Since I switched to AMD I have no complaints, on the contrary I am very happy, now when I installed Windows 11 I noticed that the performance dropped a bit compared to 10
@@jigorokano_kr lol if the price difference isn't crazy, i'll likely sell my 7800x3d at its original retail price and swap over. bound to be other people doing that
@jigorokano_kr I am just grateful that I live close to a micro center that sells them with a bundle on a discount. Was able to get mine for $400 pice with ram, and a motherboard
@@AmeJoutenthat will only work if you do it now….. when the 9800x3d comes out the 7800x3d price will drop, unless the 9800x3d gets completely sold out everywhere leaving the 7800x3d the only one in stock leaving it at its original MSRP
same here. i'm upgrading my pc soon and plan to use it for both gaming and productivity, so i've been pushed towards non-x3d chips, but a 12 core single ccd 9900x3d would actually be perfect.. still plenty of cores for productivity, and gaming performance on par if not better than the 8 core 9800x3d
I actually didn't mind it. I was bored and had nothing to watch. It killed 1 hour and 40 minutes. It wasn't the worst movie I have seen. People these days have a habit of blowing things out of proportion. I don't know if it's because they are attention seekers or just like to whinge about something because they have a bitter personality.
I got to see it, originally Chain Reaction was the reference for bad movies, then Catwoman (Halle Berry won an oscar and rassie in the same year for two different movies)
@Warhorse469 Sorry, but it really is one of the worst video game movies ever made. The box office failure is a realistic reflection of the total creative failure of everyone involved. It's like one of those movie posters in video games that are cringe schlock on purpose but they actually made it.
As the prices of the 7800x3d skyrocket lol. Let me give you some advice like my mom told me when I was young. You can shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. As much as we would all like for the prices to come down, they won't.
I always think that I will be afford this stuff and then adult life happens and you can't afford it but I don't care. I keep happily living in my illusion that I will be able to buy stuff and I keep being excited for the stuff I will never get!
@@mysticaldevotion863 The older I get, the poorer I have got... I used to be wealthy and could afford everything in my 20s (the 90s were fantastic, money was everywhere for the taking/earning)... I used to have to select from among what I wanted in my 30s.... I had to decide whether I actually needed something or not before I could buy anything in my 40s. And now in my 50s I just can't afford anything.
@@mysticaldevotion863that's what tax season is for! Perfect to upgrade my 1070ti, with an 8 series AMd( if its good) amd x3d 9 series( if its good) Then I can f$%k off into my cave for an easy 5 years lol.
@@mysticaldevotion863brother if groceries were the same price as they were 5 years ago, three months of the savings would buy me a new $1k card. Shit sucks.
@ZackSNetwork they will eventually manage to do it. But I don't think it will be in this generation. We would have seen something similar on the other 9000 cpus
7950x3d is having issues with my pc and windows 11...need processor lasso and it actually greatly improved my games especially wukong. But having to download lasso, shouldn't be that way. Idk if Microsoft hates amd or something but man.
But doesn't 3D V-Cache still have performance issues with non-gaming tasks? (i mean there is a reason why 7800X3D isn't suggested for people who want to do productivity work).
@@ZackSNetwork would be amazing to have one CCD with 16 cores and one 3d cash will be enaugh. have 16 cores splited to two is not good for gaming thats why I will never get my hands on 12 cores one. would be amazing if 9900x3d have every core in one CCX.
Them releasing 9800X3D asap is kinda like AMD higher ups saying "Release 9000 series, and this time do it properly!" But tbh, even if the 9000s were good, I think most people were waiting for the X3Ds anyway
Already went from 5600X on B550 to 7700 on a B650M last week. All good for 9900X3D. I will keep it like my i7-2600. Untill it can go no more and the motherboard gives out.
I was thinking the same, I got a 5700x3d a few months ago but when the 9800x3d will be out and stable I'll upgrade and make a second pc to stream from out of the old parts I have now
An engineer from AMD previously said in an interview that they tested 3D V Cache on both CCDs and it majorly increased latency without any performance improvement. So I'm not hopeful for more cores with 3D V Cache. I think the improvements will be in clock speed of the cores on the X3D CPUs compared to earlier generations.
Well 3D v cache on more than 8 cores in a single CCX within a single CCD. If they max at 8 cores per CCX/CCD, then vcache on both will not do anything. We need and want more than 8 cores per CCX within a CCD so no cross latency through infinity fabric.
@@mytech6779 Gaming workloads and server workloads don't usually see the same benefits with the extra cache. The extra latency from more CCDs on Epyc may not hinder the workloads that they run on those servers while it would hurt gaming performance.
i have a 7950x huge improvement in gaming the stutter is gone...or should I say WAS gone because Microsoftel reintroduced it almost immediately and I had to uninstall the last KB don't remember which one but the one right after KB5043076 it broke gaming again I blocked auto updates for a month
I think Gamers Nexus already said they would do this soon, also to compare it properly to Arrow Lake once it arrives. So you'll likely get it there. Don't think the 9000s CPUs will perform significantly better, though. Some games do benefit from the Windows 11 update, yes, but they often do just as much on Zen 4.
I think this video did a really good job encapsulating exactly why the 7800x3d is where it is and not the 7900x3d. Stating exactly that its a 8/16 single CCD with all the 3d vcache for it instead of 2 6/12 CCDs. Explaining that part to people that haven't been following whats been happening has been a challenge because they're still in the "more cores = more better" camps.
I just upgraded to a ryzen 9 5900X. Managed to snatch it brand new for 80$. Side note, be careful using ryzen master to optimize your cpu. I about bricked my computer because it screwed up windows. I was able to restore, but man was I punching air.
I was talking about one of your points earlier. I need more than 8 cores, but I'm not gonna spend several hundred more for the 9950X3D if it's slower in games than the 9800X3D
@@sharkpyro93cpu no gpu absolutely especially high end it's easier the resale value 2 years later means like 200-300 to upgrade that is phenomenally better than spending 1000k to 2k every 5+ Years with almost zero resale value at that point you save money doing that believe it or not but cpu has never made sense to me on the 2 year mark
@@NS-py4ky i always sell my old stuff too but i never changed gpu this often, always waited 5-6 yrs depending on the gpu tier, pretty sure that in the long run you spend more in your way, but im not a freak like the ones that see a game running on 58fps and they freak out, to each their own
I'm hoping for a X3D version of something like the 8700G, but with the IO capabilities of the chiplet-based CPUs. That way, we potentially get everything, including the lack of latency from having the IO die.
9950X should be 24 core and 9900X 16 Core that would be huge improvement (ppl would consider swap from 7950X or 13900K/14900k) all this streamers, video creators would be very happy with benefits of 24cores
That is a socket overpopulated with with 24 starvin' marvins. 48 threads is going to hit memory bandwidth limits with a lot of tasks. These CPU's are for consumer motherboards, 2 channels of unbuffered dimms, and of course the limited PCIe lanes. It is why threadripper exists, and there are real reasons people will pay even more for Threadripper-Pro over standard Threadripper. Intel only gets away with it because they are mostly e-cores.
@@BorisZakharov98 count the cores on a 14900K... yes it is 2 different kinds of cores but they are overall a very good combo... and better than just HT... which they also got on some of them
@@mytech6779 still they run on technology from 2019 or earlier (with IPC improvement and some extra MHZ) I personally have 7950X because it was great gain over my old 8600K but with 10% improvement I not going to upgrade it anytime soon
@@Dr.WhetFarts It's only outdated if you decide to buy AM4 today. The people who have a AM4 motherboard that works can simply use 5700X3D or 5800 and its all good
@@Dr.WhetFarts If it works for their work flow or gaming needs, if not "outdated" for them. Also, while they may not be as good as the newer stuff, many AM4 CPUs are still powerful and great for gaming and productivity.
AMD can’t afford for the 9950X3D to lose to arrow lake after the failure of non3D chips. I would bet every dollar that AMD will put 3D cache on both chiplets because of just how badly it was received even amongst enthusiasts with recommendations other than gamebar and parking.
That would be a complete waste of money and heat generated and just make them worse for productivity and no better for gaming. You don't want games ever using more than 1 ccd regardless of 3d cache. The latency penalty will hurt gaming performance.
@@mojojojo6292 a few hundreds MHz is not going to dramatically effect a productivity apps time, but a scheduling issue where 2 chips at different speed across different amounts of cache being forced to synchronize will hurt gaming performance AND productivity. It might be more heat. But seeing as how Zen 5 fixed a lot of heat issues it’s doable. The latency penalty of losing a few hundreds MHz is less than a few microseconds. You can actually test it in windows. But a gaming using the wrong cores and the game forced to use both drops your performance by sometimes 50-75%
@@mojojojo6292 people also already voiced their reasoning and concern and this is the biggest one by FAR, do you really think AMD is just gonna say “welp it was a good try guys let’s just sell 9800x3Ds and let the ryzen 9’s for 2 generations be the inferior product”. No. They are gonna try to make those 9’s the true flagship.
@@Savitarax The Ryzen 9's are for people who need productivity performance. The dual ccd x3d scheduling has largely been solved. I just ordered a 7950x3d myself. Putting 3d cache on both ccd's is pointless. 0 benifits. Multiple negatives. There's a reason they put it on 1 ccd only. They aren't stupid.
@mojojojo6292 Given the reception 9000 series has had, they need to go big or go home. And that means either Zen5c 16c + Zen5X3D 8c for a 24c/48t CPU, or X3D for both. UNLESS they have something else to make up for doing neither.
If they do what Jayz is talking about then yeah the 9950X3D will be the flagship but will the price vs performance be worth it over the 9800X3D that's what made the 7800X3D the king of gaming CPU's its price and performance were perfect.
Best case rumor that i have heard is that they would combine zen5 cache chip with zen5c chip. Essentially they are epyc high density cores which do not boost as much and end result would be that 3d cache chip would actually have higher clocks than the non- x3d core. It would certainly make it easier for windows scheduler if the better cores had also higher frequency. 9000 afaik already had better thermal efficiency and rumors were quite early pointing out that X3d cpu:s could be oc:ed this time around. Interesting to see which rumors end up being true though. I really wish z5c would be as those could then be 8+16 core cpu:s.
AMD should just stop releasing the X3Ds separate from the normal Xs. Everyone in the know is just waiting for the X3Ds to see if it's worth upgrading to, so why get the X?
yeah, the core parking on 9950x3d and 9900x3d is unappealing. i would like to dedicate a CCD to play the game i want and the other CCD to do non-gaming stuff at same time.
Last gens of any RAM generation always tend to have staying power, as the first gen of the next will always have some serious suboptimization going on, while the products of the previous gen tend to be the highlight reel of that gen, all its problems fixed. If 9800X3D pans out to be a solid improvement, I for one am building a rig around it and hoping it will carry me until DDR7. Even 5800X3D which is DDR4 still pulls its weight.
Hey Jay and team, I really enjoy your talking-head videos. It’s nice to just hear your thoughts on a topic without distractions. I especially liked that you didn’t play any music this time-makes it way easier to focus on what you’re saying! And I appreciate how you avoid getting caught up in rumors. So many tech TH-camrs dive into speculation, and it just leads to disappointment when expectations aren't met. Keep doing what you do!
We have enough evidence that AMD rushed Zen 5 out the door, when it should have baked for a few weeks longer. Now they're pushing up the X3D parts? For what? A rumoured October 10th announcement, with a launch at the end of the month sounds awfully Intel to me. We better hope they're fully baked this time.
"few weeks" lol, there is nothing you can do as a chip manufacturer in just a few weeks. It takes months and millions of $$$ to set up the production facilities for a new chip revision, it then takes over a month for a batch of CPUs to be produced (to go from raw silicon to a batch of finished chips), and then they have to have been producing the chips for several months ahead of launch, so they have enough stock ready for launch day. You simply cannot do last moment fixes and tweaks with hardware. Everything needs to be fully designed, ready, in production, many many months before it is released to consumers. Heck, I'd assume the next zen6 generation is already in its finalization stages right now and AMD's cpu designers are probably already working on zen7. The only difference that delaying (or rushing) the launch of a CPU by a few weeks can make is in the number of units available in stock on launch day.
@@crisstinsley2988strange comment to make when benchmarks say otherwise, no surprise that though is it when the extra cache not only boosts the average but also the 1%v lows as well.
7950X3D is even more ! If you need to test some ai stuffs that can run on CPU, it can handle it better. I was above 50 percent of usage and I could hit 85 percents so a 7800X3D wouldn't have been enough.
Honestly I almost completely ignore rumor videos but if you and a handful of others post about it I watch. Your video gave me more of a "here is what I know of and here is what I think may be" vibe. Other peoples videos tend to give off a "this is what its going to be" vibe
Jay, talk more about rumors. I'm on the cusp of rebuilding after many years, and as you've said before, the current market is a cluster. Most rumor sources are clickbaity and dramatic. I really appreciate your level-headedness and rationality, it's such a great lens actually gauge expectations through.
@@davillain9974 Nah, it never bothered me either. I was just joking about it. It seemed ironic that he said no music, then instantly there was music for a brief moment. Made me smile, anyway.
Jay turning into a GOAT news delivery system! thanks for not playing music and leaving us the choice. many channels don't understand this and they force the background noise upon us while not considering there are people with damaged hearing such as myself and it plays crucial role when trying to understand something if there's background music muffling the speech or not. so THANKS for that on behalf of everyone with tinitus and many other different partial hearing loss people.
@@MandoMTL x3d CPUs are just a gimmick. Can’t really do anything else other than game, your own benchmarks show intel CPUs are only 5% slower at 1080p with a 4090. Most reasonable people don’t use a 4090 to game at 1080p. Also, according to the steam hardware survey, only 2% of gamers are using a 4090 and 4080. Why would anyone pay $450 for a 7800x3d, when a 13600k is $220, offers similar gaming performance with GPUs under a 4080 and 40% more multicore performance. It’s absolutely crazy to me that a lot of people in the comment sections are excited about an overpriced, garbage product that no one except 2% of people would even be able to utilize.
@@ProVishGaming you are thinking of max and average fps, not the 1% lows that is where the 7800x3d shines.. plus it uses like 50 watts gaming, does the 13600k use 50 watts?
I can definitely tell you're feeling more healthy. It's obvious in the way you speak and your overall enthusiasm. As someone that's struggled with stomach issues that absolutely drain me, I get it. Happy for ya.
Feb 2020 purchased Aorus Elite x570 board with 1600x, upgraded to 5600x, now 5800x3d. I assume most folks are in my boat with Ryzen. AM4 kicked ass so well that i really need an enticing reason to make me want to spend my money. 5k series to 7k series just not enough to make a platform jump for gaming. 5k to 9k, still not going to do it for me...but if this 9800x3d can handle larger core count on say 10 core CCD maybe but even then consider myself a mid range gamer with a 6800 (non x) i would put money in a higher gpu first that could make my cpu the bottleneck. Idk, could be DIY market is more educated as a whole and making smarter decisions when to upgrade.
AMD really needs to get the X3D chips out there asp. The regular 9000 chips aren’t selling. And they need strix halo in laptops asp if they want to close this year with a good sales report
I believe that rushing to make decisions based on the poor sales of the X 9000 chips is a negative move. AMD has the opportunity to redeem themselves with the X3D CPUs. If they rush things and make mistakes, they will lose potential buyers to Intel. However, competition is not all bad because it keeps companies humble.
I'd be down for rumors. Long as it passes some criteria that you're cool with. You're right that the Blackwell rumors tend to be a bit murkier and harder to make anything meaningful out of. But the 9800x3d info we have so far is pretty concrete.
Random question So the idea that they cant put 3d cache on both CCDs is because of latency issues is that right? Ill be honest i dont think im hopeful that they will add more cores per CCD but we will see. Im rocking a 5950x and not gonna lie i might just chill til am6 lol I also remember hearing a while back that they attempted a 5950x 3d lol but ended up scrapping it
i think its just the cost of an extra vcache die when in theory it shouldnt be needed (the only apps that really benefit huge l3 cache are games, and games shouldnt need more than a single CCX worth of cores). i dont think adding a vcache die to the other ccx would impact latency
Jay's video uploads is like the next episode of Pokémon in childhood, you always watch it look forward to it. and are engrossed throughout. Gotta catch em all!
Loved the ending!!! 🤣 I've got a still sealed in its box 7800X3D sitting on my desk. Waiting for some pricing news before deciding whether to install it or sell it and buy the 9800X3D.
People with knowledge knew 9000X3D was only a few months later. 7800X3D is still good but some people paid more for this chip recently, that it cost 1 year ago.
I hope they learn from their mistakes and do a comprehensive comparison like Wendel on Linux vs Windows to make sure there isn't performance left on the table because of Microsoft/Intel scheming!
6:10 EXACTLY!!! I'm no engineer, but I will never understand why AMD didn't do this with the double-CCD X3D chips in the first place. It seems like that would get rid of all (or at least most) of the problems that people are having.
@@Xenoray1 I would pay the extra, as long as it's not too ridiculous, for the peace of mind and not having to do 42 different things to get the chip working like it should. Lol. Buy once, cry once.
@@TimothyJavier x3d CPUs are just a gimmick. Can’t really do anything else other than game, jays own benchmarks show intel CPUs are only 5% slower at 1080p with a 4090. Most reasonable people don’t use a 4090 to game at 1080p. Also, according to the steam hardware survey, only 2% of gamers are using a 4090 and 4080. Why would anyone pay $450 for a 7800x3d, when a 13600k is $220, offers similar gaming performance with GPUs under a 4080 and 40% more multicore performance. It’s absolutely crazy to me that a lot of people in the comment sections are excited about an overpriced, garbage product that no one except 2% of people would even be able to utilize.
It's crucial to realize that 95% of people try to justify getting a CPU with more cores simply because they like bigger numbers. This is probably the most ridiculous way to make a purchase. If they claim that the reason for choosing a more expensive CPU with more cores is for productivity, that's understandable. However, it's guaranteed that they will only use it for productivity once or twice and mainly for gaming. The X3D CPU is not a gimmick. If your focus is gaming, the gains in gaming are much higher than 5%. My guess is this guy is a die-hard Intel fanboy and doesn't expect you to look up these so-called videos, so he just makes up ridiculous claims that aren't even real. My advice is to do your own research; do not take advice from people in the comments on TH-cam because it's always one-sided.
@@Warhorse469 yeah youre the one-sided AMD fan here. Go watch HUB's 7800x3d vs 13900k 4k, 1440p, 1080p video. Results show 7800x3d is 5% faster than a 13900k with a 4090 at 1080p. Facts don't care about your feelings. Spending $450 on a gimmick CPU instead of putting that money on a GPU is crazy work. I know comments like yours have caused my clients to purchase 7800x3d with 406ti/4070 pcs. My 13600k PC with 4070ti beats the 7800x3d rig by 20% in gaming and 40% in production workloads. Even if you hate Intel, you don't need more than a 7600x. Kindly stop telling people to overspend on a CPU.
Looking forward to both 9000 series with X3D and the Intel Arrow Lake. Friend of mine wants a studio pc with a high budget, so waiting to see what can be the more useful CPU for that. Looking forward to the next video :D
I got the 7900xtx/7950x3d combo on an MSI PRO X670-P WIFI and running TFORCE Delta 64GB DDR5 RAM. My box was built by MAINGEAR for under 4k. Never once did I regret the purchase even when I had to send it back for a defective AIO. Considering all the bad things in the PC and gaming world that unfolded in the last 5 years and I'm happily gaming and working on a Linux distro, I feel like I dodged a hail of gunfire like Neo in the Matrix, or more like Julius and Vincent in Pulp Fiction
My entire build is waiting for the x3d processors from the 9000 series. Finally upgrading from an 7700k and 980ti combo, and it’s so hard right now to not pull the trigger on a standard 9000 series processor. With PoE2 coming out very soon they better get here fast.
After all the Sh*t that has been going on with hardware (Asus MB, power cables burning up, baloneys specs AMD, EKWB, product warranty screw ups, NVIDIA graphics cards, Microsoft fighting gamers, AMD bailing on hi end GPU’s) ALL in past 12 or so months well I am not holding my breath. Waiting for another shoe to fall with this. 🤷♂️
What f****you to AMD supporters of 9000 series release by completely launching a gimped cpu to have the messiah x3d release fix all theor problems... Im still not convinced its going to be anything mind blowing
Same here. I'm on a i9 13900k luckily I have had zero issues with instability. I have always set vcore with a -0.65 which may have saved me. I'd go with a 9800x3d then down the road potentially get the newer x3d since it'll use the same chipset. It'll just be a CPU swap.
More cores per CCD would be nice, but that's way more effort than most people assume. It would drive the price too high. More cores would also compete stronger for cache space, so the 3D-Vcache would need to grow too...
Currently on a 3900x AM4 x570 board, and have a 7800X3D I ordered, just gonna build a new rig around that, and see what happens. I'll trust that, over whatever potential 9x3d they might come up with, unless it turns into the next GOAT. If it wasn't for the fact that the 3900x was bottlenecking the 4090 I bought a while back, I wouldn't be upgrading at all. So much uncertainty with AMD/Intel the last couple gens.
I just had microcenter build me a custom computer and I went with the AMD 7 7800X3D... I don't think there has been enough time for AMD to have made another amazing CPU yet... technological advances take time... --Really excited to pick up my custom gaming computer 🤩!
@@supernice_auto Yes they charge a fee but it's reasonable :) ! Mine was $250 from the Tustin, CA location (the lowest option was $150). They based it on the cooling system you add to your PC :) ! --You can design your computer through their site and pick it up (I went for that option) or you can get help in-store designing it and pick it up later that day (if it's not close to closing & not complex cooling).
@@susanh1104 that's awesome thanks for replying man will definitely check this out although I will say takes the fun out of it I do enjoy building my own PCs
@@supernice_auto Was still fun & stressful designing my own PC, but I also have just started a private practice and working on becoming board certified so I don’t have additional time right now to build the PC as well. Hopefully one day in the future I can.
@@notluminaire Understandable. I remember going to Microcenter planning to buy an RTX 4070, maybe an RTX 3080, but ended up purchasing a 3090 24GB GDDR6X for a cool $600 (open box). I mean, who knew? I sure didn’t! 🤣
I do believe a lot of enthusiasts are waiting for X3D and to see the performance it will bring. Lots of people are waiting to snag a 7800X3D at a reduced price as well (i might be one of those, depending on the performance of the 9800X3D), i did exactly what Jay said, i bought a B650 PG Lightning, a 7600 non-x and 32 GB of DDR5 6000 CL 30 in preparation for the 9000 series. Mostly for the 9800X3D but also maybe a 7800X3D if the performance is just single-digit uplift. My reasoning was that it's always nice to have a cheaper cpu with integrated graphics around for troubleshooting and such. I'm still debating with myself if i want to sell my old combo B550 Aorus Elite V2, 5900X and 32 GB kit of 3200 DDR4.
I'd have probably bought a 5800X3D instead of the 5900X but i hadn't even heard rumors of that cpu when i got the 5900X. In fact, i was going to get a 5800X but that went out of stock between the time i had the parts in the basket and the time i was trying to click buy, so 5900X it was. If that were the case, i'd have kept the 5800X3D until whatever comes after Ryzen 9000 series =)
Thank you Jay for your informative content, I really am glad to be watching your videos. All I could say is: Best wishes to you, and I hope you have a great day!
first time I hear about windows powerplan completely wrecking powerconsumption and efficiency for AMD CPUs - kind of an important topic to understand before a possible purchase, I feel kind of dingus that this topic has eluded me for so long. so thanks a bunch, I probably would've paniced after install that performance isn't just where it needs to be, I think you've just saved future me from a lot of stress & meltdowns :D
I have an rtx 4080 paired with a 5800x3d and I game at 4k. I upgraded from a 2700x to the 5800x3d and saw a noticeable gain in fps. Probably 10fps on average. However from the benchmarks I have seen, there is negligible improvement going from the 5800x3d to 7800x3d/7950x3d, like 5 fps max. Clearly that's not worth upgrading to or even changing generations for. At this point the only way I'd upgrade without an actual fps improvement is if they were able to get a 16 core x3d chip operate under 100w tdp. Because I am more focused on reducing thermals so I can reduce noise for recording.
I don't remember what the process was for making K3D in nanometers. But one of the things that has been rumored is that a newer, smaller process will be used for the 9000 series. Besides the temperature issue, there is another problem with X3D, namely that the third level cache is at different speeds. The one on the CCD is faster, the other one added is slower and with a greater delay (latency). The idea behind the rumors is that through the advanced process for X3D will stand the same manufacturing process in nanometers, and that the CCD architecture has been changed to have almost the same latency as with the main level 3 cache. If these things are achieved, there will be a noticeable increase in speed, and not just in games anymore. It will have a bigger cache, faster... and hopefully thinner so it doesn't interfere with the heat so much
I hope the somewhat better efficiency (in some situations) on zen5 helps the x3ds squeeze as much frequency as possible out of their meagre power budget
In my opinion, upgrading from the 7800 X3D to the 9800 X3D is not worth the money. Even if it is faster, the improvement in IPC (Instructions Per Clock) wouldn't be noticeable compared to the 7800 X3D. However, this is just my personal opinion. I don't want to dictate what others should do with their money. If you are upgrading from an Intel 9700K like I am, then the 9800 X3D would be a great upgrade.
@@markozindovic9227 9800X3D is expected to be 10-20% faster depending on workload, due to increased clockspeeds and unlocked for OC there maybe is additional headroom. 7800X3D is still good tho, but obviously 9800X3D will be better and fix many of the issues 7800X3D had (main low clockspeeds and sensitive 3D cache)
Yup, a CPU with a dual CCD and dual 3D V-cache (or more than 8 cores on a single CCD) is exactly what I'm personally waiting for... Also for GPU prices to come down enough so it makes sense to upgrade from my 3080 and 5900X. I'm more than happy with 120/ 144 fps on my 2K monitor at the moment.
Please don’t become a rumor mill channel. Rare ones that seem extremely reasonable like this, yes, but otherwise don’t go all Moore’s Law is Dead on us.
if 9800x3ds are 9700x golden chip that clock high while using low voltage, it'd be amazing. Imagien a 9800x3d @5.4ghz all core.. The performance would be amazing.
I just only upgraded from ryzen 9 5900x to ryzen 5 9600x and really like it so far. I use an Arctic Freezer 36 and achieve 45°C Idle BUT only 67°C max. Never got across the 67°C mark checking it with the Ryzen master software. The only shortcoming i noticed on a first start of Starfield was that the ryzen 5 went under massive load when loading the shaders the first time. No other issues after that.
AMD cooked themselves. They need to only release the X3D varient and provide the non X3D as low cost part to prebuilds. Every enthusiasts will wait for X3D parts to release on every generations.
Since I switched to AMD I have no complaints, on the contrary I am very happy, now when I installed Windows 11 I noticed that the performance dropped a bit compared to 10
It is known that AMDs are working better with Windows 10, I reinstalled it thanks to BNH Software because I didn't like how it worked with 11
I'm going to use it for a while longer to see if it improves or I get used to it, but for now I can use it.
The 7800X3D is a beast! The 9800X3D is going to have to post some impressive performance uplift numbers (not single digits!) to get me to drop cash.
What if I just decide to build a PC, and 7800x3d impossible to find it right now. My only option is to buy 9800x3d
@@jigorokano_kr lol if the price difference isn't crazy, i'll likely sell my 7800x3d at its original retail price and swap over. bound to be other people doing that
@jigorokano_kr I am just grateful that I live close to a micro center that sells them with a bundle on a discount. Was able to get mine for $400 pice with ram, and a motherboard
My local Walmart has one, check yours@@jigorokano_kr
@@AmeJoutenthat will only work if you do it now….. when the 9800x3d comes out the 7800x3d price will drop, unless the 9800x3d gets completely sold out everywhere leaving the 7800x3d the only one in stock leaving it at its original MSRP
A 12 core single CCD with V-Cache? That would be in my cart faster than you could blink!
Literally
one can only dream
It would have to be, anything longer than a blink and all the scalpers would have them.
I agree and I bet AMD is looking at Intel getting rid of HT, and with AMDs C cores we might see denser ccdes soon
same here. i'm upgrading my pc soon and plan to use it for both gaming and productivity, so i've been pushed towards non-x3d chips, but a 12 core single ccd 9900x3d would actually be perfect.. still plenty of cores for productivity, and gaming performance on par if not better than the 8 core 9800x3d
I love how "The Borderlands movie of..." has just become a synonym for horrible launches now.
I actually didn't mind it. I was bored and had nothing to watch. It killed 1 hour and 40 minutes. It wasn't the worst movie I have seen. People these days have a habit of blowing things out of proportion. I don't know if it's because they are attention seekers or just like to whinge about something because they have a bitter personality.
I got to see it, originally Chain Reaction was the reference for bad movies, then Catwoman (Halle Berry won an oscar and rassie in the same year for two different movies)
Ladies and gentlemen, forget us not Concord.
Concord beats it
@Warhorse469 Sorry, but it really is one of the worst video game movies ever made. The box office failure is a realistic reflection of the total creative failure of everyone involved. It's like one of those movie posters in video games that are cringe schlock on purpose but they actually made it.
Hopefully this means the 7800x3d prices will start going down once the new ones come out.
It's awesome, best CPU I have ever had by far.
As the prices of the 7800x3d skyrocket lol. Let me give you some advice like my mom told me when I was young. You can shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. As much as we would all like for the prices to come down, they won't.
I have the 5800X3D, I could imagine with the 7000 series would be like or even the more improved 9000 series of the X3D.
They might, but if AMD isnt producing any more 7800x3d chips then dont hold your breath
@@metalguitarman01 thats some unsanitary advice 😂
I love watching reviews on stuff I can’t afford.
I always think that I will be afford this stuff and then adult life happens and you can't afford it but I don't care. I keep happily living in my illusion that I will be able to buy stuff and I keep being excited for the stuff I will never get!
@@mysticaldevotion863 The older I get, the poorer I have got... I used to be wealthy and could afford everything in my 20s (the 90s were fantastic, money was everywhere for the taking/earning)... I used to have to select from among what I wanted in my 30s.... I had to decide whether I actually needed something or not before I could buy anything in my 40s. And now in my 50s I just can't afford anything.
@@mysticaldevotion863that's what tax season is for! Perfect to upgrade my 1070ti, with an 8 series AMd( if its good) amd x3d 9 series( if its good) Then I can f$%k off into my cave for an easy 5 years lol.
@@mysticaldevotion863brother if groceries were the same price as they were 5 years ago, three months of the savings would buy me a new $1k card. Shit sucks.
Go hustle instead.
Yeah hopefully all the CCDs will have the 3D V-Cache instead of core parking.
They don’t need two CCD’s with 3D cache. Then need to fit 16 cores into one CCD.
@ZackSNetwork they will eventually manage to do it. But I don't think it will be in this generation. We would have seen something similar on the other 9000 cpus
7950x3d is having issues with my pc and windows 11...need processor lasso and it actually greatly improved my games especially wukong.
But having to download lasso, shouldn't be that way. Idk if Microsoft hates amd or something but man.
But doesn't 3D V-Cache still have performance issues with non-gaming tasks? (i mean there is a reason why 7800X3D isn't suggested for people who want to do productivity work).
@@ZackSNetwork would be amazing to have one CCD with 16 cores and one 3d cash will be enaugh.
have 16 cores splited to two is not good for gaming thats why I will never get my hands on 12 cores one.
would be amazing if 9900x3d have every core in one CCX.
WE WANT BIGGER SINGLE CCD 9800x3d!!!!🆘
theres zen 6 for you
Which then will be starving of RAM bandwidth
obligatory "IT'S OVER 9000!!!" comment*
We'll see. But I'm cautiously optimistic
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I can't even handle the hype any more!!! So they will want $850 CDN for it, if not more. Prices of hardware these days is CRAZY HIGH!!!
@@goatman86that's the best.
Them releasing 9800X3D asap is kinda like AMD higher ups saying "Release 9000 series, and this time do it properly!"
But tbh, even if the 9000s were good, I think most people were waiting for the X3Ds anyway
I think after the 9000 CPUs did not sell well they have to release them soon so they can recoupe some money.
waiting for 9800x3d then ill make the jump to AM5
Wait for the bugs to be ironed out
Yessir! Same here.
Already went from 5600X on B550 to 7700 on a B650M last week.
All good for 9900X3D. I will keep it like my i7-2600. Untill it can go no more and the motherboard gives out.
@@JagsP95 absolutely, Ill give it a couple of months and watch reviews prior to the upgrade.
I was thinking the same, I got a 5700x3d a few months ago but when the 9800x3d will be out and stable I'll upgrade and make a second pc to stream from out of the old parts I have now
An engineer from AMD previously said in an interview that they tested 3D V Cache on both CCDs and it majorly increased latency without any performance improvement. So I'm not hopeful for more cores with 3D V Cache. I think the improvements will be in clock speed of the cores on the X3D CPUs compared to earlier generations.
Maybe. Yet they have been doing just that for 2 generations of Epyc. Even going as far as 8 Vcache CCDs with only 2 cores enabled on each.
Well 3D v cache on more than 8 cores in a single CCX within a single CCD. If they max at 8 cores per CCX/CCD, then vcache on both will not do anything. We need and want more than 8 cores per CCX within a CCD so no cross latency through infinity fabric.
@@mytech6779 Nobody games on Epyc, or well almost nobody. So what works in datacenter isn't always good for the average enthusiast and gamer.
@@Wolverine607 I'm guessing English is not your first language. That paragraph makes very little sense.
@@mytech6779 Gaming workloads and server workloads don't usually see the same benefits with the extra cache. The extra latency from more CCDs on Epyc may not hinder the workloads that they run on those servers while it would hurt gaming performance.
Before the x3d will be released i'd really like to see a Re-review of the non x3ds after the recent windows and agesa Updates.
i have a 7950x huge improvement in gaming the stutter is gone...or should I say WAS gone because Microsoftel reintroduced it almost immediately and I had to uninstall the last KB don't remember which one but the one right after KB5043076 it broke gaming again I blocked auto updates for a month
Great idea👍
The windows update is out ?
I think Gamers Nexus already said they would do this soon, also to compare it properly to Arrow Lake once it arrives. So you'll likely get it there. Don't think the 9000s CPUs will perform significantly better, though. Some games do benefit from the Windows 11 update, yes, but they often do just as much on Zen 4.
I expect we'll see that as part of the Arrow Lake reviews, if Win 11 24H2 is out by then.
Me with my 5800X and no intention to upgrade at the moment : "Interesting."
I loved my 5800x. I only upgraded because I got a deal I couldn't resist. Great CPU
It works wonders. I do wait on the 5XXX RTX tho, because the 4080 Super price will drop...
@@goalieman206 Is 5800X cooler good enough?
@@goalieman206Did the Godfather sell you a newer CPU?
Same, already very fast enough in all games oced 5800X clocks to 4.8 - 5ghz in games coupled with 3800cl14 memory and 4070 ti super.
My rig will be 10 years old next year. I feel like the time is finally right for an upgrade.
I think this video did a really good job encapsulating exactly why the 7800x3d is where it is and not the 7900x3d. Stating exactly that its a 8/16 single CCD with all the 3d vcache for it instead of 2 6/12 CCDs. Explaining that part to people that haven't been following whats been happening has been a challenge because they're still in the "more cores = more better" camps.
I just upgraded to a ryzen 9 5900X. Managed to snatch it brand new for 80$.
Side note, be careful using ryzen master to optimize your cpu. I about bricked my computer because it screwed up windows. I was able to restore, but man was I punching air.
I was talking about one of your points earlier. I need more than 8 cores, but I'm not gonna spend several hundred more for the 9950X3D if it's slower in games than the 9800X3D
I'm still on 5800X3D, I'm not even close to feeling the need to upgrade.
Same!
who change the cpu every 2 years anyway?
@@sharkpyro93cpu no gpu absolutely especially high end it's easier the resale value 2 years later means like 200-300 to upgrade that is phenomenally better than spending 1000k to 2k every 5+ Years with almost zero resale value at that point you save money doing that believe it or not but cpu has never made sense to me on the 2 year mark
@@NS-py4ky i always sell my old stuff too but i never changed gpu this often, always waited 5-6 yrs depending on the gpu tier, pretty sure that in the long run you spend more in your way, but im not a freak like the ones that see a game running on 58fps and they freak out, to each their own
I'm hoping for a X3D version of something like the 8700G, but with the IO capabilities of the chiplet-based CPUs. That way, we potentially get everything, including the lack of latency from having the IO die.
Clicked on the video bc Jay’s Face was on the left
bottom left*
Was in the middle for me
Bottom left gang.
Bottom Left. Any righties out there?
@@arlo.infinityI'm here!!
I swear it feels like a new cpu drops each month
Every Month is like Christmas, and we keep getting socks
@@Level_Up_Nation you can never have too many socks, you just keep adding dressers until you have as many socks as you want to have
Most disappointing launch in 15 years? You been forgetting the 1-2% performance increase Intel was doing????
could be that he meant most disappointing amd launch, but if not, you're totally right
Lol 6th gen to 7th gen was a spit in the face of customers back when Intel was still on their high horse.
9950X should be 24 core and 9900X 16 Core that would be huge improvement (ppl would consider swap from 7950X or 13900K/14900k) all this streamers, video creators would be very happy with benefits of 24cores
That’s HEDT territory, no way they’d offer those for non-workstations/servers.
bro doesn't know how cores work 😂 no way they are making 24 core CPUs for non professional consumers, not right now anyways. it doesn't make sense
That is a socket overpopulated with with 24 starvin' marvins. 48 threads is going to hit memory bandwidth limits with a lot of tasks. These CPU's are for consumer motherboards, 2 channels of unbuffered dimms, and of course the limited PCIe lanes.
It is why threadripper exists, and there are real reasons people will pay even more for Threadripper-Pro over standard Threadripper.
Intel only gets away with it because they are mostly e-cores.
@@BorisZakharov98 count the cores on a 14900K... yes it is 2 different kinds of cores but they are overall a very good combo... and better than just HT... which they also got on some of them
@@mytech6779 still they run on technology from 2019 or earlier (with IPC improvement and some extra MHZ) I personally have 7950X because it was great gain over my old 8600K but with 10% improvement I not going to upgrade it anytime soon
I stayed on AM4 the GOAT
AM4 is outdated. Your requirements must be low.
Im using a B550 Tomahawk with a 5800X3D. I might challenge myself to keep it until AM6
@@Dr.WhetFarts It's only outdated if you decide to buy AM4 today. The people who have a AM4 motherboard that works can simply use 5700X3D or 5800 and its all good
@@Dr.WhetFarts If it works for their work flow or gaming needs, if not "outdated" for them. Also, while they may not be as good as the newer stuff, many AM4 CPUs are still powerful and great for gaming and productivity.
@@Dr.WhetFarts I bet you think the 30 series/60 series is outdated too
Meanwhile I’m still sitting here on my 5800x3d
Same here that thing is the real goat
I have the non x3d and am very interested to upgrade..
@@obic123 the throat goat
The end of the video 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He should definitely talk about it
What is it about
AMD can’t afford for the 9950X3D to lose to arrow lake after the failure of non3D chips. I would bet every dollar that AMD will put 3D cache on both chiplets because of just how badly it was received even amongst enthusiasts with recommendations other than gamebar and parking.
That would be a complete waste of money and heat generated and just make them worse for productivity and no better for gaming. You don't want games ever using more than 1 ccd regardless of 3d cache. The latency penalty will hurt gaming performance.
@@mojojojo6292 a few hundreds MHz is not going to dramatically effect a productivity apps time, but a scheduling issue where 2 chips at different speed across different amounts of cache being forced to synchronize will hurt gaming performance AND productivity.
It might be more heat. But seeing as how Zen 5 fixed a lot of heat issues it’s doable. The latency penalty of losing a few hundreds MHz is less than a few microseconds. You can actually test it in windows.
But a gaming using the wrong cores and the game forced to use both drops your performance by sometimes 50-75%
@@mojojojo6292 people also already voiced their reasoning and concern and this is the biggest one by FAR, do you really think AMD is just gonna say “welp it was a good try guys let’s just sell 9800x3Ds and let the ryzen 9’s for 2 generations be the inferior product”.
No. They are gonna try to make those 9’s the true flagship.
@@Savitarax The Ryzen 9's are for people who need productivity performance. The dual ccd x3d scheduling has largely been solved. I just ordered a 7950x3d myself. Putting 3d cache on both ccd's is pointless. 0 benifits. Multiple negatives. There's a reason they put it on 1 ccd only. They aren't stupid.
@mojojojo6292 Given the reception 9000 series has had, they need to go big or go home. And that means either Zen5c 16c + Zen5X3D 8c for a 24c/48t CPU, or X3D for both. UNLESS they have something else to make up for doing neither.
If you think the Borderlands movie was a flop look up Sony's Concord losses. xD
Isn`t 9000 series going to fix the CCD`s and let the 9950X3D take the crown this time instead of 9800X3D ?
If they do what Jayz is talking about then yeah the 9950X3D will be the flagship but will the price vs performance be worth it over the 9800X3D that's what made the 7800X3D the king of gaming CPU's its price and performance were perfect.
Best case rumor that i have heard is that they would combine zen5 cache chip with zen5c chip. Essentially they are epyc high density cores which do not boost as much and end result would be that 3d cache chip would actually have higher clocks than the non- x3d core. It would certainly make it easier for windows scheduler if the better cores had also higher frequency. 9000 afaik already had better thermal efficiency and rumors were quite early pointing out that X3d cpu:s could be oc:ed this time around. Interesting to see which rumors end up being true though. I really wish z5c would be as those could then be 8+16 core cpu:s.
AMD should just stop releasing the X3Ds separate from the normal Xs. Everyone in the know is just waiting for the X3Ds to see if it's worth upgrading to, so why get the X?
I rather buy x3d
It's not by choice, X3D takes time
@@markozindovic9227then delay the release lol
It's called binning...
Because the X versions are better at other things that aren’t gaming. And it takes time to adding the X3D stuff.
Just bought myself an 7800X3D ... now there are rumors? Man I don't have time to wait, let's start building now
yeah, the core parking on 9950x3d and 9900x3d is unappealing. i would like to dedicate a CCD to play the game i want and the other CCD to do non-gaming stuff at same time.
This would be ideal.
Process Lasso
it might change after the new bios comes out that fixes inter-CCD latency
P
I really want a 9950X3D that has 3D-VCache on both CCD's. Would definitely upgrade to that then.
Last gens of any RAM generation always tend to have staying power, as the first gen of the next will always have some serious suboptimization going on, while the products of the previous gen tend to be the highlight reel of that gen, all its problems fixed. If 9800X3D pans out to be a solid improvement, I for one am building a rig around it and hoping it will carry me until DDR7. Even 5800X3D which is DDR4 still pulls its weight.
Hey Jay and team, I really enjoy your talking-head videos. It’s nice to just hear your thoughts on a topic without distractions. I especially liked that you didn’t play any music this time-makes it way easier to focus on what you’re saying! And I appreciate how you avoid getting caught up in rumors. So many tech TH-camrs dive into speculation, and it just leads to disappointment when expectations aren't met. Keep doing what you do!
We have enough evidence that AMD rushed Zen 5 out the door, when it should have baked for a few weeks longer. Now they're pushing up the X3D parts? For what? A rumoured October 10th announcement, with a launch at the end of the month sounds awfully Intel to me. We better hope they're fully baked this time.
@@PindleofKujata it’s going to be zen 5%x3d
"few weeks" lol, there is nothing you can do as a chip manufacturer in just a few weeks. It takes months and millions of $$$ to set up the production facilities for a new chip revision, it then takes over a month for a batch of CPUs to be produced (to go from raw silicon to a batch of finished chips), and then they have to have been producing the chips for several months ahead of launch, so they have enough stock ready for launch day. You simply cannot do last moment fixes and tweaks with hardware. Everything needs to be fully designed, ready, in production, many many months before it is released to consumers. Heck, I'd assume the next zen6 generation is already in its finalization stages right now and AMD's cpu designers are probably already working on zen7. The only difference that delaying (or rushing) the launch of a CPU by a few weeks can make is in the number of units available in stock on launch day.
No other channel I follow discusses rumors so it's nice to hear input from Jay.
7800x3d is a monster
The lows on it aren't great though
@crisstinsley2988 they are literally the highest of all cpus what are you talking about
@@crisstinsley2988Today you learned better CPU usually means better lows😂
@@crisstinsley2988strange comment to make when benchmarks say otherwise, no surprise that though is it when the extra cache not only boosts the average but also the 1%v lows as well.
7950X3D is even more ! If you need to test some ai stuffs that can run on CPU, it can handle it better. I was above 50 percent of usage and I could hit 85 percents so a 7800X3D wouldn't have been enough.
Honestly I almost completely ignore rumor videos but if you and a handful of others post about it I watch. Your video gave me more of a "here is what I know of and here is what I think may be" vibe. Other peoples videos tend to give off a "this is what its going to be" vibe
I love the end of this video 🤣🤣🤣
I hope the 9950X3D will have 3D V-Cache on both CCD's
They could make it taller to make room for x4d 😅
That is not how 4-th dimension work.
@@GreyDeathVaccine marketing will call it X4D. There's no way to confirm it actually has 4 dimensions, a typical marketing move
Jay, talk more about rumors.
I'm on the cusp of rebuilding after many years, and as you've said before, the current market is a cluster.
Most rumor sources are clickbaity and dramatic. I really appreciate your level-headedness and rationality, it's such a great lens actually gauge expectations through.
"I'm not going to play music this time" ***music immediately begins playing***
I never had problems with his music is being play during conversation
Tell me, was there ANY music past the intro? No? Exactly.
@@Baesic999 bet people love being around you
In case anyone else in the comments didn't get the joke, this was a joke.
@@davillain9974 Nah, it never bothered me either. I was just joking about it. It seemed ironic that he said no music, then instantly there was music for a brief moment. Made me smile, anyway.
Jay turning into a GOAT news delivery system! thanks for not playing music and leaving us the choice. many channels don't understand this and they force the background noise upon us while not considering there are people with damaged hearing such as myself and it plays crucial role when trying to understand something if there's background music muffling the speech or not. so THANKS for that on behalf of everyone with tinitus and many other different partial hearing loss people.
Yeah the 9xxx series so far is such a flop that they don't have a choice.
It's funny that a small 2-5% increase is considered a flop these days. I think we have been spoilt with double digit gains for too long.
@@Trunka34 well, spoilt is a strong term as the 2-5% uplifts usually happen back when intel was a monopoly and clearly weren't being innovative
@@MandoMTL x3d CPUs are just a gimmick. Can’t really do anything else other than game, your own benchmarks show intel CPUs are only 5% slower at 1080p with a 4090. Most reasonable people don’t use a 4090 to game at 1080p. Also, according to the steam hardware survey, only 2% of gamers are using a 4090 and 4080. Why would anyone pay $450 for a 7800x3d, when a 13600k is $220, offers similar gaming performance with GPUs under a 4080 and 40% more multicore performance. It’s absolutely crazy to me that a lot of people in the comment sections are excited about an overpriced, garbage product that no one except 2% of people would even be able to utilize.
@@ProVishGaming Wait a minute......USERBENCHMARK? Is that you!?
@@ProVishGaming you are thinking of max and average fps, not the 1% lows that is where the 7800x3d shines.. plus it uses like 50 watts gaming, does the 13600k use 50 watts?
I can definitely tell you're feeling more healthy. It's obvious in the way you speak and your overall enthusiasm. As someone that's struggled with stomach issues that absolutely drain me, I get it. Happy for ya.
Feb 2020 purchased Aorus Elite x570 board with 1600x, upgraded to 5600x, now 5800x3d.
I assume most folks are in my boat with Ryzen. AM4 kicked ass so well that i really need an enticing reason to make me want to spend my money. 5k series to 7k series just not enough to make a platform jump for gaming. 5k to 9k, still not going to do it for me...but if this 9800x3d can handle larger core count on say 10 core CCD maybe but even then consider myself a mid range gamer with a 6800 (non x) i would put money in a higher gpu first that could make my cpu the bottleneck.
Idk, could be DIY market is more educated as a whole and making smarter decisions when to upgrade.
I'm running an R5 3600 in an X570. No plans to change, unless something breaks.
im not a fan of prebuilt pcs, but the falcon advertisement, and all the support for the pc is amazing!!
AMD really needs to get the X3D chips out there asp. The regular 9000 chips aren’t selling. And they need strix halo in laptops asp if they want to close this year with a good sales report
I believe that rushing to make decisions based on the poor sales of the X 9000 chips is a negative move. AMD has the opportunity to redeem themselves with the X3D CPUs. If they rush things and make mistakes, they will lose potential buyers to Intel. However, competition is not all bad because it keeps companies humble.
I'd be down for rumors. Long as it passes some criteria that you're cool with. You're right that the Blackwell rumors tend to be a bit murkier and harder to make anything meaningful out of. But the 9800x3d info we have so far is pretty concrete.
Random question So the idea that they cant put 3d cache on both CCDs is because of latency issues is that right? Ill be honest i dont think im hopeful that they will add more cores per CCD but we will see. Im rocking a 5950x and not gonna lie i might just chill til am6 lol
I also remember hearing a while back that they attempted a 5950x 3d lol but ended up scrapping it
i think its just the cost of an extra vcache die when in theory it shouldnt be needed (the only apps that really benefit huge l3 cache are games, and games shouldnt need more than a single CCX worth of cores). i dont think adding a vcache die to the other ccx would impact latency
Jay's video uploads is like the next episode of Pokémon in childhood, you always watch it look forward to it. and are engrossed throughout. Gotta catch em all!
Loved the ending!!! 🤣 I've got a still sealed in its box 7800X3D sitting on my desk. Waiting for some pricing news before deciding whether to install it or sell it and buy the 9800X3D.
Yeah and everyone just bought the 7800x3d after the 9000series launch. They should have waited to buy lol.
People with knowledge knew 9000X3D was only a few months later. 7800X3D is still good but some people paid more for this chip recently, that it cost 1 year ago.
Thanks for actually having a title that tells us what the video is about.
I hope they learn from their mistakes and do a comprehensive comparison like Wendel on Linux vs Windows to make sure there isn't performance left on the table because of Microsoft/Intel scheming!
6:10 EXACTLY!!! I'm no engineer, but I will never understand why AMD didn't do this with the double-CCD X3D chips in the first place. It seems like that would get rid of all (or at least most) of the problems that people are having.
i guess.. money?
@@Xenoray1 I would pay the extra, as long as it's not too ridiculous, for the peace of mind and not having to do 42 different things to get the chip working like it should. Lol. Buy once, cry once.
Paid 225 USD for a 7800x3D at Tustin Microcenter back in early August. Best purchase since 2600K.
If I'm coming from a 9900k is it a downgrade because the number is smaller? /s
Yes, the 9900k is 100% faster (9900 - 9800 = 100) than the 9800x3d
Really?
@@TimothyJavier x3d CPUs are just a gimmick. Can’t really do anything else other than game, jays own benchmarks show intel CPUs are only 5% slower at 1080p with a 4090. Most reasonable people don’t use a 4090 to game at 1080p. Also, according to the steam hardware survey, only 2% of gamers are using a 4090 and 4080. Why would anyone pay $450 for a 7800x3d, when a 13600k is $220, offers similar gaming performance with GPUs under a 4080 and 40% more multicore performance. It’s absolutely crazy to me that a lot of people in the comment sections are excited about an overpriced, garbage product that no one except 2% of people would even be able to utilize.
It's crucial to realize that 95% of people try to justify getting a CPU with more cores simply because they like bigger numbers. This is probably the most ridiculous way to make a purchase. If they claim that the reason for choosing a more expensive CPU with more cores is for productivity, that's understandable. However, it's guaranteed that they will only use it for productivity once or twice and mainly for gaming. The X3D CPU is not a gimmick. If your focus is gaming, the gains in gaming are much higher than 5%. My guess is this guy is a die-hard Intel fanboy and doesn't expect you to look up these so-called videos, so he just makes up ridiculous claims that aren't even real. My advice is to do your own research; do not take advice from people in the comments on TH-cam because it's always one-sided.
@@Warhorse469 yeah youre the one-sided AMD fan here. Go watch HUB's 7800x3d vs 13900k 4k, 1440p, 1080p video. Results show 7800x3d is 5% faster than a 13900k with a 4090 at 1080p. Facts don't care about your feelings. Spending $450 on a gimmick CPU instead of putting that money on a GPU is crazy work. I know comments like yours have caused my clients to purchase 7800x3d with 406ti/4070 pcs. My 13600k PC with 4070ti beats the 7800x3d rig by 20% in gaming and 40% in production workloads. Even if you hate Intel, you don't need more than a 7600x. Kindly stop telling people to overspend on a CPU.
Looking forward to both 9000 series with X3D and the Intel Arrow Lake.
Friend of mine wants a studio pc with a high budget, so waiting to see what can be the more useful CPU for that.
Looking forward to the next video :D
5800X3D owner here since release date with 4070TI Super.
😢me with my 10700k
Same but with active cooled 4090FE, no need for me to upgrade other than maybe faster ram speed which I’m capped at 3800ghz
I got the 7900xtx/7950x3d combo on an MSI PRO X670-P WIFI and running TFORCE Delta 64GB DDR5 RAM. My box was built by MAINGEAR for under 4k. Never once did I regret the purchase even when I had to send it back for a defective AIO. Considering all the bad things in the PC and gaming world that unfolded in the last 5 years and I'm happily gaming and working on a Linux distro, I feel like I dodged a hail of gunfire like Neo in the Matrix, or more like Julius and Vincent in Pulp Fiction
Ho hum 9000s. Not really caring about AM5 stuff as long as AM4 stuff still does everything I need a PC to do.
hmm, I've been telling a simular story since I bought my intel 4770k
@@12316231231231239 Yeah, if it works, we don't need a new one. 👍
My entire build is waiting for the x3d processors from the 9000 series. Finally upgrading from an 7700k and 980ti combo, and it’s so hard right now to not pull the trigger on a standard 9000 series processor. With PoE2 coming out very soon they better get here fast.
I want a 10 core per CCD with 3D v-cache on both CCD.
That would be good. And then 2 and 4 core cut down CCD on the side of the 10 core with X3D. It's fine.
I want a CCX with 12 cores and 3d cash, 7950x3d have two CCX and every one have 8 cores make bad for gaming.
we have a 9-11% up lift calling it now its like 2-3% for 15% more over current elevated price of the 7800x3d
After all the Sh*t that has been going on with hardware (Asus MB, power cables burning up, baloneys specs AMD, EKWB, product warranty screw ups, NVIDIA graphics cards, Microsoft fighting gamers, AMD bailing on hi end GPU’s) ALL in past 12 or so months well I am not holding my breath. Waiting for another shoe to fall with this. 🤷♂️
Missed the stuttuering in games, upscaler reliances, over use of TAA in games, oh and RT scam. Lol
What f****you to AMD supporters of 9000 series release by completely launching a gimped cpu to have the messiah x3d release fix all theor problems... Im still not convinced its going to be anything mind blowing
Gamernexus shirt is going to be a big one this time xD
7950x was pretty buggy for awhile until Gigabyte fixed their MB bios
@@censoredeveryday3320 all of 7,000 series was on release.
I am perfectly happy with my Ryzen 7 5800X3D and an Nvidia RTX 3080. Runs all my games.
Pretty excited, looking to build an x3d system soon
same :)
Same here. I'm on a i9 13900k luckily I have had zero issues with instability. I have always set vcore with a -0.65 which may have saved me. I'd go with a 9800x3d then down the road potentially get the newer x3d since it'll use the same chipset. It'll just be a CPU swap.
More cores per CCD would be nice, but that's way more effort than most people assume. It would drive the price too high. More cores would also compete stronger for cache space, so the 3D-Vcache would need to grow too...
Now im thinking either 9800x3d/9950x3d or 285k lol
AMD all the way, why would you trust Intel after 13th gen?
@@adi6293we have no idea how bad/good the next gen of intel will be, for now let’s wait until release, then we can trash talk or applause
@@leoyi5982not exactly, release wont show problems 2 years down the road
@@leoyi5982because Intel will surely tell you if there are issues with it like with 13th gen right.
Yep they can’t just release CPUs with major issues@@simonsramcik5610
Currently on a 3900x AM4 x570 board, and have a 7800X3D I ordered, just gonna build a new rig around that, and see what happens. I'll trust that, over whatever potential 9x3d they might come up with, unless it turns into the next GOAT. If it wasn't for the fact that the 3900x was bottlenecking the 4090 I bought a while back, I wouldn't be upgrading at all. So much uncertainty with AMD/Intel the last couple gens.
Eh, I’ll stick to my 7800X3D.
Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like the 9000 series is that much better than the 7000’s
You should stick to it, unless the 9800X3D is >20% faster AND you are bottlenecked.
@@gucky4717 I don’t notice any bottlenecks yet 🤷🏻♂️
I have it paired with an MSI 4070 Ti Super, 64 gb ram.
@@OneFreeMan17 i dont think you can really bottleneck the 7800x3d
I search everyday for 9800X3D leaks information. So yes, please share those rumors 😍
Thanks Jay
I just had microcenter build me a custom computer and I went with the AMD 7 7800X3D... I don't think there has been enough time for AMD to have made another amazing CPU yet... technological advances take time... --Really excited to pick up my custom gaming computer 🤩!
i didn't know microcenter builds custom computers- do they charge a fee?
@@supernice_auto Yes they charge a fee but it's reasonable :) ! Mine was $250 from the Tustin, CA location (the lowest option was $150). They based it on the cooling system you add to your PC :) ! --You can design your computer through their site and pick it up (I went for that option) or you can get help in-store designing it and pick it up later that day (if it's not close to closing & not complex cooling).
@@susanh1104 that's awesome thanks for replying man will definitely check this out although I will say takes the fun out of it I do enjoy building my own PCs
@@supernice_auto Was still fun & stressful designing my own PC, but I also have just started a private practice and working on becoming board certified so I don’t have additional time right now to build the PC as well. Hopefully one day in the future I can.
Love the millwork on your rumor mill!!
Me on my 5700X: 😐
So you cashing out of this?
@@AwesomeBlackDude im saying that im not gonna buy
@@notluminaire Understandable. I remember going to Microcenter planning to buy an RTX 4070, maybe an RTX 3080, but ended up purchasing a 3090 24GB GDDR6X for a cool $600 (open box). I mean, who knew? I sure didn’t! 🤣
Me on my 5700x: 😁 ready to upgrade
Same with my 5800x3d
I do believe a lot of enthusiasts are waiting for X3D and to see the performance it will bring. Lots of people are waiting to snag a 7800X3D at a reduced price as well (i might be one of those, depending on the performance of the 9800X3D), i did exactly what Jay said, i bought a B650 PG Lightning, a 7600 non-x and 32 GB of DDR5 6000 CL 30 in preparation for the 9000 series. Mostly for the 9800X3D but also maybe a 7800X3D if the performance is just single-digit uplift.
My reasoning was that it's always nice to have a cheaper cpu with integrated graphics around for troubleshooting and such. I'm still debating with myself if i want to sell my old combo B550 Aorus Elite V2, 5900X and 32 GB kit of 3200 DDR4.
I'd have probably bought a 5800X3D instead of the 5900X but i hadn't even heard rumors of that cpu when i got the 5900X. In fact, i was going to get a 5800X but that went out of stock between the time i had the parts in the basket and the time i was trying to click buy, so 5900X it was. If that were the case, i'd have kept the 5800X3D until whatever comes after Ryzen 9000 series =)
I'm still running a ryzen 7 5800X3D & 3080
Thank you Jay for your informative content, I really am glad to be watching your videos. All I could say is: Best wishes to you, and I hope you have a great day!
The Ending 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
first time I hear about windows powerplan completely wrecking powerconsumption and efficiency for AMD CPUs - kind of an important topic to understand before a possible purchase, I feel kind of dingus that this topic has eluded me for so long. so thanks a bunch, I probably would've paniced after install that performance isn't just where it needs to be, I think you've just saved future me from a lot of stress & meltdowns :D
I’m still running an AM4 5800x. 😂
Me too, and it still holds up
And im running 3600, the struggle is real :P
@@mystiika intel i5-6400, dont talk here guys :D
Phenom-II here....
still a solid cpu
I have an rtx 4080 paired with a 5800x3d and I game at 4k. I upgraded from a 2700x to the 5800x3d and saw a noticeable gain in fps. Probably 10fps on average. However from the benchmarks I have seen, there is negligible improvement going from the 5800x3d to 7800x3d/7950x3d, like 5 fps max. Clearly that's not worth upgrading to or even changing generations for. At this point the only way I'd upgrade without an actual fps improvement is if they were able to get a 16 core x3d chip operate under 100w tdp. Because I am more focused on reducing thermals so I can reduce noise for recording.
I'll stick with my 5950x until the 10k.....
I don't remember what the process was for making K3D in nanometers. But one of the things that has been rumored is that a newer, smaller process will be used for the 9000 series. Besides the temperature issue, there is another problem with X3D, namely that the third level cache is at different speeds. The one on the CCD is faster, the other one added is slower and with a greater delay (latency). The idea behind the rumors is that through the advanced process for X3D will stand the same manufacturing process in nanometers, and that the CCD architecture has been changed to have almost the same latency as with the main level 3 cache.
If these things are achieved, there will be a noticeable increase in speed, and not just in games anymore. It will have a bigger cache, faster... and hopefully thinner so it doesn't interfere with the heat so much
Me patiently waiting for the 9800x3d to drop in hopes of snatching a 7800x3d on discount 🤓
Smart customer ;-)
I hope the somewhat better efficiency (in some situations) on zen5 helps the x3ds squeeze as much frequency as possible out of their meagre power budget
And I litrealy bought a 7800x3d 😂... Maybe ruturning that and wait.... M
I personally wouldn't, but it's up to you. My assumption is that 9800X3D will be MAX 10% faster
Or you could be happy with what you bought.. unless you paid a huge markup for it.
In my opinion, upgrading from the 7800 X3D to the 9800 X3D is not worth the money. Even if it is faster, the improvement in IPC (Instructions Per Clock) wouldn't be noticeable compared to the 7800 X3D. However, this is just my personal opinion. I don't want to dictate what others should do with their money. If you are upgrading from an Intel 9700K like I am, then the 9800 X3D would be a great upgrade.
@@markozindovic9227 9800X3D is expected to be 10-20% faster depending on workload, due to increased clockspeeds and unlocked for OC there maybe is additional headroom. 7800X3D is still good tho, but obviously 9800X3D will be better and fix many of the issues 7800X3D had (main low clockspeeds and sensitive 3D cache)
@@Dr.WhetFarts I still stand by my projection, no more than 10% in gaming workloads
Edit: On average, of course
Hey Jay, when they're out, you should do a detailed update on how to undervolt those CPUs!
Ruuuuumor miiiill
Yup, a CPU with a dual CCD and dual 3D V-cache (or more than 8 cores on a single CCD) is exactly what I'm personally waiting for... Also for GPU prices to come down enough so it makes sense to upgrade from my 3080 and 5900X. I'm more than happy with 120/ 144 fps on my 2K monitor at the moment.
Please don’t become a rumor mill channel. Rare ones that seem extremely reasonable like this, yes, but otherwise don’t go all Moore’s Law is Dead on us.
Completetly agree, it is one of the downfalls of a lot of the channels.
if 9800x3ds are 9700x golden chip that clock high while using low voltage, it'd be amazing.
Imagien a 9800x3d @5.4ghz all core.. The performance would be amazing.
I just bought the 9950X of Amazon 😊
Bet ya would have gotten one at MicroCenter if you had one near you :)
Good choice,I did the same. Rather that one then i9 heatwreck
I just only upgraded from ryzen 9 5900x to ryzen 5 9600x and really like it so far.
I use an Arctic Freezer 36 and achieve 45°C Idle BUT only 67°C max.
Never got across the 67°C mark checking it with the Ryzen master software.
The only shortcoming i noticed on a first start of Starfield was that the ryzen 5 went under massive load when loading the shaders the first time. No other issues after that.
AMD cooked themselves. They need to only release the X3D varient and provide the non X3D as low cost part to prebuilds. Every enthusiasts will wait for X3D parts to release on every generations.