@@isaacarthurSFIA "I just threw my shoe through you.." "Yes you did, that's because I have ascended to a higher plane of existence." "hows that going for you?" "good"
Stargate wormholes are actually very small. The "event horizon" is actually just a matter-energy translator, like a Star Trek teleporter or, the in-univere transport rings. The energy is then sent through the wormhole, and then you are retranslated back to matter on the other side. That's why radio works both ways (already energy), but mass is only one way (matter translator only works one way by convention). It is also probably a small, pinpoint spherical wormhole, and the big blue glow has no wormhole inside it. The wormhole could be behind the top chevron. Stargate was more a practical road system than a science experiment. They probably used a flat plane rather than a sphere because it worked better with ancient focus groups.
To add to this, in Stargate, the science states that the 'wormholes' only transfer raw energy, either a One Way Analog Matter Stream or a Two Way Digital transmission. The first event horizon breaks the matter down into energy, and at the other end or if the wormhole is disconnected prematurely (episode "Red Sky") the matter is reconstituted RAW by the second event horizon. Cube in, Blob out. So the first Stargate actually records the object's pattern, much like in Star Trek Teleporters,, but instead of just a digital pattern transmission like in Star Trek, in Stargate we get both a Matter Stream and the Digital Pattern. Then the second Stargate reconstitutes the original object by applying the Digital Pattern to the Matter Stream. The Ring Teleporters work much the same, sending the Matter Stream in a mini wormhole or maybe don't need a wormhole.
I never really liked it. I found most of the writing to be of the 'lets have our cake and eat it' variety. There was this episode where SG-1 found a girl, last survivor of a Goa'uld attack, and Carter developed a strong connection to her, Cassandra I think. And she turned out to be a living bomb, meant to blow up the SGC. So Carter brought her into an abandoned mine to explode as safely as was possible to the SGC. She abandons the girl there, goes back up, but can't live with that so she goes back. maternal instincts kicking in. So she goes down to her to DELETE with her. I was completely digging that episode, expecting a major upchange. And then......, nothing happens. Act of plot makes the bomb not go boom, everybody happy. WHAT! THE! F***? Laziest writing EVER! I lost all interest in the show after that. I also found the way how easy the US government could adapt highly advanced alien tech and reverse engineer it highly unbelievable. We went from the SGC having nothing to interstellar starships in 6 years. China can't even reverse engineer a US F-16 they got from Pakistan or Russian jet engines, but we can build technology thousands of years more advanced then what we know today AND build the facilities to mass produce it in just a few years? And the less said that how the SGC ran into both the Wraith and the Ori was a carbon copy of how we ran into the Goa'uld the better. Laziest writing EVER! Granted, it's Shakespeare compared to what gets written and produced today, like Star Trek Discovery, but still. I will fully praise Stargate for having amazing characters and character interactions. Its the characters and cast chemistry that saves this show in mu opinion.
The episode where Isaac finally put up the picture of Jack O’Neil when talking about O’Neil cylinders made me chuckle at the time as I always thought of him and most of us probably did the same.
How cool would it have been if the asgard named an advanced cylinder habitat after him instead of a warship! Replicator arc could of played out similarly
You got Star Trek and Star Wars the two everyone knows but then you got the lesser known golden triangle StarGate, Farscape and Babylon 5. These show are some of the best media you will ever watch and I’m very happy to get more video on them. So keep it up Isaac with how you talk about Syfi you could make some epic video on the ideas behind these shows.
Nice to see an Isaac video dedicated to my namesake! The idea of a fully-developed gate-based sci-fi empire was very well-developed in Dan Simmons' Hyperion novels as the Hegemony of Man. There, the technology was so ubiquitous and cheap that wealthy people had gates in every door in their house, with different rooms on different planets. The second two books consider, among other things, what happens when the gate system collapses--as would be expected, civilization generally regresses.
Stan Lee "Marvel Comics" to dominate sci fi films, 1960s Eric Von Daiken Trekkie to 2001 a Space Odyssey, etc. are classified as "Shaggy God Stories" but megafauna fossils and to move ancient megaliths would exceed Cube Square Law only to have functioned aboard a spacecraft so Dr Richard Feynman diagrams describe how gamma rays deflect matter backwards in time so during an MIT engineering conference I had a bet with Dr Scott Chubb on if Feynman diagrams are real why has no one ever used a nuclear blast for a time machine TARDIS since NRC would have really Walter Pecked an inventor of how "Stargate Atlantis" stated "You and your Delorean".
Except never learning how dangerous alternate universes could be and that going there with nothing but the shirt on your back left me moaning about how stupid those people were.
@@ExtantFrodo2 if I remember right, the wormhole remote control somehow got damaged and the home button didn’t work anymore, plus they had to always catch the next wormhole or have to wait for the rerun. Not joking either.
The show brings back some good childhood memories, I loved that show, hadn’t heard anyone mention that show in forever, I’d bet it’s pretty goofy if we watched it today
Currently rewatching SG1, this time in order and methodically, the show had great continuity (for the time!) and I’m digging the steady advancement and development of humanity over the show’s 10 year run.
The show did a good job of advancing the tech so humans became larger powers and the ramifications of that. I like the geopolitical aspects of that but I didn't like that they never went public with the gate. It would change the nature of the show but that happened anyway as they started to use ships more. Might as well push past the "secret" part of the secret government program and see what fun stories they write. If they ever bring this franchise back and keep the same story lines that would be the main change I would do to keep it fresh. Make the gate public.
@@archmage_of_the_aether On the contrary: What they actually needed was for it to be a real "endless quest" [not ever getting "closer" (or "faster") to reach back home, just keep the original 30+ years "delay" fixed]. . A plot_reason in a season finale/premiere [while they were in an advanced world] could give the old characters new bodies [simulating the "regeneration" process of Doctor Who], with an entirely optional "personality merge" of third parties. -> This way the actors could retire, while the show "goes on". [This only really worked once] . The actual "new additions" & the lost/deaths of the original character members of the "party" (making permanent changes on the "status quo"), was a double edge sword that ended up killing the show by induced anemia.
There are pros and cons to many of the biggest sci-fi shows/movies, but I will say Stargate did technological development from the introduction of alien tech perfect. They went from modern day technology to intergalactic technology in one series. They did power creep very very well, A+ 👍
On a Battletech related note there is a new video game that is supposed to be coming out later this year (2024) featuring the Clan Invasion from the perspective of the Clans.
@@FQuainton Looking forward to it. Humblebundle has 120+ Battletech ebook novels on sale for $30 presently if you are interested. (shows as 71, but some are multiple books in a single 'title')
Stellaris actually has one of the best representations of the evolution of this technology. We start with the hyperspace network (Clasic FTL). Them we move on to the Hyper relays (Highway in space) Then we go to point to point teleportations with the Gateways and Quantum Catapults. (The big Stargates in space) Then we do to the jump drives. (BSG style teleportation.) And none of them really become obsolete as we grow as a Galactic Empire. If we ever discover FTL. I wonder if we'll follow that same path.
Stellaris used to be even broader, with three choices of FTL at the start - Warp Drives, which were slow but free point to point travel (my personal favourite), Hyperdrives, which worked as they do now, and Wormholes, which were basically stargates in space you could build yourself. Those got removed when the other PDX players whined enough about "space terrain". Still salty about that.
@@JRexRegis Wormholes and Warp Drives were always the neglected children, but mostly because they were harder to phase in. They needed to have some constraints to funnel expansion routes, that way they could create a somewhat predictable game curve. In addition, having choke points enables actual tactical gameplay until late game, when you can just jump your ships wherever they need to go. It is hard to manage all three as base techs, so they choose the most-used one that enabled proper borders, trade routes and transport corridors. Once again, only until late game when you build a gateway in every single system and never take more than two months to get anywhere!
@@iainballasthat was the excuse paradox used, but it never really panned out that way. The galaxy generation systems almost always undermined the choke point theory and had PDX given a bit more thought into how their own FTL worked, they could've kept the different drives and still had their choke points.
@@warlock64c Eh, at .25 hyperlanes, the minimum, it's full of choke points and clusters. Some people will never like the game no matter what changes. You happen to be among the few who disliked that change. Most embraced it. Besides, you can always roll the game back to 1.0
Note on Stargates whole "one portal per planet", that wasn't a restriction of Stargates themselves but rather how the original builders designed the addressing system. Because planets are always in motion around stars that are themselves always in motion, they couldn't use a static system of space coordinates and instead used star charts where you requested a planet and the ancients gate computer calculated the wormhole coordinates on the fly. This is also why gates couldn't be open more then a limited amount of time, as the computer would have to constantly update the coordinates as both source and destination changed non-stop. If more then one gate was active on a planet, then when the request from the origination gate came in, the gate that answered first would get the connection. Essentially try to think of each planet as having a single "IP address". Much alter in the series we find out that beings do exist that can are capable of maintaining it for longer then 38-miniutes as well as creating their own gates with their own addressing scheme.
The motion really isn't that complicated. If that's the reason for the gates limitations well the laptop I am using now could give it a major performance upgrade.
@@donaldhobson8873I mean, it really depends on how it's calculating that motion. If it's just the motions of both gates relative to each other, that's fairly easy, but if it's the motion of both gates relative to the universe or to All the gates, then it becomes a lot more complicated, as you start having to account for the motions of exponentially more gravitational bodies, stellar clusters, etc. Either way you're probably going to need to account for stuff like resonant orbits including Milankowitch cycles, tidal forces, changes in stellar mass and output, incoming emissions from supernovae and kilanovae, etc. unless you want to have the soles of your shoes/feet splice 2mm into the ground because you missed something in your calculation. And god forbid it ran behind for any reason during live calculation and suddenly half of you is at the gate and the other half is spread across half a lightsecond because the gate is using outdated coordinates... Try simulating the exact movements of every planet and moon in just the Milky Way to atomic precision for a 39 minute time window on your laptop and see how fast you can do it without overheating the entire thing. I'm curious to know how well it performs...
I love your videos, Isaac, and I just wanted to use this early opportunity to say thank you for all the hardwork. I don't always fully grasp all the concepts you talk about, but I'm always trying to research more and educate myself. Thank you.
My thought with Stargates as mass transport or transit devices, is you would use them with "trains". with the proper shape and speed you could easily move hundreds [of rail cars] thru in much less than the Max 38 min. from the show, rather than have people walking thru as was often shown.
@@brownro214 in the context of colony to Earth mass transport yes. Rails or some form of track on both sides, i realize there would be some form of gap and i do not pretend to understand the physics that might be involved with making it all work and not wreck (so i will Handwave it into Gate-Tech). I know in the show more often than not the gates on other worlds were in the middle of nowhere and on an elevated dais .. so yeah, No high speed trains there =)
@@MrBishop077presumably you'd use something along the lines of maglev to allow the tracks a small margin of error in placement, and just ensure each car is sufficiently long as to always have sufficient overlap with one or both rails, thus meaning that the gap is more or less irrelevant. Additionally, you'd probably want some form of maglev anyway to allow for higher speeds to slam more train through the gate in the available timeframe. Ideally you'd want to be basically using a mass driver to send through as much mass as possible, at which point your """rails""" are toroidal rings of magnets used to bring you up to speed and bleed off your energy depending on which side you're on, largely avoiding the issue of derailling. Admittedly, this does assume that there isn't an upper mass/second limit for the gate, and I'd not like to be there when testing if there was...
Though rarely shown in SG1, they did send send unmanned probes ahead of the teams to each planet, as some of the environments would have been hostile to humans. In at least one episode they went to a planet that had no atmosphere and another where the gate was under the sea.
It was jarring going from the relatively lighthearted adventure series of SG1 and Atlantis to the heavier character drama focus of Universe. It did grow on me and definitely got better as it went on, but I understand why it wasn't popular enough to keep going.
@@TheAmazingCowpig That and the episode where the Stargate show was being filmed "Maybe that's why they're dead?" are some BALLER lines that make you realize the Goa'uld were more about show than actual power.
@@RipleySawzen The Goa'uld did not want to give the Jaffa true weapons / power as the Goa'uld had seen rebellions in their past, and did not want to face another from a true effective fighting force with proper weapons. They instead wanted a terror squad to keep the unarmed humans in line with intimidation and fear. The limited weaponry the Jaffa were issued were up to that task, but were pretty much useless against the Goa'uld who had personal shields, and sarcophagus resurrection technology.
Very nice video. On your point regarding civilisations which rely on gates instead of starships, it reminded me of something: The german sci-fi novel series Perry Rhodan had that with the "Akonen", where they had the majority of their population inside one star system protected by a system-encompassing shield and some ouposts all over the galaxy connected to the home system and each other via a "doorway-transmitter" (the series equivalent to stargates) network.
I believe the best depiction of a Star Gate was from the original Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". In that episode the Guardian of Forever could not only take you anywhere and anytime but also totally eradicate your timeline and do so with an impressive sounding voice. I love that episode, and of course Joan Collins was amazing. One of the best episodes of any show ever.
"Why isn't it spinning? Well what do you mean; it has to spin, its round. OK listen I am the General and I want it to SPIN!" - GENERAL Hammond (Of Texas)
Stargate is initially the obvious thing that comes to mind but The Aeldari (rather Old Ones) Webway network more closely matches the contents of the video.
Love love love Stargate. SG1 is endlessly re watchable. I honestly do hold out that some race like the ancients exists/existed in our universe. Intelligent beings that essentially figured out everything to the point of ascension as near omnipresent beings of immortal energy. That would give me some comfort as a stone cold athiest lol.
Just finished watching SG-1 and SGA again, for the fourth time. To avoid the post-Stargate depression, I'll just loop back around and watch them all again. Or I could break the loop and watch SGU instead, but I'm in the middle of my backswing.
Which is bull. Ori built a SuperGate. They are Ancients, just different philosophy. Asgard should be able, just that they don't really need those with Stargates being abundant to nick them for species use...Like how humans nicked hundreds(?) of Stargates to connect Milky-way and Pegasus Galaxies.
One evening at an extended- family dinner, a friendly debate arose over which was better, Star Wars or Star Trek. My then 5 year old daughter won the debate, sweeping aside the conflict by confidently asserting "Star GATE!" was better than either.
The amount of skepticism you use for FTL and you immediatly turn off for Immortality and traversing/creating other universes (something far more difficult or, in the case of immortality, actually impossible) is truly astonishing. If you applied this same extreme skepticism and nitpicking (no offence intended) on those two fields, you would not even speak about them as science-fiction, but mere fantasy as you would for Tolkien.
The body is a tinker toy compared to the idea of moving mass beyond the speed of light safely or at all with our current technology or theoretical methods, tho I agree with the universe thing
Back when I was in university, a friend of mine took a course on General Relativity, and told me he worked out what happens on the possibly itraversible paths through the wormhole with one end that's been moved around at a large fraction of lightspeed. for some time. His conclusion is that the ends of the wormhole end up being different ages, bu the worldlines that go through it do not go into the global past.
The similar tech with portal doors between planets separated by 20 to 800 light years was earlier depicted in Hyperion book by Dan Simmons and later in space opera book series by Peter Hamilton. Of course there were no technical details of any kind. By the way, it would be interesting to know how the mouth of traversable wormhole looks like, it doesn't have horizon so it's just some place in spacetime perhaps indistinguishable from the local space neighbourhood.
30:15 I remember doing the math on this a few years ago, and assuming a 60mph train (to make the math easier, because 1 mile per minute), and a 38 minute window, you could have a 38 MILE LONG TRAIN (other factors will obviously limit this with current tech level and infrastructure priorities). I don't remember the other math I did, but I do remember coming to a figure of about 60,000 people fitting on that length of train.
the SGU gates, yeah, I can see, with tight scheduling, running large high speed trains through them, up to speed on approach, set the suckers up in a rail yard, with a track switch to sideline the train on a failed dial. you could move a yuuge amount of materials or people through
I've been working on a setting that uses Orion's Arm-esque Visser wormholes. After the big empire collapses, taking most of the wormholes with it, most systems switch to relativistic ships powered by black holes. I was trying to think of why they wouldn't try rebuilding the wormholes, then you pointed out the mass they'd have. The empire was probably sucking up brown dwarfs through pinhole wormholes to build the traversable ones.
If the Orion Empire collapse, they would establish new governments or interstellar councils will be there timely, their previous wormholes and the other types of interstellar gates would be keeping well by Tau ceti and Antares.
Just had a crazy idea from 4:50 - A wormhole that opens to the past (our own universe's past) directly into a ship's engine whereby anti-matter is pulled out of the young universe to turn into propulsion in the current universe's engine. Both creating seemingly limitless fuel, and also draining the young universe of anti-matter leading to the current situation of our own universe having a massive imbalance of matter vs antimatter.
There was an episode like that on "Star Trek: Voyager": USS Voyager in the prime timeline stumbled upon its alternate-universe version while hiding in a nebula, being the object of pursuit of the Vidiians, who wanted to harvest the organs of the Voyager crew, in both universes. Strangely, the two Voyager crews met, but only one could survive, because both had invented an energy-draining method to make their ship go faster, only that the prime Voyager got the benefit.
22:05 This reminds me of when the ancient Janus destabilised Wraith hyperspace capabilities and they simply shattered upon jumping. And then a miniature sun was created in Atlantis. Insane to sit back and watch.
Big fan of stargate here, but personally that best implementation of this kind of stable wormhole is the Hyperion cantos and their "farcasters". The concept of a farcaster home were each room is on a separate planet and each opening between the rooms is a permanently connected farcaster. They have streets and even a river running continuously through a hundred planets eventually coming back to its starting point. Just imagine taking a stroll or a boat ride through a hundred planets without any interruption or other modes of travel. Just mind boggling! Damn I need to read Hyperion again :D
I enjoyed how the Hyperion Cantos explored the farcasters and things like how the society built cities and civilizations with them as the focal point, and of course the problem this creates when their dependency on the tech becomes an existential issue. Great series
All phenomena are variations of frequency. The universe is sympathic to vibration. No need to overpower physics with brute force. Simply imitate the vibratory rate desired. The effect will follow. (You may quote me.) Your welcome little blue planet.
Another Dr. Who connection would be to the episode "Logopolis", where an alien race opens a connection to another universe. It *does* allow travel, but the purpose was to prevent the entropic death of our universe by making it into an open system (dumping entropy into the other universe?)
Just wanted to comment a little bit about the lore of Stargate, in it's relation to actual stars. I won't even try to hide the fact that there are major spoilers if you haven't yet had the chance to watch the best thing sci-fi ever gave to us. In the show franchise's mythology, the Stargate's ability to interact with stars directly is a major theme, especially in the later eras of the franchise's runtime. But we got our first taste of it in season 2, (after the multiple universes episode in season 1, which was not a result of the Stargate, but different tech altogether). Star interaction was a major plot point in SG:U, so much so that the gate's interaction with stars not only affected time, but also multiple realities. This time, though, the Stargate was responsible, and not some mirror. But SG-1 had already established in season 10 that the Stargate can be used to travel to alternate realities, and Atlantis had several devices of their own (Some even built by earthlings)! Time travel was such a major part of the shows. that they used it to end SG-1 twice. Once in the final episode, and again in the final film. The primary mechanism of time-travel, a solar flare, through which the wormhole travelled through, was such a major part of the show, that SG-1 had a special mission in season 1 to study them. I think if the SG:U did go on, they would have found a way home by dialing from inside a black hole star. They really need to bring Stargate back.
Heinlein also had a novel involving these types of portals, basically his version of Lord of the Flies, about a scout troop getting lost on an alien planet after a malfunction... cannot for the life of me remember the name of it though
Stargate and Farscape were my favorite sci-fi series. Far more than Star Trek or Star Wars. So this episode of sfia really triggered some delight in me.
6:15 1960? Am I misunderstanding something? Karl schwarzschild's solution to Einstein's Field Equations of General Relativity was in 1915, one year before his death in 1916.
One way to keep wormhole ends time synced is to have both ends move at the same speed so there is no relativistic difference between the ends. One of those "not understood mechanics" to make things work.
even with stargate limitations there are super sized gates shown. so you'd probably make the biggest gate you possibly could to connect the most important planets and have a system to move as much stuff as possible through it within the time limit. im thinking an enormous magnetically aligned and braked vertical train. on schedule flip the gates around the correct way and drop some city block sized kilometer long train through it. then you'd have other smaller gates to send and receive traffic from less important worlds, perhaps also extra gates out in orbit far enough away to not risk the one per planet restriction, maybe just free floating like the ori gate for cargo ships to pass through maybe some attached to orbital rings to safely run trains through much faster. these ways you could still do industrial scale transport between worlds not just a few hundred people every 38 minutes.
I really like the way you relate your science to preexisting sci-fi concepts, such as battle tech and SG-1, it can really create excitement for media that you may not or otherwise have no knowledge of.
To be entirely fair - if the SGC had sent a probe to their own Stargate, it would never have gotten through, and they'd have never gone to that planet. So the fact that all the gates they *do* travel to are unguarded and in the middle of nowhere is mostly a selection bias! ... Not really, it's just television writing. You can justify it, but it would have been neat if they'd discussed the idea of there being plenty of planets they DID open but that their probes got smooshed like would happen if it went thru their own iris. And there's plenty of planets that *really should have been guarded better* like System Lord homeworlds that they got thru scott free.
Ralph Kern's Sleeping Gods series did an interesting take on Stargate technology and travel. It involved a form of very interesting light lag in the story that worked very well as a plot device in many different ways. Gates used some kind of quantum entanglement to send the compressed data (people/cargo) between the gates instantly so nothing would be lost in transport (ie no one showing up on the other side missing their head), but still required part of the signal (I think it was like the decoding information for the data packets or something) to be sent via transmission limited to light speed. Objects traveling between gates would experience instant transport relative to their pov, but everyone else experiences x amount of time based on light speed relative to the distance between each terminal. Example (cause I word salad that explanation) The first jump in the book is 4 light years with the crew doing an 8 month research mission in the system on the other side of the Gate. So from Earth's pov they are gone 8 years and 8 months, but from the crews pov they are gone only 8 months. They even get into the ethics about this form of travel since it does indeed destroy you on one end and put you back together on the other end each jump, the effects this would have on humans psychologically, and possibility of evolutionary changes happening on different lines for different human colonies become larger and larger the further the gate system reaches (your advance team for scouting a new system 100 light years away with an 8 month mission would be gone 200 years and 8 months, 1000 lights years would be gone 2000 years and 8 months; making the Earth they return to that much more different while they've only aged 8 months). They even kind of learn how to use this technology plus the "c-drive" which is a drive that can reach up to 3/4 lightspeed to get messages from the future as well, but that was where the plot ended (so far).
Realistic starships tech ladder: fision->fusion->kugelblitch->lazer push. After that we would just optimize the lazer. Make it more precies and add more energy until laws of pysics are in the way Traveling at 99,99%C. I dont think we get ftl. Maby we build at birch planet with all matter in the galaxy(or local group) to put everything closer together. Making trips shorter in a different way
@@MikaelIsaksson but that aint information traveling faster then light. That just expansion. Every meter expent maby picometers. But at long enough distance that adds up. And to make it in to a bubble we need negative energy/mass. Wich we have never ever observed. Ftl is nice in sci-fi but dont expect in real live.
Notes: Centers of civilization and military fortification. Less need for ships, meant to establish gates-perhaps automatically. Telescopes and prospecting lenses. Transit or terraforming systems. Einstein-Rosen Bridge. Energy and power siphoning from other dimensions. Negative matter to hold black hole portals open. Black hole portals could destroy entire stars. Black hole transmitters would be more viable for communication rather than transport. BHTs would be more reserved for the upper class or important government messages, being able to get only a few small texts through. One meter transit only. The bigger the black hole, the larger the theoretical traveler. The closer the mouths, the more fucky-wucky space gets. Most likely spherical to some degree. Geometry gets weird. Circular is possible, theoretically. Only one-way wormholes would have an event horizon. Negative matter could stabilize black holes. Gates can be fixed through centrifical force or gravity. Garbage chutes. Network forming. ----- Anything else to add / fix?
Black holes were not even discussed until 1976. In 1968 planet of the apes and 2001 a Space Odyssey spoke of time distortion but they didn't have the term "black holes" yet. Then the astronomy book club was flooded with books about them. I had just started driving and remember reading about them. They never were mentioned in high school. Not even in Star Wars or Star Trek until the movie came out in 1980/81. Then the Disney movie came out. I took.astronomy at a college while still in high school.in '79 and even there it was a pretty novel concept. The black hole in Cygnus had been discovered a few years earlier.
What were eventually defined as black holes, were discussed in 1939, when scientists began getting closer and closer to reaching the concept. Back then, the term must have been 'singularity'.
*Stargate the Movie;* I went to see it with my nerdy sci-fi friends in the theater, & afterwards we went to a nearby Pub for pizza, cheesesteaks, & Yuengling beer (yes I was in Philly) to discuss the movie, where I said Stargate will be the next new Science Fiction TV Series. And here is why I said it; *I love in Star Trek* they added transporter so they would not need to keep taking shuttles from the ship to planets that would tie up the show's airtime. *And Stargate said SCREW IT,* no space travel of any kind we'll just wormhole from planet to planet with no need for spaceships, shuttle pods, or transporters we simply just walk. I do think it would have been smart for the creators of the show if they kept finding new technology and would drag it back & add it to their base to the point where after a couple of seasons they could do a bottle episode where they never leave the base and have enough technology to make it interesting to keep our attention glued to the screen but even at the end of the series the rooms, even medical looked like it did on day one when the pilot aired. With all the alien tech they've captured & dragged back to Earth they could have dug deeper that the mountain & hollowed it out & built a underground high tech city to study the tech brought back & worked at reverse engineering everything & an armada of fighter spaceships to protect Earth against invasion. Maybe many cities under all of the Ally countries with vacuum tube transportation lines between all of them that could get you to any other city in a few minutes around the world. All hidden from the general population of the world.
Have you seen SG-1 till the end? By around the mid point of the series they had reverse engineered space fighters like the X-301. Near the end of the series they had Prometheus-class battlecruisers that were so busted, they could solo entire fleets by themselves.
The concept of a wormhole back in time to the origin of the universe that draws power into the present would nicely explain the anisotropy of the universe, since the power would presumably not be drawn from all points in the early universe equally. Of course, if you depend on something like that as your explanation, then you've created a bootstrap paradox in the process.
I like the way Earth 2 TV series did Stargates, less special effects(save on budget) but more pragmatic in that you simply connect two doorways via scientific equipment without much fanfare of space distortion.
I have watched and loved Stargate for years and never once have I considered a tiny continuous wormhole to pump fuel as suggested at 3:01. That’s a game changer and love the potential SciFi this could represent!
There is an episode of Dr Who where transmat replaced space travel as well, until the lunar relay hub was captured by aliens disabling the system completely. The economy and 'just in time' delivery system for food etc. causing large problems for Earth, even before the aliens starting using the system to send down biological weapons. Not truly a stargate per se, but using the same instantaneous travel idea.
I recall a story in which 2 stargates that were paired had 1 in close orbit of a star and the other mounted on the back of a starship. When active the star end sent to the ship end creating unlimited thrust with another set at the other end of the ship to slow down.
I think of the "Portal" games in this context. Several of the most entertaining puzzles in the game have never been experimentally replicated (i.e., violate established physics). There are cases where one falls through portals at different elevations (with movable entry/exit points) allowing the accumulation of momentum by endlessly failing hence permitting entertaining though impossible (yet intuitive) long jumps.
You have mentioned so many stargate versions but you didn't mention the version that C.J. Cherryh envisioned in the Morgaine cycle (it's likely where Blizzard got the idea for Warcraft, including the name "Azeroth").. It has the time aspect and the story revolves around the objective to close these gates with what I can only call "some kind of weapon harnessing the power of a black hole".. Very worth reading.
I would genuinely enjoy an entire college program of arthurian futurism and theoretical physics. There's so many subtopics I love, and want to deep dive, but I wish it was possible to prioritize coursework that would help me understand and contribute to the future technology, culture and industry of mankind. Plus it would look really cool to have an Associates in futurism, grads would be like knights of the non-euclidian table
I don't think bandwidth would be a problem, we can couple the gate with quantum teleportation communication. If I remember well it allow to transmit a lot of data "instantly", but it require an information sent by a traditional way to understand the data. So it doesn't break causality on itself, but can be a tool combined with something who do
I think Kip Thorne did some research on traversable wormholes including ones without negative matter a few years ago. Related to basically one way wormholes involving a form of quantum entanglement/teleportation, just like in Stargate. The catch was person or object thus teleported cannot rematerialize be disentanged, untill information about the teleport crosses classical spacetime to preserve causality. Wormholes are doable, but only at effective slower than light speed. Only if the trip through the wormhole takes longer than light through flat spacetime. Though the trip can be subjectively instantaneous and not require vast rocket or other inertial acceleration.
Even when wormholes don't exist in a franchise, Visser's name still came up. In the Animorphs book series I'd read as a child, a Visser was one of the enemy generals, and they had around fifty of them with a pecking order. You could take another Visser's number by killing the general that held it. And the top five or so Vissers tended to be the bleeding edge of the Yeerk invasion. But there were no wormholes. Time warps, but no wormholes.
Using a wormhole to a younger universe to tap the big-bang explosion as a power source is something somebody already came up with huh? naturally before I was born. And here 10 year old me thought he was being hella clever. Though in that setting, it did come with some pretty substantial limitations. Namely only being a power option for the very largest of ships, requiring an enormous amount of energy to start up from cold and dark, and only providing energy in the form of photons and some subatomic particles. practical reaction mass was something that was a bit easier to scoop.
Remember that time Daniel Jackson died, or that other time Daniel Jackon died, or that other other time Daniel Jackson died....
No but I remember the other time Daniel Jackson died
He did die a lot in the series, though I think oneil one upped him in the episode where baal catches him while Daniel is ascended
@@isaacarthurSFIA "I just threw my shoe through you.." "Yes you did, that's because I have ascended to a higher plane of existence." "hows that going for you?" "good"
Dont forget the other time he died
It's okey, i heard he got better...
Stargate wormholes are actually very small. The "event horizon" is actually just a matter-energy translator, like a Star Trek teleporter or, the in-univere transport rings. The energy is then sent through the wormhole, and then you are retranslated back to matter on the other side. That's why radio works both ways (already energy), but mass is only one way (matter translator only works one way by convention).
It is also probably a small, pinpoint spherical wormhole, and the big blue glow has no wormhole inside it. The wormhole could be behind the top chevron.
Stargate was more a practical road system than a science experiment. They probably used a flat plane rather than a sphere because it worked better with ancient focus groups.
To add to this, in Stargate, the science states that the 'wormholes' only transfer raw energy, either a One Way Analog Matter Stream or a Two Way Digital transmission. The first event horizon breaks the matter down into energy, and at the other end or if the wormhole is disconnected prematurely (episode "Red Sky") the matter is reconstituted RAW by the second event horizon. Cube in, Blob out. So the first Stargate actually records the object's pattern, much like in Star Trek Teleporters,, but instead of just a digital pattern transmission like in Star Trek, in Stargate we get both a Matter Stream and the Digital Pattern. Then the second Stargate reconstitutes the original object by applying the Digital Pattern to the Matter Stream. The Ring Teleporters work much the same, sending the Matter Stream in a mini wormhole or maybe don't need a wormhole.
Stargate was a brilliant franchise
The time loop episode was just perfect
@@anticlaassic A classic SG1 episode for sure.
Indeed 🤨
Jack MADE that series! ^^
I never really liked it. I found most of the writing to be of the 'lets have our cake and eat it' variety. There was this episode where SG-1 found a girl, last survivor of a Goa'uld attack, and Carter developed a strong connection to her, Cassandra I think. And she turned out to be a living bomb, meant to blow up the SGC. So Carter brought her into an abandoned mine to explode as safely as was possible to the SGC. She abandons the girl there, goes back up, but can't live with that so she goes back. maternal instincts kicking in. So she goes down to her to DELETE with her. I was completely digging that episode, expecting a major upchange. And then......, nothing happens. Act of plot makes the bomb not go boom, everybody happy. WHAT! THE! F***? Laziest writing EVER! I lost all interest in the show after that. I also found the way how easy the US government could adapt highly advanced alien tech and reverse engineer it highly unbelievable. We went from the SGC having nothing to interstellar starships in 6 years. China can't even reverse engineer a US F-16 they got from Pakistan or Russian jet engines, but we can build technology thousands of years more advanced then what we know today AND build the facilities to mass produce it in just a few years? And the less said that how the SGC ran into both the Wraith and the Ori was a carbon copy of how we ran into the Goa'uld the better. Laziest writing EVER!
Granted, it's Shakespeare compared to what gets written and produced today, like Star Trek Discovery, but still.
I will fully praise Stargate for having amazing characters and character interactions. Its the characters and cast chemistry that saves this show in mu opinion.
The episode where Isaac finally put up the picture of Jack O’Neil when talking about O’Neil cylinders made me chuckle at the time as I always thought of him and most of us probably did the same.
How cool would it have been if the asgard named an advanced cylinder habitat after him instead of a warship!
Replicator arc could of played out similarly
Jack: ... With 2 "L"!!!
@@theaccountant666 being a reference to the one in the movie 4th wal joke
You got Star Trek and Star Wars the two everyone knows but then you got the lesser known golden triangle StarGate, Farscape and Babylon 5. These show are some of the best media you will ever watch and I’m very happy to get more video on them. So keep it up Isaac with how you talk about Syfi you could make some epic video on the ideas behind these shows.
And for thw weirdos among us: Lexx
@@MetalheadAndNerd😂
@@MetalheadAndNerdoh yes, I loved Lexx.
And “weird” is definitely the right description.
do you know of red dwarf...it a UK show
I had parodies since sci fi filmmaking is an obtuse committee to drive someone to go with anime.
Nice to see an Isaac video dedicated to my namesake! The idea of a fully-developed gate-based sci-fi empire was very well-developed in Dan Simmons' Hyperion novels as the Hegemony of Man. There, the technology was so ubiquitous and cheap that wealthy people had gates in every door in their house, with different rooms on different planets. The second two books consider, among other things, what happens when the gate system collapses--as would be expected, civilization generally regresses.
Stan Lee "Marvel Comics" to dominate sci fi films, 1960s Eric Von Daiken Trekkie to 2001 a Space Odyssey, etc. are classified as "Shaggy God Stories" but megafauna fossils and to move ancient megaliths would exceed Cube Square Law only to have functioned aboard a spacecraft so Dr Richard Feynman diagrams describe how gamma rays deflect matter backwards in time so during an MIT engineering conference I had a bet with Dr Scott Chubb on if Feynman diagrams are real why has no one ever used a nuclear blast for a time machine TARDIS since NRC would have really Walter Pecked an inventor of how "Stargate Atlantis" stated "You and your Delorean".
“ The Einstein Rosen bridge…”
Sliders loved this one. Very clever and fun show for it’s day.
Sliders was a good show too.
@@Kargonethmeh. First season was pretty good.
Except never learning how dangerous alternate universes could be and that going there with nothing but the shirt on your back left me moaning about how stupid those people were.
@@ExtantFrodo2 if I remember right, the wormhole remote control somehow got damaged and the home button didn’t work anymore, plus they had to always catch the next wormhole or have to wait for the rerun.
Not joking either.
The show brings back some good childhood memories, I loved that show, hadn’t heard anyone mention that show in forever, I’d bet it’s pretty goofy if we watched it today
Currently rewatching SG1, this time in order and methodically, the show had great continuity (for the time!) and I’m digging the steady advancement and development of humanity over the show’s 10 year run.
The show did a good job of advancing the tech so humans became larger powers and the ramifications of that.
I like the geopolitical aspects of that but I didn't like that they never went public with the gate. It would change the nature of the show but that happened anyway as they started to use ships more. Might as well push past the "secret" part of the secret government program and see what fun stories they write.
If they ever bring this franchise back and keep the same story lines that would be the main change I would do to keep it fresh. Make the gate public.
@@stillatwork…
“SG2: The Tourists”
Comment for Sliders. My personal fave of that era of television. Professor Gimli rocked!
Sliders was so damn good. Nothing like it has come out since.
Sliders was awesome, lol
Schrodinger's cat
Sliders shoulda been better... But it was okay. They needed a multi season plan.
@@archmage_of_the_aether On the contrary: What they actually needed was for it to be a real "endless quest" [not ever getting "closer" (or "faster") to reach back home, just keep the original 30+ years "delay" fixed].
. A plot_reason in a season finale/premiere [while they were in an advanced world] could give the old characters new bodies [simulating the "regeneration" process of Doctor Who], with an entirely optional "personality merge" of third parties.
-> This way the actors could retire, while the show "goes on". [This only really worked once]
. The actual "new additions" & the lost/deaths of the original character members of the "party" (making permanent changes on the "status quo"), was a double edge sword that ended up killing the show by induced anemia.
There are pros and cons to many of the biggest sci-fi shows/movies, but I will say Stargate did technological development from the introduction of alien tech perfect. They went from modern day technology to intergalactic technology in one series. They did power creep very very well, A+ 👍
Im so happy issac arthur is familiar with the battletech lore, im a big fan of that universe and i believe it deserves a wider audience.
On a Battletech related note there is a new video game that is supposed to be coming out later this year (2024) featuring the Clan Invasion from the perspective of the Clans.
@@FQuainton Looking forward to it.
Humblebundle has 120+ Battletech ebook novels on sale for $30 presently if you are interested. (shows as 71, but some are multiple books in a single 'title')
@@FQuainton me and my star are definitely excited for it!
Quite happy with the size of the current audience. I don't want to see it ruined by tourists like other franchises. 😂
Stellaris actually has one of the best representations of the evolution of this technology. We start with the hyperspace network (Clasic FTL).
Them we move on to the Hyper relays (Highway in space)
Then we go to point to point teleportations with the Gateways and Quantum Catapults. (The big Stargates in space)
Then we do to the jump drives. (BSG style teleportation.)
And none of them really become obsolete as we grow as a Galactic Empire.
If we ever discover FTL. I wonder if we'll follow that same path.
Stellaris used to be even broader, with three choices of FTL at the start - Warp Drives, which were slow but free point to point travel (my personal favourite), Hyperdrives, which worked as they do now, and Wormholes, which were basically stargates in space you could build yourself. Those got removed when the other PDX players whined enough about "space terrain". Still salty about that.
@@JRexRegis yep. i loved wormholes and warps. but hyperlanes arer just slow and booring
@@JRexRegis Wormholes and Warp Drives were always the neglected children, but mostly because they were harder to phase in. They needed to have some constraints to funnel expansion routes, that way they could create a somewhat predictable game curve. In addition, having choke points enables actual tactical gameplay until late game, when you can just jump your ships wherever they need to go. It is hard to manage all three as base techs, so they choose the most-used one that enabled proper borders, trade routes and transport corridors. Once again, only until late game when you build a gateway in every single system and never take more than two months to get anywhere!
@@iainballasthat was the excuse paradox used, but it never really panned out that way. The galaxy generation systems almost always undermined the choke point theory and had PDX given a bit more thought into how their own FTL worked, they could've kept the different drives and still had their choke points.
@@warlock64c Eh, at .25 hyperlanes, the minimum, it's full of choke points and clusters. Some people will never like the game no matter what changes. You happen to be among the few who disliked that change. Most embraced it. Besides, you can always roll the game back to 1.0
Note on Stargates whole "one portal per planet", that wasn't a restriction of Stargates themselves but rather how the original builders designed the addressing system. Because planets are always in motion around stars that are themselves always in motion, they couldn't use a static system of space coordinates and instead used star charts where you requested a planet and the ancients gate computer calculated the wormhole coordinates on the fly. This is also why gates couldn't be open more then a limited amount of time, as the computer would have to constantly update the coordinates as both source and destination changed non-stop.
If more then one gate was active on a planet, then when the request from the origination gate came in, the gate that answered first would get the connection. Essentially try to think of each planet as having a single "IP address". Much alter in the series we find out that beings do exist that can are capable of maintaining it for longer then 38-miniutes as well as creating their own gates with their own addressing scheme.
The motion really isn't that complicated. If that's the reason for the gates limitations well the laptop I am using now could give it a major performance upgrade.
@@donaldhobson8873I mean, it really depends on how it's calculating that motion. If it's just the motions of both gates relative to each other, that's fairly easy, but if it's the motion of both gates relative to the universe or to All the gates, then it becomes a lot more complicated, as you start having to account for the motions of exponentially more gravitational bodies, stellar clusters, etc.
Either way you're probably going to need to account for stuff like resonant orbits including Milankowitch cycles, tidal forces, changes in stellar mass and output, incoming emissions from supernovae and kilanovae, etc. unless you want to have the soles of your shoes/feet splice 2mm into the ground because you missed something in your calculation. And god forbid it ran behind for any reason during live calculation and suddenly half of you is at the gate and the other half is spread across half a lightsecond because the gate is using outdated coordinates...
Try simulating the exact movements of every planet and moon in just the Milky Way to atomic precision for a 39 minute time window on your laptop and see how fast you can do it without overheating the entire thing. I'm curious to know how well it performs...
I love your videos, Isaac, and I just wanted to use this early opportunity to say thank you for all the hardwork. I don't always fully grasp all the concepts you talk about, but I'm always trying to research more and educate myself. Thank you.
You're very welcome, thanks for watching ;)
My thought with Stargates as mass transport or transit devices, is you would use them with "trains". with the proper shape and speed you could easily move hundreds [of rail cars] thru in much less than the Max 38 min. from the show, rather than have people walking thru as was often shown.
Tracks on the other end?
@@brownro214 in the context of colony to Earth mass transport yes. Rails or some form of track on both sides, i realize there would be some form of gap and i do not pretend to understand the physics that might be involved with making it all work and not wreck (so i will Handwave it into Gate-Tech).
I know in the show more often than not the gates on other worlds were in the middle of nowhere and on an elevated dais .. so yeah, No high speed trains there =)
@@MrBishop077presumably you'd use something along the lines of maglev to allow the tracks a small margin of error in placement, and just ensure each car is sufficiently long as to always have sufficient overlap with one or both rails, thus meaning that the gap is more or less irrelevant. Additionally, you'd probably want some form of maglev anyway to allow for higher speeds to slam more train through the gate in the available timeframe. Ideally you'd want to be basically using a mass driver to send through as much mass as possible, at which point your """rails""" are toroidal rings of magnets used to bring you up to speed and bleed off your energy depending on which side you're on, largely avoiding the issue of derailling.
Admittedly, this does assume that there isn't an upper mass/second limit for the gate, and I'd not like to be there when testing if there was...
Yes Stargate video!
Yes! also deep space 9 video😉
Though rarely shown in SG1, they did send send unmanned probes ahead of the teams to each planet, as some of the environments would have been hostile to humans.
In at least one episode they went to a planet that had no atmosphere and another where the gate was under the sea.
SGU had such amazing promise, I was so disappointed when it got cancelled. The concept was absolutely amazing!
Yesssss,
The first 10 episodes were not that great but it really developed fast into something great after that.
@@shaddapforever I really hate it that we will never know what the fate of Eli was...
It was jarring going from the relatively lighthearted adventure series of SG1 and Atlantis to the heavier character drama focus of Universe. It did grow on me and definitely got better as it went on, but I understand why it wasn't popular enough to keep going.
P90 was the star of the show
Yes. Just... yes.
"This... is a weapon of war..."
@@TheAmazingCowpig That and the episode where the Stargate show was being filmed "Maybe that's why they're dead?" are some BALLER lines that make you realize the Goa'uld were more about show than actual power.
@@RipleySawzen The Goa'uld did not want to give the Jaffa true weapons / power as the Goa'uld had seen rebellions in their past, and did not want to face another from a true effective fighting force with proper weapons.
They instead wanted a terror squad to keep the unarmed humans in line with intimidation and fear. The limited weaponry the Jaffa were issued were up to that task, but were pretty much useless against the Goa'uld who had personal shields, and sarcophagus resurrection technology.
I love the completely unrealistic scene where Carter cuts a 4ft diameter hanging log in half with one P90 clip
Very nice video.
On your point regarding civilisations which rely on gates instead of starships, it reminded me of something:
The german sci-fi novel series Perry Rhodan had that with the "Akonen", where they had the majority of their population inside one star system protected by a system-encompassing shield and some ouposts all over the galaxy connected to the home system and each other via a "doorway-transmitter" (the series equivalent to stargates) network.
The descendants of first Humanity with the arrogance of 50,000 years of unbroken civilization behind them...
Heinlein called it a Tunnel in the Sky.
I believe the best depiction of a Star Gate was from the original Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". In that episode the Guardian of Forever could not only take you anywhere and anytime but also totally eradicate your timeline and do so with an impressive sounding voice. I love that episode, and of course Joan Collins was amazing. One of the best episodes of any show ever.
"Why isn't it spinning? Well what do you mean; it has to spin, its round. OK listen I am the General and I want it to SPIN!"
- GENERAL Hammond (Of Texas)
Spinning is so much cooler than not spinning.
Puppet General Hammond (waves above head) ...of Texas
Make it go.
Stargate is initially the obvious thing that comes to mind but The Aeldari (rather Old Ones) Webway network more closely matches the contents of the video.
Daniel Jackson became more and more badass with the seasons 👍
Love love love Stargate. SG1 is endlessly re watchable. I honestly do hold out that some race like the ancients exists/existed in our universe. Intelligent beings that essentially figured out everything to the point of ascension as near omnipresent beings of immortal energy. That would give me some comfort as a stone cold athiest lol.
Grape idea, going to watch SG1
Very true. Stargate has a lot of potential to answer our questions about the universe. I'm going to watch Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate is a underrated franchise
Its definitely not underrated. Everyone who's watched it absolutely loves it. SG-1 has 89% on Rotten Tomatoes
Ya I don't know anyone that doesn't know it exists and knows it was good even if it wasn't their thing.
Just finished watching SG-1 and SGA again, for the fourth time. To avoid the post-Stargate depression, I'll just loop back around and watch them all again. Or I could break the loop and watch SGU instead, but I'm in the middle of my backswing.
In the SG series, one problem is factions in the current moment in time could not make new ones... Relying on ancient alien technology is tricky.
Which is bull. Ori built a SuperGate. They are Ancients, just different philosophy.
Asgard should be able, just that they don't really need those with Stargates being abundant to nick them for species use...Like how humans nicked hundreds(?) of Stargates to connect Milky-way and Pegasus Galaxies.
One evening at an extended- family dinner, a friendly debate arose over which was better, Star Wars or Star Trek. My then 5 year old daughter won the debate, sweeping aside the conflict by confidently asserting "Star GATE!" was better than either.
She is a tiny Samantha Carter!
Babylon 5 also
😂 I can genuinely believe that. I was a huge fan of Farscape, Andromeda, Stargate, etc by the time I was like 8😂 I'm 30 now
I already have the Stargate SG-1 theme going
The amount of skepticism you use for FTL and you immediatly turn off for Immortality and traversing/creating other universes (something far more difficult or, in the case of immortality, actually impossible) is truly astonishing.
If you applied this same extreme skepticism and nitpicking (no offence intended) on those two fields, you would not even speak about them as science-fiction, but mere fantasy as you would for Tolkien.
The body is a tinker toy compared to the idea of moving mass beyond the speed of light safely or at all with our current technology or theoretical methods, tho I agree with the universe thing
Back when I was in university, a friend of mine took a course on General Relativity, and told me he worked out what happens on the possibly itraversible paths through the wormhole with one end that's been moved around at a large fraction of lightspeed. for some time. His conclusion is that the ends of the wormhole end up being different ages, bu the worldlines that go through it do not go into the global past.
The similar tech with portal doors between planets separated by 20 to 800 light years was earlier depicted in Hyperion book by Dan Simmons and later in space opera book series by Peter Hamilton. Of course there were no technical details of any kind. By the way, it would be interesting to know how the mouth of traversable wormhole looks like, it doesn't have horizon so it's just some place in spacetime perhaps indistinguishable from the local space neighbourhood.
I was stuck on something in my story and you just helped me out. Tyvm! 😊
30:15 I remember doing the math on this a few years ago, and assuming a 60mph train (to make the math easier, because 1 mile per minute), and a 38 minute window, you could have a 38 MILE LONG TRAIN (other factors will obviously limit this with current tech level and infrastructure priorities). I don't remember the other math I did, but I do remember coming to a figure of about 60,000 people fitting on that length of train.
the SGU gates, yeah, I can see, with tight scheduling, running large high speed trains through them, up to speed on approach, set the suckers up in a rail yard, with a track switch to sideline the train on a failed dial. you could move a yuuge amount of materials or people through
I've been working on a setting that uses Orion's Arm-esque Visser wormholes. After the big empire collapses, taking most of the wormholes with it, most systems switch to relativistic ships powered by black holes. I was trying to think of why they wouldn't try rebuilding the wormholes, then you pointed out the mass they'd have.
The empire was probably sucking up brown dwarfs through pinhole wormholes to build the traversable ones.
If the Orion Empire collapse, they would establish new governments or interstellar councils will be there timely, their previous wormholes and the other types of interstellar gates would be keeping well by Tau ceti and Antares.
"Schwarzschild" = "Scharz - Schild", or in english "black shild" (which is actually really fitting), there is no child in it :)
*Schwarz-Schild *black shield
As the great Yogurt said:
May The Swartz be with you!
may the shwartz not be with you
lol
Just had a crazy idea from 4:50 - A wormhole that opens to the past (our own universe's past) directly into a ship's engine whereby anti-matter is pulled out of the young universe to turn into propulsion in the current universe's engine. Both creating seemingly limitless fuel, and also draining the young universe of anti-matter leading to the current situation of our own universe having a massive imbalance of matter vs antimatter.
There was an episode like that on "Star Trek: Voyager":
USS Voyager in the prime timeline stumbled upon its alternate-universe version while hiding in a nebula, being the object of pursuit of the Vidiians, who wanted to harvest the organs of the Voyager crew, in both universes.
Strangely, the two Voyager crews met, but only one could survive, because both had invented an energy-draining method to make their ship go faster, only that the prime Voyager got the benefit.
22:05 This reminds me of when the ancient Janus destabilised Wraith hyperspace capabilities and they simply shattered upon jumping.
And then a miniature sun was created in Atlantis. Insane to sit back and watch.
Big fan of stargate here, but personally that best implementation of this kind of stable wormhole is the Hyperion cantos and their "farcasters". The concept of a farcaster home were each room is on a separate planet and each opening between the rooms is a permanently connected farcaster. They have streets and even a river running continuously through a hundred planets eventually coming back to its starting point. Just imagine taking a stroll or a boat ride through a hundred planets without any interruption or other modes of travel. Just mind boggling! Damn I need to read Hyperion again :D
I enjoyed how the Hyperion Cantos explored the farcasters and things like how the society built cities and civilizations with them as the focal point, and of course the problem this creates when their dependency on the tech becomes an existential issue. Great series
Phenomenal series so rare to see someone talking about it. I'd say I'm about due for a re-read.
Still hoping stargate universe restarts - season 2 was the GOAT and they left it open
All phenomena are variations of frequency. The universe is sympathic to vibration. No need to overpower physics with brute force. Simply imitate the vibratory rate desired. The effect will follow. (You may quote me.) Your welcome little blue planet.
Another Dr. Who connection would be to the episode "Logopolis", where an alien race opens a connection to another universe. It *does* allow travel, but the purpose was to prevent the entropic death of our universe by making it into an open system (dumping entropy into the other universe?)
Just wanted to comment a little bit about the lore of Stargate, in it's relation to actual stars. I won't even try to hide the fact that there are major spoilers if you haven't yet had the chance to watch the best thing sci-fi ever gave to us.
In the show franchise's mythology, the Stargate's ability to interact with stars directly is a major theme, especially in the later eras of the franchise's runtime. But we got our first taste of it in season 2, (after the multiple universes episode in season 1, which was not a result of the Stargate, but different tech altogether).
Star interaction was a major plot point in SG:U, so much so that the gate's interaction with stars not only affected time, but also multiple realities. This time, though, the Stargate was responsible, and not some mirror. But SG-1 had already established in season 10 that the Stargate can be used to travel to alternate realities, and Atlantis had several devices of their own (Some even built by earthlings)!
Time travel was such a major part of the shows. that they used it to end SG-1 twice. Once in the final episode, and again in the final film.
The primary mechanism of time-travel, a solar flare, through which the wormhole travelled through, was such a major part of the show, that SG-1 had a special mission in season 1 to study them.
I think if the SG:U did go on, they would have found a way home by dialing from inside a black hole star.
They really need to bring Stargate back.
Heinlein also had a novel involving these types of portals, basically his version of Lord of the Flies, about a scout troop getting lost on an alien planet after a malfunction... cannot for the life of me remember the name of it though
Tunnel in the sky.
@@davebathgate that's the one! Thanks!
@@jasonGamesMaster no problem
sgu was a great tv show actually...its too bad it was cancelled it had so much more potential and was better than i remembered when i watched it again
Ooo never been this early for an IA video before
What are you talking about
I thought you said AI at first read 😂
Same
That will undoubtedly increase your quality of life by a factor of 100
I literally just finished my first watch of SG-1, absolutely stellar timing.
While watching this episode, the various Star Gate theme musics were playing in my head.
Nice.
Oh, great episode too!
Stargate and Farscape were my favorite sci-fi series. Far more than Star Trek or Star Wars. So this episode of sfia really triggered some delight in me.
6:15 1960? Am I misunderstanding something? Karl schwarzschild's solution to
Einstein's Field Equations of General Relativity was in 1915, one year before his death in 1916.
We could use portals to move gases from Venus to Mars.
One way to keep wormhole ends time synced is to have both ends move at the same speed so there is no relativistic difference between the ends. One of those "not understood mechanics" to make things work.
even with stargate limitations there are super sized gates shown. so you'd probably make the biggest gate you possibly could to connect the most important planets and have a system to move as much stuff as possible through it within the time limit. im thinking an enormous magnetically aligned and braked vertical train. on schedule flip the gates around the correct way and drop some city block sized kilometer long train through it. then you'd have other smaller gates to send and receive traffic from less important worlds, perhaps also extra gates out in orbit far enough away to not risk the one per planet restriction, maybe just free floating like the ori gate for cargo ships to pass through maybe some attached to orbital rings to safely run trains through much faster.
these ways you could still do industrial scale transport between worlds not just a few hundred people every 38 minutes.
I really like the way you relate your science to preexisting sci-fi concepts, such as battle tech and SG-1, it can really create excitement for media that you may not or otherwise have no knowledge of.
I thought wth is STÅRGÅTES when I saw the thumbnail. 😂 The letter Å/å is used a lot in Danish and is quite distinct to the letter A/a.
We call å ”swedish o”, it indeed is quite a different letter from A.
my husband saw the thumbnail and was like stårgåtes??
Store Goats obviously :)
To be entirely fair - if the SGC had sent a probe to their own Stargate, it would never have gotten through, and they'd have never gone to that planet. So the fact that all the gates they *do* travel to are unguarded and in the middle of nowhere is mostly a selection bias!
... Not really, it's just television writing. You can justify it, but it would have been neat if they'd discussed the idea of there being plenty of planets they DID open but that their probes got smooshed like would happen if it went thru their own iris. And there's plenty of planets that *really should have been guarded better* like System Lord homeworlds that they got thru scott free.
Ralph Kern's Sleeping Gods series did an interesting take on Stargate technology and travel. It involved a form of very interesting light lag in the story that worked very well as a plot device in many different ways. Gates used some kind of quantum entanglement to send the compressed data (people/cargo) between the gates instantly so nothing would be lost in transport (ie no one showing up on the other side missing their head), but still required part of the signal (I think it was like the decoding information for the data packets or something) to be sent via transmission limited to light speed. Objects traveling between gates would experience instant transport relative to their pov, but everyone else experiences x amount of time based on light speed relative to the distance between each terminal. Example (cause I word salad that explanation) The first jump in the book is 4 light years with the crew doing an 8 month research mission in the system on the other side of the Gate. So from Earth's pov they are gone 8 years and 8 months, but from the crews pov they are gone only 8 months. They even get into the ethics about this form of travel since it does indeed destroy you on one end and put you back together on the other end each jump, the effects this would have on humans psychologically, and possibility of evolutionary changes happening on different lines for different human colonies become larger and larger the further the gate system reaches (your advance team for scouting a new system 100 light years away with an 8 month mission would be gone 200 years and 8 months, 1000 lights years would be gone 2000 years and 8 months; making the Earth they return to that much more different while they've only aged 8 months). They even kind of learn how to use this technology plus the "c-drive" which is a drive that can reach up to 3/4 lightspeed to get messages from the future as well, but that was where the plot ended (so far).
I genuinely think the Stargate franchise was a way to soft disclose what's going on behind the scenes
Going to save this as one of my favorites for re-watching
Realistic starships tech ladder: fision->fusion->kugelblitch->lazer push.
After that we would just optimize the lazer. Make it more precies and add more energy until laws of pysics are in the way
Traveling at 99,99%C.
I dont think we get ftl.
Maby we build at birch planet with all matter in the galaxy(or local group) to put everything closer together. Making trips shorter in a different way
Space itself already can "travel" faster than the speed of light by expanding, so it's at least possible.
@@MikaelIsaksson but that aint information traveling faster then light. That just expansion. Every meter expent maby picometers. But at long enough distance that adds up.
And to make it in to a bubble we need negative energy/mass. Wich we have never ever observed.
Ftl is nice in sci-fi but dont expect in real live.
Though a candle burns in my house, there is nobody home.
Care to explain the reference for newbs?
If you immediately know that the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked long ago.
Garth, that’s a haiku.
@@dfgdfg_ If you binge the first 100 episodes of SG1 you find out in a month or so.
Don't do that, it's a fire hazard! 🤯
Notes:
Centers of civilization and military fortification.
Less need for ships, meant to establish gates-perhaps automatically.
Telescopes and prospecting lenses.
Transit or terraforming systems.
Einstein-Rosen Bridge.
Energy and power siphoning from other dimensions.
Negative matter to hold black hole portals open.
Black hole portals could destroy entire stars.
Black hole transmitters would be more viable for communication rather than transport.
BHTs would be more reserved for the upper class or important government messages, being able to get only a few small texts through.
One meter transit only. The bigger the black hole, the larger the theoretical traveler.
The closer the mouths, the more fucky-wucky space gets.
Most likely spherical to some degree.
Geometry gets weird.
Circular is possible, theoretically.
Only one-way wormholes would have an event horizon.
Negative matter could stabilize black holes.
Gates can be fixed through centrifical force or gravity.
Garbage chutes.
Network forming.
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Anything else to add / fix?
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Black holes were not even discussed until 1976. In 1968 planet of the apes and 2001 a Space Odyssey spoke of time distortion but they didn't have the term "black holes" yet. Then the astronomy book club was flooded with books about them. I had just started driving and remember reading about them. They never were mentioned in high school. Not even in Star Wars or Star Trek until the movie came out in 1980/81. Then the Disney movie came out. I took.astronomy at a college while still in high school.in '79 and even there it was a pretty novel concept. The black hole in Cygnus had been discovered a few years earlier.
What were eventually defined as black holes, were discussed in 1939, when scientists began getting closer and closer to reaching the concept. Back then, the term must have been 'singularity'.
*Stargate the Movie;* I went to see it with my nerdy sci-fi friends in the theater, & afterwards we went to a nearby Pub for pizza, cheesesteaks, & Yuengling beer (yes I was in Philly) to discuss the movie, where I said Stargate will be the next new Science Fiction TV Series.
And here is why I said it; *I love in Star Trek* they added transporter so they would not need to keep taking shuttles from the ship to planets that would tie up the show's airtime. *And Stargate said SCREW IT,* no space travel of any kind we'll just wormhole from planet to planet with no need for spaceships, shuttle pods, or transporters we simply just walk.
I do think it would have been smart for the creators of the show if they kept finding new technology and would drag it back & add it to their base to the point where after a couple of seasons they could do a bottle episode where they never leave the base and have enough technology to make it interesting to keep our attention glued to the screen but even at the end of the series the rooms, even medical looked like it did on day one when the pilot aired.
With all the alien tech they've captured & dragged back to Earth they could have dug deeper that the mountain & hollowed it out & built a underground high tech city to study the tech brought back & worked at reverse engineering everything & an armada of fighter spaceships to protect Earth against invasion. Maybe many cities under all of the Ally countries with vacuum tube transportation lines between all of them that could get you to any other city in a few minutes around the world. All hidden from the general population of the world.
Have you seen SG-1 till the end? By around the mid point of the series they had reverse engineered space fighters like the X-301. Near the end of the series they had Prometheus-class battlecruisers that were so busted, they could solo entire fleets by themselves.
FINALLY!!! THANK YOU!!! I loved Stargate as a concept! And SG1 was good, though I actually enjoyed Universe the most.
So.... Store Goats. Because that's what the title is pronounced like with the letter Å there instead of A. Will we be seeing chaos on isle 5?
The concept of a wormhole back in time to the origin of the universe that draws power into the present would nicely explain the anisotropy of the universe, since the power would presumably not be drawn from all points in the early universe equally. Of course, if you depend on something like that as your explanation, then you've created a bootstrap paradox in the process.
The Commonwealth Saga had, in my opinion, the best depiction of a non gate-based interstellar wormhole society in sci-fi beyond actual Stargate.
I liked this video before I even finished watching the first minute of the video :-)
I like that it looks like You used the letter å in Stårgåtes
Stargate universe & Atlantis was my childhood ❤❤❤
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I like the way Earth 2 TV series did Stargates, less special effects(save on budget)
but more pragmatic in that you simply connect two doorways via scientific equipment without much fanfare of space distortion.
I remember Earth 2, some good ideas there though it wasn't really well executed imho
I like the way that David Weber implemented wormholes / gates in the Honor Harrington universe.
And then he fooked it up with nonsensical farce...
Nice call out on the 'big reveal' of the ancients in Stargate
The first explicitly named stargate I came across was on the '70's TV show BUCK rOGERS IN THE 25th CENTURY
My dad a NASA engineer whose professor was Oppenheimer liked Buck Rogers.
Thank you for the birthday present, Isaac!
This was just what I needed
I have watched and loved Stargate for years and never once have I considered a tiny continuous wormhole to pump fuel as suggested at 3:01. That’s a game changer and love the potential SciFi this could represent!
Love it man. Keep it up. Looking forward to lunar lava tunnels.
Unless… Keeping the portal open long-term is harmful due to unknown physics this would inevitably require...
That was a very cool one.
I especially like the thought experiment behind how it would lead to a tiered network
Stargates could be link to railroads like in the amine Galaxy Express 999.
rev space mentioned! My favourite scifi franchise ever. Thanks for giving it some well deserved exposure.
I love stargate franchise, i love whole idea of instant interstellar (later intergalaxy) travel, thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I would see this episode on my feed just before having to head into work lol. Man I can't wait to watch this one, I LOVE Stargate.
I'm reminded of the audiobook "will save the galaxy for food" where space travel becomes redundant due to teleporters.
That sounds fun.
There is an episode of Dr Who where transmat replaced space travel as well, until the lunar relay hub was captured by aliens disabling the system completely. The economy and 'just in time' delivery system for food etc. causing large problems for Earth, even before the aliens starting using the system to send down biological weapons.
Not truly a stargate per se, but using the same instantaneous travel idea.
yahtzee croshaw reference under a stargate video? i can only assume this was made specifically for me
That's what happens in the later books of the Foundation series.
I recall a story in which 2 stargates that were paired had 1 in close orbit of a star and the other mounted on the back of a starship. When active the star end sent to the ship end creating unlimited thrust with another set at the other end of the ship to slow down.
I think of the "Portal" games in this context. Several of the most entertaining puzzles in the game have never been experimentally replicated (i.e., violate established physics). There are cases where one falls through portals at different elevations (with movable entry/exit points) allowing the accumulation of momentum by endlessly failing hence permitting entertaining though impossible (yet intuitive) long jumps.
the logo hurts my eyes every time. The A with ring on top is an 'O' in scandinavia
You have mentioned so many stargate versions but you didn't mention the version that C.J. Cherryh envisioned in the Morgaine cycle (it's likely where Blizzard got the idea for Warcraft, including the name "Azeroth").. It has the time aspect and the story revolves around the objective to close these gates with what I can only call "some kind of weapon harnessing the power of a black hole".. Very worth reading.
I would genuinely enjoy an entire college program of arthurian futurism and theoretical physics.
There's so many subtopics I love, and want to deep dive, but I wish it was possible to prioritize coursework that would help me understand and contribute to the future technology, culture and industry of mankind.
Plus it would look really cool to have an Associates in futurism, grads would be like knights of the non-euclidian table
You mean to the starfleets academy or some interstellar college on the Mars? lol...
I don't think bandwidth would be a problem, we can couple the gate with quantum teleportation communication. If I remember well it allow to transmit a lot of data "instantly", but it require an information sent by a traditional way to understand the data. So it doesn't break causality on itself, but can be a tool combined with something who do
Bro I’m watching sg1 right now, I’m on like season 5-6
Best sci-fi show ever, Star Trek is my close second
I think Kip Thorne did some research on traversable wormholes including ones without negative matter a few years ago. Related to basically one way wormholes involving a form of quantum entanglement/teleportation, just like in Stargate.
The catch was person or object thus teleported cannot rematerialize be disentanged, untill information about the teleport crosses classical spacetime to preserve causality.
Wormholes are doable, but only at effective slower than light speed. Only if the trip through the wormhole takes longer than light through flat spacetime. Though the trip can be subjectively instantaneous and not require vast rocket or other inertial acceleration.
Even when wormholes don't exist in a franchise, Visser's name still came up. In the Animorphs book series I'd read as a child, a Visser was one of the enemy generals, and they had around fifty of them with a pecking order. You could take another Visser's number by killing the general that held it. And the top five or so Vissers tended to be the bleeding edge of the Yeerk invasion. But there were no wormholes. Time warps, but no wormholes.
Battletech was an awesome franchise.
The best thing about Stargåte is that "gåte" is a Scandinavian word that means "riddle". And the word works when read either way.
Using a wormhole to a younger universe to tap the big-bang explosion as a power source is something somebody already came up with huh? naturally before I was born.
And here 10 year old me thought he was being hella clever. Though in that setting, it did come with some pretty substantial limitations. Namely only being a power option for the very largest of ships, requiring an enormous amount of energy to start up from cold and dark, and only providing energy in the form of photons and some subatomic particles. practical reaction mass was something that was a bit easier to scoop.