I looked it up and apparently they sold his drafts rights for $125,000, which they used to pay for the summer league. Then they used the leftover money to buy a copier
What was the Copy Machine's stat line? What was it's CPM(copies per minute)? What was it's WARP(wins above replacement photocopier)? Could've been a good machine with solid sabermetrics.
I listened to Tommy Heinsohn speak at the Basketball Hall of Fame once and he claimed that it is not totally true that Russell made an "immediate" impact on the Celtics, Russell came off the bench most of the season, only played 48 of 82 games, but did become the starter by the time the Playoffs rolled around, at which point he was starting to dominate in the rebounding category. Tommy Heinsohn claimed that Russell was so dominant on the defensive and rebounding end, that many of the Centers in the league who had been the leagues best players before Russell was drafted, ended up retiring early because they could not compete with Russell (and then Chamberlain) Russell was a great piece to the 1957 Celtics, but the real stars on that team were still Bob Cousy and Bill Sharman, and their other rookie, none other than Tom Heinsohn, was the true star of the '57 NBA Finals.
It’s because penny hardaway and Shaq starred in a basketball film called Blue Chips, which was made before penny was drafted, and Shaq convinced the magic to trade down for Webber and draft penny instead
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Chris Webber basically missed most of 1994-1996 with injury. He didn't become an All-Star until 1997. Chris also had a lot of run ins with the police back in those days and got pushed out of Washington on a marijuana arrest. At the time Orlando definitely had the better player.
Holy crap, I had no idea Tractor Traylor died in 2011! I'm from Ann Arbor so I watched him play at U of M in college during those post Fab Five years. That's really sad, very young guy...
Funny thing there. The Sonics had a chance to reacquire Pippen in 1994. Jordan had retired the first time and it wasn't clear whether he would return to basketball, so the Bulls tried trading Pippen for Shawn Kemp and something. Seattle wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade, so it never happened.
That hypothetical Sonics roster was not possible. - Pippen was drafted years BEFORE Payton and Kemp - Pippen would've improved their record and so the Sonics would no longer have a high enough picks to draft Payton and Kemp - Schrempf also plays SF so the Sonics wouldn't have tried to get him
1mfilms I agree with this statement, but its still fun to dream. Hypothetically if the Sonics did manage to keep Pippen that 1996 team would of been amazing. Also those 1980's Sonics teams before Payton and all those guys were so bad, im not sure Pippen alone would of had that dramatic of an effect on their record season by season. How did the Bulls do with Pippen once MJ left?
It's always nice to imagine "What If" scenarios for teams, especially with Seattle, and having Pippen, Payton & Kemp. But, having Pippen in '87 means the team would have better the years u need to draft Kemp & Payton, so that wouldn't have happened.
That team would of been a defensive juggernaut. Imagine that two of the all time greatest wing defenders on the same team (not only in the league at the time i mean EVER) but like you said it probably wouldn't have happened. I mean maybe if MJ didn't come back in 1995 the bulls were looking to trade Scottie anyway maybe they would of traded him or he could of signed with the Sonics or something.
the scottie pippen one is flawed because the sonics wouldn't have gotten such a high draft pick for gary payton due to scottie making their record better.
That's true, they definitely wouldn't have gotten Payton, but the main thing is that the Bulls wouldn't be the dynasty they were if they never pulled the trigger on the Polynice-Pippen trade
Who knows if pippen turns out to be the player he is today if the sonics kept him. Remember pippen didn't make a huge impact until the year the Bulls won their first ring
Concerning Scottie Pippen, do you really think he would have turned into the same all-star we know if he played in Seattle? I believe Scottie did have the talent but it was playing with Jordan day in and day out that brought out his true potential. Looking at Seattle's 1987-88 roster I do not see anyone near Jordan's level who would have helped Pippen develop so I believe he might have eventually made the all star team but it would have been much later like around 1993-94.
Weirdly, it may have led to a more interesting league, with the Bulls not as dominant. Perhaps they encourage Kukoc to leave Europe sooner with no Pippen. There is no 'sit down' in the playoffs. Payton and Pippen in the Finals against the Bulls is intriguing. Just Pippen defending Jordan in their primes is fascinating in theory.
True definition of loyalty Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant both playing on one team for 20 years and dirt always take a pay cut for the Mavericks that's why I love them and him so much go Mavs go
Michael Dougall if you love Dirk please change your typo calling him “dirt” xD Anyway its a good year for the Mavs . They have Porzingis and Doncic plus a lot of cap space. Dirk will retire a happy man passing on the reigns to those two.
He probably still wins one or two. Took them to the conference finals before Pippen was an all nba defender. Without as much success Jordan likely would not have retired in 93 either.
Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant trade were 2 of the most iconic NBA trades ever in my opinion both of them had tremendous impact on the NBA as we know it today and Dirk still playing go Mavs go
Imagine if Scottie got traded back to Seattle in 1994. That would have definitely cost the Bull's their second three peat and with Scottie and GP the Sonics might have gotten a ring. It was Scottie for Kemp trade and MJ would have nit blocked it because he wasn't in the league
Bill Russell retired after 13 seasons in the nba with 11 nba championships I mean damn, when u got more championship rings than u got fingers to put em on then u are the definition of greatness
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Admittedly I know very little about Joe Barry Carroll but after you mentioned his talent but him just lacking desire I wonder how he would've fit if he ended up staying with the Celtics. I mean if he can average 21ppg when he doesn't care, how good would he be when he actually gave a shit playing with somebody like Larry Bird and the Celtics organization?
Damn, Celtics in '80 held the #1 and #13 pick after winning 60+ games!!! Can you imagine the Warriors or the Blazers or Raptors or whoever having those picks this year and getting Zion plus another lottery pick?! Or pulling off a trade like the Celtics ended up doing?
This explains the Hornets in a nutshell. Best player they ever drafted was a guy they didn't want to draft. Maybe they need to adopt George's philosophy from Seinfeld and do the opposite of what they think they should do.
The dirk Nowitzki trade was actually already planned for by the mavs and bucks as the mavs really wanted dirk but didn’t want to upset fans with him so high up in the picks, so they made a deal with the bucks that made them pick dirk much lower and they would get the bucks man higher and sooner.
Nobody but Jerry West predicted that he should be that great. Jerry admittedly told the agent to spread those rumors and offered every team from 1-13 the same offer the Hornets got. Not for Vlade but for anybody on the roster to draft and trade Kobe
Back in the day, the coin flip was a bigger, uh,... toss up. The coin flip determined where Patrick and Hakeem got drafted. Tractor Trailer reminds me of a super fat 6'8" center named Dimitri or The Meat Hook. Meat hook was unstoppable in college but didn't make a pro team.
Anyone who was a big hoops fan in the 90s will never forget how trash the Mavs we're back then. I remember when they started getting good in the early 2000s, making the playoffs and getting played on TV and thinking to myself, "wow, I can't believe they put out that dumpster fire". They had there super dysfunctional Big Three but that was about it; I remember being mad Kidd split the ROY with Grant Hill as I was and still am a Pistons fan.
Argg! You mean to tell me that the Rochester Royals could have had Bill Russell? Too bad, because something like that could have kept them in Western New York longer instead of moving across the country and end up in, of all places, Sacramento.
Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that on the day of the 2003 draft, the Nets traded Kyle Korver to the Sixers for a Copy Machine
I looked it up and apparently they sold his drafts rights for $125,000, which they used to pay for the summer league. Then they used the leftover money to buy a copier
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Anthony Bennett was selected with the first pick in the 2013 nba draft
What was the Copy Machine's stat line? What was it's CPM(copies per minute)? What was it's WARP(wins above replacement photocopier)? Could've been a good machine with solid sabermetrics.
Apparently Korver lasted longer in the league than that copy machine lasted. There’s a video somewhere on TH-cam where Korver jokes about it.
@@anthonysanchez6697 Only because Noel got hurt, he was the easy pick for it then, also 70 mill passed up, lol.
lmao red auerbach convinced a team to pass on russell using ice skaters
Ayush Karthick he was a finesse God who took advantage of the racism at the time
four twenty danny ainge is a finesse god too celtics management are deadly
Justin Kim Boston is lucky to have the two greatest finessers in nba history
I listened to Tommy Heinsohn speak at the Basketball Hall of Fame once and he claimed that it is not totally true that Russell made an "immediate" impact on the Celtics, Russell came off the bench most of the season, only played 48 of 82 games, but did become the starter by the time the Playoffs rolled around, at which point he was starting to dominate in the rebounding category. Tommy Heinsohn claimed that Russell was so dominant on the defensive and rebounding end, that many of the Centers in the league who had been the leagues best players before Russell was drafted, ended up retiring early because they could not compete with Russell (and then Chamberlain)
Russell was a great piece to the 1957 Celtics, but the real stars on that team were still Bob Cousy and Bill Sharman, and their other rookie, none other than Tom Heinsohn, was the true star of the '57 NBA Finals.
@@fourtwenty1813 gimme some of that "bis old man...I need a LB lol
Chris Webber for penny hardaway, I love the magic and penny but I would have loved to see Chris Webber and Shaq destroy people in the paint together
Chippewa Guy Shaq told the team to get Penny because he didn't wanna play with Webber
Chris Webber would have at least made it to a finals
Muve On The Move. True but the Magic needed a point gaurd so they traded for penny
It’s because penny hardaway and Shaq starred in a basketball film called Blue Chips, which was made before penny was drafted, and Shaq convinced the magic to trade down for Webber and draft penny instead
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Chris Webber basically missed most of 1994-1996 with injury. He didn't become an All-Star until 1997. Chris also had a lot of run ins with the police back in those days and got pushed out of Washington on a marijuana arrest. At the time Orlando definitely had the better player.
Holy crap, I had no idea Tractor Traylor died in 2011! I'm from Ann Arbor so I watched him play at U of M in college during those post Fab Five years. That's really sad, very young guy...
You don't actually care if you're still making fun of a dead man for his weight
@@legend._ How was my post making fun of his weight?
@@Jon.A.Scholt don't call him tractor traylor if you really care 💀
If scottie wasn't traded, Seattle might still have a basketball team 😣😫💔
that baller kobe are you a thunder fan
Funny thing there. The Sonics had a chance to reacquire Pippen in 1994. Jordan had retired the first time and it wasn't clear whether he would return to basketball, so the Bulls tried trading Pippen for Shawn Kemp and something. Seattle wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade, so it never happened.
@@75aces97 its best neither team made that trade
that baller kobe no because they still changed to OKC after KD was in there
And mj Is Still In The First Round
That hypothetical Sonics roster was not possible.
- Pippen was drafted years BEFORE Payton and Kemp
- Pippen would've improved their record and so the Sonics would no longer have a high enough picks to draft Payton and Kemp
- Schrempf also plays SF so the Sonics wouldn't have tried to get him
1mfilms
I agree with this statement, but its still fun to dream. Hypothetically if the Sonics did manage to keep Pippen that 1996 team would of been amazing.
Also those 1980's Sonics teams before Payton and all those guys were so bad, im not sure Pippen alone would of had that dramatic of an effect on their record season by season.
How did the Bulls do with Pippen once MJ left?
Ella T Grasso, they lost in the second round, and then they were .500 the next year before Jordan came back
They could have just put Scottie at PF then get Shrempf
Absolutely, butterfly effect changes everything. Also, Xavier McDaniel was a great player when Pippen was drafted, so no need for Pippen.
Mr Orange but what if they didn’t
It's not a trade but the trailblazers probably screwed themselves out of 5 rings by not drafting Durant or Jordan.
@Channel Channel No Dame if everyone stays healthy and they get KD. If fate hadn't been cruel to them they would already have a handful from this era
Channel Channel a fully healthy 2010 Portland Trail Blazers could’ve been the nba champions
Sam Bowie was better in Jordan's class,probably would've been on of the best ever if he wast so injury prone early on
They already had Drexler at the 2
They would have career ending injuries
It's always nice to imagine "What If" scenarios for teams, especially with Seattle, and having Pippen, Payton & Kemp. But, having Pippen in '87 means the team would have better the years u need to draft Kemp & Payton, so that wouldn't have happened.
That team would of been a defensive juggernaut. Imagine that two of the all time greatest wing defenders on the same team (not only in the league at the time i mean EVER) but like you said it probably wouldn't have happened. I mean maybe if MJ didn't come back in 1995 the bulls were looking to trade Scottie anyway maybe they would of traded him or he could of signed with the Sonics or something.
Danny Ainge inherited fleecing technique from the god himself LOL
Rip Robert Traylor
the scottie pippen one is flawed because the sonics wouldn't have gotten such a high draft pick for gary payton due to scottie making their record better.
That's true, they definitely wouldn't have gotten Payton, but the main thing is that the Bulls wouldn't be the dynasty they were if they never pulled the trigger on the Polynice-Pippen trade
Andy Hoops well u don’t know bcuz scottie wasn’t that good first couple of years in the nba
Who knows if pippen turns out to be the player he is today if the sonics kept him. Remember pippen didn't make a huge impact until the year the Bulls won their first ring
hmoobmeeka read what you just said
@@hmoobmeeka Scottie was an all-star in 1990, the year before their first championship, his third season in the NBA.
Why can't all NBA fans be as genuine as mah boy Andy? The basketball world would be a better place.
Good one, Andy. Great way to end it up too!
The Celtics have always been savvy with their picks, trades, and signings.
Rip Kobe 😢😪
Damn, R.I.P. kobe 😔
Concerning Scottie Pippen, do you really think he would have turned into the same all-star we know if he played in Seattle? I believe Scottie did have the talent but it was playing with Jordan day in and day out that brought out his true potential.
Looking at Seattle's 1987-88 roster I do not see anyone near Jordan's level who would have helped Pippen develop so I believe he might have eventually made the all star team but it would have been much later like around 1993-94.
This!
Weirdly, it may have led to a more interesting league, with the Bulls not as dominant. Perhaps they encourage Kukoc to leave Europe sooner with no Pippen. There is no 'sit down' in the playoffs. Payton and Pippen in the Finals against the Bulls is intriguing. Just Pippen defending Jordan in their primes is fascinating in theory.
Not only Auerbach was a genius but he broke barriers way before it's recognised today with having Russell's back all the time.
Getting Shawn Marion in that Nash trade via draft made the Nash trade a little less painful.
That Donovan Mitchell trade has potential to be one of the worst NBA Draft Day trades of all time imo.
Celtics front office is just so great eversince. WOW.
Do a career vid about Micheal Finley pls
i feel that, that is never mentioned and he's one of the better 3 and D players of the 00's
Beast
To me red Auerbach is the Vince Lombardi of the Boston Celtics 💚💚
Exited for 10 years from now when luka being traded for trae is on this
You're leaving for 10 years?
@@SpankyDizzleD yea cuz careers can fluctuate and so far both look like great stars. Too bad Trae doesn’t have a supporting cast like Luka does though
great video andy hopps
HAS to feel good to get two hall of famers for Traylor.
Know this is going to be good
True definition of loyalty Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant both playing on one team for 20 years and dirt always take a pay cut for the Mavericks that's why I love them and him so much go Mavs go
Lol, Kobe requested a trade to get off the team & the Lakers tried to swap him for LeBron.
TIM DUNCAN..go SPURS
Bill Russell demanded ATL to not draft him and Magic demanded a trade in 83 but just let that go by
@@chancealexander8359 damn
Michael Dougall if you love Dirk please change your typo calling him “dirt” xD Anyway its a good year for the Mavs . They have Porzingis and Doncic plus a lot of cap space. Dirk will retire a happy man passing on the reigns to those two.
Very interesting video, keep up the good work
Great content as always, keep it up man 👍
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3:40 Or, as he was infamously called, "Joe Barely Cares". 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Olden Polynice had a longer NBA career than Scottie Pippen.
No they both played till 03-04 and Pippen played more games.
Michael Jordan would have never won not one Championship without Scottie Pippen.
Your stupid also
Neither would Scottie without MJ.
iamhungey12345 I think his point is that many say Jordan is the greatest of all time but even the greatest needed another stud in order to win.
He probably still wins one or two. Took them to the conference finals before Pippen was an all nba defender. Without as much success Jordan likely would not have retired in 93 either.
Are you a LeBron fan?
Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant trade were 2 of the most iconic NBA trades ever in my opinion both of them had tremendous impact on the NBA as we know it today and Dirk still playing go Mavs go
Shaq made the Kobe trade great because they were able to sign a superstar no telling how the Lakers who of been had Shaq stayed in Orlando.
@@melvynsngltn27well kobe won to more championships after shaq left and went to 3 finals in a row
@@melvynsngltn27I think kobe made him better
@@jesseboy1961 made him better how?
Shaq left in 2004 so what are you talking about the Lakers didn't win again until 2009 with a far superior team than any of the teams with Shaq
You forgot LeBrons hairline for great memes.
6:49 helicopter cam while talking about Kobe 😢
another great vid well done andy (:
keep em coming !!
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If Payton and Pippen get together, no one could survive that.
Defensive guards would be a game changer
Great video.
Great list
can you explain why triple doubles have been so common for the past 2 years
Stalker Bleach stat padding
lmfao was robertson stat padding too
players, athletically now a days (westbrook and Bron) are as good as they've ever been throughout NBA history
Player usage and also pace of game too.
Thuan Tran and 3 pointers mean longer rebounds so smaller players can rack up rebounds more easily
For one player, 2.5 assists = 3
For divac, 3.3 = no mention
RIP Robert Tractor Traylor
nice trades
Saw you in Sporting Logically’s stream
Imagine if Scottie got traded back to Seattle in 1994. That would have definitely cost the Bull's their second three peat and with Scottie and GP the Sonics might have gotten a ring. It was Scottie for Kemp trade and MJ would have nit blocked it because he wasn't in the league
GOAT---> Bill Russel 🐐
You should make a video on how underrated Joe Johnson is
2:45 There we go again!
2:27 lmao that travel
1993: Penny Hardaway to Orlando for Chris Webber to Golden State
Red is the greatest executive in the history of sports
Bill Russell retired after 13 seasons in the nba with 11 nba championships I mean damn, when u got more championship rings than u got fingers to put em on then u are the definition of greatness
So if pippen went to sonics do you think he develop to a player like he is in the bulls? I dont think so.
Do a video on Tiwian Kendley from Morgan state
0:01 Fire Marshall Bill is the NBA commissioner!? Hmmm. Interesting.
Vlade is an underrated player
Rip Robert Taylor
lmao , that image of russell flexing his rings
Hornets could of had Kemp’s and Kobe. That trade definitely should of been #1
And the newest one ATL trading Doncic to Dallas
sk8tillyoudie 83 i was thinking that cause trae young can be a bust and doncic has potential since he played with older men in their mid 20's
@@patrickgarcia3976 Young is looking good, might even win the ROY
Witteny Cineus Donic is winning
@@theartoonnerdologist411 I agree with you, he will win it, and it doesn't even look close as it does in the beginning
That LiAngelo Ball ad before the video made me happy.
Andy it did change the whole hornets future cause the hornets might have had 1 champship! By now also I love your videos keep up the good work!
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NBA LegendZ sure why not also just a tip do nba what ifs i think it would boost up your Channel!
What I learned from this video: Boston has been finessing everyone since they started in the league
Admittedly I know very little about Joe Barry Carroll but after you mentioned his talent but him just lacking desire I wonder how he would've fit if he ended up staying with the Celtics. I mean if he can average 21ppg when he doesn't care, how good would he be when he actually gave a shit playing with somebody like Larry Bird and the Celtics organization?
RIP Kobe
Dominique Wilkins would have been a Laker had James Worthy had not been in the same draft class
My friends name is Lucas schrempf he is 3rd cousins with detlef schrempf, Detlef is from Germany he lives in Seattle Washington right now
i live in seattle
Damn, Celtics in '80 held the #1 and #13 pick after winning 60+ games!!! Can you imagine the Warriors or the Blazers or Raptors or whoever having those picks this year and getting Zion plus another lottery pick?! Or pulling off a trade like the Celtics ended up doing?
This explains the Hornets in a nutshell. Best player they ever drafted was a guy they didn't want to draft. Maybe they need to adopt George's philosophy from Seinfeld and do the opposite of what they think they should do.
Maurice Stokes...you know the story of what happened to him.
The 3 J's were awesome
Can you do the story about jason williams and where is he now
Red was playing chess while most were playing checkers.
Just a question regarding the kevin mchale trade. Why didn't they just draft kevin mchale with the number 1 pick?
2017 Celtics trade down will be one of the greatest in a few years
The dirk Nowitzki trade was actually already planned for by the mavs and bucks as the mavs really wanted dirk but didn’t want to upset fans with him so high up in the picks, so they made a deal with the bucks that made them pick dirk much lower and they would get the bucks man higher and sooner.
Do a video on Magic Johnson's Aids.
russell even said that if he was drafted by the hawks, he wouldn't have played in the nba
The Vince Carter trade on draft night put a whole country as a market for Toronto
Nobody but Jerry West predicted that he should be that great. Jerry admittedly told the agent to spread those rumors and offered every team from 1-13 the same offer the Hornets got. Not for Vlade but for anybody on the roster to draft and trade Kobe
9:18 ur telling me they draft locals like random guys of parks
How about you make a video about the best coaches in the NBA.. I like chuck Daly and Phil Jackson..
Back in the day, the coin flip was a bigger, uh,... toss up. The coin flip determined where Patrick and Hakeem got drafted.
Tractor Trailer reminds me of a super fat 6'8" center named Dimitri or The Meat Hook. Meat hook was unstoppable in college but didn't make a pro team.
The minds behind those Championships red Auerbach jerry west ....Danny ainge
Mavs trade who for Dirk and Nash? 😂
NO IT WAS PAT GARRITY. NOT NASH
I knew both of these already but it just seems crazy and McHale and Pippen only made 7 all star teams each. They are both greats in my book
Bro andy ruthless, called the tractor guy a bust knowing he died wtf☠️
3 years later: it's not too early now to determine whether Tatum is better than Fultz.
There was a reason Joe Barry Carroll was nicknamed "Joe Barely Cares". Auerbach knew that and unloaded the pick to the sucker who made the best deal.
the nuggets traded the Jazz a future dynasty. heard it here first.
Where the Demarcus cousins free agency video at? Or Deandre Jordan
Robert Tractor Traylor 😂 now that’s a quality name
Truck Traylor, more like Travel Traylor.
This will change the NBA Forever. Luka-Trae Trade.
And Possibly Miles Bridges and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
Kawhi Leonard to the Spurs for George hill to the pacers. Worked out pretty good for the Spurs if only for a while
Anyone who was a big hoops fan in the 90s will never forget how trash the Mavs we're back then. I remember when they started getting good in the early 2000s, making the playoffs and getting played on TV and thinking to myself, "wow, I can't believe they put out that dumpster fire". They had there super dysfunctional Big Three but that was about it; I remember being mad Kidd split the ROY with Grant Hill as I was and still am a Pistons fan.
Red playing Chess back in the 50s.....lol...Boston 4 Life
You forgot about Kawhi getting traded to the Spurs
Argg! You mean to tell me that the Rochester Royals could have had Bill Russell? Too bad, because something like that could have kept them in Western New York longer instead of moving across the country and end up in, of all places, Sacramento.