Just a simple vid on MX type keyswitches. Yep I know, you can go way deeper, and you guys aren't really the ones that need to be shown the light, but I think you know what I was going for here. But it looks like we're generating some awesome discussion!
Thank you for taking my "yuck" comment out of context at 0:26 by omitting the second part of the comment that says "I wish these "budget boards" would just let you swap the switches out with gateron switches at least if they're gonna keep costs down. :/" I never said anything about Cherry MX switches being the defacto switch; just that more budget boards should go for kailh/gaterons instead of _defaulting_ to Outemu because it's cheaper (outemu blues and skies ice v2 are the only outemus that are "worth it" if you're forced to go with outemu). I know just as well as you do that more exotic switches should be up for display in retail stores so they can actually try outemus/gaterons/zealios/holy pandas/Aristotles/alps/etc in person instead of just trusting the word of "redditors" who may see the switch as good for them but doesn't fit their personal preference. The keyboard world should not just be dominated by two manufacturers in retail stores. How you get the normies in the community is that you show off all the switches you can to them *in person* plain and simple, because we need this clicky clacky world to be a happier one and it doesn't start with taking people's comments out of context. :)
I've been using linear Cherry MX Blacks with my daily driver keyboard for about a year now. I find that from my own subjective point of view, when combined with their higher weighting and tall double shot spherical keycaps, they have a rather smooth sandy feel that enhances their tactility, rather than the "scratchiness" that others tend to describe of them.
To be fair, even Alps switches were originally made to be linear, and they just thought of adding the tactile or clicky leaf later. Doing so made clicky and tactile Alps unable to take backlight LEDs.
@@michael4196 Blacks are the original MX switch type, which is why you'll hear a lot of talk in some communities about vintage Blacks. Cherry later designed a notch in the slider to generate a tactile bump, and thats how we got Browns and Clears. In the case of Blues, they were originally designed not with clickiness in mind at all. The click jacket/sleeve that generates the sound was originally invented to produce hysteresis (having the reset point above the actuation point), which was a quality considered desirable for typists. That they generated a clicky sound was entirely incidental, and they just rolled with it.
@@michael4196 cherry was originally a general switch company in the 60s. they soon moved into keyboard switches in the 70s and created the m4 m5 m6 switch. with different variations. linear, tactile, shift lock and alternate action. so i dont believe they are based on linear designs. they always had variety in mind. and im sure the companies that needed these switches made sure they had enough variety for the time. very interesting history imo.
HAHAHA xD it's interesting to see how much perspectives differ! If I'd make a video with a title like that, I'd be talking about completely different stuff!
Would be perfect if you followed up this video with a key switch buyer's guide based on desired feel or the supposed keyboard's purpose and what it's meant to be used for (typing/gaming/both/etc). Also, loved the video's presentation, easy to follow and lots of examples for a clean understanding. *SOLID 5/7* keep it up!
@@isak1917 Browns are like reds with an added bump just to provide the very lame "tactility" it's supposed to provide. Some people complain that Cherry Reds are already scratchy on their own. And that bump on the Browns just adds yet more friction. That is what I mean by: "Browns are scratchy by design." Based on sliding on a bump, ideally should be a smooth and frictionless matter, but it is not. Or course exact plastics and materials used (and manufacturing tolerances and lubing and what not) might make a difference, so ymmv
If you like clicky: even Kailh box white switches are god next to Cherry MX blue. If you prefer traditional clickjacket clickies, even Outemu Ice Clicks are 100x better than regular MX blues.
@@anasevi9456 I went from MX Browns to Kailh Speed Silvers (which I didn't like, felt they were too sensitive) to Kailh Box Royals, which I'm typing on right now, and these are the most gloriously tactile switches I've ever typed on. Easily the best decision I made since getting into keyboards.
I used Mx blue daily for two years, then hanwired a Planck with kailh heavy yellow, then got a kailh tester and I loved the clickbar but I still used the kailh sage I had to build my Dactyl Manuform. Said that... my XD75 is going to have kailh box pink :)
The irony is that if you look at vintage stuff Cherry MX was...pretty mediocre compared to its contemporaries. But then rubber domes started to take over and most keyboard manufacturers started to focus on low cost more than anything. Therefore most switch manufacturers just abandoned the market entirely. They didn't see much room for profit. Cherry was about the only mechanical keyswitch maker to keep at it and they deserve some credit for that. Then when there was a big revival in interest in mechanical keyboards (larger due to the gaming market) Cherry became the de facto choice because they were the only people still making mechanical key switches in large quantities. Honestly I've never liked Cherry switches. I mostly stuck to vintage boards until Kailh started doing some interesting stuff int he MX-compatible world. There are some other decent switches as well, like Zeal's stuff. But personally I actively avoid 'genuine Cherry' switches.
Are MX type switches the best? Look IBM Buckling Springs, Topre switch, Alps SKCL/M series and Plate springs, Fujitsu Leaf Spring, you will find the answer by yourself. Anyway, the MX type switches have the merit of being starters for everyone who wants a mechanical keyboard without chasing old keybs like the Dell AT101, SGI Granite, IBM Model M, ecc. P.S: MX mount today is a must for using MX keycaps, since most artisan and high profile keycaps are MX mount
@@CharlesHydronium Topre switches and keyboard are still made, look at RealForce, HHKB, Leopold capacitive. Unicomp makes IBM Model M (membrane buckling spring) reissues that work over USB. It would be nice to see again Alps SKCM/L serie (Matias switches are clones of simplified Alps SKBM), Plate spring switches, capacitive buckling springs and Fujitsu leaf spring switches (both linear and clicky), and IBM beam springs too (maybe an updated version that allows faster typing). Also vintage high profile keycaps like HiPro, Fujitsu, IBM beam springs, Honeywell, KeyTronic are damn cool IMO.
@N. Tilton There is the APT Hall Effect, but Input Club is developing a new hall effect switch called SILO, and it's MX compatible, hot swappable, and the clicky version is beam spring
I just switched from Cherry MX Browns after 6 years (my first mech) to Kailh Plum/Purple (my first custom build) which are also tactile but heavier and man do they feel good (lubed of course). So I can confirm what you said at around 4:00
I've always worship cherry mx browns but after researching on my own about building keyboards, testing key switches, my life is forever changed and now I'm sticking with my gateron aliaz.
ugh god, I remember buying a Corsair Browns thinking, "oh wow these feel nice", I got a Topre board with modded BKE domes a few years later, and have been using that ever since. I recently had to use my Corsair for a little bit while I wait for an extra stabilizer I broke while working on my main board and god dam do MX browns feel as dry and scratchy as my ass in the desert
agreed. I see so many people write off keyboards because they don't have cherry switches. my favorite switches are the varmilo rose switches and zeal tealios.
18266609 if you like tealios you should try black gateron inks. cheaper and imo better. you can also change the spring weight to get them closer to tealios
Cherry MX brown are simultaneously the most popular switch and also the worst cherry mx switch. It doesn't have enough tactility. Regardless, I now use Kailh thick click switches. Jades are my favorite. I have already dumped cherry tactile switches, but I do love my keyboard with zealeos switches.
I like the sound of Kailh Box Navy and the weighting of Jade. My favorite switch is White Alps. I've never tried blues but would love to. I dislike Cherry blue, and if I must use a Cherry switch, I prefer black.
I think something similar to this happens a lot in the tech world. When it comes to audio, people seem to like beats, bose, skullcandy etc. But these brands are no different from Corsair, Razer or other gaming brands in the keyboard world. There are much better stuff for the price like stuff from Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, Monoprice etc. Cherry does make some pretty good switches. Their linears aren't all that bad although I think Gateron and Kailh pretty much caught up. MX Clears are actually a very unique switch and they are also pretty tactile. Retooled MX Blues are actually very tactile. Much more tactile than their older MX Blue variants. However most of their switches always have a better, and possibly cheaper alternative. Blues, albeit being pretty tactile, rattle like hell. Kailh clickbar switches beat them out. Stock MX Blacks are just too heavy for their own good and mx reds too light. They are also scratchy stock. Gateron linears and kailh cream switches are smoother. MX Clears are great switches but Zealios exist and I would say MOD switches are also better than MX Clears. Their browns are just sad imo. There is pretty much no reason for anyone to get Cherry MX Browns over Gateron Brown or Kailh BOX Brown unless they are using vintage browns. It's all a matter of perspective, as most people will consider cherry switches to be an upgrade from their non mechanical keyboards but considering how better value switches already exist, Cherry MX will probably slowly fade away from the competition as time goes by. Just like how people seem to think Beats are amazing headphones because of course, they will sound better than the $5 earbuds they generally tend to use. But for the price, there will be better options than the most popular stuff. In the end, it is a win for the consumers as they will get better, and cheaper products due to the competition. I am hoping Cherry actually innovates something big and bring something incredible to the table, just like what Input club is doing with their Silo switches. The low profile switches are pretty unique, but they aren't remarkable and I would consider them to be already outclassed by the kailh low profile switches. At some point, more and more switches from Kailh and Gateron will catch up to the general public and will be the norm. On the other hand, there are even more premium switches like Alps and Buckling spring which are even better than the best MX based switches. However I wouldn't really blame people for not knowing much about these older switches. At this point comparing Cherry & its clones to Alps/IBM switches is the equivalent of comparing something like $200 audiophile headphones vs $2000 audiophile headphones.
i think bose is a different story though with the noise cancelling headphones, their speakers are definitely not bad but i agree for the price you can get better, but man the bose qc is really comfortable
What would you say is a great clicky switch for about the same price point as the blues? It really sucks to live somewhere without any real physical access to mechanical keyboards and having to buy stuff only based on hearsay--
Maheep Singh kailh box jade/navy is amazing, theyre they have like the perfect click imo, theyre €0.02 more expensive than cherry mx per piece on kbdfans but more than worth it
@@maheepsingh3612 Any of the Kailh BOX clicky switches. The Jades and Navies will wow you but they can be very harsh. They are the most tactile switch in the market right now. The other switches like White and Pale Blue are also great. Very smooth and crisp. In my personal opinion, BOX Pale Blues are the best gaming switch.
I was the same before, I thought that Cherry was the highest quality possible. But now, I've realised that there are other varieties of switches that are good and might even be a better alternative. Currently in pursuit of Zilents or Aliaz switches
I just got my first mech after years of cheap Woolworths keyboards, lol I got another cheap one but it's got outemu reds and I love it ;) $65 aud from Kogan.
Just found your channel while researching on mechanical keyboard, and see that you play insurgency sand storm, i just sub instantly. Apart from that great content!
Was just about to order Mx browns, gonna go for either zelio or zilents now instead :) Have gateron silent browns which are alright but preferred Mx browns as they are more tactile, perhaps zilents will be perfect! Thanks for a great channel!
did you just say that mx browns feel tactile everyone knows the browns are not tactile, they are clearly linear you uncultured swine! (this is a joke, don't kill me.)
Everytime I watch your gameplay footage, it takes me back to the year 2010 or before that. Not only the games but also your monitor. Idk maybe it's just me. Great vid tho really appreciate and like it.
Absolutely agree. I didnt even consider other key switch brands until i was messing with some mechs at BestBuy and stumbled onto the g815 with the Khail choc clicky switches and side by side they felt far and away better than anything else on display in the store
For the linear switching I 100% agree on the tactile not so much the offerings are too expensive add to them import fees and taxes and shipping. Also I would love a milky mx clear. I have the T1 switch but prefer the feel of milky housings
i like cherry blues and in general i tend to enjoy clicky switches the most but not always if that makes sense. like when i want a clicky switch nothing can compare but i can also find them annoying. that being said my favorite and daily driver switch that i really love and never get sick of is cherry brown. i’ve used a couple of other “brown equivalents” but cherry brows are just the best to me
I bought the Ergodox EZ with Kaihl Gold switches. They are by Far my most favorite clicky switches. Overall my 2 favorite switches are the Kaihl Gold and Cherry MX Clears
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer They're heavier than MX Blues if you've used those. They're in between Blues and Greens. I like heavier switches. They're rated at 60gf, which is 5 less than MX Clears. Though I would say with the clicky they feel equally as heavy as MX Clears to what I can tell. Though there's something about how tactile the Gold's are compared to MX Blues that gives me better feedback when I'm typing
All about the stabilizers and keycaps. Just picked up a Durgod 320L, great solid board. I’m used to MacBooks for work, so a Cherry MX Silver Speed switch is perfect for my hands... for heavy hands stay go Brown or Red
Vintage Linear Cherry MX switches are soooo much smoother than anything I've tried. Modern ones feel like sandpaper in comparison. They also feel a lot tighter/less wiggly.
I'm very happy with the buckling springs on my Unicomp Model M; though I'm getting more and more curious about other types of switches, as I'm intrigued by the possibility of building a mechanical keyboard from the ground up. The Unicomp is great - but I'd really like to try something that felt a little sturdier.
@@travdump209 Hmm not sure about even that, my Kailh Silvers that I put into my Race 3 are noticeably smoother and better weighted compared to the Cherry MX Silvers that were in there previously.
@@travdump209 Sometimes MX Blacks are better, but most of the time reds are very scratchy compared to everyone else. especially gateron and kailh for linears.
Great video mate! One thing that's turned out to be a major criteria for me in key switch is wobble Gaterons are smooth but seem to have a bit more wobble than cherry. Personally Kailh box switches seem superior to me in comparison with the competitors in their range and quality, sound, feel etc and very little wobble. e.g Kailh box navy thick clicks are the best clicky switch Ive tried. And their burnt orange heavy is a great tactile switch. Yet to try their Jade which I think is even more tactile but have read it's a bit too tactile.
On the difficulty of trying out the alternatives, hot swappable boards make this a lot easier for someone who doesn't want to build a custom keyboard. Someone could buy a GMMK for example without the switches, then buy clone switches separately for a decent price. I've tried out 4 clone switches this way and only just built my first custom.
Yes! That is true. There's more and more hotswappable keyboards coming out now (Kailh sockets), which definitely makes it easier in trying different keyswitches.
@@Sapphire200 i get to try mx blue brown and red and all of them felt worse that the ordinary laptop built in keyboards. I used to called that nasty feeling i get from those mx switches mushy, now i think its called scratchy? they all felt like having dust under those caps, and the "dust" is giving some kind of uniform friction when i press/release/the key pressed down completely.
If I HAVE to buy a commercial non custom keyboard, I’m only picking a non cherry switch. I’d pick box whites for clicks, Gateron brown for tactile, and gateron black for linears. Tbh the only mx switch I still like are cherry mx clear and black switches I prefer other switches on custom boards but I feel like these are becoming more common nowadays, and can easily be found on things like the Anne pro, varmillo boards, ducky boards, etc
mathew chen For me: Clicky: Kailh box white, box pale blue or box navy (lightest, medium, heavy). They have a difference in how heavy they feel, and a slightly different click mechanism Tactile: zealpc zealios v2 67g, Kailh speed copper if you want something light with a satisfying bump and a short travel distance (great for light Typing and for gaming/spamming a single key) Linear: gateron inks are my favorites hands down. Zealpc Tealios are really great. Gateron yellows are really smooth and are a little heavier than a gateron red/cherry red. Remember it’s all preference. I find I like a noticeable tactile feedback, which is why I liked clicky switches most at first, and what got me interested in zealios and holy panda switches. And recently I’ve been liking linears because of how smooth they feel. And I bottom out a lot and it like simulates some form of tactility for me.
A lot of people like to bash Cherry now a days, which I think is uncalled for. Granted they may not be the best value anymore, but they are the OG that set the standard for many years. They deserve some respect.
I find typing with a heavy, tactile switch more accurate. I also like click and clack, so I'm pretty fond of my vortex pok3r with cherry mx greens. But if I knew of a better switch for my tastes then I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try.
I had 3 kailh switch keyboard break on me but I had zero issues with Cherry MX. It's pretty hard for me to not be biased especially after these experiences.... Corrosion was the reason for all 3 kailh keyboards breaking. I had double and triple actuation on multiple keys. Also these keyboards broke after less than 11 or 12 months of use at best.
I've been using the silver (speeds) for two years and at first I thought it didn't make much of a difference to actuate at 1.5mm vs 2mm. Now, I can actually tell the difference whenever I use my brother's reds.
Hey! Im looking forward to buying the ducky one 2 mini, im gonna be gaming, and using google and yt, will I have any trouble when typing if I buy the silver switches??? Some people say that silver switches are very bad when it comes to typing
@@joelfalco8735 they'll be a learning curve but you'll adjust and you'll probably become more accurate since it requires a lighter touch to actuate the keys.
Cherry still have the best manufacturing tolerances, consistency and quality control - where they fall down is options and range. Each switch is basically the "generic" in each switch type. They definitely deserve criticism for failing to innovate on design or offer as diverse a range as competitors but if I had to have just one keyboard, I would go for a cherry switch 100% of the time.
I'm a huge fan of cherry switches especially reds. I've been using it for so long, but after trying gateron clears, I don't think I can ever go back. Now when ever I go back to other key switches, I feel like I have to push extra hard to just press the switch.
you right i use to use mx a lot. My last keyboard was brown cerry mx ducky one 2 mini and then i just got the razer hunstman te red switches and damn i straight put my ducky at the back of my drawer.
For keyboards, theres the mass drop alt or glorious modular keyboards for general users. I recommend Glorious. Can just use whatever you feel like whenever. You can do fun things like having certain switches on wasd shift space etc for gaming while having other switches on every other key. Could just solder switches in any other board but these keyboards make it super simple.
I’ve gone down the rabbit hole big time over the last year. That year of burning money taught me two things... first is Topre. Second is lubed Gateron Yellows. You’re welcome.
I've seen people complain about Gateron being more wobbly than Cherry, and I can confirm this. Gateron switches make the stems a bit smaller to be smoother, but it results in more space for the stem to shake in the housing, aka wobble.
I actually had the opposite experience then like everyone i guess, I had a gateron keyboard that felt so scratchy I refunded and now have very smooth feeling cherry switches
@@soxic-y8e I haven't tried gaterons. I have a keyboard with outemo blue switches. I also have one with cheryl max red, 2 with cherry ML and a IBM model F with buckling spring switches.
I genuinely love my Outemu Blues for their feel, but goddamn they are literally the reason I change *every* program with voice chat to PTT. I feel bad for anyone who has to share an apartment with someone with these switches.
Iv’e been using cherry mx brown since the blackwidow ultimate 2013 came out I use that keyboard for about 8years still good today. Just switched to ducky mecha mini with cherry mx browns also.
Cherry MX Nature White are in between the Red and Black variants, for those who want a cool linear switch. They were exclusive to Ducky Channel keyboards, dunno how that ends.
I sold off my Cherry MX Blue board after trying out Kailh Box Whites. So much smoother and cleaner. Currently tried Gateron Yellows, Kailh Speed Silver, and many more to come! Cherry is just boring as hell to me right now.
MX mount switches are great because they're easy to build up and customize. You can get good caps for reasonable prices. There are a lot of options, in terms of how loud or tactile your 'board needs to be. Outemu switches are fine. A little stiffer, color for color, and that makes them feel a bit more tactile. Gaterons are smoother, but it's maybe a 10% difference. All the MX switches get dominated if you broaden out to include all the other possible switch types. If only inexpensive key caps were easy to acquire for ALPS mount switches...
My friend gave me a bunch of different switches to try out. I thought that for example every red would feel the same but to my surprise no. Not at all. I own a tesoro keyboard with the opti red switches so I'm gonna put that into the feeling comparison too: to my surprise the MX Red is the worst. When I press it down it's heavy compared to the others Maybe it's the build of the switch, it feels like the moving part is always touching the side of the casing and it's making it feel like it's scratching it, slowing it down. Or idk how to explain it. The silent red is the exact same just a bit better feel. The tesoro red is my fav so far, really nice, you can feel that you pushed the buttons but there's no big resistance. And for the smoothest one, the Gateron red. It's insanely smooth, actually too smooth for my liking. It sounds dumb, but I literally "can't feel" this switch. I play osu! and I can't play with the Gateron reds because I never know if I pressed the button enough or what. Really weird. The other thing that blew my mind was The MX Speed. I was like haha oke shorter actuation and bottom out cool but that won't make a big difference. But it actually does. And it's really big but to be fair you only gonna notice it if you play rhythm games or something where you need to faceroll on the keyboard real fast. In other cases I don't think it's worth it, especially if you're used to normal switches. The sorter bottom out is hecking weird, feels like I'm gonna break my finger because I want to press it deeper but it's already bottomed out.
That's pretty much the only good switch, also the vintage and the exclusive version of the black switch in a keyboard (that one that have the milky casing).
This is interesting, I had known that these mechanical keyboards are knowing as costly price keyboard (with mx cherry switches) but lately there are comes in cheap price too. I will try to focused on what type of switches they bring into these cheaper mechanical keyboard.
No they aren't. They are just made with good q&a. However their main disadvantage that they are having not very nice feel. And that's big disadvantage. For instance: I bought anne pro 2 with gateron reds and one key is acting weirdly so I will replace it. But men the feel is so good that I am going to try resolder the switch XD When I bought mx speed ones they worked perfectly out of the bix. But outemu also worked perfectly out of the box XD but yeah : Cherry mx just has good Q&A
I used to use cherry mx blues but I got pulled in hard when I recently got gateron reds.. the switches are buttery smooth and typing is bliss on those..
I can list a bunch off the top of my head. Kailh box Razer Massdrop Zeal PC Gateron Ink I do like cherry switches, but the ones I listed are just leagues better
Massdrop is kaihua which is also kaihl. Razer is alright if you want to talk their Optomechanical switch (god they could do without that sharp ugly click though). Libra LK I would dare also mention.
I honestly prefer Gateron over Cherry. I have used the Gateron Optical Browns and the normal ones, and right now the normal Gateron Browns feel great to me.
Fr, people like Outemu more sometimes, and my experience with their blues were pretty bad. Luckily I had a cheap hotswap prebuilt, so the many switches that failed were easily replaced. Definitely like Kailh boxes better though. Would like to buy a bunch of gaterons once I'm bored to try them out.
i never tried Kailh personally but what i found on some computer shops in place nearby me, they feel almost the same. but the best smooth i tried so far is Gateron. but i never own any gaterons. in the end, they are still mechanical and we still get the feel of them.
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Just a simple vid on MX type keyswitches. Yep I know, you can go way deeper, and you guys aren't really the ones that need to be shown the light, but I think you know what I was going for here. But it looks like we're generating some awesome discussion!
You need to do a detailed tactile key roundup video.
Thank you for taking my "yuck" comment out of context at 0:26 by omitting the second part of the comment that says "I wish these "budget boards" would just let you swap the switches out with gateron switches at least if they're gonna keep costs down. :/"
I never said anything about Cherry MX switches being the defacto switch; just that more budget boards should go for kailh/gaterons instead of _defaulting_ to Outemu because it's cheaper (outemu blues and skies ice v2 are the only outemus that are "worth it" if you're forced to go with outemu). I know just as well as you do that more exotic switches should be up for display in retail stores so they can actually try outemus/gaterons/zealios/holy pandas/Aristotles/alps/etc in person instead of just trusting the word of "redditors" who may see the switch as good for them but doesn't fit their personal preference. The keyboard world should not just be dominated by two manufacturers in retail stores. How you get the normies in the community is that you show off all the switches you can to them *in person* plain and simple, because we need this clicky clacky world to be a happier one and it doesn't start with taking people's comments out of context. :)
@@SimGunther lol to be honest, I was quickly going through comments to find stuff. so I cut out the name as well. My bad, poor form.
@@SimGunther haha, as someone who used outemu brown for two years i was going to comment how much i liked them for being silent and cheap, heh
I've been using linear Cherry MX Blacks with my daily driver keyboard for about a year now. I find that from my own subjective point of view, when combined with their higher weighting and tall double shot spherical keycaps, they have a rather smooth sandy feel that enhances their tactility, rather than the "scratchiness" that others tend to describe of them.
Ahh, Cherry MX. The company that makes clicky and tactile switches based on a design that was supposed to be linear.
*points at Kalih BOX Royal*
To be fair, even Alps switches were originally made to be linear, and they just thought of adding the tactile or clicky leaf later. Doing so made clicky and tactile Alps unable to take backlight LEDs.
@@michael4196 Blacks are the original MX switch type, which is why you'll hear a lot of talk in some communities about vintage Blacks. Cherry later designed a notch in the slider to generate a tactile bump, and thats how we got Browns and Clears. In the case of Blues, they were originally designed not with clickiness in mind at all. The click jacket/sleeve that generates the sound was originally invented to produce hysteresis (having the reset point above the actuation point), which was a quality considered desirable for typists. That they generated a clicky sound was entirely incidental, and they just rolled with it.
@@Boyetto-san You need backlight to be able to type?
@@michael4196 cherry was originally a general switch company in the 60s. they soon moved into keyboard switches in the 70s and created the m4 m5 m6 switch. with different variations. linear, tactile, shift lock and alternate action. so i dont believe they are based on linear designs. they always had variety in mind. and im sure the companies that needed these switches made sure they had enough variety for the time. very interesting history imo.
HAHAHA xD it's interesting to see how much perspectives differ! If I'd make a video with a title like that, I'd be talking about completely different stuff!
Chyrosran22 POG, sad to see nobody knows you here.
@@ItsReaxxion haha well, it kinda makes sense - I don't really talk all that much about the popular modern stuff xD .
I hope complicated blue alps are coming back in alternative universe.
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@@venaros9723 God of spoons
Cherry the best ? I can hear all r/mk screeching
boy, you know it
Way to overpriced. For exmample Kailh are more durable, half the price and kind of water resistant.
Gateron browns are my favorite
@@scottdinh5120 haven't tested them.
Vintage cherry blacks/hirose oranges are real nice when retooled and lubed...
Man my switches use click jackets but those click bars sound so clean.
Nothing wrong with click jackets! But click bars are a nice change :)
Yah the bars honestly made the jackets sound like shit.
the click bars kinda sound like a mouse click lol
Im on the hunt for a board with them.
BRO. Not only do they sound so clean, they feel amazing!
Range doesn't really matter when 90% of the keyboards in stores are blues and reds.
Order online?
I'm pretty sure 95% people here order from Amazon
@@riceballalabama4312 lol no, US and UK uses amazon thats about it ...
@Deadpoppin most of europe does not. Germany and uk mainly
France is all about Amazon too…
the short answer is preference the long answer is no
pretty much
It's funny 'cause the short answer is the longer word and the long answer is the shorter word.
Haha. Haha.
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Would be perfect if you followed up this video with a key switch buyer's guide based on desired feel or the supposed keyboard's purpose and what it's meant to be used for (typing/gaming/both/etc). Also, loved the video's presentation, easy to follow and lots of examples for a clean understanding. *SOLID 5/7* keep it up!
Cherry needs to step up their game. They been stagnant for a while and gateron/kailh making moves. 😂
It's a bit too late though. Everyone is already innovating for a while when Cherry was sleeping.
@@0name933 Ah yes, enslaved Cherry.
Just how many Turtle-Hare races in tech hardware industry we will see this decade.
samlee458 why would they need to they have 90 percent of the market on their pocket
@@themaincheese5897 Intel also had a similar thought process 5 years ago.
@@ryuuseiboi950 oof
Slightly scratchy? SLIGHTLY?
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The Cherry Browns actually are scratchy by design
@@raulsaavedra709 then why would they make them retooled?
@@isak1917 Browns are like reds with an added bump just to provide the very lame "tactility" it's supposed to provide. Some people complain that Cherry Reds are already scratchy on their own. And that bump on the Browns just adds yet more friction. That is what I mean by: "Browns are scratchy by design." Based on sliding on a bump, ideally should be a smooth and frictionless matter, but it is not. Or course exact plastics and materials used (and manufacturing tolerances and lubing and what not) might make a difference, so ymmv
Retooled are less scratchy though not as good as Gaterons
After typing on them for almost a year I gotta say that I prefer the way how Kailh switches feel over Cherry switches.
If you like clicky: even Kailh box white switches are god next to Cherry MX blue.
If you prefer traditional clickjacket clickies, even Outemu Ice Clicks are 100x better than regular MX blues.
@@anasevi9456 putting the box white switches in my ctrl keyboard was the best decision I've made in years.
@@anasevi9456 I went from MX Browns to Kailh Speed Silvers (which I didn't like, felt they were too sensitive) to Kailh Box Royals, which I'm typing on right now, and these are the most gloriously tactile switches I've ever typed on. Easily the best decision I made since getting into keyboards.
I used Mx blue daily for two years, then hanwired a Planck with kailh heavy yellow, then got a kailh tester and I loved the clickbar but I still used the kailh sage I had to build my Dactyl Manuform. Said that... my XD75 is going to have kailh box pink :)
I replaced my ducky with cherry red with a gmmk compact so I could smack a bunch of different switches on them. Love Kailh box reds right now.
The irony is that if you look at vintage stuff Cherry MX was...pretty mediocre compared to its contemporaries. But then rubber domes started to take over and most keyboard manufacturers started to focus on low cost more than anything. Therefore most switch manufacturers just abandoned the market entirely. They didn't see much room for profit. Cherry was about the only mechanical keyswitch maker to keep at it and they deserve some credit for that. Then when there was a big revival in interest in mechanical keyboards (larger due to the gaming market) Cherry became the de facto choice because they were the only people still making mechanical key switches in large quantities.
Honestly I've never liked Cherry switches. I mostly stuck to vintage boards until Kailh started doing some interesting stuff int he MX-compatible world. There are some other decent switches as well, like Zeal's stuff. But personally I actively avoid 'genuine Cherry' switches.
This reminds me of alps switches
@@dreadlock17 Imagine what would happen if Alps Electric didn't leave the market.
Vintage blacks are the only cherry switches worth getting
Are MX type switches the best?
Look IBM Buckling Springs, Topre switch, Alps SKCL/M series and Plate springs, Fujitsu Leaf Spring, you will find the answer by yourself.
Anyway, the MX type switches have the merit of being starters for everyone who wants a mechanical keyboard without chasing old keybs like the Dell AT101, SGI Granite, IBM Model M, ecc.
P.S: MX mount today is a must for using MX keycaps, since most artisan and high profile keycaps are MX mount
too bad all of the old stuff isn't manufactured anymore
@N. Tilton **stares in Hall Effect**
@@CharlesHydronium Topre switches and keyboard are still made, look at RealForce, HHKB, Leopold capacitive.
Unicomp makes IBM Model M (membrane buckling spring) reissues that work over USB.
It would be nice to see again Alps SKCM/L serie (Matias switches are clones of simplified Alps SKBM), Plate spring switches, capacitive buckling springs and Fujitsu leaf spring switches (both linear and clicky), and IBM beam springs too (maybe an updated version that allows faster typing).
Also vintage high profile keycaps like HiPro, Fujitsu, IBM beam springs, Honeywell, KeyTronic are damn cool IMO.
@N. Tilton There is the APT Hall Effect, but Input Club is developing a new hall effect switch called SILO, and it's MX compatible, hot swappable, and the clicky version is beam spring
@@CharlesHydronium Unicomp in Lexington Kentucky still makes model M's
I just switched from Cherry MX Browns after 6 years (my first mech) to Kailh Plum/Purple (my first custom build) which are also tactile but heavier and man do they feel good (lubed of course). So I can confirm what you said at around 4:00
I've always worship cherry mx browns but after researching on my own about building keyboards, testing key switches, my life is forever changed and now I'm sticking with my gateron aliaz.
ugh god, I remember buying a Corsair Browns thinking, "oh wow these feel nice", I got a Topre board with modded BKE domes a few years later, and have been using that ever since. I recently had to use my Corsair for a little bit while I wait for an extra stabilizer I broke while working on my main board and god dam do MX browns feel as dry and scratchy as my ass in the desert
agreed. I see so many people write off keyboards because they don't have cherry switches. my favorite switches are the varmilo rose switches and zeal tealios.
18266609 if you like tealios you should try black gateron inks. cheaper and imo better. you can also change the spring weight to get them closer to tealios
@@ghhlx9863 yeah ive heard good things about them. would def like to give them a try. thanks for the suggestion.
Cherry MX brown are simultaneously the most popular switch and also the worst cherry mx switch. It doesn't have enough tactility.
Regardless, I now use Kailh thick click switches. Jades are my favorite. I have already dumped cherry tactile switches, but I do love my keyboard with zealeos switches.
Browns lack tactility so much that some better rubber domes are better in that regard, especially Topre and BTC.
tactile... more like, scratchy linears xddddddd
I like the sound of Kailh Box Navy and the weighting of Jade. My favorite switch is White Alps. I've never tried blues but would love to. I dislike Cherry blue, and if I must use a Cherry switch, I prefer black.
gg browns
Which company has the most value tactile switch? Im looking to switch from cherry mx brown
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I think something similar to this happens a lot in the tech world. When it comes to audio, people seem to like beats, bose, skullcandy etc. But these brands are no different from Corsair, Razer or other gaming brands in the keyboard world. There are much better stuff for the price like stuff from Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, Monoprice etc.
Cherry does make some pretty good switches. Their linears aren't all that bad although I think Gateron and Kailh pretty much caught up. MX Clears are actually a very unique switch and they are also pretty tactile. Retooled MX Blues are actually very tactile. Much more tactile than their older MX Blue variants. However most of their switches always have a better, and possibly cheaper alternative. Blues, albeit being pretty tactile, rattle like hell. Kailh clickbar switches beat them out.
Stock MX Blacks are just too heavy for their own good and mx reds too light. They are also scratchy stock. Gateron linears and kailh cream switches are smoother.
MX Clears are great switches but Zealios exist and I would say MOD switches are also better than MX Clears.
Their browns are just sad imo. There is pretty much no reason for anyone to get Cherry MX Browns over Gateron Brown or Kailh BOX Brown unless they are using vintage browns.
It's all a matter of perspective, as most people will consider cherry switches to be an upgrade from their non mechanical keyboards but considering how better value switches already exist, Cherry MX will probably slowly fade away from the competition as time goes by. Just like how people seem to think Beats are amazing headphones because of course, they will sound better than the $5 earbuds they generally tend to use. But for the price, there will be better options than the most popular stuff.
In the end, it is a win for the consumers as they will get better, and cheaper products due to the competition. I am hoping Cherry actually innovates something big and bring something incredible to the table, just like what Input club is doing with their Silo switches. The low profile switches are pretty unique, but they aren't remarkable and I would consider them to be already outclassed by the kailh low profile switches.
At some point, more and more switches from Kailh and Gateron will catch up to the general public and will be the norm.
On the other hand, there are even more premium switches like Alps and Buckling spring which are even better than the best MX based switches. However I wouldn't really blame people for not knowing much about these older switches. At this point comparing Cherry & its clones to Alps/IBM switches is the equivalent of comparing something like $200 audiophile headphones vs $2000 audiophile headphones.
i think bose is a different story though with the noise cancelling headphones, their speakers are definitely not bad but i agree for the price you can get better, but man the bose qc is really comfortable
@@mathewchen3847 The Bose qc is a standout, and maybe their soundlink mini 2. But most of their other stuff is overpriced and not worth it tbh.
What would you say is a great clicky switch for about the same price point as the blues? It really sucks to live somewhere without any real physical access to mechanical keyboards and having to buy stuff only based on hearsay--
Maheep Singh kailh box jade/navy is amazing, theyre they have like the perfect click imo, theyre €0.02 more expensive than cherry mx per piece on kbdfans but more than worth it
@@maheepsingh3612 Any of the Kailh BOX clicky switches. The Jades and Navies will wow you but they can be very harsh. They are the most tactile switch in the market right now.
The other switches like White and Pale Blue are also great. Very smooth and crisp. In my personal opinion, BOX Pale Blues are the best gaming switch.
Using Outemu brown right now and I'm happy with it.
VNPlayer are they scratchy?
@@rockywolf729 Yeah, they're scratchy af. Had some in my Magicforce 68 before resoldering.
@@rockywolf729 yeah just slightly more scratchy than cherry
I have Outemu blues and they are as smooth as butter. Havent tried Outemu browns though but have been pondering about them.
I was the same before, I thought that Cherry was the highest quality possible. But now, I've realised that there are other varieties of switches that are good and might even be a better alternative. Currently in pursuit of Zilents or Aliaz switches
I just got my first mech after years of cheap Woolworths keyboards, lol
I got another cheap one but it's got outemu reds and I love it ;) $65 aud from Kogan.
Just found your channel while researching on mechanical keyboard, and see that you play insurgency sand storm, i just sub instantly. Apart from that great content!
Are we just going to ignore how excited he got when he saw the keyboard in game?
This is a very helpful video for people who are interested in buying a mechanical keyboard
Was just about to order Mx browns, gonna go for either zelio or zilents now instead :)
Have gateron silent browns which are alright but preferred Mx browns as they are more tactile, perhaps zilents will be perfect!
Thanks for a great channel!
did you just say that mx browns feel tactile
everyone knows the browns are not tactile, they are clearly linear you uncultured swine!
(this is a joke, don't kill me.)
Building a keyboard with box whites. Super excited!
Everytime I watch your gameplay footage, it takes me back to the year 2010 or before that. Not only the games but also your monitor. Idk maybe it's just me. Great vid tho really appreciate and like it.
Do you know what game he is playing?
@@pixelpower6781 I'm late but that looks like insurgency
@@daykeyy cool
Absolutely agree. I didnt even consider other key switch brands until i was messing with some mechs at BestBuy and stumbled onto the g815 with the Khail choc clicky switches and side by side they felt far and away better than anything else on display in the store
still happy with Cherry MX brown for daily
Gateron browns are so much better you gotta try some sometime
For the linear switching I 100% agree on the tactile not so much the offerings are too expensive add to them import fees and taxes and shipping. Also I would love a milky mx clear. I have the T1 switch but prefer the feel of milky housings
I used cherry browns with my first keyboard, moved to box jades, I really don't need to say which was better
There's not even a question here.
When i was first interested in mechanical keyboards i was thought cherry mx was the best switches bcz how pricey they are
When I was new I thought cherry were the best switches because Linus said so
i like cherry blues and in general i tend to enjoy clicky switches the most but not always if that makes sense. like when i want a clicky switch nothing can compare but i can also find them annoying. that being said my favorite and daily driver switch that i really love and never get sick of is cherry brown. i’ve used a couple of other “brown equivalents” but cherry brows are just the best to me
Filco here with Cherry Browns.
Love it.
I bought the Ergodox EZ with Kaihl Gold switches. They are by Far my most favorite clicky switches. Overall my 2 favorite switches are the Kaihl Gold and Cherry MX Clears
How heavy are those?
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer They're heavier than MX Blues if you've used those. They're in between Blues and Greens. I like heavier switches. They're rated at 60gf, which is 5 less than MX Clears. Though I would say with the clicky they feel equally as heavy as MX Clears to what I can tell. Though there's something about how tactile the Gold's are compared to MX Blues that gives me better feedback when I'm typing
Holy pandas, Zealios V2s, zilents, black gateron inks are all the community wants now
Also some kailh options
also novelkeys cream
All about the stabilizers and keycaps. Just picked up a Durgod 320L, great solid board. I’m used to MacBooks for work, so a Cherry MX Silver Speed switch is perfect for my hands... for heavy hands stay go Brown or Red
I'm absolutely fine with my Outemu blue switches. 🙂
Reddragon k552 gang
Same, they are better then cherry mx blues
But cherry mx blues have longer life
Fantastic video, this is something I have been looking for.
I've never had MX Switches fail but I've had the offbrand switches fail. But now I don't use those switches since I have my buckling spring.
Pokemon5475 I use membrane as they’re cheap and I want high FPS, plus the mouse is more important for me
Nitro-A what does FPS have to do with the keyboard
Nitro-A They’re cheap, but what do membrane keyboards have to do with your mouse or FPS?
@@timothymorgan7932 Maybe he use ps/2 keyboard?
Vintage Linear Cherry MX switches are soooo much smoother than anything I've tried. Modern ones feel like sandpaper in comparison. They also feel a lot tighter/less wiggly.
I have kailh silver speeds and I couldn't imagine anything better
Wow my man uses Opera and plays Insurgency. A man of culture for sure
I'm very happy with the buckling springs on my Unicomp Model M; though I'm getting more and more curious about other types of switches, as I'm intrigued by the possibility of building a mechanical keyboard from the ground up. The Unicomp is great - but I'd really like to try something that felt a little sturdier.
great, but might blow your ears xd
Personally my favorite switches are the Kailh Box switches. I have a GMMK TKL with Kailh Box Navies in it and it feels amazing
Kailh Box Jade's are my favorite that I've found so far. Cherry's don't feel good to me anymore.
I'm glad to hear gateron yellows get a shout-out great switch
TLDW: No
More like "Not always"...
more like "no", the only thing Cherry does better is linears and even then, everyone else is closing the gap fast
@@travdump209 Hmm not sure about even that, my Kailh Silvers that I put into my Race 3 are noticeably smoother and better weighted compared to the Cherry MX Silvers that were in there previously.
@@travdump209 Sometimes MX Blacks are better, but most of the time reds are very scratchy compared to everyone else. especially gateron and kailh for linears.
@@travdump209 The only good thing Cherry made is Vintage Blacks, period
i use optemu blues, i like them, they are pretty clicky and tactile, i want to try gateron brown next maybe kailh box brown if i can afford it
@Vincent Schley too bad i bought a board with outemu browns
Great video mate!
One thing that's turned out to be a major criteria for me in key switch is wobble
Gaterons are smooth but seem to have a bit more wobble than cherry.
Personally Kailh box switches seem superior to me in comparison with the competitors in their range and quality, sound, feel etc and very little wobble.
e.g Kailh box navy thick clicks are the best clicky switch Ive tried. And their burnt orange heavy is a great tactile switch. Yet to try their Jade which I think is even more tactile but have read it's a bit too tactile.
i actually really like the jade tactility but unless youre trying not to, you will bottom out on every stroke
The wobble is not very noticeable, certainly less noticeable than Cherry's scratchiness
I personally love the MX Blues, but recently I tried the Razer Greens and MX Blues side to side and realized, that the Greens (imo) are alot better.
@VaalDePro7 what the fuck
On the difficulty of trying out the alternatives, hot swappable boards make this a lot easier for someone who doesn't want to build a custom keyboard. Someone could buy a GMMK for example without the switches, then buy clone switches separately for a decent price. I've tried out 4 clone switches this way and only just built my first custom.
GMMK, GK61, GK64 are great examples for hotswappable pre-builds
Yes! That is true. There's more and more hotswappable keyboards coming out now (Kailh sockets), which definitely makes it easier in trying different keyswitches.
I used Cherry MX blues for a couple of years and now I got Kailh box Whites, the difference is night and day. It feels SO MUCH better for me.
When I got into mech kb that damn Google search ""tricked"" me into thinking those scratchy Cherries were the best overall. I'm so pissed now lol
@@Sapphire200 i get to try mx blue brown and red and all of them felt worse that the ordinary laptop built in keyboards. I used to called that nasty feeling i get from those mx switches mushy, now i think its called scratchy? they all felt like having dust under those caps, and the "dust" is giving some kind of uniform friction when i press/release/the key pressed down completely.
If I HAVE to buy a commercial non custom keyboard, I’m only picking a non cherry switch. I’d pick box whites for clicks, Gateron brown for tactile, and gateron black for linears. Tbh the only mx switch I still like are cherry mx clear and black switches
I prefer other switches on custom boards but I feel like these are becoming more common nowadays, and can easily be found on things like the Anne pro, varmillo boards, ducky boards, etc
which ones would you use for custom boards for each catagory?
mathew chen For me:
Clicky: Kailh box white, box pale blue or box navy (lightest, medium, heavy). They have a difference in how heavy they feel, and a slightly different click mechanism
Tactile: zealpc zealios v2 67g, Kailh speed copper if you want something light with a satisfying bump and a short travel distance (great for light Typing and for gaming/spamming a single key)
Linear: gateron inks are my favorites hands down. Zealpc Tealios are really great. Gateron yellows are really smooth and are a little heavier than a gateron red/cherry red.
Remember it’s all preference.
I find I like a noticeable tactile feedback, which is why I liked clicky switches most at first, and what got me interested in zealios and holy panda switches. And recently I’ve been liking linears because of how smooth they feel. And I bottom out a lot and it like simulates some form of tactility for me.
A lot of people like to bash Cherry now a days, which I think is uncalled for. Granted they may not be the best value anymore, but they are the OG that set the standard for many years. They deserve some respect.
I really like the razer purple switch...
Yeah me too, it's my favourite
Your channel has inspired me to build my first fully custom mechanical board!
Best of luck!
Gateron Yellows
classic
I find typing with a heavy, tactile switch more accurate. I also like click and clack, so I'm pretty fond of my vortex pok3r with cherry mx greens. But if I knew of a better switch for my tastes then I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try.
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I had 3 kailh switch keyboard break on me but I had zero issues with Cherry MX. It's pretty hard for me to not be biased especially after these experiences....
Corrosion was the reason for all 3 kailh keyboards breaking. I had double and triple actuation on multiple keys.
Also these keyboards broke after less than 11 or 12 months of use at best.
Anyways, great video!
Mod-M tactile switches all day long
No, bad
I've been using the silver (speeds) for two years and at first I thought it didn't make much of a difference to actuate at 1.5mm vs 2mm. Now, I can actually tell the difference whenever I use my brother's reds.
Hey! Im looking forward to buying the ducky one 2 mini, im gonna be gaming, and using google and yt, will I have any trouble when typing if I buy the silver switches??? Some people say that silver switches are very bad when it comes to typing
@@joelfalco8735 they'll be a learning curve but you'll adjust and you'll probably become more accurate since it requires a lighter touch to actuate the keys.
@@yoitsmegabe tysm :)
Are cherry mx switches the Best? No. But are those prebuilt keyboards that use cherry mx switches better in build quality? Yes.
Cherry still have the best manufacturing tolerances, consistency and quality control - where they fall down is options and range. Each switch is basically the "generic" in each switch type.
They definitely deserve criticism for failing to innovate on design or offer as diverse a range as competitors but if I had to have just one keyboard, I would go for a cherry switch 100% of the time.
I'm a huge fan of cherry switches especially reds. I've been using it for so long, but after trying gateron clears, I don't think I can ever go back. Now when ever I go back to other key switches, I feel like I have to push extra hard to just press the switch.
Red cherries alrdy have a very light key press actuation force, it took me quite a while to not press keys while resting.
I was of those who had a bad idea for competitors switches. Because of that video I’m actually reconsidering.
I enjoy my gateron browns and clears
Is there a heavy difference in actuation force
@@jessebremner4206 I believe the browns are 45g and the clears are 30g. I mixed in the clears for the keys I use for gaming
you right i use to use mx a lot. My last keyboard was brown cerry mx ducky one 2 mini and then i just got the razer hunstman te red switches and damn i straight put my ducky at the back of my drawer.
Clicky cherry switches drive me insane!!!!
For keyboards, theres the mass drop alt or glorious modular keyboards for general users. I recommend Glorious. Can just use whatever you feel like whenever. You can do fun things like having certain switches on wasd shift space etc for gaming while having other switches on every other key. Could just solder switches in any other board but these keyboards make it super simple.
I tried the 3 popular cherry sưitches: red, blue, brown
All sounds very scratchy, and the bumb on brown is too weak to be tactile
It is barely tactile yes.. Some Kailh Box switches are very tactile though. Like Royals.
@@Niels_f2704 to me it seems even Kailh Brown is more tactile than Cherry Brown
I’ve gone down the rabbit hole big time over the last year. That year of burning money taught me two things... first is Topre. Second is lubed Gateron Yellows. You’re welcome.
Gaterons are better Cherries and there are much better, non-Cherry MX switches out there...
I've seen people complain about Gateron being more wobbly than Cherry, and I can confirm this. Gateron switches make the stems a bit smaller to be smoother, but it results in more space for the stem to shake in the housing, aka wobble.
@Drop the Chalupa! Being better Cherry switches is not hard. Pretty much all the clones are better.
I actually had the opposite experience then like everyone i guess, I had a gateron keyboard that felt so scratchy I refunded and now have very smooth feeling cherry switches
@@soxic-y8e I haven't tried gaterons. I have a keyboard with outemo blue switches. I also have one with cheryl max red, 2 with cherry ML and a IBM model F with buckling spring switches.
How’s the wobbling for gateron?
I like Cherry MX Blue but Romer G switches are my favorite.
ALPS AND HALL EFFECT.
there you go.
This was super informative and very much appreciated. Thank you !
I prefer outemu blues over cherry blues
I hope more prebuilt keyboards in the future will have kalih switches because I like the feeling of them better than Cherry MX
Insurgency? I see you are man of culture as well :)
I never understood why insurgency isn't as popular as other shooter games. It's a really great game.
I genuinely love my Outemu Blues for their feel, but goddamn they are literally the reason I change *every* program with voice chat to PTT. I feel bad for anyone who has to share an apartment with someone with these switches.
Gateron Inks :)
Outemu switches are VERY unreliable, they break a lot, doubletap etc.
Iv’e been using cherry mx brown since the blackwidow ultimate 2013 came out I use that keyboard for about 8years still good today. Just switched to ducky mecha mini with cherry mx browns also.
*giggles in Kailh BOX White*
Cherry MX Nature White are in between the Red and Black variants, for those who want a cool linear switch. They were exclusive to Ducky Channel keyboards, dunno how that ends.
"synomynous"
I sold off my Cherry MX Blue board after trying out Kailh Box Whites. So much smoother and cleaner. Currently tried Gateron Yellows, Kailh Speed Silver, and many more to come! Cherry is just boring as hell to me right now.
No. Cherry MX isn't the best (in my opinion). It has a place, for instance: MX blacks are workhorses. They work wonderfully in industrial situations.
MX mount switches are great because they're easy to build up and customize. You can get good caps for reasonable prices. There are a lot of options, in terms of how loud or tactile your 'board needs to be. Outemu switches are fine. A little stiffer, color for color, and that makes them feel a bit more tactile. Gaterons are smoother, but it's maybe a 10% difference. All the MX switches get dominated if you broaden out to include all the other possible switch types. If only inexpensive key caps were easy to acquire for ALPS mount switches...
Still got a membrane keyboard 😅
My friend gave me a bunch of different switches to try out. I thought that for example every red would feel the same but to my surprise no. Not at all. I own a tesoro keyboard with the opti red switches so I'm gonna put that into the feeling comparison too: to my surprise the MX Red is the worst. When I press it down it's heavy compared to the others Maybe it's the build of the switch, it feels like the moving part is always touching the side of the casing and it's making it feel like it's scratching it, slowing it down. Or idk how to explain it. The silent red is the exact same just a bit better feel. The tesoro red is my fav so far, really nice, you can feel that you pushed the buttons but there's no big resistance. And for the smoothest one, the Gateron red. It's insanely smooth, actually too smooth for my liking. It sounds dumb, but I literally "can't feel" this switch. I play osu! and I can't play with the Gateron reds because I never know if I pressed the button enough or what. Really weird. The other thing that blew my mind was The MX Speed. I was like haha oke shorter actuation and bottom out cool but that won't make a big difference. But it actually does. And it's really big but to be fair you only gonna notice it if you play rhythm games or something where you need to faceroll on the keyboard real fast. In other cases I don't think it's worth it, especially if you're used to normal switches. The sorter bottom out is hecking weird, feels like I'm gonna break my finger because I want to press it deeper but it's already bottomed out.
*N O*
That's pretty much the only good switch, also the vintage and the exclusive version of the black switch in a keyboard (that one that have the milky casing).
@@bbrr12 nixies
@@mmd90 That one, from* nixdorf i think
@@feels5460 ink blacks are so much better than retolled/vintage blacks.
This is interesting, I had known that these mechanical keyboards are knowing as costly price keyboard (with mx cherry switches) but lately there are comes in cheap price too. I will try to focused on what type of switches they bring into these cheaper mechanical keyboard.
No they aren't. They are just made with good q&a. However their main disadvantage that they are having not very nice feel. And that's big disadvantage.
For instance:
I bought anne pro 2 with gateron reds and one key is acting weirdly so I will replace it. But men the feel is so good that I am going to try resolder the switch XD When I bought mx speed ones they worked perfectly out of the bix. But outemu also worked perfectly out of the box XD but yeah : Cherry mx just has good Q&A
bla bla bla marketing bullcrap bla bla bla
I used to use cherry mx blues but I got pulled in hard when I recently got gateron reds.. the switches are buttery smooth and typing is bliss on those..
I can list a bunch off the top of my head.
Kailh box
Razer
Massdrop
Zeal PC
Gateron Ink
I do like cherry switches, but the ones I listed are just leagues better
razer and massdrop lmfao
Razer memes. Someone needs to watch a Chryosran22 video...
Razer?? What are you on buddy?
Razer LULW
Massdrop is kaihua which is also kaihl. Razer is alright if you want to talk their Optomechanical switch (god they could do without that sharp ugly click though). Libra LK I would dare also mention.
I honestly prefer Gateron over Cherry. I have used the Gateron Optical Browns and the normal ones, and right now the normal Gateron Browns feel great to me.
"Are Cherry MX Keyswitches Really the Best?"
Well...I mean...they're not the WORST...
Fr, people like Outemu more sometimes, and my experience with their blues were pretty bad. Luckily I had a cheap hotswap prebuilt, so the many switches that failed were easily replaced. Definitely like Kailh boxes better though. Would like to buy a bunch of gaterons once I'm bored to try them out.
@@victorl5402
My personal top 2 at this point are Kailh Box Whites and Zilent V2 78g's!
Looking at romer-g switches
i never tried Kailh personally but what i found on some computer shops in place nearby me, they feel almost the same. but the best smooth i tried so far is Gateron. but i never own any gaterons.
in the end, they are still mechanical and we still get the feel of them.
Never tried linear kailh, but the clicky ones are way better than Cherry/Outemu IMO