In some parallel universe, Linus chose the painters route and has a massive Linus Paint Tips channel where he made a one off video about how some guy built a perfect PC for him, only with the wrong parts.
Two things I've learned: - don't apply the wrong product of paint to my walls - Linus can make a rant about paint incredibly entertaining and educational
He did the same thing when he explained his investment in Framework and the way the business side of LMG works on multiple occasions. If he ever retired, he could make a living doing nothing but teaching supply chain management.
@@anthonyewell3470 sure, maybe in your line of work. I'm employed for my expertise and if I ever feel like my boss doesn't value that I will simply leave.
@robert steedman This isn't customer service, but task completion. The boss is the customer service guy, but man had them loaded up with the wrong paint. So who's right, the guy who can fire you or the guy that can't really even help you?
I've seen Linus rage about tech, but even at "Apple purposely making repairs impossible" levels, I've never seen him gesture this wildly and scratch and paw all over his face like a crackhead looking for a fix. This rant was epic.
He was a house painter when he had nothing but passion and bills; it's finally found a vent, because I imagine he paid more money for this job than he received in his entire career as a painter. :)
even then, they didn't fill ANY of the holes so it's gonna look like patchy shit or they would have to do it all over again anyway. whoever he hired is GARBAGE
Linus is also wrong you dont put eggshell on the wall, I bet the contractors just confused with what the F he was talking about. Eggshell type paint only goes on wood or metal. Matt, mid-sheen and silk are the only three wall paints you put on a home wall. I bet they are laughing to themselves now putting on eggshell on every wall... ha
@@MegaTechGuy "eggshell is the one to pick if you have to use it for the walls on nearly every interior surface. In fact, except for the ceiling, no surface is wrong for eggshell sheen paint."
@@BKLettuce I used to be a trade paint mixer and paint sales man... you put on silk or (washable matt) if you want a scrubbable paint, not metal and wood paint!
he paid them for a specific job, and they did something else. The rant is totally justified, if you did this to a big company factory they'd have fines in the contract for doing this and delaying the project.
That depends... I work for a big factory. No contractor will take a job with us with fines. The number of times we have had to fix stupid contractor mistakes....almost every time. But then again we're not 'big' these days. We're only doing $200k HVAC upgrades.
you are actually on point there. you are paying for a specific service. its not something "hey buddy it's all up to you on the paint you will be using. go ham on it man". and it's probably not cheap so you have to give what the customer asked for.
Pretty common in the Vancouver area pretty much every company doing residential work is no better then a flyby night probably the only person ticketed is the owner the rest are skids off the street slapping paint on walls for minimum wage.
@@Morberis I read about the fines on the news regarding govt contracts for building roads and bridges; not in Canada. There was also an opposite condition that if the contractor finishes the work to spec, ahead of time, they'll get a bonus. So I guess in this case they'd put up with it.
I learned 2 things today: 1. Really double check a painter’s work on your house. 2. Linus would probably run the best painting business in Canada if it wasn’t for LTT
He is wrong thou, you dont put eggshell on the wall, I bet the contractors just confused with what the F he was talking about. Eggshell type paint only goes on wood or metal. Matt, mid-sheen and silk are the only three wall paints you put on a home wall.
I wouldn't. Half of the products complaints he had were misinformed. I live this shit for 50+hrs/week running a paint store. He's wrong about the paint & primer, eg-shell vs satin, and oil-based paint for ceilings.
@@fartface7447 i wouldnt really say misinformed since before he was in tech his main income was being a painter. i would personally be more inclined to trust someone with first hand job experience vs someone that just sells the paint to the people that actually have to do the work. There can be a large difference between what things should be/do and what they actually are/do. im not saying your outright wrong but im not saying your outright right.
@@fartface7447 I'm sure the guys who did this job for linus also live this shit 50hrs a week and look what they ended up doing, they ignored the customers instructions and ignored his comments when spoken to about it. just because you do the job doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
"Are you guys ready for Linus Story Time?" He probably didn't mean it that way, but that was probably the most threatening and/or suppressed rage tone we've heard Linus use.
yeah that was the tone of a man who has something built up that cant possibly easily explained away quickly. Feeligs bottled up inside that really REALLY pissed him off. . . .and it did lol
We're a family of painters - my dad has his own paint contracting business, both his brothers are painters, and their had had one before him until he retired. Mostly doing large buildings, manufacturing and the like, but occasionally some execs house. To this day, though I've not consistently painted daily in 12 years, my wife still groans every time we enter a new place as I cant help but point out so many massive failures when they're so glaringly obvious. I feel this rant at a primal level.
Bro I’ve painted for 15 years my wife does the same thing hahaha we go anywhere and I see all the fuck ups lol. The only thing I disagree with him on is super paint isn’t a bad product. I do agree paint primer is a gimmick. I prime and the 2 coat.
The biggest thing that always gets to dad, well all of us really, whenever we walk into a place that has an active job site is the amount of tape that is used. Tape on everything. Tape around every door jam, taper around every window, tape around every outlet.... "If you can't cut a straight lthe straight line, then get a different job!" 🤣
They messed with the wrong guy. I love how Linus rants about stuff, he did his job properly and he honestly expects others to do their job correctly as well.
I'm incredibly patient with people who are not at my level of knowledge on a subject, as long as I get the impression that they're actually listening and genuinely want to learn. I'll explain and explain again and again, try to be as positive as I can with my feedback and I'll compliment them on a job well done, even if it's not great yet but I know they'll do better in the future. But just like Linus, I don't want to deal with incompetence, no matter whether it's born out of ignorance or laziness.
@@RudyBleeker The one issue with that is when you hire a professional, you are hiring them to be competent and knowledgable. There is no leeway for a willingness to learn at that point since you are paying them to know what they are doing.
Linus ADHD Tips! He's commented before how he probably has/has had some form of ADD or ADHD, and to lose track of the absolute fury he felt about what he was about to unleash because he noticed David wearing nail polish tracks perfectly
I didn’t know Linus was a professional painter, but as someone who worked in blue collar fields, this kinda stuff always makes me laugh. When a contractor tries to pull the wool over a customers eyes and the customer hits them with a Ron Swanson “I know more than you.” Maybe on their next job they’ll think more about doing it right the first time instead of wanting to get it done quick and attempting to outsmart the client.
@@d_rut @Shabols yeah, I think he talks about it as a guest on a podcast not on this channel, I don't remember which, just that the interviewer was a nice woman, but he talks about being depressed at that job and basically running away from it to work in his passion, which was NCIX
This was genuinely entertaining and informative. We need MORE Linus rants. That's what the channel is missing, Linus being worked up and passionate about deeply explaining the stupidity behind the actions of "professionals". Phenomenal video. 👍
@@de_stroyed he was a painter though…. Maybe before NCIX or something, I don’t know the details… But he sure was a painter, this was mentioned in many videos. One of those videos was a Intel 5000 dollar upgrade video where one of his employee made him paint his wall.
When I was a kid, I never understood how adults could get so passionate and excited about things like furniture and paint. Im grown now and buying my own place, and I totally get it now. I feel Linus's pain
I work in retail selling paint. My boss at the time told me "Imagine different range of craftsmen that is going for an education. You got the more beefy muscular dudes: They become construction workers. The guys who have a feeling for design and function become carpenters. The guys who got finger ability and are able to keep track of small things become electricians. All the craftsmen can all become something because they have skills and mindset to be good at somethings. The rest who does not meet any criterias become painters."
Linus' description gave me the impression that the painters don't really know what to do. I am a bit annoyed at Kent and Home Depot who keep pushing latex paint (water + acrylic) instead of oil-based paint for exterior walls. Here in Nova Scotia I gave up on latex, it doesn't last in wet and freezing weather. I now paint my decks with oil-based anti-rust metal paint. I would use ship's hull paint if they sold it. :-)
True for all painters bar building restoration painters. Which, then again, those guys usually do like 5 different professions at once so that's not even painting that's just restoring. I revoke my exception; True for all painters.
HaHahahhaa It SO fucking true. Im a mechanic by trade, been moving into electronic repair as I see the future of my trade dying off outside of custom work and restorations. Electric cars are the future.. but alas I digress, Ive done Flooring, Ive done Block work, Cement, Framing.. and Ive done Painting... No other group of contractors has the MAJORITY of them as Meth heads. Simple Fact.
wait until he sees how some car paint shops paint their cars, as someone who was scolded at 15 by dad for orange peeling paint... the amount I see as acceptable in cars today hurts my effin brain. Then you ask if they wet sand and they give the "what's that? look".
@@KOSAMAGAMES Pretty well every GM vehicle for over a decade. My buddy owns a paint shop and he said you wouldn't believe how people would pick up their brand new car and drive it over to him to wet sand and fix orange peel.
guess the price is also so low that even with orange peel people come back? over here orange peel would make you legal to sue the painter and just getting a bad reputation for colour matching can get the shop bust even if it was a single occurrence, but then the price of just repainting a bumper in same colour as it was is fast 15000 NOK here (1700 USD)
Painters: "This is actually within the specification of the Master Painters Association blah blah blah" Linus: "Do not cite to me the old magic. I was there when it was written."
I did not expect a Linus rant to randomly be posted at this time of night, but this was a nice surprise. (Also at my old house which we were renting from, they put goddamn flat paint on the walls. Nothing ever comes out of flat paint, literally nothing.)
@@erickshaffer6615 You can't clean flat paint. Generally the more gloss the easier it is to clean. But the more reflection thus you see the imperfections easier. But I feel like its a little unfair to put so much emphasis on egshell vs satin, as it does vary greatly from brand/product to brand/product. Some eggshells have more sheen than some Satins. There is a standard way to measure it, but there isn't a standard for the words "eggshell and satin" If Linus was this picky, he should have specified the exact brand and product of paint to be used. Especially right now as at times it is difficult to get paint due to current global supply.
@@captianmorgan7627 oh yeah, that's exactly what they did. We even had a family friend who offered to redo the paint for free but they turned that down and took the security deposit instead
Man, the part where he described seeing the satin paint, explicitly telling them “you’re not gonna use that on the walls” and then having them do exactly that hits way too close to home. I swear there’s nothing worse than being part of a project where you see someone poised to do exactly the wrong thing, tell them *specifically* what *not* to do and then they do it anyway.
@@agawtdangedbear Because it's cheaper to pay people who don't have the knowledge required to do a good job. It's quicker to do it the easy way. Most people won't notice, or won't know enough to care if they do notice. It's why there's so many dodgy project home builders in every single developed country. If you pay idiots to do a good job they'll be there forever; if you pay idiots to slap it together and tell the client it's good enough there's a profit margin for you.
I'm not angry about it, just impressed with Linus's knowledge (and I understand why he is upset). That being said, there have always been contractors, trades, and builders with differing levels of knowledge and skill, this isn't anything new.
Yes, I am aware. He noted that he was a painter previously in the clip itself, and also it's pretty well known that he worked for College Pro Painters (not the most reputable contractor, you get whoever they send you)....
@@PhantomPhoton Perhaps just his character doesn't half-ass anything. Presumably the same character traits that helped him build a successful media company.
11:28 “They are billing by the job, not by the hour” and it’s actually a reason why they did that. They thought you wouldn’t notice or wouldn’t want to fight and they’d get money for less work.
He's right about 'by the job' and 'by the hour' not being the same, but 'by the hour' at least ensures you're paying for what you receive. When you pay 'by the job', a worker is incentivised to complete that job to the bare minimum of time investment required & then immediately go to the next job. More jobs in a week means more pay. Why spend more time than it "necessary" to earn that cash?
@@graog123 but they aren't doing the bare minimum, bare minimum would be fixing the imperfections before painting, not after. That's just moronic for a by the job job.
@@kurtlamprecht93 Not only is this some strange elitist bullshit thinking, Linus already mentioned in this video he used to be a painter for a living. So guess you're insulting the thinking power of the man with the content empire you just watched.
I know his dad was a painter, and it was another avenue of jobs he was thinking of pursuing before LTT, but wow I was still surprised, this is a HUGE Linus Paint Tips episode. Would love more.
It made me realize why my office paint falls off if you look at it wrong lol (got that 2 in 1 stuff off the bargin shelf at Ace). Still not gonna fix it though, this office is on the end of a slowly collapsing barn 🤣
@@MCXL1140 those 2-in-1 products are fine if the wall has already been painted and doesn't need to be fixed before being repainted....but if you're painting on new drywall or walls that have been repaired, always go with separate primer and paint. If you use a white primer, any holes in the wall will get highlighted by the primer and you can fix it before painting.
Linus reminds me of my old history teacher, whenever we didn't want to do any work in class we'd ask him about Ancient Greece. He'd go for a good 45 minutes on some random thing or another, you'd learn heaps, have fun doing it all while not having to do any work
I had some similar history teachers. The best one (meaning the one where we learned the least) was an older guy who at the start of class would ask people about current events in the news. If we could manage to continue the discussion long enough, we would go through an hour long class without talking about anything relating to the class.
my hs chemistry teacher was the same, but about his life stuff. like he'd tell us about his kids, or the time his calf muscle turned around playing football, or sumn like that, it was great. he was a rather intimidating speaker, but, he was very dedicated, and I admired him.
FINALLY someone else that is emotionally devastated by inefficiency. when they do things so wrong, just so... beyond stupid. entirely out of the range of rational comprehension, you could only assume that it was deliberate, because at the end of the day, this level of sheer incompetence could not have been an accident, and that is what frustrates me the most, personally.
@@dynamicpaintball nice, i just listed Google as the source since that was where i found it. And when you Google it you will see that it was used long before jp brought it up 😁
And you know what their answer would probably be like? "BuT wE'vE aLwAyS dOnE iT liKe ThIs..." That's the worst part in such situations. Thinking about it one minute would save them hours. But they are either too dumb or, what I suspect is actually the case, too lazy to just think about it one effing minute... So frustrating...
It's not just inefficiency, it's just how insanely often house renovators will get OBVIOUS THINGS wrong. Like, if the document says that the top and sink goes at 90cm, why would you ever put it at 80cm???
He just taught me more about paint than Walmart has in the 8 months i've worked in paint. I learn from my customers more-so than anybody else, and that's just sad.
I work in residential cabinetry and I can attest that the worst in people comes out when things don’t go flawlessly with their personal homes. Linus is 100% justified in this. If a client was explicit to me over and over and the wrong product shows up, I am at fault.
I blame company management, some people love to leave out specific costumer instructions the the laborers because they couldn't be arsed to re-explain it. Then when shit hits the fan they're super quick to blame the laborers.
actually as a painter of many years, that putty example you gave is the best and fastest way I've learned to do it through experimentation (hundreds if not thousands of houses at this point). The rationale they gave you on that one is spot on, if incomplete. Unless they already had two coats of paint on in which case who knows. But the process goes something like this: Prime > patch any big holes > sand > first coat of paint > patch (if the walls are white, you can either dye the patching compound, or put tape near them for visibility) > sand > spot prime the patches > second coat. This is very normal, and results in faaaaar fewer touch ups at the end of the job because of how difficult these patches are to see after just a coat of flat primer. Doing it any other way always always always results in missing some patches, and having to try feathering out the repairs into the finish coat, which is likely to flash off and you'll wind up doing a third coat anyways. Doing it this way saves an entire round of patching, and you'll have a nicer finish. Simply best and fastest. Also you absolutely can prime standard spackling with paint, so there won't be any coverage issues. that said the rest of what you described is pretty inexcusable 😅 I just don't want any prospective DIYers taking this as gospel, most information was correct
As a Tech who worked as a painter for years growing up.... I can't express how much I love this video. It is by far my fav LTT video ever... I can't even think of a close 2nd.
This stuff always makes me infuriated. If I pay you for a service, and I'm clear that I don't want compromise on that service, GIVE ME WHAT TF I ASKED FOR. Don't send me docs that say actually what I did was fine, nah. Y'all can actually get TF out of my house. Linus was 100% right to be fuming on this one...
It's like asking "Oh I want navy blue paint on my walls", and then they paint baby blue on it and are like "well it's on the blue spectrum". Like wtf...
If its something like that; sure, but from my experience people rarely know what theyre talking about. A bit of a story… i work on garage doors; new construction, tear out, commercial, residential, rolling steel, screen doors, pedestrian doors, gates, you name it… Well we had a commercial job a few years back. The distance from the ceiling to the opening was 16 ft. And they had a 14ft door, 6 of them actually. There’s this thing called vertical lift which essentially just moves the door straight up, it doesnt come back, really, at all, there’s also hi-lift which raises where the door is at when its back to allow more headroom and you can get that pretty much any height until it may as well be vertical, and then there standard lift which is what’s on nearly home and is the standard way; brings it right back right above the opening. Well this guy was looking at the price of vertical lift vs hi-lift vs standard and vertical was like $800 more per door and Hi-Lift was like $400 compared to standard, and since these were something like $15,000 per door its not adding much. But that was way too much for them apparently so they went with standard…. You may be thinking “well that makes sense, hes saving like $5k”…. Well, the track and operators need to hang off the ceiling and they need to be roughly in line with the top of the opening with standard lift… so each piece of track (2 per door) and each operator needed 16ft of hangs x3 for the track (to dissuade horizontal movement either side and lateral backwards) and x2 for the operator and its all done in this thick ass angle iron which costs about $5 a foot, thats roughly 800 ft for the building so thats about $4k just for angle iron. And gtaking into account that rather than needing 2 guys to be out there for about 5 hours per door; you needed 4 guys out there spending 8 hours per door to hang it all… at about $100 an hour, rather than spending the original $6k in labor, he ended up spending about $20k… and there were some other things thats went wrong like the people that installed the installation said the operators were too close to the wall so they just unhooked and dropped them all (even though they were a minimum of 16ft from every wall) so we had to go back out but thats neither here nor there. And on top of ALL of that; the doors run like absolute dog shit since theyre 20ft away from where theyre anchored so they move around a lot and there’s not really a good way to stop that that wouldn’t be ludicrously expensive…. Plus they dont have any vertical room inside which they need since this is a warehouse which houses heavy machinery (they’ve already taken out 4 of them in the past 3-4 years). All of this was explained to the owner of the company yet he was hung up on the extra $800 for vertical lift so we ended up charging him an extra $4200 per door for a far inferior result. There’s also been a few people who swear up and down that they know what theyre talking about and want a specific thing that just wont work and you pretty much have to say “this is what youre getting and you’ll like it” and sure enough they always have
@@Fetidaf lol just do what they tell you to do, even if you know better. Like, you can advise them otherwise but don't go any further lol, it ain't your house/building, so why bother?
@@Fetidaf your story doesn’t make sense. If they were hung up on the cost per door being $800 more and in the end you charged $4200 more per door, sounds like you didn’t do your job right. If cost truly was the deciding factor for that customer, then I don’t know why you as a professional wouldn’t have explained that it would actually cost over 5x as much to get the standard doors and in the end as you say charging the customer over an extra $20k. Something isn’t right with your story man.
"You used the wrong paint." "It's okay that we used the wrong paint. You want the wrong paint. See?" I work in hotel reservations. I cannot _imagine_ someone calling in because they wanted a single king bed and got two queens and saying, "Yeah, but two queens is fine. It's the same size room as a single king. I'm not going to fix it." Yeah, there's a lot more work in fixing a paint job than switching a reservation, but _my goodness_ you screwed up _royally_ so now you get to invest a royal amount of time and money into fixing your screw up.
Have lived this, booked a single king, was offered a single double, refused until they'd given me what I booked. It had a damaged lock, which I pointed out to them, and they kept my damage deposit because the lock was broken, the lock which I had pointed out to them. I disputed, they contested, I still lost.
@@hovant6666 That's crazy. The hotel I work at, if someone disputes, they almost always get their way. Even if they're clearly in the wrong. And we also get stuff fixed ASAP or, if not, put it in the notes and add resort credit. TBF, we are one of the top two hotel/resorts in the city (I think we're the best, but that's me). Although the dispute thing kind of sucks for me at times because I make commission on upsells. A guy asked for a $600 upgrade for two nights. We had the room, and the front desk agent completely took off one of the nights from the reservation because he was cute or something (yeah, she doesn't work there anymore). Then he disputed the $600 upgrade and, in spite of him being recorded asking for it and agreeing to the price, they took it off. All told, I lost out on $120 from the front desk agent and the dispute.
@@Matkatamiba For us, that mostly happens when people book third party. Expedia (for example) tells people that they're booking a specific room type, but they really book at "whatever is available" (the term changes based on the hotel). When I worked at the front desk, there was a woman who booked with Expedia for 2 queens because it was her, her husband, and two kids. Expedia told us... none of this. And she ended up with a single king and a rollaway bed for the kids. I should clarify the original post is if _we_ book it. If it's booked through a third party, there is absolutely nothing we can do if it's a sold out night and they showed up late enough that we already assigned all the people that specifically booked for two queens. And it gets even worse when it's a bad card that doesn't go through, so the reservation gets cancelled _months_ in advance and they _still send them e-mails reminding them to come in._ That happened once. Again, when I was working at the front desk. Basically, always book directly unless you're doing it through some sort of special deal (like a travel credit card).
I fully understand Linus, I'm tired of the construction industry, I worked in it for years, when you're told to do something one way, nobody cares about opinion, this is what you're getting paid to do, this is how you're going to do it... period
I wouldn't take the job if they tell me exactly how to do it. I understand what Linus is saying about choosing the sheen of product, that is absolutely his decision. But when I have owners tell me exactly how to do something 99% of the time it turns out much worse than if I would have done it my way. But maybe thats just the 16 years of experience talking.
Most construction companies these days are ran and supervised by people who are under educated and just generally piss poor at their job. Its largely due to companies not being interested in training people in middle and upper management they just love to take people who are good on the tools and with zero training or over sight expect them to be great at leading a crew and making the company money
@@Syndrometest Or, you know. You could ask. If they have a valid reason for asking for something to be done a specific way, that's entirely reasonable.
@@Syndrometest but it’s exactly the same as in the design industry like graphic design, you don’t make what you think is good, you make what your clients asks of you even if it’s worse then what you could’ve done.
bathroom walls (and most kitchen, laundry room, basement, or garage) should be shinier than eggshell & be rated for damp areas (usually a kind of ani-microbial) This helps in protection (water or other splatter) and also higher humidity bathroom walls should have "wonder board" style drywall & a water-resistant or even oil primer (that accepts water-based top coat) Exactly like he said, semi-gloss shows imperfections so often its a sheen between that & eggshell for a bathroom compromise, especially half baths or kitchens with backsplash that might do well with less sheen
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 My childhood bedroom had 45 degree angled popcorn ceilings, and as a tall teenager, I was constantly brushing up against it and making it flake off. I also hate the way it looks. I've learned to get used to the look in the various places I've rented in the years but still hate them.
As someone who does paint work and has helped build a house: YES. EXACTLY. EGGSHELL IS THE CORRECT CHOICE. Linus is also correct about satin being easier. But that is zero excuse to not use the product your client wanted and is requiring. The rant about inefficiency gives me life as well. You ALWAYS patch first and then prime and paint! The exact problems mentioned about exterior paint are why I have a brick house.
@@kaeden7570mortar, just cover the whole exterior wall on a thick layer of mortar and it will look flat or with any texture you want, before painting.
I only worked as a painter for a year in university, and even I know this kind of basic stuff. If I did even one of those bone-headed things, my boss would've fired me on the spot.
This decision probably came from the higher-ups then, and it makes it so much more infuriating cause if they're higher-up they know EXACTLY WHAT THEYRE DOING
@@BigCleverName There probably isnt "hire ups" but a single guy who hires laborers who was hired by the general contractor. This was probably miscommunication between sherwin williams and the new-hire who went in to pickup the wrong paint cause they were out (they have had massive supply issues in the last 8 months)
Nahh.. those guys defend themselves well and they are always right for themselves. This is standard behavior of un-educated-lazy brain. "I know the best and I am always right." My country is full of them..
I loved this during the stream. for a hot minute I was like "Man Linus is really heated about this." Then I remembered he's was a painter, so on top of the stress of home renovation you have someone who knows how the job is done. Also *writes down for future reference*
It's like some adjunct to Knoll’s Law of Media Accuracy - he was able to spot all the screw-ups in the painting because he knows enough about it to see the flaws, but he trusts that the other contractors have done their jobs right, when they could well be at least as bad, but he hasn't worked in those fields to know how to spot the problems.
Linus was a professional painter by trade for years in college/after dropping out, back before LTT was a thing. He painted houses for a living, but eventually quit when he couldn’t handle the immense depression it gave him to feel like he had no direction in life. He talks about it often on WAN show.
I get the sense that whatever profession Linus happened to work in, he would have this level of knowledge, understanding, and passion for. As someone in a completely different industry, that is an immediately recognizable and highly desirable trait set.
This rant was a banger, and very justified. I worked in a print shop for many years and any time I order something printed I get so frustrated with the small details no one pays attention to.
I felt this rant. I'm right there with you, it's got my blood pressure up. I've got a couple of these stories myself. Boggles the mind. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE SPEC DOCUMENT! HOW!?!? Good times.
Something as simple as the store waiting for product that will arrive the next day can lead to things like this happening. The contractor doesn't give AF, they'll take whatever product is available, and not mention it to the customer. At Sherwin, it doesn't help the customer that the Contractor Paint and the Customer Paint, are labeled, priced, marketed, and formulated differently while also conflated and compared to each other constantly.
A lot of installation "experts" do hack jobs just to get the job done quick. I've had that problem with professional air conditioner installation guys who didn't even follow anything in the manufacturer's installation guide. Ended up with great bloody holes in the wall that pests can waltz on through and one unit didn't even work properly until it was re-positioned under warranty (the temperature sensor was completely blocked against the wall). Then you confront them about the shitty job and get the typical "that's how it's always done". You pay good money and try to go with the most reputable company in hope of getting a solid result, only to get burned when they cut every possible corner to save labor costs. Assholes.
As someone who use to work a paint department for years and paints as a hobby it's so refreshing to find someone who understands my pain at seeing bad paint jobs
EVERY SINGLE CONTRACTOR I'VE EVER HAD. Though most actually did a poor job in addition to making mistakes like this. Getting PTSD reaction from listening to this and it is why I do most everything myself now, but sadly can't (and won't) for my small condo/townhouse HOA. Very smart and good that you had it in the document so you have legal backing in getting them to redo. This is the #1 thing I would tell everyone is to ensure that every single thing is extremely clearly specified in the contract. Protects you both. Agreed that satin and flat makes it so much easier to not notice texture variations (if you have orange peel or other texture) and roller lines than eggshell or gloss. It is why you use it on the ceiling. Also fully agree that patching before paint is easier and you can see the imperfections by shining a light down the wall. Doesn't make it meaningfully easier to see after painting.
I feel so lucky I got referred to a great contractor. But even he subcontracted to guys that didn't do a spectacular job and he personally fixed it & didn't charge me a penny of labor for mistakes. I can't imagine just hiring some random general contractor, I'd go crazy.
@@Mongoose3769 Lucky indeed. Sadly the subcontracting is often the problem and often the problem they create can't be fully fixed, only mitigated. The contractor making it right without giving you grief is really the sign you found a good one.
I worked as a painter for a year, this story triggers me. Sounds like when my work saved money on having inexperienced people who didnt know shit do the work.
My step dad is constantly having to battle this problem. He NEVER cuts costs, yet he can never find workers that suit his standards. He always begs me to come work with him, because I'm one of the few people who actually cares about attention to detail (based on what he said), but God damn do I find painting houses painfully mind numbing.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz (Bit late, apologies for that)... Hmmm 🤔🤔 Just a suggestions I'm gonna throw out there... Have you considered maybe helping your father find people that meet his standard given he considers you his current "gold standard" for a worker? If anyone would be able to tell if another can work with a similar, same, or better level of detail and care (about doing their job correctly) as you may seem to (apologies, I don't know you personally, no offense meant) while you were working with him, it would be you. I assume this because I'm also a person that takes serious pride in any work I do (whatever it is) and I do my best to cover every detail and do so correctly (I often tell people that half-ass things "If you're going to do it at all, then you might as well do it correctly the first time" becuase I personally hate incompetence, shortcuts, lazy work, etc as well) so I tend to notice those that lazily work with 0 care vs those that actually care and take the time to do things correctly the first time around. If you do this, you may win in two ways... 1) You dad stops asking you so much to come back, and 2) you help your father keep business going well.... while also getting him to stop pestering you to come work for him 😂😂
My job just painted our walls. Our CEO is disappointed in the color and they also went through the tape process after painting, so it’s been a month total as they’ve puttied, waited for that to set, and finally came back to repaint then putty anything else they’ve missed. It’s such a disorganized process.
I started this video as “ha, Linus is being a c%!t to this house renovators” and I finished up with “ohhhh Linus actually knows a LOT about paint”. Genuinely learnt a lot on this. Linus paint tips new channel? I’d watch…
somewhere in a dusty corner of the LMG office, James pulls out a notebook titled "april fools video ideas" quickly scribbles "Linus Paint Tips" on one of its pages and tosses it back on the shelf.
even if he was completely wrong in his reasoning why, if it's specifically in the contract between him and the gc like he said it is, he'd still be right. If I was Linus I would back charge the painters.
100% Eggshell! I went out of my way to log in and like this video. More Linus rants please! It's such a relief knowing that there's at least someone else out there so passionate about key details and not accepting a deviation. Why is it when someone is adamant and specific about a certain selection, someone else will let their imbecilic desires shine through.
I mean, literally, he could sue their company, possibly to bankrupcy if he wanted to. Sue for not doing the job he asked them to so he can get the money for the job back, and add to that the legal fees. They'd wouldn't be able to afford all that. Like, seriously, if someone asks for something specific, just do it! People have no respect for themselves or their profession and just want to do everything lazily.
This storytelling and explanation ability just proves to me what a god tier content creator he is. before this video i could not care less about paint, by the end I'm literally thinking about how to repaint some walls in my house. it's so cool to witness S tier content creators "create" on the spot
For the love of god, Linus, please. Do more content like this. It's so raw, unedited and true to form. Just pure, unabridged ranting about idiocy in this case. That doesn't mean all of this content has to be "ANGERY LINUS," just the kind of unscripted content that feels WAY more personal than all of the more common clips. even if they're just like. 10 minutes like this. I had no idea I wanted this until I saw this.
Huge fan of this video I'm a Painter. Usually the best way to catch as many of the small defects in a walls before painting including high and low patches from previous painters as well as holes or drywall mud bubbles is to go over the walls with a light on a 45 to 75 deg angle and looking down the wall you will be able to see imperfections easier and patch them before doing your first coat.
There are a lot of painting contractors who just hire unskilled labourers for painting jobs with minimal onsite training when in fact as Linus has explained really need a professional. Worth to do your research and ask questions.
This is really interesting cause I paint a lot, but I have always simply let the owner choose what paint they want on their wall. After this video I want to research about paint so I can recommend better products to my customers. I mean I am not a painter, I do everything, so I don’t expect to be an expert at everything I do, but all the customers I have done work for have been very satisfied with the quality of work, so I certainly try to be as knowledgeable as possible to provide good quality work.
Every company claims they have the best product it really comes down to your own experience with them and knowledge of application to create the best finish product.
Ya there are things to watch out for & it gets complicated, like figuring out there is a sub-layer of oil paint on cabinets and using a transitional primer to be able to paint a hard curing water based paint on it, or sanding it down which is a pain And getting the right product for basements that leak or exterior masonry that breaths effervescence or which paints are rated for walk-ability for a porch or semitransparent deck stain like, nobody at sherwin williams who got hired 3 weeks ago knows any of that stuff, better yet homedepot or Ace or even some contractors
I've learned more about paint than I've ever known, and surprised at how much Linus knows. But then he's an ex-painter, who sounds like he was pretty good at it. My own painting horror story: When we moved into our home, we got a painter to do the repaint. The painter was one that the handyman (who our real estate agent used on her houses) had worked with, and recommended. And, the paint job looked great. Until the paint started peeling off the trim and doors. Turns out, he used the paint we had wanted, in the color we liked. A latex paint. And the existing paint? Oil based. Know what happens when you put latex over oil? It doesn't stick, and peels if you look at it wrong. Oh, and the best part? The painter becomes "unavailable," then ghosts me. So does the handyman. But, the walls still look good.
This is the equivalent of being a mechanic, knowing you blew your engine, and telling the shop "I blew my engine -- please just put a new donor in and let me make sure it has the right amount of mileage." And then the shop agrees to your face, then the mechanic is skeptical, and then they rebuild your engine instead of putting in a donor. And then the rebuilt engine fails and ends up costing everyone more time and money than just using the thing that the customer WHO IS EDUCATED ON THE SUBJECT ** asked for. :)
Yup, and that's why i do almost everything myself. I can't stand people who can't follow instruction, even when they are paid to do it. And they get mad after when you explain them why they just had to follow the damn instructions as asked in the begining
@@toto29620 Ok SOMETIMES there are missunderstandings and its not always that easy to take instructions when the instructions aren't clear, BUT that's not always a valid excuse. (When your already getting paid from an experienced customer you want to get it done properly)
Just saying that some of your experiences may not be all their fault, not saying it's your fault (I know literally nothing about any of it) but communicating properly is a pretty big deal if you want it done right
Even if they're not educated on the subject, you should either: 1. drop the job 2. educate them 3. just go with what they want even if it's not optimal
I think Linus should open a channel called Linus Home Tips, or Linus Paint Tips. I think i learned more about paint with this clip than when i was remodeling my house and had to have it painted.
As someone who works at home depot in the paint department I found this video very nice and so many of the things that you said about the different products and the steps of dueing things is what I always tell people when doing things. However there have been so many times that I have been working and I got like I did this and im like why, you will have to do this again to make sure it is right. Then when it comes to the paint and primer in one, I have never been told that I need to sell the "paint and primer 1 coat" more I just recommend and sell what I think will work best and 90% of the time when it comes to people that want to do it right I always recommend a dedicated primer and then a paint to go along with it because, even though I haven't painted before its what I have heard is the best from so many people after working there for many years. Then when you talked about putting stain over paint I was like noooo whyyyy because and how you explained it is exactly what I tell people but nobody ever listens to me because I am just a person that mixes paint at home depot. Thanks for this clip even though I am a year late!
Ok, I definitely need to save this for when I need to paint walls - there’s so much useful and important information in this it’s crazy! Thanks Linus - sorry we have to learn from your bad luck rather than good luck!
I'm almost certain this was uploaded specifically to tell this particular painting business that absolutely none of their usual excuses they give to other clients will EVER work on him 😂
Yeah, except every pro painting outfit on the planet will laugh this guy into oblivion for thinking eggshell is more washable than satin. The opposite is true.
@@procarpenter1788 Listen again, closer (and yes; he's bouncing around among different subjects) - he was comparing eggshell to flat when discussing "wash-ability", and why it's a good balance between flat and satin or gloss... but then went on to comparing eggshell to satin in terms of what he *wanted*, specifically contracted for, and repeatedly verbalized - and the contractors were trying to tell him that eggshell and satin were "the same thing".
@@MrJest2 I think he was confusing matte for satin TBH. His comparison about washability and then his later comments about the painters using it to hide imperfections in both the paint job and the drywall only make sense for a matte (something more dull (flat) then eggshell.
@@procarpenter1788 Well, you clearly aren't good for your clients if you don't bother listening. He wasn't comparing with gloss at all. Also, while he did get satin and matte mixed up; either the painters used satin when he asked for eggshell, or the painters used matte when he asked for eggshell. They didn't do as he asked and paid for.
@@MrJest2 I watched again, and he definitely makes several references to his satin walls now being easily damaged and not as durable as what he wanted (eggshell). At 3:25 he even says "while it might look great to do a satin finish or a flat finish, the second you..."
Videos like these highlight how amazing of a storyteller Linus is, he can be as engaging when improvising and live as he is in a scripted and edited video
As a half decade long paint industry employee. I have a few comments related to this rant. 1. Paint + Primer combos are a complete marketing gimmick. They absolutely cannot replace the job of a dedicated primer. The only difference they have over standard paint is they take more pigment, thus decreasing the chance of bleed when going over bolder colors. 2. Sherwin Williams does not offer (to my knowledge) any product lines in both egg shell and satin in the same category. Some lines like ProMar and Cashmere offer egg shell, while lines like Super Paint, Duration, and Emerald offer satin. These sheen names are used interchangeably and carry the same gloss levels. 3. Higher gloss finishes DO NOT hide imperfections better than lower gloss. Glossy finishes are harder, thus more durable, however when damaged, very noticeable. Flatter finishes are softer, less durable, however hide damage much better. Think of trying to find a paperclip in a bundle of steel wool vs laying on a piece of sheet metal. 4. Although old ways suggest that finish directly correlates with durability, new technologies and formulas have developed products that offer high durability regardless of finish, allowing the customer to worry about one less aspect of their decision making process and focus purely on their cosmetic preferences. Source, 3 years Benjamin Moore paint employee + 2 years Sherwin Williams paint employee.
I also want to add this, When having your whole home repainted, it is advisable to visit the paint store the material will be coming from. Speak with the experts there about what you expect out of your project. They will be happy to help you develop a spec for your project. A visit like that could have been the factor that would have avoided all the fuss you went through.
This is up there with Casey Kasem going off on U2 and Bill O’Reilly’s ”we’ll do it live” rant in terms of unexpected rants. I now want MKBHD to rant for 20 minutes about Ultimate Frisbee.
This is why I do my own house and car maintenance. Having worked construction before and gotten burned at mechanics, I know learning from TH-cam/forums and doing it myself yields higher quality results.
Also, for some reason, everytime I got a contractor for my home renovation it's either one of those three : Guy with alzeimer who forgets everything, guy who's never on site and is super late or guy who does a shit job... They always have at least one of those problems.
While I think that is smart for many people to learn to do things themself, I hope you realize why that is not possible for linus, or some other people. As an ex painter I’m sure he would have easily painted his house by himself, but he would lose so much money doing that as opposed to running his business it simply isn’t worth it. My dad runs a substantially smaller business, and he can’t even do things himself anymore cause he’ll lose money. He doesn’t even have employees, that’s how small his business is, and it’s still more financially viable to hire someone and hope they do a good job rather than make sure it’s done well by doing it yourself.
@@andrewevenson2657 absolutely. That guy has way too much on his plate to do stuff like that unless it makes good content. I was more just commiserating with Linus over knowing how to do something but having to hire someone anyway just to watch the job done poorly/incorrectly.
I feel like Linus and I just became friends. Linus? Why don't we hang out? Oh - because we live hundreds (thousands?) of miles apart. I manage a large painting company, am a tech nerd, and a workaholic, who likes to learn new things. Pretty sure our kids are about the same ages and we're about the same age and height (you're not old or short, btw - you look great man). I'm going to echo Linus' rant. Eggshell, velvet/satin, flat, are *not the same thing* - They're SO DIFFERENT! The chemical content is different. I will say that - even in the last year - paint has come a long way. There are scrubbable velvet finishes (that I like much better than eggshell for common spaces *don't use it for bathrooms*). The only thing that I hate about velvet is that you can't really touch it up. You roll that on and in a year, you're rolling walls corner to corner again for a coin-size touch up. This was SUCH A GOOD RANT! Some painters are SO BAD. Also I love how passionate you are about it - clipping audio mad. Such a good rant. SUUUCH a good rant. Can I say it again? Such a good rant. If you're going to do something, do it right.
Can I just highlight something? "Are you wearing nail polish?" "Yup" "Oh cool, OK". As a guy who has worn nail polish for over 20 years, the decision to actually wear it to work was NERVE WRACKING. Linus's response here is perfect. Perfect. It gives me hope for future dudes like me.
Good man, I've never understood why it was a big deal to anyone. I've gotten a mani pedi once in my life when i got out of the marine corps. Did that with a bro I'd known since bootcamp and his wife. They asked us if we wanted nail polish and said fuck it. We had blue/ aqua colored nails for the last week and a half we were in before we got out. It was just fine.
Once you have learned a specific skill, you tend to expect quality service from others you deal with. But alas! the same can't be expected from so called professionals who are used to exploiting the ignorance of their clients to look good in their job!
Didn't know that. He's very knowledgeable. I am a pro painter. In the UK so the terms are a bit different but yeah the principles he's talking about are quite correct.
As a consumer I definitely feel Linus' diligence in pursuing his chosen product is justified and the painters should have responded to his concerns before applying anything -- I was also a paint chemist with Sherwin-Williams and later CIL who worked on the Canadian Tire account when they switched providers in the early 2000s back in my early 20s. SATIN/EGGSHELL was marketed as a synonym. You had FLAT, SATIN/EGGSHELL, SEMI-GLOSS, and FULL GLOSS. Which word was printed on the can depended on the product, and no product had both a SATIN and an EGGSHELL available. And I don't mean, "that I was aware of". I was literally part of the group that signed off on every formula that went to stores and boiling off all the science crap -- every one of them was rated for those four finishes and what word went on the can for SATIN/EGGSHELL was decided by someone who had nothing to do with the chemistry.
Yet PPG has Flat, Eggshell, Satin, Semi Gloss, where Satin has a higher gloss than eggshell and is easier to clean. There appears to be a lot of variation between brands, almost like there aren't any standards for what the terms mean.
Linus sounds exactly like a friend of mine who worked as a master body tech for Mercedes Benz Canada for 15 years (he ran body shops at dealers all over the country) before leaving to become a partner in an independent body shop that it turned out had been staffed with idiots who'd spent their working lives at low rent $500 paintjob joints like Macco where "quality control" is more a mere suggestion than a set of standards to adhere too. There were people employed there who had been working in the industry for longer than him who couldn't set their guns properly too prevent immediate orange peel in the new paintjob. There was even one guy who thought that "wet sanding" (a specialized technique where you use a wet scotchbrite pad too remove minor imperfections on the surface layer of clearcoat) meant "use a sanding wheel with wet 180 grit sandpaper on the car" which got them sued when the owner saw the $12.000 in damage that was done to his car. He got out of that place and ran back to Mercedes as fast as he could.
@@coolestto Apparently the idiot in question didn't know what wet sanding was so he soaked a bunch of 180 grit sanding pads that was meant for initial primer sanding in water put 'em on a high rpm grinder/buffer and went to town. Not only did he destroy the paint, he put so much heat into some of the panels that they warped so badly they had to he replaced. They were lucky it was a 90's vintage Ford Ranger (because parts are easy to get for them via the aftermarket) and not a new BMW.
In a similar vein, I was doing a woodworking project and wanted explicitly an oil-based tinted primer and an oil-based paint because my project was made with scrap plywood (it was a free little library, FWIW) and I know the absorption/porousness of plywood will not give me a very good result with a latex-based paint/primer, particularly since this is outdoors. I didn't want it to be so that a little nick or something makes all of the paint basically just peel off because it wasn't well bonded with the wood, which would be the case if I used latex on this low-quality plywood. At the hardware store, I said oil primer and paint, waited for them to mix it up patiently, and then they handed me latex. Satin latex. But I asked for eggshell oil. Then they tried to argue with me that it's "universal" and that satin and eggshell are synonyms when their own finish guide at the paint station disagrees. After much back and forth, they re-made it with oil paint and primer, but their software wouldn't let them tint the primer the exactly right shade. Fine, no big deal. But they were convinced I was wrong (they hadn't asked why I wanted oil paint) and made me buy the paint ahead of them mixing it. This wasn't even premium paint nor was it a large size. Just the size above sample. Quart, I guess. The audacity. The library has been outside in the elements for something like 4 years now. The plexiglass door has needed repair a few times because I used some really bad off-cuts of plywood glued together to make the frame, so the wood bows slightly in the damp months and pulls out the hinges every 18 months or so, but the paint is perfect. And because I went with eggshell, I spray it with a hose to get bird crap off of it. Satin should be reserved for whatever bad job landlords always do; everyone else should buy eggshell or gloss (for bathrooms/kitchens) and forget other finishes exist. If you're going to go with flat ever on a wall, just buy Kilz primer and leave it unpainted and save yourself the effort to paint it since it's going to look the same (i.e., not good).
i seriously would have just said, this isnt what i asked for, im not paying for something if your too stupid to follow directions, like, give me what i asked for
"everyone else should buy eggshell or gloss (for bathrooms/kitchens)" Not semi-? I like semi for kitchens, but that's an aesthetic thing on my part more than an informed decision on applicability and long-term durability
I absolutely love how professionally Linus outright rants! “Great job f*****g up guys! Well done! You honestly are awesome at painting the wrong s*** on the walls!!”
This rant with experience and details on paint color/chemical/durability/type is astonishing. I didn’t know that Linus has such a background in paint. Loved it. Passion because it is his home but also industry standard was impressive. Well done and deserved a slow golf clap.
Eggshell everywhere except bathrooms and kitchens where you want gloss, use a separate paint and primer (and Kilz is a good primer if you have sins to hide), and then do good prep work (like filling the holes and sanding them down _before_ you do anything with a roller). You could use the world's shittiest paint and have a better outcome with excellent prep than if you used the best paint with bad prep. I've been told a good job is like 90% prep and 10% materials and I agree.
As someone who works with contractors there is a 100% chance that the person in charge got lazy and decided Linus was a typical uninformed first time homeowner and thought they could get away with whatever made it's way onto the jobsite and pressured everyone below them to just go with it because they're the kind of shitty boss who meets any kind of "talkback" by flipping the fuck out.
At this point, I am starting to enjoy his home updates and the Intel Extreme Tech upgrades much more than the 100th iteration of "we use a stupid method to watercool this PC". So bring on the "Linus Home Makeover" show...
Painters are notoriously difficult, shoddy and flakey. No offense to the good painters out there. If you are a good one, be proud and know you will be successful.
To be fair, it's definitely easier to see imperfections until after you've painted it. However I only know this because I spent a day patching a wall, painted it, then notice a bunch of small things I'd missed
BUT! those were the ones you missed, not every imperfection the wall had. You didn't just paint first, then fixed everything that wasn't temporarily hidden by the paint.
I've painted houses. Those imperfections appear after a paint job only if you've done a TERRIBLE job prepping the surface you'll paint on. There is no excuse at this day and age with the existence of power tools.
Finding the odd imperfection is fine. Finding 50-80 that they were saying were found, is because they couldn't be arsed to check for them in the first place. Laziness is incredibly common in a lot of jobs lately, and very much makes it come across like an amateurs work. Linus even said they did a brilliant bit of painting, but everything else is screaming sheer laziness, making their approach unprofessional as a whole.
I love that Linus has hyperfocused and learnt everything there is to know about paint. Then just raged and ranted about doing it right. The painters he's using probably don't know as much hahaha.
@@lenardgarza4955 He painted professionally for a while and owned a painting business. It's not that it's a niche he's interested in, it's that he was a professional painter at some point as well.
This is totally relatable. I learned about paint and long term products differences that make or break a job. I want to build my home a few years later when I'm established in my career. A mentor I had gave me the best business advice about contract jobs. Get it in writing, and work with a company that holds that document as the Bible for the job. If they say they will have 10 guys there every day and you show up and only see 5, call them on it. Corners will be cut to maximize profit other job sites. In the contract a clause of blame and fault of both parties not fulfilling their part is the most valuable part of the agreement. Get it in writing and signed or it did not happen and will not happen.
I had no idea Linus was a painter. I am a painter, a contractor, with 20+ years of work in the trade. I completely understand his rant about the paints, the colors, and the finishes he wants. However, his understanding of the type of paints that are required for specific uses are outdated. As is his rant about sheens. The high quality paints that I use now perform far better than Linus describes, in any sheen. 20 years ago his rant would be more or less spot on. That said, the customer always gets what they want, in my professional opinion.
Also, good luck getting any paint without any primer in it. I agree that you should prime everything before painting, but I mix paint and everything has primer in it now except for the cheapest thinnest stuff we sell... and those people also aren't using primer. Most of our contractors buy 1 tier up from the cheapest crap we sell, and it's going in $300k+ houses.
@@erix5184 I'm curious what brand of paint you are selling. I use Benjamin-Moore and Sherwin-williams. Thier top teir paints are not labeled as paint and primer in one. The labeling says they are good to cover some things just fine without primer. Like the Spackle spots for pin holes and nail holes, and other minor stuff. But then again, that is almost the same as what the paint and primer stuff says. Paints are different these days, better performing, for most of them. But the cheap stuff you can buy at big box stores suck, in almost every way that I as a painter want a paint to perform.
In some parallel universe, Linus chose the painters route and has a massive Linus Paint Tips channel where he made a one off video about how some guy built a perfect PC for him, only with the wrong parts.
And speaks solely French
@@Gabranth2 or is American O:
Sponsored by Sherwinn Williams
Linus Paint Strips :D
Instead of a screwdriver the LPTstore produces paint roller
Two things I've learned:
- don't apply the wrong product of paint to my walls
- Linus can make a rant about paint incredibly entertaining and educational
I've found that most experts can make their field sound interesting, but yeah paint definitely is not the most exciting topic to me and here I am.
i learned that jake is wearing nail polish
@@eepynicky But is the polish Satin or Eggshell?!
Talk about watching paint dry, AMIRIGHT?!
He did the same thing when he explained his investment in Framework and the way the business side of LMG works on multiple occasions. If he ever retired, he could make a living doing nothing but teaching supply chain management.
"They did an outstanding job of applying the wrong product."
To me this just screams "Good Employees, Awful management"
Oh a thousand percent. Probably why he didn't just name the company.
Ehhhh, hard to say given he called them out at the job site pointing at those specific cans of paint.
@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c If I'm an employee and he tells me it's wrong and my boss says it's right, it's right. The only other option is risking getting fired
@@anthonyewell3470 sure, maybe in your line of work. I'm employed for my expertise and if I ever feel like my boss doesn't value that I will simply leave.
@robert steedman This isn't customer service, but task completion. The boss is the customer service guy, but man had them loaded up with the wrong paint. So who's right, the guy who can fire you or the guy that can't really even help you?
I've seen Linus rage about tech, but even at "Apple purposely making repairs impossible" levels, I've never seen him gesture this wildly and scratch and paw all over his face like a crackhead looking for a fix. This rant was epic.
He was a house painter when he had nothing but passion and bills; it's finally found a vent, because I imagine he paid more money for this job than he received in his entire career as a painter. :)
I would totally watch LRT (Linus Renovation Tips) after seeing how passionate he is about paint.
My dad painted houses for 35 years, and I helped him for a few summers. I know this rant well haha.
Because he doesn't have to live in an apple product, as opposed incorrectly painted house.
Before Technology, he was his own boss… as a painting company. He cares about his paint.
"They did an astounding job applying the wrong product." The most underhanded compliment of 2022 lmao
Reminds me of the time Wade was asked if he has anything nice to say about Markiplier and he said “ I’ve seen shorter people”
@@sillynapalm i know bob and wade are quite a giant compared to mark.. but is he that short? probably because of the korean genes
even then, they didn't fill ANY of the holes so it's gonna look like patchy shit or they would have to do it all over again anyway. whoever he hired is GARBAGE
Yer that was gold!
No sorry but "Better than Dell" - Steve Burke from Gamers Nexus is better
The sheer panic in the room when Linus said "FUCKING EGGSHELL" live was incredible
Linus is also wrong you dont put eggshell on the wall, I bet the contractors just confused with what the F he was talking about. Eggshell type paint only goes on wood or metal.
Matt, mid-sheen and silk are the only three wall paints you put on a home wall. I bet they are laughing to themselves now putting on eggshell on every wall... ha
@@MegaTechGuy "eggshell is the one to pick if you have to use it for the walls on nearly every interior surface. In fact, except for the ceiling, no surface is wrong for eggshell sheen paint."
@@BKLettuce they're so unbelievably wrong it's hilarious.
Eg-Shel™
@@BKLettuce I used to be a trade paint mixer and paint sales man... you put on silk or (washable matt) if you want a scrubbable paint, not metal and wood paint!
he paid them for a specific job, and they did something else. The rant is totally justified, if you did this to a big company factory they'd have fines in the contract for doing this and delaying the project.
He paid them for a specific job, and then tried to make sure they didn't fuck that up EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. Holy shit what a buncha idiots.
That depends... I work for a big factory. No contractor will take a job with us with fines. The number of times we have had to fix stupid contractor mistakes....almost every time.
But then again we're not 'big' these days. We're only doing $200k HVAC upgrades.
you are actually on point there. you are paying for a specific service. its not something "hey buddy it's all up to you on the paint you will be using. go ham on it man". and it's probably not cheap so you have to give what the customer asked for.
Pretty common in the Vancouver area pretty much every company doing residential work is no better then a flyby night probably the only person ticketed is the owner the rest are skids off the street slapping paint on walls for minimum wage.
@@Morberis I read about the fines on the news regarding govt contracts for building roads and bridges; not in Canada. There was also an opposite condition that if the contractor finishes the work to spec, ahead of time, they'll get a bonus. So I guess in this case they'd put up with it.
I learned 2 things today:
1. Really double check a painter’s work on your house.
2. Linus would probably run the best painting business in Canada if it wasn’t for LTT
Linus is one of those people that would run the best business in whatever field he is in. He is just one of those people.
I knew a bit about painting until Linus started talking.. then I realized I KNOW SHIT!!!!
@@_MIEW linus home makeover?
Linus would be the Gordon Ramsey of house painters.
@@_MIEW Elon Musk's style? 🤣
Unironically saving this for when I eventually buy a place
He is wrong thou, you dont put eggshell on the wall, I bet the contractors just confused with what the F he was talking about. Eggshell type paint only goes on wood or metal.
Matt, mid-sheen and silk are the only three wall paints you put on a home wall.
@@MegaTechGuy iirc most houses in Canada are made of wood
@@MegaTechGuy Eggshell is a universal use-case paint. You can do better research next time.
@@MegaTechGuy I think he literally mentions (in passing) at one point that its going on wood.
@@MegaTechGuy how much professional painting experience do you have?
We need more Linus Paint Tips
Lol, you've beaten me to it
Seriously, Linus has so much painting knowledge.
If linus cat tips can get over 200k subs, I’m sure linus paint tips can get successful too!!
Linus Paint Chips
Yes please!!
So…. How do I consult Linus when I paint my house next…
Simple. Refer back to this video.... And if you're hiring painters, refer back to this video multiple times with said painters present.
I wouldn't. Half of the products complaints he had were misinformed.
I live this shit for 50+hrs/week running a paint store. He's wrong about the paint & primer, eg-shell vs satin, and oil-based paint for ceilings.
@@fartface7447 i wouldnt really say misinformed since before he was in tech his main income was being a painter. i would personally be more inclined to trust someone with first hand job experience vs someone that just sells the paint to the people that actually have to do the work. There can be a large difference between what things should be/do and what they actually are/do. im not saying your outright wrong but im not saying your outright right.
@@daholl8942 Yeah, as someone who has worked at both Lowe's paint and Sherwin, I'm convinced Sanch has no idea what he's talking about.
@@fartface7447 I'm sure the guys who did this job for linus also live this shit 50hrs a week and look what they ended up doing, they ignored the customers instructions and ignored his comments when spoken to about it. just because you do the job doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
"Are you guys ready for Linus Story Time?"
He probably didn't mean it that way, but that was probably the most threatening and/or suppressed rage tone we've heard Linus use.
yeah that was the tone of a man who has something built up that cant possibly easily explained away quickly. Feeligs bottled up inside that really REALLY pissed him off. . . .and it did lol
I would unironically watch the fucking hell out of a Linus Story Time series
@@ThatXavierCosta everybody would.
Ghost Face asking if I like scary movies wishes he could be this threatening.
Yea that made me a little bit scared lol
We're a family of painters - my dad has his own paint contracting business, both his brothers are painters, and their had had one before him until he retired.
Mostly doing large buildings, manufacturing and the like, but occasionally some execs house. To this day, though I've not consistently painted daily in 12 years, my wife still groans every time we enter a new place as I cant help but point out so many massive failures when they're so glaringly obvious.
I feel this rant at a primal level.
Bro I’ve painted for 15 years my wife does the same thing hahaha we go anywhere and I see all the fuck ups lol. The only thing I disagree with him on is super paint isn’t a bad product. I do agree paint primer is a gimmick. I prime and the 2 coat.
My dad was a painter and he used to complain about bad paint jobs all the time too.
Shouldn't you feel this rant at a primer level?
Same thing for my dad and grandpa with my grandpa's painting company. I can see so many lazy jobs all over town done by other companies
The biggest thing that always gets to dad, well all of us really, whenever we walk into a place that has an active job site is the amount of tape that is used. Tape on everything. Tape around every door jam, taper around every window, tape around every outlet.... "If you can't cut a straight lthe straight line, then get a different job!" 🤣
They messed with the wrong guy. I love how Linus rants about stuff, he did his job properly and he honestly expects others to do their job correctly as well.
I'm incredibly patient with people who are not at my level of knowledge on a subject, as long as I get the impression that they're actually listening and genuinely want to learn. I'll explain and explain again and again, try to be as positive as I can with my feedback and I'll compliment them on a job well done, even if it's not great yet but I know they'll do better in the future.
But just like Linus, I don't want to deal with incompetence, no matter whether it's born out of ignorance or laziness.
@@RudyBleeker The one issue with that is when you hire a professional, you are hiring them to be competent and knowledgable.
There is no leeway for a willingness to learn at that point since you are paying them to know what they are doing.
@@88porpoise correct
He did their research for them, essentially, he reminded them frequently, and they still fucked it up.
@@MrGreenAKAguci00 basically linus studied about their job to make sure they do their job perfectly.
"Are you wearing nail polish"
"yeah"
"oh cool ok"
loved that little interaction
Linus ADHD Tips! He's commented before how he probably has/has had some form of ADD or ADHD, and to lose track of the absolute fury he felt about what he was about to unleash because he noticed David wearing nail polish tracks perfectly
cringe ngl
Loved it too. It's such a small thing but the fact that they had that exchange says so much about our evolving societal/physical/fashion norms
I too long for the day my boss notices soemthing small about my appearance 🥰🥰🥰
It was a good segway
this rant serves to remind everyone that before NCIX Linus ran a house painting business
Been watching for years and just now finding this out
Just now I realized I was confusing Linus and Colin Furze old jobs, I though Linus was a plumber and Colin a painter
Oh I thought he was just an employee. Didn't realize he ran the business. But after this rant, it makes total sense.
I didn’t know Linus was a professional painter, but as someone who worked in blue collar fields, this kinda stuff always makes me laugh. When a contractor tries to pull the wool over a customers eyes and the customer hits them with a Ron Swanson “I know more than you.” Maybe on their next job they’ll think more about doing it right the first time instead of wanting to get it done quick and attempting to outsmart the client.
@@d_rut @Shabols yeah, I think he talks about it as a guest on a podcast not on this channel, I don't remember which, just that the interviewer was a nice woman, but he talks about being depressed at that job and basically running away from it to work in his passion, which was NCIX
This was genuinely entertaining and informative. We need MORE Linus rants. That's what the channel is missing, Linus being worked up and passionate about deeply explaining the stupidity behind the actions of "professionals". Phenomenal video. 👍
videos like this keep this platform human tbh
Linus Professional Rants…
I actually got all excited when I saw the video title.... Subject matter difference aside, this is exactly what I sounded like the other day....
@@noahzinc love it!
Louis Rossman can help you scratch that itch, also tech-related, coincidentally.
Linus ONLY got them to repaint because he detailed the work order.
Make sure your work order is detailed and clear. Contractors mean tight contracts.
Wow, LTT taught me more about paint than I ever knew to ask.
LPT (Linus Paint Tips) when?
@@parkman29 no, he worked at NCIX lol.
@@de_stroyed he was a painter though…. Maybe before NCIX or something, I don’t know the details…
But he sure was a painter, this was mentioned in many videos. One of those videos was a Intel 5000 dollar upgrade video where one of his employee made him paint his wall.
@@smaronboruah might've had a side gig before ncix, and I think that video was denis' upgrade.
@@de_stroyed quite possible!
This might be the single most passionate rant I've ever seen from Linus
He ranted harder than even the studio display debacle at the wan show😂
Yeah hahaha 😂😂😂
@@skycubix8943 Make sense since he’s gonna be living there.
nah i love his red camera rant
The only Linus rant of which I’m aware that even remotely comes close to this is the Nvidia Hardware Unboxed rant when the scandal first came out
When I was a kid, I never understood how adults could get so passionate and excited about things like furniture and paint. Im grown now and buying my own place, and I totally get it now. I feel Linus's pain
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Man, I moved into a dorm for college and I'm already feeling stressed about furniture! You're telling me it gets WORSE?
@@YBPaladindid it get worse?
@@CanOfSpriteFoundInNewYearsEve Oh god yes. I got my own apartment now and Im making floor plans...
@@YBPaladin I wish you luck!
I work in retail selling paint. My boss at the time told me "Imagine different range of craftsmen that is going for an education. You got the more beefy muscular dudes: They become construction workers. The guys who have a feeling for design and function become carpenters. The guys who got finger ability and are able to keep track of small things become electricians. All the craftsmen can all become something because they have skills and mindset to be good at somethings.
The rest who does not meet any criterias become painters."
Linus' description gave me the impression that the painters don't really know what to do.
I am a bit annoyed at Kent and Home Depot who keep pushing latex paint (water + acrylic) instead of oil-based paint for exterior walls. Here in Nova Scotia I gave up on latex, it doesn't last in wet and freezing weather. I now paint my decks with oil-based anti-rust metal paint. I would use ship's hull paint if they sold it. :-)
True for all painters bar building restoration painters.
Which, then again, those guys usually do like 5 different professions at once so that's not even painting that's just restoring.
I revoke my exception; True for all painters.
HaHahahhaa It SO fucking true. Im a mechanic by trade, been moving into electronic repair as I see the future of my trade dying off outside of custom work and restorations. Electric cars are the future.. but alas I digress, Ive done Flooring, Ive done Block work, Cement, Framing.. and Ive done Painting... No other group of contractors has the MAJORITY of them as Meth heads. Simple Fact.
... And the ones who don't even have the skill to paint end up working in paint stores.
@@fumikato Bob Ross-like people are more like artists, so not even fair to compare them :D
As a painting company owner I completely agree with everything Linus said.
wait until he sees how some car paint shops paint their cars, as someone who was scolded at 15 by dad for orange peeling paint... the amount I see as acceptable in cars today hurts my effin brain. Then you ask if they wet sand and they give the "what's that? look".
@@KOSAMAGAMES Pretty well every GM vehicle for over a decade. My buddy owns a paint shop and he said you wouldn't believe how people would pick up their brand new car and drive it over to him to wet sand and fix orange peel.
guess the price is also so low that even with orange peel people come back?
over here orange peel would make you legal to sue the painter and just getting a bad reputation for colour matching can get the shop bust even if it was a single occurrence, but then the price of just repainting a bumper in same colour as it was is fast 15000 NOK here (1700 USD)
Painters: "This is actually within the specification of the Master Painters Association blah blah blah"
Linus: "Do not cite to me the old magic. I was there when it was written."
+1 for underutilized meme XD
I did not expect a Linus rant to randomly be posted at this time of night, but this was a nice surprise.
(Also at my old house which we were renting from, they put goddamn flat paint on the walls. Nothing ever comes out of flat paint, literally nothing.)
I thought flat paint was good in areas like the garage because you can touch it up easier? Where eggshell it isn't as easy to fix scuffs
@@erickshaffer6615 You can't clean flat paint. Generally the more gloss the easier it is to clean. But the more reflection thus you see the imperfections easier. But I feel like its a little unfair to put so much emphasis on egshell vs satin, as it does vary greatly from brand/product to brand/product. Some eggshells have more sheen than some Satins. There is a standard way to measure it, but there isn't a standard for the words "eggshell and satin"
If Linus was this picky, he should have specified the exact brand and product of paint to be used. Especially right now as at times it is difficult to get paint due to current global supply.
@UCcbOik9Z3MhCh_8NN3bzgRg Flatgang 😎
Scuffs? Easy touchup. My interior is dead flat white. Love it.
It's cheaper and when you move out they can charge you for a new paint job because the old one will be "dirty".
@@captianmorgan7627 oh yeah, that's exactly what they did. We even had a family friend who offered to redo the paint for free but they turned that down and took the security deposit instead
This is actually not a rant. It is a very detailed and educational video for paint. WE. WANT. MORE. PAINT TIPS! LPT! LPT!
Man, the part where he described seeing the satin paint, explicitly telling them “you’re not gonna use that on the walls” and then having them do exactly that hits way too close to home. I swear there’s nothing worse than being part of a project where you see someone poised to do exactly the wrong thing, tell them *specifically* what *not* to do and then they do it anyway.
Working in software development I call this a Tuesday.
worst thing is being the guy who does the wrong thing because the boss disagreed with you.
Linus really knows his paint! I worked as finishing contractor for years, and I don't think half our painters had this level of knowledge....
@@agawtdangedbear Because it's cheaper to pay people who don't have the knowledge required to do a good job. It's quicker to do it the easy way. Most people won't notice, or won't know enough to care if they do notice. It's why there's so many dodgy project home builders in every single developed country. If you pay idiots to do a good job they'll be there forever; if you pay idiots to slap it together and tell the client it's good enough there's a profit margin for you.
I'm not angry about it, just impressed with Linus's knowledge (and I understand why he is upset). That being said, there have always been contractors, trades, and builders with differing levels of knowledge and skill, this isn't anything new.
@@PhantomPhoton Linus was a painter for awhile, I believe it was College Pro Painters
Yes, I am aware. He noted that he was a painter previously in the clip itself, and also it's pretty well known that he worked for College Pro Painters (not the most reputable contractor, you get whoever they send you)....
@@PhantomPhoton Perhaps just his character doesn't half-ass anything. Presumably the same character traits that helped him build a successful media company.
I could go on the same way about window film 😂 I appreciate this so much
Totally wasnt expecting to see you drop a comment here. Love your work!
I only use high quality 35mm film.
I watch your channel way more than I should 🤣🤣🤣 I've never tinted in my life lol
Stupid workers make linus angry i feel sad :(
Oh dude totally
11:28 “They are billing by the job, not by the hour” and it’s actually a reason why they did that. They thought you wouldn’t notice or wouldn’t want to fight and they’d get money for less work.
It's absolutely not less work to go in and fix the imperfections after like he said, these guys just have single digit IQs
He's right about 'by the job' and 'by the hour' not being the same, but 'by the hour' at least ensures you're paying for what you receive. When you pay 'by the job', a worker is incentivised to complete that job to the bare minimum of time investment required & then immediately go to the next job. More jobs in a week means more pay. Why spend more time than it "necessary" to earn that cash?
@@graog123 but they aren't doing the bare minimum, bare minimum would be fixing the imperfections before painting, not after. That's just moronic for a by the job job.
To be fair, by the job means they don't get the money when they have to fix mistakes either
@@kurtlamprecht93 Not only is this some strange elitist bullshit thinking, Linus already mentioned in this video he used to be a painter for a living. So guess you're insulting the thinking power of the man with the content empire you just watched.
I know his dad was a painter, and it was another avenue of jobs he was thinking of pursuing before LTT, but wow I was still surprised, this is a HUGE Linus Paint Tips episode. Would love more.
It made me realize why my office paint falls off if you look at it wrong lol (got that 2 in 1 stuff off the bargin shelf at Ace). Still not gonna fix it though, this office is on the end of a slowly collapsing barn 🤣
@@xblackdog There's definitely something to be said for not caring about how something looks or feels for the sake of getting things done.
@@xblackdog Some of the 2 n 1 product is pretty decent, but it's significantly more expensive, and not better than a true staged.
That could be a good April fools joke.
Change the channel name to LPT and flood it with a tonne of paint videos, unboxings etc.
@@MCXL1140 those 2-in-1 products are fine if the wall has already been painted and doesn't need to be fixed before being repainted....but if you're painting on new drywall or walls that have been repaired, always go with separate primer and paint. If you use a white primer, any holes in the wall will get highlighted by the primer and you can fix it before painting.
Linus reminds me of my old history teacher, whenever we didn't want to do any work in class we'd ask him about Ancient Greece. He'd go for a good 45 minutes on some random thing or another, you'd learn heaps, have fun doing it all while not having to do any work
I had some similar history teachers. The best one (meaning the one where we learned the least) was an older guy who at the start of class would ask people about current events in the news. If we could manage to continue the discussion long enough, we would go through an hour long class without talking about anything relating to the class.
We had a science teacher that would spend the whole hour talking about Disney Land if you brought it up. She and her family would go every year.
my hs chemistry teacher was the same, but about his life stuff. like he'd tell us about his kids, or the time his calf muscle turned around playing football, or sumn like that, it was great. he was a rather intimidating speaker, but, he was very dedicated, and I admired him.
This isn't a homeowner rant.
This is a craftsman rant.
Mad props to the camera runners for keeping this entire thing so wonderfully in shot. LTT/LMG hires only the best 💯
11:23 that zoom was perfect!
was done as well as any scripted "The Office" zoom in
truly. I'm hoping to have developed skills this good someday as a videographer.
Omg, I didn't even realize before, but yeah, its great.
For the record David was the camera man for this
FINALLY someone else that is emotionally devastated by inefficiency. when they do things so wrong, just so... beyond stupid. entirely out of the range of rational comprehension, you could only assume that it was deliberate, because at the end of the day, this level of sheer incompetence could not have been an accident, and that is what frustrates me the most, personally.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence - google
@@andersmm12 that's a Jordan Peterson quote lol
@@dynamicpaintball nice, i just listed Google as the source since that was where i found it. And when you Google it you will see that it was used long before jp brought it up 😁
And you know what their answer would probably be like? "BuT wE'vE aLwAyS dOnE iT liKe ThIs..." That's the worst part in such situations. Thinking about it one minute would save them hours. But they are either too dumb or, what I suspect is actually the case, too lazy to just think about it one effing minute... So frustrating...
It's not just inefficiency, it's just how insanely often house renovators will get OBVIOUS THINGS wrong. Like, if the document says that the top and sink goes at 90cm, why would you ever put it at 80cm???
Damn I learned more about paint in this than the entire rest of my life, requesting an LTT on paint.
He just taught me more about paint than Walmart has in the 8 months i've worked in paint. I learn from my customers more-so than anybody else, and that's just sad.
LinusPaintTips. LPT!
I work in residential cabinetry and I can attest that the worst in people comes out when things don’t go flawlessly with their personal homes.
Linus is 100% justified in this. If a client was explicit to me over and over and the wrong product shows up, I am at fault.
I blame company management, some people love to leave out specific costumer instructions the the laborers because they couldn't be arsed to re-explain it. Then when shit hits the fan they're super quick to blame the laborers.
I love seeing people talk about things they are really passionate about.
same !
I need more people like you in my life 😂
actually as a painter of many years, that putty example you gave is the best and fastest way I've learned to do it through experimentation (hundreds if not thousands of houses at this point). The rationale they gave you on that one is spot on, if incomplete. Unless they already had two coats of paint on in which case who knows. But the process goes something like this: Prime > patch any big holes > sand > first coat of paint > patch (if the walls are white, you can either dye the patching compound, or put tape near them for visibility) > sand > spot prime the patches > second coat.
This is very normal, and results in faaaaar fewer touch ups at the end of the job because of how difficult these patches are to see after just a coat of flat primer. Doing it any other way always always always results in missing some patches, and having to try feathering out the repairs into the finish coat, which is likely to flash off and you'll wind up doing a third coat anyways. Doing it this way saves an entire round of patching, and you'll have a nicer finish. Simply best and fastest. Also you absolutely can prime standard spackling with paint, so there won't be any coverage issues.
that said the rest of what you described is pretty inexcusable 😅 I just don't want any prospective DIYers taking this as gospel, most information was correct
As a Tech who worked as a painter for years growing up.... I can't express how much I love this video. It is by far my fav LTT video ever... I can't even think of a close 2nd.
Every painter I know who changed profession went tech, including me. Weird
Lol me too
I'm friends with an ex-painter who became a tech too. Weirdly common progression.
truck video.
This stuff always makes me infuriated. If I pay you for a service, and I'm clear that I don't want compromise on that service, GIVE ME WHAT TF I ASKED FOR. Don't send me docs that say actually what I did was fine, nah. Y'all can actually get TF out of my house. Linus was 100% right to be fuming on this one...
It's like asking "Oh I want navy blue paint on my walls", and then they paint baby blue on it and are like "well it's on the blue spectrum".
Like wtf...
If its something like that; sure, but from my experience people rarely know what theyre talking about.
A bit of a story… i work on garage doors; new construction, tear out, commercial, residential, rolling steel, screen doors, pedestrian doors, gates, you name it…
Well we had a commercial job a few years back. The distance from the ceiling to the opening was 16 ft. And they had a 14ft door, 6 of them actually. There’s this thing called vertical lift which essentially just moves the door straight up, it doesnt come back, really, at all, there’s also hi-lift which raises where the door is at when its back to allow more headroom and you can get that pretty much any height until it may as well be vertical, and then there standard lift which is what’s on nearly home and is the standard way; brings it right back right above the opening.
Well this guy was looking at the price of vertical lift vs hi-lift vs standard and vertical was like $800 more per door and Hi-Lift was like $400 compared to standard, and since these were something like $15,000 per door its not adding much. But that was way too much for them apparently so they went with standard….
You may be thinking “well that makes sense, hes saving like $5k”…. Well, the track and operators need to hang off the ceiling and they need to be roughly in line with the top of the opening with standard lift… so each piece of track (2 per door) and each operator needed 16ft of hangs x3 for the track (to dissuade horizontal movement either side and lateral backwards) and x2 for the operator and its all done in this thick ass angle iron which costs about $5 a foot, thats roughly 800 ft for the building so thats about $4k just for angle iron. And gtaking into account that rather than needing 2 guys to be out there for about 5 hours per door; you needed 4 guys out there spending 8 hours per door to hang it all… at about $100 an hour, rather than spending the original $6k in labor, he ended up spending about $20k… and there were some other things thats went wrong like the people that installed the installation said the operators were too close to the wall so they just unhooked and dropped them all (even though they were a minimum of 16ft from every wall) so we had to go back out but thats neither here nor there.
And on top of ALL of that; the doors run like absolute dog shit since theyre 20ft away from where theyre anchored so they move around a lot and there’s not really a good way to stop that that wouldn’t be ludicrously expensive…. Plus they dont have any vertical room inside which they need since this is a warehouse which houses heavy machinery (they’ve already taken out 4 of them in the past 3-4 years).
All of this was explained to the owner of the company yet he was hung up on the extra $800 for vertical lift so we ended up charging him an extra $4200 per door for a far inferior result.
There’s also been a few people who swear up and down that they know what theyre talking about and want a specific thing that just wont work and you pretty much have to say “this is what youre getting and you’ll like it” and sure enough they always have
@@Fetidaf lol just do what they tell you to do, even if you know better. Like, you can advise them otherwise but don't go any further lol, it ain't your house/building, so why bother?
@@Ken_neThT because it looks bad on us when it doesn’t work very well and costs three times as much as it should
@@Fetidaf your story doesn’t make sense. If they were hung up on the cost per door being $800 more and in the end you charged $4200 more per door, sounds like you didn’t do your job right. If cost truly was the deciding factor for that customer, then I don’t know why you as a professional wouldn’t have explained that it would actually cost over 5x as much to get the standard doors and in the end as you say charging the customer over an extra $20k. Something isn’t right with your story man.
As a contractor you weren’t being a bad customer. Customers that save me from a stupid mistake are my favorite!
"You used the wrong paint."
"It's okay that we used the wrong paint. You want the wrong paint. See?"
I work in hotel reservations. I cannot _imagine_ someone calling in because they wanted a single king bed and got two queens and saying, "Yeah, but two queens is fine. It's the same size room as a single king. I'm not going to fix it."
Yeah, there's a lot more work in fixing a paint job than switching a reservation, but _my goodness_ you screwed up _royally_ so now you get to invest a royal amount of time and money into fixing your screw up.
Have lived this, booked a single king, was offered a single double, refused until they'd given me what I booked. It had a damaged lock, which I pointed out to them, and they kept my damage deposit because the lock was broken, the lock which I had pointed out to them. I disputed, they contested, I still lost.
Loved rolling up late at night on a long road trip and having our "2 queen" reservation turn into a "twin and a pull-out"
@@hovant6666 That's crazy. The hotel I work at, if someone disputes, they almost always get their way. Even if they're clearly in the wrong. And we also get stuff fixed ASAP or, if not, put it in the notes and add resort credit.
TBF, we are one of the top two hotel/resorts in the city (I think we're the best, but that's me).
Although the dispute thing kind of sucks for me at times because I make commission on upsells. A guy asked for a $600 upgrade for two nights. We had the room, and the front desk agent completely took off one of the nights from the reservation because he was cute or something (yeah, she doesn't work there anymore). Then he disputed the $600 upgrade and, in spite of him being recorded asking for it and agreeing to the price, they took it off. All told, I lost out on $120 from the front desk agent and the dispute.
@@Matkatamiba For us, that mostly happens when people book third party. Expedia (for example) tells people that they're booking a specific room type, but they really book at "whatever is available" (the term changes based on the hotel). When I worked at the front desk, there was a woman who booked with Expedia for 2 queens because it was her, her husband, and two kids. Expedia told us... none of this. And she ended up with a single king and a rollaway bed for the kids.
I should clarify the original post is if _we_ book it. If it's booked through a third party, there is absolutely nothing we can do if it's a sold out night and they showed up late enough that we already assigned all the people that specifically booked for two queens.
And it gets even worse when it's a bad card that doesn't go through, so the reservation gets cancelled _months_ in advance and they _still send them e-mails reminding them to come in._ That happened once. Again, when I was working at the front desk.
Basically, always book directly unless you're doing it through some sort of special deal (like a travel credit card).
@@hovant6666 I have 50 gmail accounts for this reason. To send business’ Google rating to 0. Screw me over, I screw you 🤷🏽♂️
I came here for a paint rant.
I got a paint rant.
I like it when the product meets the expectations.
So does Linus. I COMPLETELY understand his pain.
I just LOVE how visibly mad Linus is at the start of this video, INSTANTLY after the question. You can already see how bad this is going to be.
I fully understand Linus, I'm tired of the construction industry, I worked in it for years, when you're told to do something one way, nobody cares about opinion, this is what you're getting paid to do, this is how you're going to do it... period
I wouldn't take the job if they tell me exactly how to do it. I understand what Linus is saying about choosing the sheen of product, that is absolutely his decision. But when I have owners tell me exactly how to do something 99% of the time it turns out much worse than if I would have done it my way. But maybe thats just the 16 years of experience talking.
Most construction companies these days are ran and supervised by people who are under educated and just generally piss poor at their job. Its largely due to companies not being interested in training people in middle and upper management they just love to take people who are good on the tools and with zero training or over sight expect them to be great at leading a crew and making the company money
@@Syndrometest Or, you know.
You could ask.
If they have a valid reason for asking for something to be done a specific way, that's entirely reasonable.
@@Syndrometest but it’s exactly the same as in the design industry like graphic design, you don’t make what you think is good, you make what your clients asks of you even if it’s worse then what you could’ve done.
@@Syndrometest This isn’t construction per se though, it’s paint.
This actually taught me so much
1. Eggshell
2. I hate the look of popcorn ceilings oml
3. What kind of paint should you use for bathroom walls??
bathroom walls (and most kitchen, laundry room, basement, or garage) should be shinier than eggshell & be rated for damp areas (usually a kind of ani-microbial)
This helps in protection (water or other splatter) and also higher humidity
bathroom walls should have "wonder board" style drywall & a water-resistant or even oil primer (that accepts water-based top coat)
Exactly like he said, semi-gloss shows imperfections so often its a sheen between that & eggshell for a bathroom compromise, especially half baths or kitchens with backsplash that might do well with less sheen
Bathroom walls should just be tiled tbh
What's wrong with popcorn ceilings? I never understood why people hated them.
@@YTubechangeAccount Place I rented used matt in the kitchen and bathroom splashbacks. You can guess how well that went.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 My childhood bedroom had 45 degree angled popcorn ceilings, and as a tall teenager, I was constantly brushing up against it and making it flake off. I also hate the way it looks. I've learned to get used to the look in the various places I've rented in the years but still hate them.
As someone who does paint work and has helped build a house: YES. EXACTLY. EGGSHELL IS THE CORRECT CHOICE.
Linus is also correct about satin being easier. But that is zero excuse to not use the product your client wanted and is requiring. The rant about inefficiency gives me life as well. You ALWAYS patch first and then prime and paint!
The exact problems mentioned about exterior paint are why I have a brick house.
The previous owners of my dads house painted onto the bricks and it doesn’t look that great lmao
@@kaeden7570mortar, just cover the whole exterior wall on a thick layer of mortar and it will look flat or with any texture you want, before painting.
I only worked as a painter for a year in university, and even I know this kind of basic stuff. If I did even one of those bone-headed things, my boss would've fired me on the spot.
See I would've not only fired you, but I'd take the cost for redoing/fixing it out of your paycheck as well.
This decision probably came from the higher-ups then, and it makes it so much more infuriating cause if they're higher-up they know EXACTLY WHAT THEYRE DOING
Firing someone after giving them expensive education doesn't seem right.
@@BigCleverName There probably isnt "hire ups" but a single guy who hires laborers who was hired by the general contractor. This was probably miscommunication between sherwin williams and the new-hire who went in to pickup the wrong paint cause they were out (they have had massive supply issues in the last 8 months)
Nahh.. those guys defend themselves well and they are always right for themselves. This is standard behavior of un-educated-lazy brain. "I know the best and I am always right." My country is full of them..
I loved this during the stream. for a hot minute I was like "Man Linus is really heated about this."
Then I remembered he's was a painter, so on top of the stress of home renovation you have someone who knows how the job is done.
Also *writes down for future reference*
It's like some adjunct to Knoll’s Law of Media Accuracy - he was able to spot all the screw-ups in the painting because he knows enough about it to see the flaws, but he trusts that the other contractors have done their jobs right, when they could well be at least as bad, but he hasn't worked in those fields to know how to spot the problems.
He wasn't just a painter, he owned a painting business.
I now know what profession linus would've went with if the YT wasn't a thing. You can see his passion pouring out of him about the paint.
Linus was a professional painter by trade for years in college/after dropping out, back before LTT was a thing. He painted houses for a living, but eventually quit when he couldn’t handle the immense depression it gave him to feel like he had no direction in life. He talks about it often on WAN show.
@@lurrielee2755 i was wondering why Linus just didn't do it himself, interesting to know now why he dropped it
I get the sense that whatever profession Linus happened to work in, he would have this level of knowledge, understanding, and passion for. As someone in a completely different industry, that is an immediately recognizable and highly desirable trait set.
This rant was a banger, and very justified. I worked in a print shop for many years and any time I order something printed I get so frustrated with the small details no one pays attention to.
Staples: "Would you like us to trim it for you?"
Me: "NOOOOOOOOO, thank you."
I felt this rant. I'm right there with you, it's got my blood pressure up. I've got a couple of these stories myself.
Boggles the mind. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE SPEC DOCUMENT!
HOW!?!?
Good times.
The actual spec document:
- Must be paint.
Something as simple as the store waiting for product that will arrive the next day can lead to things like this happening. The contractor doesn't give AF, they'll take whatever product is available, and not mention it to the customer.
At Sherwin, it doesn't help the customer that the Contractor Paint and the Customer Paint, are labeled, priced, marketed, and formulated differently while also conflated and compared to each other constantly.
How? They've done it before, saved a few bucks and the owner didn't notice, didn't care, or didn't know to care, and there were no repercussions.
A lot of installation "experts" do hack jobs just to get the job done quick. I've had that problem with professional air conditioner installation guys who didn't even follow anything in the manufacturer's installation guide. Ended up with great bloody holes in the wall that pests can waltz on through and one unit didn't even work properly until it was re-positioned under warranty (the temperature sensor was completely blocked against the wall). Then you confront them about the shitty job and get the typical "that's how it's always done". You pay good money and try to go with the most reputable company in hope of getting a solid result, only to get burned when they cut every possible corner to save labor costs. Assholes.
As someone who use to work a paint department for years and paints as a hobby it's so refreshing to find someone who understands my pain at seeing bad paint jobs
EVERY SINGLE CONTRACTOR I'VE EVER HAD.
Though most actually did a poor job in addition to making mistakes like this. Getting PTSD reaction from listening to this and it is why I do most everything myself now, but sadly can't (and won't) for my small condo/townhouse HOA.
Very smart and good that you had it in the document so you have legal backing in getting them to redo. This is the #1 thing I would tell everyone is to ensure that every single thing is extremely clearly specified in the contract. Protects you both.
Agreed that satin and flat makes it so much easier to not notice texture variations (if you have orange peel or other texture) and roller lines than eggshell or gloss. It is why you use it on the ceiling.
Also fully agree that patching before paint is easier and you can see the imperfections by shining a light down the wall. Doesn't make it meaningfully easier to see after painting.
I feel so lucky I got referred to a great contractor. But even he subcontracted to guys that didn't do a spectacular job and he personally fixed it & didn't charge me a penny of labor for mistakes. I can't imagine just hiring some random general contractor, I'd go crazy.
@@Mongoose3769 Lucky indeed. Sadly the subcontracting is often the problem and often the problem they create can't be fully fixed, only mitigated. The contractor making it right without giving you grief is really the sign you found a good one.
I worked as a painter for a year, this story triggers me. Sounds like when my work saved money on having inexperienced people who didnt know shit do the work.
Do you have PTSD from when you were a painter?
My step dad is constantly having to battle this problem. He NEVER cuts costs, yet he can never find workers that suit his standards. He always begs me to come work with him, because I'm one of the few people who actually cares about attention to detail (based on what he said), but God damn do I find painting houses painfully mind numbing.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz (Bit late, apologies for that)...
Hmmm 🤔🤔 Just a suggestions I'm gonna throw out there... Have you considered maybe helping your father find people that meet his standard given he considers you his current "gold standard" for a worker? If anyone would be able to tell if another can work with a similar, same, or better level of detail and care (about doing their job correctly) as you may seem to (apologies, I don't know you personally, no offense meant) while you were working with him, it would be you.
I assume this because I'm also a person that takes serious pride in any work I do (whatever it is) and I do my best to cover every detail and do so correctly (I often tell people that half-ass things "If you're going to do it at all, then you might as well do it correctly the first time" becuase I personally hate incompetence, shortcuts, lazy work, etc as well) so I tend to notice those that lazily work with 0 care vs those that actually care and take the time to do things correctly the first time around.
If you do this, you may win in two ways... 1) You dad stops asking you so much to come back, and 2) you help your father keep business going well.... while also getting him to stop pestering you to come work for him 😂😂
My job just painted our walls. Our CEO is disappointed in the color and they also went through the tape process after painting, so it’s been a month total as they’ve puttied, waited for that to set, and finally came back to repaint then putty anything else they’ve missed. It’s such a disorganized process.
I started this video as “ha, Linus is being a c%!t to this house renovators” and I finished up with “ohhhh Linus actually knows a LOT about paint”.
Genuinely learnt a lot on this. Linus paint tips new channel? I’d watch…
somewhere in a dusty corner of the LMG office, James pulls out a notebook titled "april fools video ideas" quickly scribbles "Linus Paint Tips" on one of its pages and tosses it back on the shelf.
even if he was completely wrong in his reasoning why, if it's specifically in the contract between him and the gc like he said it is, he'd still be right. If I was Linus I would back charge the painters.
Now you know why Dennis and Andy got their walls painted by him lol
I mean it's his house and his money, if he paid them to paint his house with rattle cans and watercolours then that's what they should deliver lol.
Before NCIX, Linus was in the house painting business
100% Eggshell!
I went out of my way to log in and like this video. More Linus rants please! It's such a relief knowing that there's at least someone else out there so passionate about key details and not accepting a deviation.
Why is it when someone is adamant and specific about a certain selection, someone else will let their imbecilic desires shine through.
I mean, literally, he could sue their company, possibly to bankrupcy if he wanted to. Sue for not doing the job he asked them to so he can get the money for the job back, and add to that the legal fees.
They'd wouldn't be able to afford all that.
Like, seriously, if someone asks for something specific, just do it! People have no respect for themselves or their profession and just want to do everything lazily.
This storytelling and explanation ability just proves to me what a god tier content creator he is. before this video i could not care less about paint, by the end I'm literally thinking about how to repaint some walls in my house. it's so cool to witness S tier content creators "create" on the spot
For the love of god, Linus, please. Do more content like this. It's so raw, unedited and true to form. Just pure, unabridged ranting about idiocy in this case.
That doesn't mean all of this content has to be "ANGERY LINUS," just the kind of unscripted content that feels WAY more personal than all of the more common clips. even if they're just like. 10 minutes like this.
I had no idea I wanted this until I saw this.
LTT videos shot in the house and channel super fun videos have a lot of this
Huge fan of this video I'm a Painter.
Usually the best way to catch as many of the small defects in a walls before painting including high and low patches from previous painters as well as holes or drywall mud bubbles is to go over the walls with a light on a 45 to 75 deg angle and looking down the wall you will be able to see imperfections easier and patch them before doing your first coat.
annnnnnndd!!! it only takes a few minutes out of your time! if i could 1000's times upvote to this one simple task!
Yeah, immediately thought of that even though I'm not a painter. That's how I look for lost screws on the floor. = )
There are a lot of painting contractors who just hire unskilled labourers for painting jobs with minimal onsite training when in fact as Linus has explained really need a professional. Worth to do your research and ask questions.
This is really interesting cause I paint a lot, but I have always simply let the owner choose what paint they want on their wall. After this video I want to research about paint so I can recommend better products to my customers. I mean I am not a painter, I do everything, so I don’t expect to be an expert at everything I do, but all the customers I have done work for have been very satisfied with the quality of work, so I certainly try to be as knowledgeable as possible to provide good quality work.
Every company claims they have the best product it really comes down to your own experience with them and knowledge of application to create the best finish product.
Ya there are things to watch out for & it gets complicated, like figuring out there is a sub-layer of oil paint on cabinets and using a transitional primer to be able to paint a hard curing water based paint on it, or sanding it down which is a pain
And getting the right product for basements that leak or exterior masonry that breaths effervescence
or which paints are rated for walk-ability for a porch or semitransparent deck stain
like, nobody at sherwin williams who got hired 3 weeks ago knows any of that stuff, better yet homedepot or Ace or even some contractors
You do everything? Can I hold you to that?
Getting better at what you do for a living is always a good thing. Lets you charge more, and makes sure you are less likely to come back for redos.
I love how he was supposed to be building a computer. He gave tech tips and paint tips. A two for one special. I love it!
I've learned more about paint than I've ever known, and surprised at how much Linus knows. But then he's an ex-painter, who sounds like he was pretty good at it.
My own painting horror story: When we moved into our home, we got a painter to do the repaint. The painter was one that the handyman (who our real estate agent used on her houses) had worked with, and recommended. And, the paint job looked great.
Until the paint started peeling off the trim and doors. Turns out, he used the paint we had wanted, in the color we liked. A latex paint. And the existing paint? Oil based. Know what happens when you put latex over oil? It doesn't stick, and peels if you look at it wrong. Oh, and the best part? The painter becomes "unavailable," then ghosts me. So does the handyman. But, the walls still look good.
This is the equivalent of being a mechanic, knowing you blew your engine, and telling the shop "I blew my engine -- please just put a new donor in and let me make sure it has the right amount of mileage." And then the shop agrees to your face, then the mechanic is skeptical, and then they rebuild your engine instead of putting in a donor.
And then the rebuilt engine fails and ends up costing everyone more time and money than just using the thing that the customer WHO IS EDUCATED ON THE SUBJECT ** asked for. :)
Yup, and that's why i do almost everything myself. I can't stand people who can't follow instruction, even when they are paid to do it. And they get mad after when you explain them why they just had to follow the damn instructions as asked in the begining
@@toto29620 Ok SOMETIMES there are missunderstandings and its not always that easy to take instructions when the instructions aren't clear, BUT that's not always a valid excuse.
(When your already getting paid from an experienced customer you want to get it done properly)
Just saying that some of your experiences may not be all their fault, not saying it's your fault (I know literally nothing about any of it) but communicating properly is a pretty big deal if you want it done right
TLDR
Make sure you are clear with what you want and if they do it wrong then you can't be blamed
Even if they're not educated on the subject, you should either:
1. drop the job
2. educate them
3. just go with what they want even if it's not optimal
I think Linus should open a channel called Linus Home Tips, or Linus Paint Tips. I think i learned more about paint with this clip than when i was remodeling my house and had to have it painted.
As someone who works at home depot in the paint department I found this video very nice and so many of the things that you said about the different products and the steps of dueing things is what I always tell people when doing things. However there have been so many times that I have been working and I got like I did this and im like why, you will have to do this again to make sure it is right. Then when it comes to the paint and primer in one, I have never been told that I need to sell the "paint and primer 1 coat" more I just recommend and sell what I think will work best and 90% of the time when it comes to people that want to do it right I always recommend a dedicated primer and then a paint to go along with it because, even though I haven't painted before its what I have heard is the best from so many people after working there for many years. Then when you talked about putting stain over paint I was like noooo whyyyy because and how you explained it is exactly what I tell people but nobody ever listens to me because I am just a person that mixes paint at home depot. Thanks for this clip even though I am a year late!
I have never seen Linus this unhinged in the 13 or so years I've been watching him, this is exciting!
There was the time when he bought/unpacked the RED cameras
@@Andarion00 and the Nvidia scandal with HWUnboxed
unhinged linus is the most entertaining.
and also the teamviewer scandal was pretty fun
*Linus:* Are you wearing nail polish?
*Jake:* Yea
*Linus:* Ok
Coninues rant
I laughed at how he changed from the rant to such a calm question then goes right back in the rant.
@@kidoren1395 haha yea!
For Jake's sake I hope he applied the correct product.
@@kidoren1395 as a fellow ADHD person I totally understand that sudden urge to ask this question
L "are you wearing nail polish?"
J "yea"
L "did you apply the right kind of top and base coat?"
J "no"
>:(
Ok, I definitely need to save this for when I need to paint walls - there’s so much useful and important information in this it’s crazy! Thanks Linus - sorry we have to learn from your bad luck rather than good luck!
I'm almost certain this was uploaded specifically to tell this particular painting business that absolutely none of their usual excuses they give to other clients will EVER work on him 😂
Yeah, except every pro painting outfit on the planet will laugh this guy into oblivion for thinking eggshell is more washable than satin. The opposite is true.
@@procarpenter1788 Listen again, closer (and yes; he's bouncing around among different subjects) - he was comparing eggshell to flat when discussing "wash-ability", and why it's a good balance between flat and satin or gloss... but then went on to comparing eggshell to satin in terms of what he *wanted*, specifically contracted for, and repeatedly verbalized - and the contractors were trying to tell him that eggshell and satin were "the same thing".
@@MrJest2 I think he was confusing matte for satin TBH. His comparison about washability and then his later comments about the painters using it to hide imperfections in both the paint job and the drywall only make sense for a matte (something more dull (flat) then eggshell.
@@procarpenter1788 Well, you clearly aren't good for your clients if you don't bother listening. He wasn't comparing with gloss at all.
Also, while he did get satin and matte mixed up; either the painters used satin when he asked for eggshell, or the painters used matte when he asked for eggshell. They didn't do as he asked and paid for.
@@MrJest2 I watched again, and he definitely makes several references to his satin walls now being easily damaged and not as durable as what he wanted (eggshell).
At 3:25 he even says "while it might look great to do a satin finish or a flat finish, the second you..."
Videos like these highlight how amazing of a storyteller Linus is, he can be as engaging when improvising and live as he is in a scripted and edited video
Actually I think his rants are better because he is really into it.
Linus is a great presenter for sure
As a half decade long paint industry employee. I have a few comments related to this rant.
1. Paint + Primer combos are a complete marketing gimmick. They absolutely cannot replace the job of a dedicated primer. The only difference they have over standard paint is they take more pigment, thus decreasing the chance of bleed when going over bolder colors.
2. Sherwin Williams does not offer (to my knowledge) any product lines in both egg shell and satin in the same category. Some lines like ProMar and Cashmere offer egg shell, while lines like Super Paint, Duration, and Emerald offer satin. These sheen names are used interchangeably and carry the same gloss levels.
3. Higher gloss finishes DO NOT hide imperfections better than lower gloss. Glossy finishes are harder, thus more durable, however when damaged, very noticeable. Flatter finishes are softer, less durable, however hide damage much better. Think of trying to find a paperclip in a bundle of steel wool vs laying on a piece of sheet metal.
4. Although old ways suggest that finish directly correlates with durability, new technologies and formulas have developed products that offer high durability regardless of finish, allowing the customer to worry about one less aspect of their decision making process and focus purely on their cosmetic preferences.
Source, 3 years Benjamin Moore paint employee + 2 years Sherwin Williams paint employee.
I also want to add this,
When having your whole home repainted, it is advisable to visit the paint store the material will be coming from. Speak with the experts there about what you expect out of your project. They will be happy to help you develop a spec for your project. A visit like that could have been the factor that would have avoided all the fuss you went through.
This is up there with Casey Kasem going off on U2 and Bill O’Reilly’s ”we’ll do it live” rant in terms of unexpected rants.
I now want MKBHD to rant for 20 minutes about Ultimate Frisbee.
probably unlikely
This is why I do my own house and car maintenance. Having worked construction before and gotten burned at mechanics, I know learning from TH-cam/forums and doing it myself yields higher quality results.
Also, for some reason, everytime I got a contractor for my home renovation it's either one of those three : Guy with alzeimer who forgets everything, guy who's never on site and is super late or guy who does a shit job... They always have at least one of those problems.
While I think that is smart for many people to learn to do things themself, I hope you realize why that is not possible for linus, or some other people. As an ex painter I’m sure he would have easily painted his house by himself, but he would lose so much money doing that as opposed to running his business it simply isn’t worth it. My dad runs a substantially smaller business, and he can’t even do things himself anymore cause he’ll lose money. He doesn’t even have employees, that’s how small his business is, and it’s still more financially viable to hire someone and hope they do a good job rather than make sure it’s done well by doing it yourself.
@@andrewevenson2657 absolutely. That guy has way too much on his plate to do stuff like that unless it makes good content. I was more just commiserating with Linus over knowing how to do something but having to hire someone anyway just to watch the job done poorly/incorrectly.
@@andrewevenson2657 Linus made more money ranting about it on top of the effective time savings from hiring it out.
I’ve had mechanics indirectly total cars. I now at the very least make sure I know my mechanic well and that I can trust them.
I feel like Linus and I just became friends. Linus? Why don't we hang out? Oh - because we live hundreds (thousands?) of miles apart. I manage a large painting company, am a tech nerd, and a workaholic, who likes to learn new things. Pretty sure our kids are about the same ages and we're about the same age and height (you're not old or short, btw - you look great man). I'm going to echo Linus' rant. Eggshell, velvet/satin, flat, are *not the same thing* - They're SO DIFFERENT! The chemical content is different. I will say that - even in the last year - paint has come a long way. There are scrubbable velvet finishes (that I like much better than eggshell for common spaces *don't use it for bathrooms*). The only thing that I hate about velvet is that you can't really touch it up. You roll that on and in a year, you're rolling walls corner to corner again for a coin-size touch up. This was SUCH A GOOD RANT! Some painters are SO BAD. Also I love how passionate you are about it - clipping audio mad. Such a good rant. SUUUCH a good rant. Can I say it again? Such a good rant. If you're going to do something, do it right.
Can I just highlight something? "Are you wearing nail polish?" "Yup" "Oh cool, OK". As a guy who has worn nail polish for over 20 years, the decision to actually wear it to work was NERVE WRACKING. Linus's response here is perfect. Perfect. It gives me hope for future dudes like me.
It's a lot of fun! More guys should comfortable doing this.
Good man, I've never understood why it was a big deal to anyone. I've gotten a mani pedi once in my life when i got out of the marine corps. Did that with a bro I'd known since bootcamp and his wife. They asked us if we wanted nail polish and said fuck it. We had blue/ aqua colored nails for the last week and a half we were in before we got out. It was just fine.
I loved that part of the video so much. Such a perfect response I'd almost say it was scripted if I didn't know any better.
@@melissablick779 All 90 of our staff at scout camp one year painted our nails. (67 guys, 23 girls)
Once you have learned a specific skill, you tend to expect quality service from others you deal with. But alas! the same can't be expected from so called professionals who are used to exploiting the ignorance of their clients to look good in their job!
I did paint and decorating in college for 3 years and am a fully qualified painter, this infuriates me so much how can someone mess up this bad
Don't forget: Linus had his own painting business.
he had his own business before even LMG? This guy has been a businessman since the beginning lol
I don't know if he had his own paint business but he definitely worked for one if I remember right
Linus paint tips?
Yes he had his own painting company
Didn't know that. He's very knowledgeable. I am a pro painter. In the UK so the terms are a bit different but yeah the principles he's talking about are quite correct.
As a consumer I definitely feel Linus' diligence in pursuing his chosen product is justified and the painters should have responded to his concerns before applying anything -- I was also a paint chemist with Sherwin-Williams and later CIL who worked on the Canadian Tire account when they switched providers in the early 2000s back in my early 20s. SATIN/EGGSHELL was marketed as a synonym. You had FLAT, SATIN/EGGSHELL, SEMI-GLOSS, and FULL GLOSS. Which word was printed on the can depended on the product, and no product had both a SATIN and an EGGSHELL available. And I don't mean, "that I was aware of". I was literally part of the group that signed off on every formula that went to stores and boiling off all the science crap -- every one of them was rated for those four finishes and what word went on the can for SATIN/EGGSHELL was decided by someone who had nothing to do with the chemistry.
so honest question, does this mean you don't recommend buying paint from Canadian Tire? i mean their copy writers didn't consult with the chemistry.
Yet PPG has Flat, Eggshell, Satin, Semi Gloss, where Satin has a higher gloss than eggshell and is easier to clean. There appears to be a lot of variation between brands, almost like there aren't any standards for what the terms mean.
That is unquestionably one of the best ever (probably the best) rants I've seen on youtube in my full 18 years of watching TH-cam videos!
Linus sounds exactly like a friend of mine who worked as a master body tech for Mercedes Benz Canada for 15 years (he ran body shops at dealers all over the country) before leaving to become a partner in an independent body shop that it turned out had been staffed with idiots who'd spent their working lives at low rent $500 paintjob joints like Macco where "quality control" is more a mere suggestion than a set of standards to adhere too.
There were people employed there who had been working in the industry for longer than him who couldn't set their guns properly too prevent immediate orange peel in the new paintjob.
There was even one guy who thought that "wet sanding" (a specialized technique where you use a wet scotchbrite pad too remove minor imperfections on the surface layer of clearcoat) meant "use a sanding wheel with wet 180 grit sandpaper on the car" which got them sued when the owner saw the $12.000 in damage that was done to his car.
He got out of that place and ran back to Mercedes as fast as he could.
Hooooooooooooly shit.
They used 180? Someone thought that was a good idea? What. the fuck.
@@coolestto
Apparently the idiot in question didn't know what wet sanding was so he soaked a bunch of 180 grit sanding pads that was meant for initial primer sanding in water put 'em on a high rpm grinder/buffer and went to town.
Not only did he destroy the paint, he put so much heat into some of the panels that they warped so badly they had to he replaced.
They were lucky it was a 90's vintage Ford Ranger (because parts are easy to get for them via the aftermarket) and not a new BMW.
In a similar vein, I was doing a woodworking project and wanted explicitly an oil-based tinted primer and an oil-based paint because my project was made with scrap plywood (it was a free little library, FWIW) and I know the absorption/porousness of plywood will not give me a very good result with a latex-based paint/primer, particularly since this is outdoors. I didn't want it to be so that a little nick or something makes all of the paint basically just peel off because it wasn't well bonded with the wood, which would be the case if I used latex on this low-quality plywood. At the hardware store, I said oil primer and paint, waited for them to mix it up patiently, and then they handed me latex. Satin latex. But I asked for eggshell oil. Then they tried to argue with me that it's "universal" and that satin and eggshell are synonyms when their own finish guide at the paint station disagrees.
After much back and forth, they re-made it with oil paint and primer, but their software wouldn't let them tint the primer the exactly right shade. Fine, no big deal. But they were convinced I was wrong (they hadn't asked why I wanted oil paint) and made me buy the paint ahead of them mixing it. This wasn't even premium paint nor was it a large size. Just the size above sample. Quart, I guess. The audacity.
The library has been outside in the elements for something like 4 years now. The plexiglass door has needed repair a few times because I used some really bad off-cuts of plywood glued together to make the frame, so the wood bows slightly in the damp months and pulls out the hinges every 18 months or so, but the paint is perfect. And because I went with eggshell, I spray it with a hose to get bird crap off of it. Satin should be reserved for whatever bad job landlords always do; everyone else should buy eggshell or gloss (for bathrooms/kitchens) and forget other finishes exist. If you're going to go with flat ever on a wall, just buy Kilz primer and leave it unpainted and save yourself the effort to paint it since it's going to look the same (i.e., not good).
i seriously would have just said, this isnt what i asked for, im not paying for something if your too stupid to follow directions, like, give me what i asked for
"everyone else should buy eggshell or gloss (for bathrooms/kitchens)"
Not semi-? I like semi for kitchens, but that's an aesthetic thing on my part more than an informed decision on applicability and long-term durability
This by far is my favourite LMG video. I've learnt so much. The storytelling, passion, and education was brilliant.
I once saw him kill three men in a bar... with an EGGSHELL, with a fucking EGGSHELL.
I absolutely love how professionally Linus outright rants! “Great job f*****g up guys! Well done! You honestly are awesome at painting the wrong s*** on the walls!!”
This rant with experience and details on paint color/chemical/durability/type is astonishing. I didn’t know that Linus has such a background in paint. Loved it. Passion because it is his home but also industry standard was impressive. Well done and deserved a slow golf clap.
Now I legit want a 45 minute video that explains the ins and outs of choosing the correct paint as well as painting techniques. 😌
New channel idea: LRT, Linus Renovation Tips
Eggshell everywhere except bathrooms and kitchens where you want gloss, use a separate paint and primer (and Kilz is a good primer if you have sins to hide), and then do good prep work (like filling the holes and sanding them down _before_ you do anything with a roller). You could use the world's shittiest paint and have a better outcome with excellent prep than if you used the best paint with bad prep. I've been told a good job is like 90% prep and 10% materials and I agree.
As someone who works with contractors there is a 100% chance that the person in charge got lazy and decided Linus was a typical uninformed first time homeowner and thought they could get away with whatever made it's way onto the jobsite and pressured everyone below them to just go with it because they're the kind of shitty boss who meets any kind of "talkback" by flipping the fuck out.
this need to be a whole new channel, about house remodeling and the likes.
"Linus Property Tips"
"Linus Home Makeover"
"This Old House of Linus"
At this point, I am starting to enjoy his home updates and the Intel Extreme Tech upgrades much more than the 100th iteration of "we use a stupid method to watercool this PC". So bring on the "Linus Home Makeover" show...
Linus Property tips joins Rossmann Real Estate
Painters are notoriously difficult, shoddy and flakey.
No offense to the good painters out there. If you are a good one, be proud and know you will be successful.
Linus Paint Tips has to be a thing, this was far more entertaining than I expected
To be fair, it's definitely easier to see imperfections until after you've painted it.
However I only know this because I spent a day patching a wall, painted it, then notice a bunch of small things I'd missed
You dont "accidentally" use the wrong product when you've been told multiple times.
BUT! those were the ones you missed, not every imperfection the wall had. You didn't just paint first, then fixed everything that wasn't temporarily hidden by the paint.
I've painted houses. Those imperfections appear after a paint job only if you've done a TERRIBLE job prepping the surface you'll paint on.
There is no excuse at this day and age with the existence of power tools.
Finding the odd imperfection is fine. Finding 50-80 that they were saying were found, is because they couldn't be arsed to check for them in the first place. Laziness is incredibly common in a lot of jobs lately, and very much makes it come across like an amateurs work. Linus even said they did a brilliant bit of painting, but everything else is screaming sheer laziness, making their approach unprofessional as a whole.
I love that Linus has hyperfocused and learnt everything there is to know about paint. Then just raged and ranted about doing it right. The painters he's using probably don't know as much hahaha.
Hahaha he has stated he has ADHD, I would love to know what other topics aside from tech he has hyperfocused on to the point of being this passionate
@@lenardgarza4955 He painted professionally for a while and owned a painting business. It's not that it's a niche he's interested in, it's that he was a professional painter at some point as well.
@@Slizzo82 Back when LTT was nothing but passion and bills.
This is totally relatable. I learned about paint and long term products differences that make or break a job.
I want to build my home a few years later when I'm established in my career. A mentor I had gave me the best business advice about contract jobs. Get it in writing, and work with a company that holds that document as the Bible for the job. If they say they will have 10 guys there every day and you show up and only see 5, call them on it. Corners will be cut to maximize profit other job sites. In the contract a clause of blame and fault of both parties not fulfilling their part is the most valuable part of the agreement.
Get it in writing and signed or it did not happen and will not happen.
Now I want to see a Linus Paint Tips channel. Honestly, I got a lot of quality info out of this rant.
I had no idea Linus was a painter. I am a painter, a contractor, with 20+ years of work in the trade. I completely understand his rant about the paints, the colors, and the finishes he wants. However, his understanding of the type of paints that are required for specific uses are outdated. As is his rant about sheens. The high quality paints that I use now perform far better than Linus describes, in any sheen. 20 years ago his rant would be more or less spot on. That said, the customer always gets what they want, in my professional opinion.
Also, good luck getting any paint without any primer in it. I agree that you should prime everything before painting, but I mix paint and everything has primer in it now except for the cheapest thinnest stuff we sell... and those people also aren't using primer. Most of our contractors buy 1 tier up from the cheapest crap we sell, and it's going in $300k+ houses.
He was a professional painter about that long ago yes. As you said though the customer gets what they paid for even if it's possibly outdated
@@erix5184 I'm curious what brand of paint you are selling. I use Benjamin-Moore and Sherwin-williams. Thier top teir paints are not labeled as paint and primer in one. The labeling says they are good to cover some things just fine without primer. Like the Spackle spots for pin holes and nail holes, and other minor stuff. But then again, that is almost the same as what the paint and primer stuff says. Paints are different these days, better performing, for most of them. But the cheap stuff you can buy at big box stores suck, in almost every way that I as a painter want a paint to perform.