I looked it up and apparently they sold his drafts rights for $125,000, which they used to pay for the summer league. Then they used the leftover money to buy a copier
What was the Copy Machine's stat line? What was it's CPM(copies per minute)? What was it's WARP(wins above replacement photocopier)? Could've been a good machine with solid sabermetrics.
Funny thing there. The Sonics had a chance to reacquire Pippen in 1994. Jordan had retired the first time and it wasn't clear whether he would return to basketball, so the Bulls tried trading Pippen for Shawn Kemp and something. Seattle wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade, so it never happened.
Holy crap, I had no idea Tractor Traylor died in 2011! I'm from Ann Arbor so I watched him play at U of M in college during those post Fab Five years. That's really sad, very young guy...
I listened to Tommy Heinsohn speak at the Basketball Hall of Fame once and he claimed that it is not totally true that Russell made an "immediate" impact on the Celtics, Russell came off the bench most of the season, only played 48 of 82 games, but did become the starter by the time the Playoffs rolled around, at which point he was starting to dominate in the rebounding category. Tommy Heinsohn claimed that Russell was so dominant on the defensive and rebounding end, that many of the Centers in the league who had been the leagues best players before Russell was drafted, ended up retiring early because they could not compete with Russell (and then Chamberlain) Russell was a great piece to the 1957 Celtics, but the real stars on that team were still Bob Cousy and Bill Sharman, and their other rookie, none other than Tom Heinsohn, was the true star of the '57 NBA Finals.
It’s because penny hardaway and Shaq starred in a basketball film called Blue Chips, which was made before penny was drafted, and Shaq convinced the magic to trade down for Webber and draft penny instead
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Chris Webber basically missed most of 1994-1996 with injury. He didn't become an All-Star until 1997. Chris also had a lot of run ins with the police back in those days and got pushed out of Washington on a marijuana arrest. At the time Orlando definitely had the better player.
It's always nice to imagine "What If" scenarios for teams, especially with Seattle, and having Pippen, Payton & Kemp. But, having Pippen in '87 means the team would have better the years u need to draft Kemp & Payton, so that wouldn't have happened.
That team would of been a defensive juggernaut. Imagine that two of the all time greatest wing defenders on the same team (not only in the league at the time i mean EVER) but like you said it probably wouldn't have happened. I mean maybe if MJ didn't come back in 1995 the bulls were looking to trade Scottie anyway maybe they would of traded him or he could of signed with the Sonics or something.
That hypothetical Sonics roster was not possible. - Pippen was drafted years BEFORE Payton and Kemp - Pippen would've improved their record and so the Sonics would no longer have a high enough picks to draft Payton and Kemp - Schrempf also plays SF so the Sonics wouldn't have tried to get him
1mfilms I agree with this statement, but its still fun to dream. Hypothetically if the Sonics did manage to keep Pippen that 1996 team would of been amazing. Also those 1980's Sonics teams before Payton and all those guys were so bad, im not sure Pippen alone would of had that dramatic of an effect on their record season by season. How did the Bulls do with Pippen once MJ left?
Concerning Scottie Pippen, do you really think he would have turned into the same all-star we know if he played in Seattle? I believe Scottie did have the talent but it was playing with Jordan day in and day out that brought out his true potential. Looking at Seattle's 1987-88 roster I do not see anyone near Jordan's level who would have helped Pippen develop so I believe he might have eventually made the all star team but it would have been much later like around 1993-94.
Weirdly, it may have led to a more interesting league, with the Bulls not as dominant. Perhaps they encourage Kukoc to leave Europe sooner with no Pippen. There is no 'sit down' in the playoffs. Payton and Pippen in the Finals against the Bulls is intriguing. Just Pippen defending Jordan in their primes is fascinating in theory.
Imagine if Scottie got traded back to Seattle in 1994. That would have definitely cost the Bull's their second three peat and with Scottie and GP the Sonics might have gotten a ring. It was Scottie for Kemp trade and MJ would have nit blocked it because he wasn't in the league
He probably still wins one or two. Took them to the conference finals before Pippen was an all nba defender. Without as much success Jordan likely would not have retired in 93 either.
Admittedly I know very little about Joe Barry Carroll but after you mentioned his talent but him just lacking desire I wonder how he would've fit if he ended up staying with the Celtics. I mean if he can average 21ppg when he doesn't care, how good would he be when he actually gave a shit playing with somebody like Larry Bird and the Celtics organization?
Back in the day, the coin flip was a bigger, uh,... toss up. The coin flip determined where Patrick and Hakeem got drafted. Tractor Trailer reminds me of a super fat 6'8" center named Dimitri or The Meat Hook. Meat hook was unstoppable in college but didn't make a pro team.
Damn, Celtics in '80 held the #1 and #13 pick after winning 60+ games!!! Can you imagine the Warriors or the Blazers or Raptors or whoever having those picks this year and getting Zion plus another lottery pick?! Or pulling off a trade like the Celtics ended up doing?
Argg! You mean to tell me that the Rochester Royals could have had Bill Russell? Too bad, because something like that could have kept them in Western New York longer instead of moving across the country and end up in, of all places, Sacramento.
The dirk Nowitzki trade was actually already planned for by the mavs and bucks as the mavs really wanted dirk but didn’t want to upset fans with him so high up in the picks, so they made a deal with the bucks that made them pick dirk much lower and they would get the bucks man higher and sooner.
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Anyone who was a big hoops fan in the 90s will never forget how trash the Mavs we're back then. I remember when they started getting good in the early 2000s, making the playoffs and getting played on TV and thinking to myself, "wow, I can't believe they put out that dumpster fire". They had there super dysfunctional Big Three but that was about it; I remember being mad Kidd split the ROY with Grant Hill as I was and still am a Pistons fan.
The Scottie Pippen of Sonics would have been a different Pippen of Bulls. MJ polished Pippen with tough love - that's the reality whether we like it or not...
Nobody but Jerry West predicted that he should be that great. Jerry admittedly told the agent to spread those rumors and offered every team from 1-13 the same offer the Hornets got. Not for Vlade but for anybody on the roster to draft and trade Kobe
Rookie season Deandre Ayton B Marvin Bagley B Luka Doncic A Jaren Jackson Jr. C Trae Young A Mohamed Bamba C Wendell Carter C Collin Sexton B Kevin Knox C Mikal Bridges C Shai Gilgeous-Alexander B Miles Bridges C Jerome Robinson C Michael Porter C
Bill Russell retired after 13 seasons in the nba with 11 nba championships I mean damn, when u got more championship rings than u got fingers to put em on then u are the definition of greatness
You could say the Trae Young Luka Doncic could be here in the future. Nah who we kiddin as good as Luka is we know the Hawks front office cant get star teammates while Dallas would prolly stick with Trae but can get him another star. Basically it'll be the same even if they didnt swap players. Hawks will stay in mediocrity while Dallas could be contenders.
Was so funny when Russell talked about how good Wilt was. I knew how good he was. He knew that I knew how good he was. I knew, he knew, that I knew how good he was. He knew that I knew that he knew that I knew how good he was.
You can add in Luka Doncic and Trae Young in the 2018 NBA Draft. Funny enough Charlotte would never draft another high school player in the Draft Lottery after this mistake they made.
why did you hide details of the Russell trade, you bring up the Ice Capades to Rochester but not the fact St Louis wouldn't have drafted him because they played in a segregated city
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Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that on the day of the 2003 draft, the Nets traded Kyle Korver to the Sixers for a Copy Machine
I looked it up and apparently they sold his drafts rights for $125,000, which they used to pay for the summer league. Then they used the leftover money to buy a copier
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Anthony Bennett was selected with the first pick in the 2013 nba draft
What was the Copy Machine's stat line? What was it's CPM(copies per minute)? What was it's WARP(wins above replacement photocopier)? Could've been a good machine with solid sabermetrics.
Apparently Korver lasted longer in the league than that copy machine lasted. There’s a video somewhere on TH-cam where Korver jokes about it.
@@anthonysanchez6697 Only because Noel got hurt, he was the easy pick for it then, also 70 mill passed up, lol.
If scottie wasn't traded, Seattle might still have a basketball team 😣😫💔
that baller kobe are you a thunder fan
Funny thing there. The Sonics had a chance to reacquire Pippen in 1994. Jordan had retired the first time and it wasn't clear whether he would return to basketball, so the Bulls tried trading Pippen for Shawn Kemp and something. Seattle wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade, so it never happened.
@@75aces97 its best neither team made that trade
that baller kobe no because they still changed to OKC after KD was in there
And mj Is Still In The First Round
Holy crap, I had no idea Tractor Traylor died in 2011! I'm from Ann Arbor so I watched him play at U of M in college during those post Fab Five years. That's really sad, very young guy...
You don't actually care if you're still making fun of a dead man for his weight
@@legend._ How was my post making fun of his weight?
@@Jon.A.Scholt don't call him tractor traylor if you really care 💀
lmao red auerbach convinced a team to pass on russell using ice skaters
Ayush Karthick he was a finesse God who took advantage of the racism at the time
four twenty danny ainge is a finesse god too celtics management are deadly
Justin Kim Boston is lucky to have the two greatest finessers in nba history
I listened to Tommy Heinsohn speak at the Basketball Hall of Fame once and he claimed that it is not totally true that Russell made an "immediate" impact on the Celtics, Russell came off the bench most of the season, only played 48 of 82 games, but did become the starter by the time the Playoffs rolled around, at which point he was starting to dominate in the rebounding category. Tommy Heinsohn claimed that Russell was so dominant on the defensive and rebounding end, that many of the Centers in the league who had been the leagues best players before Russell was drafted, ended up retiring early because they could not compete with Russell (and then Chamberlain)
Russell was a great piece to the 1957 Celtics, but the real stars on that team were still Bob Cousy and Bill Sharman, and their other rookie, none other than Tom Heinsohn, was the true star of the '57 NBA Finals.
@@fourtwenty1813 gimme some of that "bis old man...I need a LB lol
Chris Webber for penny hardaway, I love the magic and penny but I would have loved to see Chris Webber and Shaq destroy people in the paint together
Chippewa Guy Shaq told the team to get Penny because he didn't wanna play with Webber
Chris Webber would have at least made it to a finals
Muve On The Move. True but the Magic needed a point gaurd so they traded for penny
It’s because penny hardaway and Shaq starred in a basketball film called Blue Chips, which was made before penny was drafted, and Shaq convinced the magic to trade down for Webber and draft penny instead
Some of you seem to be forgetting that Chris Webber basically missed most of 1994-1996 with injury. He didn't become an All-Star until 1997. Chris also had a lot of run ins with the police back in those days and got pushed out of Washington on a marijuana arrest. At the time Orlando definitely had the better player.
It's always nice to imagine "What If" scenarios for teams, especially with Seattle, and having Pippen, Payton & Kemp. But, having Pippen in '87 means the team would have better the years u need to draft Kemp & Payton, so that wouldn't have happened.
That team would of been a defensive juggernaut. Imagine that two of the all time greatest wing defenders on the same team (not only in the league at the time i mean EVER) but like you said it probably wouldn't have happened. I mean maybe if MJ didn't come back in 1995 the bulls were looking to trade Scottie anyway maybe they would of traded him or he could of signed with the Sonics or something.
That hypothetical Sonics roster was not possible.
- Pippen was drafted years BEFORE Payton and Kemp
- Pippen would've improved their record and so the Sonics would no longer have a high enough picks to draft Payton and Kemp
- Schrempf also plays SF so the Sonics wouldn't have tried to get him
1mfilms
I agree with this statement, but its still fun to dream. Hypothetically if the Sonics did manage to keep Pippen that 1996 team would of been amazing.
Also those 1980's Sonics teams before Payton and all those guys were so bad, im not sure Pippen alone would of had that dramatic of an effect on their record season by season.
How did the Bulls do with Pippen once MJ left?
Ella T Grasso, they lost in the second round, and then they were .500 the next year before Jordan came back
They could have just put Scottie at PF then get Shrempf
Absolutely, butterfly effect changes everything. Also, Xavier McDaniel was a great player when Pippen was drafted, so no need for Pippen.
Mr Orange but what if they didn’t
It's not a trade but the trailblazers probably screwed themselves out of 5 rings by not drafting Durant or Jordan.
@Channel Channel No Dame if everyone stays healthy and they get KD. If fate hadn't been cruel to them they would already have a handful from this era
Channel Channel a fully healthy 2010 Portland Trail Blazers could’ve been the nba champions
Sam Bowie was better in Jordan's class,probably would've been on of the best ever if he wast so injury prone early on
They already had Drexler at the 2
They would have career ending injuries
Danny Ainge inherited fleecing technique from the god himself LOL
Rip Kobe 😢😪
Concerning Scottie Pippen, do you really think he would have turned into the same all-star we know if he played in Seattle? I believe Scottie did have the talent but it was playing with Jordan day in and day out that brought out his true potential.
Looking at Seattle's 1987-88 roster I do not see anyone near Jordan's level who would have helped Pippen develop so I believe he might have eventually made the all star team but it would have been much later like around 1993-94.
This!
Weirdly, it may have led to a more interesting league, with the Bulls not as dominant. Perhaps they encourage Kukoc to leave Europe sooner with no Pippen. There is no 'sit down' in the playoffs. Payton and Pippen in the Finals against the Bulls is intriguing. Just Pippen defending Jordan in their primes is fascinating in theory.
Damn, R.I.P. kobe 😔
Why can't all NBA fans be as genuine as mah boy Andy? The basketball world would be a better place.
Celtics front office is just so great eversince. WOW.
That Donovan Mitchell trade has potential to be one of the worst NBA Draft Day trades of all time imo.
You forgot LeBrons hairline for great memes.
Imagine if Scottie got traded back to Seattle in 1994. That would have definitely cost the Bull's their second three peat and with Scottie and GP the Sonics might have gotten a ring. It was Scottie for Kemp trade and MJ would have nit blocked it because he wasn't in the league
1993: Penny Hardaway to Orlando for Chris Webber to Golden State
RIP Robert Tractor Traylor
6:49 helicopter cam while talking about Kobe 😢
Michael Jordan would have never won not one Championship without Scottie Pippen.
Your stupid also
Neither would Scottie without MJ.
iamhungey12345 I think his point is that many say Jordan is the greatest of all time but even the greatest needed another stud in order to win.
He probably still wins one or two. Took them to the conference finals before Pippen was an all nba defender. Without as much success Jordan likely would not have retired in 93 either.
Are you a LeBron fan?
Rip Robert Traylor
can you explain why triple doubles have been so common for the past 2 years
Stalker Bleach stat padding
lmfao was robertson stat padding too
players, athletically now a days (westbrook and Bron) are as good as they've ever been throughout NBA history
Player usage and also pace of game too.
Thuan Tran and 3 pointers mean longer rebounds so smaller players can rack up rebounds more easily
great video andy hopps
Great content as always, keep it up man 👍
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To me red Auerbach is the Vince Lombardi of the Boston Celtics 💚💚
Admittedly I know very little about Joe Barry Carroll but after you mentioned his talent but him just lacking desire I wonder how he would've fit if he ended up staying with the Celtics. I mean if he can average 21ppg when he doesn't care, how good would he be when he actually gave a shit playing with somebody like Larry Bird and the Celtics organization?
If Payton and Pippen get together, no one could survive that.
Defensive guards would be a game changer
Saw you in Sporting Logically’s stream
Red is the greatest executive in the history of sports
RIP Kobe
And the newest one ATL trading Doncic to Dallas
sk8tillyoudie 83 i was thinking that cause trae young can be a bust and doncic has potential since he played with older men in their mid 20's
@@patrickgarcia3976 Young is looking good, might even win the ROY
Witteny Cineus Donic is winning
@@theartoonnerdologist411 I agree with you, he will win it, and it doesn't even look close as it does in the beginning
Back in the day, the coin flip was a bigger, uh,... toss up. The coin flip determined where Patrick and Hakeem got drafted.
Tractor Trailer reminds me of a super fat 6'8" center named Dimitri or The Meat Hook. Meat hook was unstoppable in college but didn't make a pro team.
Vlade is an underrated player
0:01 Fire Marshall Bill is the NBA commissioner!? Hmmm. Interesting.
Damn, Celtics in '80 held the #1 and #13 pick after winning 60+ games!!! Can you imagine the Warriors or the Blazers or Raptors or whoever having those picks this year and getting Zion plus another lottery pick?! Or pulling off a trade like the Celtics ended up doing?
Getting Shawn Marion in that Nash trade via draft made the Nash trade a little less painful.
Red was playing chess while most were playing checkers.
The Vince Carter trade on draft night put a whole country as a market for Toronto
The minds behind those Championships red Auerbach jerry west ....Danny ainge
Hornets could of had Kemp’s and Kobe. That trade definitely should of been #1
another great vid well done andy (:
keep em coming !!
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This will change the NBA Forever. Luka-Trae Trade.
And Possibly Miles Bridges and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
lmao , that image of russell flexing his rings
Argg! You mean to tell me that the Rochester Royals could have had Bill Russell? Too bad, because something like that could have kept them in Western New York longer instead of moving across the country and end up in, of all places, Sacramento.
The dirk Nowitzki trade was actually already planned for by the mavs and bucks as the mavs really wanted dirk but didn’t want to upset fans with him so high up in the picks, so they made a deal with the bucks that made them pick dirk much lower and they would get the bucks man higher and sooner.
So if pippen went to sonics do you think he develop to a player like he is in the bulls? I dont think so.
Red playing Chess back in the 50s.....lol...Boston 4 Life
nice trades
My friends name is Lucas schrempf he is 3rd cousins with detlef schrempf, Detlef is from Germany he lives in Seattle Washington right now
i live in seattle
Red Auerbach finessed the fuck out of the Royals lmao
Rip the tractor trailer
Andy it did change the whole hornets future cause the hornets might have had 1 champship! By now also I love your videos keep up the good work!
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That LiAngelo Ball ad before the video made me happy.
Anyone who was a big hoops fan in the 90s will never forget how trash the Mavs we're back then. I remember when they started getting good in the early 2000s, making the playoffs and getting played on TV and thinking to myself, "wow, I can't believe they put out that dumpster fire". They had there super dysfunctional Big Three but that was about it; I remember being mad Kidd split the ROY with Grant Hill as I was and still am a Pistons fan.
Red Auerbach the original finesse god
The Scottie Pippen of Sonics would have been a different Pippen of Bulls. MJ polished Pippen with tough love - that's the reality whether we like it or not...
Great list
RIP Tractor Traylor...Detroit Murray Wright H.S.
Great video.
TRAE YOUNG and LUKA DONCIC
Carmelo for Creampuff Gallinari, Wilson Chandler & Raymond Felton.
Vince Carter traded to the raptors for antawn jamison
Nobody but Jerry West predicted that he should be that great. Jerry admittedly told the agent to spread those rumors and offered every team from 1-13 the same offer the Hornets got. Not for Vlade but for anybody on the roster to draft and trade Kobe
pippen never won DOY because there were way better defender! The dream, Mutombo, Ewing, David Robinson, Rodman...
18magicMARKer no because the nba wanted to give jordan Pippen's award
the nuggets traded the Jazz a future dynasty. heard it here first.
Dominique Wilkins would have been a Laker had James Worthy had not been in the same draft class
That boy band Dirk look.
Rookie season
Deandre Ayton B
Marvin Bagley B
Luka Doncic A
Jaren Jackson Jr. C
Trae Young A
Mohamed Bamba C
Wendell Carter C
Collin Sexton B
Kevin Knox C
Mikal Bridges C
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander B
Miles Bridges C
Jerome Robinson C
Michael Porter C
9:18 ur telling me they draft locals like random guys of parks
Bill Russell retired after 13 seasons in the nba with 11 nba championships I mean damn, when u got more championship rings than u got fingers to put em on then u are the definition of greatness
Can you do the story about jason williams and where is he now
I take it someone watched NBATV'S "what If" draft special that premiered last week
Do a video on Magic Johnson's Aids.
2017 Celtics trade down will be one of the greatest in a few years
Wait you can trade entertainment for a draft pick
Maurice stokes😢
You could say the Trae Young Luka Doncic could be here in the future. Nah who we kiddin as good as Luka is we know the Hawks front office cant get star teammates while Dallas would prolly stick with Trae but can get him another star. Basically it'll be the same even if they didnt swap players. Hawks will stay in mediocrity while Dallas could be contenders.
Imagine Dirk and ray allen omfg that’s splash bros before steph and klay
Was so funny when Russell talked about how good Wilt was.
I knew how good he was.
He knew that I knew how good he was.
I knew, he knew, that I knew how good he was.
He knew that I knew that he knew that I knew how good he was.
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What about the spurs traded George Hill for Leonard ??
Wow if the Celtics took Markelle Fultz and Sixers got jayson Tatum
Wasn't the vlade divac for Kobe trade a salary dump to get Shaq for 100 mil?
Hi. I am a pretty casual follower of the NBA, just wanted to ask, why didn't Celtics simply use their #1 pick to draft McHale?
Because they wanted Robert as well
You can add in Luka Doncic and Trae Young in the 2018 NBA Draft. Funny enough Charlotte would never draft another high school player in the Draft Lottery after this mistake they made.
Micheal Finely NBA Live GOAT
Hi my friend happy thanksgiving to all my friends love Maria’s garden
Did i miss the Carter draft day trade>?
What I learned from this video: Boston has been finessing everyone since they started in the league
THe Hornets and Lakers trade is just like trading away five rings to Vladi Divac
You forgot vince carter for antwain Jamison
Antwan Jamison was not at that much lower of a skill level everything ain't about dunks and threes so no
Rickey brown was solid
30 likes in 5 min lmao
Lol I love how you put kwame brown then LeBron
why did you hide details of the Russell trade, you bring up the Ice Capades to Rochester but not the fact St Louis wouldn't have drafted him because they played in a segregated city
Traylor look like shaq playing wow
Michael Finley is so underrated
You forgot about Kawhi getting traded to the Spurs
That mavs-bucks trade was very lopsided.
3 years later: it's not too early now to determine whether Tatum is better than Fultz.