Grand Design Major RV Frame Failure Exposed
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- Join Dustin and Ashley discuss a inspection of a Grand Design RV with major frame failure that has been "fixed" by the manufacture 3 times!
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How many different ways can it be said??? Grand Design and Lippert are Coconspirators in this disaster, Grand design for making way too heavy a trailer on a flimsy frame, and Lippert for having the audacity to sell that flimsy frame to Grand Design in the first place. Lippert you need to man up & and have the guts to tell these companies building trailers, that they have to have a heavier frame. Lippert when you sell a flimsy frame you're part of the problem!!!
What a shame, what should be a beautiful trailer is totaled due to design issue.
They used to be “Grand” not anymore.
And that’s how much it moves being gently lifted. Imagine what it does in the normal bumps going down the road. I’d guess once the frame has let go, the laminated walls, flooring and body in general has lost a lot of strength and rigidity.
Interesting! Christine. Yes, "this is what they do"!
So what about Grand Design are NOT major issues? By the looks of the title of your "channel" you have it out for GD...
@@doctorkayakso he created that name because there isn’t a group on Facebook where owners can discuss anything about GD that is negative because GDs employees remove the post as they own most of the other groups. I know this hard to know with out the context of the why. He is really trying to help owners with issues. He helped us as an example.
I have 2021 momentum 397th … does the same thing … gd been out 3 times trying to fix…lippert once …. It’s going back to factory hopefully for good … they are unfixable units ….. run from GD garbage …..
Per GDRV's new 5 year warranty if you expose the RV to weather (rain, wind, hot, cold, etc.) the warranty is voided. Also if you pull the RV on a bumpy road the warranty is voided. Not off-roading - just any road that is bumpy or per their wording has a pothole.
i.e. there is NOT a warranty on a GDRV
This is heartbreaking. A class action is a must and Grand Disaster need to be held accountable and the people at the top need to pay up. AND - Why do people say "Go Ahead"???? Take out "go ahead" out of every sentence and it means the same thing.
There are videos of owners finding lag bolts missing in the bedroom that support the frame to the walls
The fresh water tank fell out of my 2022 Forester River Salem Hemisphere 22RBHL. We have had nothing but trouble with our unit since we bought it brand new in 2022. It looked like the frame for the tank was not welded correctly and after a couple of years of use, it finally broke while filling the tank. I was not able to get a response back from the manufacture after leaving four messages, so I was able to complain on their FB page. I had to comment on a post since their page did not allow posts. I did get someone to answer me after that and after waiting a month on parts that were never showing up, the rep I spoke with magically got my parts to the dealership in two days. Now I am at the mercy of the dealership to replace the parts and I have been waiting for three weeks. This all started on May 17th 2024 and I still do not have my camper back as of 07-09-2024. It's on the dealership now. Forester Rivers customer service sucks, but I thank God I got to speak with someone that actually cared. As for the dealership, they are not much better. The RV manufactures and dealerships need to me held accountable for their products and taking care of their customers. They are out of control because there is no customer protection. I even looked into an attorney and they wouldn't take the case. I was told the RV industry is not like the car industry and lemon laws. Buyer beware I guess.
Feel sorry for GD? Are you kidding me, they designed this thing and had Lippert build the frame and it failed, gee what a surprise. Why is BAL not having these issues, or Northwood Manufacturing, because they engineer their frames correctly with good materials and good engineering. This is GD and LCI cheaping out on materials and engineering to boost that profit margin.
He feels sorry for the owners.
I blame GD more than Lippert here, GD is the one that spec'd and engineered the frame. Lippert builds frames for other manufacturers that are not having these issues. DRV, and Riverstone come to mind right off the bat. Both have a very differently engineered frame and frame problems seem rare on both.
There are videos of BAL frames shearing bolts
@@TDub_ADVdo a little research on DRV frames, they have been quiet about their frame failure issues.
@@livingourjourney365 Well no manufacturer is immune from problems. Problems can happen on ANY of them. The differences here is it’s not a systemic issue like it is with Grand Design, it’s rare on a DRV and the second is they are not trying to bury the problem like GD is. They are standing behind 100% unlike GD. It’s still the beefiest frame on anything short of a Spacecraft.
It’s almost like this all by plan, or design. Starting in 2020, customer service, and quality is a non- concern, it doesn’t matter the product.
Rosie and I recently had a Grand Design Solitude. It was a 310 2017. We had so many issues over the time we had it. While Micah and Nate were still at GD. we had excellent service and feedback but then GD. was sold to Winnebago and some of the main people left and started Brinkley and our service and communication stopped. The rear end would shift about a foot back and forth as we would drive down the road. We got rid of the unit last year and bought a Brinkley Z-3100 which we love. Spent last summer in Alaska and the winter on BLM land outside of Yuma, Az. All off grid. When we do have issues Micah or someone at Brinkley are right on it to get it fixed or parts replaced. Burlington Bill busking on the road and here on you tube.
2nd Comment but this stuff infuriates me. I'm so tired of the "it's in an earthquake" excuse and these Mfg and their shills using that excuse. They say it's the customer's fault for towing them or having them outside. VEHICLE is in the name. If it can't be outside or on a road why is VEHICLE in the name? In the GDRV case VEHICLE is in the name of the company but they say if you have it outside on a a road the warranty is void (using pages of lawyer words but that's what it amounts to).
I would like to know if these major issues are mostly on the larger well equipped units or all sizes. Seems like the engineers of the frame builders and the engineers of the coach builders need to be working together from start to finish.
Pull the carpet back on the sides of the wall on the floor, you’ll find missing lag bolts.
In my 2022 GD Momentum 5 lag bolts were tight and in place after 30,000 miles.
@@Freightmeister Both sides? Maybe they were addressed previously. Not all 5ers had the issue.
DOT needs to get involved
Wow! Holy Cow
Is Jayco Eagle having any issues with the frame? I have a 2020 321 rsts. I’m not full time. Thank you 🙏
I have been researching Rv’s since last summer. Looking at what would suit our needs for full time living. I almost bought into GD marketing pitch and the TH-cam GD “ambassadors”. I as dug deeper into all the different manufacturers of Rv’s. I have come to the concconclusion that the major manufacturers of Rv are crap. You know what based my decision on. We bought 4 used rv’s and while we enjoyed/enjoy using them. We realized the lack of quality of these cheaper units. And while a few weeks a year. They would never hold up to full time living if traveling in a regular basis. I am not here to promote any brand , but I believe I have found a truly four seasons package Rv that has a real quality build. GD is not even close to this manufacturer
I think it would benefit people if you did mention the brand.
When we decided to go full time i did the same thing and crossed GD off the list as soon as i laid my eyes on one in person, they are literally a polished turd based off what i saw.
I narrowed my list down pretty quickly and after doing factory tours it was very clear to me where i wanted to land but we still had a decision to make. New Horizons is one of the brands we considered but the wait time for one was simply too long. We ended up in a DRV JX450 and we have not been disappointed with it.
@@TDub_ADV since you requested it The manufacturer is Outdoors RV. They have videos of their manufacturing process on their website. Not just an after hours walk through, but filming a start to finish process. I don’t know if another manufacturer that has allowed such videos. I also like New Horizon, but we decided to go with a tt for more boondocking/offgrid applications. The 80/100 gallon freshwater tank that is designed to be filled to capacity before venturing on your trip was another great selling point for me.
@@Capt-John-T-Moore I have heard nothing but good things about the Outdoors RV.
Back when i was in the research phase there was only one in Elkhart that did tours while the factory was in productionand that was DRV. Compared to other tours we did i felt they were very transparent on how the rigs are built. The DRV tour was also very unrushed, we spent as much time as we wanted on any specific process on the line and even had the line workers to talk to us if we had a specific question they could answer, which we did ask quite a few. It was kind of eye opening compared to others who had a very narrative driven tour and only showed you what they wanted you to see when the shop floor was offline. DRV has some vids too on walkthrus that show stuff happening.
For us we wanted a 5th wheel toyhauler and wanted one in a larger size class.
Boeing type failure. People pointing fingers to each other. Nothing will happen till something happens.
No one makes things like they used to. Even automotive companies doing the same thing. Designing things to fail after warranty. Companies pay people to design things to fail after warranties.
GD and Keystone, the Boeing of the RV industry 😢
in 2 years GD will be bankrupt. most dealerships will not take a GD for trade anymore. Some dealerships will
not order and sell on their lots people are learning about their crappy build. its just not GD its most rv in general. wish japan would sell their rv here in states. i was going to buy one to live in but build quality is horrible plus rv parks are too expensive for what you get.
Dangerous rig.
Oops! BTW "Liz" is NOT amazing. Blocked her channel a long time ago! Now, how about doing some videos where you recommend a camper that someone might be happy with instead of all this doom and gloom.
Absolutely!
Someone has to call out the manufacturers for all the garbage on the market. I won't mention the brand but I'm having my slide completely replaced for structural failure (outer wall and floor). Flimsy junk and yes its a major brand. 2024 model. Luckily they aren't dodging the approval.
First of all, you are an idiot if you buy something that big to go "camping." That's not camping, There is going to have to be a massive lawsuit of consumers to get this settled. Buyers beware.