as one of the people that charlie has reacted to and posted on the channel, I can say that he's incredibly transformative with his reactions and gives his audience a ton of new information. He doesn't just copy and paste people's videos, he GENUINELY adds so much more the the topic he's watching. Not only that, but he goes out of his way to research while reacting. This isn't a jinx type of scenario (remember him?). I just wanted to say that. hope all is well.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
Charlie saying "he's right" and rectifying the notions he misunderstood is a quality missing from a lot of content creators and is very respectable and sorely missed as a viewer
Charlie making me tear up at the end there, talking passionately about all the things he works on. You can hear how upset he is that he's been reduced to a react streamer, and the implication that all his work is for nothing, and him doing minimal effort stuff is better than doing what makes him happy.
right!? maybe i’m just an overly sensitive person but hearing him say that people saying that hurts & you can actually hear the hurt in his voice really upset me.. i even pouted & made a sad face unconsciously. it’s sad but really, it just shows that people aren’t really doing their research on him at all & that’s _their_ problem which they shouldn’t be putting on Charlie at all!
AND he does Reaction. Question: If youre so talented and wholesome, like Charlie, why still do React-Content? Because its easy to Stream and reaupload. If someone would be honest about it, then yes, they dont get reduced to it.
@@alucardzutain6062 PewDiePie has react content, markiplier has react content, even jacksepticeye has react content. Are they considered reaction TH-camrs? No they're not, just because they've made react content before doesn't mean they are reaction TH-camrs, like Charlie they're not bound to one specific type of content
Regardless of the situation, the amount of times Charlie says “I was wrong” and “he was right” is insane to see by today’s standards. Keep being real, that’s why we all keep coming back man
the best part was DarkViper was being a pretty big asshole with his reaction, insulting Charlie and whatnot, but Charlie didn't even let it influence his response
Dark Viper is a well known troll. I knew him years ago when he used to hang around trump videos on the news, talking smack and being mean to people just because they disapprove of racism. I don’t know why Charlie is bothering to dignify this attention seeker? “Only the Syth deals in absolutes,” which is itself an absolute. As soon as you try to separate yourself from a dick, a little of their dick dribble rubs off on you. The only real separation is not getting involved with them. Charlie is too good for this. Viper is never going to be honest about being so wrong.
@@dylanj950 i dont know man i would be pretty mad if someone bashes on my script AND make a video on it even before i make the video on it ? No im not a darkviper au fan or something if you were wondering
@@dylanj950 it was justified why he got mad. He has the time to reread DV scripts and fully understand it, yet in his video, he still was making fun of Matt and did not provide any insight into what the document was stating from start to finish. Hell, DV made a 47 mins video analyzing Charlie’s criticism and covering as much as he could yet people still think that he is in the fault for being mad. He spent time writing the scripts for his video recapping his works while Charlie just stomped in said, “this is pretty confusing but I guess you’re wrong”. Literally got called out by Matt on the fact that he should have put more time in understanding the materials before making dumb jokes and claims that could hurt small creators.
I’ve honestly never cared what Charlie is doing on stream or on TH-cam. I tune in because I know that whatever it is, he’s going to make it entertaining as all hell. I’d never looked at a yugioh card in my life, but I watched every second of his unboxings.
me too! and then you learn something. thats the thing i really like about this channel. with the videos i choose to watch, i'm learning something new and have been introduced to topics / creators i never thought to look into. theres so much variety too!
The last part of this video is why I like Charlie so much. You can hear the passion when he's talking about his channel and is genuinely upset to hear people say his old content is better. much respect
That one argument though: “If this piece of evidence is incorrect, then how can every other piece of evidence be trusted as true?” That argument was genuinely used during the OJ trial, and it worked. That argument is the most logically flawed argument that is commonly used.
My nigga u spitin all sorts of facts right now. I've seen that shit a TON of times on the internet. A lot of people would rather prove that you're wrong than prove that they're right.
2010-2015 Charlie is what made me fall in love with his content, his humour and his personality, 2016-present Charlie is what's kept that love intact. Mad respect for being the bigger man and admitting your mistakes, here's to many more years of watching and loving your content. You're my favorite content creator, much love Big Moist
Tbh I think nostalgia might play a lot in that for some of the people that say they prefer his old content. I've gone back and watched his old videos and while I do appreciate them I think they're of their time and the content he makes now is so much better and funnier.
@@endserenading333 especially the vids he makes with this friends. Nothing but wholesome content with a bunch of wacky dudes doing varied activities. It's alot more entertaining
Fucking hell I can't believe the whole "angry" TH-camr rant characters are still a thing. How do people hear DarkViper rant like this and not just get irritated by it?
Cuz the rant is a way to vent for them. They can't get over their failures and choose to then shit on others or attempt to shit on others who are doing better than them.
That's a good question...see....it seems like there could be countless answers and none of them would be actually satisfactory, but in reality the answer it's always the same: they think they're justified. That's it, they think they are ranting about something that deserves the rant, and people justify, even get passionate about being violently opposed to things when they want to be violently opposed to _something_ ..Idk, feel like I might even *get violently opposed to it one day.*
This is why we all love Charlie. He doesn’t try to continuously defend his wrongdoings, he always just admits he’s wrong while clearing up some points and how the misunderstandings came to be. Edit: I dont think some of you in the replies understood this comment. I’m saying that there are countless content creators out there that wouldn’t have admitted they’re wrong. There are creators out there that wouldn’t have apologized and learned from it like Charlie did. As for saying that Charlie is just going to admit he’s wrong and still make reaction content, for fuck’s sake, have you even watched the fucking video? He said himself that he’ll completely change up how he does his react content.
You literally cannot have watched this video in time to make this comment knowingly. I know it's pointless to point this out because you spineless internet fame point sponges already know it and aren't ashamed.
people need to realize that someone being misinformed or ignorant in situations, doesn't make them liars or mean that they had malicious intent. And like charlie did, as long as you address your mistakes and admit youre wrong, then thats what matters. The comparisons made about "dont leave your cup open" are disgusting and disregards people who actually suffered from SA.
I mean even if you don’t have malicious intent, doesn’t mean that harm wasn’t done. You can hold DarkViper accountable for his analogies and how he holds himself, but you should also hold Charlie accountable for the wrong he did to Matt. It doesn’t go away just cause he apologized. You can accept it but don’t act like it’s the only thing that matters.
@@ChristianBaal To be fair though, I think that DV mentioning the comparison what what prompted Charlie to even argue against him. Calling out react content is one thing, and that Charlie probably would have agreed with had that been the only thing DV mentioned. It's another thing entirely to compare it to SA. There are just levels that anyone, especially public figures like youtubers, shouldn't stoop down towards, and DV definitely did when he made those statements on twitter.
The problem is Charlie has first and foremost a LOT of power with information. And secondly, Charlie is very consistantlly someone who will strongly strongly claim things are true or untrue and that hes not wrong, and then when he's proven wrong he just says "Oh okay" and swiftly ends it. It's annoying. and Charlie seems to never do good research. He always just reads the google basics and goes onto it like facts.
@@Sebastian-iz1ln Charlie is the first one to admit that he's wrong and to account for his mistakes. It's still a human being that we're talking about, maybe he should inform himself better but no one is perfect and we are all prone to make mistakes. I don't really know what else do you want him to say or do in addition to the apology and the things he said will change with his content. He has said it multiple times, he isn't a drama channel and doesn't pursue drama, but he found himself being compared to a sexual assaulter which is just outrageous from the get-go
Admitting that you're wrong in some areas is great. Had he not come out guns blazing with the original tweet and replies to the tweets, Dark Viper would have had more people willing to pay attention to the specifics of what he was saying.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
Darkviper has the mentality of a child. The reason why this drama is here is because he relies on hyperboles and exaggerations. If he conducted himself as an adult with a point, he would be right.
I saw some people actually complaining that Charlie makes "too many mistakes and too many videos about it" because he actually owns up to when he's said something wrong in a video and doesn't try to just ignore it or sweep it under the rug. Internet drama is so dumb lmao.
That’s nice, but imo it is the bare minimum to correct wrong statements you’ve made, and critisizing someone for constantly giving out false information (not necessarily the case here, just arguing for the broader point) is entirely fair.
It's the same analogy as linking the google doc and risking the chance of people sending hate on darkviper. People are too emotional when debating it's stupid not everyone is gonna be satisfied.
@@toebs_ but that's an absurd stance to have. Being mad that people make mistakes/report information that isn't absolutely accurate/etc.? Being wrong is just part of being human and dealing with other humans being mistaken is inevitable. It's a dumb way to look at the world and when you take it so seriously that you have neurotic outbursts online like Viper does, it's embarrassing.
Imagine most adults had conversations, admitted wrongness, and cleared up misunderstandings the way Charlie does. What a different world this would be.
@@cameron2851 What a terrible take lol It’s like you just had amnesia after watching the video and forgot the part where Charlie was getting literal emails accusing him of being a rapist. No fucking shit he needs to make a video to address things and clear things up
Indeed, I saw Matt’s video earlier today and I really did fully understand where he was coming from and when I saw this and started watching it I was worried that Charlie was gonna do the generic TH-camr thing where he calls everything a misunderstanding and dances around the point Which is just why I’m so fucking glad he didn’t, he admitted his wrongs, he’s going to try to do better and gives an understandable response and highlights where Matt went completely wrong, specifically with the consent argument
@@linhza501 On the net its still better to adress things before they become misrepresented unless you're a big company that can suffocate it. Especially when the claims originate from Twitter which is a big game of telephone and where people take vitriolic sides really quickly and oversimplify and sensationalise stories. It's a bit of a stretch but look at someone like Projared. Who had (factual) allegations of cheating but since he took his sweet time to respond to them they turned into fake allegations of child stuff and ended up with his noodles being leaked all over Twitter. Additionally it's understandable that Charlie got defensive and wanted to respond to the criticism he was getting as fast as he can. Whether trolls or not words have a meaning and it'd be hard to find anyone who's willing to go a prolonged period of time while being called something they are not.
Going after Charlie’s “quality” is ridiculous considering there has been steady growth for 10+ years. As someone who found Charlie as a pre-pubescent teen and now continues to watch as a young balding adult, I am here for the PERSON he is. Content will always change but the person behind the content will be what keeps people coming back.
I found charlie as an adult and I don’t think I'll get tired of his content since his entire personality is very entertaining for me, sometimes even watching for hours and he still makes me laugh at times.
i’ve been a part of your channel for years, your content definitely isn’t lazy. not even in the checklist days. your content is simple, and always has been which i’d imagine would be difficult considering it’s obvious that you’ve been putting more work into your vids. i love the simplicity, as many others do, and you’ve kept it for a long time despite small changes to your persona and pretty big changes to your content. you’ve done great, O Lord Moist. i wouldn’t trust anybody more with my drink.
@@bobmango8472 if you can manage to sit in front of a computer screen literally 24/7 and record videos, edit the videos, then plan and make and edit the next video, upload every day and still find upwards of 2 hours in the day to do a full stream, all while managing an esports team and a warehouse, creating and shipping merchandise, and somehow trying to maintain a social life with his friends AND sustain a relationship, lazy is the last thing your work needs to be called. it’s good to be critical of your favorite creators and it’s not like i’m oblivious to the fact that his videos don’t require a lotta effort to make, but if that’s the content he wants to make then he’s doing it. that’s not being lazy. being overcritical is what makes people make drastic changes to their content that the majority of their fans won’t enjoy.
@@bobmango8472 His videos aren’t lazy, if they were he wouldn’t go back and do stuff like hours of research, also he was alive during the events of almost everything he’s talked about. He’s been there, he’s got a clear picture and he also makes very diverse content like vlogs, gameplays, and more than just reactions lol. Far from lazy
@@peachaboo6180 Ah, yes. Hours of research which ended up with him making countless apology videos for being wrong. And especially "being alive." You know, perhaps i might be somewhat of a researcher myself? I'll just tell them that i'm alive, that'll work.
As a content creator being constantly compared to how you used to be 3-4 years or even 1 year ago really sucks. It's hard for the audience to accept change in the people they idolize the most.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging...
That part just genuinely upset me. I'm not even a content creator and I hate being compared to my past self. Things change. People change. I can only imagine how he feels being told that basically every day that his content was best during his worst days.
The emotion in Charlie's voice when he talked about how his content transformed over the years got to me. Fuck, man. That hit way too hard. You're doing amazing, my guy. Never stop growing.
As a person who's been sexually abused/assaulted I definitely agree with Charlie here, no one should ever compare things like that to sexual abuse, it's not at all the same, even in an exaggerated scenario, it's still just shit. Like dont do that that shit, and if you do or you defend that argument, you are an actual piece of shit. Edit: I won't change what I said before, however I will add this, I was mad in that moment, mad because myself and many others I know that have gone through that stuff would willing rather have someone continuously take pictures of out in public then to ever have that happen. To the people that defend that argument, you aren't pieces of shit, but you are despicable, and I genuinely hope you find someway to see how this could hurt people. Sexual assault and people's pictures being taken without consent are not comparable, they are not similar in any other sense than lack of consent, but that lack consents effects are drastically different, one leaves someone broken, feeling disgusted with themselves, not being able to look in the mirror, shattered at the thought of someone touching them again intimately, wondering if it will ever happen again, and sometimes ultimately leading to suicide... the other is an unwanted picture. The news literally does this on a regular basis. Even your favourite youtubers have probably done it at some point. And you can say "Oh well he meant the ones that shove cameras in people's faces" but the whole point was consent of picture being taken and its comparable to sexual assault, but it's not.
its people like you who that made me see what this fanbase is really about, blindly following information and believing. I'm sorry you were sexually abused ( really am, that is messed up), but like darkviperau says in the response, it's a fake situation and won't affect you at all. Because he used that argument does't mean he's for sexual abuse. And the story is so twisted it's insane.
@@36OZ I mean darkviperau just made a shitty analogy. no ones asking him to make an hour long, teary apology video, just hey don't say that, cause its kinda fucked up that you're comparing such a terrible, disgusting thing to a thing that kinda sucks, but isn't too awful really.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging.
its mostly annoying to me because even if you don't like his new content they should still be happy that he enjoys his new content more. you could even tell from his voice that it wasn't enjoyable, sadly people only think of themselves
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging..
People always like to talk about the glory days it's not just him it's with everything like how sports were more competitive back in the day animations were more crude and didnt care people will always talk about the past cause they miss it I think it's just human nature to think Bout times in your life you valued as good
Ok I'm gonna be the first actual person to reply to this He sounded hurt because he actually hated his content back then to the point he almost quit youtube Edit:damn it spicy beat me by 3 second xD
I also love his 2010-2015 content but that's when I felt miserable too. I'm his age. At that time I could relate so much to his state of mind. He changed, actually thrived, and so did I. I support personal development because that's what life's all about and why I'm still alive. I don't have to like every video to support the guy and be happy for him. Keep it up Charlie
@@derangedsockpuppet678why you being toxic for no reason. Of course different figures will resonate with you, even ones that don't know you. Saying they can't is a deranged take derangedsockpuppet
It’s rare to see someone admit something hurt them and even rarer still to also admit they got things wrong. Not only does he talk about taking actionable steps to improve his content he really is able to see through the rant to the points made in this not meticulously crafted 14 page document. Charlie you are definitely a real one
Most would deny the fact that they are wrong, and Charlie explains it as an experience and fully admits his wrongs. I love Charlie, and I see Viper’s point, but he was being irrational, quite loud and, yeah needed 14 pages to get to a point.
@@victor2055 watching things isn't a wrong lmao who cares if he watches things on stream? Isn't the whole point of people uploading things to reach as many people as possible? Kinda weird that he's letting some idiot who's butt hurt influence how he runs his streams
Honestly can't remember the last time I commented on a youtube video, and have only done it a handful of times for the 15 years I've had an account here. Damn near clicked away too for the first 5-10 minutes, because I haven't really followed, and therefore didn't understand at first, the issue you're addressing in this video. Am really happy I didn't. Your rant at the end of the video, especially, earned you a new subscriber. Absolutely love how honest and down-to-earth you are, and truly admire how you open up and communicate with your viewers like a friend. Keep being awesome, dude, feel like I subscribed to a friend today and regained some faith in humanity in addition
its so crazy thats people get so intense over someones video just cause they didnt like the way it was put together its not like critikal is the news ans you have to take everything he says as facts
There's more pain in his voice during the final rant than when he hit himself in the balls unpacking a pooping unicorn toy. As much as people will be nostalgic for the older style of some if not all creators, it's still a shitty thing to tell you directly that you're "not as good as before" I have witnessed people change their style of creativity in all sorts of media, and I don't really notice the change because I like them that much, I'm that invested in their content to continue supporting them and watching them grow. Knowing that you're happier with this new style brings us a smile, you keep doing you Charlie.
I really hate when people feel the need to say that stuff. Like it's the creatives entire freedom to whatever they please and if people don't like it, then they can watch / listen to that older content. My first experience with this was when Linkin Park changed into a more electronic style and people criticized them for being too experimental, while their style in their early days was experimental too.
In all honesty, I used to watch your content in highschool back in that 2010 to 2016 time frame you talk about and it was funny the first time I watched it but I wanted more then what you were doing. But within the last year I came back and found out that your content has totally changed and in my opinion for the better. I really love your new content and I have viewed more of your new videos and rewatched them more often now than then. You seem happier and more excited to make your content now looking at it from when I did watch you and now and I am happy to hear that you are making content that makes you happy. You may have had good days in the past but from what I have seen, you have even better days to come. Have a great day to anyone that may see this.
It's the same issue with PewDiePie. People are always forcing him to play amnesia again even though he has on multiple occasions stressed that he never enjoyed it. He also has mentioned that now he's very happy with the content he's putting out because it makes him happy. Charlie should not be shamed or forced into making the old content he used to make and infact should be applauded for diversifying into a broader field in different content which he has been doing for the past years and is actually really enjoyable and genuinely great content.
It's like when he was on CinnamonToastKen and asked him if he remembered back when they'd have to fake reactions like they were scared because it wasn't scary. I don't know how people thought that was legit lol. Not that great of content.
Well regarding amnesia, not so much true. He's stated a lot he used to like it, but all of his reactions were faked. He stated though multiple times he never enjoyed Happy Wheels despite being asked to play it a lot.
Don’t think I’ve ever heard Charlie speak this emotionally. Been watching since 2017, of course it’s hard to gauge people thru a phone or computer screen, but Charlie truly comes off as such a genuine person. I personally think a large reason Charlie does so well and continues to grow is because how transparent and true to himself he seems to come off.
Charlie is so stressed about making his point and misconceptions clear. Mad respect dude, even the things you did get wrong were not that bad at all and understandable
Its because those darkvaper fans who go on an asshole crusade raiding charlies email and say some nasty shit, i absolutely hate those people and hope he adress this problem and tell his community to stfu and stop harrassing people.
I’m not gonna lie, I’ve never seen Charlie be this frustrated, he’s speaking fast and carrying on sentences for like 10 seconds with no breaks. *It’s quite scary.*
@@gabiferreira6864 I am too. This is people I have dated and it makes me uncomfortable. You can't have a reasonable discussion with someone who is being completely unreasonable
@@twosquids Well, DarkViperAU did correct a lot of Charlie’s points. It would be understandable that he is struggling to defend him’s claim as he didn’t do good enough researches just like how his video on shorts got corrected by 2 other creators.
Hearing Charlie talk about how hard he's worked these past few years is genuinely upsetting because you can hear how passionate he is and how this upsets him. You're doing great, boss man, don't let those types of comments drag you down
@@PastPositive cuz it's beneath me to entertain people, i hate everyone so much that if y'all go extinct tomorrow i'll die with a smile on my face. Probably will happen during my lifetime seeing how life is going. Fingers crossed.
I watch all of your content, from your wrestling, the slap fights, all the way down to your rants and “react” videos. I genuinely enjoy it all. I will play your videos and let them play while I’m at work, just for the simple fact of you add so much value to your videos and explain what is happening so well that I don’t need to actively watch the video to follow along.
You can really tell he is deeply hurt when he was talking about the comparison to 2010 charlie he constantly gets. As soon as he started talking about it, his tone changed ever so slightly, you could FEEL that it is something that truly hurts him. Keep it up man, your content only gets better and better the more you grow, and I hope I can enjoy it for as long as I can, love u
He’s insecure about it because yeah, his content HAS changed a lot since then because his income depends on it now and he’s honest with himself that his small cult that followed him because of his quick dry humor is mostly gone and replaced with kids that like drama content
@@theeoddments960 Not really, dont see a lot drama videos being constantly made like the cdawg or vinsauce drama. He only talks about drama that's usually serious, or might involve him and friends. I dont know where the whole "drama for kids" came from but if I had to guess and judging from your past comments you're probably only referring to dream drama. Which is weird to make up that idea from one video.
@@theeoddments960 Content seems the same to me, and the cult fans are still there. You must not be a great fan if you think there's been change for the worse.
Charlie you are a legend. As someone who has watched you for 10 years and was inspired to become a streamer thanks to you, your content has only gotten better and better. You’re a real one and as long as you’re making the content you wanna make, I’ll keep watching and cheering for you. Take care, man.
If he's a legend he should take down the other video. You can't get credit for "being able to admit fault" and then still get money for slandering someone with disinformation.
The issue is a lot of people see two sides of an argument in only black and white. They see it as one is 100% correct and another is 100% wrong when that’s almost never the case. So whenever someone makes a claim they don’t fully agree with, they think they need to invalidate everything about that person completely. Good on charlie for seeing right and wrong in both of their arguments.
My mom used to say this thing to me when I was a teen. "People hold on to the version of you they can control." They try to put you into boxes to make sure they have power over you. That seems like it could explain why he keeps referring to you as just a react streamer when you're so much more.
The people who reference your "glory days" are just a loud minority. You're at 10 million for a reason. Your videos show your passion and you are genuinely one of the few people out there on the Internet that shows true humbleness. Brush this off and keep doing what you enjoy, we'll be here to watch
Charlie's emotion towards the end when he talked about the content that he is so proud of creating really hit the feels man. Your getting better every day Charlie, keep doing what you do best.
Im so happy to hear Charlie's speech at the end. Congrats on hitting 10 million. I've been waiting for you to hit that milestone for years. Im glad you're happy making content now. Can't wait to see whats in store for the future
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
When I enjoy a reactor's personality it mimics the experience of watching the content with a friend. Thank you for the reaction videos of great content that I would not have noticed, keep doing god's work my friend, shout out to channel 5 news.
There is a reason that after the hell that was 2010's reactors, "Reaction Channels/Streamers" still stayed because we as a community enjoy sharing experiences with others. I have trouble with mental health, and my main pain right now is that I don't have anyone to share my interests in. My family don't enjoy the same things I do, and my friends never want to meet in person, so having someone react to stuff that I enjoy and giving their opinion feels great. It feels like a friend just chatting with you.
Ikr!? Good point, it does feel reminiscent of watching goofy stuff with friends like the old days sometimes, and he's not doing cringey reactions like many. Aaand how many times have I gone to other pages or topics after I happened to catch a reaction that I wouldn't have heard of otherwise... It's insane other TH-camrs don't even know a fraction of his public portfolio apparently before jumping on him 🤦♂️
but that exactly what darkviper pointed out. people prefer the reaction video over the original one because of your reason. and the reactor takes all that money for the original creator's work. It's like watching a movie with your friend and your friend takes all the tickets sales
@uzi_does_it_2017 Meaning you’re fine with allowing reactors to steal from people that actually work on content while those people get none of the benefit? Also, thanking Charlie for the “great content I would not have noticed” is so absurd considering you’d likely still find some good content even without Charlie’s help because that’s literally how the algorithm works. Charlie just takes those impressions (and potential views) away in turn for his reactions to those videos being displayed instead. So, again, you’re fine with Charlie and many other reactors doing this and harming everyone else but themselves? If so then reconsider your morals.
Holy shit i nearly cried at the end. 😥 people dont realize how shitty it is to feel that people would put pressure out of you to be this idea of a guy that they expected you to be. It's just so fucked up. Let a person grow and be happy. Love you Charlie.
More than that, he's not actively malicious in his defense. He sticks to the point and doesn't add unnecessary attacks. It really shows his character. Pretty refreshing to see
I hate the argument of "you should have waited for me to make the video" when he could have waited to post the article when he had the video ready, instead of posting the article and getting mad when people misinterpreted it.
Charlie, your glory days are not "back then,” they’re now. Don’t let these people get to you, your content is OBVIOUSLY not lazy. Keep doing everything you do; you are an inspiration.
Most of it is, but it was lazy back then too his content is not based on production value it’s based on his personality and dry humor. every once in a while nowadays he puts real production value in his vids mostly the sex toy vids he actually spends money to make an entertaining video but let’s be honest, his reaction videos where he either just watches tv shows or other TH-camrs videos in full is where he gets a lot of his money from.
@@theeoddments960 did you see the squid game videos? Where he got fans together to participate in a giant contest, or the whole E-Sports thing, which generates a net-negative, not to mention the comic and music coming a long. I wasnt around in the early days of Critical but from what ive heard his current content is what he enjoys so much more than back then. Idk bout anyone else but content feels better to me if i have the impression the creator has fun making it.
I feel like people saying your content is lazy now or worse than before are people that used to watch you but dont really follow you anymore. Then they see one video where you react or w/e and extrapolate from it, which is just dumb. Your content is so much better than before and I enjoy a lot of what you put out (some is not for me but hey you do so much different stuff its normal). Anyway keep it up my guy, don't let these people bring you down, you're doing great.
I totally agree because I thought that too. I had stopped watching Charlie around the time he showed himself, just happened to line up with me watching less TH-cam. And when I saw his new content, or at least a new video at the time, I was a little disappointed. But giving it another try I just saw that it was different than before. Not better or worse, just different.
Yeah dakrviper seems like hes being so extreme about this, which typically doesnt bode well for being the "correct" or sensible take. I agree with dark viper that most reaction content is garbage but I never really got that vibe from Charlie at all. & I'm not even subbed to him or really a fan of his, but I just wouldnt put him in the same category as the truly shameless reactors. I havent seen anything from him this egregious
I agree 100% because this is how I came to like him in recent years because he's more about the conversation rather than just sharing and being like "what do you think?" It's a lot more insightful and he has a lot to add that helps me learn more about what he's sharing with context too. It sucks he seems to be targeted for being popular when I can list a lot worse creators getting way more views doing significantly less than Charlie.
@@WhiteCharisma & he only gained popularity by being entertaining himself. People come to see him, not the videos hes reacting to. It just provides content for him to bounce his style of commentary off of. Just like when people watch let's play'ers
That moment of Charlie explaining how people reference his old vids honestly hurt me. I felt like I can hear some sort of hurt in Charlie’s voice there.
Ultimately I think both sides have valid arguments on the situation, however when you present your side of things in the way DarkViper has then you instantly lose any and all credibility your argument had for the sake of shock value to attempt to "win", when in reality you just nailed your own coffin. Just comparing the video responses about the situation you instantly get a sense of who has a more composed viewpoint, ranting and raging about your side of it won't make people listen to what you have to say any more so than if you just presented it in a composed manner. That's why Charlie has always been the best when drawn into drama, even when making mistakes he admits he is wrong and presents the information as factual as possible without stooping to starting problems with the creators and criticizing their actions objectively rather than in a biased manner.
pretty much what he did with Muta too. that dude really has some issues, which is a shame because he does have some valid points, just has no tact or ability to turn them to a conversation...
@@uncertainboy8893 You can objectively look at an argument and agree with its points while still pointing out the flaws of the individual presenting it, someone might objectively be in the right on a situation but if you present that information like a man-child and go as far as comparing people watching content to sexual abusers then your argument is going to lose traction because no matter what you believe EVERY person on this planet will look at the extraneous circumstances first rather than the true message, for example if you preach world peace or something along those lines your argument itself can be objectively agreed with yes, but if that same speech is coming from a racist homophobe whose version of world peace is mass genocide of those they deem "un-peaceful" then can you really ignore the presentation of the argument? Much more extreme example sure, but it is the same premise, if your argument is being presented in a problematic fashion then yes it does in fact affect the message as a whole to the audience it is presented to. Just look at what actually happened here, DarkViper had SEVERAL people even in his own community agree with points HOWEVER because of his "metaphors" the whole argument becomes focused around that and NOT what the main point was to begin with.
@@TheWhiteWolf6911 as someone with a similar problem of people not understanding what i mean - i feel for Viper. It is so frustrating, to the point of despairity (no idea how to write this word btw), to see people not understanding simple things. You write entire page of arguments, facts and points. But they will latch on 1 word they didnt liked and completely ignore everything else. And even more - in this anger i'm not mad at person. I'm mad at the fact, that no matter how hard i try to explain - person wouldnt understand. Things to consider in this situation: 1. This thought was distracting Viper from editing video. When you think about something important - you cant focus on other things until you express your thoughts. 2. Viper lives alone. Basically no friends, family, girlfriend. All he has - his audience. So he can express only to them. 3. He writes a script for a future video, that will take a lot of time making. But he is busy with editing pacifist run. So he expresses his thoughts in a script to his audience. 4. It is a script, not a scientific paper. It is meant to be made for an entertainment video. With big words Viper uses on a day to day basis. Like overlords. Obviously things are exaggerated for a comedic purpose. 5. His script was send to Charlie from Viper's reddit post and his twitter. And Charlie reacted. Viper didnt thought that someone outside his community will find his script. 6. Charlie completely misunderstood document. I would even bet he didnt read it in a first place. Probably someone send him link and said "This guy wrote bad things on page 4, 7 and 12". So Charlie read only those pages. And made video defaming Viper. 7. Viper, now unable to make a proper video and facing backlash - had to made a response. Where he obviously pissed for a right reason. And this is the problem. People do not read. At all. They glance over page, looking for some word they can use for their own bias. Then read line with that word in it and made up stuff, that isn't even there. I watched several videos reacting to Viper's document. NOONE read it from start to finish
@@nemesisVtuber Not that his document didn't have valid points but unfortunately it is indeed true that if you aren't mindful of the words used in any circumstance, people will latch onto the most eye-catching phrases and sections, and arguing the text was a script and not a formulated paper is a little disingenuous when Viper himself referred to it as a 14 page document, and if it was intended as a script calling an informative document is a bit of a stretch, a key difference being that such a document should be in a unbiased academic form whereas you pointed out it is very clearly laced with his own metaphors and exaggerations, ultimately the document/script probably should never have been released in this format and the information presented through his channel in a video format, in the case of this being a script for said video also is a bit of an issue in of itself as why would he release the script before the video in the first place? Additionally I would say yes I believe most didn't read the whole thing, it's 14 pages long and most were probably finding it difficult to understand many of his metaphors. I get having difficulty getting across what you are trying to say, but if you take the time to write out this whole document you must have SOME level of understanding how these things should be presented in order for the message to get across. Again with the expression thing too, I myself live entirely alone and mostly isolated and I understand the need to spew everything to those you CAN access, however again if you don't curate yourself then some things can be misinterpreted or exaggerated. It basically boils down to whether or not this document was intended as thought out paper or script. In the former case then he really needed to cook this more before release to ensure people WOULD read through it fully and not lace in your own biased exaggerations/metaphorical phrases which people will read and question. If it was a script why was it public in the first place? Why let people read this whole thing a produce it for people to read over if it was not well thought out a curated beforehand?
Fuck, man. The last 5 minutes really got to me. Charlie, your best content is you at your happiest right now. I've been following you since around 2013 and I absolutely love your content now (and back then too) and seeing clearly how much happier you've been. I'm so proud of you, please remember that these people saying you were "better back then" are in the minority and we are here now for the YOU of the now. Thank you for everything, you're awesome.
Being wrong while having good intentions doesn't always make up for it. Not to say Charlie did something horrible, but it's something to consider in your personal life.
I actually see this as the ultimate response. By not only telling his rights but also his mistakes, he shows his true desire for no more drama. Just the truth. And if your position against arguments is keeping up your complaints without wanting any closure to that said debating. Then buddy... you're fucked.
@@willson7360 Hopefully it stays that way. Because if he does try to keep dragging it out more than it needs to, he will only be making himself look worse.
I did see reddit posts saying Charlie had gone downhill, and as I've only watched for a few months, it made no sense to me. Of course, I went back to watch the older videos and the IMPROVEMENT is very clear. Then again, trusting angry redditors is like believing everything a toddler says when it wants attention.
Every channel that has changed even remotely will have people say they like the "old" version of a channel. Nostalgia is a big part of that, as well as shifting from one focus to another. He went from basically dubbing over bad infomercials, which is a fun concept, but gets old fast. Even JacksFilms' channel got kicked off from the same stuff.
The newer content really feels like that one meme of "look at this, just guys being dudes" in the best way, because its so god damn wholesome with a touch of Florida man chaos. I'm proud of Charlie and how far he came and glad he still isn't stuck in the bland 10 year old humor content that, yes I will look back on but never compare too, the variety and realness of the new content.
"Charlie is a react streamer with dick jokes as the only thing that makes him fun. " Charlie in the past few months: Moist Reviews, several gameplay walkthroughs/compilation, Music videos, Podcasts, Tierlists, Creator Collabs, DIY, Challenges/Tournaments, Toy Reviews, Vlogs, Speedruns, Etc.
the end literally made me tear up, I enjoy your content so much and often watch it on the side while doing other things too, I have been for a few years and I never really strayed from that, I'm really glad that you're happy with the content you make now and I hope you continue to do great, I,ll support you for as long as I can
Charlie is literally so understanding he is trying to make everyone the good guy, it's really cool how you can put light on everything. Please don't change your content bc of one guy, you're great
I like how Charlie approached this response. Whereas most TH-camrs would shoot themselves in the foot and then try and deflect when they are clearly in the wrong. Charlie knows when he is wrong and will admit it with no bullshit. But what he can also do is backup his claims with facts and logic which I think is truly admirable.
He got things wrong sure but is he in the wrong? The viper dude literally seems psychotic to the levels he will go to self victimize and die on a hill that no one else is willing to lol.
Really beautiful how passionate Charlie is about this and how open and caring and willing to learn and do better. He called out viper in a respectful, caring, and concerned way. This wasn't a petty backlash and he had every right to be upset that someone he liked would compare him to a sexual assaulter. Honestly it's Charlie's diversity that is just such a breath of fresh air. It's him gaming, making music, funding competitive gaming, expirementing that gives it such a charm and doesn't add that stigma around gaming that it's for loner outcasts who haven't left there room since God knows when. He's not afraid to show emotion and he's not going to be unphased about a very serious situation. We like you happy and doing what you love, Charlie.
Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Vegan gains/Nikavocado situation where the other person just keeps milking videos about charlie despite the fact that Charlie isn't looking for drama lmao
darkviper is a sad little man guys trying to open his book bigger for fame by this "14 page document" he will never be respected the way he wants because he is such a child at heart
He's just a guy man, I hate everyone saying how good and moral he is because it just holds him to a higher standard In the future. He's a good guy but he is also just a normal guy.
@@shetouchamypizzapie Charlie made a reaction to a video that didn't exist yet and basically attacked DarkViper, a much smaller channel, because of parts of the script making it seem like the guy is a lunatic tha completely lost the plot. I personally don't agree with his tweets comparing reactors to predators but it wasn't included in the script and it wasn't the point of the script. Overall I would say Charlie took many L's, including the first video he made on this drama but both him and DarkViper are reasonable people that change their minds when new evidence is presented and are willing to go into dialogue with eachother. DarkViper's reputation took a bit of a hit but even then he says in his video that he doesn't think Charlie is doing bad things on purpose just that he's ignorant to them which I think this video proves was a correct assesment. I dont think this will devolve into petty drama personally.
Hope you stay controversy free like genuinely, over the years ive seen so many of my original favorite youtubers fall do to weird shit online but I’ve never heard non of that weird bs with you, thank you.
I know this may not reach Charlie, but I would just like to say that his content has not gotten stale at all. I watch his videos daily and all of his videos are amazing. Old or new, your content is amazing man. Take care.
I binge watch Charlie’s channel constantly and have for months, after discovering the official podcast, I’ve watched so many that I’m fast running out of unplayed episodes on Spotify (down to about 100 I think) which is insane because I’ve only been watching/listening for about 6months. The videos, twitch streams, and podcast are so enjoyable I can just sit here and watch for hours, content old and new. I completely agree.
I just hope both, Charlie and Matt, can individually and privately solve it out and remain in good terms. You can actually hear it in his voice and see it in his eyes that he is very hurt. Not just because of the DV drama, but also because people don't approve nor appreciate Charlie's constant efforts in trying to create new, diverse cotent on several platforms, on a daily basis. Thank you, Charlie for being open and honest.
Damn, you’ve reacted to one of my videos on stream and TH-cam before. I was nothing less than elated that such a large channel even found my video (it helps that I’m a big fan of your content) I think it’s a matter of opinion, but it’s clear you’re only trying to entertain people That being said, reducing all your content and years of efforts to “A rich lazy reaction channel”, is such a demeaning and entirely unnecessary personal attack. Hold your chin high dude, people know your worth
DarkViper's point being, even if you got a flick of exposure from Charlie, it was at a cost of millions of impressions that were given to Charlie's reactions instead of original content. I mean, when RWJ was running =3, everyone agreed that his content was trash and mostly watched by kids that didn't know any better. And reacting somehow got EVEN LAZIER since then.
@@acreativename2781 because he did have some good points, and even in some of his not so good points Charlie misconstrued (unintentionally) a lot of them in turn not helping his case. In Charlie’s defense Viper continues to misconstrue Charlie’s points in the response. They were both silly
The dude in question is quite upset but he couldn't properly articulate his point. I looked at his tweets about it and I assumed the same thing before watching this video. Keep doing you Charles the fact you had the decency to clarify this situation instead of letting it blow over and ignore it means you're a standup guy.
Man it really struck me when you were talking about how your glory days were in the past, you seemed so sad. Although I did enjoy those videos I genuinely think you have grown so much and your content has gotten much better. You are such a good person Charlie, and you continue to support that fact every video you make. Your glory days are now.
The defense of "I didn't even make the video yet" makes no sense when he released an unfinished script for an unfinished video. If he didn't want people to respond to it until it was done, he should have finished it first.
Well he clearly didn’t expect a response video to an audience which doesn’t regularly watch his content. I watch his content quite a bit bar a few series and even I don’t keep up with his outreach to his community on other platforms. This type of content usually gets put in one of his ramble videos which generate buzz for a little bit after upload from his core viewers/interested randomers, and that’s it. Not one of the people it concerns and certainly not a response video that’s been uploaded to the entirety of their fanbase.
@@VenomOnPC no response video would have occurred has he decided not to list any names in an unfinished draft that he was going to let his community read
@@notmeatman9557 The point still stands, people still say shit about those four list streamers ALL the time, whether that be randomers, news outlets or even other content creators who are just as big as DarkViperAU. It’s not even like he should have known better given he had a whole rambles series where he often talks about the latest controversies with no response videos coming his way. Regardless, the people he listed were valid and do offer a good example of what content he was referring to. Of course it’s equally as valid for them to reply, but it wouldn’t be fair to call out DarkViperAU for not knowing any better and assuming they wouldn’t respond.
This is the first full video of yours that I've watched. Very respectful, very well-spoken, kudos on explaining exactly what you got wrong & why / how, and how & where you agree & disagree with DarkViper. Great stuff.
“A fool thinks he’s a wise man, but a wise man knows he’s a fool.” I have a lot of respect for Charlie and this video makes me want to trust what he says more, because I see now he can swallow his pride and double check what he knows to find the truth
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging.
He hasn't swallowed his pride. He still has the other video up to his massive audience that completely misunderstands vipers point. If he was admiting hes wrong he would take the video down.
@@logankowalyk2580 not everything can be labeled on under blanket "right" or "wrong" like its a fucking coinflip. he clearly said what he wanted to say about the response
Really sucks to hear about that, I've always enjoyed the variety of your content as I joined after that era, it's always exciting to what videos and ideas you'll come out with next. Your channel has come a long way and your content is diverse and exciting, I hope you enjoy making content for a long time.
It's just a harsh reality that you can try your best at something and it still not be good. Sometimes the natural talent had to make something in 10 minutes that most people enjoy is better than something you work for 10 weeks on. He's just lucky enough to be in a position where he was able to use his natural talent to get to a point where he can make stuff he enjoys, most of us never get to that point in life. I love astronomy, but sending my observations to different scientific organizations doesn't pay the bills, and I'm not good enough at math to do it for a living, my natural ability in software development, as much as I dislike it, pays the bills.
@UC53Z5zlPcm_KV_h66xp1owQ why don't you comment with the channel this video is on? So you can delete all evidence of your begging by deleting this channel?
The ending almost lowkey got me choked up when he meantioned all the things he’s been doing. Charlie and his bois are so much more and I admire him for that. You could tell in his voice that it got to him.
I've watched Dark ViperAu for a long time, and he has a knack for hanging onto things because of his pride. He's a fantastic arguer and usually keeps his logic straight, but in starting to see he just feels attacked and always fights back regardless of the outcome. It's starting to become tiresome at this point.
@@unbeatable617 nothing you stated have anything to do with his arguing skills. You can be a hothead and still provide logical arguments. He would be a bad debated if he did a bunch of logical fallacies or made non logical points.
@@alctaurion9038 Matto has a medical condition that makes him tired and in reality, you really can't push yourself on stream and when you are tired, your tolerance is lower too.
@@unbeatable617 and he isn't. He's focused more on TH-cam now and only streams when he feels like it (like editing streams) or when he needs to stream to make the content for TH-cam (e.g. Twitch Controls GTA V Chaos Mod). If you have watched all the videos and read the tweets, the dumb 12yo kids from both fanbases fanned the fire by DMing the streamers saying nasty stuff getting both riled up and thus this mess. That is not on from both sides. The mods of both are in discussions with each other.
Viper’s pride won’t allow him to fully admit that he went too far with his argument. His hyperbole almost ruined his legitimate argument. In fact, people like Charlie are being gracious to see past it. Charlie talking about this has boosted Viper’s essay. I’d never heard of the guy until this.
@@refugeemorales8003 That would be pretty cruel though, especially given Charlie has mentioned before that he's a fan of him. I think the guy was just talking through angry goggles. His future response will be the determining factor in my book.
When writing a professional and informative document, it's up to the writer to define all the terms they are using. It's not Charlie's fault that he couldn't read DarkViper's mind when going through the doc.
Viper’s response in the first five minutes seems as such: “I included some shitty remarks in my original report. People brought up those remarks and what they meant. I am now going to backpedal and redefine everything I said to defend my reputation.” This is not anything new or out of the ordinary from people.
You know, Charlie shouldn't be apologizing as much as he does in this. Viper made the tweet linking his article imply that react videos harm small channels with the wording. Viper was the one who said that reactors and sexual assault were similar. Viper was the one who put out the article to be viewed by the public, which would also include criticism. Viper did a poor job defining his terms, and its not the reader's fault for that. A video should not be necessary for people to understand an article unless it's a bad article. It's one thing to come in with the wrong mindset, but don't apologize over the article not being well made and the creator not doing a good job of helping people understand until it gets him in trouble. And Viper claiming that was Charlie did was just a reaction video while doing the same thing is just hypocritical. It's called an analysis, or does Viper only think that's what it is when he does it?
It's more the point that CHARLIE misunderstood this point, and then communicated that point to millions of people. The kind of reach that Viper himself doesn't have. He did the same thing with his "incomplete" video, and STILL defends it as worthy of informative! Yeup, I watch incomplete tutorials too. Hell, I bet if Charlie never made this video at all, you wouldn't even KNOW there WAS a misunderstanding! Or hell, that there was even a document! You'd just assume it was Viper's failure literally only because Charlie says so. Maybe don't be such a sheep lmao.
@@flipribby was vipers issue with Charlie or just reaction channels in general? I don’t think Charlie’s nitpicking his points about reaction channels, but defending himself, whatever personal attacks were made. I don’t think he needs to become an expert in reaction channels or read every point in vipers rant to do that. Unless it was totally all about Charlie?
The whole thing is hypocritical lmao, he used to do video dono streams, he just privated or deleted the vods either not long before or not long after he posted the paper.
In Charlie’s defense though, I believe the paper should’ve been able to stand on its own. This guy keeps complaining about how Charlie couldn’t wait for him to make the video but in my opinion, if the paper is well written then there should be no need for a video. The video being necessary to fully comprehend the points made in the paper simply mean that the paper is incomplete and he should’ve waited until the video was done and then publish both together.
Exactly, the internet ran with what it was given, if he considered just the script to be lesser than he shouldn't have posted it. It's only natural that The internet would go with what it had.
Irrespective of the larger argument, I don’t agree with that at all. Regardless of how well written it is, the VAST majority of TH-cam viewers lack the attention span or motivation required to read through a 14 page essay on something they don’t really give a shit about. Given the choice between just going off the way Charlie summarizes it versus actually reading the paper, barely anyone is going to choose to do the latter. You are way, way overestimating how thorough the average viewer is with checking the source material and seriously underestimating how willing they are to just go with the summary and interpretation in a video, let alone a video by someone as liked and respected as Charlie, no matter how mischaracterized the source material might be - as Charlie himself admits here, as if you read between the lines of what he’s saying, he himself seems to have generated his opinion (alternately, leaped to a conclusion) based on how he saw people on Reddit and Twitter summarizing or characterizing it.
well isn't that the point in publishing his script? the whole point of it was to be proofread and later when it can be used for a video he could have made improvements to it
Hearing Charlie talk about how people saying his old content is better makes him feel is pretty upsetting yet it makes me happy about how open he is with his feelings with us.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging..
ngl i feel like charlie really has changed since he started his new content. He’s become more arrogant and his fanbase defends every little action he does. He used to make fun of people that act like him. Idk what it is about doing commentary that changes TH-camrs, maybe cuz its low effort but gains a ton of views idk
Yeah, it's one of the first times if not not the first I've heard Charlie day he was hurt by something people say. Now I've never viewed Charlie as some he-man or Hercules TH-camr, but it makes him a lot more personal
It was honestly refreshing, how he pretty much set those people in their place, with saying how he’s much happier now, than passing it off in a one comment thing. That whole section really made me happy to stick with this channel for so long, and having seen it’s transformation from the ground up, from when he was just depicted as an avatar with a red hoodie, to him coming out with his full name, to being more outreaching, to here It’s kinda hard to find genuine TH-camrs out there, even if those same genuine streamers ham up their performance from time to time, it’s still a dime in a dozen, and Charlie’s one of those dimes, in a pool of a dozen TH-camrs that will try and cash out in a certain goldmine I honestly put him up there with Pewds in terms that, he likes what he’s doing, and if you don’t like it, so be it, and that’s good enough for me
I have to give my respects to Charlie bro. He is truly one of a kind and the type of person i feel like I can relate to on so many levels mentally, humor wise, etc.. The way he has his mind setup is out of this world, even when he’s wrong and someone tell him that in a rude way he’s mature enough to own up to it, correct it, and don’t try to make an excuse for himself. I can also respect that he set high goals for himself, instead of sticking to one thing that dose well for him he’s willing to risk it all and expand his horizon simply for his mental health and it makes him happy. I could go on but Charlie are a respectable and great person, I think a lot of people will agree with that and acknowledge your hard work/ efforts.
I’m kind of torn on reaction videos because they can both help smaller channels and also just steal credit, or leech off someone else, in your case critikal actually helped your channel grow a lot. Anyways, great fan and you are one of the reasons I started playing piano.
@@salvulcano9061 he did help my channel, but I don’t think he was just “reacting” to my video, he assembled fragments from both sides of the argument, provided context, and told the story in his viewpoint. Charlie wasn’t just sitting there watching the entirety of my video, which I think is quite different than purely “reaction content.” Thanks for the encouragement, I will try to upload soon. I hope your experience with piano is a joyful one.
It's truthly facinating how you can end up in the same comment section of a drama video that was uploaded a year ago with a guy from a famous comment thread sharing his opinion by a total accident at 2 AM. What a small world. Love it.
I feel like in retrospective the analogy was somewhat of an extreme example which caught people off-guard (mainly the ones being accused of it) but its 100% correct
I can't speak for anyone else but I, as someone who has been sexually assaulted, was genuinely a little offended by his analogy. It's weird, stupid, and off-putting. I'm not typically sensitive to this kind of stuff despite my history--really not at all--but those two things aren't at all comparable and I feel his stance sort of trivializes the severity of sexual assault.
It definitely does trivialise it and it made me really uncomfortable, like just compare it to other forms of theft, it was complete unnecessary and bizarre to liken it to sexual assault imo
"it's hyperbole but only slightly so" one step forward one step back, I never understood why people backpedal and then immediately go forward with their initial point again. May as well have not clarified it was hyperbole in the first place. It just feels like someone testing the waters of how people react and if it's OK to keep trying to make a half baked point.
@@crypticlish6717 He didn't compare it to theft lol, he said that the type of person who would steal other peoples labor for their own financial gain are the same type of people who would sexually assault. He's not comparing the act, he's saying that the type of person who would do one aweful thing, might also do another aweful thing. And it's hyperbole as he said.
The biggest reason that analogy was disgusting, is that SA victims don’t put out their bodies for public “entertainment” to begin with. Workplace theft is completely incomparable to SA and his incessant defending of the analogy makes me want to stay far away from him as a survivor.
The SA analogy fit because the issue was about *consent* itself, the lack of consent from content creators for a reaction channel to watch their video on stream. It is a valid analogy, if one made in poor taste.
@@stonedwizard0420 Theyre a victim i doubt theyll agree over the fact darkviper isnt defending rape because its a sensitive subject and its probably a trigger just seeing someone use it as an analogy. id be turned away from someone like that too. As they say, feelings dont care about your facts.
No, you miss the commonality. Lack of consent. Rape is wrong because lack of consent. It is wrong, if something happens to you (sexually or not) if you do not consent. CONSENT MATTERS!
I've followed you for awhile (maybe 2-4 years) and I love your content more than ever. The over the top vulgarity had its funny moments but the departure from it was a welcome one. I've enjoyed your current content now more than ever. You've grown and changed and it's inspiring. Keep it going man, much appreciation and love from me and many of your subs. Your variety shows your talent and transformation as a content creator over the years
23:39 As someone who had their life fucking ruined by almost being sexual assaulted, this was so fucking insulting, as you said. I managed to get out of it, and it still caused infinite trust issues, breakdown, mental and physical scars that haven't fully faded yet. Having someone compare that to reacting to a fucking video is beyond fucking offensive.
It’s sad that this is what we have come to. Someone reacts to your video and now they compare you to one of the worst acts someone can do to someone else. What have we come to? Sexual abuse isn’t a joke nor comparable to anything else except itself. It’s “not like” it’s “just as bad” it’s one if not THE worst thing to do someone. Reacting to a video doesn’t cause someone years of emotional and mental trauma, sexual abuse does.
I’m sorry you went through that, I can’t imagine how it affected you. No one should use any traumatizing experience as a weapon to push their own agenda. It’s just so fucking wrong.
Hope you realize Charlie that 99% of people love that your new stuff makes you happy idc if you turned into a basket making Chanel I’d probably still watch you cuz YOU are what make the videos good YOU get me to click on anything that your in
I’m hoping to god this turns out like when Matto interviewed Dream. It was polite and orderly, and I don’t want Charlie nor Matto to be wrong in any sense. You guys both have good points, and I want you to solve this civilly.
DV seems to have a better time of being calmer and more reasonable when he's talking to something other than a camera yeah. Otherwise it seems like he just gets carried away.
Geesuz, but Charllie (or moist napkin, I'm still unsure of his name) is skewing things, here. I am hardly a fan of either party here. However, I can 100% understand what DarkViper was saying when he said you are "taking content creators silence as consent to use their content" and made a very offputting joke out of it, by saying something to the tune of, "Hey! cover your drinks people! Because this one here takes silence as consent! " Moist napkin understands this as well. He's just playing into the SA angle to deflect and that's ridiculous.
Charlie, we see you brother. We see your evolution as a creator, and your efforts, but we also see that you’re true to yourself. That’s why we love you. Keep it up!
as one of the people that charlie has reacted to and posted on the channel, I can say that he's incredibly transformative with his reactions and gives his audience a ton of new information. He doesn't just copy and paste people's videos, he GENUINELY adds so much more the the topic he's watching. Not only that, but he goes out of his way to research while reacting. This isn't a jinx type of scenario (remember him?). I just wanted to say that. hope all is well.
oh, hi tuv :)
Hello tuv
Tuvpog
Tuv is the man 💙🖤💙🖤
luv u tuv
Cr1tikal is the embodiment of what we think we could've said in the argument while in the shower.
Oh, that's so true!
couldn’t have worded it better
i have a sneaking suspension that he plans his response videos, goes into the shower and comes out with a new, better script
@@irlhimbo5595 perhaps the reason why he looks moist in every video
@@Truck-kun_01 oh my god your right
A guy who always wears white t-shirts and a guy who always wears black tank tops.
This drama was bound to happen.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
Jesus vs Devil
i remember that charlie had a black shirt once but who cares
@@kotomishione that was the dark Charlie arc this is his redemption
It was a conflict bound by fate itself
Charlie saying "he's right" and rectifying the notions he misunderstood is a quality missing from a lot of content creators and is very respectable and sorely missed as a viewer
Pride, and the ability to swallow it.
honestly it’s a quality missing from just a lot of people sadly
@@Rezora06 Sad to say it but you're right.
@@annoyingguy9939 sad indeed, friend
Sad
You can tell how passionate Charlie is by how fast he’s talking.
That’s honestly true
@@coolguyinc.1555 RACE WAR!
@@danielpearse9875 🤨📸
He is really good at wording things off the top of his head
U got some comments in ur bots
Instead of making a video dancing like some TH-camrs, Charlie just admits hes wrong, thats why he is so great.
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This is a masterclass, Charlie. I learned a lot about how to navigate internet arguments from this video.
Wait a minute…
Commentiquite?
didn't expect to see potential candidate of MDES here
Holy 9arm
Honestly he’s super good at doing it without escalating it either
Charlie making me tear up at the end there, talking passionately about all the things he works on. You can hear how upset he is that he's been reduced to a react streamer, and the implication that all his work is for nothing, and him doing minimal effort stuff is better than doing what makes him happy.
right!? maybe i’m just an overly sensitive person but hearing him say that people saying that hurts & you can actually hear the hurt in his voice really upset me.. i even pouted & made a sad face unconsciously. it’s sad but really, it just shows that people aren’t really doing their research on him at all & that’s _their_ problem which they shouldn’t be putting on Charlie at all!
AND he does Reaction. Question: If youre so talented and wholesome, like Charlie, why still do React-Content? Because its easy to Stream and reaupload. If someone would be honest about it, then yes, they dont get reduced to it.
@@alucardzutain6062 PewDiePie has react content, markiplier has react content, even jacksepticeye has react content. Are they considered reaction TH-camrs? No they're not, just because they've made react content before doesn't mean they are reaction TH-camrs, like Charlie they're not bound to one specific type of content
@@poggerz6567 To be fair Charlie does react quite a bit more than say Markiplier or Jacksepticeye
@@gvd72 Yes but he is not a reaction only streamer. He makes his own content and that, my dear friend, is something you cannot debate me on.
I love how respectful Charlie is. You can tell he's upset but kept his composure as he discussed him points. He's a great role model.
Your right
@The TacoCat y'all going like mock 10 with these bots goddam.
Go beg somewhere else, scrub
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar Nah Your uncle Will touch you 😳
@@whocares9033 Hes Ali A Youngers Brother "Ali H"
Regardless of the situation, the amount of times Charlie says “I was wrong” and “he was right” is insane to see by today’s standards. Keep being real, that’s why we all keep coming back man
the best part was DarkViper was being a pretty big asshole with his reaction, insulting Charlie and whatnot, but Charlie didn't even let it influence his response
Dark Viper is a well known troll. I knew him years ago when he used to hang around trump videos on the news, talking smack and being mean to people just because they disapprove of racism.
I don’t know why Charlie is bothering to dignify this attention seeker? “Only the Syth deals in absolutes,” which is itself an absolute. As soon as you try to separate yourself from a dick, a little of their dick dribble rubs off on you. The only real separation is not getting involved with them. Charlie is too good for this. Viper is never going to be honest about being so wrong.
@@dylanj950 i dont know man i would be pretty mad if someone bashes on my script AND make a video on it even before i make the video on it ?
No im not a darkviper au fan or something if you were wondering
@@dylanj950 it was justified why he got mad.
He has the time to reread DV scripts and fully understand it, yet in his video, he still was making fun of Matt and did not provide any insight into what the document was stating from start to finish. Hell, DV made a 47 mins video analyzing Charlie’s criticism and covering as much as he could yet people still think that he is in the fault for being mad.
He spent time writing the scripts for his video recapping his works while Charlie just stomped in said, “this is pretty confusing but I guess you’re wrong”. Literally got called out by Matt on the fact that he should have put more time in understanding the materials before making dumb jokes and claims that could hurt small creators.
@@Lenicyl But don't be an asshole about your rebuttal. That's the real problem and just muddles the point of the response.
I’ve honestly never cared what Charlie is doing on stream or on TH-cam. I tune in because I know that whatever it is, he’s going to make it entertaining as all hell. I’d never looked at a yugioh card in my life, but I watched every second of his unboxings.
Facts
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me too! and then you learn something. thats the thing i really like about this channel. with the videos i choose to watch, i'm learning something new and have been introduced to topics / creators i never thought to look into. theres so much variety too!
For real he’s just a very entertaining and truthful about whatever’s he’s doing it doesn’t matter what it is its always funny/entertaining
I feel the same way
The last part of this video is why I like Charlie so much. You can hear the passion when he's talking about his channel and is genuinely upset to hear people say his old content is better. much respect
Yep but he is still reacting to shit and stealing actual content creators. The guys is a joke
That one argument though: “If this piece of evidence is incorrect, then how can every other piece of evidence be trusted as true?”
That argument was genuinely used during the OJ trial, and it worked.
That argument is the most logically flawed argument that is commonly used.
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My nigga u spitin all sorts of facts right now. I've seen that shit a TON of times on the internet. A lot of people would rather prove that you're wrong than prove that they're right.
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Here's to Charlie addressing controversy like an actual adult. Mad respect
Maybe watch the video first
you didnt even watch the video yet
This video came out like a minute ago tho (although I don’t doubt he handles it well)
bruv he just posted lmao, yall so ready to comment without watching first
@@unusedaccount2590 its the video topic
2010-2015 Charlie is what made me fall in love with his content, his humour and his personality, 2016-present Charlie is what's kept that love intact. Mad respect for being the bigger man and admitting your mistakes, here's to many more years of watching and loving your content. You're my favorite content creator, much love Big Moist
Same! Come for the Qwop, stayed for the content
Tbh I think nostalgia might play a lot in that for some of the people that say they prefer his old content. I've gone back and watched his old videos and while I do appreciate them I think they're of their time and the content he makes now is so much better and funnier.
@@endserenading333 especially the vids he makes with this friends. Nothing but wholesome content with a bunch of wacky dudes doing varied activities. It's alot more entertaining
Fucking hell I can't believe the whole "angry" TH-camr rant characters are still a thing. How do people hear DarkViper rant like this and not just get irritated by it?
He usually isn’t a rant TH-camr
He usually just plays GTA and streams it
@@hobobehindarbys3785 I would watch his clips channel a lot but recently he's been turning into an angry ranting person a lot
Cuz the rant is a way to vent for them. They can't get over their failures and choose to then shit on others or attempt to shit on others who are doing better than them.
soo true lmao @pepsi man
That's a good question...see....it seems like there could be countless answers and none of them would be actually satisfactory, but in reality
the answer it's always the same: they think they're justified.
That's it, they think they are ranting about something that deserves the rant, and people justify, even get passionate about being violently opposed to things when they want to be violently opposed to _something_
..Idk, feel like I might even *get violently opposed to it one day.*
This is why we all love Charlie. He doesn’t try to continuously defend his wrongdoings, he always just admits he’s wrong while clearing up some points and how the misunderstandings came to be.
Edit: I dont think some of you in the replies understood this comment. I’m saying that there are countless content creators out there that wouldn’t have admitted they’re wrong. There are creators out there that wouldn’t have apologized and learned from it like Charlie did. As for saying that Charlie is just going to admit he’s wrong and still make reaction content, for fuck’s sake, have you even watched the fucking video? He said himself that he’ll completely change up how he does his react content.
@YeaMan ok
You literally cannot have watched this video in time to make this comment knowingly. I know it's pointless to point this out because you spineless internet fame point sponges already know it and aren't ashamed.
@@thefinal9923 damn
Yes definitely. You made a comment in three minutes on a thirty minute video and already say something you assume
It's not that hard to say "I was wrong"
people need to realize that someone being misinformed or ignorant in situations, doesn't make them liars or mean that they had malicious intent. And like charlie did, as long as you address your mistakes and admit youre wrong, then thats what matters. The comparisons made about "dont leave your cup open" are disgusting and disregards people who actually suffered from SA.
I mean even if you don’t have malicious intent, doesn’t mean that harm wasn’t done. You can hold DarkViper accountable for his analogies and how he holds himself, but you should also hold Charlie accountable for the wrong he did to Matt. It doesn’t go away just cause he apologized. You can accept it but don’t act like it’s the only thing that matters.
@@ChristianBaal To be fair though, I think that DV mentioning the comparison what what prompted Charlie to even argue against him. Calling out react content is one thing, and that Charlie probably would have agreed with had that been the only thing DV mentioned. It's another thing entirely to compare it to SA. There are just levels that anyone, especially public figures like youtubers, shouldn't stoop down towards, and DV definitely did when he made those statements on twitter.
The problem is Charlie has first and foremost a LOT of power with information. And secondly, Charlie is very consistantlly someone who will strongly strongly claim things are true or untrue and that hes not wrong, and then when he's proven wrong he just says "Oh okay" and swiftly ends it. It's annoying. and Charlie seems to never do good research. He always just reads the google basics and goes onto it like facts.
Exactly
@@Sebastian-iz1ln Charlie is the first one to admit that he's wrong and to account for his mistakes. It's still a human being that we're talking about, maybe he should inform himself better but no one is perfect and we are all prone to make mistakes. I don't really know what else do you want him to say or do in addition to the apology and the things he said will change with his content. He has said it multiple times, he isn't a drama channel and doesn't pursue drama, but he found himself being compared to a sexual assaulter which is just outrageous from the get-go
Admitting that you're wrong in some areas is great. Had he not come out guns blazing with the original tweet and replies to the tweets, Dark Viper would have had more people willing to pay attention to the specifics of what he was saying.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
His career was in the line tho
There is value in diplomacy.
Darkviper has the mentality of a child. The reason why this drama is here is because he relies on hyperboles and exaggerations. If he conducted himself as an adult with a point, he would be right.
“Stay in your lane pat” lmao
What i really like about charlie is that when he gets something wrong he acts like the bigger man and admits it and doesn’t make up some bs excuses.
I saw some people actually complaining that Charlie makes "too many mistakes and too many videos about it" because he actually owns up to when he's said something wrong in a video and doesn't try to just ignore it or sweep it under the rug. Internet drama is so dumb lmao.
That’s nice, but imo it is the bare minimum to correct wrong statements you’ve made, and critisizing someone for constantly giving out false information (not necessarily the case here, just arguing for the broader point) is entirely fair.
It sounds like a few people came over from Twitter
It's the same analogy as linking the google doc and risking the chance of people sending hate on darkviper. People are too emotional when debating it's stupid not everyone is gonna be satisfied.
@@toebs_ but that's an absurd stance to have. Being mad that people make mistakes/report information that isn't absolutely accurate/etc.? Being wrong is just part of being human and dealing with other humans being mistaken is inevitable. It's a dumb way to look at the world and when you take it so seriously that you have neurotic outbursts online like Viper does, it's embarrassing.
Everyone on the internet has apparently never made a mistake, let alone more than 1
Imagine most adults had conversations, admitted wrongness, and cleared up misunderstandings the way Charlie does. What a different world this would be.
Actual utopia, and when they did insult each other, it would be truly legendary
they both made videos for content. The "adults" would just talk over private message
@@cameron2851 What a terrible take lol
It’s like you just had amnesia after watching the video and forgot the part where Charlie was getting literal emails accusing him of being a rapist. No fucking shit he needs to make a video to address things and clear things up
Indeed, I saw Matt’s video earlier today and I really did fully understand where he was coming from and when I saw this and started watching it I was worried that Charlie was gonna do the generic TH-camr thing where he calls everything a misunderstanding and dances around the point
Which is just why I’m so fucking glad he didn’t, he admitted his wrongs, he’s going to try to do better and gives an understandable response and highlights where Matt went completely wrong, specifically with the consent argument
@@linhza501 On the net its still better to adress things before they become misrepresented unless you're a big company that can suffocate it. Especially when the claims originate from Twitter which is a big game of telephone and where people take vitriolic sides really quickly and oversimplify and sensationalise stories.
It's a bit of a stretch but look at someone like Projared. Who had (factual) allegations of cheating but since he took his sweet time to respond to them they turned into fake allegations of child stuff and ended up with his noodles being leaked all over Twitter.
Additionally it's understandable that Charlie got defensive and wanted to respond to the criticism he was getting as fast as he can. Whether trolls or not words have a meaning and it'd be hard to find anyone who's willing to go a prolonged period of time while being called something they are not.
Going after Charlie’s “quality” is ridiculous considering there has been steady growth for 10+ years. As someone who found Charlie as a pre-pubescent teen and now continues to watch as a young balding adult, I am here for the PERSON he is. Content will always change but the person behind the content will be what keeps people coming back.
I guess I'll never know if this guy meant to say young balding adult or young budding adult and if it was a typo it was an excellent one.
@@brandimccormick4439 LMAO unfortunately balding is the correct word here 😂
I found charlie as an adult and I don’t think I'll get tired of his content since his entire personality is very entertaining for me, sometimes even watching for hours and he still makes me laugh at times.
@@pbnzay7171 Do you not see those LUSCIOUS LOCKS! Blasphemous.
Yeah Charlie and Someordinarygamers are the two channels that never got old for me.
i’ve been a part of your channel for years, your content definitely isn’t lazy. not even in the checklist days. your content is simple, and always has been which i’d imagine would be difficult considering it’s obvious that you’ve been putting more work into your vids. i love the simplicity, as many others do, and you’ve kept it for a long time despite small changes to your persona and pretty big changes to your content. you’ve done great, O Lord Moist. i wouldn’t trust anybody more with my drink.
it is lazy. lazy content is not a bad thing if its good. stop the cap and just accept it
@@bobmango8472 if you can manage to sit in front of a computer screen literally 24/7 and record videos, edit the videos, then plan and make and edit the next video, upload every day and still find upwards of 2 hours in the day to do a full stream, all while managing an esports team and a warehouse, creating and shipping merchandise, and somehow trying to maintain a social life with his friends AND sustain a relationship, lazy is the last thing your work needs to be called. it’s good to be critical of your favorite creators and it’s not like i’m oblivious to the fact that his videos don’t require a lotta effort to make, but if that’s the content he wants to make then he’s doing it. that’s not being lazy. being overcritical is what makes people make drastic changes to their content that the majority of their fans won’t enjoy.
@@bobmango8472 His videos aren’t lazy, if they were he wouldn’t go back and do stuff like hours of research, also he was alive during the events of almost everything he’s talked about. He’s been there, he’s got a clear picture and he also makes very diverse content like vlogs, gameplays, and more than just reactions lol. Far from lazy
@@peachaboo6180 Ah, yes. Hours of research which ended up with him making countless apology videos for being wrong. And especially "being alive." You know, perhaps i might be somewhat of a researcher myself? I'll just tell them that i'm alive, that'll work.
@@bobmango8472 you know.. I’m somewhat of a scientist (researcher) myself lol 😂
That's a pure example where YT dislikes would be a decent overview of community thoughts on this....
no it would not, DarkViper has less followers
153.745 Likes vs 3600 dislikes as of February 10th.
it would still be helpful as long as viewers from either side can forego bias
Get the Chrome extension.
@@thedevilhimself1728 i tried :(
As a content creator being constantly compared to how you used to be 3-4 years or even 1 year ago really sucks. It's hard for the audience to accept change in the people they idolize the most.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging...
Yeah
That part just genuinely upset me. I'm not even a content creator and I hate being compared to my past self. Things change. People change. I can only imagine how he feels being told that basically every day that his content was best during his worst days.
Who tf even are you?
Lol get over it ur job is ezpz
The emotion in Charlie's voice when he talked about how his content transformed over the years got to me. Fuck, man. That hit way too hard. You're doing amazing, my guy. Never stop growing.
All links above are spam i got baited hard please don't fall for them as i did.
Idr, it makes me mad ppl are hurting his feelings ☹️
Me too man
@@frankdone01 As a general rule, never click on any link !
@@frankdone01 thank you good sir
As a person who's been sexually abused/assaulted I definitely agree with Charlie here, no one should ever compare things like that to sexual abuse, it's not at all the same, even in an exaggerated scenario, it's still just shit. Like dont do that that shit, and if you do or you defend that argument, you are an actual piece of shit.
Edit: I won't change what I said before, however I will add this, I was mad in that moment, mad because myself and many others I know that have gone through that stuff would willing rather have someone continuously take pictures of out in public then to ever have that happen. To the people that defend that argument, you aren't pieces of shit, but you are despicable, and I genuinely hope you find someway to see how this could hurt people. Sexual assault and people's pictures being taken without consent are not comparable, they are not similar in any other sense than lack of consent, but that lack consents effects are drastically different, one leaves someone broken, feeling disgusted with themselves, not being able to look in the mirror, shattered at the thought of someone touching them again intimately, wondering if it will ever happen again, and sometimes ultimately leading to suicide... the other is an unwanted picture. The news literally does this on a regular basis. Even your favourite youtubers have probably done it at some point. And you can say "Oh well he meant the ones that shove cameras in people's faces" but the whole point was consent of picture being taken and its comparable to sexual assault, but it's not.
its people like you who that made me see what this fanbase is really about, blindly following information and believing.
I'm sorry you were sexually abused ( really am, that is messed up), but like darkviperau says in the response, it's a fake situation and won't affect you at all. Because he used that argument does't mean he's for sexual abuse. And the story is so twisted it's insane.
@@36OZ I mean darkviperau just made a shitty analogy. no ones asking him to make an hour long, teary apology video, just hey don't say that, cause its kinda fucked up that you're comparing such a terrible, disgusting thing to a thing that kinda sucks, but isn't too awful really.
also im so sorry that happened to you and I hope you're doing ok :(
@@atticus07 I am, thank you, still have therapy which helps.
Are you doing alright now? I genuinely hope you are; it’s such a terrible thing to experience.
Charlie's trap card: being humble and willing to admit when he's wrong
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging.
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wow seeing charlie actually upset knowing people prefer his old content, when he says he was miserable is heartbreaking.
@King Longface Yo this sucks ass
@King Longface Lmfao, wannabe rapper
@King Longface wtf is that
@King Longface shit rap
its mostly annoying to me because even if you don't like his new content they should still be happy that he enjoys his new content more. you could even tell from his voice that it wasn't enjoyable, sadly people only think of themselves
Damn, Charlie really sounded hurt when he talked about all of his efforts making videos compared to back then.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging..
People always like to talk about the glory days it's not just him it's with everything like how sports were more competitive back in the day animations were more crude and didnt care people will always talk about the past cause they miss it I think it's just human nature to think Bout times in your life you valued as good
Ok I'm gonna be the first actual person to reply to this
He sounded hurt because he actually hated his content back then to the point he almost quit youtube
Edit:damn it spicy beat me by 3 second xD
Not a place I’d expect to see your name, but cool to see you here
@@B1ackWolf it be like that sometimes
I also love his 2010-2015 content but that's when I felt miserable too. I'm his age. At that time I could relate so much to his state of mind. He changed, actually thrived, and so did I. I support personal development because that's what life's all about and why I'm still alive. I don't have to like every video to support the guy and be happy for him. Keep it up Charlie
Dude try to relate to people that knows that you exist
@@derangedsockpuppet678 ???
@@derangedsockpuppet678why you being toxic for no reason. Of course different figures will resonate with you, even ones that don't know you. Saying they can't is a deranged take derangedsockpuppet
@alanquiq1116 yeah you're right I guess i was in shit mood that day
not a reason to shit on someone else's day tho my bad
@@derangedsockpuppet678 Everyone makes mistakes though, taking accountability is what set people's apart. Have a good one
It’s rare to see someone admit something hurt them and even rarer still to also admit they got things wrong. Not only does he talk about taking actionable steps to improve his content he really is able to see through the rant to the points made in this not meticulously crafted 14 page document. Charlie you are definitely a real one
Most would deny the fact that they are wrong, and Charlie explains it as an experience and fully admits his wrongs. I love Charlie, and I see Viper’s point, but he was being irrational, quite loud and, yeah needed 14 pages to get to a point.
@@victor2055 watching things isn't a wrong lmao who cares if he watches things on stream? Isn't the whole point of people uploading things to reach as many people as possible? Kinda weird that he's letting some idiot who's butt hurt influence how he runs his streams
Honestly can't remember the last time I commented on a youtube video, and have only done it a handful of times for the 15 years I've had an account here. Damn near clicked away too for the first 5-10 minutes, because I haven't really followed, and therefore didn't understand at first, the issue you're addressing in this video. Am really happy I didn't. Your rant at the end of the video, especially, earned you a new subscriber. Absolutely love how honest and down-to-earth you are, and truly admire how you open up and communicate with your viewers like a friend. Keep being awesome, dude, feel like I subscribed to a friend today and regained some faith in humanity in addition
Bro is spitting fax
bruh
There’s a reason he’s so popular
its so crazy thats people get so intense over someones video just cause they didnt like the way it was put together its not like critikal is the news ans you have to take everything he says as facts
@@calvarez94 cool story bro
There's more pain in his voice during the final rant than when he hit himself in the balls unpacking a pooping unicorn toy. As much as people will be nostalgic for the older style of some if not all creators, it's still a shitty thing to tell you directly that you're "not as good as before" I have witnessed people change their style of creativity in all sorts of media, and I don't really notice the change because I like them that much, I'm that invested in their content to continue supporting them and watching them grow.
Knowing that you're happier with this new style brings us a smile, you keep doing you Charlie.
I really hate when people feel the need to say that stuff. Like it's the creatives entire freedom to whatever they please and if people don't like it, then they can watch / listen to that older content. My first experience with this was when Linkin Park changed into a more electronic style and people criticized them for being too experimental, while their style in their early days was experimental too.
@@run7388 woah hey no need man
In all honesty, I used to watch your content in highschool back in that 2010 to 2016 time frame you talk about and it was funny the first time I watched it but I wanted more then what you were doing. But within the last year I came back and found out that your content has totally changed and in my opinion for the better. I really love your new content and I have viewed more of your new videos and rewatched them more often now than then. You seem happier and more excited to make your content now looking at it from when I did watch you and now and I am happy to hear that you are making content that makes you happy. You may have had good days in the past but from what I have seen, you have even better days to come. Have a great day to anyone that may see this.
It's the same issue with PewDiePie. People are always forcing him to play amnesia again even though he has on multiple occasions stressed that he never enjoyed it. He also has mentioned that now he's very happy with the content he's putting out because it makes him happy. Charlie should not be shamed or forced into making the old content he used to make and infact should be applauded for diversifying into a broader field in different content which he has been doing for the past years and is actually really enjoyable and genuinely great content.
why did people hate 2010 pewdiepie
It's like when he was on CinnamonToastKen and asked him if he remembered back when they'd have to fake reactions like they were scared because it wasn't scary. I don't know how people thought that was legit lol. Not that great of content.
Well regarding amnesia, not so much true. He's stated a lot he used to like it, but all of his reactions were faked. He stated though multiple times he never enjoyed Happy Wheels despite being asked to play it a lot.
Sure but he shouldnt be upset to called making lazy content and stealing views
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Darkviper didn't called them lazy , he called them bad people and sexual predators.
Don’t think I’ve ever heard Charlie speak this emotionally. Been watching since 2017, of course it’s hard to gauge people thru a phone or computer screen, but Charlie truly comes off as such a genuine person. I personally think a large reason Charlie does so well and continues to grow is because how transparent and true to himself he seems to come off.
No.
Tf.
You havent..
MISS INPUT
@@mikehitchcock5753 Fk you talkin bout??
@@kidslikeyou_edgysansquote It's a meme where Charlie says, "That's a misinput!" Don't think too deeply about it
When he says, "That's it, see ya" instead of "That's about it, see ya" you know he's serious.
basically every video
Charlie the amount of passion you have for creating content is a gift to the world.
Charlie is so stressed about making his point and misconceptions clear. Mad respect dude, even the things you did get wrong were not that bad at all and understandable
@@lordboyardee4088 how did he defame him? Did you not watch the videos?
nah, he did a pretty shitty job
@@lordboyardee4088 lol obviously. To me it seems like Vipers doing this for clout and it’s obviously working for him
@@stevenpaskatitties4986 No he isn't. I've been following him for long enough to know he isn't that type of guy
Its because those darkvaper fans who go on an asshole crusade raiding charlies email and say some nasty shit, i absolutely hate those people and hope he adress this problem and tell his community to stfu and stop harrassing people.
I’m not gonna lie, I’ve never seen Charlie be this frustrated, he’s speaking fast and carrying on sentences for like 10 seconds with no breaks. *It’s quite scary.*
Holy shit are you the guy that was wanting Lego Star Wars The Complete Saga on the moist meter?
yeah he's actually distressed by this stuff
@@gabiferreira6864 I am too. This is people I have dated and it makes me uncomfortable. You can't have a reasonable discussion with someone who is being completely unreasonable
@@twosquids Well, DarkViperAU did correct a lot of Charlie’s points. It would be understandable that he is struggling to defend him’s claim as he didn’t do good enough researches just like how his video on shorts got corrected by 2 other creators.
@@gabiferreira6864 realmente Gabriel Ferreira
Hearing Charlie talk about how hard he's worked these past few years is genuinely upsetting because you can hear how passionate he is and how this upsets him. You're doing great, boss man, don't let those types of comments drag you down
bots are invading uh oh
He literally just open the stream and talks, that is not hard work, ffs
@@Svol09 Why don't you do it then?
@@Svol09 You didn't watch the video, did you
@@PastPositive cuz it's beneath me to entertain people, i hate everyone so much that if y'all go extinct tomorrow i'll die with a smile on my face. Probably will happen during my lifetime seeing how life is going. Fingers crossed.
I watch all of your content, from your wrestling, the slap fights, all the way down to your rants and “react” videos. I genuinely enjoy it all. I will play your videos and let them play while I’m at work, just for the simple fact of you add so much value to your videos and explain what is happening so well that I don’t need to actively watch the video to follow along.
You can really tell he is deeply hurt when he was talking about the comparison to 2010 charlie he constantly gets. As soon as he started talking about it, his tone changed ever so slightly, you could FEEL that it is something that truly hurts him. Keep it up man, your content only gets better and better the more you grow, and I hope I can enjoy it for as long as I can, love u
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He’s insecure about it because yeah, his content HAS changed a lot since then because his income depends on it now and he’s honest with himself that his small cult that followed him because of his quick dry humor is mostly gone and replaced with kids that like drama content
@@theeoddments960
Not really, dont see a lot drama videos being constantly made like the cdawg or vinsauce drama. He only talks about drama that's usually serious, or might involve him and friends.
I dont know where the whole "drama for kids" came from but if I had to guess and judging from your past comments you're probably only referring to dream drama. Which is weird to make up that idea from one video.
@@theeoddments960 Content seems the same to me, and the cult fans are still there. You must not be a great fan if you think there's been change for the worse.
Shutup
Charlie you are a legend. As someone who has watched you for 10 years and was inspired to become a streamer thanks to you, your content has only gotten better and better. You’re a real one and as long as you’re making the content you wanna make, I’ll keep watching and cheering for you. Take care, man.
yoooooo
Yo its Karen! Your music's dope!!
^ This 100%
Ayyyy yo
If he's a legend he should take down the other video. You can't get credit for "being able to admit fault" and then still get money for slandering someone with disinformation.
The issue is a lot of people see two sides of an argument in only black and white. They see it as one is 100% correct and another is 100% wrong when that’s almost never the case. So whenever someone makes a claim they don’t fully agree with, they think they need to invalidate everything about that person completely. Good on charlie for seeing right and wrong in both of their arguments.
@@arzaqqwWhat. Could you give me the time stamp?
@@arzaqqw and darkviper is 100% right?
@@pickletickle8407 true
Us politics in a nutshell
*politics*
My mom used to say this thing to me when I was a teen. "People hold on to the version of you they can control." They try to put you into boxes to make sure they have power over you. That seems like it could explain why he keeps referring to you as just a react streamer when you're so much more.
@DarkL0rd_Helix okay.
Wow, you blew my mind with that. Your moms a freaking genius.
I see that
idk man he is a streamer that primarily do react contents
he is a streamer who reacts to content
The people who reference your "glory days" are just a loud minority. You're at 10 million for a reason. Your videos show your passion and you are genuinely one of the few people out there on the Internet that shows true humbleness. Brush this off and keep doing what you enjoy, we'll be here to watch
He literally grew by 3 million since i subscribed a year and a half ago lol
you can have a billion subscribers and still be a dead channel if u get like 1mil/video
@@Colinop I wouldn’t call his channel dead though
@@karama5562 oh for sure it's just subscribers =/= if your channel is "in it's glory days"
@AliSand his content's kind of dipped
Charlie's emotion towards the end when he talked about the content that he is so proud of creating really hit the feels man. Your getting better every day Charlie, keep doing what you do best.
Im so happy to hear Charlie's speech at the end. Congrats on hitting 10 million. I've been waiting for you to hit that milestone for years. Im glad you're happy making content now. Can't wait to see whats in store for the future
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *Begging you guys, literally begging*
*Looking at the responses
“What’s going on in this dark mansion on the hillside?”
When I enjoy a reactor's personality it mimics the experience of watching the content with a friend. Thank you for the reaction videos of great content that I would not have noticed, keep doing god's work my friend, shout out to channel 5 news.
There is a reason that after the hell that was 2010's reactors, "Reaction Channels/Streamers" still stayed because we as a community enjoy sharing experiences with others. I have trouble with mental health, and my main pain right now is that I don't have anyone to share my interests in. My family don't enjoy the same things I do, and my friends never want to meet in person, so having someone react to stuff that I enjoy and giving their opinion feels great. It feels like a friend just chatting with you.
Ikr!? Good point, it does feel reminiscent of watching goofy stuff with friends like the old days sometimes, and he's not doing cringey reactions like many. Aaand how many times have I gone to other pages or topics after I happened to catch a reaction that I wouldn't have heard of otherwise... It's insane other TH-camrs don't even know a fraction of his public portfolio apparently before jumping on him 🤦♂️
but that exactly what darkviper pointed out. people prefer the reaction video over the original one because of your reason. and the reactor takes all that money for the original creator's work. It's like watching a movie with your friend and your friend takes all the tickets sales
@@EOh-ew2qf I watched the video Captain Oblivious, you missed the point and I could not care less.
@uzi_does_it_2017
Meaning you’re fine with allowing reactors to steal from people that actually work on content while those people get none of the benefit?
Also, thanking Charlie for the “great content I would not have noticed” is so absurd considering you’d likely still find some good content even without Charlie’s help because that’s literally how the algorithm works. Charlie just takes those impressions (and potential views) away in turn for his reactions to those videos being displayed instead.
So, again, you’re fine with Charlie and many other reactors doing this and harming everyone else but themselves? If so then reconsider your morals.
Charlie: "I get things wrong"
Me: *sees video titled, "I was wrong again" from 4 days ago*
Me: "Yup, checks out"
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DARK VIPER'S FANS ATTACKING CHARLIE
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DARK VIPER'S FANS ATTACKING CHARLIE.
Damn you got bots
@@angelux079 you got any bot spray?
@@Briggsian I honestly don't know why TH-cam is allowing this kind of thing
Holy shit i nearly cried at the end. 😥 people dont realize how shitty it is to feel that people would put pressure out of you to be this idea of a guy that they expected you to be. It's just so fucked up. Let a person grow and be happy. Love you Charlie.
very well said, he just got his 10 mill and gets this shit to deal with so sad
heck even let the guy who wrote that 14 pages a video dont judge things when it still vague
This is why I like Charlie. He admits when he is wrong, but he is also willing to defend himself
Give this man 1.1k dislikes!
Kinda reminds me of pyrocynical response
@@MichaelYT22 he just copied from the top comment
@@camzchanneld6531 oh whoops.
More than that, he's not actively malicious in his defense. He sticks to the point and doesn't add unnecessary attacks. It really shows his character. Pretty refreshing to see
I hate the argument of "you should have waited for me to make the video" when he could have waited to post the article when he had the video ready, instead of posting the article and getting mad when people misinterpreted it.
Charlie, your glory days are not "back then,” they’re now. Don’t let these people get to you, your content is OBVIOUSLY not lazy. Keep doing everything you do; you are an inspiration.
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Most of it is, but it was lazy back then too his content is not based on production value it’s based on his personality and dry humor. every once in a while nowadays he puts real production value in his vids mostly the sex toy vids he actually spends money to make an entertaining video but let’s be honest, his reaction videos where he either just watches tv shows or other TH-camrs videos in full is where he gets a lot of his money from.
There's no doubt his content now is comparatively shittier. Not admitting to that is delusional
@@theeoddments960 did you see the squid game videos? Where he got fans together to participate in a giant contest, or the whole E-Sports thing, which generates a net-negative, not to mention the comic and music coming a long. I wasnt around in the early days of Critical but from what ive heard his current content is what he enjoys so much more than back then. Idk bout anyone else but content feels better to me if i have the impression the creator has fun making it.
it IS lazy. thats doesn't matter. what matters is the end result
I feel like people saying your content is lazy now or worse than before are people that used to watch you but dont really follow you anymore. Then they see one video where you react or w/e and extrapolate from it, which is just dumb. Your content is so much better than before and I enjoy a lot of what you put out (some is not for me but hey you do so much different stuff its normal). Anyway keep it up my guy, don't let these people bring you down, you're doing great.
I totally agree because I thought that too. I had stopped watching Charlie around the time he showed himself, just happened to line up with me watching less TH-cam. And when I saw his new content, or at least a new video at the time, I was a little disappointed. But giving it another try I just saw that it was different than before. Not better or worse, just different.
Yeah dakrviper seems like hes being so extreme about this, which typically doesnt bode well for being the "correct" or sensible take. I agree with dark viper that most reaction content is garbage but I never really got that vibe from Charlie at all. & I'm not even subbed to him or really a fan of his, but I just wouldnt put him in the same category as the truly shameless reactors. I havent seen anything from him this egregious
@@Tunazap really makes me think about how much everyone is growing and not just myself
I agree 100% because this is how I came to like him in recent years because he's more about the conversation rather than just sharing and being like "what do you think?"
It's a lot more insightful and he has a lot to add that helps me learn more about what he's sharing with context too. It sucks he seems to be targeted for being popular when I can list a lot worse creators getting way more views doing significantly less than Charlie.
@@WhiteCharisma & he only gained popularity by being entertaining himself. People come to see him, not the videos hes reacting to. It just provides content for him to bounce his style of commentary off of. Just like when people watch let's play'ers
That moment of Charlie explaining how people reference his old vids honestly hurt me. I felt like I can hear some sort of hurt in Charlie’s voice there.
Ultimately I think both sides have valid arguments on the situation, however when you present your side of things in the way DarkViper has then you instantly lose any and all credibility your argument had for the sake of shock value to attempt to "win", when in reality you just nailed your own coffin. Just comparing the video responses about the situation you instantly get a sense of who has a more composed viewpoint, ranting and raging about your side of it won't make people listen to what you have to say any more so than if you just presented it in a composed manner. That's why Charlie has always been the best when drawn into drama, even when making mistakes he admits he is wrong and presents the information as factual as possible without stooping to starting problems with the creators and criticizing their actions objectively rather than in a biased manner.
pretty much what he did with Muta too. that dude really has some issues, which is a shame because he does have some valid points, just has no tact or ability to turn them to a conversation...
be objective and stop worrying about how its presented.
@@uncertainboy8893 You can objectively look at an argument and agree with its points while still pointing out the flaws of the individual presenting it, someone might objectively be in the right on a situation but if you present that information like a man-child and go as far as comparing people watching content to sexual abusers then your argument is going to lose traction because no matter what you believe EVERY person on this planet will look at the extraneous circumstances first rather than the true message, for example if you preach world peace or something along those lines your argument itself can be objectively agreed with yes, but if that same speech is coming from a racist homophobe whose version of world peace is mass genocide of those they deem "un-peaceful" then can you really ignore the presentation of the argument? Much more extreme example sure, but it is the same premise, if your argument is being presented in a problematic fashion then yes it does in fact affect the message as a whole to the audience it is presented to. Just look at what actually happened here, DarkViper had SEVERAL people even in his own community agree with points HOWEVER because of his "metaphors" the whole argument becomes focused around that and NOT what the main point was to begin with.
@@TheWhiteWolf6911 as someone with a similar problem of people not understanding what i mean - i feel for Viper. It is so frustrating, to the point of despairity (no idea how to write this word btw), to see people not understanding simple things. You write entire page of arguments, facts and points. But they will latch on 1 word they didnt liked and completely ignore everything else. And even more - in this anger i'm not mad at person. I'm mad at the fact, that no matter how hard i try to explain - person wouldnt understand.
Things to consider in this situation:
1. This thought was distracting Viper from editing video. When you think about something important - you cant focus on other things until you express your thoughts.
2. Viper lives alone. Basically no friends, family, girlfriend. All he has - his audience. So he can express only to them.
3. He writes a script for a future video, that will take a lot of time making. But he is busy with editing pacifist run. So he expresses his thoughts in a script to his audience.
4. It is a script, not a scientific paper. It is meant to be made for an entertainment video. With big words Viper uses on a day to day basis. Like overlords. Obviously things are exaggerated for a comedic purpose.
5. His script was send to Charlie from Viper's reddit post and his twitter. And Charlie reacted. Viper didnt thought that someone outside his community will find his script.
6. Charlie completely misunderstood document. I would even bet he didnt read it in a first place. Probably someone send him link and said "This guy wrote bad things on page 4, 7 and 12". So Charlie read only those pages. And made video defaming Viper.
7. Viper, now unable to make a proper video and facing backlash - had to made a response. Where he obviously pissed for a right reason.
And this is the problem. People do not read. At all. They glance over page, looking for some word they can use for their own bias. Then read line with that word in it and made up stuff, that isn't even there. I watched several videos reacting to Viper's document. NOONE read it from start to finish
@@nemesisVtuber Not that his document didn't have valid points but unfortunately it is indeed true that if you aren't mindful of the words used in any circumstance, people will latch onto the most eye-catching phrases and sections, and arguing the text was a script and not a formulated paper is a little disingenuous when Viper himself referred to it as a 14 page document, and if it was intended as a script calling an informative document is a bit of a stretch, a key difference being that such a document should be in a unbiased academic form whereas you pointed out it is very clearly laced with his own metaphors and exaggerations, ultimately the document/script probably should never have been released in this format and the information presented through his channel in a video format, in the case of this being a script for said video also is a bit of an issue in of itself as why would he release the script before the video in the first place? Additionally I would say yes I believe most didn't read the whole thing, it's 14 pages long and most were probably finding it difficult to understand many of his metaphors. I get having difficulty getting across what you are trying to say, but if you take the time to write out this whole document you must have SOME level of understanding how these things should be presented in order for the message to get across. Again with the expression thing too, I myself live entirely alone and mostly isolated and I understand the need to spew everything to those you CAN access, however again if you don't curate yourself then some things can be misinterpreted or exaggerated. It basically boils down to whether or not this document was intended as thought out paper or script. In the former case then he really needed to cook this more before release to ensure people WOULD read through it fully and not lace in your own biased exaggerations/metaphorical phrases which people will read and question. If it was a script why was it public in the first place? Why let people read this whole thing a produce it for people to read over if it was not well thought out a curated beforehand?
Fuck, man. The last 5 minutes really got to me. Charlie, your best content is you at your happiest right now. I've been following you since around 2013 and I absolutely love your content now (and back then too) and seeing clearly how much happier you've been. I'm so proud of you, please remember that these people saying you were "better back then" are in the minority and we are here now for the YOU of the now. Thank you for everything, you're awesome.
If anyone genuinely believes that Charlie ever had ill intentions, they don't understand who he is
Jesus Christ?
@@calebking1608 no one “knows” him but if you watch his content you “know who he is”. Large difference there.
@@kamixxae1567 No, there isn't.
@@calebking1608 they are all 10 year old sheep, don't be so rough on them lol
Being wrong while having good intentions doesn't always make up for it. Not to say Charlie did something horrible, but it's something to consider in your personal life.
I actually see this as the ultimate response. By not only telling his rights but also his mistakes, he shows his true desire for no more drama. Just the truth. And if your position against arguments is keeping up your complaints without wanting any closure to that said debating. Then buddy... you're fucked.
Sadly probably DarkViper is going to prolongue this as long as possible so then he could have the last word
@@rusoruski3565 I mean he hasn't...
@@willson7360 Hopefully it stays that way. Because if he does try to keep dragging it out more than it needs to, he will only be making himself look worse.
@@nyancatpoptart5441 on both sides.
@@willson7360 I got shutted so badly...
I did see reddit posts saying Charlie had gone downhill, and as I've only watched for a few months, it made no sense to me. Of course, I went back to watch the older videos and the IMPROVEMENT is very clear. Then again, trusting angry redditors is like believing everything a toddler says when it wants attention.
Every channel that has changed even remotely will have people say they like the "old" version of a channel. Nostalgia is a big part of that, as well as shifting from one focus to another. He went from basically dubbing over bad infomercials, which is a fun concept, but gets old fast. Even JacksFilms' channel got kicked off from the same stuff.
Charlie is just way too nice
If only all of these bots weren't here.
@@Elfloods cry about it
@@Elfloods Your delusional.
Damn wth you doing here :DD
@@Elfloods lmao homie didn't watch either of the vids and came to defend their "guy"
The newer content really feels like that one meme of "look at this, just guys being dudes" in the best way, because its so god damn wholesome with a touch of Florida man chaos. I'm proud of Charlie and how far he came and glad he still isn't stuck in the bland 10 year old humor content that, yes I will look back on but never compare too, the variety and realness of the new content.
Holy shit looks at all those bot
"Charlie is a react streamer with dick jokes as the only thing that makes him fun. "
Charlie in the past few months: Moist Reviews, several gameplay walkthroughs/compilation, Music videos, Podcasts, Tierlists, Creator Collabs, DIY, Challenges/Tournaments, Toy Reviews, Vlogs, Speedruns, Etc.
He said that was the case when he was watching moist, which is most likely correct since his content was like that at one point.
He was mostly talking about his twitch streams
Yeah his content with Dale the Detroit Power Rangers was lit.
Don’t forget making the perfect French fries!
it's almost like he thought, "who can i go after with the biggest audience that i can maybe pull some eyes from for at least a short period of time.."
the end literally made me tear up, I enjoy your content so much and often watch it on the side while doing other things too, I have been for a few years and I never really strayed from that, I'm really glad that you're happy with the content you make now and I hope you continue to do great, I,ll support you for as long as I can
Charlie is literally so understanding he is trying to make everyone the good guy, it's really cool how you can put light on everything. Please don't change your content bc of one guy, you're great
Everyone is a more or less deluded or/and ill good guy, but goddamn is it hard to see that from one perspective in such a divided world...
Yeah, he made it look like both are in the right, even though viper was in the wrong in many cases too
I like how Charlie approached this response. Whereas most TH-camrs would shoot themselves in the foot and then try and deflect when they are clearly in the wrong. Charlie knows when he is wrong and will admit it with no bullshit. But what he can also do is backup his claims with facts and logic which I think is truly admirable.
🤡🤡🤡
I mean that’s what people are supposed to do when they make a mistake… I find it genuinely crazy that doing the right thing isn’t considered a norm.
@@soten4385 Well, the right thing is seldomly ever done. I think it's good to acknowledge it when it does happen. Just my opinion, though.
He got things wrong sure but is he in the wrong? The viper dude literally seems psychotic to the levels he will go to self victimize and die on a hill that no one else is willing to lol.
Really beautiful how passionate Charlie is about this and how open and caring and willing to learn and do better. He called out viper in a respectful, caring, and concerned way. This wasn't a petty backlash and he had every right to be upset that someone he liked would compare him to a sexual assaulter. Honestly it's Charlie's diversity that is just such a breath of fresh air. It's him gaming, making music, funding competitive gaming, expirementing that gives it such a charm and doesn't add that stigma around gaming that it's for loner outcasts who haven't left there room since God knows when. He's not afraid to show emotion and he's not going to be unphased about a very serious situation. We like you happy and doing what you love, Charlie.
Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Vegan gains/Nikavocado situation where the other person just keeps milking videos about charlie despite the fact that Charlie isn't looking for drama lmao
darkviper is a sad little man guys trying to open his book bigger for fame by this "14 page document" he will never be respected the way he wants because he is such a child at heart
He's just a guy man, I hate everyone saying how good and moral he is because it just holds him to a higher standard In the future. He's a good guy but he is also just a normal guy.
@@shetouchamypizzapie Charlie made a reaction to a video that didn't exist yet and basically attacked DarkViper, a much smaller channel, because of parts of the script making it seem like the guy is a lunatic tha completely lost the plot.
I personally don't agree with his tweets comparing reactors to predators but it wasn't included in the script and it wasn't the point of the script.
Overall I would say Charlie took many L's, including the first video he made on this drama but both him and DarkViper are reasonable people that change their minds when new evidence is presented and are willing to go into dialogue with eachother. DarkViper's reputation took a bit of a hit but even then he says in his video that he doesn't think Charlie is doing bad things on purpose just that he's ignorant to them which I think this video proves was a correct assesment. I dont think this will devolve into petty drama personally.
@@adambomb979 Seems that someone didn't watch the video lmao
Hope you stay controversy free like genuinely, over the years ive seen so many of my original favorite youtubers fall do to weird shit online but I’ve never heard non of that weird bs with you, thank you.
I know this may not reach Charlie, but I would just like to say that his content has not gotten stale at all. I watch his videos daily and all of his videos are amazing. Old or new, your content is amazing man. Take care.
Yeah we still like it
I binge watch Charlie’s channel constantly and have for months, after discovering the official podcast, I’ve watched so many that I’m fast running out of unplayed episodes on Spotify (down to about 100 I think) which is insane because I’ve only been watching/listening for about 6months. The videos, twitch streams, and podcast are so enjoyable I can just sit here and watch for hours, content old and new. I completely agree.
only TH-camr i watch religiously
Hes talking about when he just sits in stream watching someone elses videos
I just hope both, Charlie and Matt, can individually and privately solve it out and remain in good terms. You can actually hear it in his voice and see it in his eyes that he is very hurt. Not just because of the DV drama, but also because people don't approve nor appreciate Charlie's constant efforts in trying to create new, diverse cotent on several platforms, on a daily basis. Thank you, Charlie for being open and honest.
Key words “liked and respected”
I hope this drama won't get more personal
it should be only about the script not how eachothers content is good/not good
I love both Charlies, his old content and his new!
I hope it ends with GTAGuesssr and rambles like what happened with SOG
Yea same man
Damn, you’ve reacted to one of my videos on stream and TH-cam before. I was nothing less than elated that such a large channel even found my video (it helps that I’m a big fan of your content)
I think it’s a matter of opinion, but it’s clear you’re only trying to entertain people
That being said, reducing all your content and years of efforts to “A rich lazy reaction channel”, is such a demeaning and entirely unnecessary personal attack.
Hold your chin high dude, people know your worth
MOST creators dont have a problem with it. Why is charlie acting like that manchild has good points? Lmao
DarkViper's point being, even if you got a flick of exposure from Charlie, it was at a cost of millions of impressions that were given to Charlie's reactions instead of original content.
I mean, when RWJ was running =3, everyone agreed that his content was trash and mostly watched by kids that didn't know any better. And reacting somehow got EVEN LAZIER since then.
@@acreativename2781 because he did have some good points, and even in some of his not so good points Charlie misconstrued (unintentionally) a lot of them in turn not helping his case. In Charlie’s defense Viper continues to misconstrue Charlie’s points in the response. They were both silly
@@singami465 but many wouldn't have even watched the video or even known about it if it weren't for him. Such a grey area.
Jesus Christ Charlie is so cute with his dog
The dude in question is quite upset but he couldn't properly articulate his point. I looked at his tweets about it and I assumed the same thing before watching this video. Keep doing you Charles the fact you had the decency to clarify this situation instead of letting it blow over and ignore it means you're a standup guy.
If the media and politicians acted this way when they made a mistake, or were wrong, the world might actually work correctly.
If only.
yeah but there are a bit higher stakes in politics dont you think
@@blitzblix9455 Also more money involved.
And also people don't control hiw much politicians get by unsubbing or not watching lol
@@schmeetsonbeetson7168 lol
Man it really struck me when you were talking about how your glory days were in the past, you seemed so sad. Although I did enjoy those videos I genuinely think you have grown so much and your content has gotten much better. You are such a good person Charlie, and you continue to support that fact every video you make. Your glory days are now.
His content was, for the most part, much better before. The only thing he's grown is lazy.
@@screaminghairyarmadillo shut up Thomas
@@screaminghairyarmadillo shut up Thomas
@@ant_man1499 shut up ant-man or tell me how I'm wrong
@@screaminghairyarmadillo shut up Thomas
The defense of "I didn't even make the video yet" makes no sense when he released an unfinished script for an unfinished video. If he didn't want people to respond to it until it was done, he should have finished it first.
Well he clearly didn’t expect a response video to an audience which doesn’t regularly watch his content. I watch his content quite a bit bar a few series and even I don’t keep up with his outreach to his community on other platforms. This type of content usually gets put in one of his ramble videos which generate buzz for a little bit after upload from his core viewers/interested randomers, and that’s it. Not one of the people it concerns and certainly not a response video that’s been uploaded to the entirety of their fanbase.
@@VenomOnPC no response video would have occurred has he decided not to list any names in an unfinished draft that he was going to let his community read
@@notmeatman9557 The point still stands, people still say shit about those four list streamers ALL the time, whether that be randomers, news outlets or even other content creators who are just as big as DarkViperAU. It’s not even like he should have known better given he had a whole rambles series where he often talks about the latest controversies with no response videos coming his way.
Regardless, the people he listed were valid and do offer a good example of what content he was referring to. Of course it’s equally as valid for them to reply, but it wouldn’t be fair to call out DarkViperAU for not knowing any better and assuming they wouldn’t respond.
agreed
@@VenomOnPC if you put ideas out on the internet you are opening yourself up to criticism. If you don't want people to respond, don't say it.
This is the first full video of yours that I've watched. Very respectful, very well-spoken, kudos on explaining exactly what you got wrong & why / how, and how & where you agree & disagree with DarkViper. Great stuff.
“A fool thinks he’s a wise man, but a wise man knows he’s a fool.” I have a lot of respect for Charlie and this video makes me want to trust what he says more, because I see now he can swallow his pride and double check what he knows to find the truth
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging.
He hasn't swallowed his pride. He still has the other video up to his massive audience that completely misunderstands vipers point. If he was admiting hes wrong he would take the video down.
@@logankowalyk2580 not everything can be labeled on under blanket "right" or "wrong" like its a fucking coinflip. he clearly said what he wanted to say about the response
@@logankowalyk2580 like charlie said in this video if you watched it, he still makes many valid points in the last video so he will keep it up
@@logankowalyk2580 prove why darkviper community is garbage they do everything to blindfold Charlie points and make Charlie look bad
Really sucks to hear about that, I've always enjoyed the variety of your content as I joined after that era, it's always exciting to what videos and ideas you'll come out with next. Your channel has come a long way and your content is diverse and exciting, I hope you enjoy making content for a long time.
Don't click the links.
@@TheBigG2000 what are they?
@@Joe-Mama25 Either shameless self promotions or some kind of scam. I wouldn't trust it.
It's just a harsh reality that you can try your best at something and it still not be good. Sometimes the natural talent had to make something in 10 minutes that most people enjoy is better than something you work for 10 weeks on. He's just lucky enough to be in a position where he was able to use his natural talent to get to a point where he can make stuff he enjoys, most of us never get to that point in life. I love astronomy, but sending my observations to different scientific organizations doesn't pay the bills, and I'm not good enough at math to do it for a living, my natural ability in software development, as much as I dislike it, pays the bills.
There was genuine disappointment and sadness in Charlie’s tone talkin about how much time he puts in his vids
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@@djdndi elaborate.
Poor guy making over 6 figures a month needs to put time into his work 😢
The ending almost lowkey got me choked up when he meantioned all the things he’s been doing. Charlie and his bois are so much more and I admire him for that. You could tell in his voice that it got to him.
I've watched Dark ViperAu for a long time, and he has a knack for hanging onto things because of his pride. He's a fantastic arguer and usually keeps his logic straight, but in starting to see he just feels attacked and always fights back regardless of the outcome. It's starting to become tiresome at this point.
@@unbeatable617 nothing you stated have anything to do with his arguing skills. You can be a hothead and still provide logical arguments.
He would be a bad debated if he did a bunch of logical fallacies or made non logical points.
@@alctaurion9038 Matto has a medical condition that makes him tired and in reality, you really can't push yourself on stream and when you are tired, your tolerance is lower too.
@@unbeatable617 and he isn't. He's focused more on TH-cam now and only streams when he feels like it (like editing streams) or when he needs to stream to make the content for TH-cam (e.g. Twitch Controls GTA V Chaos Mod). If you have watched all the videos and read the tweets, the dumb 12yo kids from both fanbases fanned the fire by DMing the streamers saying nasty stuff getting both riled up and thus this mess. That is not on from both sides. The mods of both are in discussions with each other.
Viper’s pride won’t allow him to fully admit that he went too far with his argument. His hyperbole almost ruined his legitimate argument. In fact, people like Charlie are being gracious to see past it. Charlie talking about this has boosted Viper’s essay. I’d never heard of the guy until this.
A part of me believes Viper is doing it to stir up the pot to boost his subs. Everyone knows drama boost subs for certain TH-camrs
@@refugeemorales8003 That would be pretty cruel though, especially given Charlie has mentioned before that he's a fan of him. I think the guy was just talking through angry goggles. His future response will be the determining factor in my book.
It ain’t pride, it’s profit lmao
@@refugeemorales8003 nah viper is to stupid to resort to such tactics
@@refugeemorales8003 I don't think that's true at all. Dude is just angry and saying dumb shit
When writing a professional and informative document, it's up to the writer to define all the terms they are using. It's not Charlie's fault that he couldn't read DarkViper's mind when going through the doc.
Charlie understood the document just fine. DarkViper is trying to twist his own words
@@ZachPlum that's the way it seemed to me (based on the videos I've watched.)
@@ZachPlum fuckin exactly. You can also tell a lot by the tone each person takes in their response videos
@@sleeeto lmao
Viper’s response in the first five minutes seems as such: “I included some shitty remarks in my original report. People brought up those remarks and what they meant. I am now going to backpedal and redefine everything I said to defend my reputation.” This is not anything new or out of the ordinary from people.
You know, Charlie shouldn't be apologizing as much as he does in this. Viper made the tweet linking his article imply that react videos harm small channels with the wording. Viper was the one who said that reactors and sexual assault were similar. Viper was the one who put out the article to be viewed by the public, which would also include criticism. Viper did a poor job defining his terms, and its not the reader's fault for that. A video should not be necessary for people to understand an article unless it's a bad article. It's one thing to come in with the wrong mindset, but don't apologize over the article not being well made and the creator not doing a good job of helping people understand until it gets him in trouble. And Viper claiming that was Charlie did was just a reaction video while doing the same thing is just hypocritical. It's called an analysis, or does Viper only think that's what it is when he does it?
It's more the point that CHARLIE misunderstood this point, and then communicated that point to millions of people. The kind of reach that Viper himself doesn't have. He did the same thing with his "incomplete" video, and STILL defends it as worthy of informative! Yeup, I watch incomplete tutorials too.
Hell, I bet if Charlie never made this video at all, you wouldn't even KNOW there WAS a misunderstanding! Or hell, that there was even a document! You'd just assume it was Viper's failure literally only because Charlie says so. Maybe don't be such a sheep lmao.
@@flipribby was vipers issue with Charlie or just reaction channels in general? I don’t think Charlie’s nitpicking his points about reaction channels, but defending himself, whatever personal attacks were made. I don’t think he needs to become an expert in reaction channels or read every point in vipers rant to do that. Unless it was totally all about Charlie?
@@fn4ndor no shit
The whole thing is hypocritical lmao, he used to do video dono streams, he just privated or deleted the vods either not long before or not long after he posted the paper.
@@nonyab5640 he named names, those people he named have a right to defend themselves
In Charlie’s defense though, I believe the paper should’ve been able to stand on its own. This guy keeps complaining about how Charlie couldn’t wait for him to make the video but in my opinion, if the paper is well written then there should be no need for a video. The video being necessary to fully comprehend the points made in the paper simply mean that the paper is incomplete and he should’ve waited until the video was done and then publish both together.
Exactly, the internet ran with what it was given, if he considered just the script to be lesser than he shouldn't have posted it. It's only natural that The internet would go with what it had.
My thoughts exactly.
Irrespective of the larger argument, I don’t agree with that at all. Regardless of how well written it is, the VAST majority of TH-cam viewers lack the attention span or motivation required to read through a 14 page essay on something they don’t really give a shit about. Given the choice between just going off the way Charlie summarizes it versus actually reading the paper, barely anyone is going to choose to do the latter. You are way, way overestimating how thorough the average viewer is with checking the source material and seriously underestimating how willing they are to just go with the summary and interpretation in a video, let alone a video by someone as liked and respected as Charlie, no matter how mischaracterized the source material might be - as Charlie himself admits here, as if you read between the lines of what he’s saying, he himself seems to have generated his opinion (alternately, leaped to a conclusion) based on how he saw people on Reddit and Twitter summarizing or characterizing it.
Exactly, especially when the video is calling out Charlie specifically
well isn't that the point in publishing his script? the whole point of it was to be proofread and later when it can be used for a video he could have made improvements to it
Hearing Charlie talk about how people saying his old content is better makes him feel is pretty upsetting yet it makes me happy about how open he is with his feelings with us.
Charles is my inspiration, my parents said if I get 5K likes on my *"Easy On Me"* Cover They'd definitely buy me a better mic for recording, *begging you guys, literally begging..
ngl i feel like charlie really has changed since he started his new content. He’s become more arrogant and his fanbase defends every little action he does. He used to make fun of people that act like him. Idk what it is about doing commentary that changes TH-camrs, maybe cuz its low effort but gains a ton of views idk
Yeah, it's one of the first times if not not the first I've heard Charlie day he was hurt by something people say. Now I've never viewed Charlie as some he-man or Hercules TH-camr, but it makes him a lot more personal
It was honestly refreshing, how he pretty much set those people in their place, with saying how he’s much happier now, than passing it off in a one comment thing. That whole section really made me happy to stick with this channel for so long, and having seen it’s transformation from the ground up, from when he was just depicted as an avatar with a red hoodie, to him coming out with his full name, to being more outreaching, to here
It’s kinda hard to find genuine TH-camrs out there, even if those same genuine streamers ham up their performance from time to time, it’s still a dime in a dozen, and Charlie’s one of those dimes, in a pool of a dozen TH-camrs that will try and cash out in a certain goldmine
I honestly put him up there with Pewds in terms that, he likes what he’s doing, and if you don’t like it, so be it, and that’s good enough for me
@@demifolk8940 Everyone was literally telling Charlie that he was wrong on the last video
I have to give my respects to Charlie bro. He is truly one of a kind and the type of person i feel like I can relate to on so many levels mentally, humor wise, etc.. The way he has his mind setup is out of this world, even when he’s wrong and someone tell him that in a rude way he’s mature enough to own up to it, correct it, and don’t try to make an excuse for himself. I can also respect that he set high goals for himself, instead of sticking to one thing that dose well for him he’s willing to risk it all and expand his horizon simply for his mental health and it makes him happy. I could go on but Charlie are a respectable and great person, I think a lot of people will agree with that and acknowledge your hard work/ efforts.
@keep rollin what in the ancient tribe music is this bro 💀. Not gonna lie thought I was finna get rickrolled by one of these links.
He wasn’t comparing reactors to rapists, the analogy was to describe the idea of consent. You wouldn’t ask for consent after the fact.
I’m kind of torn on reaction videos because they can both help smaller channels and also just steal credit, or leech off someone else, in your case critikal actually helped your channel grow a lot. Anyways, great fan and you are one of the reasons I started playing piano.
@@salvulcano9061 he did help my channel, but I don’t think he was just “reacting” to my video, he assembled fragments from both sides of the argument, provided context, and told the story in his viewpoint. Charlie wasn’t just sitting there watching the entirety of my video, which I think is quite different than purely “reaction content.”
Thanks for the encouragement, I will try to upload soon. I hope your experience with piano is a joyful one.
It's truthly facinating how you can end up in the same comment section of a drama video that was uploaded a year ago with a guy from a famous comment thread sharing his opinion by a total accident at 2 AM. What a small world. Love it.
I feel like in retrospective the analogy was somewhat of an extreme example which caught people off-guard (mainly the ones being accused of it) but its 100% correct
Yeah it seems like people Don't see the point
I can't speak for anyone else but I, as someone who has been sexually assaulted, was genuinely a little offended by his analogy. It's weird, stupid, and off-putting. I'm not typically sensitive to this kind of stuff despite my history--really not at all--but those two things aren't at all comparable and I feel his stance sort of trivializes the severity of sexual assault.
It definitely does trivialise it and it made me really uncomfortable, like just compare it to other forms of theft, it was complete unnecessary and bizarre to liken it to sexual assault imo
"it's hyperbole but only slightly so"
one step forward one step back, I never understood why people backpedal and then immediately go forward with their initial point again. May as well have not clarified it was hyperbole in the first place. It just feels like someone testing the waters of how people react and if it's OK to keep trying to make a half baked point.
@@crypticlish6717 He didn't compare it to theft lol, he said that the type of person who would steal other peoples labor for their own financial gain are the same type of people who would sexually assault. He's not comparing the act, he's saying that the type of person who would do one aweful thing, might also do another aweful thing. And it's hyperbole as he said.
Stop being so soft
Quick! To the "Safe Space". You're manufacturing your own despair because "words."
Charlie : "talking and responding to drama"
TH-cam: ah yes, *gaming*
Edit: ey thanks for the 677 likes
Gamer moment
That's because of the Masterchief helmet in the background.
Pretty sure the uploader is the one selecting the category of the video
I mean Charlie is a pro gamer
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The biggest reason that analogy was disgusting, is that SA victims don’t put out their bodies for public “entertainment” to begin with.
Workplace theft is completely incomparable to SA and his incessant defending of the analogy makes me want to stay far away from him as a survivor.
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The SA analogy fit because the issue was about *consent* itself, the lack of consent from content creators for a reaction channel to watch their video on stream. It is a valid analogy, if one made in poor taste.
@@stonedwizard0420 theft is a better analogy,dont sugar coat it DKV is known for being trash at communication,nobody consents being robbed
@@stonedwizard0420 Theyre a victim i doubt theyll agree over the fact darkviper isnt defending rape because its a sensitive subject and its probably a trigger just seeing someone use it as an analogy. id be turned away from someone like that too. As they say, feelings dont care about your facts.
No, you miss the commonality. Lack of consent. Rape is wrong because lack of consent. It is wrong, if something happens to you (sexually or not) if you do not consent. CONSENT MATTERS!
I've followed you for awhile (maybe 2-4 years) and I love your content more than ever. The over the top vulgarity had its funny moments but the departure from it was a welcome one. I've enjoyed your current content now more than ever. You've grown and changed and it's inspiring. Keep it going man, much appreciation and love from me and many of your subs. Your variety shows your talent and transformation as a content creator over the years
23:39 As someone who had their life fucking ruined by almost being sexual assaulted, this was so fucking insulting, as you said. I managed to get out of it, and it still caused infinite trust issues, breakdown, mental and physical scars that haven't fully faded yet. Having someone compare that to reacting to a fucking video is beyond fucking offensive.
It’s sad that this is what we have come to. Someone reacts to your video and now they compare you to one of the worst acts someone can do to someone else. What have we come to? Sexual abuse isn’t a joke nor comparable to anything else except itself. It’s “not like” it’s “just as bad” it’s one if not THE worst thing to do someone. Reacting to a video doesn’t cause someone years of emotional and mental trauma, sexual abuse does.
I’m sorry you went through that, I can’t imagine how it affected you.
No one should use any traumatizing experience as a weapon to push their own agenda. It’s just so fucking wrong.
Hope you realize Charlie that 99% of people love that your new stuff makes you happy idc if you turned into a basket making Chanel I’d probably still watch you cuz YOU are what make the videos good YOU get me to click on anything that your in
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weird anology but I understand the point I agree
@@ddiamondsniper2631 I just think basket making is very different then what he does now idk why I though of that
I’m hoping to god this turns out like when Matto interviewed Dream. It was polite and orderly, and I don’t want Charlie nor Matto to be wrong in any sense. You guys both have good points, and I want you to solve this civilly.
DV seems to have a better time of being calmer and more reasonable when he's talking to something other than a camera yeah. Otherwise it seems like he just gets carried away.
Geesuz, but Charllie (or moist napkin, I'm still unsure of his name) is skewing things, here.
I am hardly a fan of either party here. However, I can 100% understand what DarkViper was saying when he said you are "taking content creators silence as consent to use their content" and made a very offputting joke out of it, by saying something to the tune of, "Hey! cover your drinks people! Because this one here takes silence as consent! "
Moist napkin understands this as well. He's just playing into the SA angle to deflect and that's ridiculous.
@@daisybelle2336 the validity of your argument is damaged by the "moist napkin" silliness
@@patrickhector clam? You almost lost me there you sure your taking about dv?
the fact that his made is matt and people call him matto casually is just hilarious
Charlie, we see you brother. We see your evolution as a creator, and your efforts, but we also see that you’re true to yourself. That’s why we love you. Keep it up!