I mean… just IMAGINE having to tell your father to do the thing he said he would do. Fixed timeline, etc, that must be so frustrating for Eren. The puzzle piece is in position, it just refuses to settle in.
Zeke: "Can you believe Grisha slaughtered the royal family?" Eren: "Ya it took a little convincing but he finally did it lmao" Zeke: "what?" Eren: "what?"
Zeke literally went into this hating his father and trying his best to prove to Eren that Grisha is a bad person, only to find out it was Eren all along
Here’s the funny thing, Zeke was brainwashed by their father Grisha, and he thought Eren was also brainwashed , but in reality Eren was the one brainwashing their father
@@Young_Dab From my POV, he can't, its a fixed timeline and the thing called "fate" or "determined future" is made by eren's desires, which are freedom and the happiness of his friends, his choices are technically pre-determined by his nature, there is no change, it "happens because it happened". If you were to look from "outside" I suppose a comparisson would be on one hand you view yourself turning left and another turning right, but since in this series timeline is fixed, both can't be true, whatever happened and happens is fixed, the "left" or "right" happens and its already set, now you gotta remove the POV of "outside" and think that whatever choice appears to exist it's already determined by "god's" (Ymir/Eren) desire. The gate to the pigs will never not be open, the rumbling is always happening. Fascinating since its a paradox on the concept of free-will and what Eren wants, which is freedom. And he does get it, by his friend's actions, supposedly death is the end, thus ... freedom I guess.
Nah that's false because in one instance, Eren didn't go through with the Rumbling and ran away with Mikasa when he asked her what he was to her and she didn't family zoned him.
@@wanderingbufoon Nop, that was just a vision Time stuff in any genre is really hard to comprehend and understand but I think AoT has the best "system" for it. The attack titan can't read its *own* future, so Eren can't send memories back to his younger self (he is still the same inheritor) so he sends it to his dad which he then gets the memories back from through paths (such as when Reiner and Galliard touched and Galliard got Porco's memories.). TL;DR you can't call yourself but you can call someone else to then share your voice mail with you later. I think Alex had it right, AT can set things into motion through time itself if the future inheritor so wills it- it is just a question of how the past will get to the future.
@@KenanTheFab Which makes it really convoluted and hard to use properly. In one of the scenes in season 3 or 4 Eren talks to the mirror. He said "Fight" eight times. And in season 1 when Eren changes for the first time. You can hear his voice say the same thing with the same tempo, and also when he carries the boulder.
@@Anabnormalelf This goes all the way back to the first King of the walls, Karl Fritz which protected the eldians for 100 years. As you already know that before the walls were made, the whole world was being tormented by the eldians using the power of titans. But, Karl Fritz felt guilty of what his ancestors did and thus, he used the power of the founding titans to built those walls and told the world to not disturb their peace or those walls titans will flatten the whole earth(which was of course not his intention and was just a bluff). He wanted to atone for the sins of eldians and thus he would willingly accept attacks from the outside world and destroy the eldians. Karl fritz's will was inherited or so by the next founding titans inheritors. Even if they want to use the attack titans power, they still cannot do it (because of karl fritz will) to save the eldians. Its already predestined for the royals to not save eldians and be destroyed along with all the eldians by the outside world to atone for their sins.
The best part about this plot twist is that it really isn’t much of a plot twist if you’d just paid close attention to Eren throughout the series. His philosophy is to always fight, and to never lay down and die for anyone. It’s no surprise that Frieda’s words sickened him.
Bro.... The plot twist isn't that he reacted to Frida's words as expected from his personality, but that he was there to hear Frida's words to begin with. And then, he influences his dad into manslaughter.
@@J01789 It kind of is (Not entirely but its up there) Viewers at first viewed eren as the hero of the story and didn't really think much of the story itself. But it was at this moment the viewers were shocked to realise that eren was the one who even started this story, he is responsible for his mothers death and his fathers actions towards the royal family below the church. The moment eren kissed historia's hand was the moment the whole plot of AoT changed, eren had a whole knew perspective on reality. Just think about what would have happened if he didn't kiss historia's hand, he wouldn't be able to witness the future and see what would happen, makes you think. Eren created this story.
@@J01789 I never said it was the greatest, I'm just saying its still a highly shocking plot twist, its not on the top 10 but its still one of the more bigger plot twists there is.
Different streaming platforms have slightly different translations. The one I saw said “we didn’t get to the part where I eat the old man” fucking ice cold
Just realized something interesting... the whole reason the attack titan shows glimpses of future attack titans is because Eren is touching someone of Royal blood along with possessing the founding titan which allows him to be in the past, present, and future. That is the attack titans trait but it was EREN the whole time showing past attack titans small glimpses of the future to manipulate them all to lead up to the rumbling. It's not just some trait that comes with the attack titan but rather it was Eren and his manipulation from the start from the very first attack titan all the way to him to bypass the kings vow and start the rumbling. That's why Kruger was confused when he said Armins and Mikasas name when he was speaking to Erens dad before giving him the attack titan, it was Eren the whole time from the very beginning.
I believe the original ending and "biggest" plot twist of the manga was Eren being there during the creation of that world just for him, with the help of "the goddess". And I'll die on that hill.
@@leontoeides That sounds awesome can you elaborate like when this happens in the manga, how and why does it happen and why was eren to be at the beginning of the world or was he a god all along and who is the goddess?
I have a theory. Remember when Eren was in the jail cell and repeating “fight, fight” into the mirror? What if he was sharing those memories with the first ever attack titan and USED a mirror? We know that erens eyes work like projectors so he’d need a mirror to make it work
So basically the reason grisha saw zeke was because eren was standing behind him and showed grisha his memories of that moment, or I am just reading too much into it.
It's kinda like a two way street since the attack titan can see it's successor's memories and when someone inherits one of the nine they can see their predecessor's memories
@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 In fact it can't see through the memories of the successors, it works the opposite way : the attack titan can share memories lf his own past to a predecessor. You may think it's the same thing, but actually it's really important to understand the difference : this is why Griesha couldn't see what happened to Carla, he evened said litterally "Eren why won't you show me everything", Eren decides what memory he's willing to share or not and this is how he controls all the timeline
I felt so bad for Grisha here. Pushed and provoked by Eren to do all those horrible things. I know the Reiss family have quite a few sins stacked up but this really conveyed just how tortured Grisha was by doing what he did. But I always wonder if when Grisha changed just how much he was in control or if the Attack Titan was on auto pilot, like Eren when he changed in the Trost District battle?
I think Grisha was in control. He told Eren “their memories will teach you how to use it”. Implying Grisha learned how to use the attack Titan through the memories of inheritors. Also he already would’ve had his first transformation as at the time, only a Titan could make it across the island
@@spyjonsachurin2101 eren manipulated grisha but he wasn't the one who forced and burdened his younger self to become a titan. Manipulation and forcing are two different things
Even if eren hadn't said anything Grisha had already gone that far on his own. He would've died and all he did would be for nothing, or he would've killed them anyway
one of my favorite moments in the paths scene is when zeke sees kid eren kill that human trafficker, he looked so shocked. zeke, a child soldier, was shocked at what a child did
"Like dude i can disassociate, am depressed af and be violent myself, but im not an up close and personal type of killer to kill in excessive aggression, especially over someone i barely know!"
i love how the attack titan and the founding titan are mirrors of each other - the founding titan is bound by the actions of the first user, and the attack titan is doomed by the actions of the last
I just saw wanna see the reaction of how mikasa,armin,levi and the others when they hear eren was behind it all. Learning eren manipulated time itself to proceed to the rumbling. Their reaction will be pure golden. Learning that eren was only protecting them all this time
small note. i love that Zeke fell into calling Greisha father. even caught himself slip talking to eren. deep down hes a boy that just wants love from his father
Makes me wonder if Zeke was absolutely terrified at the power the attaxk titan held. Not only could the future inheritor minipulate past inheritors to action, but past inheritors can fully interact with and touch something that shouldn't physically be there in the past to begin with. If you were Zeke right then and there, you would be shitting yourself, because everything you've ever done, was already pre-planned from the very beginning, from your birth, to your childhood, to your adulthood. Everything, so long as there is an attack titan to inherit the power, not even the founder can see, minipulate, and force actions forward nor likely see those from the future nor interact with them in any way.
See the thing is, the reason the attack titan can do all this isn't because its the attack titan. Its because eren inherited it. Every person who saw the future was because eren appeared through the attack titan and so he influenced them all for the ending to be exactly how it was supposed to go.
2:50 Zeke face is priceless, the man is scared beyond words He just realize that the worst was no the eldian, the marley or even the royal familly The worst was eren and he just enable him to activate his destiny
This plot twist vindicates all of us who stuck around after season 2 when there were more questions than answers especially since it had been four years between season 1 and 2.
You’re talking about the same man who snitched on his parents to the law and sent them both to be executed via being eaten alive ... I doubt he cared about Eren as a brother, he was just using that to manipulate him but Eren pulled the Ultimate Reverse UNO on him and it was satisfying to see ... just sucks that so many good characters died in the end but ones that should’ve been canon fodder (like that brat girl who killed Sasha and her simp boyfriend) got to share a happy ending they didn’t deserve 😒😒😒
When Kruger commented on Armin and Mikasa, it left me with only one possibility what the Attack Titan's powers could be. What I didn't expect is how lost Eren already is at this point...
Eren is clearly inspired by the characters of Muad'Dib and Leto II (III) from the DUNE novels. His "evil" actions are part of what in DUNE Muad'Dib calls "a terrible purpose". In order to save humanity and be free, sacrifices have to be made and the people are supposed to unite against a common "Evil". This was also used in Code Geass, but in the case of the Future and Past sights, it's clearly a DUNE thing which was also used in GOTs.
@@Monozomatlii Eren can see the past and the future. The Founding Titan Ymir exists in a plane called The Paths, a sort of Nexus where all of her descendants (The Eldians) are all connected through, by genetic memory if you will. All 9 Titans have special different abilities, the Attack Titan specially aside Physical power is indeed see the Past and the Future simultaneously. With the power of the Founding Titan, Eren can influence the actions of the Past Bearer of the Attack Titan through The Paths. But also see who would the new bearer of the Attack Titan will be in the future and influence whomever it is. Eren always wanted to eliminate the Titans, but saw the continued Marley and Eldia fighting in his visions. His unwavering desire for Freedom is a factor as he wants to be really free but also free humanity from the shackles that they make for themselves and others and the subsequent power struggles. So he decided that in order to do that he had to become the "Ultimate evil", the villain that Humans would unite against as well as making his friends the "Heroes". The idea of a hero having to become the villain for the greater good was made by Frank Herbert in 1965 in his DUNE novels and also the ability of the protagonist to develop the power to see past, present and Future simultaneously.
it's called negative integegration, and has countlessly appeared within human historically/politically, one doesn't have to read and be inspired from Dune to reach the same plot pattern
Isayama hasn't gone on record to say he was inspired by dune. In terms of English media he has gone on record to say he was inspired by the poem Paradise Lost, by John Milton. Apparently most of the media he said he was inspired were of Japanese origin (makes sense considering language barrier). Not all English media is consumed by Japan (whether there's a translation or not) its mere speculation as to whether he read it. Not all media is inspired by Dune.
She has feels for the guy but is shy admiting, can't help the woman, besides, the titan can see future "memories" meaning it will happen no matter what
@@shizu-chan1646 nah I'd like to think eren has feelings for her. He talks to Zeke about her asking him if Ackermans are subconsciously compelled to defend their host, since ya know the Yaegers saved and adopted her. But Zeke tells him that Ackermans are just incredibly gifted fighters , they aren't biologically compelled to protect anyone. "Maybe she's doing it because she likes you so much". Eren sighs and replies to this saying it doesn't matter anyway because he' only got 4 years left until he dies. So even if he did have feelings for her, what could he do?
@@lemongeezer1157 Well yeah it’s obvious that he has feelings for her, but he rejected her early on in the series before he was willing to acknowledge those feelings
The use of osk in this episode makes it so terrofying and otherworldly...it perfectly fits as paths eren's theme song..so unique and different from normal protangonists themes..
Guys at 3:47, when grisha says "stop eren" and they show the shot when he kissed historian's hand. Does that mean he was asking Zeke to stop eren from showing the future memories to the past eren? And that's when the show took it's plot?
At this point he wanted Eren not to destroy the world and for Zeke to stop him. He said as long as his family is safe. But then when he found out his new wife Karla died from the titans (from Marleys actions) he changed his mind again, and gave Eren the attack titan
I find it funny how Eren's father was able to see Eren and is shown to be terrified of him even though he's Eren's father like Eren was reminding him "You know what you need to do, don't f*ck this up now or else."
it's like a paradox. eren didn't manipulate his father and zeke or let his mom die because of some flimsy personal gain. he saw the future and he let it happen like what it should be because that's the only way out of years of imprisonment. he sacrificed himself for the freedom of his loved ones.
Well, i would be like that as well, if someone made me kill many of my own kind without me even knowing, and then deciding to kill all the rest who is still alive.
Eren is still one of the most interesting characters in fiction. He was like this from the beginning, since he was a child. Way before he gained future memories or even received trauma of his mother being eaten by titans. Eren stabbed two slavers to death just on his own as a child and convinced Mikasa to finish the last one.
With Eren Kruger seeing memories of Eren, when he talked to Grisha about Armin and Mikasa, that means he could send memories back as far as informing the attack titan during the uprising of marley against eldia to hide. And since Ymir once was an attack titan, he could have even send her a message, that he would be the one who ends her pain.
Eren saw all of this in s3 through his fathers memories: he not only saw Grisha killing the royal family in Grisha’s POV, but he heard his future self’s voice manipulate Grisha and saw Grisha in future Eren’s POV, he saw all of the memories of future Eren’s future including the rumbling that future Eren sent him, he saw Grisha run away in the first person, he saw Grisha hug Zeke in the third person through Eren’s POV. And at that moment the Founding Titan’s powers caused Eren to lose his perception of time as there is no past and future for the Founder, everything’s happening at the same time and I think the reason Eren couldn’t change the future was because it already happened to him multiple times: as a future memory, in the present, and as a past memory.
It is generally said by eren Kruger (correct me if I'm wrong) that the only titan that can foresee the future is the attack titan. And the only dilemma of it is, eren doesn't possess royal blood (and eldian with the royal blood, only knows the vow of the king fritz, after the passing of the founding titan). And the only one that can decide for the future is the attack titan (which is currently in Eren's possession). At the time Eren kissed Historia's hand, that's where the future makes sense to him. So there's a possibility that the story of AOT is based on Eren's future decision. So I guess not a huge plot twist, but a huge realization in the story that everyone (including me) didn't even realize, because it didn't make sense at the beginning.
I would argue no, Erwin might side with Eren. Not even Erwin can devise a situation where 200+ nations can negotiate was bloodless peace, too many moving pieces. Erwin motivation was to undo the greed of the old government and enlightened the truth to the people. Marley had 100 years to manipulate the world against Eldia, that not simple reversible. Also Eldia was 100 years behind in everything, at best it would take them 50 years to catch up
Imo he'd basically take flochs place in the story. All his comrades died because of the people beyond the sea and I think he'd want just as much as eren to wipe them all out
Crazy to think about how influential Eren’s desire for Freedom is. He is the reason the Attack Titan craves it so heavily, and Ymir (the Founder) waited 2000 YEARS for him to free her too - their collective desire culminating in the Rumbling.
@@ame-chan579 You're a little behind. The power of the Titans finally dies with Eren, it's his "big" plan. Notice how all of season 4 they slowly turned him into almost a unlikeable character. Surely from the start you'd hate him for who he is today, but man if you ain't caught up you're about to start really not liking Eren and how he treats Armin and Mikasa. Edit: I recaught up with the show, now I'm plain worried for how this is all gonna go down. I know the events of what happens but thankfully idk the details. So much for "Final season, p3 the last part" god damnit man.
Eren knew all the AoT spoilers and kept his mouth shut.
Be like Eren.
Amen
Amen
Amen
Amen
Amen.
Zeke: "You told me this memory disgusted you."
Eren: "Yeah, I can't believe he hesitated like that."
"Yeah, you hear that b*tch saying lie down and take it?"
😂😂
Naa dead ass
I mean… just IMAGINE having to tell your father to do the thing he said he would do. Fixed timeline, etc, that must be so frustrating for Eren. The puzzle piece is in position, it just refuses to settle in.
😂🤣🤣
And just like that, Zeke went from main villain to minor character
There are no vilains on AOT.
Only broken people doing broken people's stuff.
@@notaliveandnotdead I think the innocents whose lives their actions ended or ruined because they just happened to be in the way would beg to differ.
@@notaliveandnotdeadand Eren is the most broken from day 1
@@notaliveandnotdead No argument there
King Fitz....
Even Zeke was like "bro wtf" lol
Right 😂😂😂
Zeke: "Can you believe Grisha slaughtered the royal family?"
Eren: "Ya it took a little convincing but he finally did it lmao"
Zeke: "what?"
Eren: "what?"
@@razor3535 lol
Zeke literally went into this hating his father and trying his best to prove to Eren that Grisha is a bad person, only to find out it was Eren all along
@@keane4464and that he’s the one that gave him the tools to do so in a way.
“In order to rise above the monsters we face, we must abandon our own humanity”, Armins words are in full swing here for Eren
Exactly!!!
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There are a huge difference between monsters and millions of inocent humans.
@@devil1449 That's why in war. Only a chosen few will be able to complete wipe out mankind if need be
Just a reminder: that quote is anime only. People who believe in AOE will get it I think.
it's so funny Eren is just establishing his dominance over Zeke with the rare but as powerful A pose
Thats a T pose if I’ve ever seen one
@@mastertoki1 no that is an A pose
“You’re pathetic against me”
@@mastertoki1 that's an A pose choomba
That's a Shenjiki No Kyojin Pose..
Zeke: I’ll bring you into fathers memories and change your mind
Eren: changed Zeke and Grisha’s decision
that's why aot is interesting haha
Zeke: can't you see Eren, our father brainwashed you.
Eren: No Zeke, I brainwashed our father, I'm doing it right now in fact, thanks for the help.
@esenefte816 that's Japan for you they have no sense of direction because of their Strict laws and their strict traditions
but there is a little upside. zeke saw grisha one last time and made peace with him.
Whatever opinion you have of his actions, there is no denying that Eren's bravery and determination are unmatched.
Fr
You're filled with determination ❤️
DEVOTE YOUR HEART
bravery? Ehhh...
determination? I'll agree there.
@@lemonzest8650 Takes some serious balls to do what he did.
The realization that eren himself is the one who convinced his father to take the founder was just incredible
One of the biggest twist no one saw coming
Erens will pushed all Attack Titans user's. Since the beginning.
Eren main everything. Hero, villain, antihero, protagonist, antagonist, everything. What a character. Top tier
And kinda antivillain
Here’s the funny thing, Zeke was brainwashed by their father Grisha, and he thought Eren was also brainwashed , but in reality Eren was the one brainwashing their father
Now that you mention it, it makes me think how far back can Eren manipulate memories?
@@Young_Dab all the way back to the founding titan
No way. That fst back to the founding ? @@zigzagzarf
@@Young_Dab From my POV, he can't, its a fixed timeline and the thing called "fate" or "determined future" is made by eren's desires, which are freedom and the happiness of his friends, his choices are technically pre-determined by his nature, there is no change, it "happens because it happened". If you were to look from "outside" I suppose a comparisson would be on one hand you view yourself turning left and another turning right, but since in this series timeline is fixed, both can't be true, whatever happened and happens is fixed, the "left" or "right" happens and its already set, now you gotta remove the POV of "outside" and think that whatever choice appears to exist it's already determined by "god's" (Ymir/Eren) desire.
The gate to the pigs will never not be open, the rumbling is always happening.
Fascinating since its a paradox on the concept of free-will and what Eren wants, which is freedom. And he does get it, by his friend's actions, supposedly death is the end, thus ... freedom I guess.
Destiny does not preclude free-will, it's caused by it.@@aonirsplayground6224
Eren knew everything and proceeded.
I understood the reference and I hated...Nice XD
Proceed
Proceeded he did
*smiles*
I don't get the reference can someone explain also it's fine if it's a manga spoiler just put a disclaimer so others don't get spoiled
Causality loop.
The attacker titan locks future events in place. Literally the power of destiny
Nah that's false because in one instance, Eren didn't go through with the Rumbling and ran away with Mikasa when he asked her what he was to her and she didn't family zoned him.
@@wanderingbufoon Nop, that was just a vision Time stuff in any genre is really hard to comprehend and understand but I think AoT has the best "system" for it. The attack titan can't read its *own* future, so Eren can't send memories back to his younger self (he is still the same inheritor) so he sends it to his dad which he then gets the memories back from through paths (such as when Reiner and Galliard touched and Galliard got Porco's memories.).
TL;DR you can't call yourself but you can call someone else to then share your voice mail with you later.
I think Alex had it right, AT can set things into motion through time itself if the future inheritor so wills it- it is just a question of how the past will get to the future.
causality loop to eliminate paradoxes, whilst being a paradox in of itself.
@@KenanTheFab Which makes it really convoluted and hard to use properly. In one of the scenes in season 3 or 4 Eren talks to the mirror. He said "Fight" eight times. And in season 1 when Eren changes for the first time. You can hear his voice say the same thing with the same tempo, and also when he carries the boulder.
@@KenanTheFabSteins;Gate
Eren, the real creator of AoT
Isayama was manipulated by Eren all along
@@oscargruber8582 Isayama who ?
@@kanishkasingh6809 Manga Writer
@@Anabnormalelf This goes all the way back to the first King of the walls, Karl Fritz which protected the eldians for 100 years. As you already know that before the walls were made, the whole world was being tormented by the eldians using the power of titans. But, Karl Fritz felt guilty of what his ancestors did and thus, he used the power of the founding titans to built those walls and told the world to not disturb their peace or those walls titans will flatten the whole earth(which was of course not his intention and was just a bluff). He wanted to atone for the sins of eldians and thus he would willingly accept attacks from the outside world and destroy the eldians.
Karl fritz's will was inherited or so by the next founding titans inheritors. Even if they want to use the attack titans power, they still cannot do it (because of karl fritz will) to save the eldians.
Its already predestined for the royals to not save eldians and be destroyed along with all the eldians by the outside world to atone for their sins.
Eren the incel XD
The best part about this plot twist is that it really isn’t much of a plot twist if you’d just paid close attention to Eren throughout the series. His philosophy is to always fight, and to never lay down and die for anyone. It’s no surprise that Frieda’s words sickened him.
Bro....
The plot twist isn't that he reacted to Frida's words as expected from his personality, but that he was there to hear Frida's words to begin with.
And then, he influences his dad into manslaughter.
And then becomes an incel in the last episodes.
@@gustavoferreira1178incel? Nah, more like simp
@@gustavoferreira1178 that was your takeaway?
@@Plupert Ending was horrible and destroyed Eren's whole character. What was the point of this plot twist?
Ladies and gentlemen, AOT presents you the greatest plot twist of all time.
No
Of all time? No, lol.
@@J01789 It kind of is (Not entirely but its up there)
Viewers at first viewed eren as the hero of the story and didn't really think much of the story itself.
But it was at this moment the viewers were shocked to realise that eren was the one who even started this story, he is responsible for his mothers death and his fathers actions towards the royal family below the church.
The moment eren kissed historia's hand was the moment the whole plot of AoT changed, eren had a whole knew perspective on reality.
Just think about what would have happened if he didn't kiss historia's hand, he wouldn't be able to witness the future and see what would happen, makes you think.
Eren created this story.
@@Horrorpleb You explaining the plot twist that I already know about doesn't change the fact that it's not the greatest plot twist of all time.
@@J01789 I never said it was the greatest, I'm just saying its still a highly shocking plot twist, its not on the top 10 but its still one of the more bigger plot twists there is.
4:03 the man just t-posed to assert his dominance
There were many moments that shook me reading the manga, but this, this reveal, is my favorite.
This is nothing compared to Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint.
@@wanderingbufoon Omniscient reader viewpoint is a power fantasy with good writing but nowhere near as good as AOT
@@danielbatista8760 yeah I prefer SSS class suicide ranker
@@wanderingbufoonnot even 1% of Reverend insanity
not in this video but eren saying "we're not even at the part where I eat him yet" was cold as hell
wait what episode or part was that?
@@blindbandit4277 right after zeke bring him out of his fathers memories
Different streaming platforms have slightly different translations. The one I saw said “we didn’t get to the part where I eat the old man” fucking ice cold
Eren really has 0 filter left in his body, bro is just too cold hearted atp
That was such a satisfying line to kick off the continuation in the following episode
Just realized something interesting... the whole reason the attack titan shows glimpses of future attack titans is because Eren is touching someone of Royal blood along with possessing the founding titan which allows him to be in the past, present, and future. That is the attack titans trait but it was EREN the whole time showing past attack titans small glimpses of the future to manipulate them all to lead up to the rumbling.
It's not just some trait that comes with the attack titan but rather it was Eren and his manipulation from the start from the very first attack titan all the way to him to bypass the kings vow and start the rumbling.
That's why Kruger was confused when he said Armins and Mikasas name when he was speaking to Erens dad before giving him the attack titan, it was Eren the whole time from the very beginning.
I believe the original ending and "biggest" plot twist of the manga was Eren being there during the creation of that world just for him, with the help of "the goddess". And I'll die on that hill.
@@leontoeides That sounds awesome can you elaborate like when this happens in the manga, how and why does it happen and why was eren to be at the beginning of the world or was he a god all along and who is the goddess?
@@dariusmain3531 looks like a reach but you'll never get me to apologize for it lol
Worse reaches have been posted in this fandom.
I have a theory. Remember when Eren was in the jail cell and repeating “fight, fight” into the mirror? What if he was sharing those memories with the first ever attack titan and USED a mirror? We know that erens eyes work like projectors so he’d need a mirror to make it work
@@evanbell7825frieda sees that moment while brushing her hair
So basically the reason grisha saw zeke was because eren was standing behind him and showed grisha his memories of that moment, or I am just reading too much into it.
i wanna think that its eren who is showing grisha this memory instead of grisha intentianlly looking into erens memories to talk to zeke.
u right
It's kinda like a two way street since the attack titan can see it's successor's memories and when someone inherits one of the nine they can see their predecessor's memories
@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 In fact it can't see through the memories of the successors, it works the opposite way : the attack titan can share memories lf his own past to a predecessor. You may think it's the same thing, but actually it's really important to understand the difference : this is why Griesha couldn't see what happened to Carla, he evened said litterally "Eren why won't you show me everything", Eren decides what memory he's willing to share or not and this is how he controls all the timeline
@@lionnoir1592 but don't the nine titan successors inherit the predecessors memories
I felt so bad for Grisha here. Pushed and provoked by Eren to do all those horrible things. I know the Reiss family have quite a few sins stacked up but this really conveyed just how tortured Grisha was by doing what he did. But I always wonder if when Grisha changed just how much he was in control or if the Attack Titan was on auto pilot, like Eren when he changed in the Trost District battle?
I think Grisha was in control. He told Eren “their memories will teach you how to use it”. Implying Grisha learned how to use the attack Titan through the memories of inheritors. Also he already would’ve had his first transformation as at the time, only a Titan could make it across the island
@@spyjonsachurin2101 eren manipulated grisha but he wasn't the one who forced and burdened his younger self to become a titan. Manipulation and forcing are two different things
Even if eren hadn't said anything Grisha had already gone that far on his own. He would've died and all he did would be for nothing, or he would've killed them anyway
@@Philthorn You could say it was Eren that did it, but really, it's fate and no one can escape it
@@keane4464 fate only binds you if you let it, if you don't bare your fangs against it
Zeke was like us, needing a minute to process the utter shock of what was happening
one of my favorite moments in the paths scene is when zeke sees kid eren kill that human trafficker, he looked so shocked. zeke, a child soldier, was shocked at what a child did
"Like dude i can disassociate, am depressed af and be violent myself, but im not an up close and personal type of killer to kill in excessive aggression, especially over someone i barely know!"
Eren always felt he was born to be a soldier while Zeke wanted to be free to choose
As a person who watched only season 1 and jumped here by accident I feel like HOLY STT WHAT.THE.HELL???
stay away from youtube, you will see spoilers. it will ruin the ultimate experience!
Dont Watch more of it. The story is marvelous, you will only ruined your experience if you do it.
Close your eyes forget this happened. It was all a dream
this is me, i watched season 1 and part of 2, now im watching every spoiler video there is, this show is so fucking good lmao
Sorry man, but you just spoiled yourself from one of the best well-written plot twisted of all time.
0:40 oh god that was so good
did you cu- I mean yea it's so good 👍🏻
@@messythoughts9116 I cu- indeed
@@StarWarsJokes ayo
@@willoffire9972 wild😂
Eren was like:
What the fuck are daddy issues? Just traumatize your father back
i love how the attack titan and the founding titan are mirrors of each other - the founding titan is bound by the actions of the first user, and the attack titan is doomed by the actions of the last
"ill bring you into grishas memories and change your mind"
"actually, youll bring me into grishas memories and ill change grishas mind"
Zeke: "we came here to lecture you about our father"
Eren: "No, we came here to lecture all of you"
Now this is funny. Why the likes not many 😭😭🤣
2:50 I love how shocked Zeke looks
Its funny since its Coming from a person who has murdered countless people
I just saw wanna see the reaction of how mikasa,armin,levi and the others when they hear eren was behind it all.
Learning eren manipulated time itself to proceed to the rumbling. Their reaction will be pure golden. Learning that eren was only protecting them all this time
S1 Armin: Eren, you have to become a monster to defeat our enemies!
S4 Armin when Eren does this: Wait, that's illegal!
4:03 Eren's like "Checkmate bro"
small note. i love that Zeke fell into calling Greisha father. even caught himself slip talking to eren. deep down hes a boy that just wants love from his father
i find it so powerfull eren anger guy almost explodes of hatred... i get chills every timee i rewatch it holy shit.
That cold stare at the end, man. Chills
regardless of how this anime will end this will remain as one of the best animes
and this scene will remain as best plot development moment
In anime level for you consider this sht is as time traveling gies
Indeed it doesn't even feel like anime, or any other thing is it's own thing
Makes me wonder if Zeke was absolutely terrified at the power the attaxk titan held. Not only could the future inheritor minipulate past inheritors to action, but past inheritors can fully interact with and touch something that shouldn't physically be there in the past to begin with.
If you were Zeke right then and there, you would be shitting yourself, because everything you've ever done, was already pre-planned from the very beginning, from your birth, to your childhood, to your adulthood. Everything, so long as there is an attack titan to inherit the power, not even the founder can see, minipulate, and force actions forward nor likely see those from the future nor interact with them in any way.
See the thing is, the reason the attack titan can do all this isn't because its the attack titan. Its because eren inherited it. Every person who saw the future was because eren appeared through the attack titan and so he influenced them all for the ending to be exactly how it was supposed to go.
2:50
Zeke face is priceless, the man is scared beyond words
He just realize that the worst was no the eldian, the marley or even the royal familly
The worst was eren and he just enable him to activate his destiny
This plot twist vindicates all of us who stuck around after season 2 when there were more questions than answers especially since it had been four years between season 1 and 2.
Man, you'll know how twisted a character becomes when even the supposed main villain starts questioning their actions lol
Someone needs to edit that Thawne and Barry video to Eren and Zeke.
“It was me Zeke, it was me, I did”.
Yes, that would be great 👍
2:50 the look on zeke face was like "bro that some messed up shit right there"
You’re talking about the same man who snitched on his parents to the law and sent them both to be executed via being eaten alive ... I doubt he cared about Eren as a brother, he was just using that to manipulate him but Eren pulled the Ultimate Reverse UNO on him and it was satisfying to see ... just sucks that so many good characters died in the end but ones that should’ve been canon fodder (like that brat girl who killed Sasha and her simp boyfriend) got to share a happy ending they didn’t deserve 😒😒😒
Eren: Yeah i know, but it was necessary
Eren is the perfect analogy for how Heroes become Villains.
4:03 and then he T-Posed to assert his dominance.
When Kruger commented on Armin and Mikasa, it left me with only one possibility what the Attack Titan's powers could be.
What I didn't expect is how lost Eren already is at this point...
Eren is clearly inspired by the characters of Muad'Dib and Leto II (III) from the DUNE novels. His "evil" actions are part of what in DUNE Muad'Dib calls "a terrible purpose". In order to save humanity and be free, sacrifices have to be made and the people are supposed to unite against a common "Evil". This was also used in Code Geass, but in the case of the Future and Past sights, it's clearly a DUNE thing which was also used in GOTs.
Is the concept of "terrible purpose" originated from DUNE?
@@BlankerWitt1 DUNE was published in 1965 by Author Frank Herbert, so I would say yes.
@@Monozomatlii Eren can see the past and the future. The Founding Titan Ymir exists in a plane called The Paths, a sort of Nexus where all of her descendants (The Eldians) are all connected through, by genetic memory if you will. All 9 Titans have special different abilities, the Attack Titan specially aside Physical power is indeed see the Past and the Future simultaneously. With the power of the Founding Titan, Eren can influence the actions of the Past Bearer of the Attack Titan through The Paths. But also see who would the new bearer of the Attack Titan will be in the future and influence whomever it is.
Eren always wanted to eliminate the Titans, but saw the continued Marley and Eldia fighting in his visions. His unwavering desire for Freedom is a factor as he wants to be really free but also free humanity from the shackles that they make for themselves and others and the subsequent power struggles. So he decided that in order to do that he had to become the "Ultimate evil", the villain that Humans would unite against as well as making his friends the "Heroes".
The idea of a hero having to become the villain for the greater good was made by Frank Herbert in 1965 in his DUNE novels and also the ability of the protagonist to develop the power to see past, present and Future simultaneously.
it's called negative integegration, and has countlessly appeared within human historically/politically, one doesn't have to read and be inspired from Dune to reach the same plot pattern
Isayama hasn't gone on record to say he was inspired by dune. In terms of English media he has gone on record to say he was inspired by the poem Paradise Lost, by John Milton. Apparently most of the media he said he was inspired were of Japanese origin (makes sense considering language barrier).
Not all English media is consumed by Japan (whether there's a translation or not) its mere speculation as to whether he read it. Not all media is inspired by Dune.
If only mikasa didn’t family-zoned eren the rumbling could’ve been avoided
She has feels for the guy but is shy admiting, can't help the woman, besides, the titan can see future "memories" meaning it will happen no matter what
Won't ever happen due to eren never getting the founding titan if he doesn't manipulate his farther.
I thought Eren was the one who rejected her feelings first. Right before he used the founding titans power for the first time to kill Dina’s titan
@@shizu-chan1646 nah I'd like to think eren has feelings for her. He talks to Zeke about her asking him if Ackermans are subconsciously compelled to defend their host, since ya know the Yaegers saved and adopted her. But Zeke tells him that Ackermans are just incredibly gifted fighters , they aren't biologically compelled to protect anyone. "Maybe she's doing it because she likes you so much".
Eren sighs and replies to this saying it doesn't matter anyway because he' only got 4 years left until he dies. So even if he did have feelings for her, what could he do?
@@lemongeezer1157 Well yeah it’s obvious that he has feelings for her, but he rejected her early on in the series before he was willing to acknowledge those feelings
Eren really decided to become Thanos
Nope, they're not the same
@@NeverMind-tp3vz bruh just let me do my marginal comparison. Thanos is the most recent genocidal maniac in pop culture
As far as the amount of damage being done, Eren is way worse than Thanos😭😭😭
@@kanishkanvariketta9701 their motives are different
@@shizu-chan1646 Thanos literally killed trillions of beings in the universe. Eren killed 80% of life on just planet Earth
Dad to their son: Are ya winning son?
Eren to his dad: Are ya winning dad?
2:56 this moment absolute madness. AOT is pure rollercoaster of emotions.
The use of osk in this episode makes it so terrofying and otherworldly...it perfectly fits as paths eren's theme song..so unique and different from normal protangonists themes..
Watching this immediately reminded me of that one scene when Historia said it wasn't Eren's fault behind her family's death 😭
Guys at 3:47, when grisha says "stop eren" and they show the shot when he kissed historian's hand. Does that mean he was asking Zeke to stop eren from showing the future memories to the past eren? And that's when the show took it's plot?
At this point he wanted Eren not to destroy the world and for Zeke to stop him. He said as long as his family is safe. But then when he found out his new wife Karla died from the titans (from Marleys actions) he changed his mind again, and gave Eren the attack titan
This went basically like this:
"You thought my father manipulated me"
"But it was me, EREN!"
KONO EREN DA
I get the Jojo reference harder.
KONO EREN DA
@@affanvh5746what is jojo
So his dad had a whole complex about his Hippocratic oath. That's great.
if Hippocrates was in the AoT universe it would've been Galen that invented the Titans I reckon
This moment made me realize that Eren was my favorite character.
I'd like to imagine that Isayama woke up one day and saw a 19 year old emo kid with anger issues staring at him saying:
Create a masterpiece
I find it funny how Eren's father was able to see Eren and is shown to be terrified of him even though he's Eren's father like Eren was reminding him "You know what you need to do, don't f*ck this up now or else."
Grisha goal was freedom for Eldians. Grisha believed in Eren despite how cruel Eren's demands were.
it's like a paradox. eren didn't manipulate his father and zeke or let his mom die because of some flimsy personal gain. he saw the future and he let it happen like what it should be because that's the only way out of years of imprisonment. he sacrificed himself for the freedom of his loved ones.
Zeke: I'll prove to you that Grisha brainwashed you!
Eren: You were expecting Grisha, but it was me, Eren! Kono Eren Da!
Zeke: Nani?!
2:51 Zeke with the scared pikachu face 😮
God I wish I could forget everything about this series and watch it again
2:43 Eren when you count by km/h instead of freedom by kill
it's not manipulation. it's just cheering up his father. Hey dad! let's gooo, you can do it.
This plot twist was insane. Literally never would’ve expected that holy shit.
2:51 i can't help but laugh at this scene like zeke's literally just sitting there like "Holy shit. It was you. IT WAS ALWAYS YOU. YOU DID THIS."
Eren be like: I'm not in danger Zeke, I am the danger.
Eren: I am not in danger. I am the DANGER.
Eren basically did a "Zero Requiem" bring peace via the prospect of war
War? No war means they had a chance to win this is akin to shooting kids in a bucket
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA
Oh wait you're serious
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😆😆😆😆 extra pages slap on your face
You sarcastic or what?
"There are no innocents, not anymore" - Dracula
Eren has always been like this, he just switched enemies from titans to the world
Well, i would be like that as well, if someone made me kill many of my own kind without me even knowing, and then deciding to kill all the rest who is still alive.
Star wars: "no son, I am your father"
AoT: "no farther, I am your farther"
Man, Eren went from Naruto to Lelouche in just 90 episodes.
Eren is still one of the most interesting characters in fiction.
He was like this from the beginning, since he was a child. Way before he gained future memories or even received trauma of his mother being eaten by titans.
Eren stabbed two slavers to death just on his own as a child and convinced Mikasa to finish the last one.
This moment overshadowed anything before of after, the peak of AOT was this episode
When I here the piano playing 1:54 it almost sounds like the bleach sounds track “never meant to belong” 🔥
With Eren Kruger seeing memories of Eren, when he talked to Grisha about Armin and Mikasa, that means he could send memories back as far as informing the attack titan during the uprising of marley against eldia to hide. And since Ymir once was an attack titan, he could have even send her a message, that he would be the one who ends her pain.
Isayama had the greatest weed in the world fr
"I've been like this since I was a Kid"
I did it for me. I liked it, i was *good* at it. It made me feel free.
Eren saw all of this in s3 through his fathers memories: he not only saw Grisha killing the royal family in Grisha’s POV, but he heard his future self’s voice manipulate Grisha and saw Grisha in future Eren’s POV, he saw all of the memories of future Eren’s future including the rumbling that future Eren sent him, he saw Grisha run away in the first person, he saw Grisha hug Zeke in the third person through Eren’s POV. And at that moment the Founding Titan’s powers caused Eren to lose his perception of time as there is no past and future for the Founder, everything’s happening at the same time and I think the reason Eren couldn’t change the future was because it already happened to him multiple times: as a future memory, in the present, and as a past memory.
Eren was disgusted with his father for hesistating to kill the reiss family. Not for slaughtering them.
It is generally said by eren Kruger (correct me if I'm wrong) that the only titan that can foresee the future is the attack titan. And the only dilemma of it is, eren doesn't possess royal blood (and eldian with the royal blood, only knows the vow of the king fritz, after the passing of the founding titan). And the only one that can decide for the future is the attack titan (which is currently in Eren's possession). At the time Eren kissed Historia's hand, that's where the future makes sense to him. So there's a possibility that the story of AOT is based on Eren's future decision. So I guess not a huge plot twist, but a huge realization in the story that everyone (including me) didn't even realize, because it didn't make sense at the beginning.
Incredible scene, but then I keep bursting out laughing at the end whenever I see Eren's T Pose of Dominance
It’s really easy to forget that he’s still in Zeke‘s shackles.
This was Eren's Reverse Flash moment. "It was me, Zeke. I convinced our father to steal the founder and kill the royal family"
梶さん凄まじすぎて、こっからどんどん大御所感マシマシになってくんだなーって
It was insane that Eren was basically behind everything in the end
Lmao I don’t know why but zekes face at 2:50 made me lose it 😂
Zeke Pikachu surprised face
"Bro tf?"
If **Erwin** was still alive do you guys think he'd agree with Eren's genocide? I'm not sure.
He definitely wouldn't
It's Erwin's death what led Eren to do so. Erwin would have come up and executed a better plan. Something Hange or Armin couldn't.
I would argue no, Erwin might side with Eren. Not even Erwin can devise a situation where 200+ nations can negotiate was bloodless peace, too many moving pieces. Erwin motivation was to undo the greed of the old government and enlightened the truth to the people. Marley had 100 years to manipulate the world against Eldia, that not simple reversible. Also Eldia was 100 years behind in everything, at best it would take them 50 years to catch up
Imo he'd basically take flochs place in the story. All his comrades died because of the people beyond the sea and I think he'd want just as much as eren to wipe them all out
Erwin's dream was just to prove that the Titans were once human beings not sure what he would want after that.
Crazy to think about how influential Eren’s desire for Freedom is. He is the reason the Attack Titan craves it so heavily, and Ymir (the Founder) waited 2000 YEARS for him to free her too - their collective desire culminating in the Rumbling.
Zeke always thought Eren is the victim- But it's turned out- Grisha is the real victim-
Zeke was so shocked that he didnt stop eren from manipulating his father infront of him
zeke: *shook by eren's manipulation skills*
eren: *A posing to assert dominance*
Eren: still bound in shackles
It's ironic that Eren's actions would result in the destruction of the Titan power permanently upon his death.
Why? He *did* say that he was gonna kill all the Titans 👀
That was his plan bruh... come on get a grip...
that’s a spoiler for anime only’s btw
@@ame-chan579 You're a little behind. The power of the Titans finally dies with Eren, it's his "big" plan. Notice how all of season 4 they slowly turned him into almost a unlikeable character. Surely from the start you'd hate him for who he is today, but man if you ain't caught up you're about to start really not liking Eren and how he treats Armin and Mikasa.
Edit: I recaught up with the show, now I'm plain worried for how this is all gonna go down. I know the events of what happens but thankfully idk the details. So much for "Final season, p3 the last part" god damnit man.
@@Wildlink123 Will eren come back to life on AOT ?? Or they just gone end the whole season with these last two episodes.
The real plot twist is that Isayama has been telling you exactly what’s going to happen the whole time and you were too ignorant to listen.
Grisha was more scared of eren than he was scared of the founding titan lol
Words cannot explain how insane of a moment this was for me when I read it in the manga
Harvey dent: you either die a hero or live enough to become the villain
Eren: your coin was cute and all.
Bro, when the video ended I got a advertisement and it has the ending of the final season XD