Rented a Model Y and Model 3 from Hertz after getting into a car accident. The condition of the vehicles were unlike anything I’ve ever seen from a rental agency. They both felt like vehicles with over 150k miles. Outside of the speed, there weren’t any redeeming qualities. I was left feeling like they’re way overpriced.
For reference flop refers to how drastic the color change is when light is directly shining on a painted surface vs when it is just illuminated by ambient light. Think Pearlescent paint. Soul Red Crystal looks so good because it gets really dark when light is not shining directly at it, meaning it emphasizes the design more. Source: automotive design grad student
Flop is derived from the use of the term “flip-flop”, which is often used to describe a paint finish which changes hue notably as the angle of observation changes, “flipping” from one hue to another. Calling it “flipping” paint just would not do. So the colloquialism “flip-flop” entered our lexicon, no longer just foot wear, but now, obviously derived from that ubiquitous term for an ultra informal shoe, but a follow-through to round out the a term for paint which “flips” color. A flip-flop paint job is one that can appear perhaps black in certain lighting, then raven blue in others. If the industry used the term “flop” for perceived changes of hue depending upon the angle of observation PRIOR, to the custom paint world coining this term, I will stand corrected and beg forgiveness for steering anyone wrong. But in the automotive finishing world, flop is indeed the alteration of the perceived color by way of viewpoint, and is generally a derisive term, and is an attribute of inferior paint or paint application. Not generally desired. The question of whether paint flop is desired or not, can quickly be derived by the uniformity of its effect. A finish showing this “flop” only in certain areas is evidence of poor mixing, whether color mix or reducer or even hardener, poor distribution of pigmented solids in the basecoat itself, or improper application, often via irregular air pressure, or simply, being drunk on the job. Beer goggles doesn’t only apply to late night selection of prospective mating partners. With beer goggles, even poor trim work, carpentry, or painting can look first rate, till morning comes. The light only lies a little bit.
I’ve seen a couple of roughly 22-minute long videos on this channel now, in addition to saying “enjoy the show.” I can only think of one reason: you’re also now broadcast on regular TV in Canada now. Congrats! You’ve definitely earned it
@@danispringeras a music producer i entirely agree. Tried getting an understanding of dbs when i was studying some music theory, it just left me more confused than where i started
@@jeremyroper7273Or maybe I saw the exact same thing happen to a friend's Model 3? And yeah, I buy used vehicles. Right now I'm driving a BMW with 50k miles and while it has rock chips in the hood, the interior is solid and good as new.
I own a 2019 model 3 I’m not sure if I just got lucky but I love build quality of the car nothings fallen apart (yet lol) there’s no misaligned panel gaps or paint issues, no squeaking or creaking. There is a lot of wind noise at high speeds but it doesn’t really bother me the speakers are great at drowning it out. If anyone is interested in buying a used model 3 just make sure the seller took care of it and didn’t just treat it like a piece of junk because mine held up well for a lower-end ev. It’s also wicked fast not too many cars in traffic can catch up I love driving it.
My friend has a 2019 M3 with 200k miles as a taxi and its live new on the inside, take care of it and its fine. Any car that has been abused for 50k miles will look bad.
My 2019 M3 has almost 100k miles on it. I bought it 15k miles ago. Doors and trunk don't feel as solid as a German car and it's a bit too stiff for my taste. But I don't have any problem with the seats or other things. It drives brilliantly and the battery lasts another 200k. I can definitely recommend one.
I've never owned a German car but the whole " this car is falling apart" thing is pretty laughable to me. Ive had numerous cars in these cars price range and this is par for the course. In fact my latest is an F150 that I bought new and it has 28k miles on it and even with as careful as I've been these guys would definitely rate it as "falling apart" 😂😂😂
One thing to consider is consumers like myself. I’m driving a 10 year old car that I bought for $11k new. It’s small, weak, loud, and almost entirely bereft of anything that could be considered a ‘feature.’ I imagine even a 50k mile rental base model 3 would still feel like a rocket ship compared to what I drive. Of course, it’s a scale of quality and affordability, but I don’t exactly need a 2024 to get a massive upgrade from what I’m currently driving
Bought a 2019 model 3 with 55k miles on it in France about 6 months ago. It now has 68k miles and it’s almost like new. I’m really impressed with the quality even with my kids putting it thoughts it’s paces in the back…
5:04 Harrison you and I and karston all agree this was the best part of the video and the ending with it as well. James delivers it perfectly and what a powerful kick. Chuck Norris would be so proud I want to see Thomas do this next. Then Harrison don’t make James upset. I need to process the greatness of this scene
I own both vehicles. The issue with the stalks is really a non-issue after 5 minutes you get used to it and wont miss it at all. 2024 its superior in every aspect and the old has the same battery and motors . Both are great cars
Agree. In roundabouts I can see what they are speaking of but being honest, I don't use them in roundabouts anyway, as traffic is all going in the same direction anyway so the guy behind me doesn't need to see an indicator if I'm in the right only lane.
I have been driving my new model 3 for 3 months and these guys haven’t touched upon soooo many positives and negatives I live with everyday in this car. They clearly don’t own one. You have to drive it for a while to really understand if it is true value. Overall, I am glad I bought it and it is my first ever Tesla. I have driven previous models and immediately can tell the difference - the new 3 is a luxury car. This car goes fast - Porsche fast. It cleans so easily - wet microfiber and dry microfiber to wipe dry. Gets dirty easily - cleans easily. The turn stalk gone sucks at first but now i don’t notice it. I drive 4-7 hours for business and this is a comfortable ride. Sound system is not so good - it’s ok but it’s no Harmon Kardon. Carpeting is cheap. Settle touches like how the door opens - wrap around lights, seat warmer and cooler are great. Cruise control is dangerous - when a large semi passes, especially on an arching corner - the car brakes and scares the shit out of you! I’m not kidding. I called Tesla and they listened I think - after my last computer update the issue improved but not 100%. I fear the unpredictability of the car at times but I also feared the 1968 Chevy Malibu from my past - especially in wet weather. Some times the wipers go on for no reason. I love how it locks when I walk away and my phone is notified when it’s almost charges. I wish more apps on the screen pertained to me but I love of fast you can take a corner - nice wide wheels. I don’t like how condensation still manages to get in even when you put the car in car wash mode but I really like how the navigation system is so detailed and user friendly. No car seems to be perfect - I have found the same disappointments in cars 3 times the price but you live with them. This is unlike like any car I have ever known - is it a sports car or a luxury sports sedan? Yes and yes, but it’s electric and is computer controlled, so no. Either way I am enjoying the experience and look forward to what the EV market will offer in a couple years from now.
I have a 2020 Model 3 and yes that cruise control is insane at times. It has led me to scream to the car multiple times. I’m a programmer I never scream to devices usually. Overall I love the car though. It’s so fast and smooth. It almost feels like you’re driving a motorbike while everyone else is using loud mopeds.
Just bought a 2018 Model 3 performance for $29k with FSD. I’m absolutely loving it for the price. Something to be said about such a value. Mine luckily was private owner and in great shape for 50k miles
@@jissanhuq3792 if the battery does happen to fail post-warranty then I would buy a new battery? Battery cost has reduced drastically in the last few years. Where previously (early twenty-teens) they were $20kish. Now they seem to be $10-15k from Tesla. Not bad considering that I’m not in this car for more than $30k. It would still be a total investment of less than a new model 3 performance. Warranty is 8 years 120k miles
@@TheAventadorSV it’s certainly not a rip off for me. Considering I wanted this specific trim. I was cross shopping with a Miata at the same price point and this made more sense for my long commute. But to each their own
My 2020 M3P has 78k miles from new and nothing is falling apart. I’ve had no problems aside from the control arms which Tesla took care of. It’s about how you take care of the car. I have a 981S with 22k miles which honestly shows more wear in some places.
“The frog has become the snake” was a great way to summarize the design change. As not a car guy, I actually thought the frog was cool too. In the US I haven’t been in a position where not having indicator stalks would be a significant issue, but I understand that some people and places would have a lot of difficulty.
My 2018 Tesla model 3 dual motor with 52,000 miles doesn’t have any rattles or loose interior. I have taken really good care of it. There is only my wife and I and it has been garaged.
It is the single reason why I rejected Tesla for my next car. I need my driving to be familiar. I can't be goofing around looking for indicators when driving at 70 mph on a busy highway.
@@pspublic13maybe do a test drive. In the driveway is so much easier with the buttons. You don’t want a car because of that? The are a lot of good things about the car that outweigh the lack of stalks
I have an identical 2018 M3LR (even in blue!) Owned for 5.5 years and 40K miles on it and it is still pretty much new. I don't know how that one is so beat up! A few weeks ago I test drove the 2024 LR. It was nice. I loved the quiet cabin and the quality of the stereo was better but there is something wrong with the spatial imaging of the speakers IMO. I don't feel surrounded by the sound as much somehow. I don't get a wide sound even messing with all the settings. If I'm comparing the stock suspensions between both the 2024 is MUCH better. However, I upgraded to adjustable comfort coilovers in my 2018 and the ride is very close with the 2024 a little bit more comfortable. In the end, my 2018 is just about paid off and it's still a great car so I've decided to keep rolling with it. Maybe the federal tax credit will come back someday and I'll consider it again but for now I'm keeping my 2018.
@@992GTS-DCPaint is pretty good. I think I might have maybe 1 or 2 small chips. One on the very tip of the hood and one down by the front plate. I didn't go for paint protection wrap or anything either.
I have a 2018 too but 115k miles. Besides road rash on front end from 80mph highway driving, it's perfect! Honestly I now wouldn't even blink at buying a high mileage used one.
@@monicai0713 it’s nice .. everyone says I got a good deal.. looks good and drives good.. I’m going to be trying out fsd soon .. also I’m getting a 2024 y so I’ll be able to compare them ..
this is crazy, I own a 2018 model 3 that is basically identical and it does not have any of those problems, and mine has 130,000 miles! my seats are perfect, windows run perfect, no interior problems, zero rock chips (ok on this one I did ppf the front end...) it is still basically like a brand new car.
4:32 I got distracted for a few minutes and the next thing I see, James is screaming "Throttle House" like a battle call and kicking Thomas, wearing foot mats like an armour, into a pool 😂
I can't get over the fact that this, one of the highest quality YT channels EVER, doesn't already have ten times the subs 🤯 Greetings to the whole team, you're awesome! ❤
7:43 So glad you brought up the turn signal issue. Removing the traditional stalk is probably the most rediculous change I've seen in a long time. I test drove a 2024 Model 3 on regular roads with no roundabouts and I still don't like having to use those buttons. Definitely a deal breaker.
I think those are modern equestrian helmets, not medieval plate sallet helms. Good catch though. It does make you wonder what casual Canadian rustic background they picked for this.
At the price for the new Tesla 3 as they say like 54K ? that would make one wait a bit longer for Rivian R2 that just launched and is ready for orders will be available on Europe as well or if that is too much off-roady for citizens, the Hyundai ioniq 5N that is a much proper hatch with some cool tricks up in it's sleeves..
@@poplaurentiu4148 Yeah those look awesome. Only thing I would question in the range and overall efficiency compared to Tesla. I want Rivian to succeed and I hope the R2/3 gets them there.
Model 3 LR weighs less than a Kia Stinger, Acura TLX Type S, Dodge Charger….etc. Tesla vehicles are actually quite light for the amount of power they offer.
I have a 2023 model 3 and I was given a 2017 model S P100D as a loaner while they serviced my car. I would not trade the 2 in a million years. The vertical screen sucks, layout is awful, quality is terrible, steering wheel is awkward. Now if you compare a 2023 and up model S they’ve fixed all those problems but an older version is pretty bad.
50k is for the performance, extra motor, and bigger battery. The 38k Tesla is literally the same amount of goodies minus 100 miles of extra range, the extra motor, and performance.
I feel like there is a missed opportunity here.... James should have said "matness" this is Throtal House" lol, you may want to refilm it if you can get James Thomas on-bored.
_"Thankful"_ That I get to start my Sunday with Thomas and James over a cup of strong coffee, And that the BMW i8 helmet clip is still in the intro. They could review miniature cows, for all I care, I'll watch. Then I'll watch again with my wife later on.
Crazy that this 2018 is falling apart. I bought my 18’ with 50K and nothing is falling apart. The trunk liner is falling off, but that’s because it’s held on with adhesive tape instead of plastic pins like every other manufacturer. Drives great, the sound quality is amazing and the low cost of driving is awesome
I have a 2018 rwd long range sinilar to the one in the video. It was shipped across the Pacific to hawaii and back and was weighed for the ship. The total weight ready to drive with the included charger was 3549 lbs. After replacing the very bad made in mexico stock shocks with a set of koni fsd dampers the car has a hilarious ability to carry speed on a bumpy back road. The rwd model 3 being rather light up front has a suprisingly nice rear weight bias feel. I have no issues keeping up with my freind in an e46 m3. I myself also own an e46 vert and I also feel like I cant drive as fast in that car as the model 3 with proper shocks. No longer nerfed by trash dampers the car gains this complaince finally able to breathe and flow with the road. The whole set is not expensice and highly recommended for all older model 3s. Really changes the way the chassis feels.
Had many BMW's and now stuck with the 2018 Dual Motor. I actually prefer the Model 3 but do find the rear seems the area that needs addressing. The front has instant turn in, good grip, and then the rear seems like a firetruck where it's waiting to see what the front is doing. My gut says rear springs are too soft as it's unsettled at high speed. Is that what you have found?
My Model 3 has 90,000 miles and none of the issues of the rental bag of nails you two chose. 20k for a second hand one? Yes please! I’ll buy a second one as an additional family car, as they’re supposed to last 300k miles! Love the channel, keep ‘em coming. 😎
I was wondering why their old model 3 was in such bad condition. My car is 2019 with 81k miles and it does not have any of the issues mentioned other than so rock chips
@@ValidAsian Most rental cars are used and abused, people don't give a F when it's not their property. Why i would never buy a car that was previously owned by a rental company.
I don't know - 50k miles (80K kms) isn't high mileage at all. My 8 year old, 140K km BMW 328 has no creaks, nothing broken and looks pretty new inside still.
I live in Europe and am driving a Highland for 12 weeks now. The indicator buttons work just fine, you just need to get used to them, and press then just a little earlier on roundabouts. Wouldn’t even wanna go back to stalks honestly!
I just bought a 2022 Model 3, Standard Range RWD for $18,900 after the $4000.00 federal rebate. It has 77,000 miles on it, and it is immaculate. It looks almost brand new. It had one owner and hasn't had any accidents. Even the wheels are in good shape and are not scratched. The battery is in great shape, and it has only lost 3%-5% range. Recurrent states it has retained 253 miles of its original 272 mile range In real money (actual cost), it's $26,000 cheaper than the 2024 Model 3 Standard Range. To me, buying the 2022 was a no brainer - its not even close. My car also has the same wheels as your 2024 Model 3.
@@sunnysider6350 Stupid people (like you) ask stupid questions. I might have been patient with your question if you were not such a smartass. And no, Einstein, it was privately owned, it was not a Hertz rental car. Regardless, AS I SAID, the car is in immaculate condition and the battery retains 95% of its capacity. I recently charged it to a 100% and it showed a 258 mile range. Brand new 2022 only got in the high 260s because the battery percentage on new Teslas drops at least 3% within the first few months (on all Tesla models). BTW I wasn't bragging. I was providing additional information for readers interested in used Teslas.
You guys said more in five minutes about buying a used Tesla than most other channels have said in 3x that time. A great succinct way to make me really consider if purchasing one used (not considering new) is the way to go, or just continue to buy petrol until the quality improves.
Something extreme to keep in mind is that even a used tesla is still going to come with new tesla maintenance costs being required to take it to the stealership for any repairs
@@TwinsAndAPitBull interior wise, maybe. But be real. A Model 3 Dual Motor long range is faster than any 3 series. Performance wise, compare it to a 3 series and not a Kia. My comparison still holds true 😂
I think a more fair comparison is a new 2023 Model 3 and a 2024 model 3. I bought the 2023 model 3 for about 28k (After tax credits). I like its look much more. If you show the design of the two cars to someone who has never seen a model 3 before, they would probably pick the 2023 model. People are just used to seeing the old one around and think the new one is cooler. The lights on the new one are really good on their own, doesn't really go well with the car though. Kinda reminds me of ionic 6. The old one is more reminiscent of the Porsche aesthetic. The back lights look like the older lobster lights of Honda civic. The accent lights are a gimmick. Maybe teenagers will like them. The wood interior is far superior than what is on there now. And loosing the stalks was the last straw. The only pro I see is the quieter ride. To me thats not worth an additional 25k. I am in love with my 2023 model.
The new one has: a (much) quieter ride, more comfortable frequency adaptive suspension, crisper hardware 4 cameras, an extremely improved sound system, far better Wifi and Bluetooth connectivity (phone unlock is much more reliably than in older models), much sexier looking rear end, adaptive matrix LED headlights activated now in Europe, overall very much noticeable build quality improvements in the interieur (thank god got rid of that wood trim!), ventilated perforated seats (very very nice in hot summer days), new version of upper control arms so they don't start to queak after 40k miles
I don’t know what you are talking about. My car is quiet enough, don’t need it to be any quieter. My phone unlock is super reliable, never had it not work for me. My sound system is AMAZING, better than any of the fancy cars I have driven as well. Maybe the new one is slightly better, but who cares. I disagree the rear end is sexier. It’s flat out boring and ugly. Maybe some people like the tesla being spelled out. I hate it. I have not had any build quality issues so far. Maybe that will change in the future. I’ll give you ventilated seats. But if given the choice id still probably choose the leather seats because they look better. California weather is not so bad that I would need ventilated seats. But yeah it’s helpful to have it. But once again, no way are the upgrades even close to justifying paying an additional 25k. I am very very happy with my purchase. But hey maybe they make sense for you, so you do you. :-)
Did you say the old one only had 50k miles?! I've got a blue 2018 with 50k miles and the interior is practically mint. One squish on the passenger seat bolster and that's really it. On the outside I've got some paint wear on the side skirts right behind the front tires and that's really the extent of the damage out there too.
I upgraded from my 2020 Model 3, which had about 79,000 miles, to a 2023 Model 3. It was white with a white interior, just like when I first got it. The interior and exterior didn't wear out. It all depends on how you use and maintain them-they're excellent cars.
Iv never resonated so hard with a yt vid sponsor lol. Had full weathertech catalog in all my cars for the last 8yrs. Cost me a fortune. Bummed to see no Tesla model Y in RHD Australia :S
I drove a new M3 as my first EV. It took me all of 5 minutes to get used to and like no stalks for turn signals or anything else. Not spending that much, but it was a fun ride.
You’re right, also took only a few minutes to get used to it. I’d still prefer stocks for now tho. In other news have you tried demo’ing any other teslas ?
honestly i think the pornhub intro sound is the best unlock sound for this xd also the "next 4 MILFs" and the "I am dry now" jokes were absolute bangers
Definitely have to go with 2020 or later for the model 3. Just picked up a 2020 model 3 with 60k miles on it and it’s a gorgeous car and has been a great experience
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Can't believe my standards have dropped this low, but the older version is better for the simple fact it has stalks (and radar)
radar is deactivated… but is has still USS
they're both junk
@@hardywoodaway9912 from what I gather it does not not have USS.
@@BikerJim74ah the ignorance.
The s3xy buttons company is working on stalks. Will be releasing soon it appears.
the condition of the model 3 at 50k miles is wild. Even if it is a rental.
They seem to fall apart just like their resale value.
@@bandwagon240people complained the prices were too high. Now they complain that prices are too low. Haters going to hate.
Rented a Model Y and Model 3 from Hertz after getting into a car accident. The condition of the vehicles were unlike anything I’ve ever seen from a rental agency. They both felt like vehicles with over 150k miles. Outside of the speed, there weren’t any redeeming qualities. I was left feeling like they’re way overpriced.
Designed obsolescence
Yeah, that's atrocious. Even if it was a rental it's whole life.
For reference flop refers to how drastic the color change is when light is directly shining on a painted surface vs when it is just illuminated by ambient light. Think Pearlescent paint. Soul Red Crystal looks so good because it gets really dark when light is not shining directly at it, meaning it emphasizes the design more.
Source: automotive design grad student
Mazda also makes a really nice Pearlescent white for the Miata, the only white I would ever want.
Flop is derived from the use of the term “flip-flop”, which is often used to describe a paint finish which changes hue notably as the angle of observation changes, “flipping” from one hue to another. Calling it “flipping” paint just would not do. So the colloquialism “flip-flop” entered our lexicon, no longer just foot wear, but now, obviously derived from that ubiquitous term for an ultra informal shoe, but a follow-through to round out the a term for paint which “flips” color. A flip-flop paint job is one that can appear perhaps black in certain lighting, then raven blue in others. If the industry used the term “flop” for perceived changes of hue depending upon the angle of observation PRIOR, to the custom paint world coining this term, I will stand corrected and beg forgiveness for steering anyone wrong. But in the automotive finishing world, flop is indeed the alteration of the perceived color by way of viewpoint, and is generally a derisive term, and is an attribute of inferior paint or paint application. Not generally desired. The question of whether paint flop is desired or not, can quickly be derived by the uniformity of its effect. A finish showing this “flop” only in certain areas is evidence of poor mixing, whether color mix or reducer or even hardener, poor distribution of pigmented solids in the basecoat itself, or improper application, often via irregular air pressure, or simply, being drunk on the job. Beer goggles doesn’t only apply to late night selection of prospective mating partners. With beer goggles, even poor trim work, carpentry, or painting can look first rate, till morning comes. The light only lies a little bit.
@@andrewhigdon8346 as a fellow refinisher, this too bothered me.
@@UyeGamingI’ve got a pearl white CX-30. It actually hits when it’s clean and sunny out.
lol. A friend’s dad used to say flop meant someone tripped over their own penis.
I hope the helmet I8 scene never leaves the intros.
Haha I noticed the new intro while watching and was hoping they hadn’t removed it. So glad they didn’t and hope they don’t too.
Until that old one needs a new battery. I'm all about saving money though.
Gets me every time. That noise.
I’ve seen a couple of roughly 22-minute long videos on this channel now, in addition to saying “enjoy the show.” I can only think of one reason: you’re also now broadcast on regular TV in Canada now. Congrats! You’ve definitely earned it
As an FYI on the decibel scale, 3dB is about double the intensity. A 3-6dB difference is really impressive!
db are weird. Yes 3db is double the intensity, but humans don't actually recognize it as double the loudness.
Double loudness, for a human, is around 10db, which is pretty neat to consider.
the more one tries to undertand dbs... the less sense they make... I play live for a while now... I still don't get it! 😅
@@danispringeras a music producer i entirely agree. Tried getting an understanding of dbs when i was studying some music theory, it just left me more confused than where i started
Could all be tire related though.
No, the separated B pillar trim is a feature! Extra ventilation!
@@jeremyroper7273Or maybe I saw the exact same thing happen to a friend's Model 3? And yeah, I buy used vehicles. Right now I'm driving a BMW with 50k miles and while it has rock chips in the hood, the interior is solid and good as new.
@@jeremyroper7273 Found the investor.
Tesla can fix that. It’s just a clip the problem. Is people put pressure on it when they get out of the car.
"NEXT 4 MILFS" had me do a double take, rofl
Only made it to one
That was hilarious!
@@SadfoxGuyver Still at zero here
Currently Ive traveled as far as mile marker 2 on milf road.
I expect to pursue it more
I had to rewind thrice as well.
I own a 2019 model 3 I’m not sure if I just got lucky but I love build quality of the car nothings fallen apart (yet lol) there’s no misaligned panel gaps or paint issues, no squeaking or creaking. There is a lot of wind noise at high speeds but it doesn’t really bother me the speakers are great at drowning it out. If anyone is interested in buying a used model 3 just make sure the seller took care of it and didn’t just treat it like a piece of junk because mine held up well for a lower-end ev. It’s also wicked fast not too many cars in traffic can catch up I love driving it.
2018 here, 115k miles, it's still perfect. Only service is from the tire shop at Costco.
Wait, wait, are you telling me internet trolls are wrong? /s
Yeah, same here.
2019 sr here with 54k miles. Its a great city car.
i think because ev have no motor there is more wind noise. my chevy bolt has lots of wind noise on the highway
My friend has a 2019 M3 with 200k miles as a taxi and its live new on the inside, take care of it and its fine. Any car that has been abused for 50k miles will look bad.
My 2019 M3 has almost 100k miles on it. I bought it 15k miles ago. Doors and trunk don't feel as solid as a German car and it's a bit too stiff for my taste. But I don't have any problem with the seats or other things. It drives brilliantly and the battery lasts another 200k. I can definitely recommend one.
I've never owned a German car but the whole " this car is falling apart" thing is pretty laughable to me. Ive had numerous cars in these cars price range and this is par for the course. In fact my latest is an F150 that I bought new and it has 28k miles on it and even with as careful as I've been these guys would definitely rate it as "falling apart" 😂😂😂
“Can I get a HOOOOYYYYYYAAAAA” 😂
HHHHHHHHOOOOOYYYYYAAAAAAA
HoooooooooYeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh
HOOOOYYYYYAAAAAA!!!!
Hoya
I'm outta the loop. Whats the reference?
9:57 “I’m dry now thanks for asking” The Liner Rechie segment was golden I love you guys so much😂😂😂
Karston's nod was ominous. Remind me to stay on his good side.
If Karston has a good side, no one has found it yet LOL
@@redcarrot1148. I have he has a heart of gold
One thing to consider is consumers like myself. I’m driving a 10 year old car that I bought for $11k new. It’s small, weak, loud, and almost entirely bereft of anything that could be considered a ‘feature.’ I imagine even a 50k mile rental base model 3 would still feel like a rocket ship compared to what I drive. Of course, it’s a scale of quality and affordability, but I don’t exactly need a 2024 to get a massive upgrade from what I’m currently driving
Have to agree with you. But I've come to realize, this is a comedy show not a review.
Bought a 2019 model 3 with 55k miles on it in France about 6 months ago.
It now has 68k miles and it’s almost like new. I’m really impressed with the quality even with my kids putting it thoughts it’s paces in the back…
I feel the same about my 2018 model 3
Pretty sure, the quality of the cars in Europe is way better compared to the US, since it´s built in China ;)
@@SvikDKUS struggles to make good cars. Have to agree. But this isn't just a Tesla problem.
@@MicahJoshuaBarnard You are probally right.
The classic duo intro is never change at all 😂👍
Props to the videographer - really nice, cinematic shots and overall look.
5:04 Harrison you and I and karston all agree this was the best part of the video and the ending with it as well. James delivers it perfectly and what a powerful kick. Chuck Norris would be so proud I want to see Thomas do this next. Then Harrison don’t make James upset. I need to process the greatness of this scene
I own both vehicles. The issue with the stalks is really a non-issue after 5 minutes you get used to it and wont miss it at all. 2024 its superior in every aspect and the old has the same battery and motors . Both are great cars
Agree. In roundabouts I can see what they are speaking of but being honest, I don't use them in roundabouts anyway, as traffic is all going in the same direction anyway so the guy behind me doesn't need to see an indicator if I'm in the right only lane.
I have been driving my new model 3 for 3 months and these guys haven’t touched upon soooo many positives and negatives I live with everyday in this car. They clearly don’t own one. You have to drive it for a while to really understand if it is true value. Overall, I am glad I bought it and it is my first ever Tesla. I have driven previous models and immediately can tell the difference - the new 3 is a luxury car. This car goes fast - Porsche fast. It cleans so easily - wet microfiber and dry microfiber to wipe dry. Gets dirty easily - cleans easily. The turn stalk gone sucks at first but now i don’t notice it. I drive 4-7 hours for business and this is a comfortable ride. Sound system is not so good - it’s ok but it’s no Harmon Kardon. Carpeting is cheap. Settle touches like how the door opens - wrap around lights, seat warmer and cooler are great. Cruise control is dangerous - when a large semi passes, especially on an arching corner - the car brakes and scares the shit out of you! I’m not kidding. I called Tesla and they listened I think - after my last computer update the issue improved but not 100%. I fear the unpredictability of the car at times but I also feared the 1968 Chevy Malibu from my past - especially in wet weather. Some times the wipers go on for no reason. I love how it locks when I walk away and my phone is notified when it’s almost charges. I wish more apps on the screen pertained to me but I love of fast you can take a corner - nice wide wheels. I don’t like how condensation still manages to get in even when you put the car in car wash mode but I really like how the navigation system is so detailed and user friendly. No car seems to be perfect - I have found the same disappointments in cars 3 times the price but you live with them. This is unlike like any car I have ever known - is it a sports car or a luxury sports sedan? Yes and yes, but it’s electric and is computer controlled, so no. Either way I am enjoying the experience and look forward to what the EV market will offer in a couple years from now.
THANKS
I have had my 2024 model 3 for about 3 weeks now and I can confirm all of this to be true
I have a 2020 Model 3 and yes that cruise control is insane at times. It has led me to scream to the car multiple times. I’m a programmer I never scream to devices usually. Overall I love the car though. It’s so fast and smooth. It almost feels like you’re driving a motorbike while everyone else is using loud mopeds.
Great write-up!
Awesome write up here. Why don't you make videos? Very good take.
Just bought a 2018 Model 3 performance for $29k with FSD. I’m absolutely loving it for the price. Something to be said about such a value. Mine luckily was private owner and in great shape for 50k miles
And what’s the plan in 3 years when you have to consider a new battery? I’m actually pro EV but used seems like a difficult proposition
@@jissanhuq3792 if the battery does happen to fail post-warranty then I would buy a new battery? Battery cost has reduced drastically in the last few years. Where previously (early twenty-teens) they were $20kish. Now they seem to be $10-15k from Tesla. Not bad considering that I’m not in this car for more than $30k. It would still be a total investment of less than a new model 3 performance. Warranty is 8 years 120k miles
This warranty also covers if the battery degrades below 70% of original capacity. We are seeing I believe degradation of around 1-2% every year though
@@TheAventadorSV it’s certainly not a rip off for me. Considering I wanted this specific trim. I was cross shopping with a Miata at the same price point and this made more sense for my long commute. But to each their own
@@jissanhuq3792 who says the battery needs to be replaced in 3 years?
My 2020 M3P has 78k miles from new and nothing is falling apart. I’ve had no problems aside from the control arms which Tesla took care of. It’s about how you take care of the car. I have a 981S with 22k miles which honestly shows more wear in some places.
Liner Richie is bloody brilliant
liner 😂😂😂
9:55 - the reaction I get when I try some of my best pickup lines
I love your guys channel, its always a "oh hell yeah" moment when I open youtube and see a new video is up.
“The frog has become the snake” was a great way to summarize the design change. As not a car guy, I actually thought the frog was cool too. In the US I haven’t been in a position where not having indicator stalks would be a significant issue, but I understand that some people and places would have a lot of difficulty.
They'll probably activate auto turn signals for drives when you use the nav system.
I've got a Tesla 3, 2024 edition without stalks.
I was worried about it when getting it, but now I'm used to it, it's fine. Hope it helps.
The 300 reference perfection !
Watching James '300' sparta kick Thomas into the pool made my day 😂
The flip from Lionel Ritchie to SPARTA!!! owned me.
My 2018 Tesla model 3 dual motor with 52,000 miles doesn’t have any rattles or loose interior. I have taken really good care of it. There is only my wife and I and it has been garaged.
Agreed! The removal of the indicator stalk is downright catastrophic!
It is the single reason why I rejected Tesla for my next car. I need my driving to be familiar. I can't be goofing around looking for indicators when driving at 70 mph on a busy highway.
@@pspublic13 my dad switched from a 2021 Model 3 to a 2024 Model 3 recently, and you get used to the indicators in about a week
I have a new Model S with no stalks and now love it! Some people are just dry in their ways. Really sad actually 😢
You would be the guy: i want my horses, no weird steam engine
@@pspublic13maybe do a test drive. In the driveway is so much easier with the buttons.
You don’t want a car because of that? The are a lot of good things about the car that outweigh the lack of stalks
I have an identical 2018 M3LR (even in blue!) Owned for 5.5 years and 40K miles on it and it is still pretty much new. I don't know how that one is so beat up! A few weeks ago I test drove the 2024 LR. It was nice. I loved the quiet cabin and the quality of the stereo was better but there is something wrong with the spatial imaging of the speakers IMO. I don't feel surrounded by the sound as much somehow. I don't get a wide sound even messing with all the settings. If I'm comparing the stock suspensions between both the 2024 is MUCH better. However, I upgraded to adjustable comfort coilovers in my 2018 and the ride is very close with the 2024 a little bit more comfortable. In the end, my 2018 is just about paid off and it's still a great car so I've decided to keep rolling with it. Maybe the federal tax credit will come back someday and I'll consider it again but for now I'm keeping my 2018.
Yeah the rental they got was unusually bad. My 2019 Model 3 is like new at 65k
@@allaround200anything to hate on Tesla build quality. I guess.
How’s the paint? Every Tesla I see is complete with a rash of stone chips up front and scratches on each corner due to the lack of parking sensors?
@@992GTS-DCPaint is pretty good. I think I might have maybe 1 or 2 small chips. One on the very tip of the hood and one down by the front plate. I didn't go for paint protection wrap or anything either.
I have a 2018 too but 115k miles. Besides road rash on front end from 80mph highway driving, it's perfect! Honestly I now wouldn't even blink at buying a high mileage used one.
The fact you paid homage to my favourite scene in fine cinema is why this is my favourite channel by far
"Fine cinema"hahaha realy?
Just picked up a 2020 model 3 for $14,200 with 86,000 miles
how is it??
Yes please we need more reviews with older models like 1 year, 3 year, 5 year, 10 year, 15, and 20 year updates :)
@@monicai0713 it’s nice .. everyone says I got a good deal.. looks good and drives good.. I’m going to be trying out fsd soon .. also I’m getting a 2024 y so I’ll be able to compare them ..
Congratulations you’re ‘extra’ 😂
How so cheap? Is that with tax credit?
5:10 You can see Thomas mouthing "this is throttlehouse" 😆
this is crazy, I own a 2018 model 3 that is basically identical and it does not have any of those problems, and mine has 130,000 miles! my seats are perfect, windows run perfect, no interior problems, zero rock chips (ok on this one I did ppf the front end...) it is still basically like a brand new car.
Some people just don't look after anything!
The Tesla hate is real
4:32 I got distracted for a few minutes and the next thing I see, James is screaming "Throttle House" like a battle call and kicking Thomas, wearing foot mats like an armour, into a pool 😂
Did you catch the reference? I hope you didn't, so it'll hit better when you find out! 😅
@@JESUSISCALLINGYOU7 What was it, please tell me
THIS IS SPARTA
I can't get over the fact that this, one of the highest quality YT channels EVER, doesn't already have ten times the subs 🤯
Greetings to the whole team, you're awesome! ❤
Big shoutout to weathertech for letting these guys do what they do. If I ever need liners for my car (I won't) you'd be my first choice.
Funny +Informative = Perfection More please!!
“I get it, I get it. You like wood.” 16:31
😂
I was looking for this comment 😂😂😂
James slipped that in and didn't think we would notice 💀
Is it 🏳️🌈 true🏳️🌈 tho?
The "300" Reference was over the top funny ! as well as the Mlif. You guys do great funny and informational content. Keep it going !
Video production has gone up a level
Thank you for finally settling the Highland naming controversy!
7:43 So glad you brought up the turn signal issue. Removing the traditional stalk is probably the most rediculous change I've seen in a long time. I test drove a 2024 Model 3 on regular roads with no roundabouts and I still don't like having to use those buttons. Definitely a deal breaker.
😂😂 his face when he looked back after locking it 😂😂
@14:33 Am I the only one who saw knights on horseback in the background??
Black Noir on a horsie
Thought it was Batman
I think those are modern equestrian helmets, not medieval plate sallet helms. Good catch though. It does make you wonder what casual Canadian rustic background they picked for this.
@@seth1422yeah there must be a trail back behind them.
@@seth1422 They shot this in Thousand Oaks, California
Yikes. My 2018 has 180,000 kms and has none of those issues. Still feels new.
It’s a rental car, those get abused on average and I’m sure on this it’s worse, likely poor charging, aggressive only driving
At the price for the new Tesla 3 as they say like 54K ? that would make one wait a bit longer for Rivian R2 that just launched and is ready for orders will be available on Europe as well or if that is too much off-roady for citizens, the Hyundai ioniq 5N that is a much proper hatch with some cool tricks up in it's sleeves..
@@poplaurentiu4148 Yeah those look awesome. Only thing I would question in the range and overall efficiency compared to Tesla. I want Rivian to succeed and I hope the R2/3 gets them there.
Model 3 LR weighs less than a Kia Stinger, Acura TLX Type S, Dodge Charger….etc. Tesla vehicles are actually quite light for the amount of power they offer.
That must have been a rental or something Jesus Christ😂 my 2019 m3p has hardly any of these issues at 35k miles
1:52 Now where would anyone get that idea...
I think you need to do a comparison between a 2024 Model 3 and an old Model S. Would love to see if you think older Model S's hold up.
I have a 2017 Model S. I test drove the highland. I was impressed with the ride. Almost as good as mine with air suspension.
I have a 2023 model 3 and I was given a 2017 model S P100D as a loaner while they serviced my car. I would not trade the 2 in a million years. The vertical screen sucks, layout is awful, quality is terrible, steering wheel is awkward. Now if you compare a 2023 and up model S they’ve fixed all those problems but an older version is pretty bad.
@nima6150 they fixed all that stuff you're talking about since the 2021 model s but yea
@@TCETESLAthey definitely didn’t fix the quality
@Courtesyflush52 Relative to a model 3 which he was comparing it to the S is better quality.
Lol. That has to be one of the best intro skits yet from TH!
Cyber truck was my fav
@@porleg Prius was my favourite
Nothing could beat Prius so far
James as a fellow Englishman in Canada you are everything that is the best about being British 🙏🙏🙏 your humour is the same as mine 😎😎😎
cool watching you guys driving through my hometown roads. Nice and insightful video
1:23 I like that vandalized "MILES"
It was worth it just for the Carson head nod.
Love the new 3, but $50k is a lot for a car with such a pedestrian interior. I'm guessing that Tesla makes a bundle of profit with these things.
Easily the best car I’ve ever owned but still too expensive. But a used one. Lot better value.
50k is not 50k anymore
50k is for the performance, extra motor, and bigger battery. The 38k Tesla is literally the same amount of goodies minus 100 miles of extra range, the extra motor, and performance.
@@TheReal_JG And the 17 speaker system with dual subs.
There is no 2024 Performance, only rwd and lr.@@TheReal_JG
Goddamn james bringing the heat with that kick
The Model 3 Highland is the best car ever made. Fast, comfortable, reliable, great price. Couldn't ask for more!
I feel like there is a missed opportunity here.... James should have said "matness" this is Throtal House" lol, you may want to refilm it if you can get James Thomas on-bored.
_"Thankful"_
That I get to start my Sunday with Thomas and James over a cup of strong coffee,
And that the BMW i8 helmet clip is still in the intro.
They could review miniature cows, for all I care, I'll watch. Then I'll watch again with my wife later on.
hats off to the editing team. WOW
The beginning of the video is very well done
The only adverts I don’t skip over lol.
My biggest argument for the old one is for 40-50k you can have one ‘24 model 3, or for the same price get TWO older/used model 3’s.
Crazy that this 2018 is falling apart. I bought my 18’ with 50K and nothing is falling apart. The trunk liner is falling off, but that’s because it’s held on with adhesive tape instead of plastic pins like every other manufacturer. Drives great, the sound quality is amazing and the low cost of driving is awesome
I have a 2018 rwd long range sinilar to the one in the video. It was shipped across the Pacific to hawaii and back and was weighed for the ship. The total weight ready to drive with the included charger was 3549 lbs. After replacing the very bad made in mexico stock shocks with a set of koni fsd dampers the car has a hilarious ability to carry speed on a bumpy back road. The rwd model 3 being rather light up front has a suprisingly nice rear weight bias feel. I have no issues keeping up with my freind in an e46 m3. I myself also own an e46 vert and I also feel like I cant drive as fast in that car as the model 3 with proper shocks. No longer nerfed by trash dampers the car gains this complaince finally able to breathe and flow with the road. The whole set is not expensice and highly recommended for all older model 3s. Really changes the way the chassis feels.
Had many BMW's and now stuck with the 2018 Dual Motor. I actually prefer the Model 3 but do find the rear seems the area that needs addressing. The front has instant turn in, good grip, and then the rear seems like a firetruck where it's waiting to see what the front is doing. My gut says rear springs are too soft as it's unsettled at high speed. Is that what you have found?
"THIS IS THROTTLE HOUSE" 🔥
My Model 3 has 90,000 miles and none of the issues of the rental bag of nails you two chose. 20k for a second hand one? Yes please! I’ll buy a second one as an additional family car, as they’re supposed to last 300k miles! Love the channel, keep ‘em coming. 😎
I was wondering why their old model 3 was in such bad condition. My car is 2019 with 81k miles and it does not have any of the issues mentioned other than so rock chips
@@ValidAsian Most rental cars are used and abused, people don't give a F when it's not their property. Why i would never buy a car that was previously owned by a rental company.
I don't know - 50k miles (80K kms) isn't high mileage at all. My 8 year old, 140K km BMW 328 has no creaks, nothing broken and looks pretty new inside still.
I absolutely expected that lock sound and wore my headphones quick.Thank god🤣😂
🚥Those damn intros get me every time 😂😂😂😂…..Can I get a ohhhhhhyeahhhhh 😂😂😂😂😂🏁🏁
your crew has an Escalade?
wow you’ve been spoiling them
Probably a rental, their main camera car is a Land Rover. Check out Extra Throttle House
I live in Europe and am driving a Highland for 12 weeks now. The indicator buttons work just fine, you just need to get used to them, and press then just a little earlier on roundabouts. Wouldn’t even wanna go back to stalks honestly!
Karston with the sick editing skills as per usual 🔥
I'm not a fan of the cheapest BEVs on the market, and my experience with Tesla is just ridiculous... BUT, you guys make so good videos :)
As the owner of a 2020 M3, I haven't found the build quality to be an issue at all. I actually find it to be well above average.
“They haven’t improved their quality so you might as well buy the one that already fell apart.” Wow.
I just bought a 2022 Model 3, Standard Range RWD for $18,900 after the $4000.00 federal rebate. It has 77,000 miles on it, and it is immaculate. It looks almost brand new. It had one owner and hasn't had any accidents. Even the wheels are in good shape and are not scratched.
The battery is in great shape, and it has only lost 3%-5% range. Recurrent states it has retained 253 miles of its original 272 mile range
In real money (actual cost), it's $26,000 cheaper than the 2024 Model 3 Standard Range. To me, buying the 2022 was a no brainer - its not even close.
My car also has the same wheels as your 2024 Model 3.
Was that one owner Hertz who rented it to Uber or Lyft? LOL
@@sunnysider6350 Stupid people (like you) ask stupid questions. I might have been patient with your question if you were not such a smartass. And no, Einstein, it was privately owned, it was not a Hertz rental car. Regardless, AS I SAID, the car is in immaculate condition and the battery retains 95% of its capacity. I recently charged it to a 100% and it showed a 258 mile range. Brand new 2022 only got in the high 260s because the battery percentage on new Teslas drops at least 3% within the first few months (on all Tesla models).
BTW I wasn't bragging. I was providing additional information for readers interested in used Teslas.
You guys said more in five minutes about buying a used Tesla than most other channels have said in 3x that time. A great succinct way to make me really consider if purchasing one used (not considering new) is the way to go, or just continue to buy petrol until the quality improves.
Something extreme to keep in mind is that even a used tesla is still going to come with new tesla maintenance costs being required to take it to the stealership for any repairs
50 thousand? I thought the purpose of the Model 3 was to be affordable.
Compare it to a BMW 3 Series, not a Kia Forte 😂
@@jwillautoblogFeels more like a Kia than a BMW tbh. That’s not the insult it used to be though.
@@TwinsAndAPitBull interior wise, maybe.
But be real.
A Model 3 Dual Motor long range is faster than any 3 series.
Performance wise, compare it to a 3 series and not a Kia.
My comparison still holds true 😂
It lost its 7500 tax credit.
I think the base starts at 38k, that's the all wheel drive version
I think a more fair comparison is a new 2023 Model 3 and a 2024 model 3. I bought the 2023 model 3 for about 28k (After tax credits). I like its look much more. If you show the design of the two cars to someone who has never seen a model 3 before, they would probably pick the 2023 model. People are just used to seeing the old one around and think the new one is cooler. The lights on the new one are really good on their own, doesn't really go well with the car though. Kinda reminds me of ionic 6. The old one is more reminiscent of the Porsche aesthetic. The back lights look like the older lobster lights of Honda civic. The accent lights are a gimmick. Maybe teenagers will like them. The wood interior is far superior than what is on there now. And loosing the stalks was the last straw. The only pro I see is the quieter ride. To me thats not worth an additional 25k. I am in love with my 2023 model.
The new one has: a (much) quieter ride, more comfortable frequency adaptive suspension, crisper hardware 4 cameras, an extremely improved sound system, far better Wifi and Bluetooth connectivity (phone unlock is much more reliably than in older models), much sexier looking rear end, adaptive matrix LED headlights activated now in Europe, overall very much noticeable build quality improvements in the interieur (thank god got rid of that wood trim!), ventilated perforated seats (very very nice in hot summer days), new version of upper control arms so they don't start to queak after 40k miles
I don’t know what you are talking about. My car is quiet enough, don’t need it to be any quieter. My phone unlock is super reliable, never had it not work for me. My sound system is AMAZING, better than any of the fancy cars I have driven as well. Maybe the new one is slightly better, but who cares. I disagree the rear end is sexier. It’s flat out boring and ugly. Maybe some people like the tesla being spelled out. I hate it. I have not had any build quality issues so far. Maybe that will change in the future. I’ll give you ventilated seats. But if given the choice id still probably choose the leather seats because they look better. California weather is not so bad that I would need ventilated seats. But yeah it’s helpful to have it. But once again, no way are the upgrades even close to justifying paying an additional 25k. I am very very happy with my purchase. But hey maybe they make sense for you, so you do you. :-)
THIS!! IS!! THROTTLE HOUSE!!! 😂🤣😂🤣
And the sequel: THIS IS THROTTLE CLUB HOUSE
Can't stand Teslas, but that 300 reference got me hard 😂😂😂
You guys can do no wrong at this point
You guys must be wicked fun at parties! LOL
Did you say the old one only had 50k miles?! I've got a blue 2018 with 50k miles and the interior is practically mint. One squish on the passenger seat bolster and that's really it. On the outside I've got some paint wear on the side skirts right behind the front tires and that's really the extent of the damage out there too.
Rental car though. The thing has been mangled.
It's a Tesla rental, it's run been run through like a Lamborghini and maintained like a Toyota.
Can I get a huuuuuhhhhhyeaaaaahhhh 😆 that's when I knew this video was going to be great.
Mounted an android tablet for hud and run highway radar with Waze.
Better than any hud from any oem.
11:51 I wouldn't call it old school, I'd call it an objectively better design decision
I upgraded from my 2020 Model 3, which had about 79,000 miles, to a 2023 Model 3. It was white with a white interior, just like when I first got it. The interior and exterior didn't wear out. It all depends on how you use and maintain them-they're excellent cars.
I knew James was a Spartan.
Not having a speedometer right Infront is a massive annoyance. Atleast put a heads-up display...
THIS IS THROTTLE HOUSE 😂😂😂 excellent kick Leonidas!!! Great vid gentleman
I bet the more expensive one will support more updates, and the cheaper one will stop supporting updates soon. Yep cars are tech now.
Iv never resonated so hard with a yt vid sponsor lol. Had full weathertech catalog in all my cars for the last 8yrs. Cost me a fortune. Bummed to see no Tesla model Y in RHD Australia :S
I drove a new M3 as my first EV. It took me all of 5 minutes to get used to and like no stalks for turn signals or anything else. Not spending that much, but it was a fun ride.
You’re right, also took only a few minutes to get used to it. I’d still prefer stocks for now tho. In other news have you tried demo’ing any other teslas ?
Mad Matts...Liner Richie.... Excellent!
honestly i think the pornhub intro sound is the best unlock sound for this xd
also the "next 4 MILFs" and the "I am dry now" jokes were absolute bangers
Definitely have to go with 2020 or later for the model 3. Just picked up a 2020 model 3 with 60k miles on it and it’s a gorgeous car and has been a great experience
6:56 that shake off lol 😂