The End of Pokemon GO
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I've never been a fan of the Raid System.
Go figure the one thing they do right with it, is the one thing they are trying to remove.
It's not remove they want more people outside to raid which isn't possible
@@markrinaldi8485 in my town there are maximum of 1/2 players in A raid that is not enough to get A legendary ….
hehe “go” figure😂
@@nabuko4344 yeah same except im in a village and although there used to be quite a bit of people playing, only around 2-3 people are playing right now and theres only 4 gyms which is nowhere near enough to get a legendary.
neither am i . anything above tier 1 raids is just impossible. fucked difficulty system
I feel like if Niantic wants to be rid of Pokémon GO, just sell the damn thing. They don't have to turn it into trash. Think about it - if Niantic forces people to stop playing Pokémon GO and switch to Peridot, what reason do we have to invest in Peridot? I would definitely play both games, but if they are trying to burn Pokémon GO to the ground, they will likely ruin their name and could very well ruin their business. I wouldn't want to play another game they created because they purposely sabotaged another amazing game that I really truly enjoyed.
Im not a lawyer or anything but I imagine theres a lot of contracts involved between niantic and pokemon binding the two 🤔. Which sucks cuz theres prob an insane amount of people that would kill to make pokemon go. Also I agree 100%, burning down ur most popular product doesn’t paint a good picture of your other products.
I mean, every other project they have made aside from ingress has died. They are here for money and absolutely obscene amounts of data, as is shown by all of their games.
bruh aint nobody care about peridot i do this for shiny hunting
Trust me, u dont want Peridot. At least not in the state its been in for a few months during the beta. And its launching in this state on May 9th.
They’re releasing Monster Hunter Now in a few months. I’m more into MH than Pokemon, but because it’s being released by Niantic, I’m extremely worried.
You know it’s bad when a group all says no to two wenesday raids in a row
Bc the raids sucked hahaha
Depends if it is dex fillers like all Tapu’s or if it is a good legendary. I would not waste a raid pass on the dex fillers snd do not give a shit about shiny. The remote system have trashed my community and personally I hare the remotes.
2 weeks 😂 I'm on 6 months. Niantic can smd
As someone with debilitating chronic health issues, remote raid passes were a godsend. Even though the pandemic is over, I don’t always have the energy to go out and play this game, and I currently live in a pretty rural area. The removal of remote raid passes and the introduction of elite raids are choices that really hurt. It’s essentially like being told, “you’re sick, so you don’t deserve to have the same experience as others.”
Interestingly, I know a good amount of people with disabilities who play the game. I wish there was some better way to serve the community that also fits with Niantic’s ideals. Seeing them get together with everyone on community day is lovely, but I wish there was more for them to do than just wait for an occasional Pokémon to pop up since they are sitting still.
Remote raid passes aren’t gone they just cost more now.
I really don't mean to be rude, but why would you pick up a game called pokemon go if you are disabled. Seems like bad planning.
@@fozy2349 I like Pokémon like everyone else. I never asked to deal with chronic illness, but it’s something I still have to work with, and will ALWAYS have to work with. I just want to have as good as an experience with the game as my peers who are more mobile than me. I shouldn’t be restricted just because my body gives me issues.
i’m praying Nintendo just buys Niantic or Pokémon Go at this point and saves us
Me to I just don't care for peridot I always loved pokemon go it's a shame niantic is treating the game the characters and us like trash.
Idk that just seems like under new management to me
Nintendo is just as deaf, and Game Freak even moreso. Just look at the disastrous launch of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. I don't think they have the interest (or knowledge) to step in and save Pokemon GO.
Please, Elon Musk!!!! Buy Niantic please!!!!!!!
Get elon to buy it
One thing I dont see people talking about & might be the biggest issue with this insane remote cap/double price is that when Niantic released level 50s , remote raids is the ONLY way you can get enough raids to obtain enough Candy XL. Even if we did every in person raid all day every day you cant get enough.. its sad to see Niantic destroying another game
These changes hurt all players, from the casual to even the most dedicated. When you start disrespecting your players like that, that's when a game dies
And they changed PvP so level 50s are required
The logic probably goes like this, if you had enough money for remote raids, you also have it for in person raids as the passes are cheaper, also, you only need less than half of the in-person raids to max out a pokemon, so you only need to spend at most less than half of what you would spend doing it remotely (without even talking about the remote raid price increase). Because all things considered in-person raids now give about 8 XL candy per raid on average.
@@thefirehawk1495 Guaranteed XL candy doesn't matter much when you can't get enough people to win the raid in the first place... 2 weeks change and i dont see 1 person who want to defeat raids.
@@thefirehawk1495 That would make sense but we arnt getting 8 XLs for in person. But the XLs are only part of the problem. How many in person raids you think you can do in a day? Driving all over your city, if you are fortunate enough to live in a larger city, finding these raids that are few & far between while hoping someone is at each one to help you. Then do that every single day, 10 hrs a day just to find enough raids? No it doesnt make sense at all. Id assume most every single player above 16 yrs old has a job, or a family, or something else more important then POGO that cant drive around 10 hrs every single day not to mention gas prioces through the roof. the reality is this change hurt hardcore players & not free to play players but on the same note if the change never happened it doesnt hurt anyone.. its stupid on Niantics part & is why they have already lost 400,000 players & that number is growing.. Im one of them..
100% spot on. Somehow I can imagine Niantic will start to celebrate when POGO is totally burnt down so that they dont need to deal with the bugs anymore.
Why'd they even RELEASE IT?
It's *always been* full of bugs...
Cuz they made enogh money
They dont deal with them now
I really hope such a good game doesn’t die.
Imagine waking up to seeing a shut down screen when you log into pogo
If they do shut it down, I'd imagine they'd give players a good few weeks/months' worth of notice in-game...
@@LordKraken3 yep that would be enough to transfer all the Pokémon you have into home
Bro I'm starting to dislike the game. Hope niantic at least takes criticism. The game locked me out of my account for no reason 💀 all i did was log out because the game won't load again (as always) and now it won't accept my password reset! It keeps saying my email is invalid even though i'm sure it's the correct one. I even have screenshots and the emails sent for activation. The date of the activation email is the same month, date, and year as said in a screenshot of my progress in the game. Rip my 40 eevees and the whole eeveelution squad. I played the game for them, but now they're gone. 😢
I only used it to get shiny meltans and dipped
That basically robbing our money?!
The Raid system from the very beginning has always been a joke. Doesn’t matter if it was a remote raid or a in person raid they where always glitched. The only difference is these remote raid passes helped players who didn’t live in the city or are disabled and can’t move around as much. Personally for me I have had terrible experiences with in person raids and the remote raids so I stopped buying passes from the store along time ago. Everyone is angry about the remote raids being limited and the prices jacked up I’m more angry at the fact they never fixed raiding to begin with. Niantic is never going to get my money when it comes to raid passes. And not to mention they shot themselves in the foot because they basically also limited how many raids a person can do with remote raid passes so their logic makes no sense.
common Gary Oak W
I don't play anymore but yeah, raids are a joke. I remember that there was a mechanic for EX raids to trigger, there were a few requirements that a gym needed to pass so that the EX raid took place later, like it needed to be in proper location and enough people fought a boss in that gym. But still, not everyone who took part in the fight that triggered the EX raid, got an EX pass later, like wtf. Only those who received the invite could participate in the EX raid to have a chance to catch Mewtwo.
And then there was the timing. Niantic, do you seriously think that people will drop everything they're doing in the middle of a working day to go to play your game? Not to mention the weather conditions?
I love how dodging in raids was completely bugged for like several years before they finally fixed it only to break it again with the random phantom hits not long after. Soloing and duoing raids were practically a necessity for me once most of my community stopped playing, but I couldn't even do that consistently because I'd just get screwed over by constant glitches and disconnects. Obviously they have no reason to ever fix it because hardly anyone actually dodges and those who do are most likely doing it in smaller groups, which is not the way Niantic intended. Not even gonna mention the countless times they've buffed the bosses and nerfed the drop rates of items to screw people over even more and force them to raid more for the same outcome. I really wish I stopped playing sooner tbh. The whole game is a massively unpolished mess despite being owned by a multi billion dollar company, and I feel guilty for contributing even just a few bucks to them.
They should show more love to the players. Remote raids were nice but now it’s just too expensive to make use of
you get a remote pass for free every week by completing your weekly research task
I remember being in a Whatsapp group where people from all around my city were looking for other people to do raids with and I probably have never had more fun with any other mobile game xD, I remember getting into cars with strangers just driving around town trying as many raids as we could, Pokemon Go really saved me from a very lonely summer then.
i remember a bunch of guys doing a mewtwo raid got me my first mewtwo outside of my house
Getting into cars with strangers sounds a little dodgy, glad nothing bad ever happened
This is really the only way to enjoy what the game has to offer. Which kind of sucks because Pokemon's main demographic of kids and people who live in rural areas dont have access to that.
Plandemic ruined everything
@@ItzJhon this isn’t really a kids’ game though and it never has been. The rural problem is a problem but it’s also not one that can be fixed; this is a game about exploring landmarks and so if you don’t have any landmarks near you, then you’re not gonna be able to play.
It's been almost 3 weeks since I've dome a raid. The small community we had here died off with the changes made. I turned off my adventure sync they aren't getting my info
Having their app on your phone AT ALL is good enough to them.
The fact that Niantic hasn't even acknowledged all the backlash is crazy.
I didn't think the April fool's event was bad, actually Pidgey is more useful than Zorua in Pokemon GO lmao, but since Pidgey has been a common Pokemon last season the event felt unnecessary. They should've brought back the pixel Pokemon from 2018 😢
Yeah, and it was actually a pretty funny joke, playing on how everyone just transfers them. Idk, I thought it was a funny event, even if I wasn’t going to spend my time chasing them
12 candy evos and a lucky egg is all you need
THE SPRITES WERE SO GOOD. Also W pfp
The recent updates with niantic is really ignoring their playerbase' concern. Many of my friends who play pokemon go rely on remote raid bc some of us live in areas with poor internet coverage, limited to no pokestops/gyms nearby, and health related concerns that makes travelling difficult. The loss of weekly gift and increase prices for remote raid pass left a bad taste to the loyal playerbase collectively.
Here's what they should've done for the April Fools event:
Have all spawns be Pidgey and its evolutions. Any Pidgeotto that evolves on that day will have the charged move Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard, Hyper Beam, or Outrage.
It's not only funny, it's an epic prank if it's never actually announced.
I’m a person who can’t go out as much for raids, so the remote pass helped so much. The way Niantic is sabotaging itself at this point, I’ll probably stop playing any of their games including POGO
If something is free you’re the product, which is why I’ve been teleporting on Pokémon go since 2016 😂😂😂
How do you teleport on Pokemon Go?
@@Snow-xd4rv spoofing
@@AsterMaken How I do that, cause I can not play Pokemon go, cause I don't have my own car to go places, and my mom is a worry wart.
@@Snow-xd4rv pgsharp for android, ipogo for iPhone
one thing not outright mentioned in this video is the negligence and ignorance of physically disabled players, such as myself, or socially anxious players. it's literally the hugest "Eff U" Niantic could have given restricted people like us 😓
Personally I think this is an L take. Yes, disabled people exist as do socially awkward people. However, its impossible to market certain games to everyone. You could argue beatsaber is ableist for not providing an alternate mode for people with restricted movement, or DDR is ableist for those in a wheelchair. It’s outrageous that an game revolving around being outside is ‘ableist’ because you have to go outside.
Furthermore, I think the idea that its insensitive to socially anxious players to be just as pointless. Any team based game is insensitive by that mark, so it’s kinda BS.
I dislike the remote raid pass change, but I think trying to push it under ableism and insensitivity on any basis besides trying to profit off location data to be unreasonable.
@@callsign_cerberus159 did u just call having mobility issues an L take
@@mimikyugigas8106 This legit made me LOL. Also W pfp 💯
@@callsign_cerberus159 Remote Raid nerf = difficulty for disabled players to enjoy the game to its fullest. they're hurting us with this change. it's already hard for us to get out of the house and do things man, these nerfs don't make the game any easier for us.
@@mimikyugigas8106 THANK YOU 😭
I stopped playing years ago. I was a rural player and just got sick and tired of Niantic completely ignoring us.
I am laughing at how big city players are just now realizing just how bad the game is for anyone else that's not them XD
Jevil spitting facts.
Even in the city, you still need to go to somewhere densely populated like a college or mall to really find any active raiders
pokemon go will always have a constant player base and I think Niantic knows if they do anything else to hurt the game, it will also hurt their business.
Yeah. Who’s really the blind one with the fact that people are still supporting Niantic?
@@SorielHDTBers I haven’t spent money on the game since 2020 which was pretty much the golden age of pogo. Niantic fucks up way too much.
@@ic4192 it almost even feels intentional. Like they WANT the game to die!
Wait…
@BlackLivesMatter always
@BlackLivesMatter if you’ve been on Twitter, you’d know it’s A L W A Y S .
I didn’t even have a 11 o’clock Regieleki raid in my area. And my family’s Easter dinner was no where near gyms. So I didn’t get one.
Same here homie 🤝
If I one day get a spare, Ill let ya know
Pidgey Pandemonium was funny tbh
BUT yeah I wasn't doing Elite raids on Easter, I don't know why they didn't do it on Saturday like the one before
Peridot is sure to be the biggest hit since Temtem
“Log date. 7-1-4-3”
Peridot is already failing, before it even launches on May 9th. A ton of us who are beta testing have turned on Incognito mode to boycott the changes.
For anyone who doesnt know Incognito mode removes ur dots from showing up in habitats for peoples dots to breed with (removing variety in the game even more than Niantic already has).
Niantic doesnt listen to PokemonGo players, and they sure arent listening to their target demographic for Peridot.
@@Mabayu yeah. If their plan is to kill Pokémon GO to give rise to Peridot, they’re failing in more ways than one. However the fact they still have supporters is making me lose hope in humanity once more
@@SorielHDTBers Im unfortunately part of their target demographic for Peridot (that being people who like Dragonvale, Neopets/Webkinz, and stuff like that) and even I completely hate the game now.
If ur ever interested in what the amazing version of the game was when Peridot was seriously so amazing and I honestly thought it could succeed, take a look at any version before .25 in the beta. Its 100x better than what we have right now, and the friendslist actually had a purpose back then. Currently u send 400 sundrops as a gift, to have ur friend send u 400 sundrops as a gift.
The hell is TemTem
They even screwed up the the April 1st event in my area. pidgey was an uncommon spawn saw a lot of caterpies. The elite raids have been a mess you get enough people together, then half the party gets booted into separate raids. These are all things that should have been avoided because the problems were found in ingress first.
Was it raining? Rain boosts the spawns of bug Pokémon
@@BillSchrader no it was a windy day
@@NatsumenoKage That's crazy. I don't remember seeing much pidgey either.
These are very very good points. Niantic really s**t the bed when it comes to Pokémon go. I just hope that they finally understand that Pokémon means a lot to some people because like…it Pokémon.
Remember whenever Niantic states they are protecting their vision of game it really translates to "were doing this to make money"
I live in a big city and still struggle to not only find but hope enough people join a right raid at the right time. I feel bad for everybody in rural communities
Niantic is determined to get players to go outside no matter what
But there are two fundamental issues that Niantic are ignoring
1. Players who only play from home and who are casual, they won’t decide to go outside, they’ll just decide to delete GO
2. Weather condition could make it dangerous for people to go outside to play GO, punishing players who are choosing to stay safe
They are not determined to make you go outside either. The changes made it so you still have to pay for raid passes. You still only get 1 per day for free. its more pay to play
the funny thing is, a lot of people were comfortable with the kind of "pay to play" remote raid pass system they had going because it was so convenient for everyone. I think its the main reason why people were so enraged when they doubled the price. In my opinion tho, the game should never really be pay to play.
@@berosar I recall there being someone from Niantic who wanted to remove remote raids entirely since it conflicts with their vision of encouraging people to go outside
Also they ignore people with social difficulties and disabilities who like the game
3. Safety concerts. In many many places around the world it's simply not safe to walk outside with your phone in hand. Chances are you'll end up robbed.
4. For anyone living in rural areas they can go outside all they want and there'd be still nothing for them to do in the game because Pokemon GO's entire game model favors highly populated urban areas.
5 (and this is the big one). The huge majority of people who are interested in playing any type of digital games simply don't want to have to go outside and walk to play. The reality is: when people play videogames, they generally simply want to sit down in a comfortable place and play there for hours. That is in direct contradiction with the PoGo game model. It's just doomed to fail. The ONLY thing that keeps PoGo alive is the fact that it's Pokemon. People accept to go along this game concept because it's Pokemon. If they lose the Pokemon IP, it's just simply a bad game design destined to fail.
As a huge Star Wars, Marvel comics, DC comics, NBA, NFL, CoD fan...I'm humbled by the sheer number of Pokemon fans around the planet Earth from 1990 to 2055. The sheer number of Pokemon fans is not to be fk with.
Jokes on Niantic, the only reason I'm playing Pokemon Go is to transfer pokemon from Go to main series
I have a friend who does the same thing and honestly its prob the way to go at this point
Ya unlimited legendaries in the games is pretty good
The only reason I play is shiny legendaries’ 1 in 20 chance in raids. Plus the mythicals. I find it funny when people get hyped for Kecleon. It’s just a freakin kecleon like calm down.
Same. Especially since I missed the Zarude event. I had to transfer it to Pokemon Home. I plan to do the same with Deoxys with BDSP.
Wdym by transferring from go to main series
I live in Rhode island, and while we do have cities, they're not exactly what you call Metropolis places like Massachusetts or New York where you have a ton of people out and about doing relatively the same things. It was very rare to actually find multiple people in the same spots to do a Raid Battle. There was only one time that I was part of a group at a local post office but that was by pure chance. If I didn't need to actually mail a letter that day, I would have been handling it myself. There are forums you can gather and organize group raids online but even so, it wasn't easy. It took a long time for my state to get pokestops or even the proper gyms. And unfortunately, many of the places that were designated for stops and gyms were part of private property and you were not allowed. So many different raids had gone that we never even received unless I had decided specifically to drive to Massachusetts or one of our other sister States, which I wasn't going to do. I'm not into a lot of social gaming anyway, I'm a solo player by heart and thankfully most of the game can be done by yourself but to try to get these specific Pokemon when you had no other way of doing so, took away something apart from the experience. It was much better when they introduced the remote raid system during the lockdowns because this did mean for people like me who live here, you actually could join in battles that you had no ability to do before. People work, people have school, so setting these things up around times when they were not the most appropriate for people to gather unless it was during holidays or breaks was an issue too. At least for me, that was a core issue of why I didn't really do a lot of raid battles in general. Even the smaller level Pokemon that I could handle, it just depended if I had the time to do it. I don't know, I haven't really played the game in several months but I'm not exactly rushing to get back into it. The only real reason I would pop into it now is to transfer some Pokemon to the let's go games because I'm missing a few but as of right now, I don't really see myself getting back into it for a bit.
That plan for them to jump makes even more sense if you add 1 point. Niantic knows it's gonna loose Pokemon, so burn it down and provide a lifeboat to Puriodod(idk how to spell it, and to lazy to care)
Peridot*
wait why were they gonna lose pokémon
That's why we need to sabotage it so it won't have the ability to make games ever. We need to group up with Pokémon Home and Pokémon Main Series community (Both Card and Video Game) to take those bastard down! >:(
@John Smith Niantic doesn't own the rights to Pokémon, in order for this game to continue service they must have a licensing agreement with the Pokémon Company. From what I heard without fact-checking, the licensing agreement is (Loosely anyway) around 7-8 years, which Pokémon Go is approaching fairly soon.
The theory is that since they know that since they're #1: Only known for Pokémon Go, #2: They're reliant on The Pokémon Company (TPC) in order to continue making money from the project, and #3: They're not getting enough of the main thing they want from their players (Location data), that they're focusing on putting their effort into Peridot (Their unique IP) and Monster Hunter (A similarly large IP to Pokémon at least in Japan) to attempt to move the POGO playerbase over to a game where they will continue to make a profit out of. Take this with a grain of salt however, as #1: This is entirely speculation and #2: I'm not even remotely knowledgeable in how businesses run and function, so I myself can't comment on the accuracy of these details.
@@xavierhorn9825 good luck to them moving these players to another game lol most people play this game because it’s Pokémon. This monster hunter stuff isn’t going to work why would anyone want to put effort into a new game by Niantic if they have already proven they don’t care about this game ??
I started playing Pokemon GO when it first came out. After the initial rush though, when people raiding became more rare and the local player base died off, I rare played it. When the main content in the game is no longer accessible, what's the point in spending money? Then remote raids came out, and I spend about a hundred dollars a month on the game again, as did multiple family members. Then niantic tries to punish us for playing the game, so we all quit. Just from my family they're losing 6-7k a year. From what I've seen a majority of players quit. They'd rather the company go under than let people play.
As someone in the UXR group, I'll give a bit of insight.
Even Niantic Employees are disappointed in the changes.
It was to the point where we had a thread specifically for remote raids pass discussion.
Hopefully with UXR members, we'll be able to help the game recover slightly, but we won't know until we actually get something announced from them. There's almost 500 of us, however. Hopefully we can do some sort of good.
That's some reassuring news. Thank ya for the insight homie👍.
Not... really....
I don't think Peridot is going to be a Poekmon GO clone. Seems they have a different attitude and playstyle for it. Pokemon is a collectathon, while Peridot is a raiseathon, if that makes sense.
I think the real issue the remote raid thing occurred was to sidestep how they made money. They KNOW people were using them, and would continue to use them, especially in areas where data to them is worth nothing (aka rural). In areas where invites were being given, like cities, the data collected was enough, and it JUST so happens the prices on in-person tickets didn't go down... hmmm..... mayhaps to still earn more money?
If they weren't in it for profits as they claimed, then in-person raid tickets should have gone to near nothing... yet we know that isn't true.
Also, don't forget Niantic's first starting point... Ingress. That game was entirely free.... until it wasn't. Pokemon Go was a bit the same way for awhile... mostly, anyway.
Very well said. While I know Peridot wont be exactly like pokemon go (I legit thought it was a dating app version of pokemon the first time I saw it) it very much seems like its trying to cash in off pokemon go.
The in person raids are a dead giveaway that this isn't about getting people out because the people that were going to raids before are still the same people going to them now.
@@ItzJhon Maybe you should edit this video to exclude the misinformation you're spreading about peridot being a 1:1 clone of pokemon go because its not.
@@ItzJhon Definitely isn't trying to cash in on PoGo, because all of Niantic's games are similar with the map concept, plus you're presenting Peridot as the only game that has been released/teased in the recent year, completely ignoring Pikmin Bloom, NBA All-stars and the upcoming Monster Hunters game, which all definitely are much more trying to get that same amount of popularity that pogo did, however nba flopped hard and Bloom is still going strong but not as profitable as Niantic as hoped.
Of course Niantic is hoping that Peridot will be successful but it's definitely not replacing pogo, especially when Niantic has said that they made a 10 year plan for pogo.
Man, the Sorairo Days background music is awesome! Glad to find another member of Team Dai-Gurren!!
And yes, Niantic really feels like they are just destroying their game at this point 🤦♂️
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO. Nothin but the best for my homies. This is the channel that will pierce the heavens! >:)
As someone living out in small town Montana, I feel this and it hurts. Our group went from constant invites and bustling activity around each and every legendary, to one or two asks a week for help on a boss, while the only real raiding any of us do is on Wednesday night, and usually only the free raids given our small numbers. Montana is really spaced out between most of its towns and cities and our entire Pokemon GO server comprises 4 different towns with a 30 minute drive one-way between Points A and D.
This update has not incentivized any of those players on the fringes to come and make that 30 minute drive at any one point to fight a Tapu, a Lugia, or any of the last 10 or so raid bosses. We're only ever out for raid days, community days, and maybe, MAYBE Elite Raids if the boss is easy enough for us to take it out in a group of 8. The game is dying out here, and Niantic couldn't care less, because we're rural. And that's always been the one community spit on more than any other. People who don't live in a town with hundreds of Pokestops/gyms in sight every time they boot up the game. We don't matter to them, no matter how loud we speak, and it's pretty much put a death date on this game for me as more and more features are restricted.
If the choice becomes "Move to Place where game is more in-person friendly" or "Don't play at all." I'm going to not play at all, it's just what happens when you rely on these asinine ultimatums for the sake of a flimsy vision that they try to make us think they believe in. They don't care about creating communities, they care about you hitting up POIs that give them data they can sell or use to advertise to you. If they can't get it, they will tighten their grip on the features until it's a borderline chokehold on you, until you either give up, or do as they tell you to.
For one of the most customizable games out there, from a series that prided itself on 'playing your way', Niantic has really made leaps and bounds on "Play my way or not at all" and it makes me depressed, since I've invested a ton in this game since the pandemic days. Yet, here I am now, not going outside enough for Niantic, not making enough communities for Niantic, not doing enough of their own busy work when they can't even bother to make sure the game isn't broken with every new update they push out.
I wish they'd listen to us, but it's clear that they only care about a small fraction of players. Even though no communities are ever going to pop up in places where they never were, they'll continue to hide behind the same excuses. To say nothing of that 'The reviews are in for playing outside' bullcrap they posted a week ago. This company hates you, remember that. You are not a player, you are not part of a community, you're a number they like to wave in front of advertisers to get more money for their half-baked AR tech.
Remote raids are nice, but I meet one of my best friends by going out & actually playing. Remote raids have destroyed local communities/discord groups like it or not. Nobody goes out & plays like they used to. I always thought Pokèmon Go was cool because it was a way for you to get to know the locals of the area. Now, with remote raids, the game has lost its magic that brought strangers together as a team. I'm glad they are doing this.
People already stopped caring about the game here in the netherlands where i live in quite a big city. Remote raids actually revived the game and allowed for the still active players to still go out and invite remote raiders. Now that isnt possible anymore. I might as well stay home cause my lobby wont fill up anyways. There is also 0 motivation from niantic to go outside. You still have to pay for the passes to do in person raids.
People where I live had already dropped PoGo before remote raid passes. It didn't last that long around here at all. And even at its peak around here there wasn't some huge community, at most a brief acknowledgement and a couple lines of small talk. Maybe. At most.
people experiences will vary on location, I guess. I personally, "like most," have seen how the community was before & after remote raids. People don't organize like they used to. Most people would rather just form a remote group than organize an in person group. I get the convenience, but it does take away from the community aspect in one way or another. I agree with the daily limit of 5 remote raids a day, but we should get cheaper premium in person passes & more free daily passes in return. Seem kinda crazy to raise the price of the remote pass but not lower the price of the premium.
What really made me mad about this change was that many people, including myself, lived in rural areas with either no access to gyms or very bad spawns. You got no new Pokémon unless a rare event mon just so happened to spawn at your house, so playing the game was incredibly tedious. What saved me from quitting was when my friend told me about a remote raiding discord server, and ever since then I had a blast playing the game and made plenty of friends along the way. The fact that niantic stripped that experience from a quarter of the players with the weekly remote raid pass removal angers me so much.
Remote raiding was also the sole driving force behind getting my friends back into the game. Kinda ironic that they killed remote raids to promote "going out" and then follow it up by promoting pokemon sleep that literally requires you to sleep
Niantic made the first mistake of making their famous move by using Pokemon, what they should have done was make their own IP first or along side Pokemon. At least they would have seen the difference in fame and settled with knowing Pokemon will always outlast any IP including their own and make Pokemon the best they can.
Pokemon is notorious for consuming whatever studio works on it. Its the price ya pay for that guaranteed success
They spent all the money on developing a stupid app nobody asked for (CampFire) and to force more people to use it, they doubled the price of remote raid passes and added a limit per day.
could have used that money to hire more developers but nah.
Instead they hire more devs to work on future projects with more influence on AR.
It's clear as day Niantic's main focus is developing AR stuff
and Pokémon GO in their eyes was one of their biggest mistakes ever.
They are treating the game and it's community as you'd expect.
It's an abusive relationship because let's be honest, many of us don't even use the AR mode.
They know this and thus absolutely despise the Pokémon go community.
Everyday they ignore us, lie to us, and fail to get things right. A multi billion dollar company.
It breaks my heart...
Pokémon Go meant so much to me and many of us, who grew up with the franchise.
But it's clear as day the charm is gone. (it even got nerfed in pvp lmao)
In terms of raiding, It's dead to me now.
But I'm still going to stick around for the community days and the occasional event.
But I will not be surprised at this point this game will shutdown by the end of next year the way it's going.
They wont care of course. We will be struggling to transfer all our shinies to Pokémon home unless we pay (home transporter energy) and they have a new original IP in the works.
It's such a brutal and harsh reality, But that's how I am seeing it.
Amazing video though it def needs more views! 🥺🥺🙏🙏
let the word spread, hopefully they will indeed hear us someday...and...get it right...I hope...
What I wish for is for another company to take over the Pokémon go license if Niantic truly doesn't care anymore which seems to be the case at the moment.
could be an in-house team at gamefreak or nintendo, I don't know, or some other mobile company (sadly might mean more ad's and microtransations)
but hopefully whatever happens to this game it does continue to indeed live on for years to come...
I will never understand the point of campfire. It doesn't change anything. The places that people would go to on campfire are the same places that people would raid at anyway and the places that no one goes to are still going to be dead. It changes nothing.
Its also interesting you bring the AR stuff up because this is a common theme with Pokemon. Niantic became the "Pokemon Go" company similar to how GameFreak is the "Pokemon company". Its sorta the price you pay when you make any sort of pokemon content. It seems like niantic wants to have their cake and eat it too. Like I said at the end of the video, Its not the gameplay that people love about pokemon go, its the pokemon and unfortunately for niantic, thats who they are now whether they like it or not. Feels like everyone that works on pokemon, doesn't want to work on pokemon.
I could talk for literal years about all my thoughts on the franchise but that's for another video.
Also, Thank you so much for the comment :')
I believe Niantic said that they were doing the remote raid changes for the longevity of the game, however, I believe the limit on the number of raids you could do was enough they didn’t have to double the price
I remember walking 3 km just so that I could participate in the regieleki elite raid. My phone was low battery and I was anxious because I was relying on my GPS. Not being a popular area, nobody else was attending the raid and I wasn’t even able to make a dent. I guess I should’ve seen that coming but it was my first elite raid and I was excited lol
I hate how Niantic made the elite raids on Easter or how the Hisuian Avalug raid day was on Christmas Eve
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
why make one day events fall on some of the biggest holidays??
My friend still manage to participate regieleki raid after eastern
Even though this game existed, the Peridot one. And now I'm not even going to touch it with a ten-foot pole. I prefer my Pokemon over whatever those floating blobs are supposed to be
I haven’t been able to do many raids since my usual group decided to just disband entirely when remote raids were introduced. And the funny thing is, that was the only group that was local without me needing to go far out into an entirely different city.
It sucks cuz i just got back into pogo in the beginning of this year and i was hooked again since the initial release and now they decide to make all these changes killing the game.
This is why I don't have any legendary Pokemon cause my friends and me have lifes and none of use are gonna show up at a spot at like 3:24 on a Friday afternoon just to hope to beat it to get a chance to catch it
My point exactly. At least remote raids gave people a chance. As long as one friend was physically at the raid, you could just invite your friends from anywhere.
Remote raiding has tanked since the remote pass increase. Nobody I know is buying passes anymore and it’s all because of the pricing, either Niantic switches back and everything goes back to normal or they lose the most successful game they’ll ever have
Nothin but Facts 💯
Dont forget, Niantic isnt even listening to our feedback for Peridot as is and actually using that to imrpove it. Been beta testing it for a while now, and Niantic seems set on making the game pay to play, with the core mechanic which is breeding for new unique looking dots being behind a 5$ paywall per dot bred currently, while also taking away every feature we liked and replacing it with 2 minutes of gameplay every few hours.
Im really curious as to how they expect to get Geodata from Peridot, when they arent even incentivising people to outside with these complete god awful changes. Weekly walking rewards give nothing of value, theres 2 minutes of gameplay every few hours, u now have to ask for consent when wanting to breed a dot with someone elses dot, wild dots no longer exist, so theres no variety and we are reliant on new players to get new traits and hoping they dont drop the game before their dot even reaches adult stage, if a player has incongnito mode on their dot cannot be bred with by anyone in the world nor does it show in habitats, and thats honestly not even all, theres also the issue with if someone doesnt log in after the newest update, their dot is treated as if it doesnt exist in habitats, so the variety goes down even more due to this. Theres tons more wrong with this game than just that, and btw, this game launches on May 9th.
Our study has a pokemon go discord server that was very active before the remote raid changes. This year of a our study a large amount of students have to do their internship abroad or far away, so remote raiding was kind of the only way to stay in contact, but now most of the time we just can't afford raid passes and the server just kinda collapsed. Definitely the dumbest change they ever made. I wouldn't even be mad if they just fixed their horrible gym system, which caps your daily coins at 50 but you have to wait until your pokemon gets knocked off... ...only for them to all get knocked off at the same day and turning the effort and time of 350 coins into 50 coins.
Niantic also just seems to forget that players in smaller cities exist? I hope they revert the changes or make SOME other way to complete raids without others near you. They probably won't though.
Its not Niantic, its john hanke, the ceo of niantic, he has said he does not care about the accessibility for things, he wants people to go outside for location data, and yet he started niantic
I'd imagine they were fans of the IP, but never realized how overwhelming the project would be. Their creative team is confined to the 1 app, and that's not what they initially thought they were signing on to. Genuinely, they should sell the rights to Nintendo and make whatever they want, though as a consumer I don't want Nintendo getting PoGo. Nintendo would 100% be more loyal to the fanbase because it's their property they care about, but they also care heavily about getting paid potentially even worse than Niantic. We're in a tough spot rn
You are so right. Niantic have really been doing bad lately. And I honestly agree... they could be self sabtogating. Some of their descisions seem so ludacriously awful that self sabtotage begins to make sense (although as you said its a horrible plan). I have taken a hiatus from go lately because I do not feel like niantic deserves my support until they decide to stop actively making the game less fun
Honestly I love Pokemon go just as much as everyone else but I stopped playing as well after they removed legendaries from Weekly missions. I could just tell the game was going downhill at that point and that Niantic shouldn't get my support
There ARE signs that Niantic wants out of GO. Or the relationship between them and TPC is not going great.
As a friend of mine had cautioned, Niantic is actively trying to discourage players by either not listening to them or not trying hard enough to maintain quality of their app. Moreover, they have been on rampant in making more GO clones, which my friend's friend (who's a business/marketing expert) considers as colatteral, in the case of TPC not renewing their partnership. So, my friend has been telling me to prepare for the inevitable, which is GO shutting down or being handed to a different company.
I think Nintendo System (the joint company with DeNA, which develops Pokémon Masters) may be a potential candidate.
Crazy how making remote raids free would make this game thrive again
Ye but only 1 per day I'd say or something like that, I havent thought about it at all since I just read ur comments but I think if it was free unlimited people would finish the game too fast and stop playing.
I feel like a lot of people don't know how Niantic started, or what their actual product is. Niantic created a game called Ingress. It was an ARG, faction based pvp game that used real life "landmarks" in order to generate portals that players would need to physically go to, attack, control, and gain items from. While it came with a subset of basic portals, the players themselves could "submit" landmarks that could be turned into portals. Fire departments, churches, museums, historical buildings, city monuments, etc. That is Niantic's product. That is what Niantic offers. They ditched Ingress after they created that product and moved into pokemon go. All of their games, from the very start, have been clones of their original game, Ingress. Their product quite literally is location data, not just "where people are" like it is for every company, but literally where "points of interest" and "landmarks" are. They can't get any of that if people are staying in doors. Their data will become obsolete, outdated, and incomplete. I don't think they care about anyone's location, they care about people keeping their maps up to date because that is their product.
If that is their plan why not just give pokemon go to the pokemon company
Considering the quality of recent pokemon games, I dont think much would change 💀
@@ItzJhon I disagree. Anyone would run pkmn go better than Niantic rn. the raid pass price increase is why I quit the game.
I had a whole timeline on how soon pokemon go was gonna die based off their events, and they had a year to 3. I guess they decided to speed things up
I hope Niantic fixes the crashes I constantly get on Pokémon Go.
What phone u r using? I also have the same prob
Wouldn't be surprised if this game closes in the next few years. Feels like Pokemon Go has run its cause and theres not many people outside playing it anymore. I stopped playing it on a regular basis just before the pandemic started.
Well I can point out some things that led to the downfall, at least for me and I'm sure others too. First of all if the battle system was turn based with a timer that ended your turn. 30 sec or 60 sec timer. Next is the ability to trade more easily. I understand the need to control trading somewhat. But maybe a level unlock or a trade currency or trade tickets or something along those lines would have worked.
This is o sad to see my wife and i have played pogo since launch day we were waiting months in advance for it to drop and to think all those great memories we have together catching all those mon may just be deleted like it never happened is heart breaking ngl
well you might want transfer your POGO Pokemon to Home before deleting it xD
I haven't opened my app in years, but I just want to appreciate the memories too. Built teams with my favorites and did raids long ago. But now the app just... sits there. Never to be opened again, maybe one day it may be opened, but that is if I can patiently wait for all the updates. Hearing all the bad news is just making me feel bad too, as my partner and I spent many hours just playing and planning.
3:10 I remember last year of 2022 where Niantic held a Christmas and New Year with their Community Day events.
I feel so bad reading people's experience of not being able to capture event Eevees with Hats and a Jan 1 Raid Day Reshiram because it's literally holiday and some places are just freezing them to death just to walk.
Other than that, they're literally cashing out the lonely people out there in their vacation times instead of spending time with their loved ones.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but my wife and I both think Niantic ruined PoGo like 6 months into it when the mechanic with the footprints changed. We jumped ship right after that and we both seriously LOVED this game.
Funny you mention that because I was actually going to talk about that!
I ended up cutting that part of the vid because I started going on a tangent xD.
@@ItzJhon it's so easy to get passionate about seeing something you loved getting ruined by what is most generously corporate incompetence. That mechanic brought more strangers together in camaraderie than can be adequately quantified. Can't tell you how many times we would be looking for some Dratini or Vulpix and we'd realize we had walked like 3 miles (with our infant daughter) and were in a beautiful part of town we never knew existed. So heartbreaking to see this game fade
The whole reason many people joined Pokemon Go was because it let us access pokemon that were currently stuck on outdated consoles, and Go lets you send stuff to Home, allowing you to collect the full national pokedex and potentially trade the pokemon into the main games. That was the idea. (Regardless of actual implementation in the main games -_- )
Lots of people also just so happened to "get into Pokemon" thanks to Go, so that's nice.
But yes, the people who are playing because it is POKEMON, they aren't going to suddenly swap to a game that has nothing to do with anything else, let alone spend that same amount of money on it.
The problem is the game they want to make, and the game most of the community wants to play are different. It's not even about money. The remote passes were easily the most profitable thing in the game for them. Maybe the data they sell is worth more, I don't know that, but I have a gard time believing it is more than the hit they are taking from remote passes. If I wasn't using the game to make my walks more interesting, thus improving my health. I would have quit already and I am still thinking about quitting anyway
Someone must have crunched the numbers on their end and realized the data would profit them more than the remote raid passes. Niantic trying to double dip by getting more money from passes and the data
@@ItzJhon how do they even profit from the data?
@@anty. I'd guess selling to advertisers but idk for sure. Because that's the way it usually goes, and apparently other companies have sold location data, but I'm not sure how that would work.
I honestly love remote raiding because the time i'm in manhattan for work is the only time where those raids are possible for me. the raids where i live even slightly out of NYC are DEAD. it means community days and elite raids by me are simply not possible on my own.
I came back to the game in 21 because it was finally everything it could be. I didnt know about the data collection or this rip off game. Yeah i 100% think theyre trying to burn it down.
Honestly I’ve just been using the same stop every time I go to school because I can’t go anywhere else which is kinda why I stopped playing for three years and then came back. Also the incense kinda sucks now because it doesn’t spawn any Pokemon
Sense they dbl price not done any raids and yeah there trying too shut down pogo for the new games such a shame also
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It is very bold to assume that pokemon go is at its end. There will still be a core player base that will keep the game going, even if 1% of all players currently existing leave the game. I explicitly say 1% because that's how many are leaving the game due to the inability to play regularly anymore. The main reason some people are leaving in the first place is due to the fact that, while yes, the initial raid pass update was for Covid related purposes, it ended up giving the ability for people with physical disabilities, such as literally not having legs, the ability to regularly play the game. Niantic sees this as an unitended consequence as the game was never designed for disabled people in mind in the first place. Their main goal was to get people up and moving and the remote raid passes actively don't do that, which is why they are pushing for going out more. Is it right? No, but the game's not gonna end over 1% of the gamer population leaving.
tbh this remote raid increase in price and the 5 limit has never bothered me what so ever but im just a casual player so idk how its like in a hardcore players eyes
The cap might not affect ya but the price increase affects everyone :/
Think of it this way, it affects a lot of other players and makes a lot of them quit. Less people spending money, means less profit, means they put less back into the game. It might not directly affect you now, but it will speed up the game dying, which affects all players.
It effects me and im a free to play player. After the update ive managed to do 0 succesfull legendary raids cause nobody joins anymore. I need remote raiders to join in order to do them.
Niantic really be tellin us "touch grass nerds."
They are going to kill it like harry potter did
It is truly sad to witness the occurrence of self-sabotage for Pokemon GO, especially when it had finally found some steady footing during the pandemic. Furthermore, when you consider how other (and more mainstream) Pokemon games have been performing as of recent times (BDSP, ScarletViolet), the situation is concerning for this mammoth / Mamoswine of an IP.
Here's to hoping that Pokemon GO gets revamped asap, because at this rate, it will gradually but surely die out.
Wow, really great points!
To the point about tracking our movement data.. who the hell are they gonna track if everyone quits because they're managing the game horribly? 😂 I don't know that they've considered that!
Another thing about your last point is that if it's true that they are sabotaging PoGo to send players to Peridot.. who do they think they're going to retain? Niantic isn't just ruining PoGo, they are ruining their reputation. Who is going to want to play and invest a ton of time and money into a game by developers who are willing to ignore their player base?
Exactly. I don't think people are going to be eager to play another Niantic game after completely ignoring and mistreating pokemon go players.
Pokémon Go can't die rn,i think we can play this game for almost 2 years
Peridot looks good but it doesn't have the 2 decades of lore and content to draw from, so I won't be playing it, why should I play fake Pokémon when I can play the real one? lol
Exactly! Pokémon come with a story. Many of them are based on Japanese folklore and so there’s a history to them. The cards, the games, the movies, the plushies, etc… people do get emotionally invested. Then some doofus comes along and tries to copy making made up monsters with no history, and well, it doesn’t make me want to play it.
My mind was BLOWN at seeing ALL those smartphones with Pokemon GO on that bike!!! 😲
I've personally seen people carry multiple smartphones and tablets to raids. Some Pokemon go players are just that dedicated.
I'm hoping the shadow raids will make up for this but it probably won't
It's still alive because it's Pokemon..no knock off can replace it
A way to fix this is maybe adding bots to help with your 5 star raids maybe like making your friends with max friendship be an ai and do a raid with them
Honestly not even a bad idea.
They give you cpu allies in raids within the Mainline games.
Maybe it could be like an item that gives you a cpu ally for one raid
And then the CPU use random weak pokemon like sawk, dunsparce, stantler, or pokemon that not super effective against it
@@babyseal8822well they could use the last raid party the friend used
@@casidy8194 and that last raid party is used against previous legendary, example, those bot use pokemon that strong against mewtwo while you raiding darkrai because before darkrai raid, theres mewtwo raid
@@babyseal8822 exactly
I just recently started playing pokemon go and I'm seeing so many videos like this I hope things get better😭😭
Same here homie.
At this rate, I might just take all my shinies off Pokémon go and place them on Pokémon home. Don't wanna lose my shiny groudon and Rayquaza.
That's what I do, I just send every shiny I find to home.
If you are unable to go outside that's a problem we should probably fix in our society. We should be allowed to go to the park or a communion place every once a week or so but sadly a lot of Americans don't have that luxury...
See, I'd follow the second theory if not for Pokémon GO's predecessor - also from Niantic - Ingress.
I think it more likely an attempt to simply re-encourage the travel aspects, and with it, prevent peoples' residences from being leaked without requiring a lot of digging through history.
Unfortunately, the only encouragements they have for travel are punitive measures.
If there plan is to boost sales and players of Peridot by making Pokémon Go suck, that’s not that great of a plan. I was at least willing to give Peridot a try before, but with the way PoGo is turning out, I don’t think they’d change anything about the style of game to improve of PoGo
Well done, the best video so far on raid pass nerf!
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The issue with "just sell it off" is that Pokemon GO would be direct competition to their new game and it won't stand a chance. They have to kill it in order to start new but jokes on them because it will still fail. No idea what game will rise and take its place after that.
Niantic is a Scummy company and I am glad I deleted the game 3 weeks ago
I had really hoped for Pokemon Go to be a bigger deal. One of the next esports even. But Niantic doesnt care about the IP (probably cause of the licensing fee). Pokemon fits the AR game model almost perfectly, and they came so short on so many features. Like the leveling up system for example, its usually better to throw away a decent mon instead of training it. So the attachment to your party isnt there in even a fraction of what it is for main line games. And the battle system is, quick at best? so i doubt there could be any real competition built up around it
theyre killing their probably only good money income game
Idk about anyone else, but I have no interest to play any other niantic game
@@ItzJhon same
I stopped playing POGO sometime after late 2016 to early 2017 due to my rural home town not having any pokestops in the immediate area, I got back to playing for a few month after moving to Australia back at early 2019 but also stopped sometimes after.
I started playing again just a few days ago and man.. what a shitshow.
The game has definitely had its ups and downs over the years but nothing like this
Crybabies gonna cry no matter what. The people crying about the remote raids are just butthurt they can't get massive amounts of xp anymore. Anyone who actually plays the game how it should be played is unaffected by any of this and don't care.
I play rurally and now that raids are gone, I can’t get any potions or revives. Basically have been forced to quit. Have elected to just get pokemon home and move pokemon to there. I mean, at least I don’t have to worry about revives on shield since I can just drop 2000 poke on it and be alright!
i think its understandable WHY they did this, but the way they went about it was so garbage, couldve left them at 100 coins, had the cap but allow the cap to rollover to the next day, so if i do 4 raids in a day, the 1 raid i didnt do gets shifted to the next day, then i would have 6 for the next day! that way the game doesnt lose nearly half a million people in a single week, niantic still make money and the playerbase arent pissed off at them, but they went the "go big or go home" route and nuked their game, this mustve been what happened to every other niantic game that got shut down, the killed it off somehow, if its not making them money they kill it, which i bet pokemon go wont last till halloween this year with how theyre handling the backlash.
i honestly think its normal that there is a cap, like they shouldve capped it when they first came out and nobody wouldve said anything. I do think if they wanted to raise the price, then make it 150 MAX, 195 is so random and 2 dollars is too much to spend on 1 raid.
Remote raid passes issue is overrated. What doesn’t get talked about was the Las Vegas event. That was a sign that they didn’t put the work in to make a live event go right. Remember they say that playing in person is the games mission and they can’t get that right.