Alcohol stove basics, TRANGIA - what is an alcohol stove & WHAT CAN GO WRONG!
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- In this video I go over what an Alcohol stove is and how they work. using the Trangia stove . Some tips and tricks for a good burn and some example of what NOT to do with an alcohol stove , please DO NOT watch this and try the Don’ts things for yourself. fire kills Iv done them so you don’t have to. #trangia
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While thru-hiking the Appalachian Trail, there was a particularly nasty Arctic front that pushed down from Canada. Three other hikers at my campsite, all had JetBoils stoves that seized up because condensation froze in the fuel line. I used up all of my alcohol making hot water for their dinners, breakfasts, and coffee on my always reliable Trangia.
nice. Though why didn't those people just cook over a fire? Seems weird to have asked you to use your fuel up and have to wait to do one pot at a time. The main reason I use a stove is for when wood fires aren't allowed in summer.
@@christopherrowley7506 Good question. In the AT thru-hiker season, you'd be astonished how little available firewood you'll find near the three-sided shelters and water supplys. The forest can quickly get picked clean. You'd think a landscaper was called to "clean up the backyard." That, coupled with exhaustion from hiking miles of significant ups and downs, a need to prep for sleep, adding layers, etc, makes fire building a real challenge.
@@christopherrowley7506 Good question. In the AT thru-hiker season, you'd be astonished how little available firewood you'll find near the three-sided shelters and water supplys. The forest can quickly get picked clean. You'd think a landscaper was called to "clean up the backyard." That, coupled with exhaustion from hiking miles of significant ups and downs, a need to prep for sleep, adding layers, etc, makes fire building a real challenge.
My last early spring trip was saved by my Fancee feast alcohol stove. I had a Jet boil Mighty mo that wouldn’t work even though I slept with the canister. I made a diy version of the Caldera cone. Very worthwhile. I like the Trangia but this is much lighter.
Could you warm up their jetboils to break the ice loose?
I've used Denatured Alcohol in my Trangia stove since I bought it back in the early 80's, easy to find and burns clean.
If it works it work 👍🏻👌
Damn, this is THE video I have been looking for! Should have been done by Trangia themselves but you did what they should have done!
Safety educational videos are the best ones! Thank you for that!
Was done tong in cheek but with some honest points . That’s for your comment
In the 80s I carried my Coleman Peak 1 multi stove on a 2 week hike on the Long Trail in VT. I had about 2 pints of Coleman fuel with me. Many nights I would get comments about why I carry the weight. My answer was I'll never have issue like I have witnessed with the little canister stoves at the time.
Long story short, guess who have the ability to cook or bottle water while a bunch of us were cooped up at Taylor lodge on Mt Mansfield. As their fuel ran out, I boiled water for those who apologized for their comments. It was a long walk back to the valley for them to get new canisters.
My response to those who comment on the 'extra weight' that I am carrying (whatever it may be) is, "I'm carrying it".
Agree .. rather too much fuel than too little. I have a special soft spot for 'White Gas Stoves' .. mine being an Optimus 8R Hunter which I bought new in the early 80's and still use regularly.
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This is so nice camp gear video
Awesome!!
Thank you so much for sharing!!
Have a nice day my friend!!
Good vid and very well made and to most people they'll understand not to fill the burner when lit, some will take this as the way it's done
You can put about 1/2 ounce of alcohol in the Solo Stove Lite's ash pan and use it as a alcohol stove without the Trangia. Probably not recommended by the manufacture ( Solo Stove ) but I have done it with mine. The Trangia ( I have several ) has a competitor today. It's the Goshawk Siphon Alcohol Stove , Steampunk EDDY-X. from Australia. Same size and weight as the Trangia but with a different burning system. It blooms in 12 to15 seconds depending on the type of alcohol used. I would love to see them make one in Titanium. Alcohol and a wood burning combination is my choice in backpacking stoves. I like the combination of the Firebox Nano Gen 2 titanium and a alcohol stove.
Iv done it before on the solo stove works well , and that cat litter trick keep getting comments about the goshawk it hard to get in the Uk 🇬🇧
Exactly what i was looking for. Thanks for the video!
Glad I could help!
Nice summary, chap! I love to see super low fat explanations like these. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the kind comment hope to be able to make new content soon
Nice video. Alternative fuel sources for countries/places where bio-ethanol fuel or meths is hard to find. I live in China at the moment. I go to the pharmacy and buy medical alcohol. I cannot always get 95% abv (rubbing alcohol) but 75% abv (sanitizer grade) can be found in every pharmacy (Covid era) and will work with the Trangia just fine. In fact it burns a bit cooler/slower which is great for not burning food. On a side note, my other cheap alcohol stove will not burn on 75% abv.
Thanks for the comment mark, intesting to know , hand sanitizer is just medical fire lighter lol
Would white spirit work and be safe?
@@GameThruz White spirits is solvent like thinner. Treat it as such just like the video. White gas is a petroleum product, effectively gasoline with no additives burns faster and hotter than kerosene. Consider it more dangerous than the kerosene in the video.
Automotive dept a product called heet
@@scottcatchot1598 Yep. Get the yellow bottle.
Great video! Perfect information presented in an outstanding way.
Thank you 🙏
Wow I was just checking what kind of alcohol u should be using, thank you for the information 💙
VERY nice demo....thank you for showing and promoting such a durable and reliable piece of kit. Stay well, stay safe, Helen with Kat and Terri with Robyn.
We like your relaxed experiments
Great video! Thank you sir!
Brilliant 👏 just got one did know most but still entertaining
And I was just about to ask you if the Trangia fit the evernew stove kit.
Great video! Made my morning
😜 thanks
Good Video Alcohol Stove for Beginner.
I was thinking of buying a windscreen for my alcohol stove and this video reminded me that I already have a wood camping stove that would serve perfectly
You don't need a windscreen. Place the holes against the wind. That's what they are for.
Add a wicking material like plumber's welding cloth to absorb the fuel so it doesn't spill out if tilted over & a faster bloom time, I use it in most of my alky stove er I mean burners
Carbon felt will also work. Cut little circles of the felt and stack them in the can to fit down in the stove, then there's no spill. I think it's probably more expensive though than the plumbers welding cloth.
👍👍👍 I've done similar to my Trangia. Fairly loosely packed Ceramic Wool in the bottom, topped with a tight roll of Carbon Cloth. The best and I'll never go back.
Most of my other Alcohol Burners are filled with Ceramic Wool except for my ''White Box' Stove and two 'Fancy Feast' Burners .. although I am mulling over giving them a Wicking Material tryout ..
@@jude7321
Chaffing gel wick is free! Once you used up the contents or find them laying around at an area where they had a cook out (parks, friends...etc!?)
A good tip I saw recently was put a small magnet on the simmer ring so it's easier to put on and off.
Iv never had a problem snuffing , would get fed up of the magnet grabbin stuff , and I think if it was left on simmer it’s might demagnetise with the heat , but each to there own if it works 👍🏻
Magnets lose their strength in high temperature.
The pan handle on the Trangia cook sets can be used to grip and lift the simmer ring on or off the burner.
I have a Trangia and use it in conjunction with a U.S. GI canteen cup and stove. This works well and is compact. I fuel mine with HEET, automotive gas line antifreeze. It's methanol and burns very cleanly and leave no soot.
Only use HEET in the Yellow bottle. HEET also comes in a Red bottle but the Yellow is preferred.
Great video mate. I used mine today for the first time on a trail (worked great for preparing a cup of tea), and was wondering what would happen when using inappropriate fuels.
Good stuff!
Hit the like and subscribe button as soon as it popped up. Great video, thanks for sharing
Thank you . Make some new stuff soon if I ever get some time !! 😂
Great Video, thanks, I have one but not used it yet, that Hacienda is available in B&Q, no issues, but Gooutdoors sell Firedragon liquid biofuel gel, would that work? the only other question how many m/l to put in?
Yes I got the ethanol from B&Q , fire dragon gel if more for the solid fuel stoves like esbit or hexamine stoves ! Stick with Methylated spirits or bioethanol ethanol. Can say how much you should add just don’t overfill , and try it out 30ml 60ml will boil most things depending on wind and temp
Handy really. Easy for storage. Lightweight and inexpensive.
Great video... cheers
Thanks you
Great video mate, new sub!! 👍🏼🛶🔥
Thanks more content soon I hope
Can you help, the last time I used a trangia the snuff lid couldn't put it out, flames where shooting out everywhere, by the time it burned out it had partially melted the snuff lid ,the fuel was bioethanol and was using the trangia triangle
You forgot one important don't! Don't use the cap as a snuffer-- it will damage the o-ring!
Where did you get the cool spout/valve for your fuel canister?
Trangia sell them on the fuel bottles they do diffrent sizes and can be found online . And they do a green one but it’s like rocking horse poo to find
I was wondering why your video was sporting such an amazing light and contrast. Well I didn't notice it was HDR, I've got a new computer and it's the first time I see it! Immensely good contrast, I don't know what gear you used but it's like watching a movie. And the video was informative too, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed . And it’s filmed on iPhone 12 promax in 4K
Roll up carbon felt and put it inside, then use ethanol as your fuel. The carbon felt soaks up the fuel making it virtually un-spillable in your pack, knock it over and it wont set the whole place on fire (no liquid to spill), and methanol is much cleaner burning than kero or other fuels as there's virtually no carbon. Just don't over fill it to the point you over saturate the felt and have liquid sitting on top!
The best (and the video)
Thanks
Do you know offhand if there's any aluminum inside the bottle or the spring mechanism inside the valve?
I ask because I'd like to put bioethanol inside the Trangia fuel bottle, but bioethanol dissolves aluminum. Or so I heard?
I don’t but I have gone from BIO E back to meths !
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 what were the top factors in making that decision to go back to methylated spirits?
Cost
There is a small metal plate inside the spring loaded spout but I'm pretty sure it's not aluminum.
just got one , first vid
Asd some salt to the stove to make the flame more visible. If ypu can buy some butanol ot shoild last longer than ethanol based fuels. Thanks for the video.
Awesome. An Englishman who talks sense (Y) I have subscribed to you also. (Y)
Don’t Englishman talk sense ???
Question about the internal workings, I note the ring of holes which is linked to a space separated from where the main reservoir of liquid is stored. How do the holes work given there is a barrier between them and the liquid?
It’s double walled inside but has gaps around the inner bottom and draws it up and it turns to vapour and burn out the holes . Much like a candle 🕯 or an oil lap . Simple but very clever . Not just a pot of burning fuel
It’s double walled inside but has gaps around the inner bottom and draws it up and it turns to vapour and burn out the holes . Much like a candle 🕯 or an oil lap . Simple but very clever . Not just a pot of burning fuel
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Thank you for clear explanation. Makes total sense now. I didn't realise there were gaps.
Inside the closed reservoir are a cloth (linen) wick around the inner side of the wall., this wick provide capillarity for the alcohol goes up, vaporizing in contact with the wall - heated by the initial fire in the middle hole and provide gas for the jet holes "bloom", after the lack of oxygen in the middle extinguisses the fire in the center hole.
Please may I ask your thoughts on...
Hexeal IPA 99.9% | 1L | Lab Grade | Isopropyl Alcohol/Isopropanol 99.9%...?
Would you recommend it as safe to use? Or is 99.9% too high a proof?
Many thanks for such a useful video in the current climate. 🙏
ISO will work bright and yellow flame so drop the gap to the pot to reduce black build up and keep flame blue .
Can you use surgical spirit in the Trangia stove?
If it burns you can use anything it’s just a pot full of fuel . But I would have a check online if their is any issues with burning SS
Also: Will it work in cold conditions, can it be lit with a firesteel, does it work at altitude, is fuel cheap (/easy to come by), are fumes toxic.. is it safe for beginners (maybe not , ;-) )
That’s the intermediate user guide you might want to watch out for 😜
Cold just fine, up to a point and you're probably not going to camp at -30c. Altitude affects the burn for sure. Still, brilliant simple and inexpensive. Also, the fuel is available everywhere there is a gas station as methanol de icing additive is almost as common as motor oil.
@@whirving I'm a convert, the points I made I would concider adavantages of the Trangia, compared to... Although having said that there are places in the world where it wasn't my stove of choice, mainly Central Asia, as burning alcohol is non existent & the high mountains in the Andes, Himalaya & Karakoram.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes .. but not anything to concern oneself in well-ventilated areas. Yes.
@@whirving A cycling couple show in a video a knock-off of Trangia being used near Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia (3.600 meters altitude), in a -30ºC night. In fact the stove was crucial for they survive that night.
Have you ever put ceramic sponge in there in case of spillages?
Some homemade stoves Iv used fire rope and rock wool
Can you use white spirit in it?
If by white spirit you mean white "gas"...the answer is no. Alcohol based fuels only.
Yes, I agree, knocking it over does not look like a good idea.
Uh, you need to be a bit careful regarding meths/methylated spirit/denatured alcohol: some varieties can leave a lot of black “stuff” on your pots that is really *hard* to get off!
Learned this the hard way running the “incendiary Swedish doorknob.” Otherwise, it *IS* a nice little stove.
Ethanol and Methanol burn cleanly. Isopropanol burns very sooty.
Note: you might also see the names as: ethyl alcohol, methyl alcohol, or isopropyl alocohol, respectively. They are the same exact chemicals as the ones above, just different naming conventions.
I’m not wanting to add tons of fuel to my preps. Can something like this use gasoline and what would be the reactions?
It shows it in the video !
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yeah, I saw that after I commented. Good video. As I said, I don’t want to store alcohol to burn if I can help it. Oh well.
@@mro2352 buy a multi
Fuel burner , I don’t find having a small bottle of alcohol/methylated spirit a problem
@@mro2352 Time to get yourself a still and learn to make your own ethanol. In most states in the US you can easily and cheaply get an "Alcohol Fuel Producer Permit". And most places you can legally buy and own a still without any permit, what you do at that point is up to you.
@@christopherrowley7506 I’ll look into it, thanks. Being able to make my own fuel in the city is a good thing as far as I’m concerned.
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Thanks
Hi
Did you say it was okay to use kerosene or not? I wasn't sure. I have two of these alcohol burners but have never used anything except denatured alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. It would be great if I could use kerosene. And a lot cheaper.
Thanks for a cool and funny video
God bless
Jude, from Kentucky ✝️🐴🐦🌿❣️
Question: what was that can with the red top you were pumping, to put the alcohol in?
I need one of those.
The can with the red top is a trangia fuel bottle. There are 4 versions of these that I'm aware of. One made of aluminum and the other three are plastic, most likely a tough plastic. Amazon has them.
The manual in mine said explicitly that kerosine should not be used.
Alcohol based fuels only. White gas, kerosene etc are a big "nope".
How did water put out a liquid fire?! I was expecting the fire to spread
Water on oil fires I think your thinking about
I stood on my cheap £5 aluminium trangia knockoff... My 14 stone heft flattened it... So. I beat it and formed it into a snuffer for my new £5 not-Trangia.
I prefer my 40 year old steel Paco 'Trangia' or the Titanium Lixada Syphon stoves
One thing you didn’t say is how long it burns for?
Mileage may very depending on ambient conditions but: One filling of 100 ml fuel (2/3 of its maximum volume) will burn for approx. 25 min. It'll boil 1 Litre of water in about 10 min (Of course this varies according to weather and quality of fuel).
I laughed when I heard the open comments about 20 year olds and thought, well there goes some viewers with hurt feelings, lol😁
Perhaps but it’s true have you seen the the usb powered wood stove 🤯lol
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yes, I've seen it, lol😁
So you can burn 190 Everclear inside a home, but what else? 151 will not work in my Swedish Trangia
Sorry I don’t know what 190 is or 151
Save the 151 Rum for a Zombie.
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Proofs of alcohol [US]. 190 proof is 95% ABV, 151 Proof is 75.5 % ABV. Bacardi used to sell a 151 Rum, useful in high test Tiki drinks.
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How to fill a trangia burner!🤣 never tilt the burner while lighting 🤣🤣🤣
You found the Easter egg
“Anyone around 20 years old will be looking for where you put the power lead” says the man with a barcode tattoo🙄
Anyone under 20 will be looking for a power lead, hahahahha. So true,
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Bumper is too loud, it's out of your audio chain.
If you're that incompetent you shouldn't be allowed to have matches or a lighter in the first place,!
To dangerous to use in hot seasons when every thing outdoors is dry.
Ok I’m the Uk so long as your sensible
No .. it can be used when it is hot and dry outside .. together with Common Sense.
@@thomasmusso1147 You are right about that, but commun sense is unfortunately a rare thing. To many greenhorns and amateurs outdoors actually...
@@Wastelander13 yep that's the real issue. I pretty much grew up in the outdoors, was in the boyscouts etc. There were rarely fire restrictions when I was growing up in the 90s and we did fine. But outdoors activities have gotten really trendy in the past decade so a lot more city people have been getting out and hiking and camping that don't know basic fire safety principles. I bet if you asked your average instagram-spot-seeking camper "what's pine duff, should you make a fire on it?", or "what wood sparks less: aspen or spruce?" they'd have no idea.
Also if you take a look at a research article called "Human-started wildfires expand the fire niche across the United States" available for free online, they have a map of the United States showing where human started fires share more of a portion of the total fires of that area. It is of zero surprise to me that California is all red, while Utah, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico are all blue.
How bout gasoline?
That’s petroleum based so burns yellow and black smoke !
No, this is an alcohol burner.