Ishtar and Tammuz
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- This is not your typical love story. Ishtar is no goddess to trifle with as she represents both love and war, and her worship is ultimately about achieving political power. She also threatened a zombie apocalypse if the gates of hell were not opened for her. But even goddesses like Ishtar need love, and she found it in a simple shepherd named Tammuz. If they were on Facebook, their relationship status would be “it’s complicated.” Join us for a discussion of this most interesting and complicated story of a goddess and her simple mortal man. Spoiler alert: it doesn’t end well.
About the Series
There is something about two or (as a philosopher would say) twoness. Sure, one or oneness is the ultimate reality, but twoness speaks to that which is more than one-multiplicity, the many, manifestations-in other words life itself. If one is our aspiration, two is our reality, the place from which we reach for the one. Also, it’s difficult to tell a good story about the one because stories function through conflict and tension, and for that you need at least two. Accordingly, the stories we have told ourselves throughout the world and all through history are stories of two, especially couples. In this President’s Class, we examine some of these great stories of couples. We will learn what they symbolize to the cultures who told them and what they can mean for us today. Welcome to Mythic Couples and their Modern Meanings.
About the Speaker:
Greg Salyer, Ph.D. is the President of the Philosophical Research Society. For twenty-five years, he has been an administrator and scholar in higher education institutions, but his highest calling has always been that of teacher. Trained in interdisciplinary studies, Dr. Salyer moves through the disciplines of literature, philosophy, and religious studies looking for and helping his students find practical and profound wisdom in the stories, texts, and ideas created all over the world and throughout history.
Learn more about PRS, online classes, and find sources of practical and profound wisdom at www.prs.org/.
The quest for truth takes you to strange paths.
But it's worth it...
So great to find such good lectures about things not so many are interested in
Thanks
This was amazing! This actually helped me sleep, the imagery is so vivid and easy to get lost in!
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Every day I worry all day. Ishtar's waiting in the bushes of love.
Could ishtar be who the aztecs and mayans had been worshipping all along? I have read plenty of books about them that leads me to believe they knew the historical truth about venus symbology.
I've watched it too many times! What a great storyteller!
59:10 "She actually gets in a fight with a mountain."
That isn't just any mountain she gets in a fight with. That is Enlil, The Great Mountain. He was "arrested" after having sex with Ninlil, who by the way was "Queen of Heaven" just like her title, and can also be known is Ishtar. So check out those other stories. They tie in well with that sentence.
I'ma hafta check for the link between Enlil and Mt. Ebhi, but yeah Enlil's sentence to the Underworld is a very underappreciated story for understanding the whole Sumerian cosmology. Kinda like Osiris's story but with pervy sex instead of violence...and pervy sex-with-dead-cocks...
Brilliant lecture, smart, very good humor. Also-mazing map of the crescent , surrounded by 5 Seas. Imagine the Ice age low land bridges all over, and then the Flood made it an Island!
Greg , you are the first person i observe presenting the Map this way. It always intrigued me:
there were not one but several floods after the last glacial maximum. At east 2 were like a 'wave' from the north, when European rivers changed course. The last flood supposedly created Black Sea, but the 2 or more before the last also made huge impact. Think of the sea levels Ice age and after, think of massive melting and weather changes from cold to warm and back, as centuries pass by and humidity, water, ice, vapor , all of what creates the atmosphere dynamically change.
Inanna was always my favorite. It is not hard to notice that she is the best candidate for a Paleolithic Venus (from 40000-0000 years BC), though much younger. The Venus figurine is a classic signature artifact of the Homo Sapience since BEFORE even the mammoth hunting times ..and till this day, well, if we consider format of erotic and romantic kind .
I see Inanna as a direct advisor to Humanity in a time of the most severe cold period, around 20 000 years back. Figurines we find in Ice Age settlements suggest that the invocation ritual, say before entering the cave to be sure if there is no tiger there.
It had to be a Female Goddess, a Sophia indeed, a Wisdom, a Wicca Witch and she was MOTHERING humans when we were at around 6000 all together population on Earth
Lets compare Female mothering Deity, who's help so is so much needed under the circumstance ..to Agni, God of Fire, responsible for the nuclear explosions in the stars.
No Agni is no help in a trouble situation in an Ice age cave. We need Inanna, a mother, a Wisdom, a very human oriented Loving Goddess. She was our great Teacher and guide and still She is!
I could have listened for another hour, fascinating.
It's nice how much blocked the english colture is about femmine sexuality. And it's clear why the femmine power has been demonized from that time on to enhance the masculine era. Thank you for your amazing work
Even worse how the people that once worshipped ishtar (Arabs) completely avoid feminine sexuality.
Thank the godess that we are no longer surpressed from talking about the power of the wondrous vulva. Our society is so much better now
Yes it’s not just English culture that is repressed - remember she was originally a middle eastern goddess - Greek Phoenician Turkish Arabic Egyptian - possibly originally from the Caucasus mountains - but if we are thinking we are liberated - listen to the descriptions of her seductions - she displays her Volver - she drinks people under the table - to get value in power from them - if you think of yourself is liberated - and not suppressed ask yourself, can I see a table dancer a lapdancer as someone sacred- If you can then you can start to think of yourself as a liberated mind
But Abraham being referred to as "The man from Ur of the Chaldeans" doesn't establish that Abraham lived at 1000BC or later- it only establishes that the oral tradition was written down 1000BC or later when that region was associated with the Chaldeans- I'm guessing probably after the Babylonian Captivity- unless there is something earlier in the historical record- ?
Great lecture. Thank you for the upload!
I love his enthusiasm.
Scouse woman in Liverpool England now kinda gets this fascinating often confusing topic. You did well, I enjoyed it and it now makes more sense . At 47 it’s probably about time !,, thanks
A great lecture throughout. I loved his little throwaway on Asherah towards the end.
Fabulous! It reminds me of the two Babylons by Alexander Hislap
I am writing a Rite of Ishtar and Tammuz for my group to use as ceremony. This has been so helpful. The roadblock has fallen and we are on our way into the underworld.
"From the Great Above she opened her ear to the Great Below."
i truly enjoyed this lecture. Glad I came across it.
Wow, Ishtar became a lot of Greek goddesses, didn't she? I've heard Aphrodite is based on her but she also has traits of Demeter, Athena, Artemis, and probably many more.
Yes ur correct she plays Innana ishtar isis ashtar asherah the queen of heaven Jeremiah cover her where the jews burn asherah poles to her...known as godess of love and war..also statue of liberty is her even us military worship her coz he says it on their website marines is semiramas backward that was her sumerian name..aphrodite is her aswel just like tammuz is dumuzi nimrod enmarkar is nimrod is sumaria gilgamesh is the son of enil know as utu shamesh...they change their names in differnt times different kingdoms so same so called gods but their fallen gods watches only 1real god check up lord of aretta is noah who hated nimrod and also innana and tammuz wore adam and eve garments God gave them in eden enki is satan
Son of enki is tammuz nimrod enmarkar in sumaria enki at eridu where the tower of Babel was built where the enki was summoned
@@davidcostello5318 I've read she is Maria Magdalena and Lamia as well!
@@user-ui3em2ev1j Indeed. The Queen of Heaven.
I love this so much. I wish there wasn’t any manipulation on either side though
Thoroughly enjoyed that! Thank you very much.
I wish I had had this professor! I'm sure I would have loved him
Lilith - "What goes around, comes around, sis"
Someone digitally animated this story on TH-cam. I enjoyed it.
link? I've been looking for it.
So that’s it?! This powerful beautiful goddess gets older and just humiliated and disrespected?! What happens after that😢 how does she make her come back I MUST KNOW
the goddess is alive and well today, don't you worry 🙏 speak, daughter! and she will hear you.
These old stories are full of the female characters who we need to rediscover and then restore them to their former glory. This is the age to make the sacred feminine as powerful and as important as the sacred masculine. As a writer, I am doing this. If you would like to read that story go to Amazon and look up "Little Red Wolf by Paul Schumacher."
She does. In the series 'American Gods' is her comeback
Women and Men are tremendously hateful, jealous, and envious of her. Their being exposed on all levels and industries. She obtains everything she ever wanted in the end. His story does not always repeat itself. (O.I.A.)
A lot of her traits are carried on into the best/most powerful/most respectable Greek goddesses, and we remember her today as "Aphrodite" and "Venus," so she never really went away. She does turn into kind of a jealous drama queen, but I think anyone learning about her today is bound to portray her a little more respectably than that, and far better than Gilgamesh did.
I've been trying to study Ishtar and this lecture has some of the best information that I have seen yet. Can you please site a few of your sources so that I may read more?
Sure. Most of the texts come from this source: archive.org/stream/input-compressed-2015mar28a29/done-compressed-2015mar28a29_djvu.txt
And here's another terrific resource: sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/asbook03.asp
Samuel Noah Kramer did much of the translation. the folklorist Dianne Wolkstein did the english interpretation with him, staying true to the poetic structure.
Great information! Thank you!
48:10, so that’s where the term bar fly comes from😂
I always thought of Ishtar and Lilith being the same.... that all the deities across all mythologies were the same. just different perspectives.
I was listening to a rabbi say that it is all mistranslated. I always wonder...
Great, thanks for this...
Let's not forget that Ishtar was also worshipped by the Assyrians.
Even Abyssinians which is why a lot of modern Ethiopians and Somalis name each other Ishtar.
The Tree is a Genealogical tree, the Serpent represents Azazel, and the Eagle, or Anzu bird represents Semyaza.
It was Semyaza who had children with Innana’s relatives. “And the Anzu bird set his young in the branches of the tree.”
“The Serpent made his nest in the root of the tree.” Azazel would be reborn into the bloodline of Seth, as Jesus (Lucifer), grandson of the angel Ieou (Yew). The “root” is the lineage of Jesse.
“From (Jesse's) roots, a branch (Netzer) will bear fruit'. The Nazarene.
Gilgamesh prepares for war. “Gilgamesh puts on his armor, shoulders his axe.”
It appears they waged war with Azazel and his army. “Gilgamesh striking the Serpent.”
Gilgamesh may represent a people, or nation(s). Perhaps the Sumers, or Akkads. But a group of people.
“The Anzu bird flees with his young to the mountains.” The children of Semyaza flee to another area, presumably high in the mountains. Perhaps in preparedness for the coming deluge.
The “cutting off” of the branches to the tree represent the cutting off of geneogies, via genocide, murder. Their geological lines were severed in other words, stopped in their tracks.
The “trunk of the tree” appears to represent another faction to all of this, presumably involving Deucalion, (Noah).
It was a daughter of Adamas, Norea, who met with Lilith (Eleleth). I believe the Ark was even burned down initially. Lilith may represent a lineage all together, correlating with the “Trunk” of the genealogical tree. The most relevant and important part of the tree. It could, therefore, simply represent the line of Adamas, who’s descendants (Noah, etc.) survive in an Ark.
So, in making a “throne” out of the Trunk, one is making a line of kings out of it. It is from the Trunk in which veers off to the individual branches; Shem, Japhet, and Ham. ‘Not sure on this one'.
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WOW ! THANK YOU for sharing your insight
Excellent
I enjoyed this very much! Thank you.
This was amazing you are a great teacher
Well done sir.
Let me learn without delay. Let the eternal cycle end. Let my goddess be venerated. Let my wife be loved and honored.
Thanks for the teachings, hard to put it all together, but you did it.
Where does it say, Ishtar is the one who gets Enki drunk? This appears to be an inaccurate reading? He orders beer to be served. This feels important.
Thank you so much for this information.
At 59.30, I didn't know Ishtar was from the south...lol
*Truly Divine!*
Great upload
Excellent.
i like this
you’re brilliant!
according to your perceptions!
It's the place where the paradise was before the flood.
excellent lecture keep up
amazing presentation
Thank You.
So the first ascended "Christ" was a woman! Wow! What a story!?
Richard Silk we are only saved by the blood of Jesus.
There are some key differences between ascension of Inanna and Christ. It's important to realise that the motif of ascent or return from the netherworld is present in most of cultures around the globe. This motif is rooted in prehistoric shamanic believes and practices which include journey to the netherworld as a part of initiation or in order to retrieve a lost soul.
It's more accurate to say that Christ was sort of a "shaman".
This ia a wonderful history information🎆thank you🌹
Very informative...respect!
Oldest song by Peter Pringle enjoy. You may find the name Goidel Glas, Fenius Farsaid interesting .
#GODDESSLIVESMATTER ♊😇♊
Thank you for this.
Wow
Innana know as ishtar isis asherah her consort yahweh they used to burn asherah poles to her in old testament and know as gods wife but known as god of love and war so seminaries is marines backward now u no why america is mystery babylon the state of liberty is off innana seminriemes but I want to no is she known as jezebel back in the old testament coz marduk pit up the statue of bel so bel is baal baal poer baal haddad is enil enki is satan dumuzi and tammuz are known as same figure in scripture my adonai mean my lord..which is for dumuzi tammuz enki I think but lillith is innana and jezebel and marduk worshiped bel so bel is baal satan again am I right plz answer
I theorize that Ishtar could be an aspect of Tiamat that is actively seeking to restoring herself with the authorities she steals from the other Gods.
Now, if Isis was pronounced Aset, or even Ashesh, or Atheth, or Asheth, isn't I'shta'(s)h basically the same word?
Enjoying lecturw
Lecture I enjoy
great talk. fell of my bed laughing
the birth of TH-cam
Whatever came out of Eygpt, eventually went into Mesopotamia, including oral stories, etc?
Is there any correlation with the story of St Mary of Egypt and Ishtar? St Mary was a nymphomaniac basically and she was stopped from entering the church on pilgrimage in Jerusalem. She went to the desert to live alone with nothing and no temptations. She was visited by a priest. Long story short, she died and the priest buried her with the help of a lion 🦁
Mary of the Catholics is Ishtar
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Yes
Better than the Song of Solomon. 💐❤️
ishtar...
bout a yr an a half ago...
i declared....
(ich kon ishtar waasu)🤔
bout half a yr ago...
reckon i did ♥️
I need comments
Doesn’t the 12,600 year old site at Gobekli Tepi challenge the birth of civilizations in southern Mesopotamia and Egypt? I’m pretty sure that the sites at Gobekli Tepi have shown that is where the birth of agriculture and building of homes and animal husbandry began. So I am trying to figure out how Mesopotamian and Egyptian civilizations fit if they are some 6,000 years after the sites of Gobekli?
Gobekli Tepi sites don't seem to be the proof of a full-fledged civilisation.
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Does someone know the name of the book from where the speaker is reading from?
Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth: Her Stories and Hymns from Sumer, Diane Wolkstein and Samuel Noah Kramer
@@uprsedu Thank you very much. I will try yo get it
Its kurdistan , the place belonged to kurdish ancestores Median , Hurrian , Hatti , Hittie , summaria , Mesopotamian etc.
Kurdish are really something.
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Look up the teachings of Ptahotep...May be abit older
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Forgive me I'm learning and this is the first time I've heard of these people. Anyways Lilith was found in the garden of Eden but I thought it was only Adam and Eve in the garden
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I thought her father was enki
Took his clothes off in the woods, and ran around?
Is Ishtar lucifer ?
Nope 😆
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The farmer part was funny
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gods do not exist outside of the minds of men
What do you mean by that?
Absolutely nothing exists outside the minds of men or women.
Sargon of Akkad is God of the Bible, Sargon II is Jesus and Enheduanna is Mother Mary
"Tummaz" - "Thomas" ..
May 272001fullmoonbloodmoonmoonmoon
No wonder Sumer fell
Ishtar look dressed up as if in a play with wings .....ishtar was a clone. Posing for a camera nude such as a muse eh?..Depopulate
Okay then, I didn’t need to see those pictures, I just wanted to know who ishtar was, I regret that
I missed that, which pictures?
Thank you.