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I didn’t even consider a used model S before this video. A few of my friends have the model Y and 3. They all gave mixed reviews. The tech is cool, build quality has some issues but overall they all like there choices. For me what stood out the most was the basic aesthetics of the interior of the 3 and Y. Both of these models were not impressive at all. It was seats, steering wheel and a screen. I was like, that’s it, how much was this car??? For that amount of money I would expect more luxuries. It looks like the model S is the way to go.
Me too. 70k miles 75D with EAP and dealer warranty 32k, premium connectivity and multipattern seats that a tually breathe. 6 months ago. Screw Model 3, MS is so much better looking and rides better. Air suspension FTW.
I appreciate you sharing this because I was stuck looking at which model 3 to get and couldn’t decide especially when it comes primarily with the battery type & range but NEVER looked into the Model S until now and didn’t know the 2017 models got the option of free super charging.
Just brought a model 3 LR 2020. Was considering the model S option but I really wanted the extra range over the visual aesthetic. I love the design of the S though. Great vid.
Good purchase, that free supercharging comes in clutch. With the recent depreciation on the used Tesla market, the model S plaids are about 50% off. I remember seeing them brand new for $140,000 and now you can pick one up with about 20,000 miles on it for $70,000. That is a lot of performance for a car in that price range.
Model 3 may be slightly smaller, but I would take a newer battery over anything else considering its the battery thats the most critical+expensive component in these cars. Nice review!!
Wish Tesla offered certified used older models for lease or fore sale with a longer bumper to bumper extended warranty since the current ones are pretty short. I mean there's almost nothing that can go wrong with them and barely any maintenance since they are so simple compared to a pure ICE car. I would definitely pick up an X or S if that were the case.
Good review. I’ve been considering a model 3 or s. I think the battery life / warranty is the biggest differential and it would have been nice to hear you touch base on that.
I heard about some Tesla Model S that hit 1 million miles but had the 4th battery inside them already. So yeah, the battery won't last forever. But compared to the service costs you have with a gasoline car the cost is rather less.
@@JackoBanon1 Yes, Ryan Shaw made a video about the million mile tesla. I think it had 4 motor replacements but only 2 batteries or something like that. Pretty impressive!
Exactly why I just bought my 2017 Model S P100D with 80k miles. Got it for $33,900 but about $42,000 after taxes, 3yr warranty and other bs. I love it so far. Great video, thanks.
I have a September 2017 MS 75 RWD, CCS enabled with FSD HW 3.0, MCU2. You forgot to mention that besides free super charging they also came with free premium connectivity. My battery has only degraded 6 miles.
@@DrewsReviews2023 i actually noticed it 1 day when i saw 1 drove pass me. u can even check the website and scroll through the images to the one where the back of the car is showing and u will see it
Understandable concern. The research supports the vast majority of batteries lasting 200-300k miles. But everyone has to do what is best for them. I will be making a video to share a deeper dive on what older teslas can and can’t do vs a newer one. That comparison may also be helpful.
I've been thinking of the same comparison. An older model S or a new model 3? After much thought I figured the new model 3 because it would be under full warranty which probably makes it a much better deal. The repairs on Teslas are very expensive and the older model S has nothing covered or won't have coverage for very long. They are notorious for many parts failing. The motors, the battery, the door handles, the suspension, etc. I love the way the model S looks but apparently the older ones aren't built very well compared to the newer Model Y and 3. If you add up the free super charging over the next 10 years VS. all the repairs you'll be doing I don't think you're saving anything and you'll have a lot of headaches. I'd probably buy the GM Silverado EV before I buy a Model 3. I like the functionality of it. It's basically a mobile power station which is something no Tesla can do. Teslas are cool but all they do is get you from point A to point B.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Cool, thanks. Will be looking forward to the repair costs. And can you let us know the insurance cost difference between a new 2023 model 3 and your older model S?
One other point to consider. Slow charging saves your battery, so even though you have free super charging, you should still do most of your charging at home. If you're driving less than 40 miles a day, I would even consider charging daily at 110v (7kw). Here in Florida, FPL will give you one of their chargers and you can charge your car unlimited overnight for just $31.00 a month, practically free. Even if they have to install a 220v outlet, it's only 7 bucks a month more, nothing up front.
Good note, I am actually discussing this in the next two videos when I go over my electric cost. I also live in Florida and have that option for the flat fee, but I don’t tap into it.
@@DrewsReviews2023 I have a neighbor with a Tesla, she says her bill only went up around $30 bucks a month so no reason for it. Me? I drive between 200-300 miles a day so it's a no brainer for me.
While we've all been told that slow charging is better for the battery, Tesla themselves just recently came out with an extensive study showing that there's no difference in battery degradation between level 2 and level 3 charging stations. Now, were they only testing LFP batteries? Because I actually find their results surprising. Anyway, just wanted to mention that.
How many Kwh do you use a month for charging? I'm not sure you come out ahead at $31/month at normal retail electricity prices (far less than inflated commercial charging prices). Tesla also has an adapter you can just use for trickle charging it.
What a nice informative video. Would love to get a used model X but those seem above and beyond my budget. Yet this is so useful for folks who want a sedan to get a model S over a 3. Model S seems like so much more of a car then model 3.
Great video thank you this is very timely as we are looking at a 2017 s 75d right now with FSD. How can I tell if it qualifies for free supercharging? Is there something on the display indicating this ?
The easiest way I was able to figure out was click on the charging tab in the center display. It will show what the last charging session cost. If it’s anything other than 0 it should have free supercharging. Keep in mind towards the end of 2017 they stopped allowing the supercharging to transfer. When the dealer is given control of the tesla(which they should have) they can login to their Tesla app and select the specs and warranty tab at the bottom of the app. It will clearly list free unlimited supercharging if so.
Thanks for the video. Debating on trading my Genesis G80 for a Tesla. The only worry I have is range anxiety but the lack of maintenance necessary is appealing.
Nice video and nice looking S. I did not know they did the new bumper without the side cameras for the 2016 models. I got a 2015 and went through the same decision process. The plain interior and smaller size was a deal breaker for my wife. Love the classic styling on the S. Charging has been slowed down for these older cars but that doesn't bother us for the way we are using the car. And I say the same thing, free supercharging is a BIG DEAL when it comes to road trips. We pay nothing! The huge hatch space in the rear is actually wider and longer than my Mercedes ML350 SUV. I was able to carry 4 full Model S wheels with tires in the car with the hatch closed. I couldn't do that in my truck. So it really has the utility of a small SUV. The biggest risk is when the battery goes out of warranty and you have a failure. Pretty expensive but there are places like 057 that will give you an aftermarket warranty and I believe there will be aftermarket offerings that will come down in price eventually. I actually want to buy a 2nd Model S.
@@bonbooty6611 That is still up for debate. Some say those repairs don't last long but I agree that it's theoretically possible to do. I think it's just a matter of knowing how to do it properly. There are a few issues to overcome like balancing the new cells with the old ones to avoid imbalances, not upsetting the connections, and not allowing moisture to enter after repair.
I know this is 8 months later but if you ever get the chance to answer this that would be sick. Do you actually get free supercharging? if so how do you know what tesla model S's do get it or not?
Very curious what you guys think, I bought my wife a brand new model Y 2023 and I’m so in love with it, but that’s all we really need for our family, I was using my commute to work with Smart Car only because I sit in about two hours of traffic at least a day and was tired of idling gas and not being able to park, I work in New York City and live in Long Island… anyway from legitimately falling asleep during traffic over the years, I’ve had one bad accident accident and a couple near straight death misses and I’m just so spoiled with the full self driving so I was considering just getting it used for my work commute it’s not a lot of miles each way, about 25 miles each way, think it’s worth it?
Just depends on how cheap you are looking to go. I would think anything 15k or less would be too old to have FSD. But if you are willing to spend 25k then seems like a fair plan.
Thanks man! I rented a 2015 on turo when I was thinking about buying a Tesla and that is what got me hooked! Thanks for watching. Excited to make more vids.
Awesome! I wasn’t thinking of a used model s. Just been looking at the model 3s. The model 3 highlander looks nice. Also the battery warranty on the new car being 8 years or 120k miles sounds nice. But man the model S looks better.
Glad I could help you consider other options. The Highlander does look good I agree, but I still prefer the s. I have a video on an extended warranty that may be helpful for you too. It will extend the Tesla warranty by 3 years.
I have always been a fan of the refresh nose cone. That said if you get a good deal on the 2016 with the old nose, the make a lot for about 3k that will upgrade the bumper to look very similar to the refresh.
IMO the problem with this is that regardless of the mileage, you bought a car with 7 year old batteries in it. Batteries don't just degrade with mileage and charge cycles, they also age with time. If you instead bought a 4-6 year newer model 3, you would get a newer battery pack that, assuming equal usage, should survive 4-6 years longer, perhaps even more due to battery manufacturing improvements.
Solid point. That is absolutely a possible outcome however Tesla has been around long enough to have a strong degree of certainty that battery failures are rare. In addition to total failures being rare Tesla put out a study that even after 200,000 miles of usage the battery degregation is just 12%. This is why you hear so many stories of teslas with 200,000 miles and even recently there is a Tesla with 1 million miles. For me I am less focused on that as I only intend to keep this car for a few years and then on to the next toy. I doubt I will even see 120,000 miles. Either way good point and I appreciate the thoughts.
And they are OLD tech batteries. Newer batteries are less likely to fail. And if you move to LFP batteries, they will last at LEAST 3x longer than NCM / NCA batteries typical seen in the Model S. If the battery fails on an old especially pre-2016 models (before facelift) you gonna pay a lot. After 2016 the battery quality in the Model S is fastly improved. But yeah i get it, the Model S is a lot nicer than the 3. And just drives better. :) But i do believe that the total cost of ownership for the Model 3 and Y with LFP battery is the lowest of all. In the end you gonna pay for that luxury of the Model S which could include a new battery.
Good point. My suggestion if you are considering the two is to rent one of each on turo in your area. I was able to find th for as little as 100 per day. It helped me decide preferences in that regard too.
I am looking to purchase a Tesla today will be doing some test driving I was leaning more towards the 3 but after seeing your vid I am a little torn....well will see how I feel after a couple test drives.
I love my model S way better than a 3. I'm 6'7 and the S has way more leg room, I love having 2 modules instead of just the one screen in the model 3. I really like the portrait setup as opposed to the landscape one in the model 3 and the fact that it's built into the dash instead of looking like someone bolted an iPad to my dash 🤣. I also prefer the look of the S. Model 3's are everywhere here in Cali so the S stands out way more than the 3 or Y and the S has a lot more room/cargo space than the 3..
For some reason I like the portrait setup too. It just feels more integrated. The new ones are still very cool though. Especially with the yoke steering wheel.
All valid opinions, the only one I disagree with is the portrait mode, landscape is more versatile. If you want to watch TV in your car landscape is far superior.
@@DrewsReviews2023 The portrait screen is actually safer because looking at a landscape screen while driving takes your eyes further away from the road and limits what your peripheral vision can see. I would like the yoke also if the horn wasn't a little button you had to press. Seems a bit unsafe to me in an emergency with only a split second to use it especially if turning.
Thank you! I have had a MY for 3 years now. I came from a Lexus and I cant get past the bumpy and creaky ride - My daughter is getting her license and was going to buy her a used 3....but with the MS prices right now, I will give her mine and get an S. I saw so many videos complaining on how slow the charging is! but this clears it up
@prsbm the 2016 models transfer for the life of the car in all instances I have seen. In 2017 is when I believe they started to phase out to non transferable
In mine there is clearly a tiny of some sort along the top and it does likely get warmer than a car without a glass top but the ac is great and I don’t personally feel the heat from it.
I see what you’re saying but as a 2013 Model S owner just because you buy a Model S for 30k doesn’t mean it comes with your normal/average $30k car maintenance. Sticker price of mine was $95k and I can tell when it comes to maintenance. Despite buying it for $30k/50k miles one owner, I spent over $20k first 3 years of owning. Broken control arms, wheel fell off, full air suspension work, door handle stuck, 12v battery replaced, infotainment upgrade, tires, etc
Sorry to hear you had those challenges. I believe there is data that shows 2015 and older were more prone to those issues due to being some of the first models. That said, buying used regardless of model will always have these possibilities. Thanks for the comment I think it’s a valid point/ topic to insert.
@@DrewsReviews2023 been looking into it more, looks like if the car ever ended up back at the dealership for resale then they would take it off... Ah well
I agree. I love my 2015 P85D. I just recently test drove the new Model 3 and S and I like my older S better (after putting significant work into it). The S is a much better car.
Thanks for the kind words. Fortunately I don’t plan to keep the car past about 130,000 miles. I plan to keep it for a few years. I will be sure to update if anything breaks.
Proud owner of a red 2014 P85+ with 151,349 miles with a front bumper refresh, infotainment upgrade, and chrome delete. As mentioned in the video, nearly indistinguishable from a 2020/21 model unless one knows what minor differences to look for. Our app’s charge stats show we Supercharged 95% of the past 12 months, with 4% at other, and 1% home. (we live just a couple miles from a Supercharging station, so we take advantage of free charging more often as a result). While many might connect that Supercharging so frequently may degrade the battery faster, our S still has 90% of its original capacity, which coincidentally is about the max range of a brand new 75kWh Model S. Knowing that most Tesla’s lose about 10% of their capacity initially in the first 50-75k miles before stabilizing and retaining about 90% until about 180-200k, I recommend buying an 85kWh instead of a 75kWh S when available in the same price range when buying used, to compensate for expected degradation that will naturally occur anyways. It’s important to mention that the miles remaining displayed can be set to either “ideal” or “rated”. I recommend selecting rated to get a far more accurate understanding of remaining capacity when buying used. One could charge to 100% to verify, but is simple to select % in settings, note the rated range, and extrapolate what the rated range would be at 100%. ie. The rated miles for my car at 50% shows 119 miles remaining, double that for 238 miles. I then compare that range to the EPA rated range for that year/model’s capacity. In my case 265 miles was the EPA rated range when new, so 238 reflects a 10% degradation, which is in line with the majority of other used Tesla’s with similar miles driven. Just to be sure, I charged it to 100%, and sure enough, 238 rated miles were displayed. Again, be sure to select rated, not ideal, as that shows a higher range if driven in ideal conditions, but unhelpful when determining present battery degradation. For some, the 10-12% difference in range between a 75 or 85 kWh isn’t a factor as they may not be driving more than 200 miles between charges anyways. Though, having more capacity never hurts and takes a little less time to charge to the same range due to charge curve advantages. I share this as I find many people shying away from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 models due to usually having higher miles, but as long as they are of the 85kWh variety (the highest available at the time), most should still have more than sufficient range for most drivers. All said, there are certain advantages of Model 3’s, some of which mentioned in the video. I for one, prefer a used Model S for a similar or often a lower price, and bought our low mileage 3.5 year old Performance S for just $41,500 +ttl after applicable rebates. And being a “+” model, it came with practically every option available at the time: • air suspension • premium sound • power lift gate • Performance suspension • 21” staggered wheels • carbon fiber package • carbon fiber spoiler • red brembo brake calipers • panoramic sunroof roof • Napa leather • dual 40A onboard chargers • premium lighting • aluminum pedals • removable roof rack • front trunk luggage • Performance inverter • tire inflation repair kit and as a bonus came with stop valid HOV lane stickers. .. but most importantly, unlimited lifetime Supercharging, which saves us the equivalent of $4911 a year in gas alone according to our app, based on 16,660 miles driven annually and kWh added for free. Multiply that by 9 years, and that equates to $44,191 saved.. more than we paid for the car. Yes, the car has already paid for itself in what was not spent on gas alone in a similar petrol vehicle for the same miles driven. Of course, for those with ample solar panels on their roof and battery storage, charging at home may very well be quite inexpensive as well. I think that the 2012-early 2016 models that have unlimited supercharging grandfathered are sometimes overlooked for their sheer value mostly because of an easily replaceable nosecone, age, or mileage, but given that they are visually nearly indistinguishable from a recent build (especially after a front bumper refresh), get free OTA updates (which add most of the new features of current models, minus autopilot/FSD), and have the option for an infotainment upgrade for a faster CPU and higher res front screen, and a chrome delete is rather simple, it’s not hard to own a Model S that looks and performs so similarly to a new one, or at least to the non-Tesla enthusiast. It’s hard *not* to consider one, especially at half to one third the price of new.. and about the same as a Model 3.
Wonderfully written and well said. I appreciate you taking the time to add such color to the conversation. The updated front nose cone is game changer on those models! Looks so good!
@@gust9464 I know it's a Tesla video. I just hate when people try to abbreviate everything because they're too lazy to type. I'm sure you write Model S as "MS" also.
Great video, thanks..1 question..from what you have heard approx. how many miles can you expect out of the battery? Are these made to go over 200K miles or??
You forgot to mention a MASSIVE Pro for the Model S over the Model 3, the Adaptive Air Suspension. Not only is the suspension in the Model S more smooth but it can remember the location where you needed more ground clearance and automatically adjust the height for you.
This video hits all the pointers I have thinking about. Interested in a secondhand Tesla and prefer the Model S than the Model 3 because of the long wheel base, sleeker looks, and the big infotainment layout. The only drawback is the outside cameras being not available but really leaning towards the older Model S. Thanks for sharing and will follow you.
I love my 2018 MS 75D but the only issue Inhave with it is the range and charging time. Which isn’t a huge deal unless I go on road trips and it’s even harder with a 2 year old but other than that… best car I’ve ever owned at 7 months later. I’m still excited to get into the car every time 😊
The easiest way for me to identify when I was at dealerships was to select the charging tab on the center dash and it will show the cost of the last supercharging session. If the amount is anything other than $0.00 it does not have free supercharging. Please remember toward the end of 2017 they began to do away with supercharging that transfers. So view it as a bonus but not a guarantee with 2017s.
As someone who is looking to possibly sell my 2014 Focus ST for an AWD Model 3 or Model Y, your comment about the firm seat might be the reason I go with a used Model S instead. I LOVE the full leather bucket-style seats in my ST3. Ideally I wish I could just take my ST (or preferably the RS), replace the engine and drivetrain with a Tesla battery and motors, and I'd be the happiest dude alive. lol
Ha that would be sick! I would suggest renting one on turo in your area. I rented a Tesla model s, y and 3 before making my purchase decision. Some will rent for as little as 100 bucks a day.
Do not listen to this man, if you drive a focus st (I also have my cobalt SS turbo along with my performance 3) I HIGHLY recommend that you do not take this mans advice and get a performance 3. They have a huge aftermarket community and if you like modding your car, you cannot do much to the S.. on top of this, the older S charge slower, have less features, and the build quality is terrible on them. Trust me, get a performance 3 and you will not be disappointed… even if you get a 2018, you can upgrade the computer to hardware 3.0 and get all of the FSD features.. you cannot do this to a model S. You cant even get aftermarket tail lights for the model S..
I've driven a P85D & P90D for work and have plenty of seat time behind the Model 3 and Y. I prefer model 3 the most, and like the model s the least. The model S is big and boaty feeling. It doesn't feel sporty and agile (no surprise since it weighs 5000 lbs). The air suspension is nice, and you can raise the vehicle to clear certain road conditions. Also, the technology and interior styling in model S is outdated (been the same since 2012) unless it's the newer 2021+ refresh models.
I'm in the same boat. I'm currently saving for a Tesla and can't decide between an S or 3. There are def pros and cons to both. My hearts with the S but we'll see if the better stats on the 3 win the day or not in the end. Looking to buy by Jan
If you haven’t watched my video about tips for buying a Tesla my strongest suggestion is to rent both for several days on Turo. That helped me solidify my decision.
This is a horrible video.. The 75D doesnt come anywhere close to my performance 3. It doesnt have the features, functionality, or the tech🤦🏽♂️ He bought the cheapest model S thinking it was better than the 3 or Y 🤦🏽♂️ and lets not even talk about the range hes getting 🤦🏽♂️ L video
Thanks for the comment. I didn’t personally want a model 3 because they are a bit smaller than what I wanted. The model 3 is an awesome car. The performance model is even more fun! I’m so excited for you that you could afford the performance model 3. I love the rims on those. I have driven them all, but for me the model s is my favorite.
@@jvausa Socially awkward much? I am not a yes man, I am a tesla owner and the OP is giving bad advice. These are tech vehicles and he is telling people to take less tech for a prestige or look... if you want more room, you dont go for an S, you go for a Y or X, thats what theyre built for. The space difference in the S compared to the 3 is negligible at most, they wider on the outside than the inside.
I'd love to see a second part on this regarding the MCU upgrade, FSD, and costs associated with them. Whether that be already on the vehicle, and what we should pay if it is, or if we can add them post purchase. Also, what warranties or extended warranty might be available. The used Tesla is a bit of a confusing purchase for those of us that haven't owned one. I'm looking at replacing my '18 Mustang GT with a model S. It's the fun third car, but I need a runaround kid hauler...that's still fun.
Thanks for the feedback. This is in a lineup of about 10 videos i am making. I do think those are important aspects to talk about. I would make it all in one video but I know it’s easy to get lost spending 6-10 minutes on each topic. Those GTs are beautiful cars.
It's a $2500 to go from MCU1 to MCU2, and change out an AP2.5 to HW3.0 FSD. That price includes labor. Then it's $200 for standard FSD which isn't really. It's a package of navigate on autopilot. This being 100% self driving from FWY entrance to exit...no surface streets. Only the FSD beta offers Complete FSD. Which requires an upgrade of the cameras to being color, and a camera installed on the rear view mirror that observes the driver. That fee $750 installed... so to go from an AP 2.5 to legit full self driving is $3250
I was one of those years ago saying I’m buying a Tesla S when it came out. I test drove two but couldn’t part with that much cash, having only bought second hand cars in the past, usually at 15k miles or so. However, after 6 years with my very good Mercedes 220d AMG estate I’m now looking at early Model S cars with 100k miles that look fab. I’m going to double up for a while and run both.
Great video. I’m considering the two myself and my heart says Model S because it’s so beautiful. But I’m worried about its reliability vs the 3. Have you had any issues with yours?
Minor issues. I will likely make a video on the items I have gone to the service center for. When I bought the car the back left door handle went out but this was something the dealership covered. It was $140 repair at the service center. The only other issue I had was when I upgraded the mcu it ended up causing an airbag light issue and it caused a steering wheel volume control issue. Both fixed free of charge. The warranty even for a 2016 for motor and battery goes until September of 2024. So 8 years from build.
We have a 2015 S 85D. With 65k miles it has less than 5% battery degradation. It still drives like new. Recently upgraded the MCU and displays for $1400 and it made a huge difference and added a bunch of new features; to an 8 year old car. Free telematics, free supercharging. Couldn't be happier with it.
The free charge originally applied to Tesla S that were ordered until January 15, 2017. but Tesla has sent out an offer that the free charge can be transferred to a new Tesla and it is about Tesla S about Tesla X and Tesla y . But it will only apply as long as you own the new car. Unfortunately, you must collect the new car no later than the last day of this year
@@DrewsReviews2023 The quality. New paint chips every other day. New scratches every time it gets washed. Bad panel gaps. Backwards for handles that you need fingers and thumb to open. If you have anything in your hand, out it down. Sit that coffee on the glass roof and now you have to clean off a ring, or suffer scratching around the door handle area. Backwards navigation screen. Maps are on THE WRONG SIDE. Voice input only works when there's total silence. Bad insulation. You can hear EVERYTHING outside. Sounds like Windows are always cracked open. I can't maneuver the vehicle without the car tearing me like a kid, reminding me that my seatbelt isn't on by throwing a hissy fit. Can't move it with the drunk/trunk open without it constantly reminding you that to have no control of your vehicle. Maps will put you in the far right lane in a quarter mile when you should be in the far left... I can't quickly adjust my mirrors to shine the light back in their face when the asshole behind me had his brightness on... Phantom braking... Almost killed us... When I do use the voice input, instead of turning navigation volume to level 5, it turns out off.. that stupid animation that takes 4 seconds to stop reading you every time you slightly miss the drink or trunk... I would gladly pay a $15k premium on the Ionic 5/6 over this crap. Just from the first time I grabbed the PERFECTLY DESIGNED for handle of the Ionic 6, I knew it was far superior in all ways other than storage space over the 3. And it seems I need new rest tired every 10k miles. Let's not talk about range. I've tested it thoroughly. Driving in all flat roads, 73°, I've never gotten over 303 miles. I have the dual motor. I'm supposed to get up to 340 miles. Meanwhile the Chevy Bolt claims 280 Mike range, and that regularly accounts 340 miles. At night, I charge the 3 to 100 or 319 mile range in 75° weather for shiggles, in three morning after I've driven 25 miles, it says I used 45 miles of range. Should I keep going? Let's not talk about having anything in the drunk that stinks and turning on the vent... Yeah, your partners will know you went to the gym earlier that day. My first response was somehow deleted. I copied this one this time.
I don't think you are sloshing from experience. I have a 2017 models s and I think it's holding up WAY better than if I had gone for a newer 3. Plus, fsd changes your life if you commute.
I did a review of a company on my channel that you may find interesting. At the end of the day insurance is to mitigate risk, I have not personally bought an extended warranty but I plan to when my battery gets closer to the 100k mark. The company I reviewed on my channel allows the warranty to be transferred and is relatively inexpensive considering it covers the battery.
I would never buy a used Tesla model S. Who knows what kind of miles it would have on it. Plus the previous person probably drove it like a mad man with the 150 mpg speeds it can do. No thank you, I will buy a new Tesla, but not a model S. At least I will know it hasn't been raced all over the place.
Hey there. Thanks for the input. I have been recommending people to rent one of each on turo in their area. It gave me the peace of mind to feel comfortable with my purchase. I was able to rent each for as little as 100 dollars a day. Great way to see what you like and don’t like. Either way excited for you and your Tesla purchase you’ll have to share with us which one you buy! I can smell the new car smell already. :)
I haven’t dealt with any phantom braking. The only hard braking I have experienced is if the speed limit abruptly changes in a school zone. Going from 45 to 20
Just like an internal combustion engine you never know when the engine or battery will go out. There are studies that show Tesla batteries will last 300k miles, but the battery for a 2016 is under warranty for 8 years. In my instance the warranty will expire in sept of 2024. At that point I will get an extended warranty that extends for an additional 3 years. I have a video on my channel talking about the extended warranty.
I Havent researched it but I did see a model S for sale at 150k mi where the 2nd owner and seller said the battery was replaced 4yrs prior under warranty by the 1st owner..well that sure makes one wonder WHY would a battery that probably had 100k or less mi need replacing in the 1st place?
@ilia315 I honestly don’t think it matters. I bought mine from a dealer. The key thing to know is that the dealer transfers the car via the Tesla app to your email address. I bought mine from a dealer with no issues.
A couple of months ago, I purchased a Pre-ap model s, p85, for 24k. First thing I did was purchase comma 3 & additional connectors from Tinkla, about $1.6k. This gave me full longitudinal, lateral autopilot. Then, last month I purchased the front fashcia refresh (2k) to give me the new model S front bumper. Now effectively my car operates more similarly to the new model S. Ie: fsd “like” autopilot, traffic visualization on instrument cluster via the tinkla buddy (I’m on MCU2). And I have free supercharging. Current battery degradation is a little over 10% and I get roughly 240 miles of range per full charge. (I have lead battery that I believe you can charge to 100% without degrading the battery quicker.) Will have bumper installed by next month hopefully.
I was not familiar with Comma 3 - I have some googling to do it sounds interesting. That bumper is going to look great. Congrats on the Tesla and thanks for adding to the conversation. Good insight for those considering.
@@rickgauden Car is doing amazing. Honestly, the only negative I have is that my rear passenger door handle has failed. Outside of that, no complaints.
Yes they will service. They will also give loaner vehicles at no cost while in the shop. You can also buy an extended warranty. I have a video on my Chanel that explains extended warranties if interested.
Yes the warranty goes until the end of this year. At that point I will get the extended warranty. If you are curious cost and coverage I have a video on my channel if that helps.
Hey man. I thought I touched on this in the video. My bad. The model s charges at 125kw. It typically takes 25-30 minutes to charge at a supercharger vs 10-15 minutes in a model 3. For me it wasn’t a big deal as it only applies to me on long road trips.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thanks for your reply, appreciate it. It's very good indeed ! I thought it was like 75kw etc, but 125kw is more than enough to be able to charge it rapidly.
can you talk more about what the extended warranty part looks like? buying a used older model S and X can be great options if one does not have to worry about the warranty on the expensive parts of these.
How about the suspension? I’ve heard mixed reviews about the suspension/ride comfort of the model 3 and Y but the S is supposed to have air suspension?
My brother traded his muscle car for a Tesla and I honestly never thought I’d consider. Now my search history is full of Tesla videos 😂. I was sold at lifetime charging 😮. This was a smooth review ✊🏽✊🏽
I was going to get a Model Y but opted for a used Model X. Plus it has the USS which were removed from the newer Teslas hampering short distance parking...
The model x is such a cool car it was just out of my price range at the time, but I plan to buy my wife a used x soon. Thanks for adding to the thoughts.
Nice review. I have a 2016 S 90D. I ordered the day after the announcement that all new would have everything needed for FSD. Of course FSD still is still not delivered. But I have FSD Beta, and I've gotten updates to keep up, new computer, cameras, etc. Right now I'm trying to decide on transferring FSD to a new vehicle. The program is absolutely ridiculous. There's so many wrinkles. I will keep the S, but I can't figure out what's left after they remove FSD. I think it's Basic Autopilot, but what is that exactly? Hopefully, it's autosteer, and adaptive cruise that most cars have today.
I was thinking X or Y. But I'm changing my mind. It's obvious that the program is all about moving products for Tesla. No consideration for the customer. The only thing for me is the potential to lose the FSD I already have if something goes wrong. My problem is logistics. I'm a Florida resident, but I'm up North for the summer. I'd have to order, fly down to take delivery, and then fly back North. If I could move the delivery into Oct, I'd be there. But then it wouldn't count in Tesla's 3Q numbers. So I guess I'll keep FSD on the S, which also has lifetime Supercharging, and it's very low mileage. I'll have it a long time.
I got mine on Amazon, I have also noticed a lot of the auto stores have these in stock often. I still think it is silly that the older models do not have cupholders in the back.
Here's my experience. In April of 2020 I bought a 2013 Model S85 from the original owner, the main drive unit and main display had already been replaced under warranty. That meant that the car I bought was on it's second drive unit and display (@90K miles). Since summer 2023 I have been experiencing episodes of the drive unit cutting out during normal driving. Within a year the issue had become worse, and by the Fall of 2024 it was happening almost every time I drove the car. So in mid-November 2024 I drove it to the local Austin, TX service center and on the drive there it cut out 3 times. When I got there they said I should leave it with them (without an appointment) because it was a "safety issue". The diagnosis (the same day) was that the drive unit was failing and had to be replaced. My choice: do nothing and have eventual total drive unit failure or cough up the money and make the replacement now. I authorized the replacement~ $6700 (out of warranty). The car has 140,000 miles now and is on it's 3rd drive unit. If I had known that this was a possible issue, I never would have bought the car back in 2020. This may not be typical for all early Model S's, but I was unlucky enough for it to happen to mine. Three (3) drive units in 140,000 miles of normal driving is not my idea of a dependable car.
I would highly advise against any Tesla pre 2019, if you look at Tesla from a business perspective this is right after they first became profitable. Not saying Tesla's weren't great before but the all around quality and improvements each year are better and better. A used 2019 model 3 with FSD is the best bang for the buck IMO. Great video
The only way on a used Tesla, is if it was originally purchased with free supercharging. I have a short on my channel showing how to see if a used Tesla has free supercharging.
The only piece I don’t like about the tax credit is that it is not a direct immediate check and savings. Yes when filing taxes you will be made whole, but until the time you are still out the money and not everyone can swing that. It’s a great point though. Thanks for adding.
@DrewsReviews2023 I too have never bought new, my whole family always did a dealer auction with a person I know for a toyota /Lexus lease return. But I wanted my next car to be a tesla and lived the idea of free super charging. But with the ca rebate being 7500, fed up to 7500, and tesla lowering existing new inventory of model 3 to be 37,020 ..there is a lot of money on the table. I feel like the warranty and the efficiency of the new newer tech might now out weigh the charging. If tesla didn't lower the price so dramatically and if up to 15000 in rebates didn't exist in would be doing what you are doing. Been thinking about this for a year, last year would totally have done what you did. But this year the game changed. But still love the size and looks of the S, just worried about a surprise repair to either battery or the air suspension.
Okay but what about the battery life? I keep reading that these things are good for maybe 8 - 10 years. I live in Ont, Canada so winters can get "cold" so that must impact that battery life.
My daughter has model s 2013, with free supercharging, which is awesome, I am thinking if I can find model s that has free supercharging that can be transfered to me I may get over new model 3, but how do you find one that has free grandfathered supercharging, how did you find and made surest was transferable
I’m not sure how you would know if transferable, but I do know you can easily tell if it has free supercharging by selecting the charging tab on the center screen. If it says last supercharging session was 0 then there is your sign. I found most of the time the dealerships weren’t aware if they had free supercharging or not.
Yup. lol I had read enough to feel confident it was the year model that would transfer if sold. Free Supercharging wasn’t a deal breaker for me it was just an extra checkbox. I truly only use free supercharging when traveling. It’s too convenient and cheap to plug into the house every night to worry about topping off at superchargers.
@DrewsReviews2023 it is dealbreaker for me though, I would only get used model s if it has free supercharging, otherwise I would just get brand new model 3.
If that is the only factor in the column of model s for you then you should probably just get the model 3. Unless you live in an apartment it is only 500 do add an outlet in your garage to plug your car into at night for a full charge in the morning. I don’t know the numbers but I would bet 70% or more of charging is done at peoples home.
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Now's the time everyone. I got a 2018 Model S 100D 80k miles with full self driving and lifetime connectivity for $32,000!
I didn’t even consider a used model S before this video. A few of my friends have the model Y and 3. They all gave mixed reviews. The tech is cool, build quality has some issues but overall they all like there choices. For me what stood out the most was the basic aesthetics of the interior of the 3 and Y. Both of these models were not impressive at all. It was seats, steering wheel and a screen. I was like, that’s it, how much was this car??? For that amount of money I would expect more luxuries. It looks like the model S is the way to go.
@anthonyemmm they are all fun cars, just depends on what you are looking for. I agree - I like the interior of the s more.
Me too. 70k miles 75D with EAP and dealer warranty 32k, premium connectivity and multipattern seats that a tually breathe. 6 months ago. Screw Model 3, MS is so much better looking and rides better. Air suspension FTW.
Thinking of getting the same car
Way too many miles hence the deal
I appreciate you sharing this because I was stuck looking at which model 3 to get and couldn’t decide especially when it comes primarily with the battery type & range but NEVER looked into the Model S until now and didn’t know the 2017 models got the option of free super charging.
Glad I was able to help!
Just brought a model 3 LR 2020. Was considering the model S option but I really wanted the extra range over the visual aesthetic. I love the design of the S though. Great vid.
Thanks for the comment. The LR has noticeably more range and is a ton of fun too. I bet your loving it.
I personally have not had any major issues. I did a video on my 1 year cost of ownership if you wanted to see the details.
I always liked the portrait layout on the model S instead of landscape plus the driver side gauges.
Good purchase, that free supercharging comes in clutch. With the recent depreciation on the used Tesla market, the model S plaids are about 50% off. I remember seeing them brand new for $140,000 and now you can pick one up with about 20,000 miles on it for $70,000. That is a lot of performance for a car in that price range.
Yes I agree a used plaid right now feels like a steal of a deal!
Great 1st video. Right to the point. Covered all the questions without tangents. Well done
I appreciate the kind words, it still felt too long, but I wanted to cover those points. Thanks for the comment!
Model 3 may be slightly smaller, but I would take a newer battery over anything else considering its the battery thats the most critical+expensive component in these cars. Nice review!!
Thanks for the input. Glad you enjoy the model 3. They are a lot of fun.
I think the model 3/y battery warranty is 100k miles while the model s is 150k miles
Wish Tesla offered certified used older models for lease or fore sale with a longer bumper to bumper extended warranty since the current ones are pretty short. I mean there's almost nothing that can go wrong with them and barely any maintenance since they are so simple compared to a pure ICE car. I would definitely pick up an X or S if that were the case.
@Fergunator on mine the warranty is unlimited miles or 8 years.
You can add an extended warranty to a used Tesla. I have a video covering cost and coverage.
Been toying with the exact same purchase idea. Thanks for confirming my assumptions.
Glad the video was helpful!
Awesome video!! Thank you for answering all the question I had in one simple video!!
Glad it was helpful
i'm the same about buying used. just so much less loss overall. that initial depreciation is crazy
It really is crazy how much falls off these cars after just 1 year. Thanks for the comment.
Thanks Drew, looking to make a decision on a 2019 model S 75D in the morning. This vid is helping...
Glad you found it helpful! Good luck on your purchase!
@@DrewsReviews2023 mission accomplished - 2019 Tesla model S 75D.
@financialsombrero9097 woop woop!!! Congrats my friend. Hope you enjoy it.
@@financialsombrero9097 how have you been enjoying it?
Good review. I’ve been considering a model 3 or s. I think the battery life / warranty is the biggest differential and it would have been nice to hear you touch base on that.
Thanks for the feedback I may speak to this in a future video as it does come up often.
yeah, thats like one of the biggest differences... and a very important hting to consider
My warranty on both battery and motors expires at the end of next year.
I heard about some Tesla Model S that hit 1 million miles but had the 4th battery inside them already.
So yeah, the battery won't last forever.
But compared to the service costs you have with a gasoline car the cost is rather less.
@@JackoBanon1 Yes, Ryan Shaw made a video about the million mile tesla. I think it had 4 motor replacements but only 2 batteries or something like that. Pretty impressive!
Exactly why I just bought my 2017 Model S P100D with 80k miles. Got it for $33,900 but about $42,000 after taxes, 3yr warranty and other bs.
I love it so far. Great video, thanks.
P100D was my hope when I bought mine, but wasn’t in my budget. Enjoy!
Whats the difference of the 100 and 75 versions
@BlancoSrt392 main difference is the range. The 100 will give another 50 or 60 miles of range
Thanks bro! I was literally considering a pre-owned S vs Telsa 3
Glad I was able to give some perspective. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
You have the option of upgrading the hardware in the Infotainment system. I also think you can upgrade the autopilot. Of course, it costs money
I have a September 2017 MS 75 RWD, CCS enabled with FSD HW 3.0, MCU2. You forgot to mention that besides free super charging they also came with free premium connectivity. My battery has only degraded 6 miles.
Good point! They free connectivity is pretty nice. Thanks for adding that to the conversation.
the newer model s doesnt have that long bar thingy that cuts into the lights at the back. thats how i usually know which car is old or new
Not sure I ever noticed that, I will have to look for that next time I see my buddy with a new s
@@DrewsReviews2023 i actually noticed it 1 day when i saw 1 drove pass me. u can even check the website and scroll through the images to the one where the back of the car is showing and u will see it
Great video. I am considering a used Model S too. I am a bit concerned about replacing the battery though which would cost a pretty penny.
Understandable concern. The research supports the vast majority of batteries lasting 200-300k miles. But everyone has to do what is best for them. I will be making a video to share a deeper dive on what older teslas can and can’t do vs a newer one. That comparison may also be helpful.
Good tip! I got my model 3 used, and I've been really happy with it.
Heck yes. Glad you found one you liked. I am so curious to see what the new model 3 looks like.
Hi… it’s been a year now. Any update? Are you happy with your model 3 purchase? Thank youu
I've been thinking of the same comparison. An older model S or a new model 3? After much thought I figured the new model 3 because it would be under full warranty which probably makes it a much better deal. The repairs on Teslas are very expensive and the older model S has nothing covered or won't have coverage for very long. They are notorious for many parts failing. The motors, the battery, the door handles, the suspension, etc. I love the way the model S looks but apparently the older ones aren't built very well compared to the newer Model Y and 3.
If you add up the free super charging over the next 10 years VS. all the repairs you'll be doing I don't think you're saving anything and you'll have a lot of headaches.
I'd probably buy the GM Silverado EV before I buy a Model 3. I like the functionality of it. It's basically a mobile power station which is something no Tesla can do. Teslas are cool but all they do is get you from point A to point B.
I like the look of the Silverado ev too. Also the lightning is cool! I’ll be sure to keep the channel updated on repairs.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Cool, thanks. Will be looking forward to the repair costs. And can you let us know the insurance cost difference between a new 2023 model 3 and your older model S?
Yes I will be posting that this week.
One other point to consider. Slow charging saves your battery, so even though you have free super charging, you should still do most of your charging at home. If you're driving less than 40 miles a day, I would even consider charging daily at 110v (7kw). Here in Florida, FPL will give you one of their chargers and you can charge your car unlimited overnight for just $31.00 a month, practically free. Even if they have to install a 220v outlet, it's only 7 bucks a month more, nothing up front.
Good note, I am actually discussing this in the next two videos when I go over my electric cost. I also live in Florida and have that option for the flat fee, but I don’t tap into it.
@@DrewsReviews2023 I have a neighbor with a Tesla, she says her bill only went up around $30 bucks a month so no reason for it. Me? I drive between 200-300 miles a day so it's a no brainer for me.
While we've all been told that slow charging is better for the battery, Tesla themselves just recently came out with an extensive study showing that there's no difference in battery degradation between level 2 and level 3 charging stations. Now, were they only testing LFP batteries? Because I actually find their results surprising. Anyway, just wanted to mention that.
wow I didn't know FPL gives that for $31. thank you! I have Tesla. I put already a walcharger but unlimited for $31 i will check.
How many Kwh do you use a month for charging? I'm not sure you come out ahead at $31/month at normal retail electricity prices (far less than inflated commercial charging prices). Tesla also has an adapter you can just use for trickle charging it.
What a nice informative video. Would love to get a used model X but those seem above and beyond my budget. Yet this is so useful for folks who want a sedan to get a model S over a 3. Model S seems like so much more of a car then model 3.
Yeah I have been eyeballing the x for my wife.
Do some people buy a warranty for battery if they pickup an older model s like this ? Looking into a 17 model s currently
Great video thank you this is very timely as we are looking at a 2017 s 75d right now with FSD. How can I tell if it qualifies for free supercharging? Is there something on the display indicating this ?
The easiest way I was able to figure out was click on the charging tab in the center display. It will show what the last charging session cost. If it’s anything other than 0 it should have free supercharging. Keep in mind towards the end of 2017 they stopped allowing the supercharging to transfer. When the dealer is given control of the tesla(which they should have) they can login to their Tesla app and select the specs and warranty tab at the bottom of the app. It will clearly list free unlimited supercharging if so.
Thanks for the video. Debating on trading my Genesis G80 for a Tesla. The only worry I have is range anxiety but the lack of maintenance necessary is appealing.
Both cars are really good options, especially with current prices
I agree they are both wonderful cars!
Hello, where did you buy and where do you suggest that I buy one like yours? Thanks
Nice video and nice looking S. I did not know they did the new bumper without the side cameras for the 2016 models. I got a 2015 and went through the same decision process. The plain interior and smaller size was a deal breaker for my wife. Love the classic styling on the S. Charging has been slowed down for these older cars but that doesn't bother us for the way we are using the car. And I say the same thing, free supercharging is a BIG DEAL when it comes to road trips. We pay nothing!
The huge hatch space in the rear is actually wider and longer than my Mercedes ML350 SUV. I was able to carry 4 full Model S wheels with tires in the car with the hatch closed. I couldn't do that in my truck. So it really has the utility of a small SUV.
The biggest risk is when the battery goes out of warranty and you have a failure. Pretty expensive but there are places like 057 that will give you an aftermarket warranty and I believe there will be aftermarket offerings that will come down in price eventually. I actually want to buy a 2nd Model S.
Thanks! Yes, I believe mine was right as they did the mid year bumper refresh.
Independent shops can also diagnose and replace bad cells without having to get a whole new pack offering a huge saving
That is good to know. Thanks for sharing.
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That is still up for debate. Some say those repairs don't last long but I agree that it's theoretically possible to do. I think it's just a matter of knowing how to do it properly. There are a few issues to overcome like balancing the new cells with the old ones to avoid imbalances, not upsetting the connections, and not allowing moisture to enter after repair.
I know this is 8 months later but if you ever get the chance to answer this that would be sick. Do you actually get free supercharging? if so how do you know what tesla model S's do get it or not?
Very curious what you guys think, I bought my wife a brand new model Y 2023 and I’m so in love with it, but that’s all we really need for our family, I was using my commute to work with Smart Car only because I sit in about two hours of traffic at least a day and was tired of idling gas and not being able to park, I work in New York City and live in Long Island… anyway from legitimately falling asleep during traffic over the years, I’ve had one bad accident accident and a couple near straight death misses and I’m just so spoiled with the full self driving so I was considering just getting it used for my work commute it’s not a lot of miles each way, about 25 miles each way, think it’s worth it?
Just depends on how cheap you are looking to go. I would think anything 15k or less would be too old to have FSD. But if you are willing to spend 25k then seems like a fair plan.
love the review! I have a 2015 Tesla Model S, bought it this year and I love it!
Thanks man! I rented a 2015 on turo when I was thinking about buying a Tesla and that is what got me hooked! Thanks for watching. Excited to make more vids.
Why? Because it became a lot cheaper because the battery is out of warranty?
Thinking about getting a p90D or even the older P85D
I think either one would be killer!
Awesome! I wasn’t thinking of a used model s. Just been looking at the model 3s. The model 3 highlander looks nice. Also the battery warranty on the new car being 8 years or 120k miles sounds nice. But man the model S looks better.
Glad I could help you consider other options. The Highlander does look good I agree, but I still prefer the s. I have a video on an extended warranty that may be helpful for you too. It will extend the Tesla warranty by 3 years.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thank you! I’ll check that video out.
Whoa, the Subscribe button lights up really cool when you say "subscribe". That's crazy, never seen that.
not having to pay to charge and only having to sit and wait for an extra 10 minutes compared to a model 3 sounds like a win to me.
Thanks for the video would you go for a 2016 p90d with no refresh front or 2017 75 d refresh front 75 d white seats similar km and same price thanks
I have always been a fan of the refresh nose cone. That said if you get a good deal on the 2016 with the old nose, the make a lot for about 3k that will upgrade the bumper to look very similar to the refresh.
IMO the problem with this is that regardless of the mileage, you bought a car with 7 year old batteries in it. Batteries don't just degrade with mileage and charge cycles, they also age with time. If you instead bought a 4-6 year newer model 3, you would get a newer battery pack that, assuming equal usage, should survive 4-6 years longer, perhaps even more due to battery manufacturing improvements.
Solid point. That is absolutely a possible outcome however Tesla has been around long enough to have a strong degree of certainty that battery failures are rare. In addition to total failures being rare Tesla put out a study that even after 200,000 miles of usage the battery degregation is just 12%. This is why you hear so many stories of teslas with 200,000 miles and even recently there is a Tesla with 1 million miles. For me I am less focused on that as I only intend to keep this car for a few years and then on to the next toy. I doubt I will even see 120,000 miles. Either way good point and I appreciate the thoughts.
And they are OLD tech batteries. Newer batteries are less likely to fail. And if you move to LFP batteries, they will last at LEAST 3x longer than NCM / NCA batteries typical seen in the Model S. If the battery fails on an old especially pre-2016 models (before facelift) you gonna pay a lot. After 2016 the battery quality in the Model S is fastly improved. But yeah i get it, the Model S is a lot nicer than the 3. And just drives better. :) But i do believe that the total cost of ownership for the Model 3 and Y with LFP battery is the lowest of all. In the end you gonna pay for that luxury of the Model S which could include a new battery.
@@DrewsReviews2023 12% is a lot!
For 200,000 miles I felt it is fair. That would mean your typical 250 mile range would only have dropped down by 30 miles of range.
Yeah man and 7 year old computer tech is just worse im sorry, but for the same dollars the new 3 is a better car
what about handling/driving dynamics of S vs 3?
Good point. My suggestion if you are considering the two is to rent one of each on turo in your area. I was able to find th for as little as 100 per day. It helped me decide preferences in that regard too.
Gotta say great job for a newer channel. I’m also debating between the 2 but the more I research the more it looks like the s is the better deal.
Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. The S is a blast. Let me know if there is anything else I can cover that would be helpful.
I am looking to purchase a Tesla today will be doing some test driving I was leaning more towards the 3 but after seeing your vid I am a little torn....well will see how I feel after a couple test drives.
Yes test drives help. But also consider renting one of each on Turo for a few days. Good luck. They are both fun!
I love my model S way better than a 3. I'm 6'7 and the S has way more leg room, I love having 2 modules instead of just the one screen in the model 3. I really like the portrait setup as opposed to the landscape one in the model 3 and the fact that it's built into the dash instead of looking like someone bolted an iPad to my dash 🤣. I also prefer the look of the S. Model 3's are everywhere here in Cali so the S stands out way more than the 3 or Y and the S has a lot more room/cargo space than the 3..
For some reason I like the portrait setup too. It just feels more integrated. The new ones are still very cool though. Especially with the yoke steering wheel.
All valid opinions, the only one I disagree with is the portrait mode, landscape is more versatile. If you want to watch TV in your car landscape is far superior.
Good point on watching tv. I only watch tv in the car on long road trips while charging.
@@DrewsReviews2023 same here, I hardly ever do it but I do feel smug when I'm watching Netflix while it's charging 😄
@@DrewsReviews2023 The portrait screen is actually safer because looking at a landscape screen while driving takes your eyes further away from the road and limits what your peripheral vision can see. I would like the yoke also if the horn wasn't a little button you had to press. Seems a bit unsafe to me in an emergency with only a split second to use it especially if turning.
Thank you! I have had a MY for 3 years now. I came from a Lexus and I cant get past the bumpy and creaky ride - My daughter is getting her license and was going to buy her a used 3....but with the MS prices right now, I will give her mine and get an S. I saw so many videos complaining on how slow the charging is! but this clears it up
I also choose an older Model S over the 3 for many reasons. Such an amazing car and so functional. Also the free suoer charging is huge for me.
Totally agree! Thanks for sharing.
So is the free supercharging still transferible? I was told at a dealer it wasn't 🤔
@prsbm the 2016 models transfer for the life of the car in all instances I have seen. In 2017 is when I believe they started to phase out to non transferable
@@DrewsReviews2023 what about 2014? That's the one in buying.
Yes 2014 should be fine
I'm curious about the clear roof, has no one shared if it gets too hot due to the direct sun? Looking to buy my first m3
In mine there is clearly a tiny of some sort along the top and it does likely get warmer than a car without a glass top but the ac is great and I don’t personally feel the heat from it.
I see what you’re saying but as a 2013 Model S owner just because you buy a Model S for 30k doesn’t mean it comes with your normal/average $30k car maintenance. Sticker price of mine was $95k and I can tell when it comes to maintenance. Despite buying it for $30k/50k miles one owner, I spent over $20k first 3 years of owning. Broken control arms, wheel fell off, full air suspension work, door handle stuck, 12v battery replaced, infotainment upgrade, tires, etc
Sorry to hear you had those challenges. I believe there is data that shows 2015 and older were more prone to those issues due to being some of the first models. That said, buying used regardless of model will always have these possibilities. Thanks for the comment I think it’s a valid point/ topic to insert.
Does Tesla offer a CPO warranty?
@paullee9982 to my knowledge they do not. But you can buy some from outside vendors
Just joined the club with my 2016 model s 90d, I do love it, but here in the UK it didn't come with free supercharging, maybe that's just a US thing?
I believe it was also a thing in the UK, but just like the US it was only on select Teslas.
@@DrewsReviews2023 been looking into it more, looks like if the car ever ended up back at the dealership for resale then they would take it off... Ah well
@Jake0483 yes that is true
I agree. I love my 2015 P85D. I just recently test drove the new Model 3 and S and I like my older S better (after putting significant work into it). The S is a much better car.
The p85d was the other car I was eyeballing. Good choice!
Nice car , no question about it, let's hope your battery will last another 200k miles or more, otherwise, if it goes, forget it.
Thanks for the kind words. Fortunately I don’t plan to keep the car past about 130,000 miles. I plan to keep it for a few years. I will be sure to update if anything breaks.
Proud owner of a red 2014 P85+ with 151,349 miles with a front bumper refresh, infotainment upgrade, and chrome delete.
As mentioned in the video, nearly indistinguishable from a 2020/21 model unless one knows what minor differences to look for. Our app’s charge stats show we Supercharged 95% of the past 12 months, with 4% at other, and 1% home. (we live just a couple miles from a Supercharging station, so we take advantage of free charging more often as a result).
While many might connect that Supercharging so frequently may degrade the battery faster, our S still has 90% of its original capacity, which coincidentally is about the max range of a brand new 75kWh Model S.
Knowing that most Tesla’s lose about 10% of their capacity initially in the first 50-75k miles before stabilizing and retaining about 90% until about 180-200k, I recommend buying an 85kWh instead of a 75kWh S when available in the same price range when buying used, to compensate for expected degradation that will naturally occur anyways.
It’s important to mention that the miles remaining displayed can be set to either “ideal” or “rated”. I recommend selecting rated to get a far more accurate understanding of remaining capacity when buying used.
One could charge to 100% to verify, but is simple to select % in settings, note the rated range, and extrapolate what the rated range would be at 100%. ie. The rated miles for my car at 50% shows 119 miles remaining, double that for 238 miles. I then compare that range to the EPA rated range for that year/model’s capacity. In my case 265 miles was the EPA rated range when new, so 238 reflects a 10% degradation, which is in line with the majority of other used Tesla’s with similar miles driven. Just to be sure, I charged it to 100%, and sure enough, 238 rated miles were displayed. Again, be sure to select rated, not ideal, as that shows a higher range if driven in ideal conditions, but unhelpful when determining present battery degradation.
For some, the 10-12% difference in range between a 75 or 85 kWh isn’t a factor as they may not be driving more than 200 miles between charges anyways. Though, having more capacity never hurts and takes a little less time to charge to the same range due to charge curve advantages.
I share this as I find many people shying away from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 models due to usually having higher miles, but as long as they are of the 85kWh variety (the highest available at the time), most should still have more than sufficient range for most drivers.
All said, there are certain advantages of Model 3’s, some of which mentioned in the video. I for one, prefer a used Model S for a similar or often a lower price, and bought our low mileage 3.5 year old Performance S for just $41,500 +ttl after applicable rebates. And being a “+” model, it came with practically every option available at the time:
• air suspension
• premium sound
• power lift gate
• Performance suspension
• 21” staggered wheels
• carbon fiber package
• carbon fiber spoiler
• red brembo brake calipers
• panoramic sunroof roof
• Napa leather
• dual 40A onboard chargers
• premium lighting
• aluminum pedals
• removable roof rack
• front trunk luggage
• Performance inverter
• tire inflation repair kit
and as a bonus came with stop valid HOV lane stickers.
.. but most importantly, unlimited lifetime Supercharging, which saves us the equivalent of $4911 a year in gas alone according to our app, based on 16,660 miles driven annually and kWh added for free. Multiply that by 9 years, and that equates to $44,191 saved.. more than we paid for the car.
Yes, the car has already paid for itself in what was not spent on gas alone in a similar petrol vehicle for the same miles driven.
Of course, for those with ample solar panels on their roof and battery storage, charging at home may very well be quite inexpensive as well.
I think that the 2012-early 2016 models that have unlimited supercharging grandfathered are sometimes overlooked for their sheer value mostly because of an easily replaceable nosecone, age, or mileage, but given that they are visually nearly indistinguishable from a recent build (especially after a front bumper refresh), get free OTA updates (which add most of the new features of current models, minus autopilot/FSD), and have the option for an infotainment upgrade for a faster CPU and higher res front screen, and a chrome delete is rather simple, it’s not hard to own a Model S that looks and performs so similarly to a new one, or at least to the non-Tesla enthusiast. It’s hard *not* to consider one, especially at half to one third the price of new.. and about the same as a Model 3.
Wonderfully written and well said. I appreciate you taking the time to add such color to the conversation. The updated front nose cone is game changer on those models! Looks so good!
Hey drew great vid! Have you had any issues with the air suspension?
I have both cars. I would say the M3 performance is the better option. Hands down!
Great insight. Thanks for sharing.
“M3” is a BMW
@@76ers lol 😂 this is a Tesla video, M3 is Model 3. I have am M4 BMW definitely know the difference 👍🏽
@@gust9464 I know it's a Tesla video. I just hate when people try to abbreviate everything because they're too lazy to type. I'm sure you write Model S as "MS" also.
@@76ers I have an M3 P-
Great video, thanks..1 question..from what you have heard approx. how many miles can you expect out of the battery? Are these made to go over 200K miles or??
They actually can see them go 300k miles. I have a video on my channel that talks about extended warranty that you may find helpful.
thanks for the fast response..ill check out that video...Happy New Year!@@DrewsReviews2023
@utubeblackbat happy new year!
You forgot to mention a MASSIVE Pro for the Model S over the Model 3, the Adaptive Air Suspension. Not only is the suspension in the Model S more smooth but it can remember the location where you needed more ground clearance and automatically adjust the height for you.
Great addition to the conversation. Thanks for sharing.
7 year old air suspension? I see problems coming with the airbags in the near future
Question does the mcu2 have display “dark mode”?
Yes it does.
This video hits all the pointers I have thinking about. Interested in a secondhand Tesla and prefer the Model S than the Model 3 because of the long wheel base, sleeker looks, and the big infotainment layout. The only drawback is the outside cameras being not available but really leaning towards the older Model S. Thanks for sharing and will follow you.
Glad you found the video helpful. The only piece I would recommend upgrading on a model s is the mcu if it hasn’t already been upgraded.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Thanks mate.
Bro do you think the cameras can be upgraded tooo if it it’s an old model with no cameras
I asked the service center and they were not able to upgrade my cameras.
You can buy camera to add to it
How much is car insurance. California is a bit high
I love my 2018 MS 75D but the only issue Inhave with it is the range and charging time. Which isn’t a huge deal unless I go on road trips and it’s even harder with a 2 year old but other than that… best car I’ve ever owned at 7 months later. I’m still excited to get into the car every time 😊
Range has not bothered me much, but I don't go on trips over 3 hours all that often. Good input. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
Drew- If I buy a 2017 Model S, how do I know if get the unlimited Supercharging or not?
The easiest way for me to identify when I was at dealerships was to select the charging tab on the center dash and it will show the cost of the last supercharging session. If the amount is anything other than $0.00 it does not have free supercharging. Please remember toward the end of 2017 they began to do away with supercharging that transfers. So view it as a bonus but not a guarantee with 2017s.
As someone who is looking to possibly sell my 2014 Focus ST for an AWD Model 3 or Model Y, your comment about the firm seat might be the reason I go with a used Model S instead. I LOVE the full leather bucket-style seats in my ST3. Ideally I wish I could just take my ST (or preferably the RS), replace the engine and drivetrain with a Tesla battery and motors, and I'd be the happiest dude alive. lol
Ha that would be sick! I would suggest renting one on turo in your area. I rented a Tesla model s, y and 3 before making my purchase decision. Some will rent for as little as 100 bucks a day.
Do not listen to this man, if you drive a focus st (I also have my cobalt SS turbo along with my performance 3) I HIGHLY recommend that you do not take this mans advice and get a performance 3. They have a huge aftermarket community and if you like modding your car, you cannot do much to the S.. on top of this, the older S charge slower, have less features, and the build quality is terrible on them. Trust me, get a performance 3 and you will not be disappointed… even if you get a 2018, you can upgrade the computer to hardware 3.0 and get all of the FSD features.. you cannot do this to a model S. You cant even get aftermarket tail lights for the model S..
I've driven a P85D & P90D for work and have plenty of seat time behind the Model 3 and Y.
I prefer model 3 the most, and like the model s the least.
The model S is big and boaty feeling. It doesn't feel sporty and agile (no surprise since it weighs 5000 lbs). The air suspension is nice, and you can raise the vehicle to clear certain road conditions.
Also, the technology and interior styling in model S is outdated (been the same since 2012) unless it's the newer 2021+ refresh models.
Thanks for sharing. Wish I had a job where I could drive teslas for work! :)
You better do some test driving, instead of some online reading. Drive them all.
I'm in the same boat. I'm currently saving for a Tesla and can't decide between an S or 3. There are def pros and cons to both. My hearts with the S but we'll see if the better stats on the 3 win the day or not in the end. Looking to buy by Jan
If you haven’t watched my video about tips for buying a Tesla my strongest suggestion is to rent both for several days on Turo. That helped me solidify my decision.
AP1 was never meant for FSD.
This is a horrible video.. The 75D doesnt come anywhere close to my performance 3. It doesnt have the features, functionality, or the tech🤦🏽♂️ He bought the cheapest model S thinking it was better than the 3 or Y 🤦🏽♂️ and lets not even talk about the range hes getting 🤦🏽♂️ L video
Thanks for the comment. I didn’t personally want a model 3 because they are a bit smaller than what I wanted. The model 3 is an awesome car. The performance model is even more fun! I’m so excited for you that you could afford the performance model 3. I love the rims on those. I have driven them all, but for me the model s is my favorite.
@@ghost_m3pyou sound really offended for no reason.
@@jvausa Socially awkward much? I am not a yes man, I am a tesla owner and the OP is giving bad advice. These are tech vehicles and he is telling people to take less tech for a prestige or look... if you want more room, you dont go for an S, you go for a Y or X, thats what theyre built for. The space difference in the S compared to the 3 is negligible at most, they wider on the outside than the inside.
@@ghost_m3p yes you sound socially awkward. You are upset for no reason. Being rude and aggressive. You can disagree without being a douche.
How do you get all the black trim rather than chrome
I paid a local shop to put black vinyl wrap on all of my chrome features. It was about 1,000.
I'd love to see a second part on this regarding the MCU upgrade, FSD, and costs associated with them. Whether that be already on the vehicle, and what we should pay if it is, or if we can add them post purchase. Also, what warranties or extended warranty might be available.
The used Tesla is a bit of a confusing purchase for those of us that haven't owned one. I'm looking at replacing my '18 Mustang GT with a model S. It's the fun third car, but I need a runaround kid hauler...that's still fun.
Thanks for the feedback. This is in a lineup of about 10 videos i am making. I do think those are important aspects to talk about. I would make it all in one video but I know it’s easy to get lost spending 6-10 minutes on each topic. Those GTs are beautiful cars.
Sweet. Sub'd. 👍🏻
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It's a $2500 to go from MCU1 to MCU2, and change out an AP2.5 to HW3.0 FSD. That price includes labor. Then it's $200 for standard FSD which isn't really. It's a package of navigate on autopilot. This being 100% self driving from FWY entrance to exit...no surface streets. Only the FSD beta offers Complete FSD. Which requires an upgrade of the cameras to being color, and a camera installed on the rear view mirror that observes the driver. That fee $750 installed... so to go from an AP 2.5 to legit full self driving is $3250
I was one of those years ago saying I’m buying a Tesla S when it came out. I test drove two but couldn’t part with that much cash, having only bought second hand cars in the past, usually at 15k miles or so. However, after 6 years with my very good Mercedes 220d AMG estate I’m now looking at early Model S cars with 100k miles that look fab. I’m going to double up for a while and run both.
Great video. I’m considering the two myself and my heart says Model S because it’s so beautiful. But I’m worried about its reliability vs the 3.
Have you had any issues with yours?
Minor issues. I will likely make a video on the items I have gone to the service center for. When I bought the car the back left door handle went out but this was something the dealership covered. It was $140 repair at the service center. The only other issue I had was when I upgraded the mcu it ended up causing an airbag light issue and it caused a steering wheel volume control issue. Both fixed free of charge. The warranty even for a 2016 for motor and battery goes until September of 2024. So 8 years from build.
@@DrewsReviews2023I didn't know the original battery/motor warranty remains for teslas sold at a dealership, good to know thanks for the video!!
We have a 2015 S 85D. With 65k miles it has less than 5% battery degradation. It still drives like new. Recently upgraded the MCU and displays for $1400 and it made a huge difference and added a bunch of new features; to an 8 year old car. Free telematics, free supercharging. Couldn't be happier with it.
The screen upgrade really is game changer.
The free charge originally applied to Tesla S that were ordered until January 15, 2017. but Tesla has sent out an offer that the free charge can be transferred to a new Tesla and it is about Tesla S about Tesla X and Tesla y . But it will only apply as long as you own the new car. Unfortunately, you must collect the new car no later than the last day of this year
How do you get free super charging ?
After 4 months of this 2022 Model 3, I'd much rather have a used model S. I'd rather have the Ionic 5 or 6 actually.
Really? What are you not enjoying about the model 3?
@@DrewsReviews2023 The quality. New paint chips every other day. New scratches every time it gets washed. Bad panel gaps. Backwards for handles that you need fingers and thumb to open. If you have anything in your hand, out it down. Sit that coffee on the glass roof and now you have to clean off a ring, or suffer scratching around the door handle area. Backwards navigation screen. Maps are on THE WRONG SIDE. Voice input only works when there's total silence. Bad insulation. You can hear EVERYTHING outside. Sounds like Windows are always cracked open. I can't maneuver the vehicle without the car tearing me like a kid, reminding me that my seatbelt isn't on by throwing a hissy fit. Can't move it with the drunk/trunk open without it constantly reminding you that to have no control of your vehicle. Maps will put you in the far right lane in a quarter mile when you should be in the far left... I can't quickly adjust my mirrors to shine the light back in their face when the asshole behind me had his brightness on... Phantom braking... Almost killed us... When I do use the voice input, instead of turning navigation volume to level 5, it turns out off.. that stupid animation that takes 4 seconds to stop reading you every time you slightly miss the drink or trunk... I would gladly pay a $15k premium on the Ionic 5/6 over this crap. Just from the first time I grabbed the PERFECTLY DESIGNED for handle of the Ionic 6, I knew it was far superior in all ways other than storage space over the 3. And it seems I need new rest tired every 10k miles. Let's not talk about range. I've tested it thoroughly. Driving in all flat roads, 73°, I've never gotten over 303 miles. I have the dual motor. I'm supposed to get up to 340 miles. Meanwhile the Chevy Bolt claims 280 Mike range, and that regularly accounts 340 miles. At night, I charge the 3 to 100 or 319 mile range in 75° weather for shiggles, in three morning after I've driven 25 miles, it says I used 45 miles of range. Should I keep going? Let's not talk about having anything in the drunk that stinks and turning on the vent... Yeah, your partners will know you went to the gym earlier that day. My first response was somehow deleted. I copied this one this time.
How is the insurance premium?
Just got my renewal for 8.1 and I pay $114 per month
There's a LOT of cons to buying an older model S vs a newer model 3.
Hey there. Of course there are a ton of pro and cons to all of life. The good news is that no matter which Tesla you buy they are all fun!
@@DrewsReviews2023 They're definitely all fun!
I don't think you are sloshing from experience. I have a 2017 models s and I think it's holding up WAY better than if I had gone for a newer 3. Plus, fsd changes your life if you commute.
@@adamshipley5415 I own 3 model S. 2017 2018 and 2023 and a 2019 model 3. I’m speaking from experience.
@@adamshipley5415 I own 3 model S.
2017, 2018 and 2023
and a 2019 model 3. i’m 100% speaking from experience.
Drew, thank you for the video. Do you use or recommend using an after market warranty company to mitigate a battery going bad?
I did a review of a company on my channel that you may find interesting. At the end of the day insurance is to mitigate risk, I have not personally bought an extended warranty but I plan to when my battery gets closer to the 100k mark. The company I reviewed on my channel allows the warranty to be transferred and is relatively inexpensive considering it covers the battery.
I would never buy a used Tesla model S. Who knows what kind of miles it would have on it. Plus the previous person probably drove it like a mad man with the 150 mpg speeds it can do.
No thank you, I will buy a new Tesla, but not a model S. At least I will know it hasn't been raced all over the place.
Hey there. Thanks for the input. I have been recommending people to rent one of each on turo in their area. It gave me the peace of mind to feel comfortable with my purchase. I was able to rent each for as little as 100 dollars a day. Great way to see what you like and don’t like. Either way excited for you and your Tesla purchase you’ll have to share with us which one you buy! I can smell the new car smell already. :)
2023 model 3 standard is perfect for the money
how did you find the phantom braking?
I haven’t dealt with any phantom braking. The only hard braking I have experienced is if the speed limit abruptly changes in a school zone. Going from 45 to 20
So if you bought a 2016 in 2023, when will the batteries have to be replaced, how long are they good for and how much?
Just like an internal combustion engine you never know when the engine or battery will go out. There are studies that show Tesla batteries will last 300k miles, but the battery for a 2016 is under warranty for 8 years. In my instance the warranty will expire in sept of 2024. At that point I will get an extended warranty that extends for an additional 3 years. I have a video on my channel talking about the extended warranty.
I Havent researched it but I did see a model S for sale at 150k mi where the 2nd owner and seller said the battery was replaced 4yrs prior under warranty by the 1st owner..well that sure makes one wonder WHY would a battery that probably had 100k or less mi need replacing in the 1st place?
Hi I am interested in purchasing a 2018 pre owned model s from the Tesla site. How can I go about seeing if free super charging is offered?
Once Tesla buys the vehicle back they remove the free supercharging.
Thank you for that! I had no idea. Would you recommend purchasing pre owned directly from Tesla or another dealer? Does it matter?
@ilia315 I honestly don’t think it matters. I bought mine from a dealer. The key thing to know is that the dealer transfers the car via the Tesla app to your email address. I bought mine from a dealer with no issues.
So I’m buying a2016 model S used third party from a Honda dealership. Will I get free charging?
You will have to have them look at the app to see if it has free supercharging included.
A couple of months ago, I purchased a Pre-ap model s, p85, for 24k. First thing I did was purchase comma 3 & additional connectors from Tinkla, about $1.6k. This gave me full longitudinal, lateral autopilot. Then, last month I purchased the front fashcia refresh (2k) to give me the new model S front bumper. Now effectively my car operates more similarly to the new model S. Ie: fsd “like” autopilot, traffic visualization on instrument cluster via the tinkla buddy (I’m on MCU2). And I have free supercharging. Current battery degradation is a little over 10% and I get roughly 240 miles of range per full charge. (I have lead battery that I believe you can charge to 100% without degrading the battery quicker.) Will have bumper installed by next month hopefully.
I was not familiar with Comma 3 - I have some googling to do it sounds interesting. That bumper is going to look great. Congrats on the Tesla and thanks for adding to the conversation. Good insight for those considering.
how is the car doing?
Are you asking me or the guy with the p85?
thats exactly what I wanted to know... how to get the traffic visualization in older cars
@@rickgauden Car is doing amazing. Honestly, the only negative I have is that my rear passenger door handle has failed. Outside of that, no complaints.
Will the Tesla Dealer service a older Model S and can your get a extend Warranty?
Yes they will service. They will also give loaner vehicles at no cost while in the shop. You can also buy an extended warranty. I have a video on my Chanel that explains extended warranties if interested.
@@DrewsReviews2023
Thank you!
Im curious do you still have warranty on the battery?
Yes the warranty goes until the end of this year. At that point I will get the extended warranty. If you are curious cost and coverage I have a video on my channel if that helps.
Great video mate ! How about the charging time ? How much KW can the used model s obtain ? As the model 3 can get up to 250kw and so speed charge
Hey man. I thought I touched on this in the video. My bad. The model s charges at 125kw. It typically takes 25-30 minutes to charge at a supercharger vs 10-15 minutes in a model 3. For me it wasn’t a big deal as it only applies to me on long road trips.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thanks for your reply, appreciate it. It's very good indeed ! I thought it was like 75kw etc, but 125kw is more than enough to be able to charge it rapidly.
can you talk more about what the extended warranty part looks like? buying a used older model S and X can be great options if one does not have to worry about the warranty on the expensive parts of these.
Yes if you click on my channel I have a video dedicated to the extended warranty and show actual screenshots of the cost and what it covers.
how do you know if the car has free lifetime supercharging ?
I have a short on my channel that shows exactly how. Hope that helps!
How about the suspension? I’ve heard mixed reviews about the suspension/ride comfort of the model 3 and Y but the S is supposed to have air suspension?
Correct many (not all) of the model s have air suspension. The ones with air suspension certainly have a better ride than a model 3
My brother traded his muscle car for a Tesla and I honestly never thought I’d consider. Now my search history is full of Tesla videos 😂. I was sold at lifetime charging 😮. This was a smooth review ✊🏽✊🏽
how'd you go about chrome delete?
I paid a local company to tackle for me. Cost about 1,000.
@@DrewsReviews2023 they did a great job. Completely modernized your Tesla
I tried to do a portion myself and realized there was no way I would be able to not have bubbles and such. Thanks!
How would you say build quality compares? How is cabin noise?
Cabin noise is similar to a brand new model 3. In comparison to a pre refresh model 3 cabin noise is much better.
I was going to get a Model Y but opted for a used Model X. Plus it has the USS which were removed from the newer Teslas hampering short distance parking...
The model x is such a cool car it was just out of my price range at the time, but I plan to buy my wife a used x soon. Thanks for adding to the thoughts.
What’s the insurance like?
I have a video on my Chanel with my level of coverage and cost, but I thought it was reasonable
Nice review. I have a 2016 S 90D. I ordered the day after the announcement that all new would have everything needed for FSD. Of course FSD still is still not delivered. But I have FSD Beta, and I've gotten updates to keep up, new computer, cameras, etc. Right now I'm trying to decide on transferring FSD to a new vehicle. The program is absolutely ridiculous. There's so many wrinkles. I will keep the S, but I can't figure out what's left after they remove FSD. I think it's Basic Autopilot, but what is that exactly? Hopefully, it's autosteer, and adaptive cruise that most cars have today.
Ah man! What are you considering upgrading to?
I was thinking X or Y. But I'm changing my mind. It's obvious that the program is all about moving products for Tesla. No consideration for the customer. The only thing for me is the potential to lose the FSD I already have if something goes wrong. My problem is logistics. I'm a Florida resident, but I'm up North for the summer. I'd have to order, fly down to take delivery, and then fly back North. If I could move the delivery into Oct, I'd be there. But then it wouldn't count in Tesla's 3Q numbers. So I guess I'll keep FSD on the S, which also has lifetime Supercharging, and it's very low mileage. I'll have it a long time.
What do you mean free charging how ?? Is it included when you buy and does that go for any 2017 model S ?? Im in the market for one rn
It’s included when the car was originally purchased. I have a short on my channel that shows how you can tell.
What is the life span of the model s or is it really worth the purchase if the mileage is over 75k?
I don’t know how long these things last
Great video! Where did you get that rear seat floor cup holder console? I’m looking for something like that.
I got mine on Amazon, I have also noticed a lot of the auto stores have these in stock often. I still think it is silly that the older models do not have cupholders in the back.
@@DrewsReviews2023 what is the name of the product? I agree it’s strange and silly they didn’t include cup holders.
I traveled for FL 7 weeks ago to buy a ‘15 P85D in ATL. Shipped it home though. So far, so fun
I bought mine in Atlanta too! For some reason Atlanta has a ton of Teslas of all kinds.
Here's my experience. In April of 2020 I bought a 2013 Model S85 from the original owner, the main drive unit and main display had already been replaced under warranty. That meant that the car I bought was on it's second drive unit and display (@90K miles). Since summer 2023 I have been experiencing episodes of the drive unit cutting out during normal driving. Within a year the issue had become worse, and by the Fall of 2024 it was happening almost every time I drove the car. So in mid-November 2024 I drove it to the local Austin, TX service center and on the drive there it cut out 3 times. When I got there they said I should leave it with them (without an appointment) because it was a "safety issue". The diagnosis (the same day) was that the drive unit was failing and had to be replaced. My choice: do nothing and have eventual total drive unit failure or cough up the money and make the replacement now. I authorized the replacement~ $6700 (out of warranty). The car has 140,000 miles now and is on it's 3rd drive unit. If I had known that this was a possible issue, I never would have bought the car back in 2020. This may not be typical for all early Model S's, but I was unlucky enough for it to happen to mine. Three (3) drive units in 140,000 miles of normal driving is not my idea of a dependable car.
Thanks for adding to the conversation. This is super helpful for those considering that model year. Sorry you had a tough time with it.
Do you still have access to free supercharging for your Tesla?
Love your video. I'm now considering buying a used Tesla. How do I know if it has free supercharging?
Thanks for the feedback. I have a video short on my channel that shows how to see if the car has free supercharging.
I would highly advise against any Tesla pre 2019, if you look at Tesla from a business perspective this is right after they first became profitable. Not saying Tesla's weren't great before but the all around quality and improvements each year are better and better. A used 2019 model 3 with FSD is the best bang for the buck IMO. Great video
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the perspective!
How do you get free supercharging?
The only way on a used Tesla, is if it was originally purchased with free supercharging. I have a short on my channel showing how to see if a used Tesla has free supercharging.
Have you had issues with the recalled center screen? It's been a major headache for me.
I personally have not had issues with the screens, but I did upgrade to the mcu2
I was thinking about getting a 2017 model for 24k what ye think ? I don’t care about the self driving tbh..
Are you factoring in the rebates available from state and federal avail to the new model 3's?
The only piece I don’t like about the tax credit is that it is not a direct immediate check and savings. Yes when filing taxes you will be made whole, but until the time you are still out the money and not everyone can swing that. It’s a great point though. Thanks for adding.
@DrewsReviews2023 I too have never bought new, my whole family always did a dealer auction with a person I know for a toyota /Lexus lease return. But I wanted my next car to be a tesla and lived the idea of free super charging. But with the ca rebate being 7500, fed up to 7500, and tesla lowering existing new inventory of model 3 to be 37,020 ..there is a lot of money on the table. I feel like the warranty and the efficiency of the new newer tech might now out weigh the charging. If tesla didn't lower the price so dramatically and if up to 15000 in rebates didn't exist in would be doing what you are doing. Been thinking about this for a year, last year would totally have done what you did. But this year the game changed. But still love the size and looks of the S, just worried about a surprise repair to either battery or the air suspension.
I think there are all solid points. You have to do what works best for you and your budget. Thanks again for contributing to the conversation.
Okay but what about the battery life? I keep reading that these things are good for maybe 8 - 10 years. I live in Ont, Canada so winters can get "cold" so that must impact that battery life.
My daughter has model s 2013, with free supercharging, which is awesome, I am thinking if I can find model s that has free supercharging that can be transfered to me I may get over new model 3, but how do you find one that has free grandfathered supercharging, how did you find and made surest was transferable
I’m not sure how you would know if transferable, but I do know you can easily tell if it has free supercharging by selecting the charging tab on the center screen. If it says last supercharging session was 0 then there is your sign. I found most of the time the dealerships weren’t aware if they had free supercharging or not.
@DrewsReviews2023 how did you know you will have then after you bought car, did you just hope it will be transferred to you.
Yup. lol I had read enough to feel confident it was the year model that would transfer if sold. Free Supercharging wasn’t a deal breaker for me it was just an extra checkbox. I truly only use free supercharging when traveling. It’s too convenient and cheap to plug into the house every night to worry about topping off at superchargers.
@DrewsReviews2023 it is dealbreaker for me though, I would only get used model s if it has free supercharging, otherwise I would just get brand new model 3.
If that is the only factor in the column of model s for you then you should probably just get the model 3. Unless you live in an apartment it is only 500 do add an outlet in your garage to plug your car into at night for a full charge in the morning. I don’t know the numbers but I would bet 70% or more of charging is done at peoples home.