Hey all, holy Sh*t ya know when you put everything into something youre making, theres always a fear no one will enjoy it, or even like it outside of yourself. I am STILL working on a follow up, should be out this week, or soon. cant thank yall enuff for the love this video is getting. Ive got alot cookin, hope youll stick around for the fun! ❤
Rdr1 has a better story and characters while also focusing more on survival mechanics, hunting, collecting herbs, etc. I think gta has a better traversal system and is more fun because there's no moral dilemma of killing innocence and causing havoc
Besides GTA 4 there's no other GTA better than rdr1 and 2, those who say that GTA 5 is better are probably 12 years old kids who don't even know about the western genre and don't even want to give it a try because they don't have mobile phones or cars in red dead...but it's incomparable riding a horse throughout a beautiful landscape with driving a car through an American metropolis, and I'm not saying that GTA 5 (story mode) is a bad game, it's just that is very overrated, and when it's about GTAO things are a lot worse
Also 20:00 In Rdr2 when Arthur returns to horseshoe overlook to meet Strauss after contracting TB to retrieve the debt, Strauss is surrounded by flying Vultures.
Rockstar has some amazing writers, they obviously did not have RDR2 planned when they made RDR1, but they had the whole script solidly written that they were able to write a compelling prologue that lines up with everything.
I love the conversation between the old women after playing the second game. Dutch in the second game is constantly trying to spin the public into sheep following a corrupt government, unaware that they're going into the slaughterhouse. However, the first thing we see in the first game is the two women talking about how corrupt the political scene is, immedietly showing us that the world Dutch was trying to sell isn't representative off how things are. I also think the pastor saying that Jenny need only to come to him is also a reflection of Dutch. They both present themselves as moral arbitors, despite both being wrong. Sets up the themes in the first game about Dutch and Ross being very similar pretty well.
There's so much heart in RDR that it pains me to think that RDR2 is likely the last title Rockstar will produce with any real soul to it. Obviously GT6 hasn't been released yet, and for sure there's every chance that game's story might have some real heart to it. But GTA Online set such a horrible precedent in terms of what's most profitable that my hopes are not high and I sincerely believe that we've seen the last of R*'s genuine storytelling at least as far as original stories go.
Tbh I think GTA Online just didn’t have the same level of writers for it. Because while yes it was the money maker, they knew that no matter what the story was people would play it. But even GTA5 story is very well done, I think it’s probably just below GTA4 with the red dead games on top. But it’s still very clear with Red Dead 2 that at least for that game they still cooked up one of the best games of all time with one of the best stories. So I don’t think we should lack faith, because the same people who wrote GTA 5 wrote Red Dead 2. Two completely different types of stories.
@@BrinkPinkno such thing as 'change' RDR1 or well... primarily Dutch argues against it. (this also includes 'corruption' - & the subset to this, which is the absolute determination of 'right & wrong')
Yeah I played rdr 1 back in like 2012 and loved it. Replayed it multiple times. I’ve replayed rdr 2 like 3-4 times. Coming back to rdr 1 after playing rdr / makes everything so much more emotional, especially the Dutch cliff confrontation
absolutely, it adds so much. R* did alot with dutch's last words for 2, will be doin a video on it, should be out after the one coming up soon! thanks so much for watching friend, I know its just words but really to anyone you watching this video till the end it means the world to me! it really does, thanks so much yall ❤️
Bonnie is continually one of the most entertaining characters in the story, the way her preconceptions interact with everyone and her tough but sensible and caring demeanor is hard to get tired of.
In regard to the crows. Crows in film and literature are common symbols for death. Not only is their appearance sinister, but they are also common carrion eaters and will frequently pick at any dead animal, humans included. Crows particularly like to eat the eyes out of dead creatures. They became common symbols for death and danger and no where else is that more common in westerns. The perched crows on the grave represent the death of the gang and it’s members. The crows perched at the fort in the first game are simply a visual representation of the danger John is walking into. If the crows are already nesting there in numbers then it means there’s a steady supply of food for them (ie dead bodies)
Im doing exactly this now! It is awesome to see the parallel stories coincidence so well from 2 to 1 so good. I played 2 when it came out but now have replayed it 4 times in the last couple months and have just now finally got rdr1 and am loving how well they crafted this story and world.
Do yourself a favor and check out the online mode for 1 as well. You can play as Dutch, Javier, and Bill, as well as Red from Red Dead Revolver, and you can also ride bulls and zebras. It was amazing.
RDR2 is simply a Piece of Art to those of us who truly see this masterpiece & all of the love, hard work & dedication that has been put into it. I don't even [play on it pc right now just my PS5 & the graphics are still breathtaking. Since 2018 when it came out to today in 2024 there are still videos or articles everyday about new things found in the game to philosophical tales and comparisons or just the lucky few who have just discovered this game. RDR2 is one of those very rare games that people, including myself, would trade a lot of "Gold Bars" to just experience this game for the 1st time again.
Archer Fordam deserves a lot of respect at least when compared to his partners ans hugher ups. He was simply doing his job and didn't seem to take any joy in what they did to John and when it was all over he was respectful to John and i believe he was fully intent on honoring their deal and never seeing John again but Ross had other plans. Another detajl is I think he may have not been present during the beachers Hope raid. There is an agent standing in the firing squad outside rhe barn that is wearing a similar suit but its not 100% clear if it is him or not so depending on the facts there He might have even objected to the plan and staged out of it.
dude 270 something subs????? totally thought this was some 10k channel's vid at least. great, GREAT video and congrats for lucking out algorithmically. looking forward to more
thanks so much, im grateful for every view! im just happy to see people enjoying what I make, its an honor yah always gotta start somewhere.. youd know, took that real bad case of luck in stride, and with spurs that jingle jangle you made it all the way to yes man
Fun fact: you can encounter a man who took part in the massacre of the Wapiti Tribe in chapter 2 of the second game. He can be found in a random camp encounter, east of Valentine out in the plains, or at least that's where I found him. He goes into some detail about the conditions of the camp and the things the soldiers did, which I found absolutely fascinating because I think he's actually the only living witness to the atrocity you can find anywhere in the game... Everyone else is either long dead, or understandably doesn't feel a massive urge to come out and confess what happened and what they did. At the end of the encounter he fades off to sleep in a drunken stupor, I assume this is the part where many would kill him for what he did, but I just walked away, he wasn't at fault for what happened, and leaving him with the guilt and the memories is a far more fitting punishment... If he were awake, he'd probably want you to put him out of his misery. Which is exactly why I didn't.
and if you loot him, he has a old native american ring on his person! its a unique item as well, adds to it all I think. The soldier never sold it, instead he held onto it for the rest of his life... until he met me that is lol
@@BrinkPink and this wasn't a recent thing either, the camp and it's remains are meant to be YEARS old in the game's lore. I can't remember when exactly but I wanna say the remains are over 10 years old.
i remember on my first playthroughs of both games, i was the 13 and i am so grateful my first experience with the series was in chronological order. my mind was blown by all the little details i picked up on and how cool it was that those things were basically backwards engineered for the story, wonderfully so
When this game dropped in 2010 there was genuinely nothing like it. When I was a kid playing Red Dead Revolver I had no idea the impact the series would eventually have on me. I genuinely couldn't believe back in 2010 that graphics could ever get better. It still holds up VERY well today.
Hearin Bill trying pretty hard to string some kind words together while severely sloshed on liquor is funny but sorta wholesome. Like he’s no a charmer but he’s tryin
theres a big double meaning, that most people take as just a joke... when talking about how John is dutch's favorite disciple, bill then goes to say, "...look I love liquor, but liquor...dont love me." john lights up, laughing and says "I know whatchu mean." I love that so much, essentially what Bill (and the writers of R*) are tryin to say here is this: Like bill and the whole gang, we all love dutch. but Dutch? he doesnt love us all the same back, if at all. thats awesome, and its hidden away in Bill's drunken stupor
Let me be your 130 sub. Great video. I'm surprised you don't have way more.. Only part that I'd disagree with is the old ladies on the train. That is actually the natives being converted to Christianity. the oil was basically already the governments. Those are the real reasons for the expression "And that's how the West was won" Getting rid of the remaining gangs was a bonus
Roger Clark is narrating a new book, as Arthur, releases August 6th. Called Red Dead Histories. It will tell us the history behind what we where playing in the games. Should be an interesting read. I've got mine pre booked lol
interesting! my point for the natives were how R* used what the old ladies were saying for the many native story beats of RDR2, and 1 has some moments too. We still dont know some areas, like outside of Macfarlane's Ranch in hennigan's stead we have mescalero, what we can assume to be an old native settlement or area. Not much to go on in either games sadly? but it probably didnt end well for them.
what red dead 2 adds to the original Red Dead Redemption's Prologue, and as a whole is nothing short of magnificent, see yall next video... and thanks for 110 subs ❤
As far as I'm concerned, the most compelling connection between one and two is when Ross and Milton confront Arthur while he's fishing with Jack. Ross says 'enjoy your fishing, kid, while you still can'. 15 years later, that same kid shoots Ross dead while he himself is fishing.
I agree with you, them meeting up at a river is awesome, but sadly the fishing part is a minconception, Ross isnt fishing, hes in fact shooting quail... Which is something John told his son, Jack theyd do in the coming season, just as Edgar Ross and an army arrives at Beecher's Hope during the end of RDR1... Ross is also, horrible at shooting quail. Essentially Ross is literally doing (poorly) something you were supposed to do with your father, he even robbed you of that the bastard.
I just thought, the "only angels can fly" line is quite interesting, as it shows a refusal of change from the priest. Shows there isn't as much difference between people as it may seem.
When you put all the prologue again and you played (and replayed) RDR2 it makes a lotta sense and makes a full circle to the some little interesting details on your journey at the end at the wild west, while like you said, thinking that on the first game at the moment t'was just a remake structure of the Red Harlow adventure with the western spaghetti influences, simply amazing
That thing about power reminded me of the megadeth song symphony of destruction that goes ''You take a mortal man and put him in control watch him become a god watch peoples heads a-roll a-roll just like the pied piper led rats though the streets we dance like marionettes swaying to the symphony of destruction acting like a robot its metal brain corrodes you try to take its pulse Before its head explodes.
@@youdontneedtoknow106 megadeth is better than metallica bt daves singing is unbearable aside from killing is my buisness rust in peace and youthanasia alsoi never even mentioned metallica
In my opinion, Jenny's quote about not knowing the difference between a loving act and a hateful act is a testament to her innocence, naivety, and lack of real world experience. We learn how naïve and sheltered she truly is later on as she believes she can survive in the desert with no food or water on God's faith alone. She has never experienced true hate or evil, or the realities of danger and the harshness of nature and survival. She is a simple religious girl of the Church, who likely grew up sheltered under the close watch of her parents and the Church administration. She may hear of and read of bad things that occur in the world but has no concept of them, or experience of bad and hateful things being done to her. In contrast, that is all John has ever known. He has seen evil and been evil himself many times throughout much of his life. He knows what humans and the natural world itself are capable of. To hear such a naive quote must make his eyes roll, because he surely can differentiate between evil and hateful actions, and love and good actions. Of course there are instances where these lines become blurred, and revenge can be pursued from a place of hate towards the instigator and love for those who suffered at their hands, but these are specific instances. Generally, John could very easily tell Jenny what the difference is between hate and love, and what hateful people are truly capable of.
Just watched this after finishing the prologue on RDR1 after doing my third run on RDR2 and I have to say I think you've hit the nail on the head. I was quite blown away with the amount it gave me to reflect on. (Especially the first conversation with marshall Johnson!) Would LOVE to see a series on the context of 2 in 1 or maybe other segments that you feel are noteworthy! Really enjoyed the video my dude, your commentary was great and I thought the way you put it all together was fantastic! subscribed and looking through your library now!
Sorry to all Sadie fans, but Bonnie is the greatest female character of the all saga to me. Dude, pls do a vídeo expeculating what happened with Sadie after de rdr1 ending. There's a real debate if she gets married with that guy from the ranch or not at her final. cutscene.
@@BrinkPink Apologies Two Weeks Late and Happy To See i got a comment back! And Yea esp i think that even plays so much stronger seeing how he was was of the few in the vander lin gang to fly
Cant believe the Agents found out about Micah. How? well Arthur told him "don't look back" he did, Mac & Davey prob told the same thing before dying(in Blackwater) then he came back to Dutch rather then Ran off
They made all this progress in story telling and presentation and gameplay just to abandon it and tell us that GTA6 is going to be underwhelming and more like gta v. I’m done with rockstar
Dude, out of the video essays and analyses out there, this really is my favorite. Even with how meticulously edited some of them can be, with big fancy scripts, this one scratched the literary-and-narrative itch that others couldn’t. I actually love the unscripted nature of your video. Makes it sound like a lecture and I mean that in a good way. It’s got me thinking about trying to make videos like these. I’ve been wanting to upload video essays for years. I’ve written scripts and filmed them but was just never satisfied with the flow. This was very eye-opening. Please make more videos. Subscribed.
I think with jenny and the angels cant fly bit i feel thats more of just a light misogynistic priest discounting a news story because he heard it from a woman the interpretation about people and angels feels like a stretch. Also fyi when they say savages they're talking about natives its what they called them as an element of dehumanisation. Which also puts a spotlight on the pastor talking about people and savages like they still think theyre not worthy of heaven even though the natives dont personally care about christianity . It calls into question that even the idea that it was even worth it to do those conversion camps aka concentration camps is up in the air that their humanity is still up for debate which is disgusting. so you know native people are still getting prejudice. And in some cases they still are today more from government screwing over resevation land than interpersonal but those still happen too. Anyway i feel like when thats more clearly the point of the two convos seeing these stretched meanings i dont feel they fit. Still and interesting interpretation.
I think also the word and the civilization is the same thing is more just calling the hypocrisy of what they deem civilised even though it took tons of violence on part of settlers and the american government to makes that civilization on the bodys of tons of natives and being far more the descriptor of savage than any native tribes were to them. I agree that the loving act and hateful act being what rdr2 goes in on though i feel thats spot on.
Okay but where you guys think the ferry took off from in the rdr1 intro? Now knowing the rdr2 map. Saint Denis? And why was he there in the first place when he lives at Beecher’s Hope?
I always assumed he just got back from whatever jail cell they were holding him in, and ross tells him they have john's family hostage. Their lives are in his hands. I always wondered what areas the lake had out there. Now with 2 we have all those locations, my best guess is they threw him in sisika again, and then took the ferry back to blackwater.
ngl, i cant think rdr2 is better than the first. everything good about rdr2, I feel it just adds to the feel and story of 1. but no gta has the strength of either. hands down
It’s crazy how the story of rdr1 confused me so much then after playing 2 then going back to 1 im no longer confused and im actually more than on point
I really hope they remaster Red Dead Redemption 1 and not really change anything but maybe add a few lines talking about Arthur. I think the final confrontation with John and Dutch has to mention Arthur, I think it would just make it a little more impactful.
i understand where your comin from, but the speech worked beautifully in rdr1, and with 2 R* intentionally connected the lines and speech to come together. Changing that is too much, Arthur never exists in Red Dead 1. He wasnt created yet
My only regret regarding RDR2 is that we never got an option to have an alternative timeliness, based on personal choices presented in the game in certain sections, that allowed Arthur to survive, even with TB into the epilouge, so we could play as him. Some might think that's unrealistic, but look at real-life Doc Holliday, who despite his hard living lifestyle, lived for 15 years after his initial diagnosis at the age of 22, to finally die in bed with his boots off. I hate to say it, because John was the original star of the Red Dead Redemption game and I played the original back when it first came out, but after playing as Arthur, I honestly couldn't stand playing as John afterwards. Please don't get me wrong, John is a great character, but what I loved was Arthur's wit and how he genuinely seemed to enjoy life and had a fun side to him, whereas John seemed to be serious all the time in comparison. But I did feel compassion for John, because by the time 1911 roles around, John truly has changed and has tried to be a better man, yet sadly as John said in the first game: "Nothing gets forgiven."
thanks so much for watching! understandable to feel that way, but i mean John uh genuinely enjoys life and has a fun side to him...they literally copied his character, retooled it a tiny bit and created an older brother aka Arthur for RDRII lol And honestly, Arthur is not a real happy dude. Hes described as a sullen man, sad, very often. Even by himself, or mary beth, well nearly everyone. He cant barely stomach looking at himself in the mirror. Dutch calls him a "big shadow case behind a tiny tree." aka Arthur is a useful ally but hes dumb, simple. People think hes a blockhead, and I think thats great. As we the player know hes not, just like John, thru Arthur's journal we can discern that for both of them. I mean also Arthur beat a sick man, who ran a kids charity, to death...Its something John didnt do. Arthur is the one doing strauss' dirty work, as strauss says himself no one else (including John) is willing to stoop so slow to conduct, usury is not a good look. All those mistakes, and looking the other way with Dutch's decline are super necessary for Arthur's Redemption to be meaningful, as he didnt exist in RDR1. So having him live after rdr2 would be a super weird choice, and definitely wouldnt fit into RDR's overall narrative and themes. Especially as Ross wouldve been hunting down Arthur too by 1910. Arthur's sacrifice is essential for it all to at least make a little sense for continuity, its what pushes Dutch waay over the edge to the crazed man he becomes in rdr1, just as it pushes John to eternally strive to be a better man..to try and change and do whats right. Personally I couldnt wait to play as John again, and I find the epilogue is this ultimate love letter to rdr fans.....but thats just my opinion anyway.
@@BrinkPink - I get what you're saying and in terms of continuity because you said that Ross would be hunting down Arthur Morgan as well as John.Well, you could have Arthur dying at the very end of the epilouge, sacrificing himself to take down Micah Bell. I mean, that may not be perfect, of course, but it could fit the terms of continuity as well. Arthur's character, from his voice, to his height and build kinda remind me a little of John Wayne, who was always my favorite cowboy in cinema, and maybe that's another reason I liked Arthur more, plus if you do the Charles missions, like where you attend that gallery, when Charles gets smacked over the head by that lady with her purse, Arthur busts out laughing, whereas if you do them as John, he barely let's out a chuckle, which to me shows a huge differences in their personalities.
I hope RD3 we get to play as a young Dutch, leading up to the events of this heist with the ending as the escape from the heist and leaving off right where RD2 starts.
i meant if you walk at a normal speed, its literally impossible to hear everything charles and john haveta say, happens in all the sections for that mission sadly
Rdr2 is still better than games made today if you think rdr2 was a masterpiece just wait for gta 6 that’s gonna be a whole a whole a new great white shark or whale
So the game still never fully explained what happened during the blackwater heist and also never showed how agent ross took John's family. How are yall happy with that?
@@BrinkPink are you mentally challenged? RDR2 is supposed to answer all the questions we had from RDR. But now since releasing RDR2 we now have even MORE questions about the games story, if you don't see an issue with that you either have a learning disability or you're dumb.
@@SpuddyWesker are you mentally challenged? No matter how much garbage you inhale from rockstar you still look at them with a big smile? You do realize rockstar only cares about money and people like you falling for it is the reason why they'll never stop
thanks so much for watching! uhm maybe? For now I got alot of things im tryin to do all at once while learning the hard way and my heads spinnin a bit. Im pretty much self taught with all this stuff, one man show, my no scripts rule and all that. really appreciate the offer tho my dude
It adds a lot when you haven’t played it for ages and forget all of rdr2s abysmally convenient writing, shoehorning in the worst characters for the epilogue, making John ugly on purpose aaaand waiting till the end of the game for him to act anything resembling John Marston 😂 Rdr1s storytelling was just light years ahead of the sequel lmao
holy moly somebody with some sense lmao i like rdr2 as a game but it’s a terrible prequel. it’d be a fine standalone story if they didn’t force it to connect to rdr1 though. like seriously, taking that throwaway line about dutch killing heidi mccourt and conjuring up the blackwater ferry job adds absolutely nothing to the story and just character assassinates john by making him look like a moron for buying a plot of land 5 inches away from the town he & his gang committed such a bloody crime in that it can only be described as a “massacre” then the shit with the whole revenge is bad “””message””” that they try to pretend was the theme of the series all along by having the extremely out of character revenge mission to kill micah being the sole reason for the events of the first game happening when in rdr1 john is decidedly uninterested in taking revenge on bill javier & dutch and in fact doesn’t want to go after them period. but nah not anymore john must’ve played dishonored in 1906 and took the “revenge solves everything” tagline to heart. it’s all just really dumb and disappointing
Hey all, holy Sh*t ya know when you put everything into something youre making, theres always a fear no one will enjoy it, or even like it outside of yourself.
I am STILL working on a follow up, should be out this week, or soon.
cant thank yall enuff for the love this video is getting.
Ive got alot cookin, hope youll stick around for the fun! ❤
Honestly I can’t believe people will still say gta 5 is better I wouldn’t put any of the gta games over rdr1 nevermind 2
Rdr1 has a better story and characters while also focusing more on survival mechanics, hunting, collecting herbs, etc. I think gta has a better traversal system and is more fun because there's no moral dilemma of killing innocence and causing havoc
The only one that actually compares is IV.
This is cap the story and details with GTAIV and the DLC TLAD and TBoGT were excellent writing and rockstars best work
@@Gandalfthegoldenbird how you gonna forget SA when that is peak GTA
Besides GTA 4 there's no other GTA better than rdr1 and 2, those who say that GTA 5 is better are probably 12 years old kids who don't even know about the western genre and don't even want to give it a try because they don't have mobile phones or cars in red dead...but it's incomparable riding a horse throughout a beautiful landscape with driving a car through an American metropolis, and I'm not saying that GTA 5 (story mode) is a bad game, it's just that is very overrated, and when it's about GTAO things are a lot worse
Did you put a graphics mod on this gameplay or has it always looked this good?
no mods for rdr1, its just on an xbox and i upscaled the footy in my editor!
Fun fact: 150,000$ in today’s money would be almost 5.5 million dollars
Fun fact, a Mauser C96 pistol cost only $35 in 1899 in real life, but it costs $250.00 in the game.
Also 20:00 In Rdr2 when Arthur returns to horseshoe overlook to meet Strauss after contracting TB to retrieve the debt, Strauss is surrounded by flying Vultures.
Rockstar has some amazing writers, they obviously did not have RDR2 planned when they made RDR1, but they had the whole script solidly written that they were able to write a compelling prologue that lines up with everything.
Bro they write the entire story before making the games
I love the conversation between the old women after playing the second game. Dutch in the second game is constantly trying to spin the public into sheep following a corrupt government, unaware that they're going into the slaughterhouse. However, the first thing we see in the first game is the two women talking about how corrupt the political scene is, immedietly showing us that the world Dutch was trying to sell isn't representative off how things are. I also think the pastor saying that Jenny need only to come to him is also a reflection of Dutch. They both present themselves as moral arbitors, despite both being wrong. Sets up the themes in the first game about Dutch and Ross being very similar pretty well.
no such thing as 'corruption'...
I never made these conections. God, this game's writing has so many layers.
It needs to be remade in an engine the quality of 2's. I would pay triple price for it. The game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling.
There's so much heart in RDR that it pains me to think that RDR2 is likely the last title Rockstar will produce with any real soul to it. Obviously GT6 hasn't been released yet, and for sure there's every chance that game's story might have some real heart to it. But GTA Online set such a horrible precedent in terms of what's most profitable that my hopes are not high and I sincerely believe that we've seen the last of R*'s genuine storytelling at least as far as original stories go.
Tbh I think GTA Online just didn’t have the same level of writers for it. Because while yes it was the money maker, they knew that no matter what the story was people would play it. But even GTA5 story is very well done, I think it’s probably just below GTA4 with the red dead games on top. But it’s still very clear with Red Dead 2 that at least for that game they still cooked up one of the best games of all time with one of the best stories. So I don’t think we should lack faith, because the same people who wrote GTA 5 wrote Red Dead 2. Two completely different types of stories.
Bill wanted John so bad.
Poor feller
loooool hahahaaa
How does this not have more views?!
yah gotta start somewhere, thanks for the kind words friend!
@@BrinkPinkno such thing as 'change' RDR1 or well... primarily Dutch argues against it. (this also includes 'corruption' - & the subset to this, which is the absolute determination of 'right & wrong')
Yeah I played rdr 1 back in like 2012 and loved it. Replayed it multiple times. I’ve replayed rdr 2 like 3-4 times. Coming back to rdr 1 after playing rdr / makes everything so much more emotional, especially the Dutch cliff confrontation
absolutely, it adds so much. R* did alot with dutch's last words for 2, will be doin a video on it, should be out after the one coming up soon!
thanks so much for watching friend, I know its just words but really to anyone you watching this video till the end it means the world to me!
it really does, thanks so much yall ❤️
Bonnie is continually one of the most entertaining characters in the story, the way her preconceptions interact with everyone and her tough but sensible and caring demeanor is hard to get tired of.
bonnie is the best!
In regard to the crows. Crows in film and literature are common symbols for death. Not only is their appearance sinister, but they are also common carrion eaters and will frequently pick at any dead animal, humans included. Crows particularly like to eat the eyes out of dead creatures. They became common symbols for death and danger and no where else is that more common in westerns.
The perched crows on the grave represent the death of the gang and it’s members. The crows perched at the fort in the first game are simply a visual representation of the danger John is walking into. If the crows are already nesting there in numbers then it means there’s a steady supply of food for them (ie dead bodies)
That bill line is actually in the game in the mission “spare the rod, spoil the bandit”
i knew it wasnt in the prologue! okay very cool its in game, couldnt remember
I was about to say this
there was also a jack mission near the end called “spare the love, spoil the son”
Im doing exactly this now! It is awesome to see the parallel stories coincidence so well from 2 to 1 so good. I played 2 when it came out but now have replayed it 4 times in the last couple months and have just now finally got rdr1 and am loving how well they crafted this story and world.
Do yourself a favor and check out the online mode for 1 as well. You can play as Dutch, Javier, and Bill, as well as Red from Red Dead Revolver, and you can also ride bulls and zebras. It was amazing.
RDR2 is simply a Piece of Art to those of us who truly see this masterpiece & all of the love, hard work & dedication that has been put into it. I don't even [play on it pc right now just my PS5 & the graphics are still breathtaking. Since 2018 when it came out to today in 2024 there are still videos or articles everyday about new things found in the game to philosophical tales and comparisons or just the lucky few who have just discovered this game. RDR2 is one of those very rare games that people, including myself, would trade a lot of "Gold Bars" to just experience this game for the 1st time again.
Archer Fordam deserves a lot of respect at least when compared to his partners ans hugher ups. He was simply doing his job and didn't seem to take any joy in what they did to John and when it was all over he was respectful to John and i believe he was fully intent on honoring their deal and never seeing John again but Ross had other plans. Another detajl is I think he may have not been present during the beachers Hope raid. There is an agent standing in the firing squad outside rhe barn that is wearing a similar suit but its not 100% clear if it is him or not so depending on the facts there He might have even objected to the plan and staged out of it.
dude 270 something subs????? totally thought this was some 10k channel's vid at least. great, GREAT video and congrats for lucking out algorithmically. looking forward to more
thanks so much, im grateful for every view! im just happy to see people enjoying what I make, its an honor
yah always gotta start somewhere..
youd know, took that real bad case of luck in stride, and with spurs that jingle jangle you made it all the way to yes man
Fun fact: you can encounter a man who took part in the massacre of the Wapiti Tribe in chapter 2 of the second game.
He can be found in a random camp encounter, east of Valentine out in the plains, or at least that's where I found him.
He goes into some detail about the conditions of the camp and the things the soldiers did, which I found absolutely fascinating because I think he's actually the only living witness to the atrocity you can find anywhere in the game... Everyone else is either long dead, or understandably doesn't feel a massive urge to come out and confess what happened and what they did.
At the end of the encounter he fades off to sleep in a drunken stupor, I assume this is the part where many would kill him for what he did, but I just walked away, he wasn't at fault for what happened, and leaving him with the guilt and the memories is a far more fitting punishment... If he were awake, he'd probably want you to put him out of his misery. Which is exactly why I didn't.
and if you loot him, he has a old native american ring on his person! its a unique item as well, adds to it all I think. The soldier never sold it, instead he held onto it for the rest of his life...
until he met me that is lol
@@BrinkPink and this wasn't a recent thing either, the camp and it's remains are meant to be YEARS old in the game's lore.
I can't remember when exactly but I wanna say the remains are over 10 years old.
Arthur got jumpscared by Abigail 26:05
Why is Abigail always creeping behind people
Man, i was scared of her, too. Lol, i was like, if i was in John's shoes, i would be sleeping in one eye open
i remember on my first playthroughs of both games, i was the 13 and i am so grateful my first experience with the series was in chronological order. my mind was blown by all the little details i picked up on and how cool it was that those things were basically backwards engineered for the story, wonderfully so
When this game dropped in 2010 there was genuinely nothing like it. When I was a kid playing Red Dead Revolver I had no idea the impact the series would eventually have on me. I genuinely couldn't believe back in 2010 that graphics could ever get better. It still holds up VERY well today.
Hearin Bill trying pretty hard to string some kind words together while severely sloshed on liquor is funny but sorta wholesome. Like he’s no a charmer but he’s tryin
theres a big double meaning, that most people take as just a joke...
when talking about how John is dutch's favorite disciple, bill then goes to say, "...look I love liquor, but liquor...dont love me."
john lights up, laughing and says "I know whatchu mean."
I love that so much, essentially what Bill (and the writers of R*) are tryin to say here is this:
Like bill and the whole gang, we all love dutch. but Dutch? he doesnt love us all the same back, if at all.
thats awesome, and its hidden away in Bill's drunken stupor
@@BrinkPink wow I didn’t even pick up on that. Clever lad
You are super underrated bro I subbed to you. Can't wait to see what you'll make next!
cant wait for more content brother 🙏
thanks so much!
Let me be your 130 sub. Great video. I'm surprised you don't have way more..
Only part that I'd disagree with is the old ladies on the train. That is actually the natives being converted to Christianity. the oil was basically already the governments. Those are the real reasons for the expression "And that's how the West was won" Getting rid of the remaining gangs was a bonus
Roger Clark is narrating a new book, as Arthur, releases August 6th. Called Red Dead Histories. It will tell us the history behind what we where playing in the games. Should be an interesting read. I've got mine pre booked lol
interesting! my point for the natives were how R* used what the old ladies were saying for the many native story beats of RDR2, and 1 has some moments too.
We still dont know some areas, like outside of Macfarlane's Ranch in hennigan's stead we have mescalero, what we can assume to be an old native settlement or area.
Not much to go on in either games sadly? but it probably didnt end well for them.
Dude this is a killer video. Great job on it
what red dead 2 adds to the original Red Dead Redemption's Prologue, and as a whole is nothing short of magnificent, see yall next video...
and thanks for 110 subs ❤
I think the blue jay when building the house was Arthur
As far as I'm concerned, the most compelling connection between one and two is when Ross and Milton confront Arthur while he's fishing with Jack. Ross says 'enjoy your fishing, kid, while you still can'. 15 years later, that same kid shoots Ross dead while he himself is fishing.
I agree with you, them meeting up at a river is awesome, but sadly the fishing part is a minconception, Ross isnt fishing, hes in fact shooting quail...
Which is something John told his son, Jack theyd do in the coming season, just as Edgar Ross and an army arrives at Beecher's Hope during the end of RDR1...
Ross is also, horrible at shooting quail.
Essentially Ross is literally doing (poorly) something you were supposed to do with your father, he even robbed you of that the bastard.
I just thought, the "only angels can fly" line is quite interesting, as it shows a refusal of change from the priest. Shows there isn't as much difference between people as it may seem.
TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THIS CHANNEL HE DESERVES MORE SUBS
i didn't think you still looked at new comments, many don't
Gutes Video mach weiter so
Good video bro
Lmfao I'm so glad youtube recommended me this, the intro was great
What console did you play capture rdr1 on? It looks awesome
I’m assuming PC, no way that’s on a console
like i said in the other comment, this is on console, upscaled on my editin software!
my old stuff looks rougher before I figured it all out
@@BrinkPink wow , I’m shocked.
@@BrinkPink nice job then, looks better than my pc😂
lol thanks haha
Bro how are you not viral your videos are tuff 💯‼️
When you put all the prologue again and you played (and replayed) RDR2 it makes a lotta sense and makes a full circle to the some little interesting details on your journey at the end at the wild west, while like you said, thinking that on the first game at the moment t'was just a remake structure of the Red Harlow adventure with the western spaghetti influences, simply amazing
That thing about power reminded me of the megadeth song symphony of destruction that goes ''You take a mortal man and put him in control watch him become a god watch peoples heads a-roll a-roll just like the pied piper led rats though the streets we dance like marionettes swaying to the symphony of destruction acting like a robot its metal brain corrodes you try to take its pulse Before its head explodes.
You try to take his baaªªaawwllss
@@JakubBlasko Cmon now dont be mean to the legend that is dave mustaine:(
@@youdontneedtoknow106 hes an impeccable guitarist bt his vocals arent too good
@@JakubBlasko Wym his singing is awesome! better then Metallica
@@youdontneedtoknow106 megadeth is better than metallica bt daves singing is unbearable aside from killing is my buisness rust in peace and youthanasia alsoi never even mentioned metallica
Awesome video man, love your passion for these incredible games
appreciate the kind words there friend
I don't know why they've never done a re-release with all the cut sense and challenges they couldn't fit in for time and money
32:13 I think that vulture is Micah.
could be!
In my opinion, Jenny's quote about not knowing the difference between a loving act and a hateful act is a testament to her innocence, naivety, and lack of real world experience. We learn how naïve and sheltered she truly is later on as she believes she can survive in the desert with no food or water on God's faith alone. She has never experienced true hate or evil, or the realities of danger and the harshness of nature and survival. She is a simple religious girl of the Church, who likely grew up sheltered under the close watch of her parents and the Church administration. She may hear of and read of bad things that occur in the world but has no concept of them, or experience of bad and hateful things being done to her.
In contrast, that is all John has ever known. He has seen evil and been evil himself many times throughout much of his life. He knows what humans and the natural world itself are capable of. To hear such a naive quote must make his eyes roll, because he surely can differentiate between evil and hateful actions, and love and good actions.
Of course there are instances where these lines become blurred, and revenge can be pursued from a place of hate towards the instigator and love for those who suffered at their hands, but these are specific instances. Generally, John could very easily tell Jenny what the difference is between hate and love, and what hateful people are truly capable of.
Bro said That Bonnie 😅😅
I'd make her real happy that bonnie
Man this is one of the best red dead videos I’ve ever seen. I’ve been playing these games for years and never thought of a lot of these connections
i never even considered the ferry was so important
and I replayed this 5 times
If they talk about this in RDR1 imagine RDR3 before the Ferry Heist
John was so uncomfortable on that train.
need a prequel leading to the Blackwater heist
Just watched this after finishing the prologue on RDR1 after doing my third run on RDR2 and I have to say I think you've hit the nail on the head. I was quite blown away with the amount it gave me to reflect on.
(Especially the first conversation with marshall Johnson!)
Would LOVE to see a series on the context of 2 in 1 or maybe other segments that you feel are noteworthy!
Really enjoyed the video my dude, your commentary was great and I thought the way you put it all together was fantastic!
subscribed and looking through your library now!
This is why the internet was made 🍿🙏
So I am not the only one who noticed this
WELCOME BROTHER, thats why I wanted to make this video! lol
Sorry to all Sadie fans, but Bonnie is the greatest female character of the all saga to me. Dude, pls do a vídeo expeculating what happened with Sadie after de rdr1 ending. There's a real debate if she gets married with that guy from the ranch or not at her final. cutscene.
When you said the thing about flying and Arthur i thought you were going to mention You literally Fly As Morgan In RDR2 in A Mission just sayin.
hah, oh yeaaaaa right the hot air balloon
@@BrinkPink Apologies Two Weeks Late and Happy To See i got a comment back! And Yea esp i think that even plays so much stronger seeing how he was was of the few in the vander lin gang to fly
Cant believe the Agents found out about Micah. How?
well Arthur told him "don't look back" he did, Mac & Davey prob told the same thing before dying(in Blackwater) then he came back to Dutch rather then Ran off
first video I have seen of yours. Keep up the good work :)
thanks alot, Appreciate ya!
As l recall red dead jenny also die if you ignore her quest
They made all this progress in story telling and presentation and gameplay just to abandon it and tell us that GTA6 is going to be underwhelming and more like gta v. I’m done with rockstar
Dude, out of the video essays and analyses out there, this really is my favorite. Even with how meticulously edited some of them can be, with big fancy scripts, this one scratched the literary-and-narrative itch that others couldn’t. I actually love the unscripted nature of your video. Makes it sound like a lecture and I mean that in a good way. It’s got me thinking about trying to make videos like these. I’ve been wanting to upload video essays for years. I’ve written scripts and filmed them but was just never satisfied with the flow. This was very eye-opening.
Please make more videos. Subscribed.
Wouldn't mind seeing RDR1 getting a remake with modern graphics and more side activities and customization options (similar to RDR2). Would be GOTY.
The "Arrogant son of a bitch" line is actually in the base game. It's in the mission "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Bandit" when you run into Bill again.
Great video
thanks so much!
29:30
I’m pretty sure he said that the next time the 2 saw eachother, when John was with the Marshall
I think with jenny and the angels cant fly bit i feel thats more of just a light misogynistic priest discounting a news story because he heard it from a woman the interpretation about people and angels feels like a stretch.
Also fyi when they say savages they're talking about natives its what they called them as an element of dehumanisation.
Which also puts a spotlight on the pastor talking about people and savages like they still think theyre not worthy of heaven even though the natives dont personally care about christianity .
It calls into question that even the idea that it was even worth it to do those conversion camps aka concentration camps is up in the air that their humanity is still up for debate which is disgusting.
so you know native people are still getting prejudice. And in some cases they still are today more from government screwing over resevation land than interpersonal but those still happen too.
Anyway i feel like when thats more clearly the point of the two convos seeing these stretched meanings i dont feel they fit.
Still and interesting interpretation.
I think also the word and the civilization is the same thing is more just calling the hypocrisy of what they deem civilised even though it took tons of violence on part of settlers and the american government to makes that civilization on the bodys of tons of natives and being far more the descriptor of savage than any native tribes were to them.
I agree that the loving act and hateful act being what rdr2 goes in on though i feel thats spot on.
Okay but where you guys think the ferry took off from in the rdr1 intro? Now knowing the rdr2 map. Saint Denis? And why was he there in the first place when he lives at Beecher’s Hope?
I always assumed he just got back from whatever jail cell they were holding him in, and ross tells him they have john's family hostage. Their lives are in his hands.
I always wondered what areas the lake had out there.
Now with 2 we have all those locations, my best guess is they threw him in sisika again, and then took the ferry back to blackwater.
I just wish I could reset the story and replay it all with the open world again
ngl, i cant think rdr2 is better than the first. everything good about rdr2, I feel it just adds to the feel and story of 1.
but no gta has the strength of either. hands down
Only thing gta has better then red dead is the effort put into the multiplayer
The line about car flying is a reference to the wright flyer
You put a lot of love into this analysis. I’m glad I watched this video.
9:23 idk about angels, but it's fear that gives men wings
It’s crazy how the story of rdr1 confused me so much then after playing 2 then going back to 1 im no longer confused and im actually more than on point
Amazing Video, great work! 👍🏻
375 subs but 33k views? Bro blew up 😮💨
Holy crap, this is such a great video!
Great video man I hope to see ur channel grow
For a new youtuber your pretty good!
@@One-kf9er thanks!
I really hope they remaster Red Dead Redemption 1 and not really change anything but maybe add a few lines talking about Arthur. I think the final confrontation with John and Dutch has to mention Arthur, I think it would just make it a little more impactful.
i understand where your comin from, but the speech worked beautifully in rdr1, and with 2 R* intentionally connected the lines and speech to come together.
Changing that is too much, Arthur never exists in Red Dead 1. He wasnt created yet
pretty good video big bro 🤙
My only regret regarding RDR2 is that we never got an option to have an alternative timeliness, based on personal choices presented in the game in certain sections, that allowed Arthur to survive, even with TB into the epilouge, so we could play as him.
Some might think that's unrealistic, but look at real-life Doc Holliday, who despite his hard living lifestyle, lived for 15 years after his initial diagnosis at the age of 22, to finally die in bed with his boots off.
I hate to say it, because John was the original star of the Red Dead Redemption game and I played the original back when it first came out, but after playing as Arthur, I honestly couldn't stand playing as John afterwards.
Please don't get me wrong, John is a great character, but what I loved was Arthur's wit and how he genuinely seemed to enjoy life and had a fun side to him, whereas John seemed to be serious all the time in comparison.
But I did feel compassion for John, because by the time 1911 roles around, John truly has changed and has tried to be a better man, yet sadly as John said in the first game: "Nothing gets forgiven."
thanks so much for watching!
understandable to feel that way, but i mean John uh genuinely enjoys life and has a fun side to him...they literally copied his character, retooled it a tiny bit and created an older brother aka Arthur for RDRII lol
And honestly, Arthur is not a real happy dude. Hes described as a sullen man, sad, very often. Even by himself, or mary beth, well nearly everyone. He cant barely stomach looking at himself in the mirror.
Dutch calls him a "big shadow case behind a tiny tree." aka Arthur is a useful ally but hes dumb, simple. People think hes a blockhead, and I think thats great.
As we the player know hes not, just like John, thru Arthur's journal we can discern that for both of them.
I mean also Arthur beat a sick man, who ran a kids charity, to death...Its something John didnt do.
Arthur is the one doing strauss' dirty work, as strauss says himself no one else (including John) is willing to stoop so slow to conduct, usury is not a good look.
All those mistakes, and looking the other way with Dutch's decline are super necessary for Arthur's Redemption to be meaningful, as he didnt exist in RDR1.
So having him live after rdr2 would be a super weird choice, and definitely wouldnt fit into RDR's overall narrative and themes. Especially as Ross wouldve been hunting down Arthur too by 1910.
Arthur's sacrifice is essential for it all to at least make a little sense for continuity, its what pushes Dutch waay over the edge to the crazed man he becomes in rdr1, just as it pushes John to eternally strive to be a better man..to try and change and do whats right.
Personally I couldnt wait to play as John again, and I find the epilogue is this ultimate love letter to rdr fans.....but thats just my opinion anyway.
@@BrinkPink - I get what you're saying and in terms of continuity because you said that Ross would be hunting down Arthur Morgan as well as John.Well, you could have Arthur dying at the very end of the epilouge, sacrificing himself to take down Micah Bell. I mean, that may not be perfect, of course, but it could fit the terms of continuity as well.
Arthur's character, from his voice, to his height and build kinda remind me a little of John Wayne, who was always my favorite cowboy in cinema, and maybe that's another reason I liked Arthur more, plus if you do the Charles missions, like where you attend that gallery, when Charles gets smacked over the head by that lady with her purse, Arthur busts out laughing, whereas if you do them as John, he barely let's out a chuckle, which to me shows a huge differences in their personalities.
Man i cant wait till red dead 3 and it to be prequel, I also hope they complete jacks story but maybe in a different median instead of a full game
Awesome video! Was very surprised to see that sub count, you deserve way more dude! (i know, the algorithm sucks)
thanks so much for watchin and the kind words friend! im just tryin to do my best
What techniques were used for the slow-motion shots in this video?
standard video editing stuff from my editor!
I hope RD3 we get to play as a young Dutch, leading up to the events of this heist with the ending as the escape from the heist and leaving off right where RD2 starts.
I think you did a pretty good job at “this”right now and that’s all that matters. 🙂👍
I never had problems following charles
i meant if you walk at a normal speed, its literally impossible to hear everything charles and john haveta say,
happens in all the sections for that mission sadly
@@BrinkPink Weird.
Rdr2 is still better than games made today if you think rdr2 was a masterpiece just wait for gta 6 that’s gonna be a whole a whole a new great white shark or whale
*Redemption 2
So the game still never fully explained what happened during the blackwater heist and also never showed how agent ross took John's family. How are yall happy with that?
if you play rdr1 it answers both of those question feller, those answers are not found in the prologue but in the mid/late game
that'll be RDR3...
@@BrinkPink are you mentally challenged? RDR2 is supposed to answer all the questions we had from RDR. But now since releasing RDR2 we now have even MORE questions about the games story, if you don't see an issue with that you either have a learning disability or you're dumb.
some things don't need to be explained, there's a reason people still talk about it.
@@SpuddyWesker are you mentally challenged? No matter how much garbage you inhale from rockstar you still look at them with a big smile? You do realize rockstar only cares about money and people like you falling for it is the reason why they'll never stop
Hey would u like to join a red dead TH-camr discord server? if so respond and we can work something out. I like your videos
thanks so much for watching!
uhm maybe? For now I got alot of things im tryin to do all at once while learning the hard way and my heads spinnin a bit.
Im pretty much self taught with all this stuff, one man show, my no scripts rule and all that. really appreciate the offer tho my dude
@@BrinkPink no problem, if u wanna want the invite just email me, email is on my yt
It adds a lot when you haven’t played it for ages and forget all of rdr2s abysmally convenient writing, shoehorning in the worst characters for the epilogue, making John ugly on purpose aaaand waiting till the end of the game for him to act anything resembling John Marston 😂
Rdr1s storytelling was just light years ahead of the sequel lmao
holy moly somebody with some sense lmao
i like rdr2 as a game but it’s a terrible prequel. it’d be a fine standalone story if they didn’t force it to connect to rdr1 though. like seriously, taking that throwaway line about dutch killing heidi mccourt and conjuring up the blackwater ferry job adds absolutely nothing to the story and just character assassinates john by making him look like a moron for buying a plot of land 5 inches away from the town he & his gang committed such a bloody crime in that it can only be described as a “massacre”
then the shit with the whole revenge is bad “””message””” that they try to pretend was the theme of the series all along by having the extremely out of character revenge mission to kill micah being the sole reason for the events of the first game happening when in rdr1 john is decidedly uninterested in taking revenge on bill javier & dutch and in fact doesn’t want to go after them period. but nah not anymore john must’ve played dishonored in 1906 and took the “revenge solves everything” tagline to heart. it’s all just really dumb and disappointing