yeah there are way too many instances of this happening for all kinds of content. maybe a fat ass lawsuit will be incentive for them to fix the issue, but I doubt it
I don't understand how easy it is to copyright strike and take down videos...??? It's like anybody can do that without even having the right to do it and you lose momentum and a lot of views, and ultimately, a lot of money if someone just decides to that he or she wants to take down your content. Makes absolutely no sense.
@@lajeandom anyone can do it. does not mean they have a right to do it or will have proof that its legit. they have to take every claim as fact till they prove its not or they can get repercussion from those legit claims that get through. youtube is so understaffed and soaking up all the money they dont have people to make sure each claim is legit.
in a weird way, i think it’s comforting knowing that a billion-dollar company goes through the same customer service process as any other youtuber. we may not all be treated equally well, but it’s still cool to know we’re all treated equally like shit. 💀
He broke TH-cam's rules, got warned, kept breaking rules, got banned, and decided to take it out on...a different company and innocent content creators? What a terrible villain arc
@@ReservedSpot never said he was cool. Just saying he was good at what he did or else he wouldn't have affected that many lives. And he probably didn't use VPN because he wanted to be known. You just can't read is all.
I don't think it can be overstated just how much something like this needed to happen. Google has basically achieved Umbrella Co. levels of sketchy, and only another company had the ability (read: money) to take them to court on even ground. Kinda strange that dude decided to play Get Smart, but I'm not gonna be the one to look a gift horse in the mouth.
The fact that a million dollar gamer household name like Bungie had to go through customer service like the rest of us is hysterical and maybe what weve needed all along, YT so powerful that not one single company can go at them alone, let alone go at google. I feel like this is still the beginning....or the end of a phase
Shouldn't that be the case, though? Everyone always seems to be complaining about preferential treatment for those that have money and power and then somehow those same people call it a failure when an entity with money and power is treated the same as everyone else.
@@Beatyofeet32 too blind to see their hypocrisy. youtube monetization as a whole is unfair, its just funny they pay so little mind to anyone. nobody can really make them care, so its weird to assume they would. less work = more money.
@@Beatyofeet32 no the case should be that TH-cam improves their customer service and fix their broken system, but Google controls the flow of information on behalf of the existing liberal regime so don’t expect any sort of action to be taken against them
Hey why did you delete your Discord server that one time? I really enjoyed it. Also Kaya literally says he thinks Furries cause dog rape which is kinda disgusting. My sister is a Furry and she is underaged!
There is another similar thing happening for years now: There is this weird Australian band that put the entire Super Metroid main menu music as the background for one of their songs and put that on the content ID system. So every person that is playing the game and shows more than a few seconds of main menu music risks getting their ad revenue chopped... Oh and not so fun fact about that: The big video that brought light to the issue got taken down via copyright strike from the company that represents the band.....
This is one of those rare times that siding with Bungie, a multi billion dollar company, in the process of suing someone is actually seen as a good thing.
I always find it tough to side with mega corporations, so for this one I think I'll just be an impartial observer. Can't really defend the actions of the wanker who filed 96 fraudulent DMCA notices, but I find it just as hard to cheer for some faceless business to ruin his life.
@@jornavyr2459 yeah well at least being an impartial observer is better than the usual “hate both sides for being faceless mega corps” thing. Y’all remember when epic sued apple when epic was the one who broke the contract and all these brainlits were like “oh epic. Go epic” when both were hyper evil megacorps? That was funny.
Well, a recent lawsuit taught me that what you sue for isn't necessarily what you get. But even if this is reduced to 1 or 2 million, that bully's life is over, and deservedly so. I hope that this suit will go through and Bungie wins, so that in the future stuff like this won't happen anymore. It'd make TH-cam a more friendly place to be, because I'd be hugely surprised if this was the only anger-revenge-butthurt takedown troll.
a minor inconvenience a temporary hiccup, bungie themselves have caused more fear for these content creators careers than some guy filing copyright strikes when youtube falsely does them all the time.. bungie took this guys life away becuase they’re a broke company trying to get money wherever they can.. yes what he did was bad but 7 million fucking dollars are you serious?!!! what assets and resources did they spend to remedy this problem? NONE! they wrote a fucking email to youtube that’s it.
As if it wasn't bad enough that he would've gotten shunned by the community and his friends, he also now has to pay 8 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS... Imagine explaining that to his wife/girlfriend/parents 😭
They ought to sue TH-cam themselves. All they'd need to do is show that TH-cam is purposefully nebulous and ineffective with their systems in pursuit of greater profits, which in turn caused bungie damages - which a reasonable person could foresee happening in this way given TH-cams operational practices.
suing google is not the way to go when it comes to this situation, however it would be so nice if youtube had a reformation, it really is getting old with the bs but they can keep it going with the broken system because no other platform can (or is willing to) do what youtube does
@@Ayuima69 which will happen by its own when? you need to apply some pressure to this behemoth of a platform and it's owners/rules to finally not ignore the problems and as you said, atleast improving their systems
@@Ayuima69 I just want TH-cam to be a little bit more open on what problems they are solving, or what their process is. At least the rest of us would be a little bit more reassured that something is actually happening. Instead of silence then update.
out of all the million dollar gaming companies in this world, it feels empowering to know that Bungie is the one that relates to the common goober the most.
My favourite bit from the legal document from Bungie is "anyone foolish enough to falsely represent us" and calling TH-cams systems a abysmal labyrinth
My favorite part is that the emails he used to create the fake accounts were also found on one of the cheat sites Bungie sued for making cheats. So this guy was one of the cheaters playing Destiny as well.
@@giwdul5511 honestly that bot is nothing and I'd take that all day long compared to the terrible shit the other ones spew all over every fucking video
I came into this without any knowledge of what the situation was and was ready to be pissed at Bungie. After hearing the story, I did a complete 180 and am glad that someone's putting a fraudster like that in their place, especially if they're going to be threatening peoples' livelihoods!
@@Ellie-gp9dg imagine you work for a company just to write one article a week for a living. You do this without issue, and one week, you get accused for plagiarism with no proof, and your company refuses to pay you after the allegations, so you have no money for that week. You also have no way of proving your Innocence cause nobody in the company listens to insignificant people like that. You think missing a week's pay and doing all that work or nothing doesn't affect your livilihood? Now he did this to 50+ of your coworkers. See the issue?
5:00 Oh my god yes! I had an issue with my Pixel phone and it was pretty obvious there wasn't a human on the other end of the connection, just Google's AI pumping out search results.
As awful as this is, it really just shows how terrible TH-cams copyright system is, that it can ruin hundreds of lives and even an entire company over one angry guy. Reminds me of quantum tv, and yet TH-cam still sits there with their hand up their ass doing nothing. Pathetic
Best is they never do anything to solve real problems , guys making death threats, recording themselves with guns and actually harrasing people, they will hit you with the ' this doesn't infringe TH-cam policies " you can upload a dead person and TH-cam will put it on trendin_ is pathetic
The fact that TH-cam couldn’t help a massive company, aka the main demographic that TH-cam serves, just goes to show they are not only money driven, but genuinely incompetent.
If a company says that they’re “doing it for the advertisers” they’re incompetent, if they’re saying they’re “doing it for the community”, they’re money driven.
Im pretty sure youtube doesn't actually net that much profit if any at all. i think the advertising money goes to server upkeep and creators and little to none go to google. They are using it to work on their neural nets and various AI.
I mean it's because there's no legal obligation for TH-cam to do anything about false copyright strikes. All the DMCA/copyright laws require is for hosting sites to respond to the requests within a given time frame and remove the content. People seriously underestimate just how open ended the copyright laws are. Content hosting sites aren't required to ensure the validity of take down requests. They're only required to act upon the requests so long as the requester provides the most basic of information like this guy did and all TH-cam is required to do is say "Yep, the information they gave matches the information of who represents this company's IP rights." and approve the take down.
You can’t claim you’re making a point while simultaneously pretending to be the victim. That’s like a fireman starting a building fire then putting it out pretending to be a hero and when he’s caught he says I just wanted to show how dangerous hot stuff can be. It’s ridiculous
“Bungie went through customer service and didn’t get the issue solved for days” not only does this story show how broken their copyright system is but it shows how incompetent their support system is at the same time. And it’s been this way for a long time already. As for Nick, he simply played with fire and got burned. He also stabbed a lot of people in the back as well, so he’s pretty much getting back the karma he deserves.
yeah TH-cam really needs to get their shit together and change the support system and copyright system. And the sad thing is they might only change it now since it involves a company.
bro he didn't "play with fire" lol he straight committed self-immolation and did a scumbag piece of shit thing after getting mad about his channel being disabled, even tho he was literally doing something against copyright law in the first place (music stuff), and then hurt a bunch of creators who had nothing to do with the situation? definitely getting what he deserved lol
I would like to remind people that Bungie allows all its creators to do a lot of things.They literally have a rule where 80% of your video could be just their content and then you can just speak random bullshit for the rest 20 % and they will allow it.Thats how much they love their community and by far they have the most flexible creator friendly rules.ALSO the soundtrack that Nazo got banned for is allowed to be played in the backround of videos and for everything,you just cant upload it as a song.This guy could have just added backround gameplay of him dying in pvp and he would be completly fine
Hell one of the people they mention was wrongly struck, Promethean, would take recordings in game of the ost so you got the 15-30 minute experience of it instead of the compressed 4 minute samples in the official OST. And this was allowed. Look at his version of First Disciple vs the one on the official Destiny TH-cam channel, for example
@@m05513 It was also either him or another channel that would take the painstaking time of finding the music in the channel files, which had multiple instrumental files depending on the situation (reaching a certain part of the map, in battle, out of battle, etc), and *pieced them together* so you could listen to the entire song as it was meant to be heard. All for archival purposes, and they loved the game and its music that much.
@@iasomnium919 yeah the destiny OST community is insane like that. And to think this pathetic excuse of a human tried to pass himself off as one of them. He probably would have gotten to keep his uploads with almost no effort too, considering how much is cut from the official OST, but he couldn't even do the bare minimum. 7.6 million is too kind for him.
I’m so glad bungie actually faces problems, first they attack and take down cheats and people who make cheats, and now this. I respect bungie actually putting their foot down when other companies wouldn’t do shit
Been following this since the original takedown wave. One fun fact you missed, once the TH-camr's name came out, some people in the community started cross-referencing his account with lists of people involved in a large cheating lawsuit. Turns out, he was likely a cheater in Destiny 2. Overall an absolute POS.
@@brandoncook6190 absolutely, yes, it is wrong, no matter how much of a piece of shit the kid is, do they deserve punishment? Yes absolutely, but abduction is too far
Not even two minutes in, I understood what' s this story was about, and that I already knew everything about it.... Yet. I stayed for the rest of the video, because your spin of it was refreshing, mysterious, and well made, it definitely felt like a take of the situation I never saw before, wd and keep on!
My big Q here: why does it take so much for youtubers to get verified, but any random schmuck instantly impersonate a company and fraudyright claim anything on youtube? I feel there should be a verification process for copyright claims
i feel like they should do ID verification or something, seeing as it's a legal process, especially since disputing a strike already doxes the owner of the affected video
@@dopesickdog and more importantly, the side that should have their info shown to the other should be the striker, not the strikee, until the strikee says "I'm not taking down the video, take me to court"
Because lets say you make an album by yourself and dont have a youtube presence or account of any kind, and then you find out someone else is using your content without permission here. How do you prove that you are the real copyright holder in any satisfactory way and get the offenders removed without being stonewalled by the identification process? Its easy to prove you are who you say you are maybe, but harder to prove digitally that you have the authority for the copyright claim. So it has the potential to be just as frustrating on the opposite end for someone being taken advantage of. So the solution is much more complex and theyve opted to make it easier for the strikers than the strikees
11:40 I am one of these other music uploaders affected by this mess. I tought Bungie had started a massive crackdown on OST channels, so i removed all of my Destiny 1 AND Destiny 2 music videos... for nothing. They had millions of views.
this is the same energy as the TV reporters who interview strangers about a killing, when it turned out the person they're interviewing is actually the killer all along lol
If you’re interested in watching a good video on the person this is referring to, look up “The Bizarre Case of Stephen McDaniel” by JCS, I watched it before and it’s a great video (yt deleted my comment with a link to the video)
Would be great if anyone who has ever been unfairly copy right struck could join in on this lawsuit and make it a big class action against TH-cam. They might not win, but it might incentivize TH-cam to update and improve the copyright system and strike process
Just, holy hell. After all this time the little guys are getting their revenge, but this time not on their own but with A massive company. Honestly this is well deserved
This honestly feels like one of the those movies were some guy leaves a trail of destruction thinking he's doing the right thing or its all for the greater good, only the realize come the end that he's entirely lost his way and the damage he's caused is irreversible. Many of music videos that got hit were of music that was never given an official public release from Bungie and the creators who uploaded them were doing it as a means of sharing such music with the Destiny community. But now their gone and we don't even know if they'll come back at all.
He played the game of 'fluck around and find out' against Bungie and lost. He went in saying "never tell me the odds!" and got destroyed before he reached the finish line. This is by far the most hilarious thing I have seen in a long while and I couldn't be happier.
It WOULD have been, if he didn't do it in the most foolish way possible, by practically telling them all exactly how he did it step by step under the guise of "I bet you he did it like this". I mean, there's a difference between being able to know the mind of the perpetrator, and somehow knowing every last minute detail of how they committed the crime to an uncanny degree. "So, he was sitting there at his computer, probably just got finished watching a rerun of Rick and Morty, season 2 episode 4, wearing size nine Nikes, with a red and white stripped polo and some gray dickies... but not the knew kind of dickies, the old kind. You know the kind I'm talking about, the ones that had that little strip of stitching across the knee and the extra pocket on the lower left back pant leg? Then he took a drink from his extra large Coca Cola he had gotten from McDonalds about three hours and 23 minutes ago which was kind of starting to go flat and watered down from the melted ice, as he began to open up his Mozilla Firefox browser to pull up TH-cam, which was still out of date two versions because he didn't like some of the new Firefox UI features they had implemented in the previously released version..."
Companies should be fined, per day, for not providing real human customer service. I'm tired of having to go to social media backlash to get some damn customer service.
I feel there's a balance between bot and human interaction, and youtube just went full bot. Getting a bot response can work for a time but it can only do so much. Asking to speak to a real person, or being able to escalate to a real person, should always be an option, bots still can't tell images apart, let alone deal with many of the fake copyright notices. I remember them introducing 'youtube heroes' where you could moderate channels, and my first thought was 'they're so bad at taking care of their own company, they're asking their userbase to do their job for them.
@@JadeAnnabelArt TH-cam doesn't make money, and has a billion minutes of content uploaded daily, how do you plan on paying people to cover that much content? It's not possible and easy to see that if you had any sort of "critical" thinking skills.
@@BudMasta excuse me, did you just say “TH-cam doesn’t make money”? Are you serious? What do you think ads are for? TH-cam makes tons of money (Also they are owned by Google, so they could always get money from there). They can definitely hire a large team of human moderators. And they don’t have to moderate every single minute of every single video, just videos that receive content reports and copyright strikes. Funny how you’re saying that the other person has no critical thinking skills.
@@katzabar it feels pretty niche in comparison to how mainstream it initially was or to other more well known game franchises, but i guess 1 mil+ sales on a single expansion can't really be considered niche at that point
Fr. All I saw was Datto, Aztecross, and many other Destiny TH-camrs talking about this. But I was surprised to see moist cover it too(I suppose it's because he is also a Destiny player). But yeah, this case has had a profound effect on not just the Destiny community, but the youtuber community too.
it's not about destiny. BUNGIE has been a big name before destiny. Most people know bungie from Halo more than destiny. It's not really that surprising that one of the largest popular developers is being covered by popular youtubers lol
"Nothing good happened here, to anybody" You'd think that maybe..just maybe... TH-cam would finally open their eyes to how toxic they are in regards to their policies.
Fun Fact: Submitting a complaint via regular channels is 3-30 days depending on the business/industry. Submitting a complaint via social media by directly calling out the business nets you a turnaround time of 48-72 hours.
That's extremely fucked, but I see why. If you go through the backends of a business, nobody else sees the complaint you're submitting, and thus they don't have to care. When you show it to the whole world to see, they have to fix that shit immediately or else they stand to lose business.
Social media managers are blamed if shit goes sideways on Twitter, trends, and its not dealt with promptly. Lawsuit pops up? Well that's money involved, CEO/shareholders panick and the lawyers get a call to go full find-a-b*tch. TH-cam's bot support has no one to blame other than the CEO for making their "support" work that way, abd they sure as heck won't officially take that blame, so there's just silence.
Important additional note to this story. Lord Nazo was a part of a subset of the Destiny community that uploads music to TH-cam. Most of Destiny's music isn't published by Bungie, so there is a dedicated community of people who will take tracks from the game and edit them into listenable versions that get posted to TH-cam. Lord Nazo was communicating with other members of the same community while he was on his striking spree, absolutely wild scenario. He also would have been totally fine if he hadn't been posting some of the *only* music that Bungie actually published officially. Funny tidbit is that he might have gotten away with it if he hadn't swung too big. Bungie didn't really start taking action until they realized that one their biggest, most brand safe creators ( Aztecross) got hit by a strike that made absolutely no sense.
Byf was one of the first ones hit iirc, and he immediately brought it up to Bungie, who than started to investigate. I don't think that Aztecross was the sole reason, I don't think there was a sole reason other than that Nazo started to do this in the first place. Bungie has always placed a huge focus on their community, and puts in a huge amount of work to protect the community. They are constantly doing charity drives, community interactions, community spotlights, creator spotlights, and have open communication with the community. They even have public employee spotlights to celebrate their staff, and according to glassdoor, this isn't just base level PR. Bungie seems to honestly really care about their people. So someone impersonating them and ruining their community focused image was going to get slapped, even if they avoided some of the biggest names.
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
TH-cam as a company has been a joke for some years now. The copyright system is broken, even fake companies claim many videos even from the people who actually own the content, the coding on the site is always so buggy, and even high end companies and youtubers have a hard time getting in touch with anyone. The only reason I am still here is to watch people like you, Charlie. Screw the company I am here for the creators who actually make an effort.
As someone rather on the smaller side of TH-cam who does upload Destiny content, it was a scary few days of watching Destiny content creators get striked and possibly losing their channels. Anyone's livelihood could've just been gone, and those were the big boys. But when Bungie themselves got hit as well, that's when the story got absolutely wild because just... how? However, then seeing Bungie's massive support for its community is so loving, while TH-cam's joke of system is so sad.
@@codafett bungie treat their community better than 90% other company. Not like bungie is the best but one of good one. They still listen to community.
I still don’t know why TH-cam doesn’t make you provide proof that you own the copyright before they’ll just funnel money to random people that make a claim.
You know, this person is absolutely crazy. However, their actions causing Bungie to have issues with TH-cam might actually result in a positive change in the system, hopefully.
Not really otherwise they'd be suing TH-cam for the 7.6 million $ Personally i want to see big tech duke it out with eachother if we're not getting antitrust breakups / class actions
@@Zuignap "Our support systems we have in place suck? Our copyright system is heavily biased and flawed? Can't reach our department heads easily?" * Breaks dislike button *
First off, I think Bungie should still sue TH-cam for allowing this shit to happen and not having anything in place to verify that Nick was CsC or whatever company. A single person should not be able to emulate an entire company and cause this kind of shit storm but TH-cam is going to act like suing this dude (which they aren't even doing) is enough and nothing needs to be changed, when clearly a SINGLE PERSON can shut down a plethora of content. Yes, an example is made but people with nothing to lose don't give a solitary fuck, they'll do this shit anyways if they just wanna fuck over a company for a week and then the content creators get fucked in the process. This goes beyond just using a little ditty that's blocked like a titty, this shit is unacceptable and as a company better measures need to be taken, they have the coin and they can expand support so someone should bring this shit to their attention cause they're still not seeing it.
It's so funny to me that TH-cam is literally a part of Google, by far one of the biggest companies in the world, every single browser like Brave and Opera GX use the google search engine, and they can't even manage to get a support team. Even Doordash has better support than TH-cam. It's actually mind blowing that they can think its okay, after all this time. Its been at least a decade this has been an issue. And they couldn't give less of a shit than they currently do. I absolutely despise every company who's "support" is just a link to commonly asked questions, because if my question was commonly asked, I wouldn't be using their support lmao. For me support is a last option compared to simply searching an issue up.
But even if Bungie were to sue TH-cam I don’t think it would even accomplish much, since Bungie loses, I mean as big as Bungie is, there is no way they are getting past the fat stack of lawyers that TH-cam owns not to mention they Google is TH-cam’s parent company, they’ll just run Bungie’s money out to dry at least I think.
I went in circles with Amazon account support trying to get my password changed until I finally got sick of it and closed my account. It isn't just TH-cam.
honestly I wish bungie could have the funds to sue TH-cam to encourage more of a response to its creator and help, especially during this quantum tv saga that is still unresolved and its crazy how Susan will bow down to big corps when threatened and yet does nothing to help the ones that actually pay their lively hood. its a food chain system that creators like Charlie are treated like bottom of the barrel ants.
Lemme tell ya something. TH-cam is a huge loss for google. It doesn't even break even. This is why there will never be an alternative. The only reason google keeps the lights on is because this is the biggest pool of information for algorythms to learn from in the world. They don't really care about the creators.
@@imyourmaster77 can you link me to some of that information... Im making a video and doing content on just this topic. If you would be able to share me with whatever you have/know it would be a huge help... If you want ill share my socials to connect... 🙏
@@imyourmaster77 Where did you get info about youtube being loss for google? Logically it could explain why there is no competition in video hosting but i would be interested in real data\arguments.
This is like leaving a loaded gun in a playground and getting mad when a child picks it up and shoots someone. I'd argue that the majority of fault is on TH-cam's end for absolutely refusing to fix what has been a known problem for years.
This isn't a case of a child though, it's if a grown adult did that, both parties are to blame, but the adult is more to blame as they pulled the trigger
@@infernostormy2985 they are both equally to blame, if TH-cam fixed the system and didnt neglect creators, it wouldn’t have happened. If the individual didn’t exploit the system, it wouldn’t have happened.
@@tserra529 Bungie has always been very community focused, obviously this hurts the trust they have with the community a lot, so they took action. there arent many other studios that would do the same as bungie did, beeing open to the issue and suing the shit out of bad actors
They're not protecting the creators, they're protecting their reputation, content creators are bungie's leverage, as content creators spread the word of bungie's product basically for free, business as usual.
I'm glad Nick is getting what he deserves. I also heard about that story and I can't blame Bungie. They only wanted to take down TH-cam content creators who basically Copy and Paste their sound track and everything because the sound tracks are copy righted which is illegal and then that bozo going on a rampage.
Yeah i get that it shouldn't be allow to simply copy-paste sound track that are copyrighted but what annoying me is when you want to play a game that has copyright music in it you CAN NOT play the game with music on if you plans on uploading it to youtube because you'll get hit by the Content ID bull crap. Imo, it make absolutely no sense that your videos can be hit by "Content ID" while playing the very game the musics have been injected in. Right now i can't play any music or vfx sound track in Need For Speed Hot Pursuit ReMastered because of this dumb reason.
@@The_Worst_Warlock That doesn’t mean their mixing of the tracks are complete or the best available version. Its a problem for example with FF7 Remake’s official soundtrack because it is lacking a lot of tracks and complete versions or extended versions but the copyright owners (SquareEnix) constantly nuke every video of it on the platform via bots/content id/manually, so no extended version, no remixes, no covers, no different mixing of audio, nothing. You either buy the incomplete product or play and capture the game without audio if you want the missing tracks and mix it yourself.
I feel like bungie should sue TH-cam instead of this dude. TH-cam literally took down multiple videos all because youtube wouldn't take the time to make sure that the copyright claims were real and coming from a genuine company and not some dude pretending to be one
The guy still impersonated a copyright claim company and striked videos and creators who were completely innocent, why shouldn't he be sued? He also played the victim card while stabbing his fellow destiny creators in the back and blamed it all on Bungie, it's fucking vile.
I’d see why they’d drop kick his banking account, those TH-camrs were scared stiff of losing their channel, this is a prime presentation of a company who doesn’t joke around.
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
@@brandoncook6190 Yea. But you’re allowed to be annoyed and frustrated. Maybe have someone talk to his parents? Abduction usually = r*pe so….that’s not something to wish for. But a good ol slap in the head never hurts.
What scares me the most, is not that he was a fraud, but the fact, that they could track him easly, but they had to FORCE Google to do it. Imagine a smaller content creator getting scammed and demand someone's identity to get back what he lost, and noone would bet an eye on it. It's like: you can see all the fish, but just the anglers are allowed to pull them from the lake. God help us if we do something, and then someone tracks us.
Been long but it's not a huge deal, afaik the guy used personal info when he set up the accounts used to impersonate Bungie, when you go ahead and fight to court the person issuing the takedowns YT will provide you as it must the legal info of the other party, this isn't normally done as your average joe cannot afford to take matters into court this guy just happened to decide to piss off a company with both money and lawyers to follow through the proper process.
As the other guy said, you usually have to go through police, prove there is a crime, then they get a court order to force a company to give up information. Otherwise the company is breaking the law if there is an information protection clause in the user agreements. And if that wasn't the case, that's when you would pray to God, because literally anyone could easily find whoever they wanted.
I watched this all go down and it was insane to see. Bungie is a pretty great company and let's a lot of fan creations happen. You can have 80% their content and 20% yours and they'll allow it. I remember first seeing it and I was so confused because Bungie encourages fan creations, they do videos of the week/artists of the week. They have contests for the best dressed guardians and do a lot of stuff for charity. Also giving creators spotlights, I've seen a lot of creators I didn't know about because of that. It definitely tanked their reputation badly but I'm sure they earned it back and more because of this.
Yea, Bungie is actually awesome. They had their time when D2 content Was quite thin after parting with Activision, but they got a lot better since Beyond Light and especially Witch Queen was a blast. Can't wait to see what they have in store for us now that they are owned by Sony
I like bungie but i cant stand how we have to pay for everything in games like D2. If i buy a game once i expect the future content to be free because i bought the game. I payed for witch queen but i have to pay for beyond light and all other dlc's, its too much. Not to mention the future expansions
TH-cam should be made to take some legal responsibility for having a copyright enforcement platform that is so easily abused by a random kid to the point that said kid is able to cause millions in damages to a big company and real damages to the earnings and channels of countless small streamers on the TH-cam platform.
The 2nd dumbest thing ab this is any hate the community managers got for this. Like Bungie literally encourages streamers and content creators to stream any day 1 raid and Bungie even made a promo for it. Assuming Bungie would issue content claims for gameplay is ridiculous. The only copyright they enforce is stuff their channels posts and soundtracks since there’s already a way to get those
I remember all the articles during the takedowns. Most of them just put the blame on Bungie. It was just after the announcement of the Sony acquisition too…
Check out wargaming lmao before you doubt anything. Bought a community world of warships tournament agreeing not to change anything. Presumably adding carriers and submarines at some point to it, where the tournament existed to exclude those classes. Now they are banning many of the most popular streamers in the tournament from casting it because they have said bad stuff about the company.
To add to this, the lawsuit documents also have some extra info about him that say he has several email accounts associated with the hacking and cheating lawsuit that Bungie recently went through. So not only was he impersonating CSC, but he also has been using cheats while playing Destiny 2. Pretty crazy stuff.
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Bungie struggling to contact TH-cam depicts the ultimate underlining problem of this whole situation, TH-cam
@@brandoncook6190 skill issue
@@brandoncook6190 just do it yourself lol
@@residentflamingo115 What?
That's Nazos point
This
Official Bungie TH-cam account: *Gets copyright struck by "Bungie"*
TH-cam: "Seems legit to me."
Thats what being run by bots does to a company
There are many things wrong with TH-cam. But I’m over with this.
sEeMs LEgIT tO mE
TH-cam official response: "Stop hitting yourself."
yeah there are way too many instances of this happening for all kinds of content. maybe a fat ass lawsuit will be incentive for them to fix the issue, but I doubt it
Bungie bitching about youtube customer service while having literally ZERO customer service contact themself is fucking hilarious.
You should see the dcma agents on the lego game. Horrific
The only positive thing from this situation is how even a billion dollar company got ignored by TH-cam when complaining about copyright stuff
I still feel youtube was a bigger villain than the mad teen. It's like the government killed all men because one deranged woman said men bad.
I don't understand how easy it is to copyright strike and take down videos...??? It's like anybody can do that without even having the right to do it and you lose momentum and a lot of views, and ultimately, a lot of money if someone just decides to that he or she wants to take down your content. Makes absolutely no sense.
@@ivannasha5556Bungie literally deleting payed content
@@lajeandom anyone can do it. does not mean they have a right to do it or will have proof that its legit. they have to take every claim as fact till they prove its not or they can get repercussion from those legit claims that get through. youtube is so understaffed and soaking up all the money they dont have people to make sure each claim is legit.
Based youtube for once
in a weird way, i think it’s comforting knowing that a billion-dollar company goes through the same customer service process as any other youtuber. we may not all be treated equally well, but it’s still cool to know we’re all treated equally like shit. 💀
Its both comforting and terrifying to be honest
@@particely Jews being held accountable? When the hell in history was that ever accomplished?
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 what
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 oh come on dude 🤦♂️
Lmao hall of fame hall of shame
He broke TH-cam's rules, got warned, kept breaking rules, got banned, and decided to take it out on...a different company and innocent content creators? What a terrible villain arc
No. That's a good villain. He affected a lot of lives. A bad villain wouldn't be able to go that far
And now he screwed his ENTIRE life up just because he was sad. Well deserved.
@@renegadepyro726 homie didn't even use VPN. He wanted his name to be known and remember. He got balls I'll give him that.
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 Villains aren’t cool, idolizing people who gave up ain’t the wave.
@@ReservedSpot never said he was cool. Just saying he was good at what he did or else he wouldn't have affected that many lives. And he probably didn't use VPN because he wanted to be known. You just can't read is all.
Cusses like a sailor and then randomly decides to go “it’s so unbelievably goofy” and I live for it
I don't think it can be overstated just how much something like this needed to happen. Google has basically achieved Umbrella Co. levels of sketchy, and only another company had the ability (read: money) to take them to court on even ground.
Kinda strange that dude decided to play Get Smart, but I'm not gonna be the one to look a gift horse in the mouth.
The fact that a million dollar gamer household name like Bungie had to go through customer service like the rest of us is hysterical and maybe what weve needed all along, YT so powerful that not one single company can go at them alone, let alone go at google. I feel like this is still the beginning....or the end of a phase
Shouldn't that be the case, though? Everyone always seems to be complaining about preferential treatment for those that have money and power and then somehow those same people call it a failure when an entity with money and power is treated the same as everyone else.
@@Beatyofeet32 too blind to see their hypocrisy. youtube monetization as a whole is unfair, its just funny they pay so little mind to anyone. nobody can really make them care, so its weird to assume they would. less work = more money.
@@Beatyofeet32 no the case should be that TH-cam improves their customer service and fix their broken system, but Google controls the flow of information on behalf of the existing liberal regime so don’t expect any sort of action to be taken against them
@@Beatyofeet32 maybe you misunderstood me lol thats wat im saying...its hysterical that they were treated how we as the common folk are treated
@@constructapex2021 Yeah, I wasn't sure of your stance specifically so I was just making a general comment
Wouldn't it be crazy if Bungee suing TH-cam was all part of his plan. He really would be Kira.
Hey why did you delete your Discord server that one time? I really enjoyed it.
Also Kaya literally says he thinks Furries cause dog rape which is kinda disgusting. My sister is a Furry and she is underaged!
Ayaya
@@BaitPolice thanks for your service you’re a hero
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Bungee himself 💀
There is another similar thing happening for years now: There is this weird Australian band that put the entire Super Metroid main menu music as the background for one of their songs and put that on the content ID system. So every person that is playing the game and shows more than a few seconds of main menu music risks getting their ad revenue chopped...
Oh and not so fun fact about that: The big video that brought light to the issue got taken down via copyright strike from the company that represents the band.....
rewatching this video and hearing the celtics quip with how the heat v celtics games went goes crazy
This is one of those rare times that siding with Bungie, a multi billion dollar company, in the process of suing someone is actually seen as a good thing.
What an interesting time to live in
I always find it tough to side with mega corporations, so for this one I think I'll just be an impartial observer. Can't really defend the actions of the wanker who filed 96 fraudulent DMCA notices, but I find it just as hard to cheer for some faceless business to ruin his life.
@@jornavyr2459 yeah well at least being an impartial observer is better than the usual “hate both sides for being faceless mega corps” thing.
Y’all remember when epic sued apple when epic was the one who broke the contract and all these brainlits were like “oh epic. Go epic” when both were hyper evil megacorps?
That was funny.
Uh I mean it was TH-cam's system though. Maybe sue TH-cam instead of suing some individual which will change nothing.
@@JeffGoldblum64 They're just being petty as him. Suing a broke petty guy with 2k subs will not help anyone. Suing TH-cam is.
I actually lost my channel because of this guy. Thankfully, I got it back. But, I'm still floored that this was able to happen in the first place.
I'm so glad you were able to get your channel back. 🍻
Glad you got it back you're at 70k
Thats good to hear! But yeah thats crazy this whole thing even somehow happened
you still play destiny????
@@DefinetelyNOTtheFeds the games in the best spot it’s ever been
I hate when customer support sends me to the FAQ. It never answers my questions.
Well, a recent lawsuit taught me that what you sue for isn't necessarily what you get. But even if this is reduced to 1 or 2 million, that bully's life is over, and deservedly so. I hope that this suit will go through and Bungie wins, so that in the future stuff like this won't happen anymore. It'd make TH-cam a more friendly place to be, because I'd be hugely surprised if this was the only anger-revenge-butthurt takedown troll.
1 or 7 million, hes declaring bankruptcy
He's going to Bankrupt lmao they won't see a single penny
@@Sean-MacGuire You forget that Nintendo sued a guy for about as much for a lesser crime and he's going to pay them for the rest of his natural life.
@@jesusofbullets and he bankrupt and now owes nothing lmao
a minor inconvenience a temporary hiccup, bungie themselves have caused more fear for these content creators careers than some guy filing copyright strikes when youtube falsely does them all the time.. bungie took this guys life away becuase they’re a broke company trying to get money wherever they can.. yes what he did was bad but 7 million fucking dollars are you serious?!!! what assets and resources did they spend to remedy this problem? NONE! they wrote a fucking email to youtube that’s it.
As if it wasn't bad enough that he would've gotten shunned by the community and his friends, he also now has to pay 8 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS...
Imagine explaining that to his wife/girlfriend/parents 😭
bold to assume he has a girlfriend or friends
He'll probably just file for bankruptcy or settle for a lower amount.
Numb digger
There is no way he can afford 7.6 million. What happens in that scenario? Does he just pay everything he’s got for the rest of his life?
He has to file bankruptcy as well as probably broker anything he owns as collateral for payment
They ought to sue TH-cam themselves. All they'd need to do is show that TH-cam is purposefully nebulous and ineffective with their systems in pursuit of greater profits, which in turn caused bungie damages - which a reasonable person could foresee happening in this way given TH-cams operational practices.
suing google is not the way to go when it comes to this situation, however it would be so nice if youtube had a reformation, it really is getting old with the bs but they can keep it going with the broken system because no other platform can (or is willing to) do what youtube does
A billion dollar company suing a billion company doesn't make any sense, they should just focus on improving the systems.
@@Ayuima69 which will happen by its own when? you need to apply some pressure to this behemoth of a platform and it's owners/rules to finally not ignore the problems and as you said, atleast improving their systems
Literally this
@@Ayuima69 I just want TH-cam to be a little bit more open on what problems they are solving, or what their process is. At least the rest of us would be a little bit more reassured that something is actually happening. Instead of silence then update.
out of all the million dollar gaming companies in this world, it feels empowering to know that Bungie is the one that relates to the common goober the most.
My favourite bit from the legal document from Bungie is "anyone foolish enough to falsely represent us" and calling TH-cams systems a abysmal labyrinth
My favorite part is that the emails he used to create the fake accounts were also found on one of the cheat sites Bungie sued for making cheats. So this guy was one of the cheaters playing Destiny as well.
So he deliberately had a negative view on Bungie in the first place 💀
@Kavetion do something then
@@giwdul5511 he cant, its just a lonely lil bot.
@@giwdul5511 It's a bot. Just ignore it lol
@@giwdul5511 honestly that bot is nothing and I'd take that all day long compared to the terrible shit the other ones spew all over every fucking video
I came into this without any knowledge of what the situation was and was ready to be pissed at Bungie. After hearing the story, I did a complete 180 and am glad that someone's putting a fraudster like that in their place, especially if they're going to be threatening peoples' livelihoods!
Tbh, same. Love Bungie.
@@Ellie-gp9dg he was getting peoples video taken down
@@Ellie-gp9dg if you make videos for a living and someone is making false claims against your channel then that directly threatens your livelihood
@@Ellie-gp9dg imagine you work for a company just to write one article a week for a living. You do this without issue, and one week, you get accused for plagiarism with no proof, and your company refuses to pay you after the allegations, so you have no money for that week. You also have no way of proving your Innocence cause nobody in the company listens to insignificant people like that. You think missing a week's pay and doing all that work or nothing doesn't affect your livilihood? Now he did this to 50+ of your coworkers. See the issue?
@@Ellie-gp9dg did you not watch the video
5:00 Oh my god yes! I had an issue with my Pixel phone and it was pretty obvious there wasn't a human on the other end of the connection, just Google's AI pumping out search results.
You know you’re company has dog shit customer service when the only to get issues resolved is to take them to court
Your
As awful as this is, it really just shows how terrible TH-cams copyright system is, that it can ruin hundreds of lives and even an entire company over one angry guy. Reminds me of quantum tv, and yet TH-cam still sits there with their hand up their ass doing nothing. Pathetic
I hope the fbi investigates you for copy/pasting this all over the comment section you neanderthal
@@brandoncook6190 what
@@brandoncook6190 silence, spambot
"reminds me of quantum tv" Dw TheActMan will TheYTLawsuit them. ;)
Best is they never do anything to solve real problems , guys making death threats, recording themselves with guns and actually harrasing people, they will hit you with the ' this doesn't infringe TH-cam policies " you can upload a dead person and TH-cam will put it on trendin_ is pathetic
The fact that TH-cam couldn’t help a massive company, aka the main demographic that TH-cam serves, just goes to show they are not only money driven, but genuinely incompetent.
If a company says that they’re “doing it for the advertisers” they’re incompetent, if they’re saying they’re “doing it for the community”, they’re money driven.
Im pretty sure youtube doesn't actually net that much profit if any at all. i think the advertising money goes to server upkeep and creators and little to none go to google. They are using it to work on their neural nets and various AI.
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I mean it's because there's no legal obligation for TH-cam to do anything about false copyright strikes. All the DMCA/copyright laws require is for hosting sites to respond to the requests within a given time frame and remove the content. People seriously underestimate just how open ended the copyright laws are. Content hosting sites aren't required to ensure the validity of take down requests. They're only required to act upon the requests so long as the requester provides the most basic of information like this guy did and all TH-cam is required to do is say "Yep, the information they gave matches the information of who represents this company's IP rights." and approve the take down.
@@lucoa460 overused reply
No matter what you do, if you abuse copyright strikes, you absolutely deserve a $7.6 million dollar lawsuit.
You can’t claim you’re making a point while simultaneously pretending to be the victim. That’s like a fireman starting a building fire then putting it out pretending to be a hero and when he’s caught he says I just wanted to show how dangerous hot stuff can be. It’s ridiculous
“Bungie went through customer service and didn’t get the issue solved for days” not only does this story show how broken their copyright system is but it shows how incompetent their support system is at the same time. And it’s been this way for a long time already. As for Nick, he simply played with fire and got burned. He also stabbed a lot of people in the back as well, so he’s pretty much getting back the karma he deserves.
yeah TH-cam really needs to get their shit together and change the support system and copyright system. And the sad thing is they might only change it now since it involves a company.
@@Instabruh.User.. Quit Breathing
the title got updated
7.6 billion karma... Life ruined... Not what he deserves....
bro he didn't "play with fire" lol he straight committed self-immolation and did a scumbag piece of shit thing after getting mad about his channel being disabled, even tho he was literally doing something against copyright law in the first place (music stuff), and then hurt a bunch of creators who had nothing to do with the situation? definitely getting what he deserved lol
I would like to remind people that Bungie allows all its creators to do a lot of things.They literally have a rule where 80% of your video could be just their content and then you can just speak random bullshit for the rest 20 % and they will allow it.Thats how much they love their community and by far they have the most flexible creator friendly rules.ALSO the soundtrack that Nazo got banned for is allowed to be played in the backround of videos and for everything,you just cant upload it as a song.This guy could have just added backround gameplay of him dying in pvp and he would be completly fine
Hell one of the people they mention was wrongly struck, Promethean, would take recordings in game of the ost so you got the 15-30 minute experience of it instead of the compressed 4 minute samples in the official OST. And this was allowed. Look at his version of First Disciple vs the one on the official Destiny TH-cam channel, for example
@@m05513 It was also either him or another channel that would take the painstaking time of finding the music in the channel files, which had multiple instrumental files depending on the situation (reaching a certain part of the map, in battle, out of battle, etc), and *pieced them together* so you could listen to the entire song as it was meant to be heard. All for archival purposes, and they loved the game and its music that much.
they also let third parties access their API and let it alter peoples loadout and stuff. they are very kind to their community
I wouldn’t go sucking their cock just yet they aren’t bad or good they are neutral
@@iasomnium919 yeah the destiny OST community is insane like that. And to think this pathetic excuse of a human tried to pass himself off as one of them. He probably would have gotten to keep his uploads with almost no effort too, considering how much is cut from the official OST, but he couldn't even do the bare minimum. 7.6 million is too kind for him.
“i’ll strike a video, AND EAT A CHIP”
Yo that 0:40 Celtics burn hitting hard rn lol
I’m so glad bungie actually faces problems, first they attack and take down cheats and people who make cheats, and now this. I respect bungie actually putting their foot down when other companies wouldn’t do shit
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@@calxp91 BAHA-
@@forgivezharion1261 🗿
Nintendo
I *AM* THE ANTICHEAT
Been following this since the original takedown wave. One fun fact you missed, once the TH-camr's name came out, some people in the community started cross-referencing his account with lists of people involved in a large cheating lawsuit. Turns out, he was likely a cheater in Destiny 2. Overall an absolute POS.
@@brandoncook6190 ?
"likely"
@Phillip Ramos Good idea
@@brandoncook6190 absolutely, yes, it is wrong, no matter how much of a piece of shit the kid is, do they deserve punishment? Yes absolutely, but abduction is too far
@@StickmanMook Yes, likely. As in, probably.
Not even two minutes in, I understood what' s this story was about, and that I already knew everything about it....
Yet. I stayed for the rest of the video, because your spin of it was refreshing, mysterious, and well made, it definitely felt like a take of the situation I never saw before, wd and keep on!
I thought the cord was a piece of hair on my phone screen and try to get it off lol
My big Q here: why does it take so much for youtubers to get verified, but any random schmuck instantly impersonate a company and fraudyright claim anything on youtube? I feel there should be a verification process for copyright claims
i feel like they should do ID verification or something, seeing as it's a legal process, especially since disputing a strike already doxes the owner of the affected video
@@dopesickdog this
@@dopesickdog and more importantly, the side that should have their info shown to the other should be the striker, not the strikee, until the strikee says "I'm not taking down the video, take me to court"
Yep supposedly all he did was give a fake name and the address of the CSC offices and they were like yup seems good
Because lets say you make an album by yourself and dont have a youtube presence or account of any kind, and then you find out someone else is using your content without permission here. How do you prove that you are the real copyright holder in any satisfactory way and get the offenders removed without being stonewalled by the identification process? Its easy to prove you are who you say you are maybe, but harder to prove digitally that you have the authority for the copyright claim. So it has the potential to be just as frustrating on the opposite end for someone being taken advantage of.
So the solution is much more complex and theyve opted to make it easier for the strikers than the strikees
Cant believe bungie sued a TH-camr 6 million times for $7
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These bots are just lame now
@@FentyCola559 fr
42 Million
@@FentyCola559 now?
11:40 I am one of these other music uploaders affected by this mess. I tought Bungie had started a massive crackdown on OST channels, so i removed all of my Destiny 1 AND Destiny 2 music videos... for nothing. They had millions of views.
Sure they did
Good to see a company get humbled by how horrid the support TH-cam has.
I swear there is some things I wouldn’t know had ever happened if it wasn’t for Charlie making a video about it.
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Damn these bots are even liking their own comments smh
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@@caramel777 "ForgiveZharion" is a bot
@@user-nr5xp6yd8z oh yeah i noticed i was just making sure he wasn’t referencing me lol
this is the same energy as the TV reporters who interview strangers about a killing, when it turned out the person they're interviewing is actually the killer all along lol
Like Chris Watts
If you’re interested in watching a good video on the person this is referring to, look up “The Bizarre Case of Stephen McDaniel” by JCS, I watched it before and it’s a great video (yt deleted my comment with a link to the video)
@@mountaindrew2241 i think they're talking about the guy with the shitty haircut
Would be great if anyone who has ever been unfairly copy right struck could join in on this lawsuit and make it a big class action against TH-cam. They might not win, but it might incentivize TH-cam to update and improve the copyright system and strike process
Well, he better call Saul.
Just, holy hell. After all this time the little guys are getting their revenge, but this time not on their own but with A massive company. Honestly this is well deserved
@Kavetion bot
are you aware this guy is going to kill himself with such a debt? go outside ffs
@Kavetion same
@Kavetion bet u got a bigger forehead too
*AAA massive company
This honestly feels like one of the those movies were some guy leaves a trail of destruction thinking he's doing the right thing or its all for the greater good, only the realize come the end that he's entirely lost his way and the damage he's caused is irreversible.
Many of music videos that got hit were of music that was never given an official public release from Bungie and the creators who uploaded them were doing it as a means of sharing such music with the Destiny community. But now their gone and we don't even know if they'll come back at all.
Death note
It’s like a poetic tragedy
Breaking Bad
Cyrus type motive
Nice pfp
At this point Twitter should just charge TH-cam for having their support in their website
He played the game of 'fluck around and find out' against Bungie and lost. He went in saying "never tell me the odds!" and got destroyed before he reached the finish line. This is by far the most hilarious thing I have seen in a long while and I couldn't be happier.
The way he orchestrated those DM's to fool the other guys into thinking he was on their side is some Palpatine level planning and plotting.
Kinda psychotic if you think about it.
It WOULD have been, if he didn't do it in the most foolish way possible, by practically telling them all exactly how he did it step by step under the guise of "I bet you he did it like this". I mean, there's a difference between being able to know the mind of the perpetrator, and somehow knowing every last minute detail of how they committed the crime to an uncanny degree.
"So, he was sitting there at his computer, probably just got finished watching a rerun of Rick and Morty, season 2 episode 4, wearing size nine Nikes, with a red and white stripped polo and some gray dickies... but not the knew kind of dickies, the old kind. You know the kind I'm talking about, the ones that had that little strip of stitching across the knee and the extra pocket on the lower left back pant leg? Then he took a drink from his extra large Coca Cola he had gotten from McDonalds about three hours and 23 minutes ago which was kind of starting to go flat and watered down from the melted ice, as he began to open up his Mozilla Firefox browser to pull up TH-cam, which was still out of date two versions because he didn't like some of the new Firefox UI features they had implemented in the previously released version..."
The main difference being that Palpatine was good at it
*shooting himself with Force lighting
"Oh, Anakin, save me! Oh, why would the Jedi do this?"
@@eyesofthecervino3366 lmao maybe it was Palpatine level planning then
Companies should be fined, per day, for not providing real human customer service. I'm tired of having to go to social media backlash to get some damn customer service.
Huh? Nobody forces you to use the service in the first place
I feel there's a balance between bot and human interaction, and youtube just went full bot. Getting a bot response can work for a time but it can only do so much.
Asking to speak to a real person, or being able to escalate to a real person, should always be an option, bots still can't tell images apart, let alone deal with many of the fake copyright notices.
I remember them introducing 'youtube heroes' where you could moderate channels, and my first thought was 'they're so bad at taking care of their own company, they're asking their userbase to do their job for them.
@@Definitely_Melnyx ah yeah, if something goes wrong the answer is just to not use it, right
@@JadeAnnabelArt TH-cam doesn't make money, and has a billion minutes of content uploaded daily, how do you plan on paying people to cover that much content?
It's not possible and easy to see that if you had any sort of "critical" thinking skills.
@@BudMasta excuse me, did you just say “TH-cam doesn’t make money”? Are you serious? What do you think ads are for? TH-cam makes tons of money (Also they are owned by Google, so they could always get money from there). They can definitely hire a large team of human moderators. And they don’t have to moderate every single minute of every single video, just videos that receive content reports and copyright strikes. Funny how you’re saying that the other person has no critical thinking skills.
This whole event was basically an Among Us public server chat.
This is Death Note - youtube edition. Especially when he teams up with the investigative team just like Light did
as someone who plays destiny regularly, it's crazy to see how much this story has blown up outside the destiny community
Yeah I read the title then got thrown for a mini loops when I saw the thumbnail of charlie
I mean to be fair, Destiny isn’t exactly a niche community. It’s pretty mainstream and it involves TH-cam and Bungie so I’d expect it to blow up.
@@katzabar it feels pretty niche in comparison to how mainstream it initially was or to other more well known game franchises, but i guess 1 mil+ sales on a single expansion can't really be considered niche at that point
Fr. All I saw was Datto, Aztecross, and many other Destiny TH-camrs talking about this. But I was surprised to see moist cover it too(I suppose it's because he is also a Destiny player). But yeah, this case has had a profound effect on not just the Destiny community, but the youtuber community too.
it's not about destiny. BUNGIE has been a big name before destiny. Most people know bungie from Halo more than destiny. It's not really that surprising that one of the largest popular developers is being covered by popular youtubers lol
TH-cam definitely needs real life people looking at copyright claims to be approved and whoever is making those claims need more than just an email
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 you look at the reports not every single video posted duuuuuur
Thats physically impossible to do. Copyright laws themselves need to be changed to keep up with modern times.
ikr if tumblr of all places can handle checking each time someone wants to submit a blaze post, yt can definitely handle it
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 lmao 10% aren’t being reported wtf are you even talking about
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 let's say it's 0.01% that's only 72 videos a day. Now it's trivial.
"Nothing good happened here, to anybody"
You'd think that maybe..just maybe... TH-cam would finally open their eyes to how toxic they are in regards to their policies.
"This guy took the plot of 'DEATH NOTE' and applied it to TH-cam. He basically a diet Kira."
I died laughing that's a good one 😂😂😂
I really hope bungie also sues TH-cam over this, their copyright system is complete bolocks, they need to get flamed over this.
Please yes.. Chaos would be awesome
Yah, TH-cam definitely helped cause this problem to fester
Ever heard of the Quntum TV Incident?
God if they did that Bungie would be the saviour of TH-cam
@@apathyreaper5323 Bungie has more money than the people that quantum went against
This man is so good at insults it’s practically his mother language.
actually he gets it from his father /j
@@sapnupua5 father Language then
@@sapnupua5 you are so horrifically unfunny
I'd never feel or and felt offended by this person...... Yet. Lol. Good luck.
@@goliathbroodia942 okay goliath (lol)
I’m honestly terrified of TH-cam’s copyright system because it sucks so badly and it affects so many people.
And know lawyers have even more dirt we know nothing about
Fun Fact: Submitting a complaint via regular channels is 3-30 days depending on the business/industry. Submitting a complaint via social media by directly calling out the business nets you a turnaround time of 48-72 hours.
That's extremely fucked, but I see why. If you go through the backends of a business, nobody else sees the complaint you're submitting, and thus they don't have to care. When you show it to the whole world to see, they have to fix that shit immediately or else they stand to lose business.
Social media managers are blamed if shit goes sideways on Twitter, trends, and its not dealt with promptly.
Lawsuit pops up? Well that's money involved, CEO/shareholders panick and the lawyers get a call to go full find-a-b*tch.
TH-cam's bot support has no one to blame other than the CEO for making their "support" work that way, abd they sure as heck won't officially take that blame, so there's just silence.
Important additional note to this story. Lord Nazo was a part of a subset of the Destiny community that uploads music to TH-cam. Most of Destiny's music isn't published by Bungie, so there is a dedicated community of people who will take tracks from the game and edit them into listenable versions that get posted to TH-cam. Lord Nazo was communicating with other members of the same community while he was on his striking spree, absolutely wild scenario. He also would have been totally fine if he hadn't been posting some of the *only* music that Bungie actually published officially.
Funny tidbit is that he might have gotten away with it if he hadn't swung too big. Bungie didn't really start taking action until they realized that one their biggest, most brand safe creators ( Aztecross) got hit by a strike that made absolutely no sense.
Byf was one of the first ones hit iirc, and he immediately brought it up to Bungie, who than started to investigate. I don't think that Aztecross was the sole reason, I don't think there was a sole reason other than that Nazo started to do this in the first place.
Bungie has always placed a huge focus on their community, and puts in a huge amount of work to protect the community. They are constantly doing charity drives, community interactions, community spotlights, creator spotlights, and have open communication with the community. They even have public employee spotlights to celebrate their staff, and according to glassdoor, this isn't just base level PR. Bungie seems to honestly really care about their people.
So someone impersonating them and ruining their community focused image was going to get slapped, even if they avoided some of the biggest names.
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
I mean im sure destiny channel videos themselves getting hit probablyy hit their eyes too
@@brandoncook6190 ay yo why did you even comment this?
@@memeking3953 its a bot, ignore them
My man's is the lead antagonist in the amazing anime the deceased letter
It's funny coz Bungie's 'support' is literally forums from other people having the same problems.
TH-cam as a company has been a joke for some years now. The copyright system is broken, even fake companies claim many videos even from the people who actually own the content, the coding on the site is always so buggy, and even high end companies and youtubers have a hard time getting in touch with anyone. The only reason I am still here is to watch people like you, Charlie. Screw the company I am here for the creators who actually make an effort.
Exactly the creators are the only reason why I’m here. TH-cam is honestly pathetic
Same
Yeah. We need a revolution!
I can hear someone said that using a GTA SA theme song in your video(s) can receive a copyright strike 🤦
That’s a stupid example
Same
As someone rather on the smaller side of TH-cam who does upload Destiny content, it was a scary few days of watching Destiny content creators get striked and possibly losing their channels. Anyone's livelihood could've just been gone, and those were the big boys.
But when Bungie themselves got hit as well, that's when the story got absolutely wild because just... how? However, then seeing Bungie's massive support for its community is so loving, while TH-cam's joke of system is so sad.
yooo its the dude that hangs out with zanny, glad you survived man
casual Caluben in the comments ok
Loving? You sound like a battered housewife, Bungie treats us horribly.
@@codafett they really don't, compared to almost any other game company they do treat the community well
@@codafett bungie treat their community better than 90% other company. Not like bungie is the best but one of good one. They still listen to community.
"Man impersonates a billion dollar company, what happens next is shocking"
I still don’t know why TH-cam doesn’t make you provide proof that you own the copyright before they’ll just funnel money to random people that make a claim.
You know, this person is absolutely crazy. However, their actions causing Bungie to have issues with TH-cam might actually result in a positive change in the system, hopefully.
Not really otherwise they'd be suing TH-cam for the 7.6 million $
Personally i want to see big tech duke it out with eachother if we're not getting antitrust breakups / class actions
@Kavetion i agree
Most likely not, youtube only does negative change, never positive
@@Zuignap "Our support systems we have in place suck? Our copyright system is heavily biased and flawed? Can't reach our department heads easily?" * Breaks dislike button *
@@ack7956 Yep, pretty much.
First off, I think Bungie should still sue TH-cam for allowing this shit to happen and not having anything in place to verify that Nick was CsC or whatever company. A single person should not be able to emulate an entire company and cause this kind of shit storm but TH-cam is going to act like suing this dude (which they aren't even doing) is enough and nothing needs to be changed, when clearly a SINGLE PERSON can shut down a plethora of content. Yes, an example is made but people with nothing to lose don't give a solitary fuck, they'll do this shit anyways if they just wanna fuck over a company for a week and then the content creators get fucked in the process.
This goes beyond just using a little ditty that's blocked like a titty, this shit is unacceptable and as a company better measures need to be taken, they have the coin and they can expand support so someone should bring this shit to their attention cause they're still not seeing it.
It's a problem for animators as well. People will file copyright claims and pretend to be the original artist
I agree, even tho I only read like 1/3 of that
It's so funny to me that TH-cam is literally a part of Google, by far one of the biggest companies in the world, every single browser like Brave and Opera GX use the google search engine, and they can't even manage to get a support team. Even Doordash has better support than TH-cam. It's actually mind blowing that they can think its okay, after all this time. Its been at least a decade this has been an issue. And they couldn't give less of a shit than they currently do. I absolutely despise every company who's "support" is just a link to commonly asked questions, because if my question was commonly asked, I wouldn't be using their support lmao. For me support is a last option compared to simply searching an issue up.
i disagree. the system can be abused but the person abusing the system should be the one sued
But even if Bungie were to sue TH-cam I don’t think it would even accomplish much, since Bungie loses, I mean as big as Bungie is, there is no way they are getting past the fat stack of lawyers that TH-cam owns not to mention they Google is TH-cam’s parent company, they’ll just run Bungie’s money out to dry at least I think.
It's ridiculous that you can just so easily impersonate someone to get videos removed. TH-cam is so terrible.
I went in circles with Amazon account support trying to get my password changed until I finally got sick of it and closed my account. It isn't just TH-cam.
honestly I wish bungie could have the funds to sue TH-cam to encourage more of a response to its creator and help, especially during this quantum tv saga that is still unresolved and its crazy how Susan will bow down to big corps when threatened and yet does nothing to help the ones that actually pay their lively hood. its a food chain system that creators like Charlie are treated like bottom of the barrel ants.
You really just don't understand how anything works, do you?
I thought you're Muaxh03
Lemme tell ya something. TH-cam is a huge loss for google. It doesn't even break even. This is why there will never be an alternative. The only reason google keeps the lights on is because this is the biggest pool of information for algorythms to learn from in the world. They don't really care about the creators.
@@imyourmaster77 can you link me to some of that information... Im making a video and doing content on just this topic. If you would be able to share me with whatever you have/know it would be a huge help... If you want ill share my socials to connect... 🙏
@@imyourmaster77 Where did you get info about youtube being loss for google? Logically it could explain why there is no competition in video hosting but i would be interested in real data\arguments.
This is like leaving a loaded gun in a playground and getting mad when a child picks it up and shoots someone. I'd argue that the majority of fault is on TH-cam's end for absolutely refusing to fix what has been a known problem for years.
This isn't a case of a child though, it's if a grown adult did that, both parties are to blame, but the adult is more to blame as they pulled the trigger
@@infernostormy2985 they are both equally to blame, if TH-cam fixed the system and didnt neglect creators, it wouldn’t have happened. If the individual didn’t exploit the system, it wouldn’t have happened.
@@aceplay4448 True
Or letting a Halo grunt live and getting mad when it starts to shoot at you.. Get it?? Because bungie made Halo??
@@aceplay4448 not equal i’d say a 70% the guy 30% youtube. At most if you absolutley want to see youtube burn it’s a 60-40
Cybercrime at minimum carries 1 year in jail AND you still have to pay the fine.
the guy replicated death note so well, even got the same ending as light yagami
the fact that bungie went this far to protect its creators makes me feel some hope for possible change on youtube
they did it because it was hurting their reputation + their own channels got targeted as well
@@tserra529 Bungie has always been very community focused, obviously this hurts the trust they have with the community a lot, so they took action. there arent many other studios that would do the same as bungie did, beeing open to the issue and suing the shit out of bad actors
They're not protecting the creators, they're protecting their reputation, content creators are bungie's leverage, as content creators spread the word of bungie's product basically for free, business as usual.
They literally ruined a guys life but ok
Nothing will change on TH-cam. Google is too rich and too evil.
I'm glad Nick is getting what he deserves. I also heard about that story and I can't blame Bungie. They only wanted to take down TH-cam content creators who basically Copy and Paste their sound track and everything because the sound tracks are copy righted which is illegal and then that bozo going on a rampage.
@@brandoncook6190 what
Yeah i get that it shouldn't be allow to simply copy-paste sound track that are copyrighted but what annoying me is when you want to play a game that has copyright music in it you CAN NOT play the game with music on if you plans on uploading it to youtube because you'll get hit by the Content ID bull crap.
Imo, it make absolutely no sense that your videos can be hit by "Content ID" while playing the very game the musics have been injected in. Right now i can't play any music or vfx sound track in Need For Speed Hot Pursuit ReMastered because of this dumb reason.
@@nawimnot it's a bot I'm pretty sure
And Bungie has the OSTs on their own channel so-
@@The_Worst_Warlock That doesn’t mean their mixing of the tracks are complete or the best available version. Its a problem for example with FF7 Remake’s official soundtrack because it is lacking a lot of tracks and complete versions or extended versions but the copyright owners (SquareEnix) constantly nuke every video of it on the platform via bots/content id/manually, so no extended version, no remixes, no covers, no different mixing of audio, nothing. You either buy the incomplete product or play and capture the game without audio if you want the missing tracks and mix it yourself.
This is LITERALLY the plot of Death Note but with youtube
Bungie's lawyers are like Nintendo lawyers, they can swim in money.
I feel like bungie should sue TH-cam instead of this dude. TH-cam literally took down multiple videos all because youtube wouldn't take the time to make sure that the copyright claims were real and coming from a genuine company and not some dude pretending to be one
The guy still impersonated a copyright claim company and striked videos and creators who were completely innocent, why shouldn't he be sued? He also played the victim card while stabbing his fellow destiny creators in the back and blamed it all on Bungie, it's fucking vile.
@@jasperhorne he said both
instead? no they should sue both
@@zonegaming3498 A REPLY said both. OP did not say both. Use your eyes.
they should definitely sue the guy for everything he has lmao
Charlie would never get sued by TH-cam. He’s an absolute unit and TH-cam is the one who owes him 76 million robux
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I bet the "bad actor" was a bad line of code in their lawsuit auto-bot.
I’d see why they’d drop kick his banking account, those TH-camrs were scared stiff of losing their channel, this is a prime presentation of a company who doesn’t joke around.
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Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
TH-cam: doesn't answer Bungie's request
Bungie: God, that's what you guys have to go through?
Every other TH-camr: *J. Jonah Jameson laugh track*
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Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
"if you're standing up you're going to want to take a seat" LOL
Very likely it took the CEO of Bungie calling the CEO of YT to get any traction, or Bungie's law firm contacting YT's law firm.
This puts a new meaning of the old phrase "my dad works for Bungie and he will get you banned"
“-If you steal my Sniper again.”
“Dude, my Dad owns Microsoft.”
"My dad works at Nintendo and he will take away your account."
The ban hammer is back!
What’s crazy is that he’d have had a ton of support if:
1) His content wasn’t a straight rip
2) He didn’t try to take down other innocent creators
Is it bad to wish for a little kid to be abducted? There is this annoying 10 year old that lives next door who harasses not just me but all of the neighbors and rides his fourwheeler way too fast sometimes flipping people off for no reason. Freddy Krueger please help
@@brandoncook6190 i guess its bad lol
@@brandoncook6190 Yea. But you’re allowed to be annoyed and frustrated. Maybe have someone talk to his parents? Abduction usually = r*pe so….that’s not something to wish for. But a good ol slap in the head never hurts.
He’d have a ton of support if he didn’t do the worst things from the list???? 😱 😱 NO WAYYYYYY
that's literally the two exact reasons why he's in the situation right now
This made the ruben sim lawsuit look tame.
This is what happens when a regular person *takes a potato chip and eats it* 🤣
What scares me the most, is not that he was a fraud, but the fact, that they could track him easly, but they had to FORCE Google to do it. Imagine a smaller content creator getting scammed and demand someone's identity to get back what he lost, and noone would bet an eye on it.
It's like: you can see all the fish, but just the anglers are allowed to pull them from the lake. God help us if we do something, and then someone tracks us.
Been long but it's not a huge deal, afaik the guy used personal info when he set up the accounts used to impersonate Bungie, when you go ahead and fight to court the person issuing the takedowns YT will provide you as it must the legal info of the other party, this isn't normally done as your average joe cannot afford to take matters into court this guy just happened to decide to piss off a company with both money and lawyers to follow through the proper process.
As the other guy said, you usually have to go through police, prove there is a crime, then they get a court order to force a company to give up information. Otherwise the company is breaking the law if there is an information protection clause in the user agreements. And if that wasn't the case, that's when you would pray to God, because literally anyone could easily find whoever they wanted.
I watched this all go down and it was insane to see. Bungie is a pretty great company and let's a lot of fan creations happen. You can have 80% their content and 20% yours and they'll allow it. I remember first seeing it and I was so confused because Bungie encourages fan creations, they do videos of the week/artists of the week. They have contests for the best dressed guardians and do a lot of stuff for charity. Also giving creators spotlights, I've seen a lot of creators I didn't know about because of that. It definitely tanked their reputation badly but I'm sure they earned it back and more because of this.
Yea, Bungie is actually awesome. They had their time when D2 content Was quite thin after parting with Activision, but they got a lot better since Beyond Light and especially Witch Queen was a blast.
Can't wait to see what they have in store for us now that they are owned by Sony
Yeah Bungie is fantastic 😂
The d2 content is their store, fuck 'em.
I like bungie but i cant stand how we have to pay for everything in games like D2. If i buy a game once i expect the future content to be free because i bought the game. I payed for witch queen but i have to pay for beyond light and all other dlc's, its too much. Not to mention the future expansions
@@emvagabond2891 big true, its my biggest gripe with Bungie and how they deal with D2, the way D1 was dealt with was better for new and old players.
@@emvagabond2891 it's a DLC. DLC always costed money
I'm reminded of the moment in Falling Down, "I'm the bad guy? When did that happen?"
TH-cam should be made to take some legal responsibility for having a copyright enforcement platform that is so easily abused by a random kid to the point that said kid is able to cause millions in damages to a big company and real damages to the earnings and channels of countless small streamers on the TH-cam platform.
The 2nd dumbest thing ab this is any hate the community managers got for this. Like Bungie literally encourages streamers and content creators to stream any day 1 raid and Bungie even made a promo for it. Assuming Bungie would issue content claims for gameplay is ridiculous. The only copyright they enforce is stuff their channels posts and soundtracks since there’s already a way to get those
I remember all the articles during the takedowns. Most of them just put the blame on Bungie. It was just after the announcement of the Sony acquisition too…
Check out wargaming lmao before you doubt anything. Bought a community world of warships tournament agreeing not to change anything. Presumably adding carriers and submarines at some point to it, where the tournament existed to exclude those classes. Now they are banning many of the most popular streamers in the tournament from casting it because they have said bad stuff about the company.
To add to this, the lawsuit documents also have some extra info about him that say he has several email accounts associated with the hacking and cheating lawsuit that Bungie recently went through. So not only was he impersonating CSC, but he also has been using cheats while playing Destiny 2. Pretty crazy stuff.
Holy shit Triplewreck has let himself go, went 40 days and 40 nights in the desert without water and food.
Hey penguin, do you mind telling me where you got your fireplace heater that's behind your chair? Love the blue flames and the one I've had for about 10 years finally STB. Thanks!