Cameron didn't just want the alien derelict to look different. He needed a reason to explain why the warning beacon was no longer transmitting, otherwise the colonists would have discovered it immediately. So the ship was shown to have been severely damaged by volcanic activity, although this was only shown in the director's cut.
In the game Alien isolation, another salvage team finds the ship. They don't want no one else to find their salvage so they turned off the beacon. In the heavy metal comic book Adaptation version Dallas turns off the beacon.
Thanks. I like the theory that the people David killed on LV-223 were another "test" species, and not the actual Engineer Civilization. What do you think?
I don't see the point of the engineers they don't fit the world of alien, and by that I mean you can clearly see that they are not created by the same person who created alien. They're to humanoid, also the alien queen just made the whole aspect less alien, as referencing to insects to much with which we are familiar and introduced and old familiar concept instead of something alien and new.
David never Killed the engineers, nor was the sub species ever on Lv 223 either. Lv 223 was only a test site or production site for the black goo. He was supposed to fly to engineers home world but found another product of the engineers the “ sub species” somewhere else. Probably because it wouldn’t make sense that the engineers would ever let a space ship of mass destruction ever come close to one of their systems
I luv Prometheus and everything Ridleys done up until the release of covenant since I wanted an actual sequel to the engineers , I was disappointed he went back to the mindless aliens ... been there done that! However ,I still enjoyed them for the simple fact that as long as Ridley is making them they will always be entertaining & id rather have something then nothing! Engineers is the way to go moving forward & David is an awesome addition , ridley needs to get the next film out , remaining engineers target David !
They are after the alien so badly yet they have access to all the goo a stone's throw away. Shrinks the universe a bit being so close, that's because in Prometheus it was meant to be lv426 and they decided to make it lv223.
I was thinking about this. The Prometheus mission never found the beacon emanating from the derelict on LV-426 even the fact LV-223 is orbiting Calpamos, too. The only answer that came to my mind is the derelict wasn't there. Probably the pilot was infected by the creature many many years ago (maybe thousands of years) while the ship was travelling across the space and by chance it crashed on LV-426 AFTER what we watched on Prometheus. We watched on Alien that it was a huge hole close to the pilot's chair made by acid. I think this hole was provoked by the pilot's last effort on killing the creature he was gestating (remember engineers are quite resilient and hard bodied). This could explain why the Nostromo crew never found the fully developed xenomorph dormant and waiting for a prey. Also, that acid penetrated the derelict's hull so the whole atmosphere was lost in space drying off the pilot's corpse and made it to look fossilised and not rotten.
New to the channel and enjoying it. Question, is this channel Godzilla and Alien content heavy or would you cover other sci-fi series, perhaps RoboCop?!
It occured to me that both moons orbited the same planet also. But with Dr. Shaw having visited various planets looking for the engineers home planet, I think that the moon should be elsewhere. That both moons orbit a ringed planet may have been chosen by the engineers because of an attraction for ringed worlds, or some other reason .
They didn’t blow up the atmospheric processor it was gonna blow on its own. Corporal Hicks , “How long until it blows?’ after Bishop explains the situation.
Yeah. The Aliens should just be a naturally evolved species, that just happens to be insanely dangerous. And that we are just unlucky to encounter them. Because as with everything that can be used as weapons, some countries will do whatever it takes to get hands on it, and everything else is second priority.
@suprasylph Do you remember the point of the movie when they decide to get away from the Alien but can't because there aren't enough hyper-sleep pods on the shuttle? They could have hung out on the other moon instead being killed. I don't think both moons are in the same system despite was Scott says.
@John Norris - edited: tl;dr - LV-223 was not habitable at all. Do you remember Special Order 937? "Priority one "Insure return of organism for analysis. "All other considerations secondary. "Crew expendable." Let's ignore the fact that Ridley Scott stupidly claimed that LV-223 was orbiting the same planet as LV-426, that this was retroactively shoehorned into existing canon and that none of this makes any sense at all. At least recognize the potency of Special Order 937 and Ash's determination to steer the crew into accomplishing his goals of securing the xenomorph. "All other considerations secondary," would pretty much imply that Ash, with MOTHER's help, would shepherd the crew into making sure that all of their attentions were focused on that beacon on LV-426, and that they were going to land on that planetoid, come hell or high water. I don't think that it's a stretch to say that Ash and MOTHER already knew that the beacon was, in fact, a warning. Let's also remember that LV-223 was ***NOT INHABITABLE***. The crew of the Prometheus was never seen outside of their environment suits until they were inside of the "temple." Remember that line about the carbon dioxide being at 3.8%, much higher than Earth's CO2 being at 0.039%, and how that scientist said that it would be like breathing through an exhaust pipe? There was nothing remarkable about LV-223 that would have distracted the crew from Special Order 937. Details of Prometheus's failure would either have been purposefully obfuscated so that Weyland-Yutani could take their time with a more comprehensive exploration later on and not worry about corporate competition, or people just kind of forgot that Peter Weyland died on LV-223.
How is it that LV-426 is 39 light years away from Earth when it takes 1 week for a radio message to reach from Earth to LV-426 according to a dialogue from the deleted Hadley's hope scene in Aliens ? And also ships travelling that distance in very less time ? Warp drive like technology ? By simple calculations , LV-426 is 181.44 billion kilometres away from Earth.... Almost 2 percent the distance of a Light Year....
In the alien covenant novel its said that the engineers created a similar alien already. All David did was use a Human, instead of an engineer, it turns out, Humans have a unique reaction with the goo and we get the xenos like in the later movies. Its hinted in the movies...kinda, in a short film ridley put out called "the crossing", David mentions learning from the engineers from their "computers" on the derelict. I bet, he learns of the "process" here as well.
Yes the deacon, they use the blood of the deacon in the beginning of the movie the gold goo. Gold creates life and the synthetic version the black goo unfortunately creates death
There is some written error about the size of LV 426, based on the movie Prometheus and the late script by the revised version revealed that LV 426 is not a tiny planetoid that has 1200 km diameters(Lamber reports it in the first movie before the crew approaches it), actually a gas giant and similar to our earth in size, some speculation suggest that LV 426 size is even closer to 120K km diameters, closes to the Jupiter in our solar star system.
It's easier to say "black goo" than it is to say "nanite substrate." It's the same reason why the US chose to stay with the Imperial system than go with the Metric system. "Miles." "Inches." "Pounds." "Ounces." Versus: Kilometers, centimeters, kilograms, liters. Single-syllable words work best. Keep it simple.
Suprasylph I get what you're saying I've always liked the more technical side of science fiction fancy words like nanite substrate, subspace inversion field, and Quantum mechanics get me excited
He created his own version of what they had with the gold goo in the beginning of the movie with the black goo. They were running out of the original blood of the deacon, the original alien (the gold goo) and when they ran out they created the black goo ( a synthetic version of the gold goo) The gold goo creates life, the black creates death. David wanted to prove he could created an advanced form of life and used the black goo and engineered his own version of the life forms
Acheron? Calpamos? I noticed Ridley Scott uses a lot of religious mythology for his ALIEN movies. "Covenant", like a written contract or agreement, but between who in this case?. Planet named after "purgatory place where souls travel". "Prometheus" - rebellious and audacious thief of God's knowledge. It's all Greek/Christian mythology. So what do the Aliens themselves represent then? If Ripley plays the Christ-like savior? What are the aliens themselves? We also see the personification of Judas throughout the ALIEN universe. Where a person or android betrays the group. Ash in the first Alien. Burke in the second. David represents the son of Abraham, whom commits adultery and sleeps with his friend's wife. This part might hurt some folks, and i say it with caution... The aliens themselves could represent the Jews that went after Christ. Look carefully at the movies. They were relentless, hungry, determined. Think "Passion of the Christ" by Mel Gibson. She dies at the end of part 3, like Jesus. A Heroic death. Then in part 4-like the Bible usually claims-Ripley/Jesus is resurrected and she once again comes back to cleanse our sins.
Hello Sci-Fi Explained guy! at 2:10 we see the original Geiger Space Jocky seated in / fused to his pilot contraption where he supposedly becomes one with the juggernaut space ship. Cool and original idea and one that is perhaps amonst the best in the Sci-Fi genre. How can any one say that these Space Jocky species are the same as the so-called 'enginners' ? In the opening scene inside the derilect, we see the landing party parctically dwarfed next to the pilot (I know they used kids in space suits to get this practical effect). That Space Jocky looks no where near like what the Prometheus engineer looks like, The head, face, neck, the elephentine trunk and the dimension of the entire body make this creature about 2-3 times as massive as a human! What a pitty R.Scott had to ruin the magic of this original story line with that stuff which lacks originality, coherence or imaggination.
@@lloydlyall8120 40 nautical miles? That’s quite faraway. But that nuclear reactor explosion was massive. So you reckon that alien ship would have been affected or even damaged? I can’t wait for the next Alien movie. It’d better be good.
@@Melvorgazh i just remember reading that the ship was about 43miles away from the colony. The ship would have been out of the blast zone when the reactor went critical and who knows what kind of materials the ship is made of so it may have survived the explosion had it been closer imo😎
@@lloydlyall8120 Ah, nice. I also have read the very first 8th passenger book. I wonder if that ship shall have a role again in an upcoming film. The eggs should still be there. 😐 Still as dangerous as 43 years ago. Plenty of stories possible. Cheers, Thomas from Belgium
In the novelization Alien, Ash explains that the derilect spacecraft had crashed into a cave like area and that whoever the people in the craft were they were killed by the Aliens. In the book there is no mention of any bodies or space jockey.
the Nostromo was diverted to LV426 by Weyland-Yutani orders with the specific task to gather an alien lifeform. If nobody visited LV426 before, How can Weyland-Yutani know that there were a lifeform suitable for its weapons division? And if this lifeform is "weapon material", Why Weyland-Yutani sent a crew of a cargo ship to LV426 rather than a scientific or a military team? Why the crew wasnt awared that Ash was a robot? Why risking 20 billions of ore and all the equipment? Dallas knew about the plan and deliberated overpassed the quarantine protocol? And if he knew about the plan, Why he tried to kill the alien and not just enclose it?... (whatever the questions and the answers I love the movie)
Ash was instructed to take control once the Zenomorph was discovered and found out what it was capable of. It also appears that he had full access to Mother. Dallas did not know what Ash was up to, he simply wanted to save Kane's life and ignored the safety protocols. Whether the company talked to Ash before he let Kane back inside is anyone's guess.
Clive Ellis More background about the space jockey storyline is continued in the Alien comics and also other things which remains a mystery of the film plots
"Space Jockey" was never canonized and therefore should stop being used all together. Finally glad folks now know that this is happening in Zeta R. system.
easily excused, Dallas said it was "fossilizied". He is a pilot and not qualified to make that call, especially with an newly discovered unknown alien species.
And by the way genius, any moron could tell the difference between a"fossilized" and non-fossilized object. You don't have to be a "scientist". I learned about fossilized wood in grade school. Pick up a piece of fossilized wood sometime, you can easily tell it's actually a rock. Please continue giving us your in-depth reviews of the Alien films, they are so thoughtful and insightful.
And more to the point, the "Space Jockey" would become mummified not fossilized. Fossilization happens in a completely different manner. An abandoned Juggernaut and its contents could only become fossilized under very different circumstances. But either way, the original Alien movie does not match up with the current Ridley Scott prequels. Pity.
I love parts of the Alien Universe, mainly around Alien, Alien Isolation, a bit of Aliens and a bit of Prometheus. Prometheus, however, and especially Covenant have created issues though and completely drifted away from the Alien story with the creator nonsense. Why not stick to the theme and tell the story from a Weyland Yutani perspective or make a story about the Space-Jockey? They could have gone much deeper into the topic fo Alien and what made it so successful. I dont even understand the monetary motivations. Surely there are enough people who would get hyped for something a bit closer to the original. For the moon itself, I like that Isolation picks up on it. Isolation as a movie would have been great. But probably that's just me though.
riquelmeone Agreed. The whole plot line the Prometheus set up and Covenant followed up on is trash. It was so much cooler and creepier when the space jockey was a mystery and the aliens were an unknown entity. Hell, I’d argue the extended universe before the black goo storyline was cooler when it was a total mystery where the aliens came from.
I'm afraid the term biomechanical is actually nonsense it seems. Just because it looks like metal, or a device, or even bones, it doesn't mean that it's biomechanical. It's mechanical when it got actual mechanical parts which even humans have plenty of. It's more like insectoid in the movies. And metal insectoid in the arts. Because of its exo skeleton like structure. Maybe there is even a better term. Because when people think of insectoid they think of antennas and fly eyes instead of a hive minded two mouthed extra terrestrial super predator with extreme acidic blood.
+vunderground1 Yeah, the movie about Earth's dumbest scientists taking their helmets off minutes after landing on a strange planet and then getting lost despite superior mapping tech is THAT much better.
Tom Foolery alien & aliens are two different movies. Alien it's a sci-fi horror film, Aliens it's a sci-fi action film. But both are great. I love 'em both.
The mestic and mystery of the original Alien is being destroyed by the new movies, and this is sad. An amazing opportunity lost by Ridley Scott to make some excellent Alien prequel's, destroyed by Hollywood executives.
@@scifiexplained Well, you should know that he tends to mix things up and then change his claims. Just like he's ignored the AVP which shows the history the Yautja had with hunting the Xenomorphs.
Ridley Scott destroyed the Alien mythos - single-handedly. I used to love his work. It was visually distinct, beautifully shot - but he truly pulled his pants down and mooned the Alien Franchise with his Prometheus nonsense - and by undermining Neil Blomkamp’s attempted Alien reboot(?).
when you look back at alien. 3 ..it's light years in front of what come later !!!! people had a problem with newt and hicks dieing ...but this isn't a fairy story!!! alien 3 was dark and gritty......and for me has the perfect ending ....alien started with Ellen...it ended with Ellen.!!!! now why don't we start an new story ...with amy ...the game alien isolation...is were to start !!!! Disney. fox ..what's the hold up ????????????
Actually, the individual stars in that binary star system are known as Zeta 1 Reticuli (ζ1 Ret) and Zeta 2 Reticuli (ζ2 Ret). In real life, Zeta 2 Reticuli has a pancake-shaped debris disc orbiting it instead of planets. The distance between Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are around 3,700 AU (AU = astronomical unit; a single AU is 149,597,870,700 meters - the distance between the Earth and the Sun.) So, yes, it was factually accurate for Lambert to have reported, "I found it, just short of Zeta2 Reticuli. We haven't reached the Outer Rim yet."
Why didn't the company send the nostromo to lv233. I was disappointed with prometheus, modern science doesn't support the idea of a creator. I wish the jockey was andvanced A.I part organic, Searching the galaxy for any signs of life to add it to the genome of the xenomorph DNA sequence. It visited earth in the distant past collected human specimens dissolved them and added their DNA to the black goo. How else would a facehugger be compatible with humans, just the right size to fit a human head and all. When it all went wrong it evacuated our system at speed and somehow ended up on LV 426. The jockey, sent out by some ancient and powerful civilisation to create the perfect organism containing every sentient life in the galaxy's genetic coding. Once compleat it would return with its valuable cargo. The civilisation would then create a race of xenomorphs, powerful and diverse. they would unleash them on their enemies in an all mighty civil war that's been raging around the galactic core for millennia.
I wish Ridley Scott would explain once and for all what was his idea behind theses terrible movies... For me, all that “Prometheus” mess looks like his revenge to the franchise... Him stating: “Alien” wasn’t meant to have sequels at all! Unexpectedly there appeared some idiots claiming that “Prometheus” was great. So asked by profit motivated company to make another one, he went classical “hold my beer” and spawned even worse “Alien: Covenant”. This is the only logical explanation for why these movies were filmed at all.
Ash describes LV-426 as "...deep cold...way below the line..." Black goo does not move moons, or the planets they orbit, farther from their host star. Don't care what some author fantasizes. The derelict crashed, mostly like because a chest-burster killed the pilot. Planet for experiments? Hard to imagine how that would work. {smh}
what???? who said goo moved anything? only said that the prequel films list lv-426 as a test site for the substance. Works just fine, don't know what is so confusing?
LV-426 is deep cold, receives little solar radiation, suffers high winds, has an atmosphere that is ostensibly toxic, and has a high rotational speed. Probably should be tide-locked to its host planet. Whatever. These factors impair scientists. You would need beefier equipment. Risks to the health of your own kind would be very high. Little to no impact was obvious to the facehuggers. It would make more sense to use a sterile planet or moon as a test site. More solar radiation is a power source. Higher gravity doesn't require silly movement tricks such as the astronaut hop. No wind means grit insinuates itself into equipment less aggressively. It should present itself as at least as tough a barrier to spreading anything escaping from a lab. So, if one wished to use LV-426 as a test site, it makes more sense only if LV-426 were closer to its host star. Aliens is a fun movie, but screws the pooch here. No amount of atmosphere engineering will take a frozen moon and transform it into one that people can walk around on the surface without vacc suits.
What DO WE THINK is a STUPID QUESTION, because its answer is IRRELEVANT to a fictionnal and incomplete story. For instance WTF has to do with PREDATOR? Why do not then relate it with Starwars as well, or even StarTrek?? BULSHIT !!
It makes sense that the moons are closer together. Such a missed opportunity; I could see the Youtja using the moon as a training ground for young Predators.
Should have just left it as a mysterious alien race long dead that was carrying aliens,much more interesting story,the prequel franchise should be left alone,ruined just about every great Hollywood story
In the next Alien film, David should offer his death to the Engineer race so that the Engineers will help David's xenomorphs become self-aware. Alien Covenant teased xenomorphs being self-aware, especially through David's interaction with the neomorph, and therefore it makes sense for the sequel to complete this journey. David should become the Space Jockey, and in return his creatures get to become like him
It would be the evolution of the story, and shine over all the other stories in the franchise. David needs to become the Space Jockey, and in return his xenomorphs can be helped by the Engineers
I believe that anyone who starts an argument with the words 'Who cares?', especially when it's obvious that many people care, has lost the argument by default.
@@epiendless1128 I think that he know it. He wanted to display his disgust with wrong decisions studio made. And I agree that not everything is as should be (well is only on Giger) but also I want to tell that not everything is lost. Scott do not do same style movies anymore. Not so much focused on characters rather than universe or mythos. Little sad but we will see I hope it will be rewarding to wait.
No need for questions just check out the comic storyline of Alien . It might be the what expected in all those years....especially mysteries solved, clearly explained
For example the Space Jockey in the comics he appears as obese elephant like with humanoid body and the storyline is very elaborated about that creature
Classic place. This franchise is amazing
Cameron didn't just want the alien derelict to look different. He needed a reason to explain why the warning beacon was no longer transmitting, otherwise the colonists would have discovered it immediately.
So the ship was shown to have been severely damaged by volcanic activity, although this was only shown in the director's cut.
In the game Alien isolation, another salvage team finds the ship. They don't want no one else to find their salvage so they turned off the beacon. In the heavy metal comic book Adaptation version Dallas turns off the beacon.
Thanks. I like the theory that the people David killed on LV-223 were another "test" species, and not the actual Engineer Civilization. What do you think?
I don't see the point of the engineers they don't fit the world of alien, and by that I mean you can clearly see that they are not created by the same person who created alien. They're to humanoid, also the alien queen just made the whole aspect less alien, as referencing to insects to much with which we are familiar and introduced and old familiar concept instead of something alien and new.
David never Killed the engineers, nor was the sub species ever on Lv 223 either. Lv 223 was only a test site or production site for the black goo. He was supposed to fly to engineers home world but found another product of the engineers the “ sub species” somewhere else. Probably because it wouldn’t make sense that the engineers would ever let a space ship of mass destruction ever come close to one of their systems
what came out of the space jockey is what i'm curious about.
An Alien chest burst from the space jockey
An ultramorph.
I would like to see an Ultramorph. Maybe Alien Awakening.
An Ultramorph is something I definitely want to see in the next movie
Dont get your hopes up.. Ridlet tried to turn Alien into an Isaac Asimov novel.... do androids dream?
I luv Prometheus and everything Ridleys done up until the release of covenant since I wanted an actual sequel to the engineers , I was disappointed he went back to the mindless aliens ... been there done that! However ,I still enjoyed them for the simple fact that as long as Ridley is making them they will always be entertaining & id rather have something then nothing! Engineers is the way to go moving forward & David is an awesome addition , ridley needs to get the next film out , remaining engineers target David !
They are after the alien so badly yet they have access to all the goo a stone's throw away. Shrinks the universe a bit being so close, that's because in Prometheus it was meant to be lv426 and they decided to make it lv223.
"Black goo" = Ridley's version of Lucas' "midi-chlorians."
The answer to a question no one ever asked or wanted to know. :)
Great comment but black goo was from the first X-Files film and subsequently in the series which predated Lucas' prequels-
@@extantiasure but they didn't put them in a jar and spray all around the shop.
I was thinking about this. The Prometheus mission never found the beacon emanating from the derelict on LV-426 even the fact LV-223 is orbiting Calpamos, too. The only answer that came to my mind is the derelict wasn't there. Probably the pilot was infected by the creature many many years ago (maybe thousands of years) while the ship was travelling across the space and by chance it crashed on LV-426 AFTER what we watched on Prometheus. We watched on Alien that it was a huge hole close to the pilot's chair made by acid. I think this hole was provoked by the pilot's last effort on killing the creature he was gestating (remember engineers are quite resilient and hard bodied). This could explain why the Nostromo crew never found the fully developed xenomorph dormant and waiting for a prey. Also, that acid penetrated the derelict's hull so the whole atmosphere was lost in space drying off the pilot's corpse and made it to look fossilised and not rotten.
LV426? It's a rock, no indigenous life ..
Did IQs just drop sharply while i was away??!
wasn't it a derelict craft? ;)
@@butthead6051 yes pewdiepie became president
@@butthead6051 where you been?
I've been floating around in space for the past 57 years! Go get me a beer!
So this star system is just down the road from Earth, galactically speaking.
khartog01 uh-oh
Hmmmmm. So I wonder if those "thousands of eggs" are the former colonists of the Covenant?
Joel Witherspoon good thinking 🤔
@@Jesseg-rj6xf ah yes, replying a comment 2 years ago
Zack Immortal jerkoff....😁
Its interesting that both moons could orbit the same planet and that LV426 could have been a test base. But how/when did the massive ship crash there?
New to the channel and enjoying it. Question, is this channel Godzilla and Alien content heavy or would you cover other sci-fi series, perhaps RoboCop?!
I’ve always wondered what happened to the alien that burst out of the engineer’s chest in the derelict spacecraft...🤔
He’s in a K-pop band now.
Maybe It’s possible it became a queen and layed all those eggs but died of old age? No new hosts arrived till Ripleys crew
Interesting..thanks for all your efforts!
It occured to me that both moons orbited the same planet also. But with Dr. Shaw having visited various planets looking for the engineers home planet, I think that the moon should be elsewhere. That both moons orbit a ringed planet may have been chosen by the engineers because of an attraction for ringed worlds, or some other reason .
They didn’t blow up the atmospheric processor it was gonna blow on its own. Corporal Hicks , “How long until it blows?’ after Bishop explains the situation.
They did technically damage it in the firefight.
@@johndavidson2365 AND when the dropship crashed into it.
Very good review yes I like to see the planet in orbit with the other planet and not a single planet by itself but very good review
I liked the Xenos so much more before the black goo sacrilege.
Yeah. The Aliens should just be a naturally evolved species, that just happens to be insanely dangerous. And that we are just unlucky to encounter them. Because as with everything that can be used as weapons, some countries will do whatever it takes to get hands on it, and everything else is second priority.
Not only sacrilege but plagiarism-- alien black goo was originally from the X-Files first movie and series
black goo was a bullshit plot device so the writers could do whatever they wanted
If the two moons are orbiting the same gas giant why wouldn't the crew of the Nostromo have identified LV-223 as habitable?
It also seems odd that the colony wouldn't have noticed the structures on LV-223.
i know, and not pick up the signal from the derelict, or shaw's distress signal from Prometheus
@suprasylph Do you remember the point of the movie when they decide to get away from the Alien but can't because there aren't enough hyper-sleep pods on the shuttle? They could have hung out on the other moon instead being killed. I don't think both moons are in the same system despite was Scott says.
This is because the writers have written themselves into a corner.
@John Norris - edited: tl;dr - LV-223 was not habitable at all.
Do you remember Special Order 937?
"Priority one
"Insure return of organism for analysis.
"All other considerations secondary.
"Crew expendable."
Let's ignore the fact that Ridley Scott stupidly claimed that LV-223 was orbiting the same planet as LV-426, that this was retroactively shoehorned into existing canon and that none of this makes any sense at all. At least recognize the potency of Special Order 937 and Ash's determination to steer the crew into accomplishing his goals of securing the xenomorph. "All other considerations secondary," would pretty much imply that Ash, with MOTHER's help, would shepherd the crew into making sure that all of their attentions were focused on that beacon on LV-426, and that they were going to land on that planetoid, come hell or high water. I don't think that it's a stretch to say that Ash and MOTHER already knew that the beacon was, in fact, a warning. Let's also remember that LV-223 was ***NOT INHABITABLE***. The crew of the Prometheus was never seen outside of their environment suits until they were inside of the "temple." Remember that line about the carbon dioxide being at 3.8%, much higher than Earth's CO2 being at 0.039%, and how that scientist said that it would be like breathing through an exhaust pipe? There was nothing remarkable about LV-223 that would have distracted the crew from Special Order 937. Details of Prometheus's failure would either have been purposefully obfuscated so that Weyland-Yutani could take their time with a more comprehensive exploration later on and not worry about corporate competition, or people just kind of forgot that Peter Weyland died on LV-223.
Ya but how did the derelict space craft get there and why was it full of eggs? Is there a queen on board?
Was that derelict ship in the Aliens nuclear power plant explosion?
I choose to believe that the Prometheus and covenant are Not canon.
Eric Greep yes me too Ridly messed up the whole alien franchise
Me too
How is it that LV-426 is 39 light years away from Earth when it takes 1 week for a radio message to reach from Earth to LV-426 according to a dialogue from the deleted Hadley's hope scene in Aliens ?
And also ships travelling that distance in very less time ?
Warp drive like technology ?
By simple calculations , LV-426 is 181.44 billion kilometres away from Earth.... Almost 2 percent the distance of a Light Year....
wait you mean the alien did exist before David Created them, supposedly?
In the alien covenant novel its said that the engineers created a similar alien already. All David did was use a Human, instead of an engineer, it turns out, Humans have a unique reaction with the goo and we get the xenos like in the later movies. Its hinted in the movies...kinda, in a short film ridley put out called "the crossing", David mentions learning from the engineers from their "computers" on the derelict. I bet, he learns of the "process" here as well.
Yes the deacon, they use the blood of the deacon in the beginning of the movie the gold goo. Gold creates life and the synthetic version the black goo unfortunately creates death
There is some written error about the size of LV 426, based on the movie Prometheus and the late script by the revised version revealed that LV 426 is not a tiny planetoid that has 1200 km diameters(Lamber reports it in the first movie before the crew approaches it), actually a gas giant and similar to our earth in size, some speculation suggest that LV 426 size is even closer to 120K km diameters, closes to the Jupiter in our solar star system.
So are all the space ships in prometheus carrying the galactic marmite and how David contain it given that Elizabeth a compatible host is on board.
Good info.
Personally for me I wouldn't call it the black goo we all know from Alien Covenant that it's actually a nanite substrate.
It's easier to say "black goo" than it is to say "nanite substrate." It's the same reason why the US chose to stay with the Imperial system than go with the Metric system. "Miles." "Inches." "Pounds." "Ounces." Versus: Kilometers, centimeters, kilograms, liters. Single-syllable words work best. Keep it simple.
Suprasylph I get what you're saying I've always liked the more technical side of science fiction fancy words like nanite substrate, subspace inversion field, and Quantum mechanics get me excited
if david created xenos, how did that engineer have a whole ship of eggs
He created his own version of what they had with the gold goo in the beginning of the movie with the black goo. They were running out of the original blood of the deacon, the original alien (the gold goo) and when they ran out they created the black goo ( a synthetic version of the gold goo)
The gold goo creates life, the black creates death. David wanted to prove he could created an advanced form of life and used the black goo and engineered his own version of the life forms
Er hat die Eier nachträglich in das Schiff gebracht.
Acheron? Calpamos? I noticed Ridley Scott uses a lot of religious mythology for his ALIEN movies. "Covenant", like a written contract or agreement, but between who in this case?. Planet named after "purgatory place where souls travel". "Prometheus" - rebellious and audacious thief of God's knowledge. It's all Greek/Christian mythology. So what do the Aliens themselves represent then? If Ripley plays the Christ-like savior? What are the aliens themselves? We also see the personification of Judas throughout the ALIEN universe. Where a person or android betrays the group. Ash in the first Alien. Burke in the second. David represents the son of Abraham, whom commits adultery and sleeps with his friend's wife. This part might hurt some folks, and i say it with caution...
The aliens themselves could represent the Jews that went after Christ. Look carefully at the movies. They were relentless, hungry, determined. Think "Passion of the Christ" by Mel Gibson. She dies at the end of part 3, like Jesus. A Heroic death. Then in part 4-like the Bible usually claims-Ripley/Jesus is resurrected and she once again comes back to cleanse our sins.
I thought Ridley Scott was going to do a movie on how the derelict landed there.
So did everyone else. He subverted everyone's expectations... probably on purpose.
Whats lv 1201 then?
Doom and Aliens taught me we should never explore spooky looking moons
Hello Sci-Fi Explained guy!
at 2:10 we see the original Geiger Space Jocky seated in / fused to his pilot contraption where he supposedly becomes one with the juggernaut space ship. Cool and original idea and one that is perhaps amonst the best in the Sci-Fi genre.
How can any one say that these Space Jocky species are the same as the so-called 'enginners' ? In the opening scene inside the derilect, we see the landing party parctically dwarfed next to the pilot (I know they used kids in space suits to get this practical effect). That Space Jocky looks no where near like what the Prometheus engineer looks like, The head, face, neck, the elephentine trunk and the dimension of the entire body make this creature about 2-3 times as massive as a human!
What a pitty R.Scott had to ruin the magic of this original story line with that stuff which lacks originality, coherence or imaggination.
Do a vid on battleship aliens and battle los angeles aliens
Why would the company bother with terraforming 426 if the other with a breathable atmosphere is right there?
In ALIENS did the explosion of the nuke reactor damage or destroy the alien ship?
How far is that ship fr the colony base?
It's about 40 odd miles away from the colony 😎
@@lloydlyall8120 40 nautical miles?
That’s quite faraway.
But that nuclear reactor explosion was massive.
So you reckon that alien ship would have been affected or even damaged?
I can’t wait for the next Alien movie.
It’d better be good.
@@Melvorgazh i just remember reading that the ship was about 43miles away from the colony.
The ship would have been out of the blast zone when the reactor went critical and who knows what kind of materials the ship is made of so it may have survived the explosion had it been closer imo😎
@@lloydlyall8120 Ah, nice.
I also have read the very first 8th passenger book.
I wonder if that ship shall have a role again in an upcoming film.
The eggs should still be there. 😐
Still as dangerous as 43 years ago.
Plenty of stories possible.
Cheers,
Thomas from Belgium
@@Melvorgazh I'm surprised they haven't done it already tbh😎
In the novelization Alien, Ash explains that the derilect spacecraft had crashed into a cave like area and that whoever the people in the craft were they were killed by the Aliens. In the book there is no mention of any bodies or space jockey.
The book does mention the space jockey
the Nostromo was diverted to LV426 by Weyland-Yutani orders with the specific task to gather an alien lifeform. If nobody visited LV426 before, How can Weyland-Yutani know that there were a lifeform suitable for its weapons division? And if this lifeform is "weapon material", Why Weyland-Yutani sent a crew of a cargo ship to LV426 rather than a scientific or a military team? Why the crew wasnt awared that Ash was a robot? Why risking 20 billions of ore and all the equipment? Dallas knew about the plan and deliberated overpassed the quarantine protocol? And if he knew about the plan, Why he tried to kill the alien and not just enclose it?... (whatever the questions and the answers I love the movie)
Ash was instructed to take control once the Zenomorph was discovered and found out what it was capable of. It also appears that he had full access to Mother.
Dallas did not know what Ash was up to, he simply wanted to save Kane's life and ignored the safety protocols. Whether the company talked to Ash before he let Kane back inside is anyone's guess.
was the Alien Jokey Jumps or Flat
Clive Ellis
More background about the space jockey storyline is continued in the Alien comics and also other things which remains a mystery of the film plots
Its what we call a shake and bake colony.
You couldn't have made the video 3 seconds longer? :-)
Good shit
whats a space jockey?
"Space Jockey" was never canonized and therefore should stop being used all together. Finally glad folks now know that this is happening in Zeta R. system.
Jeff Bridges
craig harris
Try the comic part of Alien, it might change your view about the mystery behind the space jockey
More please
Everything after Aliens totally £#@%ed it up. The prequals rewrote the lore and wrecked it.
On top of that in the original Alien movie the space jockey was fossilized.
I don't know how they're going to explain that.… coherently.
easily excused, Dallas said it was "fossilizied". He is a pilot and not qualified to make that call, especially with an newly discovered unknown alien species.
That would be the usual cheesy way a Hollywood writer gets out of a corner they've written themselves into.
And by the way genius, any moron could tell the difference between a"fossilized" and non-fossilized object. You don't have to be a "scientist". I learned about fossilized wood in grade school. Pick up a piece of fossilized wood sometime, you can easily tell it's actually a rock.
Please continue giving us your in-depth reviews of the Alien films, they are so thoughtful and insightful.
And more to the point, the "Space Jockey" would become mummified not fossilized. Fossilization happens in a completely different manner. An abandoned Juggernaut and its contents could only become fossilized under very different circumstances. But either way, the original Alien movie does not match up with the current Ridley Scott prequels. Pity.
Bull Shit, just bad writing in the new movies.
I love parts of the Alien Universe, mainly around Alien, Alien Isolation, a bit of Aliens and a bit of Prometheus.
Prometheus, however, and especially Covenant have created issues though and completely drifted away from the Alien story with the creator nonsense.
Why not stick to the theme and tell the story from a Weyland Yutani perspective or make a story about the Space-Jockey? They could have gone much deeper into the topic fo Alien and what made it so successful. I dont even understand the monetary motivations. Surely there are enough people who would get hyped for something a bit closer to the original.
For the moon itself, I like that Isolation picks up on it. Isolation as a movie would have been great. But probably that's just me though.
riquelmeone Agreed. The whole plot line the Prometheus set up and Covenant followed up on is trash. It was so much cooler and creepier when the space jockey was a mystery and the aliens were an unknown entity. Hell, I’d argue the extended universe before the black goo storyline was cooler when it was a total mystery where the aliens came from.
Ripley never blew the place up, the atmosphere processor overloaded after the crash
The queen must not have understood the atmosphere processor lady saying “Attention. Emergency. All personnel must evacuate immediately.”
If Alien Awakening does get made, it should
have the same brilliant grimey, biomechanichal look
as Alien.
I'm afraid the term biomechanical is actually nonsense it seems.
Just because it looks like metal, or a device, or even bones, it doesn't mean that it's biomechanical. It's mechanical when it got actual mechanical parts which even humans have plenty of.
It's more like insectoid in the movies. And metal insectoid in the arts. Because of its exo skeleton like structure. Maybe there is even a better term. Because when people think of insectoid they think of antennas and fly eyes instead of a hive minded two mouthed extra terrestrial super predator with extreme acidic blood.
Both of the questions.
Ridley will never repeat the success of his first Alien movie. Instead he is messing up.
+vunderground1 Yeah, the movie about Earth's dumbest scientists taking their helmets off minutes after landing on a strange planet and then getting lost despite superior mapping tech is THAT much better.
Adrian Matos except that time that the sequel was better. AlienS>Alien
Yup, because he didn't write the original.
He is a good director, but he is an awful writer.
Tom Foolery alien & aliens are two different movies. Alien it's a sci-fi horror film, Aliens it's a sci-fi action film. But both are great. I love 'em both.
Tom Foolery Aliens is directed by James Cameron.
It is obvious the burnt hole that Kane discovered in the derelict lead out of the ship and into an underground cave complex.
I just watched that movie
Alien vs Predator vs Engineer vs David
..vs Godzilla..
Ridley Scott must of burnt his brain during the 80's
So, David converted the Embryos into new eggs
Diabolical Dr. Saturnyne
The Space Jockey storyline from the comic franchise of Alien will elucidate you about how exactly things emerged
It makes sense that the two moons are in the same planets orbital system being that the names are so similar. Nice video.
The names including LV is also a bit of a hidden meaning and hints to religion, as LV is short for Leviticus ;)
www.alien-covenant.com/topic/27243
James Cameron ruined what could have been a great sequel. But what can you expect from him.
Zeta Reticla is where real ufologist claim THE GREY ALIENS COME FROM
The mestic and mystery of the original Alien is being destroyed by the new movies, and this is sad.
An amazing opportunity lost by Ridley Scott to make some excellent Alien prequel's, destroyed by Hollywood executives.
I don't like the idea that t both moons orbit the same planet.
The race that David bombed weren't even the Engineers. The Space Jockey isn't even an Engineer at all, there are major differences between the two.
I agree with you on the differences, but I'd add that Ridley Scott, confirmed both, the p4 people are engineers, and the jockey is an engineer.
@@scifiexplained
Well, you should know that he tends to mix things up and then change his claims. Just like he's ignored the AVP which shows the history the Yautja had with hunting the Xenomorphs.
Ridley Scott destroyed the Alien mythos - single-handedly. I used to love his work. It was visually distinct, beautifully shot - but he truly pulled his pants down and mooned the Alien Franchise with his Prometheus nonsense - and by undermining Neil Blomkamp’s attempted Alien reboot(?).
ExPlAiNeD what ??
Aliens...Predators.....both can be shot by kinetic energy weapons...both bleed.
Both mothers names is Martha?
Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are.
I hated both Prometheus and Covenant. Ridley f'ed up the Alien Legacy as far as I'm concerned.
when you look back at alien. 3 ..it's light years in front of what come later !!!! people had a problem with newt and hicks dieing ...but this isn't a fairy story!!! alien 3 was dark and gritty......and for me has the perfect ending ....alien started with Ellen...it ended with Ellen.!!!! now why don't we start an new story ...with amy ...the game alien isolation...is were to start !!!! Disney. fox ..what's the hold up ????????????
Prometheus was awesome then covenant went sour
The binary star system is Zeta Reticuli not Zeta2 Reticuli!!!!
Uh-oh, some editing is required then ;)
memorydelta.wikia.com/wiki/Calpamos
Actually, the individual stars in that binary star system are known as Zeta 1 Reticuli (ζ1 Ret) and Zeta 2 Reticuli (ζ2 Ret). In real life, Zeta 2 Reticuli has a pancake-shaped debris disc orbiting it instead of planets. The distance between Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are around 3,700 AU (AU = astronomical unit; a single AU is 149,597,870,700 meters - the distance between the Earth and the Sun.) So, yes, it was factually accurate for Lambert to have reported, "I found it, just short of Zeta2 Reticuli. We haven't reached the Outer Rim yet."
Mmmmmm okay ✌️
They blew it after Aliens....sequel after sequel just got too unfocused. The stories just got too dark or just refused outright to give a good ending.
And i don't know about the moon.
Why didn't the company send the nostromo to lv233. I was disappointed with prometheus, modern science doesn't support the idea of a creator. I wish the jockey was andvanced A.I part organic, Searching the galaxy for any signs of life to add it to the genome of the xenomorph DNA sequence. It visited earth in the distant past collected human specimens dissolved them and added their DNA to the black goo. How else would a facehugger be compatible with humans, just the right size to fit a human head and all. When it all went wrong it evacuated our system at speed and somehow ended up on LV 426. The jockey, sent out by some ancient and powerful civilisation to create the perfect organism containing every sentient life in the galaxy's genetic coding. Once compleat it would return with its valuable cargo. The civilisation would then create a race of xenomorphs, powerful and diverse. they would unleash them on their enemies in an all mighty civil war that's been raging around the galactic core for millennia.
I wish Ridley Scott would explain once and for all what was his idea behind theses terrible movies...
For me, all that “Prometheus” mess looks like his revenge to the franchise... Him stating: “Alien” wasn’t meant to have sequels at all!
Unexpectedly there appeared some idiots claiming that “Prometheus” was great. So asked by profit motivated company to make another one, he went classical “hold my beer” and spawned even worse “Alien: Covenant”.
This is the only logical explanation for why these movies were filmed at all.
Ash describes LV-426 as "...deep cold...way below the line..." Black goo does not move moons, or the planets they orbit, farther from their host star. Don't care what some author fantasizes. The derelict crashed, mostly like because a chest-burster killed the pilot. Planet for experiments? Hard to imagine how that would work. {smh}
what???? who said goo moved anything? only said that the prequel films list lv-426 as a test site for the substance. Works just fine, don't know what is so confusing?
LV-426 is deep cold, receives little solar radiation, suffers high winds, has an atmosphere that is ostensibly toxic, and has a high rotational speed. Probably should be tide-locked to its host planet. Whatever.
These factors impair scientists. You would need beefier equipment. Risks to the health of your own kind would be very high. Little to no impact was obvious to the facehuggers.
It would make more sense to use a sterile planet or moon as a test site. More solar radiation is a power source. Higher gravity doesn't require silly movement tricks such as the astronaut hop. No wind means grit insinuates itself into equipment less aggressively. It should present itself as at least as tough a barrier to spreading anything escaping from a lab.
So, if one wished to use LV-426 as a test site, it makes more sense only if LV-426 were closer to its host star. Aliens is a fun movie, but screws the pooch here. No amount of atmosphere engineering will take a frozen moon and transform it into one that people can walk around on the surface without vacc suits.
What DO WE THINK is a STUPID QUESTION, because its answer is IRRELEVANT to a fictionnal and incomplete story. For instance WTF has to do with PREDATOR? Why do not then relate it with Starwars as well, or even StarTrek?? BULSHIT !!
It makes sense that the moons are closer together. Such a missed opportunity; I could see the Youtja using the moon as a training ground for young Predators.
Should have just left it as a mysterious alien race long dead that was carrying aliens,much more interesting story,the prequel franchise should be left alone,ruined just about every great Hollywood story
I hate where Ridley Scott is taking the Alien franchise.
shallah777
Lucky day for you , check it out the Alien Comics storyline and no questions need anymore just imagination, finally.....
In the next Alien film, David should offer his death to the Engineer race so that the Engineers will help David's xenomorphs become self-aware. Alien Covenant teased xenomorphs being self-aware, especially through David's interaction with the neomorph, and therefore it makes sense for the sequel to complete this journey.
David should become the Space Jockey, and in return his creatures get to become like him
Thomas H Cullen WTF? Don't ruin the story even more.
It would be the evolution of the story, and shine over all the other stories in the franchise. David needs to become the Space Jockey, and in return his xenomorphs can be helped by the Engineers
Check the Alien comics it’s fill the film’s storyline gaps
Who cares? They should have stopped after Aliens...it's been all down hill since for the series.
I believe that anyone who starts an argument with the words 'Who cares?', especially when it's obvious that many people care, has lost the argument by default.
@@epiendless1128 I think that he know it. He wanted to display his disgust with wrong decisions studio made. And I agree that not everything is as should be (well is only on Giger) but also I want to tell that not everything is lost. Scott do not do same style movies anymore. Not so much focused on characters rather than universe or mythos. Little sad but we will see I hope it will be rewarding to wait.
Would have been nice if you warned us of spoilers for alien covenant. You've ruined it for me now. Thanks
Peter Crowe
RIP
Good joke. :-)
Gmail com I'm waiting for a decent torrent
No need for questions just check out the comic storyline of Alien .
It might be the what expected in all those years....especially mysteries solved, clearly explained
For example the Space Jockey in the comics he appears as obese elephant like with humanoid body and the storyline is very elaborated about that creature
prometheus, the black goo and prequels bunch, are just crap with nothing interesting. the lv 426 is just a rock, no test site.
I want LV223 to not exist