Practically 2025, and people are still excited about frame gains in 1080p, a very old and low resolution that already surpassed the hundreds of FPS mark years ago...
@@franklinbr4688 Competitive FPS games are a thing. The super sweaty players in games like CS, Valorant, Apex, etc. use 1080p to get the most frames possible (500+ FPS) so they can have the most edge over other players. I personally think it's dumb AF as well, but there's a market for it, lol.
He’s actually recommending 12th/13th gen because of the 14th gen issues and core ultra latency. I’m honestly surprised he doesn’t have a write up on 9800x3d yet.
@@jamesm568 The 7800x3d is crippled by temp and power limits. It's disheartening. Even if you completely remove temp throttling you still are crippled by power throttling. There is such a huge variance in 7800x3d performance as a result, most people are running them way below their actual perf limit. You take a poll of 100 7800x3d users r23 scores and most of them will be 15-17k points with very few if any at all up in the 19-20k scores they should be hitting with a little pbo optimisation. I'm 100% confident AMD realised this which led to the die revisions for the 9800x3d and increased power limit. There was so much performance left on the table for 90% of users.
@@pwn3426 I personally don't waste my time with undervolting as I get better results with overclocking, which may or may not be efficient at times. Overclocking is something the 7800X3D can't do. I like to overclock for performance, not undervolting to get the performance. The 7800X3D does benefit from undervolting though, but technically it's not being overclocked like the 9800X3D supposedly can do.
@@ekhyddan apparently there is a third option. But he’s putting himself out there. So I really don’t want to discourage. Music can be (and should be) a beautiful addition to life. It just takes commitment
In online store I usually shop they made 9800x3D available at 2pm. It landed in my cart at 2:01pm, clicked "Pay" before 2:02pm and got error message "This product is currently unavailable". After returning to product page it was marked "Out of stock". Either they had like 3 9800x3ds for sale or 5 thousand people (or bots) clicked at the same time and it was lottery. Insane popularity of 9800x3D.
Its funny because newegg said last night that they were going up for sale at 9AM. I woke up at 8, checked at 8:30 and they were already up for sale, snatched it right before they said sold out. They opened the gates early without telling anyone.
in germany on mindfactory they were for sale for like 20ish minutes. then they sold out and went "out of stock" - guess the demand was just so freaking high.
Same. I was ready the second that Amazon put it up, denied. Had already lost out on Newegg. Luckily I have a Microcenter nearby. Have one reserved there for pickup tomorrow.
AMD is killing it recently. I'm running a R9 5950X, works amazingly well for everything i want it to do, mix of gaming, music production and video editing.
Budget gamer here, my R5 5500 plays games a lot better than the R7 1700 it replaced. I'd say AMD has been in the lead since they launched Zen. I'm hoping Intel push to take back the crown, not because I'm a brand boy, but because the best way both firms deliver more is when competition forces them to. Core nearly wiped out AMD, Zen is now a full competitor in every area of computing.
@@darthwiizius And even on your AM4 platform you can get a beast of a gaming CPU upgrade just by throwing a 5700X3D in there if you want to get more life out of your system. These X3D chips for gaming are amazing.
Same here, still rocking with a 5950x & 4080S FE Got a B650Ei but still havent felt like building with it. As you rightly said gaming and everywork i do i never fel need to upgrade yet. Into AR VR Design
Still running an FM2 Apu 😂 but laptop has 8000 series and looking forward to get a mini pc with that 16 core 40 CU Apu that is coming next year. After that probably a zen6. Always buy the latest generation on a platform. Saves you from wanting to upgrade too often 😂 in that the 5950x is perfect. 😂
If you take it slow and easy you won't hurt anything as overclocking very rarely hurts your components as long as you don't get too outrageous as most have a failsafe.
@@jamesm568 I can agree and confirm. 4670K @ 1.5v for over 6 yrs and my 6700k @ 1.45V for 6 or 7 years now with no drop in performance or instability from those overclocks. From my experience overclocking over the years, heat seems to be what degrades parts not voltage.
@@djlytic4603 Hes not known for his overclocking lol. J has a lot more videos on it. although this one wasn't it. All he did was PBO stuff you could already do. Im confused about it. I thought we were seeing new stuff available for this chip. If you do this stuff to your 7800x3d you will also see big gains.
Hey Jay i'm not sure if you're aware or not but a -15mV offset isn't a flat -15mV since it's not how Curve Optimizer works. It works in steps with each step being around 3-5mV and a -15 negative offset is more realistically a 45-75mV reduction (depending on workload). It's also why it's incredibly unlikely you'd be able to go -30 or beyond unless you got a golden sample.
Thats very interesting, i thought it was a flat offset. I assume this applies to 7800x3d aswell, which mean i have a bit of a golden sample i guess since im running -30 on all cores
I can do - 22 and +100 offset in 9950x and 3200/6400 ram CL30. It's quite fast. +250 points in cinebench 24 multi. Its a shame that 9950x have one great ccx and one shite tier ccx. It holds it back.
@@Met1900 People have been saying that for over a decade and we still haven't reached a point where more than 8 cores provide serious improvements to gaming performance. Most games still use less than 8 cores. 8 cores is more than enough for now and the near future.
@@merlin6819 exactly. ppl said "need more then 6 cores " like.. literally 6-8 years ago. and yet i have some games who use single or even dual core. and even if new games need 10 cores or 12, it will run more then fine on your 8 core x3d :)
I would suggest taking 8000-8200 mt/s ram and tuning 6400-6600 mt/s on that chip in 1:1 mode. I mean lower all primary timings as for as they can stably go without exceeding 1,5 volts on ram and use buildzoids easy hynix a-die timings and compare it to tuned 8000-8200 mt/s in 2:1 mode. Also fclk should be in 3:1 ratio in 1:1 mode (6000 mt/s 2000 mhz fclk).
So you only have one PC? I have many workstations and gpus, so I never have any downtime. Have to put work in bit by byte 24/7. There is no rest for the wicked.
@@Snxgur I just bought my 9800x3d today, honestly, depending on the what you play ig, I play alot of "newer" cpu focused games (like tarkov) and im not tight for cash like sum, i could have easily gone another generation, but the boost in fps will be nice, I know most 4k gaming is bottled necked by the GPU but I would like to think it would help a little in 4k compared to the 5800x, im not sure though
@@Snxgurwhy replace it? I have a 5700x, gives enough performance to play anything at enough fps. Not everyone can change CPUs every 2 years or so and tbh why even change it?
I was lucky enough to get one on hold at Microcenter, going to get it today. I won't OC it just yet, want to see more OC videos and get an answer on if it really does void the warranty.
Hey J, great video! As you love flight simulator as well it would be awesome to do a video when MSFS 2024 comes out as it's now multithreaded, comparing heavy core count vs X3d's CPU performance!
That's what I got the 9800X3D for as my computer is solely dedicated to this flight simulator and other flight simulators. I never work and play on the same PC.
I'm waiting to see those comparisons too, but I doubt this and other high level reviewers would do it. There's is too much variability in MSFS to make a reliable benchmark for the masses.
Man, I remember when Jay started learning how to playing Guitar, its pretty close to when Ryzen came out. No he is a pro and Ryzen is a beast, what a time to be alive!
You quoted Adventures in babysitting... (Ain't nobody leave this place without singin the blues! MY 9800x3d is on its way and this made my night! Thanks Jay!
I tried getting one at micro center this morning and they were immediately sold out. They are selling them for $480 while people are selling them on Amazon for $200-$300 more.
I msg a seller. They told me to look at the website around 3pm. So when i looked i was the first to get one. Sold out in 3 min. I live in the netherlands, but it sold out almost everywere. Now you need to wait 9 days for the next batch.
They have explained it, over and over again. There is a Memory Clock and a Memory Controller Clock. The Controller has a MAX limit of 3000 (MAYBE, 3200 on some chips). This x2 is the memory speed (when at a 1:1 ratio). So 6000 or on some very good chips up to 6400. If you set memory speed higher than that, you have to set the controller to 1/2 speed instead of a 1:1 ratio. If you set the controller to 1/2 ratio. then even at a ram speed of 8800, the RAM is running at 4400 and the controller is running at 2200. You get better performance with both running at 3000 instead. Not hard to understand. And you get teh added benefit that 6000MHZ ram is also signifcantly cheaper.
Dunno mate, the majority of the productivity charts were showing an Intel at the top. But hey, go take your 500 dollar CPU and the 1500 dollar GPU and play games in 1080p.
you know a 9800x3d is more stable fps than a 285k even at 4k?Even lets say it is a dif only 3-4%...The 1% lows which matters so much...there is the diff@@Sylar0n
Check Linus Tech Tips review. He even shows 1440p and 4K benchmarks. Spoiler alert: There is no point to upgrade if you play on highest settings, even in 1080p.
omg. Jay you are my hero for this. When you were explaining the error that would happen on the 670, this is a problem i've been trying to figure out for months. thank you. *update - fixed it, you saved me like $400. legend
Good thing my X870 Taichi board is arriving tomorrow. I'm glad these can be overclocked now, but I'm just going to leave mine at stock until I actually struggle to hit even 60fps when it's not a GPU bottleneck.
Check Linus Tech Tips review. He even shows 1440p and 4K benchmarks. Spoiler alert: There is no point to upgrade if you play on highest settings, even in 1080p.
@@DanteBellin there are a few exceptions so its not completely useless, they shoulda showed more games. If u watch I think it was hardware unboxed 7800x3d review, woth a 4090 it shows a few games like flight sim, hogwarts legacy, n far cry n like 2 or 3 more get up to 20 fps boost at 4k, going from 58 to 78x3d
@@Miggs12 yes at 1440p going from that cpu to the 9800x3d would be almost like upgrading to a 4090 for a quarter of the price, u will get like 50-60 fps more in most games. Check optimum review on it he did 1440p testing
The curveshaper is now actually awesome, if you know what to do. You can lower the overall voltage, but also increase the max clock. If you don't reach the max clock due to low voltage, you can tune the higher end of the curve to give more voltage on high clocks, but keep the lower voltage at low clocks.
i'm waiting for 9950x3d to see what its like i like the extra head room of the cores for multitasking and it not eating into games i'm on 7950x3d and i just like the extra cores
It wont normalize. The 7800X3Ds arent going down in price any, so why would the 9800X3D? Theyll have to flood the market with more of them, and even then I have a feeling the prices wont even out, maybe in like a year or two, and by then itll be the 10900X3Ds that everyone wants.
@@CommissariatGames7800x3d did go down in price though,it's only recently it went back up with reduced stock. Early this year they went down to £300-350
Scalpers just mean I wait to be generation behind for sure. Most important is to not reward the scalpers. Previous gen is stable and much better value for money.
Jay, your wish might be coming true. It's my wish also. We all know how the rumors fly in the tech world, but heard there should be substantial gains in the 12 and 16 core Ryzen CPUs soon. Gains that make the 9800X3D improvements over the 7800X3D pale in comparison. There was no when or how, but maybe 3D V-Cache for both CCDs? Or at least a way for both CCDs to access the same 3D V-Cache? Maybe that's a reason why the 8 core X3D part was released before the 12 and 16 core parts this time around? Working out bugs or possibly waiting for next generation, DAMMMIT I love and hate rumors. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Exactly if why buy a chip with 2 CCDs when you park the cores that do not access 3D V-Cache. You are literally getting half of the value you paid for these chips. I haven't heard anything about the latest Intel running into issue where motherboard settings are degrading the CPU of the 285 chip. I am sure it is to early for any side effects like we have seen with 13900 and 14900 chip to come to light yet, but I still kind of expected it to happen.
1:20 is happening to me too. Im unable to restart my PC without shutting it off and turning it on, restart gets stuck. After doing a research it seems its an issue with the RAM training... x670E Tomahawk with the latest BIOS. Never had this issue before...
Can't wait 9950X3D benchmarks ! 😀 Even if I have a 7950X3D and I dont want to change my CPU soon, it would be awesome to see how the 3DV cache technology can change perfs on 16 cores CPUs
do you think they tested the 7950x3D with all 16 cores enabled here? i thought the 7950x3D should be as fast as the 7800x3D when the 8 cores without 3D cache are disabled.
They create scarcity on purpose to drive prices high and circumvent the Black Friday offers in order to maximize profits. Right now 9800x3D is an elitist product that honestly is quite lackluster (essentially little more than an unlocked cache swapped 7800x3D) but gets glazed because it's a damn duopoly. I was ready to build a new X870E PC and I kinda don't want to anymore. I have the money, worked hard to earn it by the way. All this to spend 600€ for what? One specimen of the mighty 9800 "A jump nonetheless" x3D? One of the last things I tolerate is to be treated like a switch they can control, especially when it comes to money. F*** AMD.
I built a PC in 2017 and got the Ryzen 1700. That thing had no worries whatsoever about a +600MHz overclock, just straight up. I probably could have pushed it a lot further still, but I was quite content with that. It basically made it equal to, if not surpassing, the higher clocked SKUs for free. It's so nice seeing AMD still promoting and supporting overclocking like that. My very first overclocking experience was back in the Duron days, where the physical bridges that unlocked multiples were cut, but you could fill them in with a simple pencil, again turning a mid-tier CPU into a higher-tier one with zero downsides or issues.
@@Ice-00099 Australia must have had a midnight launch, I woke up at 3 am and put my order in for are 9800 X3D but I think I missed out :( Dame you sleep I should have stayed up lol.
I believe he was playing “no one knows you when you are down and out” original by Bessie Smith Scrapper blackwell popularized it, artists like clapton have covered it… amazing blues standard I love playing this tune also. Great taste there!
I don’t feel like it’s that “people don’t get that”, but that they want to know how the cpu would affect them in a real world scenario in their rig if they went out and bought it 7:04
But they won’t get that info with a GPU-bottlenecked benchmark 🤦🏼♂️ Could people understand this once and for all please? If the benchmark is GPU-bottlenecked (which many are at 4K, even with a 4090), it is as useful as showing “Hey, here are some random results from many benchmark runs where absolutely nothing changes. Enjoy!” “Okay, but in the real world I don’t have a 4090 playing Valorant at 1080p. What use are the CPU benchmarks for me”: 1), they’ll show you the max gain you’ll be able to get from changing the CPU alone. You can then calculate yourself how that percentage will affect your particular system (which no benchmark would be able to say precisely for everyone); and that leads me to the most important point: 2) it shows you how future proof the CPU is - ie. the maximum FPS you’ll ever be able to get in the game independently of the rest of your system. You may upgrade to an RTX 6090 with 1TB VRAM and a 2000hz monitor, but that won’t mean anything if your 7800X3D can only deliver 140fps. Your FPS will never be higher than that.
@@andre_ss6there's many games that this is completely right but sim games and other CPU intensive games would be nice to see. Quite a few sim racing games are still quite CPU bound even triple 1440p monitors. It's difficult to know exactly how much they are CPU bound as not many reviewers actually benchmark these more niche games, which is understandable
Oh great, gotta buy $250+ X870 mobos now. By the way, tell Microcenter to ship damn it. I got an itch to build after a loooong time but they no shippy anything. I dont want to support that egg place and MC has the best deals hands down. I probably wouldve called it Christmas this morning if they'd just ship stuff. 14 hours of driving just ain't worth it to me.
They need to stop hating on the northeast! There's like 5 of them in the NYC region (and Long Island) but NONE in upstate NY or New England (except the ONE in Boston). Me mad!!one
@mnemonik61 same for the phoenix az area! The closest to me is the store Jay goes to in Southern California. He'll we have old frys electronics stores that they could use
Unfortunately, if Microcenter started shipping it would ruin what makes them good, and they would open themselves up to bots and scalpers. My local Microcenter in Minnesota had like 100+ 9800x3ds available today, and as I write this they have literally one left past 3:00 PM. I think they sold out in a second on Best Buy and Amazon.
@@mnemonik61imagine how we feel over in Europe, microcentere looks absolutely amazing with everything they stock, over here we have nothing like that.
@JaysTwoCents I don't know if you've had the opportunity yet to play with the new Crucial Pro DDR5. Reason I bring this is up is because I've had nothing but issues with boots running EXPO on any "approved" RAM for x670e. I ended up with this kit from Crucial, CP2K16G64C38U5B , has since fixed ALL of my issues with no boot and random crashes and runs EXPO flawlessly. P.S. I commented it on your last twitch stream and got in trouble about it. Sorry about that.... Was just trying to share the good news!
I still think it can be useful for people to see 1440p or 4k benchmarks because it can show people they don't need to upgrade their CPU for a while if they game at higher resolutions.
It's almost a common blues turnaround. To switch between a chord and another sometimes you make a chromatic movement with the bass note of the chord to the next chord, which is what you hear just right there.
@@stefanos8156 They have schizophrenia. There's not any reason to switch. My x3d cpu has a crack in it and the tip of a pin on my motherboard is loose, but I moved it back. I didn't finish my build but I guess I'll just get a 50 series gpu and find out. It boots fine.
@@dolpoof2335 Ok, well my asus board fried my 7950X. That driver fiasco hit me and killed my cpu with voltage. I have a b650 right now, I want to overclock the 9800x3d because it actually works and I'll get a quality board to do it. I've been overclocking since I was 10 with a Pentium 4.
I keep seeing this in cpu reviews lately. I guess reviewers don't really explain it anymore. The review is for the cpu, so the goal is to make the cpu the bottleneck, not the gpu. At 1080p, it's about how well the cpu can keep up with the 4090. Put it at 1440p or 4k and (in some games) 4090 will peak and the cpu is going to end up doing less work. You see this here when jay switches to 4k (cpu power draw goes down), or at gn when they have a 1440p table and all the top cpu's cluster around the same fps. That's because the bottleneck switches to the gpu, obscuring cpu performance.
Zen 5 has easy all core OC. My 9700x is currently running 5.5ghz. I use 5.4ghz all day because it requires so much less voltage at 1.225v set and it droops to 1.19-1.2v with mode 4 LLC on my Strix B650E-E and peaks 140w. I couldn't get 5.4 all core to be stable with PBO, but manual OC was a cake walk and I could easily push it passed where PBO could do. Maybe milage varies, but manual OC is worth it I would say. Make sure if you OC Zen to disable core performance boost( boost algorithm) global C-State control and PSS support. PSS and C-State control are power management features which can sometimes make a manual OC unstable for no other reason than they are enabled.
Thanks for the great video! I have a idea/request for a video. With there being more cases that support upright mounting of GPUs, could You test if there is a difference of using a GPU with and without a vapor chamber in a upright orientation (like in the Thermaltake Tower cases). I have heard the the vapor chamber might not work correctly and the temps would be a lot higher, but it is hard to find confirmation. Would be great help for deciding on the GPU for a upright mounted build.
This is incredible. Not only arguably the best chip on the market right now, but still has room to bump it up later down the road when it starts to struggle. I'm going to hold out until the 9900x3d and see if the rumors about both chiplets getting 3d v-cache is true, but if not, I think this is going to be my cpu of choice.
Jay, As an iRacer I really would love for you to do some evaluations of these chips as it relates to sim racing. triple 1080p and triple 1440p test results vs some older CPU as well (cough 5900x) I am currently torn as I want to do an upgrade and the 9800X3D looks great, BUT sim racing requirements are different and I feel like the 9900X3D or even the 9950X3D would be better for that use case.
Look for odyssey benchmarks on TH-cam. He does a few benchmarks with Iracing specifically. He doesn't have too many CPUs unlike these bigger TH-cam channels but it's the best we have. He hasn't released anything for the 9800x3d but Iracing does show a decent difference between CPUs even with triple 1440p screens. I'd love to see other triple screen sim games.
Manual overclocking is where it's at for the 9800X3D, a very simple 56X multiplier with a simple +100m VC voltage, and its easy 5.6Ghz all core, and if you got a motherboard with an EBCLK generator like the X870E Taichi, you can make even minor adjustments with your BCLK speed like 105mhz @ 56x could get you very close to 5.9Ghz.
@smoofwah3552 just keep upping the voltage by like 25mv, until it's stable, if you have sufficient cooling, even at 1.4v it shouldn't get over 75 degrees on full load
New Ryzens are pretty happy with overclocking. Did the same with my 9950X, +200MHz, CCD0 negative 15 and CCD1 negative 10 offsets. Boosted to over 6,01GHz and even the "bad" CCD boosted to 5,81.👍
I'll be interested to see what the architecture is like on the 9950X3D. If it's like the speculation is expecting with a V-Cache layer under each CCD, and 196 MB cache.. Assuming that solves some of its scheduling issues, it should be a veritable monster compared to the 7950X3D. This new architecture layout is one of the reason why I'm finally considering AMD over Intel, now that overclocking/tuning is on the table. I'll be curious to see when we'll see CU-DIMMS available for AMD, or maybe even CAMM2. Hopefully CES 2025 churns out some good products. I plan on finishing out my new build for my overhaul shortly after CES.
I am betting it will still suffer the dual ccd penalty with only one ccd having the 3D vcache. I’m skipping Zen 5. I’ll see if Zen 6 can make a significant improvement.
In my situation I don't really have a choice of waiting. I'm going from laptop 9700k back to a desktop setup. So I'm building a whole new system from scratch for 4k gaming. After CES and the reviews are all available, I'll just have to make the best choice of CPU then. I'll be pairing it with a RTX 5090 for 4k gaming, so if need be I can slack a bit on CPU choice. But I'll just have to wait and see. If they can sort out the scheduling issues on the 9950X3D vs the 7950X3D, then it should technically be able to dominate in theory.
Most of us do get why the main test should always be 1080p and 4090, however several modern games are more CPU intensive. Games like Jedi Survivor/Hogworts can already have CPU bottlenecks at 1440p - to the point that I actually turn up Graphic seetings to increase framerate. As this resolution is most common now for high end cards it is nice to see what changes in that senario. 4k is current less affected although still can be, but is more about the 1% lows and stutters at this point.
Wish you'd test games that are actually in need of better cpu performance. Dragons dogma 2, space marine 2, baldurs gate 3. Hell the original kingdom come deliverence is INCREDIBLY cpu bound even today
GIGABYTE X3D Turbo Mode is a cutting-edge feature that unifies cores distribution, bandwidth tuning, and hardware power balancing, resulting in pushing the boundaries of gaming performance. Bios update on gigabyte motherboard certain boards
@6:03 9800X3D is at top of chart; highlight won't correspond with the dialogue here
Don't worry it just highlights Intel's grave even more.
Eric Clapton, nobody knows you when you're down and out.
A wild Nic appears! Lol.
Practically 2025, and people are still excited about frame gains in 1080p, a very old and low resolution that already surpassed the hundreds of FPS mark years ago...
@@franklinbr4688 Competitive FPS games are a thing. The super sweaty players in games like CS, Valorant, Apex, etc. use 1080p to get the most frames possible (500+ FPS) so they can have the most edge over other players.
I personally think it's dumb AF as well, but there's a market for it, lol.
Userbenchmark told me this is probably an AI generated video and to buy a 14900KS
Lmao
He’s actually recommending 12th/13th gen because of the 14th gen issues and core ultra latency. I’m honestly surprised he doesn’t have a write up on 9800x3d yet.
@@mybrotherjames8579 It's not like anyone's lining up to send them review samples. It's just some ill dude's crazy ramblings.
I think you mean a Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 Processor 285K
36M Cache, up to 5.70 GHz unlocked 8p core 16e core processor cpu processing unit
@@xFluing I do see the Core™, but the glyph after the intel renders as a black box. Is that intel© or intel®?
Edit: oh, I see. It's fine while writing, but gets broken upon saving. :(
Overclocked 9800X3D performance jump is like the jump between one generation to another in some of these benchmarks, that is incredible
Especially todays yes you're absolutely right
This is why I skipped the 7800X3D as I personally found it somewhat neutered and locked for my taste.
@@jamesm568
The 7800x3d is crippled by temp and power limits. It's disheartening.
Even if you completely remove temp throttling you still are crippled by power throttling.
There is such a huge variance in 7800x3d performance as a result, most people are running them way below their actual perf limit.
You take a poll of 100 7800x3d users r23 scores and most of them will be 15-17k points with very few if any at all up in the 19-20k scores they should be hitting with a little pbo optimisation.
I'm 100% confident AMD realised this which led to the die revisions for the 9800x3d and increased power limit. There was so much performance left on the table for 90% of users.
@@jamesm568 underclocked? are you mental? mine sits 5050 while gaming, lul...
@@pwn3426 I personally don't waste my time with undervolting as I get better results with overclocking, which may or may not be efficient at times. Overclocking is something the 7800X3D can't do. I like to overclock for performance, not undervolting to get the performance. The 7800X3D does benefit from undervolting though, but technically it's not being overclocked like the 9800X3D supposedly can do.
9800X3D: - You know how loooong I been waitin fo dis? Wooo Imma bout to make a name fo myself here!
AMD didn't take a Gambit with this one.
like bruh totally lit finna cap bro. yah feel me cuz?
Is this a facebook post?
I don't think you guys walk away from this
And boom!
$600? 😂😂😂 The scalpers have it for sale on Amazon for $999...
Was able to snatch one from Amazon at like 7:04 AM Central
@@dramion5486 same here, scalpers snagged the rest up right after
And restocks will be coming in over and over
And? 😐
I seen it fluctuate on Amazon between $999 and $650. I got my 9800X3D at retail off of Walmart believe it or not.
Never knew he played guitar
He doesn't, but he's trying... lol
@@chrislang7460 Do or do not. There is no try.
Lol
@@ekhyddan apparently there is a third option. But he’s putting himself out there. So I really don’t want to discourage. Music can be (and should be) a beautiful addition to life. It just takes commitment
He's been taking lessons for awhile now
In online store I usually shop they made 9800x3D available at 2pm. It landed in my cart at 2:01pm, clicked "Pay" before 2:02pm and got error message "This product is currently unavailable". After returning to product page it was marked "Out of stock". Either they had like 3 9800x3ds for sale or 5 thousand people (or bots) clicked at the same time and it was lottery. Insane popularity of 9800x3D.
Its funny because newegg said last night that they were going up for sale at 9AM. I woke up at 8, checked at 8:30 and they were already up for sale, snatched it right before they said sold out. They opened the gates early without telling anyone.
Bots buy those things up before they ever hit the shelves, a couple of months before they are easy to buy.
in germany on mindfactory they were for sale for like 20ish minutes. then they sold out and went "out of stock" -
guess the demand was just so freaking high.
Same. I was ready the second that Amazon put it up, denied. Had already lost out on Newegg.
Luckily I have a Microcenter nearby. Have one reserved there for pickup tomorrow.
They are being scalped for over $600 on ebay.
AMD is killing it recently. I'm running a R9 5950X, works amazingly well for everything i want it to do, mix of gaming, music production and video editing.
Had the same chip for two+ years. Love that thing.
Budget gamer here, my R5 5500 plays games a lot better than the R7 1700 it replaced. I'd say AMD has been in the lead since they launched Zen. I'm hoping Intel push to take back the crown, not because I'm a brand boy, but because the best way both firms deliver more is when competition forces them to. Core nearly wiped out AMD, Zen is now a full competitor in every area of computing.
@@darthwiizius And even on your AM4 platform you can get a beast of a gaming CPU upgrade just by throwing a 5700X3D in there if you want to get more life out of your system. These X3D chips for gaming are amazing.
Same here, still rocking with a 5950x & 4080S FE
Got a B650Ei but still havent felt like building with it.
As you rightly said gaming and everywork i do i never fel need to upgrade yet.
Into AR VR Design
Still running an FM2 Apu 😂 but laptop has 8000 series and looking forward to get a mini pc with that 16 core 40 CU Apu that is coming next year. After that probably a zen6. Always buy the latest generation on a platform. Saves you from wanting to upgrade too often 😂 in that the 5950x is perfect. 😂
Intels cooked for real this time
AMD has beaten Intel so hard this time... insane! I wanna this cpu.
Only if games is your only game.
@@jeffer2350 only games matter about fluid frame rates at max eye candy, who gives a shit if an app takes 5 more seconds decompressing a 1Gb file?
@@jeffer2350 Agreed, as a person who outgrow gaming, I kinda like the results of Intel when it comes to AI, Video Editing and 3D Modeling.
@@jeffer2350wait for 9950X3D
Scalpers scooped up most of them too
These overclocking videos are something I'll probably never do but it's fun to watch
Let alone buying what is close to $700 CAD CPU
If you take it slow and easy you won't hurt anything as overclocking very rarely hurts your components as long as you don't get too outrageous as most have a failsafe.
Do it 😅
@@jamesm568 I can agree and confirm. 4670K @ 1.5v for over 6 yrs and my 6700k @ 1.45V for 6 or 7 years now with no drop in performance or instability from those overclocks. From my experience overclocking over the years, heat seems to be what degrades parts not voltage.
@I0ITuGI0I normally when you start to have a heat problem there would be a stability problem.
JTC needs to do an overclock competition with GN and Bearded HW. Maybe a LN2 on the 9800x3D.
GN talks. He has no overclocking skills.
@dingleberries360 "no skills" is a bit unfair. More like he isnt world renowned for his oc skills
and Vince Lucido
@@dingleberries360Says someone named BigDiaper you can't make this up 😂
@@djlytic4603 Hes not known for his overclocking lol. J has a lot more videos on it. although this one wasn't it. All he did was PBO stuff you could already do. Im confused about it. I thought we were seeing new stuff available for this chip. If you do this stuff to your 7800x3d you will also see big gains.
Hey Jay i'm not sure if you're aware or not but a -15mV offset isn't a flat -15mV since it's not how Curve Optimizer works. It works in steps with each step being around 3-5mV and a -15 negative offset is more realistically a 45-75mV reduction (depending on workload).
It's also why it's incredibly unlikely you'd be able to go -30 or beyond unless you got a golden sample.
Thats very interesting, i thought it was a flat offset. I assume this applies to 7800x3d aswell, which mean i have a bit of a golden sample i guess since im running -30 on all cores
Didt you test the cores for errors.?@@Ekman95
@@Ekman95 might be clock stretching that saves your cpu from crashing
I can do - 22 and +100 offset in 9950x and 3200/6400 ram CL30. It's quite fast. +250 points in cinebench 24 multi. Its a shame that 9950x have one great ccx and one shite tier ccx. It holds it back.
@@ziffer90 Just read about clock stretching and you might be right. Will have to do some testing, thanks for the info.
Perfect! I asked in your last video probably about an hour before you posted this vid if you had tested memory speeds. I look forward to that video.
You shoiud do a Mr. Rogers type opening. The whole shabang. House slippers and coat too! Pure gold!
yes please. that would be wonderful!!! he could totally pull if off if they can stop laughing the whole time lol
Do it! I need a good laugh. 😂
Precedent set. All videos must now open with a few guitar rifts.
Im waiting for the metal solo when 16 core x3d comes out
@@djlytic4603keep that for threadripper 🤣
Ill be happy with my $309 7800x3d for years to come
I think you soon need more than 8 cores. New games will move forward in corecount.
@@Met1900 People have been saying that for over a decade and we still haven't reached a point where more than 8 cores provide serious improvements to gaming performance. Most games still use less than 8 cores. 8 cores is more than enough for now and the near future.
@@merlin6819 exactly. ppl said "need more then 6 cores " like.. literally 6-8 years ago. and yet i have some games who use single or even dual core.
and even if new games need 10 cores or 12, it will run more then fine on your 8 core x3d :)
@@Met1900quad core utilisation wasn't a thing until very very recently I think 8 cores are plenty.
Yes it probably be year a few years before I am able to upgrade from mine, but these reviews are more impressive than when 9xx0X chips first came out.
I would suggest taking 8000-8200 mt/s ram and tuning 6400-6600 mt/s on that chip in 1:1 mode. I mean lower all primary timings as for as they can stably go without exceeding 1,5 volts on ram and use buildzoids easy hynix a-die timings and compare it to tuned 8000-8200 mt/s in 2:1 mode. Also fclk should be in 3:1 ratio in 1:1 mode (6000 mt/s 2000 mhz fclk).
I'm not even close to replacing my 5800X, but LORD, what the industry does today 💀
So you only have one PC? I have many workstations and gpus, so I never have any downtime. Have to put work in bit by byte 24/7. There is no rest for the wicked.
@@xlr555usa 🤡
why not replace it?
@@Snxgur I just bought my 9800x3d today, honestly, depending on the what you play ig, I play alot of "newer" cpu focused games (like tarkov) and im not tight for cash like sum, i could have easily gone another generation, but the boost in fps will be nice, I know most 4k gaming is bottled necked by the GPU but I would like to think it would help a little in 4k compared to the 5800x, im not sure though
@@Snxgurwhy replace it? I have a 5700x, gives enough performance to play anything at enough fps. Not everyone can change CPUs every 2 years or so and tbh why even change it?
I ordered my 9800X3D this morning from Amazon! Can't wait!
Same!!!I got super lucky.
I was lucky enough to get one on hold at Microcenter, going to get it today. I won't OC it just yet, want to see more OC videos and get an answer on if it really does void the warranty.
Just don't oc bruh at stock it's insane
Hey J, great video! As you love flight simulator as well it would be awesome to do a video when MSFS 2024 comes out as it's now multithreaded, comparing heavy core count vs X3d's CPU performance!
That's what I got the 9800X3D for as my computer is solely dedicated to this flight simulator and other flight simulators. I never work and play on the same PC.
I'm waiting to see those comparisons too, but I doubt this and other high level reviewers would do it. There's is too much variability in MSFS to make a reliable benchmark for the masses.
@@jamesm568 Same here I 90% Sim on my main rig with some production. my laptop is my daily driver
@@Nareimooncatt Yes, how great would it be to have a 7590X or 500 serires Threadripper perform better than the x3D in flight sim
@@EnzoFerrino I have a scrap computer built from retired outdated parts I use for word processing. That 3900XT does good at Microsoft word. Lol!
Man, I remember when Jay started learning how to playing Guitar, its pretty close to when Ryzen came out. No he is a pro and Ryzen is a beast, what a time to be alive!
its all coming up!! haha
Jays Law…or was it Moore’s Law where the number of songs Jay can play on the guitar doubles every couple years?
You quoted Adventures in babysitting... (Ain't nobody leave this place without singin the blues! MY 9800x3d is on its way and this made my night! Thanks Jay!
I tried getting one at micro center this morning and they were immediately sold out. They are selling them for $480 while people are selling them on Amazon for $200-$300 more.
dont worry you can still play your games with your current cpu. Your game aint going nowhere
Same thing in Europe and in Italy. A lot of cpu on eBay at 1000 euro each
Went to microcenter 20 minutes after they opened and got a chip really easily
In Europe AND Italy ?! IYO, in what continent is Italy ?
@@roumi9790it's in England
Just sold the 7800x3d for 430 and bought the 9800x3d for 530. Not bad for a update..
Used 78x3d for more than it was selling for new, not that long ago lmao.
I shouldn't have seen this comment
@WayStedYou ya i. Bought it for 340 🤣.
Where did you find the 9800? I can't find it anywhere
I msg a seller. They told me to look at the website around 3pm. So when i looked i was the first to get one. Sold out in 3 min. I live in the netherlands, but it sold out almost everywere. Now you need to wait 9 days for the next batch.
The way things are, AMD don't need to release another CPU for the next 4 years
They need a better memory controller
@@Pelicanzzz Amen to that. It's such a issue for the 9950x with 4 sticks
But i would like them to :)
@@Pelicanzzzthey have it but it's only for servers
@@Pelicanzzz
They need to ditch X86.
7800X3D - best gaming CPU
9800X3D - bestest gaming CPU 🔥
10800X3D: The best of the best of the best, Sir!
With the ram, AMD has said 6000 at 1:1 is THE sweet spot. HWUB in their testing found it to be pretty accurate.
Be nice if AMD came out and explained why this is, it's really quite bizarre to see such small gains from RAM that's literally 1/3 faster again.
@@memitim171 its the amd infinity fabric limit
@@memitim171 Yeah it's based on the I/O die on the cpu. It runs at 6000mhz and having matched RAM is the best solution they have at the moment.
They have explained it, over and over again. There is a Memory Clock and a Memory Controller Clock. The Controller has a MAX limit of 3000 (MAYBE, 3200 on some chips). This x2 is the memory speed (when at a 1:1 ratio). So 6000 or on some very good chips up to 6400.
If you set memory speed higher than that, you have to set the controller to 1/2 speed instead of a 1:1 ratio. If you set the controller to 1/2 ratio. then even at a ram speed of 8800, the RAM is running at 4400 and the controller is running at 2200. You get better performance with both running at 3000 instead. Not hard to understand. And you get teh added benefit that 6000MHZ ram is also signifcantly cheaper.
6000MT/s RAM is too slow for me. Got 6400MT/s for now and will probably move up to 8300MT/s whenever the timings get tighter.
“Nobody knows you when you’re down and out” Big Bill Broonzy! Clapton Unplugged is where I learned it. That got my sub haha
Ah, thanks, I knew I recognized it from somewhere. Big Bill is one of a kind
Stop it Intel is already dead
Nah bro... AMD has released their pent up anger pre-Ryzen days...
Dunno mate, the majority of the productivity charts were showing an Intel at the top. But hey, go take your 500 dollar CPU and the 1500 dollar GPU and play games in 1080p.
@@Sylar0n Makes me curious to see what the 9950X3D will do since that's the productivity workhorse of AMD's mainstream CPUs
you know a 9800x3d is more stable fps than a 285k even at 4k?Even lets say it is a dif only 3-4%...The 1% lows which matters so much...there is the diff@@Sylar0n
love how at 6:01 it highlights the 285k cpus at the bottom of the graph when the 9800x3d is at the top of the graph. :P
Also Can't wait to see Jay figure out the Extra Nuisances of this CPU, push the memory fabric and with faster Ram. That would be a nice video to see!
1:00 video starts here
Delete your pointless comment please
Thank you
Jay: "Playing the Blues"
Also Jay: *plays You've Got A Friend In Me*
Jay looking good lately! Hope the health issues are also revolved
I seen the guy who made the video on this overclocking. But he tweaked the curve shaper and it's crazy good!
Any chance you might include the 5800X3D for a comparison in future charts as well?
Check Linus Tech Tips review. He even shows 1440p and 4K benchmarks. Spoiler alert: There is no point to upgrade if you play on highest settings, even in 1080p.
Why bother with an obsolete CPU? It can't even stand a chance against a mildly overclocked 7500F.
At 2k and 4k its neck and neck.@juice7661
@@juice7661 Well to see if an upgrade is worth it or not? Don't underestimate how many ppl still use AM4, especially with that CPU.
@@juice7661the point is "if you're still on am4, here's the best that platform can do compared to this new cpu"
omg. Jay you are my hero for this. When you were explaining the error that would happen on the 670, this is a problem i've been trying to figure out for months. thank you.
*update - fixed it, you saved me like $400. legend
nice riffs Jay :D
13:41 Jeez a guy is having an obvious stroke and all Phil can do is keep recording.
Great into man!
Who knew Jay was such a good guitarist
Good thing my X870 Taichi board is arriving tomorrow. I'm glad these can be overclocked now, but I'm just going to leave mine at stock until I actually struggle to hit even 60fps when it's not a GPU bottleneck.
I wish you had the 5800X3d on these charts also.
Check Linus Tech Tips review. He even shows 1440p and 4K benchmarks. Spoiler alert: There is no point to upgrade if you play on highest settings, even in 1080p.
@@DanteBellin how bout coming from a 5800x non 3d at 1440p?
@@DanteBellin there are a few exceptions so its not completely useless, they shoulda showed more games. If u watch I think it was hardware unboxed 7800x3d review, woth a 4090 it shows a few games like flight sim, hogwarts legacy, n far cry n like 2 or 3 more get up to 20 fps boost at 4k, going from 58 to 78x3d
@@DanteBellin at 1440p theres a huge difference its worth it for 1440p. Wtach optimum review on it
@@Miggs12 yes at 1440p going from that cpu to the 9800x3d would be almost like upgrading to a 4090 for a quarter of the price, u will get like 50-60 fps more in most games. Check optimum review on it he did 1440p testing
The curveshaper is now actually awesome, if you know what to do.
You can lower the overall voltage, but also increase the max clock. If you don't reach the max clock due to low voltage, you can tune the higher end of the curve to give more voltage on high clocks, but keep the lower voltage at low clocks.
I wonder how well the cpu is selling in other areas. The 9800x3d is already sold out at my nearest Micro Center in Yonkers.
It was sold out in 3 minutes at Alza (basically czech amazon) in Prague.
Europe almost everywhere allready sold out, got one for 569 euro's
germany started the sale at 15:00 and sold out ~15:10. got mine for 529€ :>
Australia sold out within 25mins, so happy I stayed up to 1AM to order it
Chicago sold out, Westmont had 14 45min before close after I snagged one.
I'm really interested in what the 9950X3D will offer. Here's to hoping we hear something before CES.
The 9800x3d sold out online in like ten minutes. Who got one
I did, got lucky on Amazon and this will be my first AMD build since the early 2000’s.
Newegg claimed sales start at 8 my time. Got up at 7, tried adding to cart at 7:40 and it let me, so I smashed the checkout button.
I also got one. It will be part of a full upgrade. My 2700X is due a retirement.
@@_kaernunnos yeah they lied they were sold out at 8 I was pissed
@@_kaernunnos Same. They went on sale like 30-40 mins before they said they would lol
@ 13:40 Goat language! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
How much of a monster do you think the 9900x3d and 9950x3d chips will be if they put a 3d v-cache on both ccd's and unlock them? We can only hope.
I’m betting that they’ll still just put the 3D vcache on only one CCD.
@ceuser3555 Probably, but we can dream.
@@The_Dreadbug i hear you.
i'm waiting for 9950x3d to see what its like i like the extra head room of the cores for multitasking and it not eating into games i'm on 7950x3d and i just like the extra cores
scalpers already took over online retailers sadly and reselling it from 800-1000 USD. guess i'll wait a few months for it to normalize price wise.
It wont normalize. The 7800X3Ds arent going down in price any, so why would the 9800X3D? Theyll have to flood the market with more of them, and even then I have a feeling the prices wont even out, maybe in like a year or two, and by then itll be the 10900X3Ds that everyone wants.
@@CommissariatGames7800x3d did go down in price though,it's only recently it went back up with reduced stock. Early this year they went down to £300-350
Scalpers just mean I wait to be generation behind for sure. Most important is to not reward the scalpers. Previous gen is stable and much better value for money.
This shows that when new GPUs come out the gains will just increase over time at 1440p and 4k. This cpu will be good for the next 10 years lol
By the time gpus get good enough . There will be bigger better CPUs out 😂 .
@ True! But if you buy this now you won’t need to upgrade for 10 years maybe. That’s what I meant.
I got one and I won’t oc, it’s my precious
Jay, your wish might be coming true. It's my wish also. We all know how the rumors fly in the tech world, but heard there should be substantial gains in the 12 and 16 core Ryzen CPUs soon. Gains that make the 9800X3D improvements over the 7800X3D pale in comparison. There was no when or how, but maybe 3D V-Cache for both CCDs? Or at least a way for both CCDs to access the same 3D V-Cache? Maybe that's a reason why the 8 core X3D part was released before the 12 and 16 core parts this time around? Working out bugs or possibly waiting for next generation, DAMMMIT I love and hate rumors. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Exactly if why buy a chip with 2 CCDs when you park the cores that do not access 3D V-Cache. You are literally getting half of the value you paid for these chips. I haven't heard anything about the latest Intel running into issue where motherboard settings are degrading the CPU of the 285 chip. I am sure it is to early for any side effects like we have seen with 13900 and 14900 chip to come to light yet, but I still kind of expected it to happen.
1:20 is happening to me too. Im unable to restart my PC without shutting it off and turning it on, restart gets stuck. After doing a research it seems its an issue with the RAM training... x670E Tomahawk with the latest BIOS. Never had this issue before...
I had that issue with my 3700x at the end of the day I had to move to a newer motherboard
@JayzTwoCents you're looking better good to see you on the mend.
>opens PC benchmarking video.
>starts with man playing guitar.
Oh yeah this will be a banger.
Can't wait 9950X3D benchmarks ! 😀 Even if I have a 7950X3D and I dont want to change my CPU soon, it would be awesome to see how the 3DV cache technology can change perfs on 16 cores CPUs
do you think they tested the 7950x3D with all 16 cores enabled here? i thought the 7950x3D should be as fast as the 7800x3D when the 8 cores without 3D cache are disabled.
@@moepossum IDK, my firsts Benchmark sources are GN and HUB. I don't follow Jays that much for this kind of content.
Now if only they weren't out of stock 😢
I snagged one off Newegg. They went live about 1/2 hour before the site said they would. Just happened to load it up and bought one lol
They create scarcity on purpose to drive prices high and circumvent the Black Friday offers in order to maximize profits. Right now 9800x3D is an elitist product that honestly is quite lackluster (essentially little more than an unlocked cache swapped 7800x3D) but gets glazed because it's a damn duopoly. I was ready to build a new X870E PC and I kinda don't want to anymore. I have the money, worked hard to earn it by the way. All this to spend 600€ for what? One specimen of the mighty 9800 "A jump nonetheless" x3D?
One of the last things I tolerate is to be treated like a switch they can control, especially when it comes to money. F*** AMD.
@@DylanBlanko ... are you ok? do you need some help friend?
@@DylanBlankoPlease take your meds.. Or buy intel. 😂
@@DylanBlanko that’s quite a long winded way to say you’re angry it’s already sold out.
Glad the iron treatment is working! Looking great this video!
I've been waiting for someone to overclock and 9800x3d thank you
derbaur has already delided and overclocked one
5800x3d user here. Hated they locked out OC completely, but PBOTuner exists and it's nuts how good those chips undervolt
At 5:58, it highlights the wrong CPU scores.
It's highlighting the Intel 285K instead of the 9800X3D
Just fyi.
Intel 285 has the wrong scores in general
Great breakdown. As always your information is easy to understand. Keep up the good work.
I see a bunch of old overclockers down here "back in my day, 60% performance increase was the norm."
I built a PC in 2017 and got the Ryzen 1700. That thing had no worries whatsoever about a +600MHz overclock, just straight up. I probably could have pushed it a lot further still, but I was quite content with that. It basically made it equal to, if not surpassing, the higher clocked SKUs for free.
It's so nice seeing AMD still promoting and supporting overclocking like that. My very first overclocking experience was back in the Duron days, where the physical bridges that unlocked multiples were cut, but you could fill them in with a simple pencil, again turning a mid-tier CPU into a higher-tier one with zero downsides or issues.
Back when a CPU cooler was a 40mm wide chunk of aluminum, and blowing a fan on it gave you 50% extra OC headroom, heh~😅
@@Endemoniada I know it man, mines a 2015 build with a 3770k :D
Love the guitar intro!
People said the 9800 X3D would not sell very well, but it sold out five minutes after going on sale in Australia.
I was one of the lucky few that got one this morning on Newegg in the US. They were sold out in like ~3 minutes.
@@Ice-00099 Australia must have had a midnight launch, I woke up at 3 am and put my order in for are 9800 X3D but I think I missed out :( Dame you sleep I should have stayed up lol.
Mindfactory in germany also had 2 huge boxes full of 9800X3Ds, sold withing one hour...
@@silvinjo654 let's hope the shops get more stock in sooner rather than later
I believe he was playing “no one knows you when you are down and out” original by Bessie Smith
Scrapper blackwell popularized it, artists like clapton have covered it… amazing blues standard
I love playing this tune also.
Great taste there!
I don’t feel like it’s that “people don’t get that”, but that they want to know how the cpu would affect them in a real world scenario in their rig if they went out and bought it 7:04
But they won’t get that info with a GPU-bottlenecked benchmark 🤦🏼♂️ Could people understand this once and for all please?
If the benchmark is GPU-bottlenecked (which many are at 4K, even with a 4090), it is as useful as showing “Hey, here are some random results from many benchmark runs where absolutely nothing changes. Enjoy!”
“Okay, but in the real world I don’t have a 4090 playing Valorant at 1080p. What use are the CPU benchmarks for me”: 1), they’ll show you the max gain you’ll be able to get from changing the CPU alone. You can then calculate yourself how that percentage will affect your particular system (which no benchmark would be able to say precisely for everyone); and that leads me to the most important point: 2) it shows you how future proof the CPU is - ie. the maximum FPS you’ll ever be able to get in the game independently of the rest of your system. You may upgrade to an RTX 6090 with 1TB VRAM and a 2000hz monitor, but that won’t mean anything if your 7800X3D can only deliver 140fps. Your FPS will never be higher than that.
@@andre_ss6there's many games that this is completely right but sim games and other CPU intensive games would be nice to see. Quite a few sim racing games are still quite CPU bound even triple 1440p monitors. It's difficult to know exactly how much they are CPU bound as not many reviewers actually benchmark these more niche games, which is understandable
Thank you for your continued efforts Jay and I am happy to see that you look better. The 9800X3D is my future CPU!
To my friend who will also watch this, please get this cpu id love to go through the build with you ;) you know who you are
Sorry, I'm a bit short on cash right now. Why don't you just come over? We don't need a new CPU to have fun together ;)
Jay, please make a full video for that song, it's awesome!
Oh great, gotta buy $250+ X870 mobos now. By the way, tell Microcenter to ship damn it. I got an itch to build after a loooong time but they no shippy anything. I dont want to support that egg place and MC has the best deals hands down. I probably wouldve called it Christmas this morning if they'd just ship stuff. 14 hours of driving just ain't worth it to me.
They need to stop hating on the northeast! There's like 5 of them in the NYC region (and Long Island) but NONE in upstate NY or New England (except the ONE in Boston). Me mad!!one
@mnemonik61 same for the phoenix az area! The closest to me is the store Jay goes to in Southern California. He'll we have old frys electronics stores that they could use
Unfortunately, if Microcenter started shipping it would ruin what makes them good, and they would open themselves up to bots and scalpers. My local Microcenter in Minnesota had like 100+ 9800x3ds available today, and as I write this they have literally one left past 3:00 PM. I think they sold out in a second on Best Buy and Amazon.
@@mnemonik61imagine how we feel over in Europe, microcentere looks absolutely amazing with everything they stock, over here we have nothing like that.
great video and well done AMD, looks like everyones xmas present sorted either the 9800X3D or the 7800X3D when it drops a bit in price
$480 once the tariffs hit? Not gonna happen. More like $800 with the proposed 60%, so get 'em now while they're relatively cheap.
Republicans ruin everything
Except they sold out right away. Checked NewEgg and less than 3 hours after launch they were already sold out.
@@michaeltorrisi7289Keep an eye on Best Buy, I was able to order one through them an hour ago.
@@michaeltorrisi7289 True, and within 15 minutes even. My comment was more for when they are restocked, which ofc they will be.
Got mine
@JaysTwoCents I don't know if you've had the opportunity yet to play with the new Crucial Pro DDR5. Reason I bring this is up is because I've had nothing but issues with boots running EXPO on any "approved" RAM for x670e. I ended up with this kit from Crucial, CP2K16G64C38U5B , has since fixed ALL of my issues with no boot and random crashes and runs EXPO flawlessly. P.S. I commented it on your last twitch stream and got in trouble about it. Sorry about that.... Was just trying to share the good news!
WOW can't wait to play cyberpunk at 1080p.
Enjoy your copium.
4090 get CPU bottlenecked even at 1440p in many games ( with dlss )
1440p cyberpunk with quality dlss is basically 1080p
But looks like native 1440p... So win win :P @@merlin6819
I still think it can be useful for people to see 1440p or 4k benchmarks because it can show people they don't need to upgrade their CPU for a while if they game at higher resolutions.
they will buy it and find out that nothing is much different let them 😆 they can always return it
Demonetised for crimes against music... lol
0:11 Why does that sound familiar? Someone tell me if its a song or something or a common chord progression?
It's almost a common blues turnaround. To switch between a chord and another sometimes you make a chromatic movement with the bass note of the chord to the next chord, which is what you hear just right there.
It’s nobody knows you when you’re down and out
Gives me Clapton vibe. Maybe down and out live?
"I dont want to set the world on fire"
Song from fallout for most ? By the inkspots
Jay knows gaming computers... and spent way more than 2 cents on that Martin!! love the sound on a Martin!
This is why I moved to an x870e board from the x670e Meg Ace
I grabbed a 9800X3d, and I'm also moving off the x670e for x870e too, I don't trust it.
@@Vialabo why?
@@stefanos8156 because they have extra cash laying around
@@stefanos8156 They have schizophrenia. There's not any reason to switch. My x3d cpu has a crack in it and the tip of a pin on my motherboard is loose, but I moved it back. I didn't finish my build but I guess I'll just get a 50 series gpu and find out. It boots fine.
@@dolpoof2335 Ok, well my asus board fried my 7950X. That driver fiasco hit me and killed my cpu with voltage. I have a b650 right now, I want to overclock the 9800x3d because it actually works and I'll get a quality board to do it. I've been overclocking since I was 10 with a Pentium 4.
Ayy made some darn good improvement with your guitarr!!
Doesn't even show 1440p numbers... 1080p is not reality... Everyone is running higher now
^ This.
Lol because a 5 percent gain over a 13th gen i5 isn't exciting!
I keep seeing this in cpu reviews lately. I guess reviewers don't really explain it anymore. The review is for the cpu, so the goal is to make the cpu the bottleneck, not the gpu. At 1080p, it's about how well the cpu can keep up with the 4090. Put it at 1440p or 4k and (in some games) 4090 will peak and the cpu is going to end up doing less work. You see this here when jay switches to 4k (cpu power draw goes down), or at gn when they have a 1440p table and all the top cpu's cluster around the same fps. That's because the bottleneck switches to the gpu, obscuring cpu performance.
Zen 5 has easy all core OC. My 9700x is currently running 5.5ghz. I use 5.4ghz all day because it requires so much less voltage at 1.225v set and it droops to 1.19-1.2v with mode 4 LLC on my Strix B650E-E and peaks 140w. I couldn't get 5.4 all core to be stable with PBO, but manual OC was a cake walk and I could easily push it passed where PBO could do. Maybe milage varies, but manual OC is worth it I would say.
Make sure if you OC Zen to disable core performance boost( boost algorithm) global C-State control and PSS support. PSS and C-State control are power management features which can sometimes make a manual OC unstable for no other reason than they are enabled.
Just ordered one of these cant wait to put the built together :)
W Guitar playing Jay!!!
You sound great Jay keep it up man!
Thanks for the great video!
I have a idea/request for a video.
With there being more cases that support upright mounting of GPUs, could You test if there is a difference of using a GPU with and without a vapor chamber in a upright orientation (like in the Thermaltake Tower cases).
I have heard the the vapor chamber might not work correctly and the temps would be a lot higher, but it is hard to find confirmation.
Would be great help for deciding on the GPU for a upright mounted build.
Little Eric Clapton version of "Down and Out"...Great song...nice picking Jay.
This is incredible. Not only arguably the best chip on the market right now, but still has room to bump it up later down the road when it starts to struggle. I'm going to hold out until the 9900x3d and see if the rumors about both chiplets getting 3d v-cache is true, but if not, I think this is going to be my cpu of choice.
Jay,
As an iRacer I really would love for you to do some evaluations of these chips as it relates to sim racing.
triple 1080p and triple 1440p test results vs some older CPU as well (cough 5900x)
I am currently torn as I want to do an upgrade and the 9800X3D looks great, BUT sim racing requirements are different and I feel like the 9900X3D or even the 9950X3D would be better for that use case.
Look for odyssey benchmarks on TH-cam. He does a few benchmarks with Iracing specifically. He doesn't have too many CPUs unlike these bigger TH-cam channels but it's the best we have.
He hasn't released anything for the 9800x3d but Iracing does show a decent difference between CPUs even with triple 1440p screens. I'd love to see other triple screen sim games.
managed to snag one last night and shipped today upgrading from a 5600x am4 to 9800x3d am5 very exiteced to see the gains
Manual overclocking is where it's at for the 9800X3D, a very simple 56X multiplier with a simple +100m VC voltage, and its easy 5.6Ghz all core, and if you got a motherboard with an EBCLK generator like the X870E Taichi, you can make even minor adjustments with your BCLK speed like 105mhz @ 56x could get you very close to 5.9Ghz.
I got a ebclk went for the lowest possible multiple and my computer eventually blue screens I was sad.
@smoofwah3552 just keep upping the voltage by like 25mv, until it's stable, if you have sufficient cooling, even at 1.4v it shouldn't get over 75 degrees on full load
I am glad they re-engineered the chip. Now to see if 9900X3D and 9950X3D show same improvement and more when compared the 79x0X3d chips in the future.
New Ryzens are pretty happy with overclocking. Did the same with my 9950X, +200MHz, CCD0 negative 15 and CCD1 negative 10 offsets. Boosted to over 6,01GHz and even the "bad" CCD boosted to 5,81.👍
I'll be interested to see what the architecture is like on the 9950X3D. If it's like the speculation is expecting with a V-Cache layer under each CCD, and 196 MB cache.. Assuming that solves some of its scheduling issues, it should be a veritable monster compared to the 7950X3D.
This new architecture layout is one of the reason why I'm finally considering AMD over Intel, now that overclocking/tuning is on the table. I'll be curious to see when we'll see CU-DIMMS available for AMD, or maybe even CAMM2. Hopefully CES 2025 churns out some good products. I plan on finishing out my new build for my overhaul shortly after CES.
I am betting it will still suffer the dual ccd penalty with only one ccd having the 3D vcache. I’m skipping Zen 5. I’ll see if Zen 6 can make a significant improvement.
In my situation I don't really have a choice of waiting. I'm going from laptop 9700k back to a desktop setup. So I'm building a whole new system from scratch for 4k gaming.
After CES and the reviews are all available, I'll just have to make the best choice of CPU then. I'll be pairing it with a RTX 5090 for 4k gaming, so if need be I can slack a bit on CPU choice. But I'll just have to wait and see. If they can sort out the scheduling issues on the 9950X3D vs the 7950X3D, then it should technically be able to dominate in theory.
Most of us do get why the main test should always be 1080p and 4090, however several modern games are more CPU intensive. Games like Jedi Survivor/Hogworts can already have CPU bottlenecks at 1440p - to the point that I actually turn up Graphic seetings to increase framerate. As this resolution is most common now for high end cards it is nice to see what changes in that senario. 4k is current less affected although still can be, but is more about the 1% lows and stutters at this point.
Wish you'd test games that are actually in need of better cpu performance. Dragons dogma 2, space marine 2, baldurs gate 3. Hell the original kingdom come deliverence is INCREDIBLY cpu bound even today
GIGABYTE X3D Turbo Mode is a cutting-edge feature that unifies cores distribution, bandwidth tuning, and hardware power balancing, resulting in pushing the boundaries of gaming performance. Bios update on gigabyte motherboard certain boards
thank you, pretty excited to mess around with ocing it