Piandou is slept on HAAAARD. Remember why he was allowed to live in the fire nation, despite his loyalties lying elsewhere? That’s right! Because the fire nation literally could not beat him. They sent soldier after soldier up that hill to take him out, and not one could do the job. Piandou is the melee GOAT
@@danwarner7816 Anyone could tell he was lying probably, his voice was shakey and he stuttered when Pinadao pointed out his name was unusual for the fire nation.
Nah. Paku would have lost one way or another. Ming Hua's offensive tactics are just too creative - things I never imagined (my opinion). Though Paku would still put up a good fight.
The entire red lotus had to jump tenzin to finally beat him, so how well do you think they’ll fair against 5 FIVE war vets💀 Edit: oh my days I started a war
@@man_without_nameassuming speed equalization, Iroh and Bumi would slam Tenzin. No speed equalization all of the white lotus members would blitz Tenzin beside Piandao
Tenzin whiped the floor with Zaheer, and he held his ground for A FEW seconds against the Red Lotus. I guess you just couldn't see what the point was with that fight... 1to show he didn't wanna surrender2 he's a real leader to the air Nation..not that he can take on two members of the red Lotus. Plus air's the strongest element and no one has any experience against it.
Jeong Jeong VS. P'li will be a tough match Jeong Jeong's fire walls can resist powerful fire blasts. His fire wall during the Sozin's comet was able to resist 2-4 fire blasts (which are all powered by Sozin's comet) and he was able to control that wall into charging against a lot of fire nation battle tanks. Jeong Jeong's main ability is turning a good defense into an unstoppable offense. Note that there's a bit of a difference between his fireball on the river and the one from Sozin's comet. On the river, he focused on blocking Zhao's fleet, so he had to make it a bit thinner but wider. On comet, it is much more thicker but only covered small width. Jeong Jeong can manipulate his firewall into how he wants it, using the arguement that it was because of Sozin's comet that he was able to firebend like that is not even a match up. Sozin's comet will only boost a firebender's power, but not manipulation and intelligence, a thing that Jeong Jeong can do without the comet. Meaning he's most likely able to manipulate his wide firewall into a much more thicker but less wide fireball with the only difference is a bit of a loss on power. P'li's (wow a lot of apostrophes) combustion bending proves that she's an immovable offensive battle freak. Her offense is just pure power. But her main weakness is her vulnerability when it comes to defending her battleground. She can produce a bunch of fireblasts on a mere second but she was ultimately beaten up by her own defensive flaw as seen as she can't defend herself much. Jeonh Jeong's defense vs P'li's offense - Likely Jeong Jeong because if he just controls his wide firewall into a thicket but less wider firewall, he can win. P'li's attack speed would be a thing tho', but Jeong Jeong's restraint and even a waterbender-like firebender essence helps him to take control over his area of battle. Jeong Jeong can make up a lot of firewalls coming on P'li's way and control the battlefield like a chess board. Yes, P'li might be able to dodge that firewall, but Jeong Jeong can actually fly (He was poweted by comet that time, but comet only boosts what is already there, like if you have a lightning, it will only boost it, but if you don't, there's nothing to boost) making sure that Jeong Jeong can actively summon fire on all directions to go against P'li. Another point, Jeong Jeong can summon fire even if it's not coming from his own body (he's the only one who can do that), giving him an even more advantage into controling the battle field. The difference between them is their intelligence, Jeong Jeong just stretches wider while P'li is limited on combustion bending alone (She can still firebend tho') while JJ mastered firebending and even used a water-bender style into producing his flames. It's a very tough fight, but Jeong Jeong's intelligence will get P'li for sure.
Yes, Sozin's comet increases the power of the fire mage. and it was because of this that he was able to make a powerful wall of fire during the comet. He can't do that in normal situations. You're seriously deluded into thinking that protection is p'ly's weak point. when the dragon attacked her, she calmly defended herself. and this despite the fact that it was totally weakened. 8 elite metal magicians came out against her, and she took them out alone. Her weakness is backstabbing. But you know, I doubt that in the same situation, Jong Jong would have been able to prove himself better. those walls of fire that Jong jong will create (and he cannot create more than one) will simply dispel. he can fly just because of the power of the comet. in normal situations, this option is not available to him. jet propulsion does not allow you to lift such a weight. You're wrong. The fire is coming from his body. p'li is not limited to explosion magic. She can also use ordinary fire, and in different styles (she used the water style against the dragon, the earth style against the mako). it's just an explosion-imba, and 1 on 1 will not be countered.
@@man_without_nameThe narrator literally shows JJ create fire walls upon Zhao’s arrival (1:50). No comet then. What are you talking about? JJ is known to make FIRE WALLS effortlessly even under normal conditions.
I agree. Jeong Jeong wins most of the time but I can see P’li catching him off guard by say, curving one of her explosions around his fire wall to hit him or bending his own fire wall to hit him with combustion bending.
Lowkey I feel like Iroh, similarly to Tenzin, is pulling a near squad wipe of the Red Lotus. He can handle Zaheer and Minghua plus I can see him turning the tide against Pli with his lightning bending. I’m just not sure he has the means of evading her explosions or Gazan’s lava.
Just wondering, what if a water bender just bends the water ming wa has on her arms away? What could she possibly do then? Seems like she would be toast to me
I think this is going to be a really close call. The red lotus members can take down any bender. But the white lotus also consists of masters. I would agree with either prediction as long as it is carefully nuanced
I strongly believe that the white lotus would win this battle because they always work together. And like someone else said they were only to take down Tenzin together.
Same, I believe the white lotus would win as they're all very patient, calm, and precise. Not to mention Iroh has a lot of wisdom that always comes to his advantage in a fight
This is how I think the fight would go: instead of them matching up against each other, the Red Lotus would likely go for the same tactic they used in Zaofu (Terror Within). Pl'i would probably be able to take out Jeong Jeong and Paku eventually, but Bumi would likely knock her out with his precision. Then, Zaheer would gain flight and instantly jump Iroh while Ming Hua and Ghazan take Bumi. Bumi would struggle to keep up with a 2v1, but eventually take out Ghazan since Ghazan has less durability. He might get a hit on Ming Hua, but she would get back up with ease. Bumi would struggle and the fight would combine again. Pl'i would get back up and although have no combustion-bending temporarily, would use firebending against Iroh, whom would quickly out-match her with experience with traditional firebending. Ming Hua and Zaheer would fight together as an insane duo, as the same would occur with Iroh and Bumi. Bumi would eventually get Zaheer out with the precision. Ming Hua's agility and water arms protect her from earth and fire, but eventually Iroh would electrify her and the white lotus would remain victorious.
I think the average bender is stronger by the time of Korra, but the masters in ATLA generally outclass the masters of Korra by a lot. They saw a lot more combat and had real experience. Except for waterbenders, there weren’t really many good waterbenders in ATLA because of how bad they got destroyed. And Aang is so absurdly good of an airbender that he beats anyone from Korra. Tenzin is by far the strongest airbender in Korra and aang was hands down way better than even him.
firstly, aang is weaker than tenzin. Secondly, you were watching the wrong series. The masters in the legend of Aang did not show anything even close to the masters in the legend of korra. Iroh Jr. showed more in his 2 appearances in the story in battle than Iroh Sr. in all 3 seasons, excluding comet. and this is despite the fact that by the standards of the legend of korra, Iroh Jr. is not on the list of the strongest.
I agree with pretty much everything said! Bumi vs ghazan goes to Bumi Ming hua vs pakku goes to ming hua Pli vs joeng joeng goes to pli And Ihro vs Zaheer goes to Ihro Great analysis
In order for Bumi to defeat Ghazan, Bumi must have at least 20 times more power than he has shown. and this is not so easy to do, considering that his limit was shown to us, but ghazan's limit was not.
@@man_without_namebased on what? Bumi’s shown limit slams Ghazan’s shown limit. Doesn’t matter if Ghazan has never shown his limit. He has no scaling to Bumi whatsoever
@@darry4109Really? and in which universe is tilting a statue that is 15 times smaller than omashu a more powerful feat than destroying the northern temple of air, which is 3 times larger than omashu? If Bumi and Ghazan had fought in the city of the first, then in a minute the city would have disappeared.
@@man_without_name j to offer you some logic, bumi did that in 5 seconds vs ghazan who needed a lot of time for it. Ghazan got overwhelmed by bolin and makko. Bumi has btw never shown weakness. He had the strongest attacks we’ve seen from any bender that wasn’t boosted by a comet (by that i mean intensity/mass of attack). Ghazan would have no chance, the little fire attacks by makko and stones thrown by bolin that made him retreat were NOTHING against a huge number of elite firebenders boosted 100x stronger than usually and bumi didnt have any problem defeating them. This argument feels very biased by your side
@@jordan4835 watch seize up north part 1 he does it. He does this to an entire legion of Fire Nation soldiers. The only other person to ever do that was Keyoshi and she had to touch you.
if Ty Lee could face off the Red Lotus after the events of Harmonic Convergence, she'd be unstoppable as an Airbender! I'd love to see Ty Lee as an Airbender once Harmonic Convergence happened and she'd have to to face off Zaheer who wouldn't know how to beat her because Ty Lee's so agile on her feet and is an acrobat since she joined a circus 🎪 🤡 and moves quite like an Airbender.
Bro it three members of the Red Lotus couldn’t take on Tenzin and the only member to take him out was P’li camping on the ship. What makes people think they could take on the white lotus or even Iroh and Bumi alone
the white lotus were not trained to war (maybe just Iroh but he have mercy), while the red lotus fight for their life. imagine if the white lotus were put on the bad side, the antagonist side
First of all, Piandao managed to fight many firebenders on his own and he didn't even stay back under the Sozin's comet. So leaving him out wouldn't be fair in my opinion. Also Jeong Jeong might not be able to beat P'li but he'd be able to hold her off and deny her attacks for a long time, at least until he gets help. Don't forget he is very much agile for his age. Pakku on the other hand would have much harder time against Minghua since she strikes so fast and moves so swiftly as opposed to Pakku. I'm not saying he wouldn't put up a good fight, surely he would, but in the end i think Minghua would wear him off. The earth benders' fight would also be great but i don't see Ghazan winning. He is a very skilled bender for sure but Bumi has much greater raw bending power, is a better strategist and is able to fight in different styles. Although it would be fun to watch, I don't think the fight between Zaheer and Iroh would be a close one. It would take a while for Iroh to end Zaheer since he's very agile and has flight ability but Iroh is too strong and experienced for him having a chance of winning. TLDR: I mostly agree with the video but i also think white lotus would win by a larger margin. And Piandao is too strong to be left out.
You dont even need to do these comparisons to know white lotus would win. Atla is filled with benders who are all prodigies in their own way and battle tested theough years of experience. I look at this as a bruce lee vs ip man type of feel. White lotus being the masters and red lotus the students like bruce was to ip man. The students showed how thwy can get it done with more than just the traditional ways of bending like bruce has done making his own style but he has not beaten his own master. The only master the red lotus fought was tenzin and he bodied their leader before they jumped him. Basically, if its group vs group, white lotus wins, they only way red can win is due to isolating the matchups in the video but i believe the white lotus is smart enough to know that they will have to switch the matchups to work in their favor
they only win cause of Iroh and Bumi 🤣 Jeong Jeong struggled against ZHAO so he definitely not beating P’Li lol and Pakku is honestly a joke (in my opinion) . So yes White Lotus wins but they gettin hard carried .
@@malaysiaa_xoIroh has the worse feats of all the benders here. Look at his on screen feats. And compare them to the other benders here. Iroh is overrated Jeong Jeong never fought Zhao.
@@malaysiaa_xoZhao was able to block Iroh fire blast during the siege of the north and colonel Mongke was trading blows with Iroh. Iroh is the weakest here he is overrated. Everyone here has better feats than Iroh.
@@RjZyon comics exist and they are canon this isn’t just about on screen feats , and Iroh (and yes Ghazan too) both took down the wall of BaSingSe . Jeong Jeong did fight Zhao briefly , did you not watch the show?
I think the best chance for the WL to win is for Ming Hua to fight Iroh. And Pakku against Ghazan. To put out the lava. He is the most mobile of the WL members and is the only one who could dodge the lava on the ground. Iroh and jeong Jeong are stationary fighters not mobile at all. If Iroh or Jeong Jeong fight Pli I think that’s suicide. Considering Lin and Suyin had trouble dodging. And Aang had issues dodging Combustion man. If they fight people with the same elements as them. That takes forever and is a hard fight. And can go any way and is likely in the Red Lotus favor. King Bumi against Pli and Jeong Jeong against Zaheer. They would have to split the red lotus up one by one. My bias:Unalaq and Pakku are my favorite water benders. And I think jeong Jeong is underrated and he’s my favorite fire bender. And Zaheer and Iroh are the most overrated members of their team.
Aang had the flying skill unlocked to be honest in ba sing se when he was fighting azula and hid and said sorry katara and started flying, avoid saying avatar state because korra definitely couldnt do it she was jumping
If you guys watched close, Aang could have flied if he unlocked his 7th chakra, which was to let go the people you love. Zaheer unlocked the power to fly after Pli died (which is his girlfriend) he unlocked this after weeks because pli was still alive and like Aang he couldnt let go. Aang didnt let go Katara, he wanted to save her, and live with her so he didnt let go thats why he couldnt fly. Guys im not sure but maybe these things arent even correct (its just my opinion).
I think the red lotus would win just for the fact that combustion bending is really strong and if gazhan and ming hau made sure nothing hit her head they’d most likely win
Jeong jeong just needs to close the gap. pLi hasn’t shown any actual fighting feats. Always surrounded by her team or high ground. Close the gap and she’s useless. Her time reaction would be to slow.
The White Lotus would win. They are smarter and more creative with their bending. And I stille think the same even if we include Piando, Unalaq and Aiwei.
Feat wise the red lotus. Iroh and jeong Jeong barely have feats. And Zhao was able to block Iroh attacks and get in Jeong Jeong fire wall. The white lotus members are overrated when you look at their on screen feats. Maybe Pakku beats Ghazan with water though. And Pli is op as a combustion bender. You guys voting for WL because you guys like them Only Bumi and kind of master Pakku has feats. The WL members are feat-less.
We keep giving boom boom sparky people wayyy too much glorification here. All they need to do is close the gap tbh. They really haven’t shown any real fighting techniques. And they’ve always been having someone around them giving them an advantage.
You didnt say Pakku has water spout. Iroh fire ball was during sozin comet. And iroh lightning is slow. Iroh isnt beating Zaheer. You overrated Iroh too much.
Plesse let's not try to make it seem like Red Lotus had a chance...Zaheer airbending is kind of a problem but they sre all veterans, iroh has deep understanding of Air bending and air nomads that he was able to create new techniques from them, he's flying is overrated, Tenzin smoke him 1v1 ez 2v1 ready tenzin still csn take 2
Taking down the fire nation on an comet day is not equal to taking down the earth kingdom ith poor queen .. I think that's not a fair comparison . And also i think the white lotus can takedown the fire nation on a comet day . I don't think the white lotus can do that
The white lotus vs the red lotus...hmmm let me think.... The white lotus clearly wins. All the members of the white lotus are more skilled and experienced compared to members of the red lotus.
This is the biggest underestimating of Jeong Jeong I ever saw! Jeong Jeong can't hold his own against Pli'i because she's a combustion bender? Zuko held his own against a direct short-range blast from combustion man you know, and it take a slight hit to the head of a combustion bender to disoriented their bending. Revisit your analysis of Jeong Jeong. Dude can take on almost every forebender. I consider him one of very few who can take down Ozai at his prime and that short list doesn't include the likes of Pli'i. If there's a followup to this comment, I'll share why I think so
Held? Dude, he was thrown off a cliff. and it was just one weak shot from him. and we are talking about someone who is stronger, faster, more diverse. 1 blow from her-and jong Jong flies away to rest, the difference in strength between them is greater than between Zuko from season 1 and Azula from the comics.
Yep, dude went off the cliff ... Shows how powerful the explosion was. Things to consider too 1. Blast was close range. I don't know how you classified it as weak still, but I'll roll with it. 2. Distance between Zuko and the cliff edge was short. It's not exactly like the explosion sent him flying, he was grounded and propelled backwards by the blast. 3. Jeong Jeong knows far more than Zuzu at this point. That was Zuko before his prime. I still think J. J was underestimated in that analysis
@@iBrandAfricaGroupBecause Sparky sparky boom man wouldn't put himself in danger. the small distance between them is just an argument in favor of weakening the explosions, especially given the shakiness of the structure. He also fired weak explosions in the city. It's not that small. 10-15 meters. There is a huge difference in strength between Zuko and sparky sparky boom man. but there is no difference between Zuko and Jong jong. she... average.
Zaheer could literally suffice Iroh or any other member of the white lotus. How come that didn't get addressed in the video? Plus, virtually none of the white lotus have experience fighting an airbender.
Paku loses to anyone on the Red Lotus he just cant keep up. Ghazan turns all the earth Bumi uses into bendable lava, yes he's not immune to it himself but since when has that been a problem? He literally only lost because another lavabender was countering his attacks. Jeong Jeong cant defend against p'li for too long like you stated. Iroh loses when he gets jumped just like Tenzin did. Ironically Piandao would be the wildcard, but the Red Lotus should then also get Unalaq, who is arguably one of the best waterbenders we have ever seen. Red Lotus wins but I get it, atla is holy
Let’s not forget that Zaheer could only fly after P’li died. If she’s alive he’s never flying either, and he’s getting bodied more
Yep. Flying can only be acquired by letting off all your earthly attachments.
Yes thank you came here to say this. Everyone overrates his flight it’s not bc he’s so powerful it’s bc he has no one.
@@navi.blueguy3zaheer beats iroh badly
@@boilingman972 you wish so bad
Piandou is slept on HAAAARD. Remember why he was allowed to live in the fire nation, despite his loyalties lying elsewhere? That’s right! Because the fire nation literally could not beat him. They sent soldier after soldier up that hill to take him out, and not one could do the job. Piandou is the melee GOAT
no name Fire nation soliders are nothing more than punching bags in the show 🤣🤣 that’s not that impressive tbh .
@@malaysiaa_xo1000 fire nation soldiers multiple time….
Piandao got the best seat ever watching this
Piando can against spy he too was also earth bender
@@danwarner7816no he wasn't..?
@@czms922 how did he use seismic sense to tell if ppl lying
@@danwarner7816 Anyone could tell he was lying probably, his voice was shakey and he stuttered when Pinadao pointed out his name was unusual for the fire nation.
@poochthedog1 I still think it be interesting to see piando vs a earth bender 😂
If The OG White Lotus members we see in ATLA are involved, the Red Lotus is toast.
Yeah
Especially if like, bumi vs p’li
Note to self: Respect your elders!
Ok I will
Bro is highly underestimating Paku
Nu uh
Well it feels like he only takes the fight against katara into account
@@thombogd1022fr pakku is in the WL for a reason he could def beat Ming hua mid diff ngl
Nah. Paku would have lost one way or another. Ming Hua's offensive tactics are just too creative - things I never imagined (my opinion). Though Paku would still put up a good fight.
Bro Ming hua solos him 💀
Piando watching this be like: 👁👄👁
The entire red lotus had to jump tenzin to finally beat him, so how well do you think they’ll fair against 5 FIVE war vets💀
Edit: oh my days I started a war
Yeah its to much
You mean 5 fodders tenzin wipes with mid diff? Hmmm....
@@man_without_nameassuming speed equalization, Iroh and Bumi would slam Tenzin. No speed equalization all of the white lotus members would blitz Tenzin beside Piandao
Tenzin whiped the floor with Zaheer, and he held his ground for A FEW seconds against the Red Lotus. I guess you just couldn't see what the point was with that fight... 1to show he didn't wanna surrender2 he's a real leader to the air Nation..not that he can take on two members of the red Lotus. Plus air's the strongest element and no one has any experience against it.
@@darry4109iroh and bumi can't even touch tenzin and he easily beat them 5 together.
Jeong Jeong VS. P'li will be a tough match
Jeong Jeong's fire walls can resist powerful fire blasts. His fire wall during the Sozin's comet was able to resist 2-4 fire blasts (which are all powered by Sozin's comet) and he was able to control that wall into charging against a lot of fire nation battle tanks. Jeong Jeong's main ability is turning a good defense into an unstoppable offense.
Note that there's a bit of a difference between his fireball on the river and the one from Sozin's comet. On the river, he focused on blocking Zhao's fleet, so he had to make it a bit thinner but wider. On comet, it is much more thicker but only covered small width.
Jeong Jeong can manipulate his firewall into how he wants it, using the arguement that it was because of Sozin's comet that he was able to firebend like that is not even a match up. Sozin's comet will only boost a firebender's power, but not manipulation and intelligence, a thing that Jeong Jeong can do without the comet. Meaning he's most likely able to manipulate his wide firewall into a much more thicker but less wide fireball with the only difference is a bit of a loss on power.
P'li's (wow a lot of apostrophes) combustion bending proves that she's an immovable offensive battle freak. Her offense is just pure power. But her main weakness is her vulnerability when it comes to defending her battleground. She can produce a bunch of fireblasts on a mere second but she was ultimately beaten up by her own defensive flaw as seen as she can't defend herself much.
Jeonh Jeong's defense vs P'li's offense - Likely Jeong Jeong because if he just controls his wide firewall into a thicket but less wider firewall, he can win.
P'li's attack speed would be a thing tho', but Jeong Jeong's restraint and even a waterbender-like firebender essence helps him to take control over his area of battle. Jeong Jeong can make up a lot of firewalls coming on P'li's way and control the battlefield like a chess board.
Yes, P'li might be able to dodge that firewall, but Jeong Jeong can actually fly (He was poweted by comet that time, but comet only boosts what is already there, like if you have a lightning, it will only boost it, but if you don't, there's nothing to boost) making sure that Jeong Jeong can actively summon fire on all directions to go against P'li.
Another point, Jeong Jeong can summon fire even if it's not coming from his own body (he's the only one who can do that), giving him an even more advantage into controling the battle field.
The difference between them is their intelligence, Jeong Jeong just stretches wider while P'li is limited on combustion bending alone (She can still firebend tho') while JJ mastered firebending and even used a water-bender style into producing his flames.
It's a very tough fight, but Jeong Jeong's intelligence will get P'li for sure.
Yes, Sozin's comet increases the power of the fire mage. and it was because of this that he was able to make a powerful wall of fire during the comet. He can't do that in normal situations.
You're seriously deluded into thinking that protection is p'ly's weak point. when the dragon attacked her, she calmly defended herself. and this despite the fact that it was totally weakened. 8 elite metal magicians came out against her, and she took them out alone. Her weakness is backstabbing. But you know, I doubt that in the same situation, Jong Jong would have been able to prove himself better.
those walls of fire that Jong jong will create (and he cannot create more than one) will simply dispel.
he can fly just because of the power of the comet. in normal situations, this option is not available to him. jet propulsion does not allow you to lift such a weight.
You're wrong. The fire is coming from his body.
p'li is not limited to explosion magic. She can also use ordinary fire, and in different styles (she used the water style against the dragon, the earth style against the mako). it's just an explosion-imba, and 1 on 1 will not be countered.
She can't bear Jong Jong
@@man_without_nameThe narrator literally shows JJ create fire walls upon Zhao’s arrival (1:50). No comet then. What are you talking about? JJ is known to make FIRE WALLS effortlessly even under normal conditions.
I agree. Jeong Jeong wins most of the time but I can see P’li catching him off guard by say, curving one of her explosions around his fire wall to hit him or bending his own fire wall to hit him with combustion bending.
Technically, Zaheer used to be a martial arts master before attaining Airbending. Zaheer could also be matched against Master Piandao.
Yes but now that he's a bender he would fall into another category
Lowkey I feel like Iroh, similarly to Tenzin, is pulling a near squad wipe of the Red Lotus. He can handle Zaheer and Minghua plus I can see him turning the tide against Pli with his lightning bending. I’m just not sure he has the means of evading her explosions or Gazan’s lava.
We gonna forget how Bumi can bend with his mind? 😂 the day of black sun, he bent rocks to the coffin in the air and then ripped the coffin open
Combustion bending: Known to explode when in contact with fire
Jeong Jeong: Known for creating walls at a distance in front of people
Jong jong is so underrated
Yup
fr bruh alot of people forget him
Just imagine how Piandao is reacting to this
Piando can go against spy guy from korra s3 cus hard to believe he too was once a member before zaheer betrayed him 😂
Just wondering, what if a water bender just bends the water ming wa has on her arms away? What could she possibly do then? Seems like she would be toast to me
I think this is going to be a really close call. The red lotus members can take down any bender.
But the white lotus also consists of masters. I would agree with either prediction as long as it is carefully nuanced
I strongly believe that the white lotus would win this battle because they always work together. And like someone else said they were only to take down Tenzin together.
Same, I believe the white lotus would win as they're all very patient, calm, and precise. Not to mention Iroh has a lot of wisdom that always comes to his advantage in a fight
No they weren’t.
@@Lilo_06the WL barely have feats
@@RjZyonOne lighting strike from iroh and ming Hua is gone, same with p’li aswell I guess
This is how I think the fight would go: instead of them matching up against each other, the Red Lotus would likely go for the same tactic they used in Zaofu (Terror Within). Pl'i would probably be able to take out Jeong Jeong and Paku eventually, but Bumi would likely knock her out with his precision. Then, Zaheer would gain flight and instantly jump Iroh while Ming Hua and Ghazan take Bumi. Bumi would struggle to keep up with a 2v1, but eventually take out Ghazan since Ghazan has less durability. He might get a hit on Ming Hua, but she would get back up with ease. Bumi would struggle and the fight would combine again. Pl'i would get back up and although have no combustion-bending temporarily, would use firebending against Iroh, whom would quickly out-match her with experience with traditional firebending. Ming Hua and Zaheer would fight together as an insane duo, as the same would occur with Iroh and Bumi. Bumi would eventually get Zaheer out with the precision. Ming Hua's agility and water arms protect her from earth and fire, but eventually Iroh would electrify her and the white lotus would remain victorious.
Bro, just roasted the dragon of the West I think you don’t wanna mess with that guy
How did he roast Iroh?
I think the average bender is stronger by the time of Korra, but the masters in ATLA generally outclass the masters of Korra by a lot. They saw a lot more combat and had real experience. Except for waterbenders, there weren’t really many good waterbenders in ATLA because of how bad they got destroyed. And Aang is so absurdly good of an airbender that he beats anyone from Korra. Tenzin is by far the strongest airbender in Korra and aang was hands down way better than even him.
firstly, aang is weaker than tenzin.
Secondly, you were watching the wrong series. The masters in the legend of Aang did not show anything even close to the masters in the legend of korra. Iroh Jr. showed more in his 2 appearances in the story in battle than Iroh Sr. in all 3 seasons, excluding comet. and this is despite the fact that by the standards of the legend of korra, Iroh Jr. is not on the list of the strongest.
@@man_without_name Aang isnt weaker then Tenzin when he was tenzin's age. Obviously theres no shot a 12 year old is beating an adult tenzin.
@@man_without_nameuh what
You referred Bumi as “OLD ASS” LMFAOOOO SIR? I subscribed immediately after that.
You forgot to mention that King Boomi can earthbend with his mind. There is no way Ghazan would win, lavabender or not.
I agree with pretty much everything said!
Bumi vs ghazan goes to Bumi
Ming hua vs pakku goes to ming hua
Pli vs joeng joeng goes to pli
And Ihro vs Zaheer goes to Ihro
Great analysis
In order for Bumi to defeat Ghazan, Bumi must have at least 20 times more power than he has shown. and this is not so easy to do, considering that his limit was shown to us, but ghazan's limit was not.
White lotus wins with experience
@@man_without_namebased on what? Bumi’s shown limit slams Ghazan’s shown limit. Doesn’t matter if Ghazan has never shown his limit. He has no scaling to Bumi whatsoever
@@darry4109Really? and in which universe is tilting a statue that is 15 times smaller than omashu a more powerful feat than destroying the northern temple of air, which is 3 times larger than omashu? If Bumi and Ghazan had fought in the city of the first, then in a minute the city would have disappeared.
@@man_without_name j to offer you some logic, bumi did that in 5 seconds vs ghazan who needed a lot of time for it. Ghazan got overwhelmed by bolin and makko.
Bumi has btw never shown weakness.
He had the strongest attacks we’ve seen from any bender that wasn’t boosted by a comet (by that i mean intensity/mass of attack).
Ghazan would have no chance, the little fire attacks by makko and stones thrown by bolin that made him retreat were NOTHING against a huge number of elite firebenders boosted 100x stronger than usually and bumi didnt have any problem defeating them.
This argument feels very biased by your side
P'li:*distracted
Me:throwing a rock*😂😂😂
Didn’t you forget that a single pebble can beat a combustion bender
jeong jeong >pli ,iroh>zaheer ,ming hua >pakku ,bumi>ghazan
Afternoon video (5pm where I’m at) I like it.
Just saying p'li and the combustion man were taken out by metal. Piandao has metal sword just sayin
White Lotus definitely wins
Only the one from atla. Korra version of the white lotus keep getting wreak
@@deathshadow660 FR Zaheer was right - "glorified bodyguards" LOL
@@CK-Animatoriroh was carrying the white lotus. (The other guy too)
Ok, they say fight and Grandpaku freezes the water inside the bodies of all the Red Lotus and instantly kills them all.
Fight over White Lotus wins!!
He can’t do that??😭
And min hua cant do the same?
@@jordan4835 watch seize up north part 1 he does it. He does this to an entire legion of Fire Nation soldiers.
The only other person to ever do that was Keyoshi and she had to touch you.
11:54 that’s not how airbending works. i could be 1,000 pounds and an airbending master could still move me.
if Ty Lee could face off the Red Lotus after the events of Harmonic Convergence, she'd be unstoppable as an Airbender! I'd love to see Ty Lee as an Airbender once Harmonic Convergence happened and she'd have to to face off Zaheer who wouldn't know how to beat her because Ty Lee's so agile on her feet and is an acrobat since she joined a circus 🎪 🤡 and moves quite like an Airbender.
Ty Lee would be unstoppable
Ty Lee was already phenomenal, if she won airbending it'd be definitely endgame
Bro it three members of the Red Lotus couldn’t take on Tenzin and the only member to take him out was P’li camping on the ship. What makes people think they could take on the white lotus or even Iroh and Bumi alone
P'li is never touching jeon jeong.
Thank you
Lies 😂
Dude she took down a dragon in a single shot after being imprisoned and not bending for 13 years. On top of that, Jeong Jeong has very few feats.
Even before watching this I know the White Lotus are taking the tea
random theory you can bend the beams like water bending. Its just no one's had the reaction time or lack of self preservation to do it
Are you referring to combustion bending or something else?
the white lotus were not trained to war (maybe just Iroh but he have mercy), while the red lotus fight for their life. imagine if the white lotus were put on the bad side, the antagonist side
White Lotus all the way 🥳🥳🥳
Katara's smile is really cute
First of all, Piandao managed to fight many firebenders on his own and he didn't even stay back under the Sozin's comet. So leaving him out wouldn't be fair in my opinion.
Also Jeong Jeong might not be able to beat P'li but he'd be able to hold her off and deny her attacks for a long time, at least until he gets help. Don't forget he is very much agile for his age.
Pakku on the other hand would have much harder time against Minghua since she strikes so fast and moves so swiftly as opposed to Pakku. I'm not saying he wouldn't put up a good fight, surely he would, but in the end i think Minghua would wear him off.
The earth benders' fight would also be great but i don't see Ghazan winning. He is a very skilled bender for sure but Bumi has much greater raw bending power, is a better strategist and is able to fight in different styles.
Although it would be fun to watch, I don't think the fight between Zaheer and Iroh would be a close one. It would take a while for Iroh to end Zaheer since he's very agile and has flight ability but Iroh is too strong and experienced for him having a chance of winning.
TLDR: I mostly agree with the video but i also think white lotus would win by a larger margin. And Piandao is too strong to be left out.
You dont even need to do these comparisons to know white lotus would win. Atla is filled with benders who are all prodigies in their own way and battle tested theough years of experience. I look at this as a bruce lee vs ip man type of feel. White lotus being the masters and red lotus the students like bruce was to ip man. The students showed how thwy can get it done with more than just the traditional ways of bending like bruce has done making his own style but he has not beaten his own master. The only master the red lotus fought was tenzin and he bodied their leader before they jumped him. Basically, if its group vs group, white lotus wins, they only way red can win is due to isolating the matchups in the video but i believe the white lotus is smart enough to know that they will have to switch the matchups to work in their favor
they only win cause of Iroh and Bumi 🤣 Jeong Jeong struggled against ZHAO so he definitely not beating P’Li lol and Pakku is honestly a joke (in my opinion) . So yes White Lotus wins but they gettin hard carried .
Your bias 😂
@@malaysiaa_xoIroh has the worse feats of all the benders here. Look at his on screen feats. And compare them to the other benders here. Iroh is overrated
Jeong Jeong never fought Zhao.
@@malaysiaa_xoZhao was able to block Iroh fire blast during the siege of the north and colonel Mongke was trading blows with Iroh.
Iroh is the weakest here he is overrated.
Everyone here has better feats than Iroh.
@@RjZyon comics exist and they are canon this isn’t just about on screen feats , and Iroh (and yes Ghazan too) both took down the wall of BaSingSe . Jeong Jeong did fight Zhao briefly , did you not watch the show?
I won't disrepect the white lotus like this... Coz!!!!!!... The elders win by wisdom.
I think the best chance for the WL to win is for Ming Hua to fight Iroh. And Pakku against Ghazan. To put out the lava. He is the most mobile of the WL members and is the only one who could dodge the lava on the ground. Iroh and jeong Jeong are stationary fighters not mobile at all. If Iroh or Jeong Jeong fight Pli I think that’s suicide. Considering Lin and Suyin had trouble dodging. And Aang had issues dodging Combustion man. If they fight people with the same elements as them. That takes forever and is a hard fight. And can go any way and is likely in the Red Lotus favor.
King Bumi against Pli and Jeong Jeong against Zaheer.
They would have to split the red lotus up one by one.
My bias:Unalaq and Pakku are my favorite water benders. And I think jeong Jeong is underrated and he’s my favorite fire bender.
And Zaheer and Iroh are the most overrated members of their team.
Zaheer literally lost almost every fight, ming hua is fragile, pli has a weaknesss because of her third eye tattoo and ghazan has no experience 😢
Aang had the flying skill unlocked to be honest in ba sing se when he was fighting azula and hid and said sorry katara and started flying, avoid saying avatar state because korra definitely couldnt do it she was jumping
sad that we really can't compare because there isn't much action from Jeong Jeong or Pakku
Why can't pakku just waterbend Ming huas water Arms away
Please can you do Gaang vs Red lotus
Please 🥺🙏🏿❤️
Coming up next 😉
@@MindBursterz hahahaha 🤣
Asante rafiki 🙏🏿
Nasubiria uchambuzi wa Katara vs Ming hua kwa hamu kubwa 🌊× 🌊🩸
If you guys watched close, Aang could have flied if he unlocked his 7th chakra, which was to let go the people you love.
Zaheer unlocked the power to fly after Pli died (which is his girlfriend) he unlocked this after weeks because pli was still alive and like Aang he couldnt let go.
Aang didnt let go Katara, he wanted to save her, and live with her so he didnt let go thats why he couldnt fly.
Guys im not sure but maybe these things arent even correct (its just my opinion).
How bout Piandao vs. Lieutenant?
Piando vs spy guy forgot his name 😅
@@danwarner7816 Iwei?
@@wickdaline8668 yh him not fighter but still I think piando can take him
Respect
Zaheer achieved flight as he lost all his connection with the earth which was pli so in this match zaheer eont br able to fly since pli is alive
White lotus has skilled benders WHILE red lotus has powerful benders
THE FIGHT MAY GO IN BOTH WAY
What if Zaheer Forms a new red lotus once he is out of prison?
He won't be.
@@MaxItAllNoww but if he breaks out?
I think the red lotus would win just for the fact that combustion bending is really strong and if gazhan and ming hau made sure nothing hit her head they’d most likely win
But this man is really underating Jong Jong the scene he brings up was one where Jong Jong wasn't trying to attack
Combustion bending is strong but has too many weaknesses though
Jong jong would definitely wipe off Pli.... remember he can fly snd pli cant..😂😂
Jeong jeong just needs to close the gap. pLi hasn’t shown any actual fighting feats. Always surrounded by her team or high ground. Close the gap and she’s useless. Her time reaction would be to slow.
The White Lotus would win. They are smarter and more creative with their bending.
And I stille think the same even if we include Piando, Unalaq and Aiwei.
Feat wise the red lotus.
Iroh and jeong Jeong barely have feats. And Zhao was able to block Iroh attacks and get in Jeong Jeong fire wall. The white lotus members are overrated when you look at their on screen feats.
Maybe Pakku beats Ghazan with water though.
And Pli is op as a combustion bender.
You guys voting for WL because you guys like them
Only Bumi and kind of master Pakku has feats. The WL members are feat-less.
White lotus dont let their age fool you they could even take down the combustion lady
Piandao watching this be like:
The only one who could put up a challenge was the baddas ming hua the others didnt know what they were doing
Jeong jeong is absolutely defeating p’li
Not stomping, but hard-extreme diff
You're forgetting that a lavabender can turn the lava back into earth.
The dragon of the West ❤😊
If course all those ATLA characters will win..
How about unalaq?
The winning factors are truly iroh and bumi
Foaming mouth guy harmless meng and zuko willing to hurt people to get to anng
Ummm if it’s a team vs team fight Zaheer can’t fly if p’li is alive and well
I doubt that fire battle though...
Just because JJ doesn't attack much does not mean he's incapable...
Why about unalok
Who's that 🙄
@@MindBursterz he’s talking about Unalaq, who also was part of the red lotus
Yeah i know who Unalaq is, i meant why would i add him 😏
We keep giving boom boom sparky people wayyy too much glorification here. All they need to do is close the gap tbh. They really haven’t shown any real fighting techniques. And they’ve always been having someone around them giving them an advantage.
Jeong2 vs Pli = Pli Win
Bumi vs Ghazan = Bumi Win
Pakku vs Minghua = Minghua Win
Iroh vs Zaheer = Iroh Win
You didnt say Pakku has water spout. Iroh fire ball was during sozin comet. And iroh lightning is slow. Iroh isnt beating Zaheer. You overrated Iroh too much.
Just send one of the white lotus and the others can bask in victory
Plesse let's not try to make it seem like Red Lotus had a chance...Zaheer airbending is kind of a problem but they sre all veterans, iroh has deep understanding of Air bending and air nomads that he was able to create new techniques from them, he's flying is overrated, Tenzin smoke him 1v1 ez 2v1 ready tenzin still csn take 2
There is no red lotus ba sing se
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Taking down the fire nation on an comet day is not equal to taking down the earth kingdom ith poor queen .. I think that's not a fair comparison .
And also i think the white lotus can takedown the fire nation on a comet day . I don't think the white lotus can do that
The white lotus vs the red lotus...hmmm let me think....
The white lotus clearly wins. All the members of the white lotus are more skilled and experienced compared to members of the red lotus.
King Bumi will oppress them, hello...
I mean the white lotus will walk down the red lotus cause iron is the DRAGON OF THE WEST
The white lotus in atla would destroy the red lotus but the white lotus in lok would get demolished
I guess the outcome is correct
I was really expecting the red lotus to win
Fiyah
This is the biggest underestimating of Jeong Jeong I ever saw! Jeong Jeong can't hold his own against Pli'i because she's a combustion bender? Zuko held his own against a direct short-range blast from combustion man you know, and it take a slight hit to the head of a combustion bender to disoriented their bending.
Revisit your analysis of Jeong Jeong. Dude can take on almost every forebender. I consider him one of very few who can take down Ozai at his prime and that short list doesn't include the likes of Pli'i.
If there's a followup to this comment, I'll share why I think so
Held? Dude, he was thrown off a cliff. and it was just one weak shot from him. and we are talking about someone who is stronger, faster, more diverse. 1 blow from her-and jong Jong flies away to rest, the difference in strength between them is greater than between Zuko from season 1 and Azula from the comics.
Yep, dude went off the cliff ... Shows how powerful the explosion was. Things to consider too
1. Blast was close range. I don't know how you classified it as weak still, but I'll roll with it.
2. Distance between Zuko and the cliff edge was short. It's not exactly like the explosion sent him flying, he was grounded and propelled backwards by the blast.
3. Jeong Jeong knows far more than Zuzu at this point. That was Zuko before his prime.
I still think J. J was underestimated in that analysis
@@iBrandAfricaGroupBecause Sparky sparky boom man wouldn't put himself in danger. the small distance between them is just an argument in favor of weakening the explosions, especially given the shakiness of the structure. He also fired weak explosions in the city.
It's not that small. 10-15 meters.
There is a huge difference in strength between Zuko and sparky sparky boom man. but there is no difference between Zuko and Jong jong. she... average.
They lose cause jeong fire defense are huge pakku needs timing iroh can lightning bend and bumi needs help with the lava bender
If you think the red lotus will win your not ok
there was absolute no way red lotus was going to win
Total superior in power,more skills,better teamwork
He realy underestimate paku
Team avatar (atla) vs red lotus
Bro jeong jeong can fly????????
white lotus no diff💀
Iroh solos
Just Iroh is enough…
Zaheer could literally suffice Iroh or any other member of the white lotus. How come that didn't get addressed in the video?
Plus, virtually none of the white lotus have experience fighting an airbender.
Suffocating takes a very long time while he is unguarded so the could just attack back
King bumi from white lotus has fought aang who is an air bender
jeong jeong is not losing to pli
Like never
Paku loses to anyone on the Red Lotus he just cant keep up. Ghazan turns all the earth Bumi uses into bendable lava, yes he's not immune to it himself but since when has that been a problem? He literally only lost because another lavabender was countering his attacks. Jeong Jeong cant defend against p'li for too long like you stated. Iroh loses when he gets jumped just like Tenzin did. Ironically Piandao would be the wildcard, but the Red Lotus should then also get Unalaq, who is arguably one of the best waterbenders we have ever seen. Red Lotus wins but I get it, atla is holy