@@faerieSAALE hahaha! I don’t think he had a choice! It looked like it went down to his toes and this is a big Engineer! But the face hugger was massive! Ughhh!
The one, unifying constant across all of these mediums, stories and iterations of the Xenomorph are real life executives that probably shouldn't have meddled in the development of the series, the lore and it's art.
I want an rts game that is set in the Era of the book that is right after the events of ALIENS. A cult brings aliens to earth, and the entire military, including the colonial marines, are desperately trying to defend planetary evac sites. Would be epic. In the book, an engineer ship is waiting for the humans to leave, to decimate the xenomorphes, as the engineers entire weaponry, has been developed specifically around thier absolute hate for xenomorphs. A shame I can't rember the name. I am 33 now, and I read the book when I was 12. Fantastic book, really gripped me.
I think you might have a point there, laddy. Coked up business people have no vision. It could be argued that they have genius. I believe it is fleeting, judging by the direction the series took. It never looks good when the execs step in, but there you have it.
As much as people hate on this thing, I do like it’s design. I know it’s a “not-xenomorph” that they used to associate with Alien, but I like the idea of the sharpened head and the Goblin Shark mouth.
12:35 I really like that art piece of the deacon walking up the mountain with the expanse of valley landscape behind. Imagine being out in a place like that on some kind of off-grid backpacking hike and seeing that wandering in your direction.
I think if you read the original script it makes a TON of sense. It’s just a shame because these movies were about exposition and the studios wanted more “alien” stuff. It’s really hard to tell stories in an alien movie. If this was put out as purely a story driven movie it would have been so much better. Lots of random scenes that weren’t needed cut have been cut to put in more exposition - like the bizarre and pointless sex scene on the ship.
I wish Covenant had explored this evolution rather than explain away the Alien by saying David made it. In my mind the Alien already existed when we see Prometheus, is at this due to the mural. This makes the Alien more mythical and foreboding. The Deacon is a clue to the origin of the Alien, nothing more. The comic book mountain idea is far out! I think it could work as a film but remove the Deacon from the story. The goo mutated a mountain, or perhaps the vegitation. Exploring how the goo alters living matter is interesting. Maybe if the mountain organism touched a mechanical object this is where the biomechanical creature concept could emerge. It is a shame Covenant didn't go in this direction. I still want a sequel though!
Michael Gerrard I think the Engineers took a species, maybe closer to the deacon?, and after experimentation created the true xenomorph. David’s creature in Covenant isn’t the real one yet. It didn’t spawn as a chestburster and appeared to be much larger. We also don’t see a Queen so maybe David made the eggs using animals. I think in the films David is trying to recreate the species then improve them. The mural you pointed out and the fact that the ship on the planet in Alien was so old the Engineer fossilized does mean Xenomorphs are older than David. He is trying to recreate them. Which means the video was a bit wrong. The eggs in Alien were Engineer made due to the age of the craft. The xenos in Aliens and Alien 3 are descendants of that hive too. So, the only xenos in the main films that aren’t engineer made are in Resurrection.
The thing is though, that the black goo only transmutates fauna and not flora, leaving vegetable matter intact. I wonder how far down the biological species scale it works. Bacteria? Viruses? We know it turns small insects into what David called "the shock troops".
Agreed. This movie has so many interesting things but we got nothing. Covenant is even worse, turned it into pop corn action horror. They should remake this movie, reshoot, fix everything, make it 4 hours if they have to.
I love how the movie tapped into evolutionary concepts. The giant mother of all "face-huggers" when it attacked the engineer near the end of Prometheus. Later the deacon is born from the engineer's torso. I loved it. The Deacon's appearance was dead on in my opinion. It was exactly the way it should have been.
@@phantomreaver85 I thought that same thing but it wouldn’t work in alien universe because the writers made the engineers the creator of humans and maybe aliens but I don’t think they ever explained where xenomorphs/“Decon” came from in the movies and what is black goo where it came from why it’s react differently on different life forms I think it your theory would make sense that engineers found an alien species and turn them into monsters so they can use them as weapon against humans if we ever turn against them but they failed couldn’t complete the project and crashed on that planet and David continued the unfinished project which originally engineers started the end 😊
@@lola-to9om A point I think most are forgetting; the black goo was similar to the black substance the engineer drinks at the beginning of Prometheus to dissolve himself into his component DNA to create life on Earth. The earlier black goo wasn't intended to create Xeno's until the Engineers modified it to kill humanity. Or possibly it just had a severe affect on the native life on LV426. Interestingly when they announced Aliens coming out I had an idea for a survival RPG one-shot arc where Marines are sent to rescue people kidnapped by pirates using LV426 as a base. When they get there they discover everyone dead and the place crawling with Xeno's and it becomes a survive and escape. I'd named the planet after one of the various names of hell; and was amused when the movie came out and we discovered that LV426 was now called Acheron; which is another name for hell, just as I imagined. I've forgotten the name I was going to use, "Tartarus" maybe.
you know what i liked about it?? the size, when you see the first chest burster, its the size of say a foot. the Decon was the size of say a 7 year old child. seeing how they grow so quick, wonder how big the Decon could get?? it looked like the mural, what the Engineers worshiped. maybe when the Engineers could reproduce, they came into contact with the black goo and a Decon was born. dunno just spit balling here lol..
@phantomreaver, did you read the scripts?!? That’s exactly what they started with! The first deacon was a god the engineers worshipped and used his blood to create new life. Everything else was an attempt for them to recreate the Deacon. Apparently the first one was sentient and not a violent predatory animal.
I was on the golf course riding beside my hubby in a cart when we both saw a perfectly constructed alien from spare parts on someone’s back patio! Almost had a cardiac incident is how real it looked!
Ugh... what a mess. This is what happens when you get too many "creative minds" coming into a universe that they (think) they know, and then trying to be different. You wind up with a storytelling nightmare (not in a good way). Everyone thinks their "new twist" to the Alien universe is better and more "edgy", when all they're really doing is diluting the DNA of the original story, and convoluting and confusing the timeline and ancestry of the xenomorph. Even Ridley Scott has changed so much that he decided that the idea of Artificial Intelligence out of control was a scarier concept than the xenomorph. I have all the respect for Ridley Scott in the world, and I understand that he thinks that the Xenomorph has been done ad nosium. But look at where we are; it wasn't the idea of androids that put butts in theater seats. Once again, it was the idea of knowing MORE about the Xenomorph and it's origins that brought people back to the franchise in droves. That said, while Ridley is a phenomenal film maker, and his expert grasp on cinematography is unmatched, I really think he's lost touch with the franchise and why audiences return again and again to be terrified by the Alien creature.
rockn roll totally agree. This is what I said after watching 1.5 fan shorts that started out with the fox logo..The fact that there’s fox logos at the beginning makes me think they’re putting a little money into a bunch of these to see if one really resonates and then they can expand it and make the next film along the best one’s lines. Which is such a diluted and artificial way of making art. I believe that’s the problem. It’s now so much more about business than art. Despite easily half of the best movies of all time were box office flops. And lots of box office hits turned out to have zero staying power or long term success. Take the goddam bean counters out of it and stop letting them micromanage everything. Successful writer/producers ONLY. Nothing about this post had to do with this video, just FYI
Oh please. There are fantasy books out there on scale of Epics that have worlds so much more complicated with lots of made up places, concepts and creatures they make Alien looks like a kids picture book. You guys need to expand your imagination... and memory while you're at it.
Heyo Han Books/Comics/Novellas and TV/Movie/Video are totally different things. Text-only allows you to imagine your own specifics, nuisances and allows for a much more complete and self-satisfying endeavor because you make it your own. They’re not comparable in the way we are discussing the creation, application, and execution of these stories into film. That’s why it’s virtually unanimous that books are always better than movies because of the reasons I listed above, as well as others. Film confines the creators by technological and scope limitations, as well as budgets obv. Short novels, comics, and even some of these short films they’re producing are much more of a niche market and as much as the entertainment industry has focused almost solely on profits, those media types and formats will remain that way. Example: there’s a cool alien comic story about a crazy doctor who has captured xenomorphs and conducts all imaginable manner of tests on them, leading to some really intriguing plot lines and possibilities, but the scope necessary to attempt to form that into any sort of film or tv production would be incredibly daunting and would be hard to condense down into a sub-3 hour movie or even broken up into a season of 10 hour long episodes to do it any sort of justice. It’s just a different type of media. Both are have good things and bad things about them, but like I had mentioned, unfortunately finances dictate most of everything so there may be awesome fictional universes out there, very worthy of our attention, some (the majority) people won’t even bother unless it’s in a more “consumer friendly” packaging for consumption.
@mb v Oh the irony. Aren't you the ones that are whining??? LOL Hypocrite much? Also, where did I say anything about the Lovecraftian genre.. you think THAT was what I was talking about? Not even close, I'm not talking about a creature you can't fathom, but a completely new world where everything is made up and there are hundreds of characters and places to remember. Try reading "Gardens of the Moon", your pea-brain would melt. ANYWAY, critics like you think you know what you want but you don't. Why would you want the same old shit that was Alien? Its already been done. You're clinging to nostalgia like a baby on a tit and you can't let go. Prometheus and Covenant were amazing.
its actually been revealed that the xeno at the end of Prometheus is not a real deacon. It's more a deacon of death. It cannot be used to create new life like the original. Because It came from the black goo
They overcomplicated this so much. I like the idea of different forms of Xenomorphs but they went overboard when they're all, functionally, basically the same, it did not need to be this complicated unless there were going to be some massive differences in abilities from the Deacon vs a regular Xenomorph with traits of whatever it birthed from. The black goo was such a cool concept, sad they dropped the ball in the movies, I even like the idea of giant mountain deacon, like make the goo create crazy variations we don't expect, coulda been really scary and cool.
At this point, the alien franchise needs a massive reboot, highlighting the personal horror of the first film and escalating it over the films (or series), explaining us the origins of the aliens and the human race in a coherent, well connected and not disjointed way.
@@Blobbyo25what are you 12? All alien Romulus is is Alien: the greatest hits 1979-2012. Repackaged, refried and a repurposed soft remake of alien 1979.
There was also concept art where the Deacon seemed to be transforming into either a Neomorph or Xenomoprh as if its genetic material was still unstable.
I really like the idea of the mountain deacon it’s very creative and even makes you feel kind of bad for this monster that’s been forced to be in complete pain for over a century
I like the idea of the Xenomorph as always being stumbled upon. Even by the engineers , a cold intelligent mystery that has no true beginning. Can’t be controlled or understood.
None of this explains how the eggs got on the ship in the first alien movie obviously that ships been there longer than David's version of the xenomorph.
@@OniDasAlagoas Haha, good joke. Everything's just become further convoluted, so far - can't tie it all together with a single movie, there's not enough run time.
I agree @jacob weatherford. We clearly see the xenomorph from alien at the end of covenant and see that david designed the facehugger... So then how did they on the other moon from an engineer on an engineer's ship? The timeline doesn't work.
@@jamesmills2041 from what ive heard david didnt make the xenomorphs from the first movie so much as hes been working to recreate them from the black goo.
This isn't that convoluted.. The deacons biomass has exponentially grown because of the radical AI of the Chemical A0-3959X.91 - 15. That shit is limitless when it comes to mutating organic material
Holy crap...the idea to emulate that iridescent blue of the Deacon's skin after a horse placenta was _indeed_ scary and beautiful. How the hell do people come up with this stuff lol.
I think it would have been interesting if the deacon was the predecessor to the xeno lineage as a whole, only producing actual xenomorph-like quallities when it grew into the mountain, and became a hive that produced the first legitimate facehuggers. That is to say, the surrounding fauna and flora would be directly derived from the deacon, as it became the environment. To put me idea simply, after having grown into a mountain, the deacon would produce a cloud of mutating spores that would go on to develope traits based on their new biome. The Spores that lingered in the in the deacon's interior latched back on to their still mutating progenitor like a parasite, developing into the first eggs, only awakening when a new source of genetic material was present. In short: The Xenomorphs as we know them are the decendants of the deacon that evolved to be parasitic, as apposed to the rest of the life on the planet that evolved into their own forms of hard to kill plant life, and harder to escape animal life.
But didn’t the whole Spores thing happen on the Engineers planet that David attacked and the spore-mushrooms are what produced the Neomorphs (beluga xenos?)?
The Deacon is an amazing creature. I would love for it to have a film of its own, something like alien where it's the only mature one. The mountain idea is crazy, and I think it wastes the deacon a little but it's base idea is brilliant.
I think they could possibly use it as a queen variant of xenomorphs. Like if deacon layed eggs that made facehuggers and if they encountered humans it would make a queen xeno. Would be a cool concept to explore, you dont really hear much on how queens come about in the franchise. Edit: it also fits into the bioweapon theme; queen xeno = xeno factory, deacon = queen factory. It's like a cluster bomb that could escalate quickly.
The mountain is a very Lovecraftian touch. I could see how you would find it ridiculous, but I personally think the story would be cliche driven without that one aspect. It gives it such a sense of weirdness and incomprehensible biology. that is what the black goo is all about.
This could have been so simple: remove the black goo element and just make the engineers the creators of many lifeforms, the xenomorphs being their greatest creation which ultimately destroyed them. The deacon should have just been what an engineer/xeno hybrid looked like. There, that's it.
The Black Goo served a very logical purpose... it disintegrates all non-botanical life forms for Engineers to start over. Then suddenly it became like the T-Virus from Resident Evil.
Exactly and that's why I saved the Deacon is the key to peace with the engineers and with the xenomorphs because by accident and there visit to LV whatever whatever they recreated the first deacon which the engineers need to reproduce
the xeno in the bas relief WAS the deacon. this seems to be debated way too much for some odd reason. the Deacon in the mural was just an earlier concept design post the Ultramorph.
Blaming Ridley Scott and his crew for coming up with a creature design that you personally don't like ? I've read tons of comments saying how cool the "deacon" looks ... obviously with every new creature design there are going to be people who dislikes it .. Personally I love how the "deacon" looks .... its very surreal looking, Giger would appreciate how cool it looks too ... And even if you do not like the design, you cannot deny how tangibly real the deacon looks compared to other cgi monsters of other movies in our current time ... Come on, you guys are bashing just because it seems trendy to do so to target 80s great directors going back to their classics ... its a stupid trend, seriously look at your stupid self behaving in childish mob mentality ...
YES. Thankyou. So much effort trying to embrace this and explain it through in something bizarre and ridicuous When all you need to understand is a bunch of bad fucking writers came up with some garbage Just think of you or me coming up with some crap after drinking a few beers. Thats what happened.
I love the fact the mural has finally been noticed and the chamber itself reminded me of a chapel or a crypt as well a xeno nursery. After reading the original dark horse volumes 1-6 I came to believe that the goo was royal jelly or a substance derived from it. The idea that a droid created the species was an immediate f**k up for me considering the overlapping nature of the AVP franchise and many cameos of xeno trophies in a timeline before Prometheus. The deacon would be a off shoot hybrid only due to the trilobites conception after holloways exposure to an element that was derived from the original xenos. As much as I love this franchise the most recent iterations are completely out of sync with the rest of the alien universe and lead the story to what could originally have been an interesting origin or side story but completely destroyed the little sense it had instead. But it's just my opinion.
Imma watch Prometheus just one more time (it's my 34th, lol). I just love the whole concept for engineers, and how life was planted on Earth. Too bad many just wanted same blood and gore... instead of embracing new concepts and ideas. Haters gonna hate. You did great, Ridley Scot! 💯
@creaturedomes9364 OMG, seriously? Why you MAGA supporter always bring politics into everything and anything... this is exactly why aliens 👽 don't visit us!
Very interesting, and easy to follow... As a fan from the original Alien movie (1979), I'm completely transfixed to see where this will end, and having discovered where the gas giant that lv426 & lv223 is, really located, only makes a person really wonder, 'what's out there, in the depths of space, where 'no one can hear you scream'
The Deacon was a bold move on the part of the concept artist - it shows the many different types of genes of the Xenomorph which can develop. It is truly exciting and scary. Alien movies can be so much more. There are so many different ways one can design and explore in movies. This is what makes the Alien and Predator movies so much fun to watch.
I personally love the idea that the deacon would keep growing thanks to the black goo and become a mountain, I feel like it shows off how powerful and God like the goo is especially if you don't think it was simply created by the engineers, I love the idea that this small creature was left alone on a lifeless world and just grew into a land mass
The writers need to decide whether or not the engineers came first or the predators, then build upon that. In my opinion the predators seem to be more technologically advanced than the engineers, they could reference back to AVP, how the predators used ancient earth civilizations to breed xenomorphes for their right of passage. They could’ve used a different alien species that was a worthy opponent at the time for their customs on Engineer people. Engineers got fed up, fought back and used the technology left behind to create super soldiers, that we saw in Prometheus. Still holding a grudge, engineers created the black goo, with the intention of using it as a bio-weapon, but later discovered its genetic mutation properties. And decided to play the role of gods just like their predecessors before them, creating life on earth. Hence why they are seen still wearing simple clothes, keeping to the same customs of simple early civilization before the predators came. This would make the predators the actual bad guys. David The Android did not completely create the xenomorphes but mearly some what completed a recipe that the engineers prototyped to use as a weapon against the predators since they were so advanced in combat. They needed something better, stronger, and faster. Since the engineers had multiple outposts, let’s say one did complete the xenomorphe recipe we know today, predators discovered a worthy foe, taking us back to why it was used civilizations on earth. And why in Alien 1 a engineers ship is loaded with face huggers, with the destination of predator home planet, was attacked by predators, crash landed, and how the predators came into contact with xenomorphes. So this leaves room for a new species of aliens yet to be discovered, and a war between engineers and predators. Again this is just my opinion on how the story could be saved.
I love Prometheus so much (if you add in a couple of the deleted scenes). The real tragedy was what they did to Alien Covenant. Fox really has been fucking up their properties for years. I desperately hope Ridley Scott gets to do a third and final movie in his series and I hope it deals with the engineers more and xenos less!
The next movie is already confirmed, it will tie up most of the engineer story hopefully. Covenant was a waste of story and sadly just turned potentially the trilogy into a David (stupid character who also breaks lore) arc
@rockn roll David was far from being one of the highlights of the movie. The character was badly written. Injustice to what he was in Prometheus. The only reason you might think he was a highlight in Covenant is because he was the centre of the story. He was shoved on our throat. And that's the reason I hated the character.
I don't want Ridley Scott anywhere near the next movie. He was responsible for cutting out the bulk of the legitimately good ideas when it came to Covenant and for pushing David rather than any actually interesting characters.
imho they should have stuck mostly with the original xenomorph + very few sensible main varieties, now its look "look look look, we made a new one again". Sometimes less is far more.
I loved the Deacon, as short as his appearance was. I also have a 12 inch figure of the Deacon, and have asked Carlos would he mind me doing a 3 foot model of the "baby face" concept neomorph. That translucent look is central to a lot of Carlos Huante's creature art, so it has to be to this creature.
The mountain deacon is freaking awesome! So damn creative. I don’t want deacons to just be larger xenos. I love this lovecraftian horror element much more interesting!
I think the Deacon should be it’s own organism, separate from the Xenomorphs. Essentially: Xenomorphs are natural organism, while the Deacon is an Engineer-made creature. Hey @SciFi_Explained, I like your idea of an expanded universe. Would the Deacon being separate from the Xenomorphs work for you?
Sure, in the expanded universe, there were stories of natural aliens coming from xenomorph prime. The prometheus stuff in in a seperate expanded universe.
The only way I could see the mountain twist working is if the black substance made the Deacon require food. I am no biologist, but even I know that nutrition helps growth rates. Although, Mt. Deacon being immobile because of it's size and wheigh is plausible, which I do like.
After watching prometheus, I was extremely irritated and confused, since imo, almost nothing in that movie makes any sense, and instead of properly addressing any of the questions we had about the xenomorph life cycle and origins, only further complicated things by giving us more questions with no answers. I was HOPING that covenant would clear things up, but it somehow managed to make things even MORE confusing. After that, I turned my back on the new installments of the franchise completely, but I wasn't able to forget all my unanswered questions, so I set about trying to find answers on the internet. I was hoping that the director or writers or *somebody* behind production really did have a good, solid idea of how it all works/fits together and the films just did a really poor job executing it. But that didn't seem to be the case. It seems more like they just snorted crack and made some movies vaguley set in the same universe. The most annoying thing to me about my search for answers thus far has been that most videos or essays or whatever just kind of . . . seem to be indicative of the auther/creator believing that the prometheus lore makes total and complete sense and they just aren't smart enough to understand it, but they are pretending to anyway. ALL that is to say; this video is probably the first one I have come across that acutually makes any real strides in explaining this shit in a way that makes ANY sense. So, well done.
I still would like to see the massive Beluga Xenomorph realized someday, Neomorph was fine but Im kinda bothered it died so easily. Plus I like that idea they had of it being based on a placenta, those do have strange colors. I remember we supposedly were going to get a fight between a surviving one and the Protomorph, it would've been cool, made me think of old paleoart of Australopithicus fighting baboons with a stone or leg bone.
I kind of like the idea that the "black goo" isn't anything created by the engineers, but rather mass produced by them. Imagine them traveling the vast universe, and they come across this planet that had these strange life forms, and they come across the source of it being this strange substance produced naturally by the planet. Then they take this substance and engineer their own uses for it. That would explain the mural (to me), because I don't see them creating some sort of church like room for something they created. Otherwise, where's the human's mural room? haha!
Black goo is a bioweapon on earth found at Thule island and the reason behind Falkland War. It is very dangerous and some was taken as samples to Porton Down by UK. It can mimic and become anything. You should research that. It's not just a movie idea.
"Fox went back on the Deacon guys. Sorry, gotta redo the storyline. Anyone got any ideas?" "Hear me out, it's Aliens, but, the Deacon's a mountain.... a Mountain Deacon." *slow claps I personally hate it and I'm sure Ridley does too
The deacon always intrigued me, the mountain part in fire and stone is rather a waste when compared to all the other aspects the series adds. With the rumor that a future sequel will return to LV-223. I hope it can add in the mutated forests, possibly more creatures created by the goo from the ship. And a more accurate deacon.
I don't understand the naming convention. Deacons in churches that say masses in the vernacular don't wear hats and in the Latin rite they wear Barrettas which look nothing like that. I think they were thinking of bishops.
Lol I wouldn't be surprised if they thought "Ah shit, we've already had a character called "Bishop", so we'll call it "Deacon"...that's close enough right...?"
If you saw the text onscreen, they were originally thinking of a Bishop’s hat (called a mitre), but ended up calling it a Deacon, probably for that exact reason (that they already had a character called Bishop)- they just didn’t say the last part about already using “Bishop”. I was curious why they called it the Deacon, as well- in fact that’s the reason I watched the video.
I honestly think the prequels kinda helped it out but for some reason you need a deleted scene from promethus that shows the engineers talking and explaining why they're disappointed and think the Android is like a false creation. And that's why David goes and tries to make his own human alien hybrid. But you also need an excerpt from the last novelization of covenant to explain David trying to fix our human mistakes when making him.
As far as I'm concerned, it ended with James Cameron's "Aliens". Everything else was/is a cash grab, capitalizing on nostalgia, and some predictable jump scares.
Ridley Scott had his own vision for the Alien arc.Elizabeth could have been the new Ripley and more of Engineers origins and culture were planned for the upcoming projects... but blame the fans for it for backlashing Prometheus for not having Xenomorphs that forced Ridley and the studio to scrap all the plans and we got Alien Covenant.
From what I’m reading on here, seems like some Folks just don’t want to think too much?? In my opinion, Prometheus was a great movie, a really inspiring change of Direction and one well worth looking further into!!
I actually really enjoy this stroyline with the engineers. everything about it is so interesting and leaves room for some really cool movies in the future
The film Prometheus was spawned from a question that no one ever asked Ridley Scott. Who was the "Space Jockey" seen in the first Alein? This question got Ridley thinking and spawned a whole wider Alien universe.
@@MrBVapeApe in the AVP novels from the early 90s, the author played with the idea that the 'space jockey' is a female Predator and the race has extreme sexual dimorphism like we see in nature sometimes here on Earth when the male and female of a species are vastly different in both size and appearance. Their role in Predator warrior society was to scout for planets with animal life unworthy of a hunt and descend down and carpet bomb facehugger eggs, which weren't simply eggs, they were an airborne delivery package. They cause a xenomorph infestation and the space jockey alerts nearby males looking for a hunt that she created worthy prey and lots of it.
The Deacon was unknowingly left on the planet from Prometheus. If the mural is indeed portraying a Deacon, this would/should confirm that Alien:Awakening is referencing the Deacons turn on the big-screen. This means we will get an epic conclusion to Scotts prequel movie trilogy. My guess is Engineers are still alive elsewhere & comes to a crazy war eventually leading to Humans teaming up with their Creators, Engineers, to overcome the extinguishment of their kinds
Really enjoyable video- they had some really great ideas and some really shite ideas, and I just wanted to say thanks for displaying and explaining them all (or at least, a good amount of them). I have only seen the movies up to Prometheus, and none of the video games or comics, so most of this was new to me. Good or bad, it was still very interesting. Thanks again!
The trilobites and xenomorphs remind me of wasps that lay eggs inside a caterpillar 🐛 then the caterpillar get eaten alive from the inside by the wasp larvae until they burst the caterpillar open and are born 😬😬😬😬
Supreme Tez VLOGS oh yes that is called a parasite wasps yeah very disgusting indeed good thing there only into insects with special smell aka caterpillar 🐛 and and aphids and even ants 🐜 to if it wasn’t for that we would have been fucked already LITERALLY 😳
Honestly none of these fictional creatures are more terrifying than anything found in nature. It’s just proportionality. Insects have all sorts of features that are used for all sorts of fictional creatures. Not even just insects either. Life in general is pretty gross if you step back
Im confused.. hahaha how come prometheus and alien covenant has much futuristic techs than the original alien series.. if prometheus and alien covenant are prequel?.. by the way i like your previous vids.. ✌️✌️✌️ watched the alpha/aliens/ predator connection 👍👍👍
I think it's because in Prometheus and covenant the missions themselves are very important (a quest for immortality and colonization), so the missions would have been much better funded and have better equipment, compared to the original alien which was a mining mission, so it wouldn't have been funded as much, hence the worse equipment. This is my opinion anyway, hope I made some sense
For me the Deacon, the Trilobite, Holloway's mutation and the pale worms on board the derelict ship are just random results of the black goo mixed with different DNA. The engineers knew from experience however that in the long run these life cycles will always culminate with some kind of xenomorph creature as a state of evolutionary perfection (hence the mural). David discovered that himself in Covenant. I guess the purest of all results from the black goo is Big Chap from Alien which could even reproduce itself (deleted scene). All Alien sequels water this down by making them mere space insects. We seriously need a third prequel movie to go full circle.
Could have done without the deacon all together. All we wanted was an alien movie with xenomorphs and some kind of engineer back story. Everything els is complicating the franchise.
The other weird hint is an audio queue of the Deacon. In Prometheus you see a flashback of the engineers running from something as you hear a scream from the distance. Obviously it's the monster they're running from that killed them, and possibly the result of a leak from the black goo that somehow contaminated the station that was meant to protect it. But that scream is the exact same scream as the one made by the Deacon at the end of the movie. Either it was a clever showing that there were deacons loose killing the engineers in the flashback (which would beg the question what happened to those deacons or any offspring they created), or it's just the film creators recycling audio so they don't have to make another monstrous scream.
Xeno's take on the properties/characteristics of their hosts. So the DeaconXeno is the Lex Luthor of the species. A great opportunity for a storyline in which Xeno'Deac creates ultrapowerful doomsday breed that necessitates every single sentient species to combine forces to eliminate.... Think Battle of the Five Armies with humans, replicants, engineers, predators, and insurgent xeno's standing against DoomsdayXenos... Epic. *(Hope you see this Mr's Scott, Cameron, DelToro, Villeneuve, Lucas... JJ nevermind, find something shiny to chase into traffic lol)
And it’s made of nano-particles so it can “magically” do anything ever. It can fly on its own & create any script change on whim that the director wants
Trash, needs more Giger! They should have went with his Version. That or Necronomicon IV. Other thing, it was a total waste of a Xenomorph. Just another throwaway like Boba Fett, Darth Maul, etc. Comic storyline didn't make it any better.
You say complicated I say a waste of resources, the face hugger is just un-needed or I should say it’s un-needed if you are going with a chestburster as the xeno is basically having 2 egg phases, if your going with idea of laying eggs then why not have the chestbursters just come out of the egg or have the queen inject a egg into a living host that then becomes a chestburster but having the queen lay an egg that makes a hugger that then lays another egg this time in a host it’s not something that would happen naturally as like I said it was resources and is another point of failure and life wants as little of these as it can get simply is normally what survives.
A moment of silence for the engineer who was asleep for 2000 years only to die by being mouth humped 😆
Apparently he was going to die anyway because of how many words he spoke to David.
He had it coming.
That was a monstrous face hugger too! No thanks!
NEVER SWALLOW THE EJACULATE!
@@faerieSAALE hahaha! I don’t think he had a choice! It looked like it went down to his toes and this is a big Engineer! But the face hugger was massive! Ughhh!
The one, unifying constant across all of these mediums, stories and iterations of the Xenomorph are real life executives that probably shouldn't have meddled in the development of the series, the lore and it's art.
I couldn't agree more.
I want an rts game that is set in the Era of the book that is right after the events of ALIENS. A cult brings aliens to earth, and the entire military, including the colonial marines, are desperately trying to defend planetary evac sites. Would be epic. In the book, an engineer ship is waiting for the humans to leave, to decimate the xenomorphes, as the engineers entire weaponry, has been developed specifically around thier absolute hate for xenomorphs.
A shame I can't rember the name. I am 33 now, and I read the book when I was 12. Fantastic book, really gripped me.
@@steelphoenixindustries2949 I FOUND THE BOOK!!! Aliens:earth hive. That is the start of the series. I highly highly recommend.
Or Ridley Scott who clearly isn't even trying anymore
I think you might have a point there, laddy. Coked up business people have no vision. It could be argued that they have genius. I believe it is fleeting, judging by the direction the series took. It never looks good when the execs step in, but there you have it.
As much as people hate on this thing, I do like it’s design. I know it’s a “not-xenomorph” that they used to associate with Alien, but I like the idea of the sharpened head and the Goblin Shark mouth.
@dualspectrumreality ytilaermurtcepslaud how the hell does that have anything to what I said
I like the sharp head too and how it uses that to escape the 'womb' instead of headbutting out.
ThT was cool af
12:35 I really like that art piece of the deacon walking up the mountain with the expanse of valley landscape behind. Imagine being out in a place like that on some kind of off-grid backpacking hike and seeing that wandering in your direction.
I am running in the opposite direction if I saw that 😂😂😂
Oh my goodness I think I would literally run so fast I might lose control of other bodily functions
Yea it’s terrifying, the pointed skull and large arms, it’s a ghostly image
Stay strapped or get clapped.
I was an instant fan of the Deacon, as soon as I first saw his adorable faces. I love the goblin shark aspect
Still one of the most interesting and underrated creatures to me.
Especially because they didn't do anything with it.
What is this universal creature rating to which you refer?
It was just a baby in the movie and 10 times bigger then the human xeno hatchlings... must be giant
you mean the ringtail cat?
RIGHT? Seeing it got me so hyped for the next movie. The goblin-shark-like mouths were creepy and badass
"why was it blue? I don't know"
Perfectly summarizes everything about the Prometheus movies
"It was blue because beluga whales are white."
"That... that makes no sense."
"Doesn't it though?" **taps head knowingly**
I think if you read the original script it makes a TON of sense. It’s just a shame because these movies were about exposition and the studios wanted more “alien” stuff. It’s really hard to tell stories in an alien movie. If this was put out as purely a story driven movie it would have been so much better. Lots of random scenes that weren’t needed cut have been cut to put in more exposition - like the bizarre and pointless sex scene on the ship.
I wish Covenant had explored this evolution rather than explain away the Alien by saying David made it. In my mind the Alien already existed when we see Prometheus, is at this due to the mural. This makes the Alien more mythical and foreboding. The Deacon is a clue to the origin of the Alien, nothing more.
The comic book mountain idea is far out! I think it could work as a film but remove the Deacon from the story. The goo mutated a mountain, or perhaps the vegitation. Exploring how the goo alters living matter is interesting. Maybe if the mountain organism touched a mechanical object this is where the biomechanical creature concept could emerge.
It is a shame Covenant didn't go in this direction. I still want a sequel though!
Michael Gerrard
I think the Engineers took a species, maybe closer to the deacon?, and after experimentation created the true xenomorph.
David’s creature in Covenant isn’t the real one yet. It didn’t spawn as a chestburster and appeared to be much larger. We also don’t see a Queen so maybe David made the eggs using animals.
I think in the films David is trying to recreate the species then improve them.
The mural you pointed out and the fact that the ship on the planet in Alien was so old the Engineer fossilized does mean Xenomorphs are older than David. He is trying to recreate them.
Which means the video was a bit wrong. The eggs in Alien were Engineer made due to the age of the craft. The xenos in Aliens and Alien 3 are descendants of that hive too. So, the only xenos in the main films that aren’t engineer made are in Resurrection.
again, sorry, fake script...read alien engineers for the earliest real draft, where the "deacon" was an ultramorph.
The thing is though, that the black goo only transmutates fauna and not flora, leaving vegetable matter intact. I wonder how far down the biological species scale it works. Bacteria? Viruses? We know it turns small insects into what David called "the shock troops".
Agreed. This movie has so many interesting things but we got nothing. Covenant is even worse, turned it into pop corn action horror.
They should remake this movie, reshoot, fix everything, make it 4 hours if they have to.
David didn’t create the Alien though. He created a variation of it.
I love how the movie tapped into evolutionary concepts. The giant mother of all "face-huggers" when it attacked the engineer near the end of Prometheus. Later the deacon is born from the engineer's torso. I loved it. The Deacon's appearance was dead on in my opinion. It was exactly the way it should have been.
@@phantomreaver85 I thought that same thing but it wouldn’t work in alien universe because the writers made the engineers the creator of humans and maybe aliens
but I don’t think they ever explained where xenomorphs/“Decon” came from in the movies and what is black goo where it came from why it’s react differently on different life forms
I think it your theory would make sense that engineers found an alien species and turn them into monsters so they can use them as weapon against humans if we ever turn against them but they failed couldn’t complete the project and crashed on that planet and David continued the unfinished project which originally engineers started the end 😊
@@lola-to9om A point I think most are forgetting; the black goo was similar to the black substance the engineer drinks at the beginning of Prometheus to dissolve himself into his component DNA to create life on Earth. The earlier black goo wasn't intended to create Xeno's until the Engineers modified it to kill humanity. Or possibly it just had a severe affect on the native life on LV426. Interestingly when they announced Aliens coming out I had an idea for a survival RPG one-shot arc where Marines are sent to rescue people kidnapped by pirates using LV426 as a base. When they get there they discover everyone dead and the place crawling with Xeno's and it becomes a survive and escape. I'd named the planet after one of the various names of hell; and was amused when the movie came out and we discovered that LV426 was now called Acheron; which is another name for hell, just as I imagined. I've forgotten the name I was going to use, "Tartarus" maybe.
you know what i liked about it?? the size, when you see the first chest burster, its the size of say a foot. the Decon was the size of say a 7 year old child. seeing how they grow so quick, wonder how big the Decon could get?? it looked like the mural, what the Engineers worshiped. maybe when the Engineers could reproduce, they came into contact with the black goo and a Decon was born. dunno just spit balling here lol..
@phantomreaver, did you read the scripts?!? That’s exactly what they started with! The first deacon was a god the engineers worshipped and used his blood to create new life. Everything else was an attempt for them to recreate the Deacon. Apparently the first one was sentient and not a violent predatory animal.
@@leeharris8102 in the comics a Deacon grew to the size of a mountain,so if unchecked and with enough space,they can get huge.
I was on the golf course riding beside my hubby in a cart when we both saw a perfectly constructed alien from spare parts on someone’s back patio! Almost had a cardiac incident is how real it looked!
That’s awesome! : D
also saw an Alien & a Predator build out of junk in a garage in Thailand, was absolutely stunning & beautiful
Ugh... what a mess. This is what happens when you get too many "creative minds" coming into a universe that they (think) they know, and then trying to be different.
You wind up with a storytelling nightmare (not in a good way).
Everyone thinks their "new twist" to the Alien universe is better and more "edgy", when all they're really doing is diluting the DNA of the original story, and convoluting and confusing the timeline and ancestry of the xenomorph.
Even Ridley Scott has changed so much that he decided that the idea of Artificial Intelligence out of control was a scarier concept than the xenomorph.
I have all the respect for Ridley Scott in the world, and I understand that he thinks that the Xenomorph has been done ad nosium. But look at where we are; it wasn't the idea of androids that put butts in theater seats. Once again, it was the idea of knowing MORE about the Xenomorph and it's origins that brought people back to the franchise in droves.
That said, while Ridley is a phenomenal film maker, and his expert grasp on cinematography is unmatched, I really think he's lost touch with the franchise and why audiences return again and again to be terrified by the Alien creature.
rockn roll totally agree. This is what I said after watching 1.5 fan shorts that started out with the fox logo..The fact that there’s fox logos at the beginning makes me think they’re putting a little money into a bunch of these to see if one really resonates and then they can expand it and make the next film along the best one’s lines. Which is such a diluted and artificial way of making art. I believe that’s the problem. It’s now so much more about business than art. Despite easily half of the best movies of all time were box office flops. And lots of box office hits turned out to have zero staying power or long term success. Take the goddam bean counters out of it and stop letting them micromanage everything. Successful writer/producers ONLY. Nothing about this post had to do with this video, just FYI
Oh please. There are fantasy books out there on scale of Epics that have worlds so much more complicated with lots of made up places, concepts and creatures they make Alien looks like a kids picture book.
You guys need to expand your imagination... and memory while you're at it.
Heyo Han Books/Comics/Novellas and TV/Movie/Video are totally different things. Text-only allows you to imagine your own specifics, nuisances and allows for a much more complete and self-satisfying endeavor because you make it your own. They’re not comparable in the way we are discussing the creation, application, and execution of these stories into film. That’s why it’s virtually unanimous that books are always better than movies because of the reasons I listed above, as well as others. Film confines the creators by technological and scope limitations, as well as budgets obv. Short novels, comics, and even some of these short films they’re producing are much more of a niche market and as much as the entertainment industry has focused almost solely on profits, those media types and formats will remain that way. Example: there’s a cool alien comic story about a crazy doctor who has captured xenomorphs and conducts all imaginable manner of tests on them, leading to some really intriguing plot lines and possibilities, but the scope necessary to attempt to form that into any sort of film or tv production would be incredibly daunting and would be hard to condense down into a sub-3 hour movie or even broken up into a season of 10 hour long episodes to do it any sort of justice. It’s just a different type of media. Both are have good things and bad things about them, but like I had mentioned, unfortunately finances dictate most of everything so there may be awesome fictional universes out there, very worthy of our attention, some (the majority) people won’t even bother unless it’s in a more “consumer friendly” packaging for consumption.
@mb v Oh the irony. Aren't you the ones that are whining??? LOL Hypocrite much? Also, where did I say anything about the Lovecraftian genre.. you think THAT was what I was talking about? Not even close, I'm not talking about a creature you can't fathom, but a completely new world where everything is made up and there are hundreds of characters and places to remember. Try reading "Gardens of the Moon", your pea-brain would melt.
ANYWAY, critics like you think you know what you want but you don't. Why would you want the same old shit that was Alien? Its already been done. You're clinging to nostalgia like a baby on a tit and you can't let go. Prometheus and Covenant were amazing.
@mb v A scholar, I see.
I really wasn't impressed with how the Deacon ended up, it had so more much potential, I wanted Prometheus Paradise not Alien Cov.👍
Yes they never go anywhere interesting with these movies!!!!! I wanna see more not just the same storyline!
They totally ran it into the ground with Covenant
its actually been revealed that the xeno at the end of Prometheus is not a real deacon. It's more a deacon of death. It cannot be used to create new life like the original. Because It came from the black goo
@@leaphymoon9881 how did you find this out bro?? Defo need to see it. Thanks.👊🏽
@@SK4Madhi_Freal yup me too lol
They overcomplicated this so much. I like the idea of different forms of Xenomorphs but they went overboard when they're all, functionally, basically the same, it did not need to be this complicated unless there were going to be some massive differences in abilities from the Deacon vs a regular Xenomorph with traits of whatever it birthed from. The black goo was such a cool concept, sad they dropped the ball in the movies, I even like the idea of giant mountain deacon, like make the goo create crazy variations we don't expect, coulda been really scary and cool.
At this point, the alien franchise needs a massive reboot, highlighting the personal horror of the first film and escalating it over the films (or series), explaining us the origins of the aliens and the human race in a coherent, well connected and not disjointed way.
I agree they need to do away with Prometheus
@@Scrubbletontheligertwo morons here
Brother you need to watch Alien: Romulus. Incredible
Oh you mean doing something wholly unoriginal where a big alien chases a group of people down hallways and shit?
You got your wish dumbo.
@@Blobbyo25what are you 12?
All alien Romulus is is Alien: the greatest hits 1979-2012.
Repackaged, refried and a repurposed soft remake of alien 1979.
There was also concept art where the Deacon seemed to be transforming into either a Neomorph or Xenomoprh as if its genetic material was still unstable.
I really like the idea of the mountain deacon it’s very creative and even makes you feel kind of bad for this monster that’s been forced to be in complete pain for over a century
I like the idea of the Xenomorph as always being stumbled upon. Even by the engineers , a cold intelligent mystery that has no true beginning. Can’t be controlled or understood.
None of this explains how the eggs got on the ship in the first alien movie obviously that ships been there longer than David's version of the xenomorph.
Those eggs are of the "original" xenomorphs, while David has been creating his own race of protomorphs from scratch.
This will be explained in the last movie of the trilogy.
@@OniDasAlagoas Haha, good joke. Everything's just become further convoluted, so far - can't tie it all together with a single movie, there's not enough run time.
I agree @jacob weatherford. We clearly see the xenomorph from alien at the end of covenant and see that david designed the facehugger... So then how did they on the other moon from an engineer on an engineer's ship? The timeline doesn't work.
@@jamesmills2041 from what ive heard david didnt make the xenomorphs from the first movie so much as hes been working to recreate them from the black goo.
They have made this way too complicated for themselves
Writing without a plan, just like Lost and the new Star Wars.
Jet
Lindelof: *sweating nervously*
They should've just kept it simple. The focus should've always been on the xenomorph and it's evolution/creation.
Yeah- stick with Giger dummies.
This isn't that convoluted.. The deacons biomass has exponentially grown because of the radical AI of the Chemical A0-3959X.91 - 15. That shit is limitless when it comes to mutating organic material
Holy crap...the idea to emulate that iridescent blue of the Deacon's skin after a horse placenta was _indeed_ scary and beautiful. How the hell do people come up with this stuff lol.
After all this time and years, I'm still lost. Love the content though!
I think it would have been interesting if the deacon was the predecessor to the xeno lineage as a whole, only producing actual xenomorph-like quallities when it grew into the mountain, and became a hive that produced the first legitimate facehuggers. That is to say, the surrounding fauna and flora would be directly derived from the deacon, as it became the environment. To put me idea simply, after having grown into a mountain, the deacon would produce a cloud of mutating spores that would go on to develope traits based on their new biome. The Spores that lingered in the in the deacon's interior latched back on to their still mutating progenitor like a parasite, developing into the first eggs, only awakening when a new source of genetic material was present. In short: The Xenomorphs as we know them are the decendants of the deacon that evolved to be parasitic, as apposed to the rest of the life on the planet that evolved into their own forms of hard to kill plant life, and harder to escape animal life.
amazing explanation. and the white engineers evolved from the white deacon.
But didn’t the whole Spores thing happen on the Engineers planet that David attacked and the spore-mushrooms are what produced the Neomorphs (beluga xenos?)?
The Deacon is an amazing creature. I would love for it to have a film of its own, something like alien where it's the only mature one.
The mountain idea is crazy, and I think it wastes the deacon a little but it's base idea is brilliant.
I think they could possibly use it as a queen variant of xenomorphs. Like if deacon layed eggs that made facehuggers and if they encountered humans it would make a queen xeno. Would be a cool concept to explore, you dont really hear much on how queens come about in the franchise.
Edit: it also fits into the bioweapon theme; queen xeno = xeno factory, deacon = queen factory. It's like a cluster bomb that could escalate quickly.
well I'll say this about decon mountain.... it's not the stupidest thing I've seen in the alien franchise
I think the mountian twist is rad! It definatly keeps true to gigers art work with the beings infused in the wall and whatnot, awesome
The mountain twist is absolutely inspired!
The mountain is a very Lovecraftian touch. I could see how you would find it ridiculous, but I personally think the story would be cliche driven without that one aspect. It gives it such a sense of weirdness and incomprehensible biology. that is what the black goo is all about.
It was William Hope Hodgson in his novel The Night Land who had living, malevolent mountains. He was an influence on Lovecraft.
@@vindolanda6974 very interesting. I will check that out, thanks.
@@vindolanda6974 W Comment
I dont understand the hatred. It's genuinely more terrifying than the OG
This could have been so simple: remove the black goo element and just make the engineers the creators of many lifeforms, the xenomorphs being their greatest creation which ultimately destroyed them. The deacon should have just been what an engineer/xeno hybrid looked like. There, that's it.
YEAH!
The Black Goo served a very logical purpose... it disintegrates all non-botanical life forms for Engineers to start over. Then suddenly it became like the T-Virus from Resident Evil.
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Ya know what’s interesting is that the Deacon sorta appears in the structure of the Engineer ship/s in a semi-religious style.
you nailed it
I really like the design at 10:20 it seriously looks really adorable. The proportions are just right and I love its big tail.
the deacon resembled the mural in the ample room...jus sayin.
Exactly and that's why I saved the Deacon is the key to peace with the engineers and with the xenomorphs because by accident and there visit to LV whatever whatever they recreated the first deacon which the engineers need to reproduce
the xeno in the bas relief WAS the deacon. this seems to be debated way too much for some odd reason. the Deacon in the mural was just an earlier concept design post the Ultramorph.
@@dorkidori we're going by the script. Unused script
@@ricknick5318 from what I got from his previous video is that it is a anti-decon
@@fistimusmaximus6576 could be
They need a refresh these films, with in depth lore research, and implemented in a new set of movies in order.
the "deacon" is what happens when people who have no apparent grasp of their own creation "revisit their work" lol
Blaming Ridley Scott and his crew for coming up with a creature design that you personally don't like ?
I've read tons of comments saying how cool the "deacon" looks ... obviously with every new creature design there are going to be people who dislikes it .. Personally I love how the "deacon" looks .... its very surreal looking, Giger would appreciate how cool it looks too ...
And even if you do not like the design, you cannot deny how tangibly real the deacon looks compared to other cgi monsters of other movies in our current time ...
Come on, you guys are bashing just because it seems trendy to do so to target 80s great directors going back to their classics ... its a stupid trend, seriously look at your stupid self behaving in childish mob mentality ...
YES. Thankyou.
So much effort trying to embrace this and explain it through in something bizarre and ridicuous
When all you need to understand is a bunch of bad fucking writers came up with some garbage
Just think of you or me coming up with some crap after drinking a few beers. Thats what happened.
ah, Jar Jar Binks
*The Deacon was great - and probably the scariest part of Prometheus - but the problem is that Alien:Covenant ruined its design and legacy.*
@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 covenant is "people who have no apparent grasp of their own creation revisit their work" on steroids :D
I hope we get to see Its Mature form - this variant of proto xenomorphial lifeform has a Lot of potential
I love the fact the mural has finally been noticed and the chamber itself reminded me of a chapel or a crypt as well a xeno nursery. After reading the original dark horse volumes 1-6 I came to believe that the goo was royal jelly or a substance derived from it. The idea that a droid created the species was an immediate f**k up for me considering the overlapping nature of the AVP franchise and many cameos of xeno trophies in a timeline before Prometheus. The deacon would be a off shoot hybrid only due to the trilobites conception after holloways exposure to an element that was derived from the original xenos. As much as I love this franchise the most recent iterations are completely out of sync with the rest of the alien universe and lead the story to what could originally have been an interesting origin or side story but completely destroyed the little sense it had instead. But it's just my opinion.
I like the deacon concept art
Imma watch Prometheus just one more time (it's my 34th, lol). I just love the whole concept for engineers, and how life was planted on Earth. Too bad many just wanted same blood and gore... instead of embracing new concepts and ideas. Haters gonna hate. You did great, Ridley Scot! 💯
It should have been it's own movie instead of screwing up the already established lore of the alien franchise.
@@mohammadsaleem5990 Yes, face-hugger, you're right.
@@AsifAAliyou sound like a Kamala supporter 🤢
@creaturedomes9364 OMG, seriously? Why you MAGA supporter always bring politics into everything and anything... this is exactly why aliens 👽 don't visit us!
Love the comic additions, perfect hunting ground for predators
Very interesting, and easy to follow...
As a fan from the original Alien movie (1979), I'm completely transfixed to see where this will end, and having discovered where the gas giant that lv426 & lv223 is, really located, only makes a person really wonder, 'what's out there, in the depths of space, where 'no one can hear you scream'
The Deacon should've been a fleshed out antagonist in the end
The deacon was actually a very interesting alien, it might not have been what we were expecting, but still interesting
The Deacon was a bold move on the part of the concept artist - it shows the many different types of genes of the Xenomorph which can develop. It is truly exciting and scary. Alien movies can be so much more. There are so many different ways one can design and explore in movies. This is what makes the Alien and Predator movies so much fun to watch.
Carlos Huante is just amazing.
I personally love the idea that the deacon would keep growing thanks to the black goo and become a mountain, I feel like it shows off how powerful and God like the goo is especially if you don't think it was simply created by the engineers, I love the idea that this small creature was left alone on a lifeless world and just grew into a land mass
The writers need to decide whether or not the engineers came first or the predators, then build upon that. In my opinion the predators seem to be more technologically advanced than the engineers, they could reference back to AVP, how the predators used ancient earth civilizations to breed xenomorphes for their right of passage. They could’ve used a different alien species that was a worthy opponent at the time for their customs on Engineer people. Engineers got fed up, fought back and used the technology left behind to create super soldiers, that we saw in Prometheus. Still holding a grudge, engineers created the black goo, with the intention of using it as a bio-weapon, but later discovered its genetic mutation properties. And decided to play the role of gods just like their predecessors before them, creating life on earth. Hence why they are seen still wearing simple clothes, keeping to the same customs of simple early civilization before the predators came. This would make the predators the actual bad guys. David The Android did not completely create the xenomorphes but mearly some what completed a recipe that the engineers prototyped to use as a weapon against the predators since they were so advanced in combat. They needed something better, stronger, and faster. Since the engineers had multiple outposts, let’s say one did complete the xenomorphe recipe we know today, predators discovered a worthy foe, taking us back to why it was used civilizations on earth. And why in Alien 1 a engineers ship is loaded with face huggers, with the destination of predator home planet, was attacked by predators, crash landed, and how the predators came into contact with xenomorphes. So this leaves room for a new species of aliens yet to be discovered, and a war between engineers and predators. Again this is just my opinion on how the story could be saved.
Miguel Munoz You have some very good ideas here, especially weaving the Engineers and the Predators into the story that way.
Not a bad idea my man!!
THANK YOU!! You’re the first channel I’ve heard someone pronounce H. R. Giger’s name correctly!!!
I love Prometheus so much (if you add in a couple of the deleted scenes). The real tragedy was what they did to Alien Covenant. Fox really has been fucking up their properties for years. I desperately hope Ridley Scott gets to do a third and final movie in his series and I hope it deals with the engineers more and xenos less!
The next movie is already confirmed, it will tie up most of the engineer story hopefully. Covenant was a waste of story and sadly just turned potentially the trilogy into a David (stupid character who also breaks lore) arc
@@BabyKobeeee The next movie is not already confirmed.
Way too much David. I agree.
@rockn roll David was far from being one of the highlights of the movie. The character was badly written. Injustice to what he was in Prometheus. The only reason you might think he was a highlight in Covenant is because he was the centre of the story. He was shoved on our throat. And that's the reason I hated the character.
I don't want Ridley Scott anywhere near the next movie. He was responsible for cutting out the bulk of the legitimately good ideas when it came to Covenant and for pushing David rather than any actually interesting characters.
Great job Man I absolutely love this universe and lore. Keep up thees good vid's !
imho they should have stuck mostly with the original xenomorph + very few sensible main varieties, now its look "look look look, we made a new one again". Sometimes less is far more.
After all these years I still crave more .
*It ain't cannon without Dan O ' Bannon.*
noice, cool explanation regarding the deacon name and the bishop hat
I loved the Deacon, as short as his appearance was. I also have a 12 inch figure of the Deacon, and have asked Carlos would he mind me doing a 3 foot model of the "baby face" concept neomorph. That translucent look is central to a lot of Carlos Huante's creature art, so it has to be to this creature.
If they made a film focusing on the deacon, we would learn if what comes out is a baby or an adult, if it's a baby, then boy it's gonna be tall af
I love it all! The ifs the nots, the what is. I’d like to see more deacon varieties on film for sure.
I think the biggest issue was how it could grow to the size of a mountain without sustenance. It would need as much to grow that big.
The mountain deacon is freaking awesome! So damn creative. I don’t want deacons to just be larger xenos. I love this lovecraftian horror element much more interesting!
I think the Deacon should be it’s own organism, separate from the Xenomorphs. Essentially: Xenomorphs are natural organism, while the Deacon is an Engineer-made creature.
Hey @SciFi_Explained, I like your idea of an expanded universe. Would the Deacon being separate from the Xenomorphs work for you?
Sure, in the expanded universe, there were stories of natural aliens coming from xenomorph prime. The prometheus stuff in in a seperate expanded universe.
just like many cliffhanger monster they all got left as concept...
At least Fire & Stone is non canon to the main universe. So, the Deacon still somehow exists doing something out there on that ship.
I would prefer if they are both engineered by engineeers, since Xenos look so biomechanical.
Damn, I need to get my hands and eyes on those comics. Great video, thanks!
The only way I could see the mountain twist working is if the black substance made the Deacon require food. I am no biologist, but even I know that nutrition helps growth rates. Although, Mt. Deacon being immobile because of it's size and wheigh is plausible, which I do like.
After watching prometheus, I was extremely irritated and confused, since imo, almost nothing in that movie makes any sense, and instead of properly addressing any of the questions we had about the xenomorph life cycle and origins, only further complicated things by giving us more questions with no answers. I was HOPING that covenant would clear things up, but it somehow managed to make things even MORE confusing. After that, I turned my back on the new installments of the franchise completely, but I wasn't able to forget all my unanswered questions, so I set about trying to find answers on the internet. I was hoping that the director or writers or *somebody* behind production really did have a good, solid idea of how it all works/fits together and the films just did a really poor job executing it. But that didn't seem to be the case. It seems more like they just snorted crack and made some movies vaguley set in the same universe.
The most annoying thing to me about my search for answers thus far has been that most videos or essays or whatever just kind of . . . seem to be indicative of the auther/creator believing that the prometheus lore makes total and complete sense and they just aren't smart enough to understand it, but they are pretending to anyway.
ALL that is to say; this video is probably the first one I have come across that acutually makes any real strides in explaining this shit in a way that makes ANY sense. So, well done.
It has only a few seconds of screentime, but the Deacon is my favourite criature on the Alien universe
You mean the mountain
I love all the lore idk why but I'm so obsessed 😅😅 I want more movies and more stories! 🤘🤘
I really wanna know more about the trilobite
I still would like to see the massive Beluga Xenomorph realized someday, Neomorph was fine but Im kinda bothered it died so easily. Plus I like that idea they had of it being based on a placenta, those do have strange colors.
I remember we supposedly were going to get a fight between a surviving one and the Protomorph, it would've been cool, made me think of old paleoart of Australopithicus fighting baboons with a stone or leg bone.
I kind of like the idea that the "black goo" isn't anything created by the engineers, but rather mass produced by them. Imagine them traveling the vast universe, and they come across this planet that had these strange life forms, and they come across the source of it being this strange substance produced naturally by the planet. Then they take this substance and engineer their own uses for it. That would explain the mural (to me), because I don't see them creating some sort of church like room for something they created. Otherwise, where's the human's mural room? haha!
Black goo is a bioweapon on earth found at Thule island and the reason behind Falkland War. It is very dangerous and some was taken as samples to Porton Down by UK. It can mimic and become anything. You should research that. It's not just a movie idea.
"Fox went back on the Deacon guys. Sorry, gotta redo the storyline. Anyone got any ideas?"
"Hear me out, it's Aliens, but, the Deacon's a mountain.... a Mountain Deacon."
*slow claps
I personally hate it and I'm sure Ridley does too
The deacon always intrigued me, the mountain part in fire and stone is rather a waste when compared to all the other aspects the series adds. With the rumor that a future sequel will return to LV-223. I hope it can add in the mutated forests, possibly more creatures created by the goo from the ship. And a more accurate deacon.
8:33 what is that talking xenomorph thing?
And then the lonley Deacon became a mountain...wtf
True Comics say that The Legendary Alien Queen Mother is the Creator of all the Xenomorph species on the xenomorph planets
I don't understand the naming convention. Deacons in churches that say masses in the vernacular don't wear hats and in the Latin rite they wear Barrettas which look nothing like that. I think they were thinking of bishops.
Lol I wouldn't be surprised if they thought "Ah shit, we've already had a character called "Bishop", so we'll call it "Deacon"...that's close enough right...?"
If you saw the text onscreen, they were originally thinking of a Bishop’s hat (called a mitre), but ended up calling it a Deacon, probably for that exact reason (that they already had a character called Bishop)- they just didn’t say the last part about already using “Bishop”. I was curious why they called it the Deacon, as well- in fact that’s the reason I watched the video.
Honestly. I cannot think of anything more terrifying than a xenomorph shark.
What an absolute mess this franchise turned out to be.
Deadass
Lol
I honestly think the prequels kinda helped it out but for some reason you need a deleted scene from promethus that shows the engineers talking and explaining why they're disappointed and think the Android is like a false creation. And that's why David goes and tries to make his own human alien hybrid. But you also need an excerpt from the last novelization of covenant to explain David trying to fix our human mistakes when making him.
Man, this is a movie. It’s not real.
People get so wrapped up in this crap. Ask the writer or Ridley. Done.
Always happens look at Star Wars too
I could have gone my entire life not knowing that creepy looking shark exited. Thanks bruh, now I'm staying even more away from the sea.
This franchise has been absolutely destroyed by all these "creative genius" types. Ridiculous.
The mountain idea is awesome if done right...I think its worth a try
No idea why people keep referencing comics considering they are just some random person's fanfic.
To many, including myself, the comics are part of the expanded universe. Most scifi fandoms have a comic or book expanded universe.
Once the universe has expanded it starts collapsing.
So why was the deacon in the mural if they weren't created yet
Yup totally dumb and completely obvious poor story
As far as I'm concerned, it ended with James Cameron's "Aliens". Everything else was/is a cash grab, capitalizing on nostalgia, and some predictable jump scares.
Ridley Scott had his own vision for the Alien arc.Elizabeth could have been the new Ripley and more of Engineers origins and culture were planned for the upcoming projects... but blame the fans for it for backlashing Prometheus for not having Xenomorphs that forced Ridley and the studio to scrap all the plans and we got Alien Covenant.
From what I’m reading on here, seems like some Folks just don’t want to think too much??
In my opinion, Prometheus was a great movie, a really inspiring change of Direction and one well worth looking further into!!
I actually really enjoy this stroyline with the engineers. everything about it is so interesting and leaves room for some really cool movies in the future
The film Prometheus was spawned from a question that no one ever asked Ridley Scott. Who was the "Space Jockey" seen in the first Alein? This question got Ridley thinking and spawned a whole wider Alien universe.
@@MrBVapeApe in the AVP novels from the early 90s, the author played with the idea that the 'space jockey' is a female Predator and the race has extreme sexual dimorphism like we see in nature sometimes here on Earth when the male and female of a species are vastly different in both size and appearance. Their role in Predator warrior society was to scout for planets with animal life unworthy of a hunt and descend down and carpet bomb facehugger eggs, which weren't simply eggs, they were an airborne delivery package. They cause a xenomorph infestation and the space jockey alerts nearby males looking for a hunt that she created worthy prey and lots of it.
what comic is the mutated queen from, the one he mentioned at @8:40
The Deacon was unknowingly left on the planet from Prometheus. If the mural is indeed portraying a Deacon, this would/should confirm that Alien:Awakening is referencing the Deacons turn on the big-screen. This means we will get an epic conclusion to Scotts prequel movie trilogy. My guess is Engineers are still alive elsewhere & comes to a crazy war eventually leading to Humans teaming up with their Creators, Engineers, to overcome the extinguishment of their kinds
The war between humans and engineers would probably be David’s fault since he genocided the engineers on their home planet
Kid: Mom, can we buy xenomorph?
Mom: No, we have xenomorph at home.
Xenomorph at home: Deacon.
My Explanation =
The Deacon. Bad design choice. ☕
Really enjoyable video- they had some really great ideas and some really shite ideas, and I just wanted to say thanks for displaying and explaining them all (or at least, a good amount of them). I have only seen the movies up to Prometheus, and none of the video games or comics, so most of this was new to me. Good or bad, it was still very interesting. Thanks again!
The trilobites and xenomorphs remind me of wasps that lay eggs inside a caterpillar 🐛 then the caterpillar get eaten alive from the inside by the wasp larvae until they burst the caterpillar open and are born 😬😬😬😬
Alot of insects do this actually.
Supreme Tez VLOGS oh yes that is called a parasite wasps yeah very disgusting indeed good thing there only into insects with special smell aka caterpillar 🐛 and and aphids and even ants 🐜 to if it wasn’t for that we would have been fucked already LITERALLY 😳
Honestly none of these fictional creatures are more terrifying than anything found in nature. It’s just proportionality. Insects have all sorts of features that are used for all sorts of fictional creatures. Not even just insects either. Life in general is pretty gross if you step back
Mmmmm... now I’m hungry!
thanks for all your awesome videos! :D
Im confused.. hahaha how come prometheus and alien covenant has much futuristic techs than the original alien series.. if prometheus and alien covenant are prequel?.. by the way i like your previous vids.. ✌️✌️✌️ watched the alpha/aliens/ predator connection 👍👍👍
I think it's because in Prometheus and covenant the missions themselves are very important (a quest for immortality and colonization), so the missions would have been much better funded and have better equipment, compared to the original alien which was a mining mission, so it wouldn't have been funded as much, hence the worse equipment. This is my opinion anyway, hope I made some sense
DarkElf7345 that makes a lot of sense, mate- good thinking!
For me the Deacon, the Trilobite, Holloway's mutation and the pale worms on board the derelict ship are just random results of the black goo mixed with different DNA. The engineers knew from experience however that in the long run these life cycles will always culminate with some kind of xenomorph creature as a state of evolutionary perfection (hence the mural). David discovered that himself in Covenant. I guess the purest of all results from the black goo is Big Chap from Alien which could even reproduce itself (deleted scene). All Alien sequels water this down by making them mere space insects. We seriously need a third prequel movie to go full circle.
Could have done without the deacon all together. All we wanted was an alien movie with xenomorphs and some kind of engineer back story. Everything els is complicating the franchise.
The other weird hint is an audio queue of the Deacon. In Prometheus you see a flashback of the engineers running from something as you hear a scream from the distance. Obviously it's the monster they're running from that killed them, and possibly the result of a leak from the black goo that somehow contaminated the station that was meant to protect it. But that scream is the exact same scream as the one made by the Deacon at the end of the movie.
Either it was a clever showing that there were deacons loose killing the engineers in the flashback (which would beg the question what happened to those deacons or any offspring they created), or it's just the film creators recycling audio so they don't have to make another monstrous scream.
Xeno's take on the properties/characteristics of their hosts. So the DeaconXeno is the Lex Luthor of the species. A great opportunity for a storyline in which Xeno'Deac creates ultrapowerful doomsday breed that necessitates every single sentient species to combine forces to eliminate.... Think Battle of the Five Armies with humans, replicants, engineers, predators, and insurgent xeno's standing against DoomsdayXenos... Epic. *(Hope you see this Mr's Scott, Cameron, DelToro, Villeneuve, Lucas... JJ nevermind, find something shiny to chase into traffic lol)
this sound less like an alien movie and more like a comics I don't want to read
All I keep thinking to myself while watching this is "Why did they have to to introduce the black goo...WHY?"
And it’s made of nano-particles so it can “magically” do anything ever. It can fly on its own & create any script change on whim that the director wants
What a convoluted mess
Reject engineers, embrace space jockey
2:22 why was it blue? maybe because engineers are blueish? doh...
engineers are not blue at all lmfao
@@bennett4789 get yourself an eyeglasses
The mountain xeno is interesting. But, I would be interested variants on other planets or/and Engineer strains fighting each other.
Trash, needs more Giger! They should have went with his Version. That or Necronomicon IV. Other thing, it was a total waste of a Xenomorph. Just another throwaway like Boba Fett, Darth Maul, etc. Comic storyline didn't make it any better.
Jedistarship meh. That’s okay. It’s just Star Wars.
On the one hand, new variants! On the other... MOUNTAIN XENO...
The real problem with 'Prometheus,' is it treats the audience as if they are unintelligent consumers and not fans.
Roy G Biv 🤣
You say complicated I say a waste of resources, the face hugger is just un-needed or I should say it’s un-needed if you are going with a chestburster as the xeno is basically having 2 egg phases, if your going with idea of laying eggs then why not have the chestbursters just come out of the egg or have the queen inject a egg into a living host that then becomes a chestburster but having the queen lay an egg that makes a hugger that then lays another egg this time in a host it’s not something that would happen naturally as like I said it was resources and is another point of failure and life wants as little of these as it can get simply is normally what survives.