3:30 That's probably why this episode hit SO HARD with all the fans.. I say GOOD ON YOU for putting those pieces together to provide us with an episode that both MOVED and INSPIRED us the fans!!! THANK YOU!!!
Orlin being based off Starman makes so much sense now and explains why I loved that episode so much. I was obsessed with the movie & tv show when I was a kid. So much so I named my dog Star!
I have met Roland Emmerich, Brad Wright, Jonathan Glassner, and Robert C. Cooper several times while doing research over the years. The idea that ascended beings built the Stargates is beyond ludicrous. We see the origin of the first stargate on-screen in the Ori galaxy, millions of years before the first Lantean ascended or even knew what ascension was. Reading that title hurt my soul.
A lot of the timelines for how and when ascension was figured out is all over the place and frequently contradictory in the franchise. Early in SG-1 they say that ascension was the Ancients' response to the plague that they were all dying from, in SG:A the Ancients were studying that energy sucking entity to learn ascension, but in the beginning of Ark of Truth the Arturans flee to the Milky Way because the Ori have already ascended and are sending the followers of Origin against them and that's millions of years before the plague or the colonization of the Pegasus galaxy.
@ No it's not!! The timeline in the lore is stated repeatedly from season 7 forward on all 3 live action shows and there are multiple whole episodes discussing this topic alone. The Camelot arc told us exactly when the Lanteans arrived in the Milky Way (2million BC). The Ark of Truth movie showed us the first depiction of the first stargate in the Ori galaxy (2.5million BC). SG1 showed us the first instances of Lantean advanced abilities with the antarctic corpsicle episode (200,000BC). SGA showed us the first research into Ascension with the episode involving the ascended instinct-energy creature. SGA also showed us the first Lantean who ascended (12,000BC). SGA/SG1/SGU all tell us that only a small portion
@ WTF are you talking about?? The Ori weren't ascended in the flashback in Ark of Truth, they were just religious zealots. They didn't learn to ascend until AFTER the Lanteans did.
@blankspace178 they couldn't have possibly learned to ascend if they were religious fanatics. Origin is a religion designed to prevent the followers from ascending and diluting the power of the ascended Ori. The Ascended Ancients also wouldn't have known to shield the Milky Way and Pegasus from the Ori if the Ori ascended later (they also would've just forcibly descended the Ori immediately because the Ori wouldn't have had the power to prevent it at that point and kicking ascended beings out doesn't violate any of the Ascended Ancients rules)
SPF is someone stargate fans started discussing in 99 when Boondcock came out as a good choice for a "young Jack". They wound up casting SPF and doing a Young Jack episode, but not at the same time :)
Personally, I disagree with the use of "punishment" as an explanation/metaphor for what these various "ascended" beings are experiencing. I intend no disrespect nor lack of appreciation; actually, I just think that the intense production schedule of the series did not allow time to properly & fully explore, process and develop these esoteric/spiritual concepts. Anyway, despite the repeated reference to punishment in the canon dialogue, a more accurate, precise, and productive/helpful understanding of ethics from an interdimensional or multiplanar perspective would be that of responsibility & accountability. Oma Desala, Orlan, and Athar are not being punished per se. While their various situations may feel/look like punishment from the more limited (and less spiritually/ethically evolved) human perspective, there is no punitive component. They are simply being held accountable for the natural consequences of their behavior. This is clearly proven/demonstrated in "Threads" when Oma Desala explains her actions as she transforms from diner waitress to identity as an Ancient-which instantly garners full attention from "the Others"-by stating that she's doing what she should have done long ago. That is, as we discover, to devote all of her power, intention & consciousness into an engagement with Anubis, to which his only possible/available response or reaction consumes the entirety of his potential ability to affect/interact with the physical plane/realm. This is the only option available to effectively prevent Anubis from using the Dakara device to destroy all life in the Milky Way galaxy, and as the individual solely responsible for (and providing the lacking components/energy/knowledge) the ascension of Anubis-albeit incomplete/partial, irreversible nonetheless-Oma Desala unknowingly put herself in the eventual position of either allowing Anubis to destroy trillions of lives and spend the remainder of eternity constantly by the role she played which ultimately gave Anubis that potential, or to spend the remainder of eternity actively devoting all of her energy & consciousness to occupy and engage Anubis, hence preventing him from plans of complete annihilation. Similar/comparable circumstances of responsibility and accountability existed for Orlan & Athar. However, the differences in their situations offer us clues to understand why Oma's "work" violates the most important rule for Ascended Beings. This also further illustrates how no-one is being punished by all of (or possibly only some part of) the other Ascended Beings.
Rodney really redeemed himself or softened a bit in Atlantis, maybe because Sheppard gave it right back to him, but he always had a thing for Sam, going as far as creating her likeness in The Game
The first go around, I hated rodney's character, but after watching Atlantis every year since then , he's come to be one of my favorite characters. I love his growth and how he went from being a hated, arrogant person to being an integral part of the team and even being loved by jennifer. I especially love the sibling rivalry with his sister.I wonder how much of that reflected them in real life.
3:30 That's probably why this episode hit SO HARD with all the fans.. I say GOOD ON YOU for putting those pieces together to provide us with an episode that both MOVED and INSPIRED us the fans!!! THANK YOU!!!
Orlin being based off Starman makes so much sense now and explains why I loved that episode so much. I was obsessed with the movie & tv show when I was a kid. So much so I named my dog Star!
9:50 I would have brought up the fact that the "attraction" the two had paid off in the ALTERNATE universe where they actually married!
I have met Roland Emmerich, Brad Wright, Jonathan Glassner, and Robert C. Cooper several times while doing research over the years. The idea that ascended beings built the Stargates is beyond ludicrous. We see the origin of the first stargate on-screen in the Ori galaxy, millions of years before the first Lantean ascended or even knew what ascension was. Reading that title hurt my soul.
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A lot of the timelines for how and when ascension was figured out is all over the place and frequently contradictory in the franchise. Early in SG-1 they say that ascension was the Ancients' response to the plague that they were all dying from, in SG:A the Ancients were studying that energy sucking entity to learn ascension, but in the beginning of Ark of Truth the Arturans flee to the Milky Way because the Ori have already ascended and are sending the followers of Origin against them and that's millions of years before the plague or the colonization of the Pegasus galaxy.
@ No it's not!! The timeline in the lore is stated repeatedly from season 7 forward on all 3 live action shows and there are multiple whole episodes discussing this topic alone. The Camelot arc told us exactly when the Lanteans arrived in the Milky Way (2million BC). The Ark of Truth movie showed us the first depiction of the first stargate in the Ori galaxy (2.5million BC). SG1 showed us the first instances of Lantean advanced abilities with the antarctic corpsicle episode (200,000BC). SGA showed us the first research into Ascension with the episode involving the ascended instinct-energy creature. SGA also showed us the first Lantean who ascended (12,000BC). SGA/SG1/SGU all tell us that only a small portion
@ WTF are you talking about?? The Ori weren't ascended in the flashback in Ark of Truth, they were just religious zealots. They didn't learn to ascend until AFTER the Lanteans did.
@blankspace178 they couldn't have possibly learned to ascend if they were religious fanatics. Origin is a religion designed to prevent the followers from ascending and diluting the power of the ascended Ori. The Ascended Ancients also wouldn't have known to shield the Milky Way and Pegasus from the Ori if the Ori ascended later (they also would've just forcibly descended the Ori immediately because the Ori wouldn't have had the power to prevent it at that point and kicking ascended beings out doesn't violate any of the Ascended Ancients rules)
That was a great interview David 👍 Brad was such a wonderful Writer 🌀
Rob Cooper was a awesome guest.
SPF is someone stargate fans started discussing in 99 when Boondcock came out as a good choice for a "young Jack". They wound up casting SPF and doing a Young Jack episode, but not at the same time :)
Did Sam ever get a new toaster?
I would hope so!
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Personally, I disagree with the use of "punishment" as an explanation/metaphor for what these various "ascended" beings are experiencing. I intend no disrespect nor lack of appreciation; actually, I just think that the intense production schedule of the series did not allow time to properly & fully explore, process and develop these esoteric/spiritual concepts.
Anyway, despite the repeated reference to punishment in the canon dialogue, a more accurate, precise, and productive/helpful understanding of ethics from an interdimensional or multiplanar perspective would be that of responsibility & accountability. Oma Desala, Orlan, and Athar are not being punished per se. While their various situations may feel/look like punishment from the more limited (and less spiritually/ethically evolved) human perspective, there is no punitive component.
They are simply being held accountable for the natural consequences of their behavior.
This is clearly proven/demonstrated in "Threads" when Oma Desala explains her actions as she transforms from diner waitress to identity as an Ancient-which instantly garners full attention from "the Others"-by stating that she's doing what she should have done long ago. That is, as we discover, to devote all of her power, intention & consciousness into an engagement with Anubis, to which his only possible/available response or reaction consumes the entirety of his potential ability to affect/interact with the physical plane/realm.
This is the only option available to effectively prevent Anubis from using the Dakara device to destroy all life in the Milky Way galaxy, and as the individual solely responsible for (and providing the lacking components/energy/knowledge) the ascension of Anubis-albeit incomplete/partial, irreversible nonetheless-Oma Desala unknowingly put herself in the eventual position of either allowing Anubis to destroy trillions of lives and spend the remainder of eternity constantly by the role she played which ultimately gave Anubis that potential, or to spend the remainder of eternity actively devoting all of her energy & consciousness to occupy and engage Anubis, hence preventing him from plans of complete annihilation.
Similar/comparable circumstances of responsibility and accountability existed for Orlan & Athar. However, the differences in their situations offer us clues to understand why Oma's "work" violates the most important rule for Ascended Beings. This also further illustrates how no-one is being punished by all of (or possibly only some part of) the other Ascended Beings.
Rodney really redeemed himself or softened a bit in Atlantis, maybe because Sheppard gave it right back to him, but he always had a thing for Sam, going as far as creating her likeness in The Game
The first go around, I hated rodney's character, but after watching Atlantis every year since then , he's come to be one of my favorite characters. I love his growth and how he went from being a hated, arrogant person to being an integral part of the team and even being loved by jennifer. I especially love the sibling rivalry with his sister.I wonder how much of that reflected them in real life.
Rodney also hallucinated Sam in "Grace Under Pressure" and named the whale-like creature after her