We just bought one Saturday, and we absolutely love our RAV4. And, my wife averaged 41mpg going to work. She works on a mountain here in Tennessee, and has about an 1hr 10min drive to work. Best purchase of our lives, as far as cars go.
Love the channel, but your dad made a false generalization. It's a mistake to compare the CVT transmission of the Honda to the solidly geared, BULLETPROOF eCVT in the RAV4 hybrid platform.
I've had a RAV4 XSE for almost a year now and I've never once averaged less than 41MPG in it throughout any tank of gas I've put into it. Best I got was just shy of 50mpg. Thats nuts for an SUV.
Dustin Lambert I have a 2020 RAV4 XLE , And I have been amazed with the mileage this SUV gets first tank 49 miles per gallon my second tank has been almost 51 miles per gallon. Most of my mileage has been stop and go with nothing over 60 mph. Yes I do understand that driving on interstate over 70 dramatically lowers miles per gallon.Yes I’ve had many Toyota hybrids. By far this is the best one I have owned. The only thing that I really don’t like about this car are the factory tires, they are firestone, My next set will be Michelin.
@@alphach1mp Funny think because one of my friend got a flat today and he had to wait about 4 hours for the tow to come cause he didn't have a spare tire.
We just bought a 2020 CR-V hybrid EX and we’re averaging 47mpg in the city easily. I know of 2 other CRV hybrid drivers that are getting similar mileage and that with the AC on. The CR-V is way, way more refined and solid vehicle that the RAV 4 and everything inside and out is more premium and safer and has way more options in little things you don’t think of as important like rain sensing wipers and climate control remote start but once you have them it’s hard to argue against their convenience. Toyotas are known for efficiency and that often comes at a cost. Yeah overall you get a few more miles per gallon on average. Probably busy doing mostly city driving. I think the CRV is the better choice hands down.
@@AdmiralCecil yes. I know the CRV has "real" AWD but for most people the regular RAV4 Hybrid's AWD system would still be enough, throw some snow tires on it, and you would be golden
@@-VX- Oh no not yet. I meant down the road when toyota eventually redesigns the vehicle/ hybrid system. Probably 10 years from now. By then I will need a new car. May even check out the plug in - like you mentioned.
@@ivalterbaptista2305 Yes they are. Gasoline engines have always had less efficiency than diesels so this achievement is very good. As well as not requiring so much after treatment as diesels. Or expensive build materials. As much as diesels can still do long runs, they're costlier, heavier and more complicated to maintain that gasoline ones.
Toyota just knows how to get REALLY GOOD mpg. The Prius, love it or hate it, has been around for a long time. That has given Toyota plenty of data on how to get the best mpg. I own a 2019 Corolla hatchback. Obviously, not a hybrid setup. It's rated at 32mpg city, 42 mpg highway. Getting 32 in the city is slightly harder, but easily doable. The highway rating, on the other hand, is extremely easy to top. I've driven the same 105 mile trip several times and regularly get 45- 48 MPG. The difference is with A/C off or my cruising speed. To me, that's damn good considering the car has more than enough power to climb a hill and pass on a hill. Cruising at 85, which isn't actually legal, still gets me 40- 42 MPG..
Correct. Toyota regularly exceeds their highway mpg figures and that is a rare achievement in this industry. Even my 05 Vibe (5 speed manual) beats the official numbers. As my name suggests, I drive at the speed limit. As good as your Corolla hatch numbers are, the 4 cylinder Camry impresses me more. Car & Driver got 45 mpg in their 200 mile highway test at 75 mpg. As I am not a fan of turbos I would like to see the mileage and performance of that 2.5 engine offered to Corolla buyers. Do you have the CVT or the 6 speed hatch? The rpm of the CVT is incredibly low at highway speed.
Those are standard numbers for modern small cars. With the Corolla though, you get the storage space of cars a whole class smaller, so maybe it's fairer to compare to smaller cars, in which case it looks worse. The Toyota 2.5 running 14:1 compression like in the RAV4 is certainly more impressive. Still, cars from all the manufacturers are quite impressive these days but hopefully the Corolla gets more improvements soon.
@@rightlanehog3151 I owned a 19' with a manual that was totaled after I owned it for 2 months. A full sized pickup rear ended me on the freeway. Everyone in my car walked away with minor whiplash.. Anyway. I bought a automatic after that to replace it. I'm getting 4 mpg or more both in town and on the freeway with the automatic. It barely turns 2,100 RPM at 78MPH on the freeway
@@kevina2052 2,100 rpm at 78 is amazing for a 2.0 gasoline engine but I would hate to give up my manual. For comparison sake, my old 1.8 Corolla engine with a 5 speed turns 2,500 rpm at our 100 kmh (62 mph) speed limit. It is too bad they can't spread the gear ratios a bit more on the current 6 speed manual to get the revs in overdrive closer to the level of the CVT. It is time for an 8 speed manual from Toyota! As impressive as your mpg numbers are, I would still like to see what the 203 hp 2.5 Camry engine would achieve in a much lighter Corolla.
I bought the 2021 Rav 4 hybrid. I love it! I can hear wind noise but I do not mind it. I am not a fuel efficient driver but I still get 41 mpg. I am very happy with my purchase.
Just editorial: title should read "Toyota RAV4 Hybrid vs..."? I AM impressed, that the RAV4 mpg display was pretty much honest. That's a refreshing change.
It depends a lot on how the driver drives the car. The regen shifter on the CRV is meant to be used. Honda didn't want the sudden brake of the battery regen system whenever you lift your feet off the accelerator. So you can adjust it in realtime with the regen shifter. It has not been used at all during this comparison... I believe the RAV-4 is slighty better in term of mpg but the number on the CR-V aren't real. I can reach 47 mpg with my CR-V in the city.
exactly my thoughts...just because the Rav4 doesn't have regen braking doesn't mean you shouldn't use it on the CRV, the downhill with the regen at max would have definitely improve the consumption figures for the CRV. so we didn't get a fair comparison in the end.
I've had my RAV4 Hybrid XSE for over a month now and I love it. There are parts of me that regret not getting the JBL speakers and panaromic roof but that doesn't change how the car drives.
@@kervynetongco9209 time heals all wounds… but memeing aside, I’d also like to know. Def gonna get the jbl setup if I do go for one since remote start is part of that package. Toyota really pulling a cable company move there
There is NO CVT in the Honda. In fact, there is no transmission there at all. The Toyota has something more similar to the CVT, the planetary gear power split device, but even that's not a CVT.
Surmoka you are correct but at least Toyota (not sure about Honda) refers to their system as having an “eCVT”. Fact is most people can not comprehend a car not having a transmission. I drive a Tesla and people ask me how many gears the transmission has. They are flabbergasted when I say “it doesn’t have a transmission”
For what I can understand is Honda have the similar power split device to Toyota but with a direct drive gear the reason Honda don’t have the same PSD as Toyota is because it’s patented by Toyota
I wasn't aware of the patents, but I drove both of these cars as well as a non-hybrid CX-5 and a Tiguan before I bought my gas guzzling 4Runner (crazy huh - go figure - I get from 12-20 MPG in the 'runner). My daily driver is a Camry hybrid so I'm familiar with Toyota's hybrid system. As a driver I prefer the Toyota hybrid platform. This isn't a brand loyalty thing: I owned and loved Honda VTECs (including Acura Integras) from the late '90s through to 2010 - and I still have great memories of those cars.
@@JHuffPhoto the ecvt has a launching gear after that it switches to the belt. this is why it feels responsive at the start plus it gives the CVT belt a longer lifespan
Honda vs Toyota hybrid systems are like the stock market. Honda's system can get ridiculously high mpg (I own an insight and average 60 mpg mostly highway) but I have also seen it drop into the 40s depending on weather and hills and what not. Whereas the Toyota, you probably won't pull much more mpg than it's rated for, but it will do it more consistently. Interesting stuff, great video guys!
On a flat highway, you probably use the one ordinary gear - which gives the mechanical connection of wheel and engine. That would be very economical. This particular aspect is a plus of Honda's system. The downside is a smaller engine - I think Honda should use 2.5l, at least in North America. In many countries in the world, the tax and insurance brackets are very expensive for anything over 2.0l so it makes sense for these.
Haha, agreed, I own a Insight touring 22 and sometimes I get 70 MPG, crazy right? But anyways Im loving this car, is enough heavy for my Windy city ( Chicago) waiting for the winter now, and it has an small tank, I just spend $25 dlllrs every 2 weeks, I love the quiet cabinet and the great feel driving, I love Honda all the time. Toyota is ridiculous expensive
@@eduardoherrera2338 Are you still liking your Insight? I'm thinking about getting an EX model, but can't seem to find any near me to test drive? Pros/Cons?
I’ve read where several people are getting mid 40s all the way to mid 50s in town, what’s would you say is the best mpg you can get in town? I do food delivery for a living and have been using a Prius but it just got totaled out and if I can indeed get mid 40s or higher vs mid 50s being super low to the ground I’ll happily pay a bit more in gas and monthly note. Thanks in advance.
Honda has been behind with their hybrids for years. They really need to step it up. I've been thinking about getting a hybrid vehicle for a while, but I ultimately decided the fuel savings weren't good enough to justify the high price. Instead, I'm probably going to get a Rav4 Prime PHEV next year, if I can even get one given the extremely limited availability. There will only 5000 available in 2020 and 20,000 in 2021 and the same in 2022. That means if you don't already have one reserved, you likely won't get one before 2023. I know there is a battery shortage, but damn Toyota needs to figure something out because the Rav4 Prime is probably the most highly anticipated vehicle of the last 10 years.
When I was living in Colorado it never really occurred to me that this road would be especially hard for electric cars, mostly because I don't have one. I do know smaller engine cars aren't always happy about it.
great video, guys! i test drove a crv hybrid & liked it quite a bit. but i bought a rav4 hybrid xle (non leather) bcuz i felt it’s hybrid system operated a hair smoother, and i also watched this video last year before purchasing it. it is awsum in the snow, and i average 42mpg combined in summer and about 34 combined in winter. it’s awsum, quiet, quick smooth acceleration. i’m sure either car is a good choice. i will probably never drive a non hybrid again! keep the great videos coming, fellas!
The RAV4 hybrid also has 6 simulated gears for downshifting and regen to make those stick shift fanatics happy. I prefer to use the foot brake instead since the first few inch is also pure regen (no friction braking) and more progressive and smoother, compared to the srepwise fashion of the downshifting effort (which become cumbersome after a while).
@@azera55555 those downshifts are gimmicks to differentiate their products and attract buyers. Bottom line, just need to modulate the brake pedal for the same effect.
@@kevina2052 They also went back to improve all of the basics things of an engine. Their new dynamic force engines line-up reach the best thermal efficiency in the production !
@@djorksolo8544 I've owned a 19' Corolla hatchback for over a year now. The engine is quite impressive. The "launch gear" CVT is way better than most people would think. It does a great job of mimicking a standard geared transmission. The combo of acceleration and gas mileage is very good. It's no race car, but it's faster by FAR than a smaller, slightly lower prices hatchback. But, it meets or exceeds that smaller, slower cars gas mileage. So really, it's the best of both worlds.
@@normt5463 That's impressive, but also a diesel. We don't get small displacement diesel engines anymore. VW ruined that years ago for us.. we have to make it work with hybrid and gas
@@normt5463 Diesel is diesel, here it was gas vs gas ! We all know diesel can do better mpg. The point is, Toyota made the most thermal efficient engine in production cars. The thermal efficiency of their dynamic force engines, are getting very close to diesels. So this is quite impressive !
I'm 6'1 and the drivers seat in the Rav4 is barely adequate. In the front passenger seat, I head rubs against the ceiling if I don't recline the seat. The CRV looks tiny on the outside but is very comfortable for me in both the driver's and passenger seat. While I'd prefer the hybrid tech of a Toyota, the extra MPG isn't worth being uncomfortable for hours on end.
What if your assumption about leaving the CR-V in its lowest regen setting is not the right choice. Toyota does not give one a choice, but they have chosen the best setting. The higher regen setting on the CR-V may have resulted in a MPG closer to the RAV4. I say use the best settings available from the manufacturer when running a test when there are choices available. Thanks
I like the looks of the Honda, also the interior looks much better in the Honda. Rav 4 does have better efficiency though, but I like the CR-V's AWD system more. Both are great SUVs
I am a certified Honda technician, my wife owned a 14 rav4 limited with 106k miles on it. Still in excellent condition and running strong. I do all maintenance and repairs, we just gave this vehicle to my daughter. My wife just purchased 22 Crv hybrid and loves it. Both vehicles are reliable if you keep up your maintenance on them.
So the Toyota Hybrid wins the MPG contest and the Honda takes the trophy in the prior "slip" test of traction in adverse conditions. Makes the choice between the CR-V Hybrid and the RAV4 Hybrid even more difficult depending on one's priorities.
Make more research on the Honda system when driven on a flat motorway. Honda has a fixed mechanical gear for 60mph. This test is good and I like it as it is my usage case (mountains) but for flat motorways, it will be different. I do not hate on either of the brand. I just like mechanics ;)
I have the 2017 honda crv not hyvrid. and it’s averaging 30mpg combined city highway. I abuse it and don’t take care of it like a baby. Took it to 8hr trips and still holds up. I love it.
I prefer the style of the Rav4 over the CRV, but the CRV has the better drivetrain overall. That physical AWD connection that won't leave you with a FWD car when the battery is out of charge. Yes it saps some economy out of it, but the Rav has some interior/comfort trade-offs that kill it for me; It feels claustrophobic. Though, Honda missed an opportunity to put their updated infotainment into the CRV with the refresh.
Ryan Slemmer the battery will never be out of charge. Have you ever driven a hybrid? The gasoline engine will run to keep you at optimum charge level. The Toyota system is proven reliability that has been around for decades. The Honda system is new and unproven. How can you say it is better?
@@JHuffPhoto For ultimate traction purposes, the CR-V with a mechanical system is going to be able to consistently and reliably get power to move the rear wheels; Therefore it WILL be better. Have you never driven or seen a hybrid E-AWD system driven in a snow covered region that hasn't really been plowed or treated? Furthermore, these E-AWD systems are mostly intended to be used as traction aids, not part of the full normal drivetrain. Being that they are entirely reliant on the battery to operate, there is programming that will tell the car how and where to send power. Toyotas system, must prioritize the front wheels, since those can be run on any combination of ways their system can, not just a battery operated electric motor like their rear wheels. In the snowbelt, a situation where you have untreated roads to contend with including hills, it is entirely possible that you may not have enough of a battery charge or may run down the battery to the point that it cannot be sufficiently charged to power the rear wheels consistently/continuously. A running ICE is NOT a guarantee that the battery is being charged let alone to an optimum level, when that engine is also tasked with driving the front wheels especially in high demand situation as hill climbing, or driving through snowy un/poorly treated roads. Have I driven a Toyota hybrid no. Have I ridden in a Toyota hybrid yes, and the battery was run down. I have also seen Toyota Hybrid AWD system stuck or struggling to send power to the rear. Even TFL has a video of the CR-V Hybrid Vs the Rav-4 Hybrid where the CR-Vs AWD system outperforms the Ravs. th-cam.com/video/6N6T1oF2Ee4/w-d-xo.html SO as I said above, the Toyota will be left in FWD only mode when the battery drains, or the rear electric motors overheat; Where the CRV will still have power going to the rear wheels in a situation where extended AWD system use is needed. Toyotas hybrid system was designed around being front drive, with AWD being a later addition. Until they go full EV with AWD and a larger battery pack and beefier rear motors and power distribution logic to handle full time propulsion duties, their system won't be as capable.
@@717dash_cam While both of these vehicles have an adequate AWD system I acknowledge that if you regularly put 3 of your wheels on rollers and expect one of the rear wheels to get you unstuck the CR-V wins. If I have to drive in extreme snowy untreated conditions then neither of these vehicles would be my choice. Yes I have driven an E-AWD system although not in particularly challenging conditions. However the AWD portion of the drive train is just one piece of the puzzle. Toyota has proven that their Hybrid system provides rock solid reliability and durability. The Honda system may be great as well but it is at this time unproven. Another thing is that I can assure you that if your battery in your RAV 4 hybrid runs down to 0 while your ICE is running then you have a serious malfunction. As far as the power of the rear motor I believe I heard Tommy say it was 67 HP which in pretty much any normal condition should be more than adequate. I am not saying that the CR-V is a bad vehicle. On the contrary I like many things about it. However if I were in the market for a small SUV I would choose more on styling than the ability of the AWD in extreme conditions. I would also carefully consider whether or not a hybrid made sense given the price difference. If my primary concern were one of durability then I would choose the Toyota based on past performance. Bottom line is I think both are good choices and if you were to flip a coin you would be happy either way.
@@JHuffPhoto Personally, I would probably go CR-V, out of these two just because I've driven a current gen Rav-4 and found the gas pedal to be uncomfortable, after I've had several injuries to my right ankle. With it being floor mounted the angle and movement of it just aren't comfortable to me, I had the same issue with a Tuscon I've had as a rental. Ultimately, I have a 19 Forester Sport. I don't care as much about styling, but know their AWD system. Though now that I have an SUV we aren't getting the snow we were when I had my Legacies, which were both beasts in deeper snow. The CR-V looks like a chipmunk with it's cheeks filled, or like it just had its wisdom teeth removed to me; At least it did before the refresh. Rav is handsome and sporty, but a little claustrophobic to me as well. Overall, there are better choices than the 3 I've listed, but they're the ones that will hold their value and sell in droves.
Tommy at 9:50... "The interior of the Rav4 Hybrid feels entirely different than the interior of the Rav4 Hybrid". 😂😂😂. How different Tommy? Maybe CRV hybrid. Lol
Tommy and Roman, thanks for doing road test on these suv hybrids. We have 2017 and 2019 Accord hybrids and 2019 Insight, their mpg dropped once passing 75mph, likes down to 44 highway. If driving between 60-68, mpg is between 49-53 on highway (EXL and LX models). The Insight gets between 49-61 mpg on highway if between 60-68 driving, it dropped if passing 75 mph to 41-45 mpg (LX model). So the RAV4 hybrid is a better buy in my opinion.
If anything, it seems unfair to NOT mess with the paddle shifters. The point was to get the most out of the car while still driving relatively normally; I'd call adjusting the regen and running modes "normal".
Great video I just wanted to mention one thing I have one. the 16 rav hybrid and a 2020 rav hybboth are great vehicles what I like about them they got 20 years of experience making hybrids
38 F is not cold for EVs. Batteries operate just fine in 38 degree weather, especially considering the battery is already warm from driving it up a mountain. We can achieve over EPA range with temperatures around freezing in a Kia e-Niro, and that's including a cold soaked battery, if you'd call 30-40 F cold soaked.... maybe for the mild Colorado winters. Cabin heating may consume more power at 38F. But then we have to get into specific heating systems with various manufacturers. A heat pump heating system will consume about the same as an AC compressor (at those mild temperatures) and should come out ahead in cabin heating efficiency. You guys should know, you already tested it in the e Niro... I'm assuming you had the cabin heat on?
???? Lol. How does it lo like a mini van ? You need to get your eyes checked. Looks like a Lexus , but with an H instead of an L. Sharp sophisticated looking SUV , you don't have taste that's for sure
Were both cars near equal on the total vehicle miles? I think I heard it said that the Toyota had been used in other tests and the Honda was brand new. Modern cars like most mechanical devices will run better when fully worn-in plus with enough drive cycles the PCM will optimize vehicle performance to match how it is driven. My GMC Canyon gets almost 10 MPG better mileage @ 160K than when it was new.
Does that mean that when the RAV4's (hybrid) battery is drained it will be 100% FWD? ie if you go out on an unpaved road needing 4x4, which I know... it's not really designed for and most people won't do anyway, but just wondering.
I think that pricing difference would play a significant factor for people who are looking at these. Comparing price per mile using an arbitrary (but decently average for non Covid-19 Georgia) $2.50/gal, you’d have to drive over 200k miles to make up the extra $2,000 up front. If you’re driving a hybrid, you probably don’t care all too much about having a more sporty ride either so it would make sense to me to take the better interior at a lower price.
@@Phrancis5 I would be comparing how much you'd have to drive these compared to their cheaper gas models if I was saying that people are in this market for only financial reasons. I'm simply saying the extra $2,000 will not be justifiable to every consumer
Just did some cursory math. Over the course of 100,000 miles, considering the difference in the purchase price, the difference in fuel cost, and maintenance of a CR-V EX-L and a RAV4 XSE, there are about $700 in savings in favor of the Honda. Fuel mileage alone, if you're a long term owner, doesn't tell the entire story. I'll be calling a couple of dealers to get a better grip on maintenance costs. In the end, buy what you like, they're going to cost you almost the same.
I bought my RAV4 XSE for $30,000 USD all in cash (taxes included). Please provide numbers you used to compare including maintenance. Keep in mind Toyota has higher reliability and and the non-lithium battery will last longer before needing replacement, especially in cold climates.
This test was uphill and below 60 mph so Honda most likely would not use the mechanical gear for the highway. With ordinary (flat) driveway Honda has an advantage due to the mechanical gear connection.
At least in North America, the price has come down. It's only a $1000 premium to upgrade from a LE AWD to LE Hybrid AWD. Honestly pretty affordable, and there's always the used market to consider as well. Toyota hybrids are known for being very reliable in the long-term.
@@timjohnson1199 Maverick is a cool hyper efficient entry level c... err vehicle. Cheaper than a corolla, more utility than... any car lol The only thing I didn't like about it, it's very poorly equipped, even the most expensive trim for 31k has way less features than rav4 XLE hybrid for 31k and is more comparable to Toyota's cheapest trim LE hybrid. And base ford maverick is amazing value at 20k, beats just about anything, but there's nothing, no AWD, no power seats, no climate control, NO CRUISE control!. Nothing. Bare bones.
@@artemaung5274 For 26k my Maverick will have power seats (don't need them), cruise control, no awd (don't want it), no CD player (want it), and a bunch of other things. There's more I could have ordered that I didn't want.
Definitely with the fluctuation of gas prices the Toyota Rav4 Hybrid is a clear winner here. I would like to ask one question though is the mechanical 4 wheel drive in the Honda engaged at all times even coming down the hill? It seems that the Toyota's four wheel drive motor comes on only when it needs to and that could be the difference in the mileage chart.
The RAV4 hybrid has a problem with the fuel tank filler tube where is shuts off too early not allowing as much gas as the tank is capable of receiving. This may be why the numbers on the RAV4 are favorable. I currently own a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid and the gas tank problem is a big one.
I test took both cars for a test drive drive and agree that the Rav4 is more fun to drive more reactive on the acceleration especially when overtaking.The CRV is better internal space wise,but the RAV4 is quieter on highway speeds less road noise and unless you have the heads-up display in the CRV i find the positioning of the display is better in the RAV4,i'm heavy on the gas pedal but still manage to do 39.9 MPG in mixed driving
I test drove both and found quite the opposite as far as comfort and ride quality go. The Toyota interior felt way less refined and more noisy compared to the Honda.
In the manual of CR-V it says that you should use sport mode for mountain. I've done the same mistake believing that normal mode is the one I should use then the difference when you follow the manual...it's big
I prefer the rav4, which is weird for me to say. Also I recall Toyota stating that the nickel metal hydride is better in cold climates compared to lithium ion. But ultimately if your on the taller side it don't leave much room in the back, compared to a camry or accord. I'm right at 6' and it was tight in the back trying to sit behind myself.
Toyota has proven their nickel hydride batteries work over two decades. Other manufactures are still learning to build reliable Hybrids. I am about 6'3" with a long torso. I could just manage to get my head under the roof of a RAV4 without a sunroof. I did manage to fit behind myself with the seat all the way back. While visiting that dealership I decided to compare headroom with a nearby 2019 Yaris hatch . Guess which model had more headroom. TNGA is not aimed at tall drivers.
CRV has a superior ride quality in the gas models but I just bought a RAV4 Hybrid this week. My reasoning....the CRV hybrid doesn’t have a spare tire. The battery takes up space in the trunk. I think once they redesign and place their battery in a better spot....it’ll be awesome. Both cars are great. I’m usually a Honda person but I’m loving my RAV4 Hybrid Limited AWD! Drives better than the gas version.
Roman is a genius: "Which one of your toes look better" pretty much describes all SUVs. Thanks TFL for some great scenes during lock-down. I put my RAV4 Hybrid in Drift mode to have some fun.
Did the batteries go empty while driving up? How long does it take or how hard do you have to push them to go empty, and what happens after that? Do they leave enough juice for a quick acceleration if needed?
If you chose the Toyota for its fuel efficiency, then likely, owners would actually drive it in ECO mode. It would be a useful test to see how their systems compare in reducing electrical output(heating/cooling),acceleration resistance and performance for better MPG.
I drive mine in Normal mode. The reason is that it's easier / faster to come to speed and then back off to maintain. It's that pulse and glide thing. I've tried both and find that in town, the mileage is slightly better in normal mode. On the highway, I switch to eco due to the lack of stop / go.
I'm a Honda guy and I would choose the CR-v. I drive a 2019 Honda Insight EX and average 53.5 in the city and 58.5 on the highway but I drive conservatively. I was at the Honda dealership today and took a CR-v EX hybrid for a test drive and while it's nice I prefer my sedan. There is a BIG difference in the ride quality and I'd hate to give up 12 -15 mpg. If I could afford it I'd have the CR-v hybrid and my Insight EX.
Does the Toyota Rav4 Hybrid XSE have stiffer suspension/shock-absorber comparing to other versions of the Rav4? Because I've driven the Rav4 Sport version which has stiff suspension setup and I can feel every bump on the road.
Yes that blue color suspension is the sports suspension, its stiffer than other version of RAV4, stiffer suspension will make sure you don't lean so much during cornering and the ride is not bumpy. On contrary, soft suspension will have a nice ride like you have a very good cushion.
They make a non-hybrid AWD version, so they need the transmission tunnel and they're not going to spend the money for separate floor pan stampings for the different driveline configurations.
If you know how to use the paddles correctly on the CRV, you're set. I wanted a RAV4 Hybrid, which I still love, but I don't regret buying my CRV hybrid AWD.
I think it's a case of how much MPG are you willing to sacrifice for a probable smoother car and a driveshaft AWD? For me, I have a Rav4 XSE on order and have no regret. That said, I'm sure I'd be happy with the Honda too.
It's also using a Lithium Ion battery, which is markedly less efficient in cold temperatures compared to the NiMH battery in the RAV4. That driveshaft definitely has more of an effect, but they would have been closer in warmer temperatures.
tmwall25 before you talk that ish, you should probably do some better research...I’ll let you slide THIS TIME, and blame it on the rona virus in your brain...the diameter size for the tires on the RAV4 is 28.6”, diameter size for the tires on the CRV are 29.2”. So you’re DEAD WRONG about that. SECONDLY, the RAV4 tires are 4 pounds LIGHTER, per tire, than the CRV tires. Judging by your ignorance on this matter, I’m guessing you’re unable to calculate the weight difference here....that’s a total of 16 POUNDS less for the RAV4 tires versus the CRV tires. All of this WILL have a small affect on fuel economy when all is said and done. Class is over bro!! Stay safe!! ✌🏻😎
The hybrid system in the CRV works completely different than the one in the RAV4. That is the big difference. Honda keeps trying to come up with a better system when Toyota already has the best system.
Great comparison of 2 popular suvs. Would you please do a similar test with the '23 CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 Hybrid vehicles. Please consider some around town (city) driving.
The RAV4 transaxle is of course is not anything like other “CVT” transmissions as there is no slipping belt, etc. I like it, personally. There are no belts, no timing chains on the engine either.
personally i would go for the crv its 4 wheel drive system is amazing and better than the rav 4. it looks very nice so my personal choice would be the crv
Why do the MPG seem to vary wildly between people driving the RAV4 in the US to Europe. People are saying they get 47mpg in the uk... maybe because of lots of city driving?
Viewed from U.K. and a great fun test. No doubt the Toyota wins on fuel (although you didn’t use the paddles) but I think the Honda looks better and wins on space.
Pretty clear that a regular CR-V is a more spacious and comfortable choice, but once you compare hybrid to hybrid the Toyota becomes competitive again. Thanks for the review.
Hi guys from South Africa. Maybe give some info regarding the different transmissions in the Hybrids? Just stating CVT does not so justice to the mechanical simplicity of the systems.
Thanks for comparison review. I like quality of my Rav4. However bulky seats make less leg space. Rear seat doesn't slide anymore. Front passenger seat could be better and have ability go motorized up and down . However I see many people choosing CRV now, gess is due to larger space. I drove 2 Hondas in past and unfortunately each one had body and mechanical flaws. Since then we had 5 toyotas in our family and resale value after years was the best. Thank again for honest review
2 questions... Why do the car computers almost always shows better mpg than manually calculated? Have you tested (would you test) the Ford escape hybrid?.
lol The computers show better MPG results because it is to the manufacturers' benefit to have the driver think the car is getting better mileage than it actually is. But admittedly, various TFL videos show that a lot of times the dashboard readout and the pump calculation is extremely close, and that's obviously a good thing.
@@occckid123 Same thing on my 2011 Sonata, at least 1 mpg too high on the dash. I've noticed the same "optimistic" readout on at least a half dozen rental cars, too. Some of the TFL tests have been like that, but some have also shown to be too close to be concerned about.
The Honda CR-V Hybrid technically does not have a Transmission. It does have a transaxle that can change between EV Mode, Series hybrid, and the ICE. There is a very good video on TH-cam by Professor John Kelly at Weber State University titled “Understanding the Honda E-Drive”. Professor Kelly also does a great video on the Rave4 Hybrid drive system as well. If shows all the components and how they all work together.
If you ignore the regeneration feature on the CR-V (all trim levels have this feature) because none of the RAV4 have this, you are not fairly comparing the two cars. What you are doing is designing your 'test' to favor the Toyota.
The 10% delta is basically driving line loss for the Crv that with that mechanical AWD, both are great even considering the CRV as this almost 7$ a gallon gas in SoCal painful
IMHO old money gravitate towards CRV, and technocrats favor RAV4..still don't know much about CRV transmission, being push button and a sprinkle of magic dust..btw loving my CRV1.5turbo with cvt, no shift shock and gear hunting
A comparison should be fair: this comparison hobbles the Honda. The CR-V steering wheel paddles for regenerative braking were not used in this comparison. However, CR-V drivers may use these paddles to charge the battery for its electric motor, thus converting kinetic energy to electricity and extending overall MPG.
I have a 2019 Rav4 hybrid and I think that reason that Toyota made it AWD is not for all weather capability but to get the extra regenerative capability from the second electric motor. Mine does have the gas tank issue where it seems that you can't fill it to capacity, it comes up short by about 2 gallons and I get a full to empty range of about 475 miles around town.
There is a video on youtube where someone tries to run out of gas..Even after he hit empty he had like 200 miles before it was completely dead...I think the problem is that even though it says empty there is a couple gallon still left in the tank which doesn't allow it to be filled completely. It might also be a factory defect but check out the video and see what you think.
I would never buy a hybrid vehicle anyway the resale value is horrible nobody wants old technology and old batteries even my friend who owns a dealership told me .And lithium ion batteries in cold climate stink!
Well put together vid👍awesome test of these AWD SUV👍
We just bought one Saturday, and we absolutely love our RAV4. And, my wife averaged 41mpg going to work. She works on a mountain here in Tennessee, and has about an 1hr 10min drive to work. Best purchase of our lives, as far as cars go.
Love the channel, but your dad made a false generalization.
It's a mistake to compare the CVT transmission of the Honda to the solidly geared, BULLETPROOF eCVT in the RAV4 hybrid platform.
I've had a RAV4 XSE for almost a year now and I've never once averaged less than 41MPG in it throughout any tank of gas I've put into it. Best I got was just shy of 50mpg. Thats nuts for an SUV.
It is a very impressive accomplishment from Toyota. Have you seen the RAV4 Hybrid tow tests on Alex on Autos?
Dustin Lambert I have a 2020 RAV4 XLE , And I have been amazed with the mileage this SUV gets first tank 49 miles per gallon my second tank has been almost 51 miles per gallon. Most of my mileage has been stop and go with nothing over 60 mph. Yes I do understand that driving on interstate over 70 dramatically lowers miles per gallon.Yes I’ve had many Toyota hybrids. By far this is the best one I have owned. The only thing that I really don’t like about this car are the factory tires, they are firestone, My next set will be Michelin.
All Toyota s I had got more gas then it showed in commercial
Toyota are liars
My XLE 2wd 39
Have a Corolla hybrid, never got less than 55mpg.. up as high as 80
RAV 4. 41.4 MPG
CRV. 35.2 MPG
Thivakar saravanamuthu but the Honda looks better! No joke
And the RAV4 looks much better too. Much more masculine.
@@matthewlocke9225 looks are personal .I personally love the look of the Rav4 but the Crvs good
What they don’t talk about which was the deal breaker for me is that Honda does not have a compartment for a spare tire and the Toyota does.
@@alphach1mp Funny think because one of my friend got a flat today and he had to wait about 4 hours for the tow to come cause he didn't have a spare tire.
Toyota still tops the hybrid system technology It's the most dependable way to go hybrid
Agreed. I put 325K on a 2005 Prius with only one hybrid battery pack change over 15 years of service.
Jacob Dawson it was around 12 years in at around 230K miles.
@Sal Vastola as a owner of the fusion, you wont be disappointed.
@@JHuffPhoto how much did you spend for the battery pack change?
@@popeyerubi1981 $1500
We just bought a 2020 CR-V hybrid EX and we’re averaging 47mpg in the city easily. I know of 2 other CRV hybrid drivers that are getting similar mileage and that with the AC on.
The CR-V is way, way more refined and solid vehicle that the RAV 4 and everything inside and out is more premium and safer and has way more options in little things you don’t think of as important like rain sensing wipers and climate control remote start but once you have them it’s hard to argue against their convenience. Toyotas are known for efficiency and that often comes at a cost. Yeah overall you get a few more miles per gallon on average. Probably busy doing mostly city driving. I think the CRV is the better choice hands down.
i’m happy to see the car mpg numbers are quite accurate. they used to be way off
I'm quite impressed by the RAV4, it's crazy to be able to get 40mpg in a 200+ up SUV, and I'm happy those numbers weren't a lie
That's because it uses an electric motor for the rear wheel so it does not take a hit on fuel economy vs the CR-V's real AWD.
@@AdmiralCecil yes. I know the CRV has "real" AWD but for most people the regular RAV4 Hybrid's AWD system would still be enough, throw some snow tires on it, and you would be golden
41 mpg is really impressive for an SUV, let alone a 200+ HP one.
Yes true. I'm waiting for the day it comes to 50mpg minimum for city. I'll purchase it then
@@jinuj4418 you're probably looking for the plugin hybrid rav4 prime coming later
@@-VX- Oh no not yet. I meant down the road when toyota eventually redesigns the vehicle/ hybrid system. Probably 10 years from now. By then I will need a new car. May even check out the plug in - like you mentioned.
My BMW X3 28d diesel consistently gets me 47mpg on the hwy. These numbers aren't that impressive.
@@ivalterbaptista2305 Yes they are. Gasoline engines have always had less efficiency than diesels so this achievement is very good. As well as not requiring so much after treatment as diesels. Or expensive build materials. As much as diesels can still do long runs, they're costlier, heavier and more complicated to maintain that gasoline ones.
Toyota just knows how to get REALLY GOOD mpg. The Prius, love it or hate it, has been around for a long time. That has given Toyota plenty of data on how to get the best mpg.
I own a 2019 Corolla hatchback. Obviously, not a hybrid setup. It's rated at 32mpg city, 42 mpg highway. Getting 32 in the city is slightly harder, but easily doable. The highway rating, on the other hand, is extremely easy to top. I've driven the same 105 mile trip several times and regularly get 45- 48 MPG. The difference is with A/C off or my cruising speed. To me, that's damn good considering the car has more than enough power to climb a hill and pass on a hill. Cruising at 85, which isn't actually legal, still gets me 40- 42 MPG..
Correct. Toyota regularly exceeds their highway mpg figures and that is a rare achievement in this industry. Even my 05 Vibe (5 speed manual) beats the official numbers. As my name suggests, I drive at the speed limit. As good as your Corolla hatch numbers are, the 4 cylinder Camry impresses me more. Car & Driver got 45 mpg in their 200 mile highway test at 75 mpg. As I am not a fan of turbos I would like to see the mileage and performance of that 2.5 engine offered to Corolla buyers. Do you have the CVT or the 6 speed hatch? The rpm of the CVT is incredibly low at highway speed.
Those are standard numbers for modern small cars. With the Corolla though, you get the storage space of cars a whole class smaller, so maybe it's fairer to compare to smaller cars, in which case it looks worse. The Toyota 2.5 running 14:1 compression like in the RAV4 is certainly more impressive. Still, cars from all the manufacturers are quite impressive these days but hopefully the Corolla gets more improvements soon.
@@mikk999 if you compare it to a sub compact, 169hp is at the top of the list. Sub compacts struggle to match those mpg numbers with smaller engines.
@@rightlanehog3151 I owned a 19' with a manual that was totaled after I owned it for 2 months. A full sized pickup rear ended me on the freeway. Everyone in my car walked away with minor whiplash.. Anyway. I bought a automatic after that to replace it. I'm getting 4 mpg or more both in town and on the freeway with the automatic. It barely turns 2,100 RPM at 78MPH on the freeway
@@kevina2052 2,100 rpm at 78 is amazing for a 2.0 gasoline engine but I would hate to give up my manual. For comparison sake, my old 1.8 Corolla engine with a 5 speed turns 2,500 rpm at our 100 kmh (62 mph) speed limit. It is too bad they can't spread the gear ratios a bit more on the current 6 speed manual to get the revs in overdrive closer to the level of the CVT. It is time for an 8 speed manual from Toyota! As impressive as your mpg numbers are, I would still like to see what the 203 hp 2.5 Camry engine would achieve in a much lighter Corolla.
I bought the 2021 Rav 4 hybrid. I love it! I can hear wind noise but I do not mind it. I am not a fuel efficient driver but I still get 41 mpg. I am very happy with my purchase.
Just editorial: title should read "Toyota RAV4 Hybrid vs..."?
I AM impressed, that the RAV4 mpg display was pretty much honest. That's a refreshing change.
It depends a lot on how the driver drives the car. The regen shifter on the CRV is meant to be used. Honda didn't want the sudden brake of the battery regen system whenever you lift your feet off the accelerator. So you can adjust it in realtime with the regen shifter.
It has not been used at all during this comparison... I believe the RAV-4 is slighty better in term of mpg but the number on the CR-V aren't real. I can reach 47 mpg with my CR-V in the city.
exactly my thoughts...just because the Rav4 doesn't have regen braking doesn't mean you shouldn't use it on the CRV, the downhill with the regen at max would have definitely improve the consumption figures for the CRV. so we didn't get a fair comparison in the end.
I always have the eco mode engaged in my 2017 Honda CRV turbocharged AWD
The RAV4 Prime is going to be a beast
If you want to pay those robbing bastards at the dealership. Minimum mark up $3000. They have two at Simi Valley unsold. Go figure
I want one but it's literally $8k more than the one I'm going to get. Only want for the plug in
I've had my RAV4 Hybrid XSE for over a month now and I love it. There are parts of me that regret not getting the JBL speakers and panaromic roof but that doesn't change how the car drives.
Does it still bother you now still or it has passed?
@@kervynetongco9209 time heals all wounds… but memeing aside, I’d also like to know. Def gonna get the jbl setup if I do go for one since remote start is part of that package. Toyota really pulling a cable company move there
There is NO CVT in the Honda.
In fact, there is no transmission there at all.
The Toyota has something more similar to the CVT, the planetary gear power split device, but even that's not a CVT.
Surmoka you are correct but at least Toyota (not sure about Honda) refers to their system as having an “eCVT”. Fact is most people can not comprehend a car not having a transmission. I drive a Tesla and people ask me how many gears the transmission has. They are flabbergasted when I say “it doesn’t have a transmission”
@@JHuffPhoto yes but you gotta give people time to understand. They must break with the old concept.
For what I can understand is Honda have the similar power split device to Toyota but with a direct drive gear the reason Honda don’t have the same PSD as Toyota is because it’s patented by Toyota
I wasn't aware of the patents, but I drove both of these cars as well as a non-hybrid CX-5 and a Tiguan before I bought my gas guzzling 4Runner (crazy huh - go figure - I get from 12-20 MPG in the 'runner). My daily driver is a Camry hybrid so I'm familiar with Toyota's hybrid system.
As a driver I prefer the Toyota hybrid platform. This isn't a brand loyalty thing: I owned and loved Honda VTECs (including Acura Integras) from the late '90s through to 2010 - and I still have great memories of those cars.
@@JHuffPhoto the ecvt has a launching gear after that it switches to the belt. this is why it feels responsive at the start plus it gives the CVT belt a longer lifespan
Honda vs Toyota hybrid systems are like the stock market. Honda's system can get ridiculously high mpg (I own an insight and average 60 mpg mostly highway) but I have also seen it drop into the 40s depending on weather and hills and what not. Whereas the Toyota, you probably won't pull much more mpg than it's rated for, but it will do it more consistently. Interesting stuff, great video guys!
On a flat highway, you probably use the one ordinary gear - which gives the mechanical connection of wheel and engine. That would be very economical. This particular aspect is a plus of Honda's system.
The downside is a smaller engine - I think Honda should use 2.5l, at least in North America. In many countries in the world, the tax and insurance brackets are very expensive for anything over 2.0l so it makes sense for these.
Haha, agreed, I own a Insight touring 22 and sometimes I get 70 MPG, crazy right? But anyways Im loving this car, is enough heavy for my Windy city ( Chicago) waiting for the winter now, and it has an small tank, I just spend $25 dlllrs every 2 weeks, I love the quiet cabinet and the great feel driving, I love Honda all the time. Toyota is ridiculous expensive
@@eduardoherrera2338 Are you still liking your Insight? I'm thinking about getting an EX model, but can't seem to find any near me to test drive? Pros/Cons?
2019 rav4 xle hybrid owner and absolutely love it.
How is the ride comfort is it suitable for long journey
I’ve read where several people are getting mid 40s all the way to mid 50s in town, what’s would you say is the best mpg you can get in town? I do food delivery for a living and have been using a Prius but it just got totaled out and if I can indeed get mid 40s or higher vs mid 50s being super low to the ground I’ll happily pay a bit more in gas and monthly note. Thanks in advance.
Bad thing this car is for Grandma s
Honda has been behind with their hybrids for years. They really need to step it up. I've been thinking about getting a hybrid vehicle for a while, but I ultimately decided the fuel savings weren't good enough to justify the high price. Instead, I'm probably going to get a Rav4 Prime PHEV next year, if I can even get one given the extremely limited availability. There will only 5000 available in 2020 and 20,000 in 2021 and the same in 2022. That means if you don't already have one reserved, you likely won't get one before 2023. I know there is a battery shortage, but damn Toyota needs to figure something out because the Rav4 Prime is probably the most highly anticipated vehicle of the last 10 years.
35 mpg when climbing a mountain and back is pretty incredible too. I'm amazed everyone isn't buying hybrids already.
When I was living in Colorado it never really occurred to me that this road would be especially hard for electric cars, mostly because I don't have one. I do know smaller engine cars aren't always happy about it.
great video, guys! i test drove a crv hybrid & liked it quite a bit. but i bought a rav4 hybrid xle (non leather) bcuz i felt it’s hybrid system operated a hair smoother, and i also watched this video last year before purchasing it. it is awsum in the snow, and i average 42mpg combined in summer and about 34 combined in winter. it’s awsum, quiet, quick smooth acceleration. i’m sure either car is a good choice. i will probably never drive a non hybrid again! keep the great videos coming, fellas!
props to Honda for putting those awesome regen paddles on their standard hybrids, the only manufacturer to have adjustable regen on regular hybrids
And what would the advantage be?
@@mbsnyderc have a lot more regen power so you never use your brakes and you can actively control how much regen you want
The RAV4 hybrid also has 6 simulated gears for downshifting and regen to make those stick shift fanatics happy. I prefer to use the foot brake instead since the first few inch is also pure regen (no friction braking) and more progressive and smoother, compared to the srepwise fashion of the downshifting effort (which become cumbersome after a while).
@@markperalta2995 I have to use the brake pedal in my Fusion hybrid, no different driving modes, or regen options, unfortunately
@@azera55555 those downshifts are gimmicks to differentiate their products and attract buyers. Bottom line, just need to modulate the brake pedal for the same effect.
Wow, the RAV4 mpg is a miracle!
No, it's years of refined engineering. They learned a lot from making hybrids for 2 decades.
@@kevina2052 They also went back to improve all of the basics things of an engine. Their new dynamic force engines line-up reach the best thermal efficiency in the production !
@@djorksolo8544 I've owned a 19' Corolla hatchback for over a year now. The engine is quite impressive. The "launch gear" CVT is way better than most people would think. It does a great job of mimicking a standard geared transmission. The combo of acceleration and gas mileage is very good. It's no race car, but it's faster by FAR than a smaller, slightly lower prices hatchback. But, it meets or exceeds that smaller, slower cars gas mileage. So really, it's the best of both worlds.
@@normt5463 That's impressive, but also a diesel. We don't get small displacement diesel engines anymore. VW ruined that years ago for us.. we have to make it work with hybrid and gas
@@normt5463 Diesel is diesel, here it was gas vs gas ! We all know diesel can do better mpg. The point is, Toyota made the most thermal efficient engine in production cars. The thermal efficiency of their dynamic force engines, are getting very close to diesels. So this is quite impressive !
I'm 6'1 and the drivers seat in the Rav4 is barely adequate. In the front passenger seat, I head rubs against the ceiling if I don't recline the seat. The CRV looks tiny on the outside but is very comfortable for me in both the driver's and passenger seat. While I'd prefer the hybrid tech of a Toyota, the extra MPG isn't worth being uncomfortable for hours on end.
lol you must have gorilla arms or legs. Rav4 Hybrid was fine, I'm 6'2 and only 2500 bucks more for 39mpg vs 26 pays off fast
Yes, I'm 6 feet even, and it's very comfortable, but I can see that it's close.
What if your assumption about leaving the CR-V in its lowest regen setting is not the right choice. Toyota does not give one a choice, but they have chosen the best setting. The higher regen setting on the CR-V may have resulted in a MPG closer to the RAV4. I say use the best settings available from the manufacturer when running a test when there are choices available. Thanks
Question, so CRV has an option "regen" to last almost as much as a RAV4? Im looking to buy either a CRV or RAV4 but its a very hard decision
I like the looks of the Honda, also the interior looks much better in the Honda. Rav 4 does have better efficiency though, but I like the CR-V's AWD system more. Both are great SUVs
Changes are that the AWD system in the CRV is the reason it's efficiency is much lower. Parasitic drivetrain friction losses.
I am a certified Honda technician, my wife owned a 14 rav4 limited with 106k miles on it. Still in excellent condition and running strong. I do all maintenance and repairs, we just gave this vehicle to my daughter. My wife just purchased 22 Crv hybrid and loves it. Both vehicles are reliable if you keep up your maintenance on them.
I would love to see this same test done with the Rav Prime
So the Toyota Hybrid wins the MPG contest and the Honda takes the trophy in the prior "slip" test of traction in adverse conditions. Makes the choice between the CR-V Hybrid and the RAV4 Hybrid even more difficult depending on one's priorities.
Make more research on the Honda system when driven on a flat motorway. Honda has a fixed mechanical gear for 60mph. This test is good and I like it as it is my usage case (mountains) but for flat motorways, it will be different.
I do not hate on either of the brand. I just like mechanics ;)
I have the 2017 honda crv not hyvrid. and it’s averaging 30mpg combined city highway. I abuse it and don’t take care of it like a baby. Took it to 8hr trips and still holds up. I love it.
I prefer the style of the Rav4 over the CRV, but the CRV has the better drivetrain overall. That physical AWD connection that won't leave you with a FWD car when the battery is out of charge. Yes it saps some economy out of it, but the Rav has some interior/comfort trade-offs that kill it for me; It feels claustrophobic. Though, Honda missed an opportunity to put their updated infotainment into the CRV with the refresh.
Ryan Slemmer the battery will never be out of charge. Have you ever driven a hybrid? The gasoline engine will run to keep you at optimum charge level. The Toyota system is proven reliability that has been around for decades. The Honda system is new and unproven. How can you say it is better?
@@JHuffPhoto For ultimate traction purposes, the CR-V with a mechanical system is going to be able to consistently and reliably get power to move the rear wheels; Therefore it WILL be better. Have you never driven or seen a hybrid E-AWD system driven in a snow covered region that hasn't really been plowed or treated? Furthermore, these E-AWD systems are mostly intended to be used as traction aids, not part of the full normal drivetrain. Being that they are entirely reliant on the battery to operate, there is programming that will tell the car how and where to send power. Toyotas system, must prioritize the front wheels, since those can be run on any combination of ways their system can, not just a battery operated electric motor like their rear wheels.
In the snowbelt, a situation where you have untreated roads to contend with including hills, it is entirely possible that you may not have enough of a battery charge or may run down the battery to the point that it cannot be sufficiently charged to power the rear wheels consistently/continuously. A running ICE is NOT a guarantee that the battery is being charged let alone to an optimum level, when that engine is also tasked with driving the front wheels especially in high demand situation as hill climbing, or driving through snowy un/poorly treated roads. Have I driven a Toyota hybrid no. Have I ridden in a Toyota hybrid yes, and the battery was run down. I have also seen Toyota Hybrid AWD system stuck or struggling to send power to the rear. Even TFL has a video of the CR-V Hybrid Vs the Rav-4 Hybrid where the CR-Vs AWD system outperforms the Ravs. th-cam.com/video/6N6T1oF2Ee4/w-d-xo.html
SO as I said above, the Toyota will be left in FWD only mode when the battery drains, or the rear electric motors overheat; Where the CRV will still have power going to the rear wheels in a situation where extended AWD system use is needed. Toyotas hybrid system was designed around being front drive, with AWD being a later addition. Until they go full EV with AWD and a larger battery pack and beefier rear motors and power distribution logic to handle full time propulsion duties, their system won't be as capable.
@@717dash_cam While both of these vehicles have an adequate AWD system I acknowledge that if you regularly put 3 of your wheels on rollers and expect one of the rear wheels to get you unstuck the CR-V wins. If I have to drive in extreme snowy untreated conditions then neither of these vehicles would be my choice. Yes I have driven an E-AWD system although not in particularly challenging conditions. However the AWD portion of the drive train is just one piece of the puzzle. Toyota has proven that their Hybrid system provides rock solid reliability and durability. The Honda system may be great as well but it is at this time unproven. Another thing is that I can assure you that if your battery in your RAV 4 hybrid runs down to 0 while your ICE is running then you have a serious malfunction. As far as the power of the rear motor I believe I heard Tommy say it was 67 HP which in pretty much any normal condition should be more than adequate. I am not saying that the CR-V is a bad vehicle. On the contrary I like many things about it. However if I were in the market for a small SUV I would choose more on styling than the ability of the AWD in extreme conditions. I would also carefully consider whether or not a hybrid made sense given the price difference. If my primary concern were one of durability then I would choose the Toyota based on past performance. Bottom line is I think both are good choices and if you were to flip a coin you would be happy either way.
@@JHuffPhoto Personally, I would probably go CR-V, out of these two just because I've driven a current gen Rav-4 and found the gas pedal to be uncomfortable, after I've had several injuries to my right ankle. With it being floor mounted the angle and movement of it just aren't comfortable to me, I had the same issue with a Tuscon I've had as a rental. Ultimately, I have a 19 Forester Sport. I don't care as much about styling, but know their AWD system. Though now that I have an SUV we aren't getting the snow we were when I had my Legacies, which were both beasts in deeper snow. The CR-V looks like a chipmunk with it's cheeks filled, or like it just had its wisdom teeth removed to me; At least it did before the refresh. Rav is handsome and sporty, but a little claustrophobic to me as well. Overall, there are better choices than the 3 I've listed, but they're the ones that will hold their value and sell in droves.
Tommy at 9:50... "The interior of the Rav4 Hybrid feels entirely different than the interior of the Rav4 Hybrid". 😂😂😂. How different Tommy? Maybe CRV hybrid. Lol
Tommy on the Rav4 Hybrid: This awd system is really cool.
Also Rav4 Hybrid AWD: Spanked by the Honda on the TFL slip test.
Yes, Meant CR-V hybrid ha!
I actually had to reply that part 3 time to make sure I heard correctly. That was a blooper, but at lest we know what he meant to say.
This confused me too! Glad I’ve not gone mad, Tommy however... 😂
Hahahaha honda dashboard average mpg=35.2 lets see 149.9\4.255=35.2 oh that’s pretty close to what the honda said!! Actually that’s what honda said!!
We bought the RAV4 XSE with the same color scheme. We have been averaging just over 41 MPG in ours.
Tommy and Roman, thanks for doing road test on these suv hybrids. We have 2017 and 2019 Accord hybrids and 2019 Insight, their mpg dropped once passing 75mph, likes down to 44 highway. If driving between 60-68, mpg is between 49-53 on highway (EXL and LX models). The Insight gets between 49-61 mpg on highway if between 60-68 driving, it dropped if passing 75 mph to 41-45 mpg (LX model). So the RAV4 hybrid is a better buy in my opinion.
Not surprising. Highway testing by the EPA is conducted at 55mph
If anything, it seems unfair to NOT mess with the paddle shifters. The point was to get the most out of the car while still driving relatively normally; I'd call adjusting the regen and running modes "normal".
Great video I just wanted to mention one thing I have one. the 16 rav hybrid and a 2020 rav hybboth are great vehicles what I like about them they got 20 years of experience making hybrids
38 F is not cold for EVs. Batteries operate just fine in 38 degree weather, especially considering the battery is already warm from driving it up a mountain. We can achieve over EPA range with temperatures around freezing in a Kia e-Niro, and that's including a cold soaked battery, if you'd call 30-40 F cold soaked.... maybe for the mild Colorado winters.
Cabin heating may consume more power at 38F. But then we have to get into specific heating systems with various manufacturers. A heat pump heating system will consume about the same as an AC compressor (at those mild temperatures) and should come out ahead in cabin heating efficiency. You guys should know, you already tested it in the e Niro... I'm assuming you had the cabin heat on?
This is actually very nice test in cold weather. Hybrids economy drops significantly in winter
Rav4 looks like a compact SUV. CR-V looks like a mini-minivan. I'd drive a Rav4 in a heartbeat.
???? Lol. How does it lo like a mini van ? You need to get your eyes checked. Looks like a Lexus , but with an H instead of an L. Sharp sophisticated looking SUV , you don't have taste that's for sure
@@elgreeko6241 somebody is butt hurt that the car you drive is ugly
@@elgreeko6241 looks like the only one needing eye check is you. It completely looks like a mini van grandma car 😂
Were both cars near equal on the total vehicle miles? I think I heard it said that the Toyota had been used in other tests and the Honda was brand new. Modern cars like most mechanical devices will run better when fully worn-in plus with enough drive cycles the PCM will optimize vehicle performance to match how it is driven. My GMC Canyon gets almost 10 MPG better mileage @ 160K than when it was new.
Does that mean that when the RAV4's (hybrid) battery is drained it will be 100% FWD? ie if you go out on an unpaved road needing 4x4, which I know... it's not really designed for and most people won't do anyway, but just wondering.
Wondering the same.
I think that pricing difference would play a significant factor for people who are looking at these. Comparing price per mile using an arbitrary (but decently average for non Covid-19 Georgia) $2.50/gal, you’d have to drive over 200k miles to make up the extra $2,000 up front. If you’re driving a hybrid, you probably don’t care all too much about having a more sporty ride either so it would make sense to me to take the better interior at a lower price.
That would assume that everyone buys EVs and hybrids only for financial reasons and not for environmental and sometimes performance factors.
@@Phrancis5 I would be comparing how much you'd have to drive these compared to their cheaper gas models if I was saying that people are in this market for only financial reasons. I'm simply saying the extra $2,000 will not be justifiable to every consumer
Both are very identical, I'd buy the rav4. Test drive them both because it really comes down to which one you like the best.
Just did some cursory math. Over the course of 100,000 miles, considering the difference in the purchase price, the difference in fuel cost, and maintenance of a CR-V EX-L and a RAV4 XSE, there are about $700 in savings in favor of the Honda. Fuel mileage alone, if you're a long term owner, doesn't tell the entire story. I'll be calling a couple of dealers to get a better grip on maintenance costs. In the end, buy what you like, they're going to cost you almost the same.
I bought my RAV4 XSE for $30,000 USD all in cash (taxes included). Please provide numbers you used to compare including maintenance. Keep in mind Toyota has higher reliability and and the non-lithium battery will last longer before needing replacement, especially in cold climates.
This test was uphill and below 60 mph so Honda most likely would not use the mechanical gear for the highway. With ordinary (flat) driveway Honda has an advantage due to the mechanical gear connection.
Bingo! The Honda is a better value. The math simply does not add up for a loaded XSE vs a touring CRV if you are wanting to save money.
you forgot to factor in the resale value at 100k on each vehicle.
@@romerom220 valid point. Sedans usually plummet in value.
At 8:50 I have never heard a better description of two cars in my life. I do actually like both designs, but those descriptions are unbeatable.
41MPG overall. unreal numbers. hybrids are totally viable if the cost could come down a bit i would get one in a heart beat.
At least in North America, the price has come down. It's only a $1000 premium to upgrade from a LE AWD to LE Hybrid AWD. Honestly pretty affordable, and there's always the used market to consider as well. Toyota hybrids are known for being very reliable in the long-term.
I just bought a XLT hybrid Maverick truck loaded with plenty of options for $25k. Love it.
@@timjohnson1199 Maverick is a cool hyper efficient entry level c... err vehicle. Cheaper than a corolla, more utility than... any car lol
The only thing I didn't like about it, it's very poorly equipped, even the most expensive trim for 31k has way less features than rav4 XLE hybrid for 31k and is more comparable to Toyota's cheapest trim LE hybrid.
And base ford maverick is amazing value at 20k, beats just about anything, but there's nothing, no AWD, no power seats, no climate control, NO CRUISE control!. Nothing. Bare bones.
@@artemaung5274 For 26k my Maverick will have power seats (don't need them), cruise control, no awd (don't want it), no CD player (want it), and a bunch of other things. There's more I could have ordered that I didn't want.
Definitely with the fluctuation of gas prices the Toyota Rav4 Hybrid is a clear winner here. I would like to ask one question though is the mechanical 4 wheel drive in the Honda engaged at all times even coming down the hill? It seems that the Toyota's four wheel drive motor comes on only when it needs to and that could be the difference in the mileage chart.
The RAV4 hybrid has a problem with the fuel tank filler tube where is shuts off too early not allowing as much gas as the tank is capable of receiving. This may be why the numbers on the RAV4 are favorable. I currently own a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid and the gas tank problem is a big one.
I test took both cars for a test drive drive and agree that the Rav4 is more fun to drive more reactive on the acceleration especially when overtaking.The CRV is better internal space wise,but the RAV4 is quieter on highway speeds less road noise and unless you have the heads-up display in the CRV i find the positioning of the display is better in the RAV4,i'm heavy on the gas pedal but still manage to do 39.9 MPG in mixed driving
I test drove both and found quite the opposite as far as comfort and ride quality go. The Toyota interior felt way less refined and more noisy compared to the Honda.
In the manual of CR-V it says that you should use sport mode for mountain. I've done the same mistake believing that normal mode is the one I should use then the difference when you follow the manual...it's big
I prefer the rav4, which is weird for me to say. Also I recall Toyota stating that the nickel metal hydride is better in cold climates compared to lithium ion. But ultimately if your on the taller side it don't leave much room in the back, compared to a camry or accord. I'm right at 6' and it was tight in the back trying to sit behind myself.
Toyota has proven their nickel hydride batteries work over two decades. Other manufactures are still learning to build reliable Hybrids. I am about 6'3" with a long torso. I could just manage to get my head under the roof of a RAV4 without a sunroof. I did manage to fit behind myself with the seat all the way back. While visiting that dealership I decided to compare headroom with a nearby 2019 Yaris hatch . Guess which model had more headroom. TNGA is not aimed at tall drivers.
So get a Camry or Accord hybrid. Problem solved. You're welcome.
Yes, there are 2 models of Prius, the eAWD cold climate version get the Ni-MH and the normal one get Li-ion
CRV has a superior ride quality in the gas models but I just bought a RAV4 Hybrid this week. My reasoning....the CRV hybrid doesn’t have a spare tire. The battery takes up space in the trunk. I think once they redesign and place their battery in a better spot....it’ll be awesome. Both cars are great. I’m usually a Honda person but I’m loving my RAV4 Hybrid Limited AWD! Drives better than the gas version.
I think you made the right choice.
Did the Rav 4 roof rack have an impact on MPG?
Why do RAV4 have humps in the center of rear seat, if you don’t have the shaft run underneath it??
Roman is a genius: "Which one of your toes look better" pretty much describes all SUVs. Thanks TFL for some great scenes during lock-down. I put my RAV4 Hybrid in Drift mode to have some fun.
Did the batteries go empty while driving up? How long does it take or how hard do you have to push them to go empty, and what happens after that? Do they leave enough juice for a quick acceleration if needed?
Would love to see the same test comparing Rav4 Hybrid with Ford Escape Hybrid!
If you chose the Toyota for its fuel efficiency, then likely, owners would actually drive it in ECO mode. It would be a useful test to see how their systems compare in reducing electrical output(heating/cooling),acceleration resistance and performance for better MPG.
I drive mine in Normal mode. The reason is that it's easier / faster to come to speed and then back off to maintain. It's that pulse and glide thing. I've tried both and find that in town, the mileage is slightly better in normal mode. On the highway, I switch to eco due to the lack of stop / go.
RAV also had a set of crossbars, which I’ve read can decrease the mpg by 3 mpg so prob would’ve won by an even bigger margin
I heard they're removable
Ya they are, I just meant their comparison Rav had them on
Will you do this same test with the escape hybrid
Why? It's a piece of junk.
@@iamthedutchbro the new 2020?
It’s trash
@@douglashodges545 Yep. Every automotive journalist is ripping it apart.
It won’t get epa est. ford, GMC and dodge never do. Only foreign cars do.
Why is there a center tunnel in the RAV 4 when the rear axle is independent, no drive shaft?
it the same vehicle body for the all gas version with AWD.
@@superlight47 Got it, but it sucks nonetheless. Would've been nice if they would've given it it's own identity. $$$
Poor engineering.
Because of the non-hybrid AWD versions. Toyota would have to make a different chassis for the hybrid version if they don't want that tunnel.
I'm a Honda guy and I would choose the CR-v. I drive a 2019 Honda Insight EX and average 53.5 in the city and 58.5 on the highway but I drive conservatively. I was at the Honda dealership today and took a CR-v EX hybrid for a test drive and while it's nice I prefer my sedan. There is a BIG difference in the ride quality and I'd hate to give up 12 -15 mpg. If I could afford it I'd have the CR-v hybrid and my Insight EX.
That color is really pretty on the Honda!
Does the Toyota Rav4 Hybrid XSE have stiffer suspension/shock-absorber comparing to other versions of the Rav4?
Because I've driven the Rav4 Sport version which has stiff suspension setup and I can feel every bump on the road.
the XSE Hybrid is the "luxury" model, so I doubt it.
Rav4 come in all different flavors.. xse hybrid is stiffer than the limited hybrid
Yes that blue color suspension is the sports suspension, its stiffer than other version of RAV4, stiffer suspension will make sure you don't lean so much during cornering and the ride is not bumpy. On contrary, soft suspension will have a nice ride like you have a very good cushion.
I'm surprised Rav4 has a bigger driveshaft hump when it's the one without the driveshaft
They make a non-hybrid AWD version, so they need the transmission tunnel and they're not going to spend the money for separate floor pan stampings for the different driveline configurations.
If you know how to use the paddles correctly on the CRV, you're set. I wanted a RAV4 Hybrid, which I still love, but I don't regret buying my CRV hybrid AWD.
My CRV 48,00 mpg, simpler engine
, more newton meters, better AWD, CRV Is not CVT !
Thanks great test ! You guys put on a great car show !
I think it's a case of how much MPG are you willing to sacrifice for a probable smoother car and a driveshaft AWD? For me, I have a Rav4 XSE on order and have no regret. That said, I'm sure I'd be happy with the Honda too.
Not having a driveshaft also means there are less moving parts to break down, which is also seen with hybrids, eg transmission etc
The driveshaft in the Crv is the difference .....more drivetrain drag
It's also using a Lithium Ion battery, which is markedly less efficient in cold temperatures compared to the NiMH battery in the RAV4. That driveshaft definitely has more of an effect, but they would have been closer in warmer temperatures.
Another difference, albeit a smaller one, is the CRV in this test has 19” wheels, compared to RAV4’s 18” wheels.
Lenny Garrison - the diameters, including tires is BOTH 28.5in. your point is irrelavent.
tmwall25 before you talk that ish, you should probably do some better research...I’ll let you slide THIS TIME, and blame it on the rona virus in your brain...the diameter size for the tires on the RAV4 is 28.6”, diameter size for the tires on the CRV are 29.2”. So you’re DEAD WRONG about that. SECONDLY, the RAV4 tires are 4 pounds LIGHTER, per tire, than the CRV tires. Judging by your ignorance on this matter, I’m guessing you’re unable to calculate the weight difference here....that’s a total of 16 POUNDS less for the RAV4 tires versus the CRV tires. All of this WILL have a small affect on fuel economy when all is said and done. Class is over bro!! Stay safe!! ✌🏻😎
The hybrid system in the CRV works completely different than the one in the RAV4. That is the big difference. Honda keeps trying to come up with a better system when Toyota already has the best system.
Great comparison of 2 popular suvs. Would you please do a similar test with the '23 CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 Hybrid vehicles. Please consider some around town (city) driving.
The RAV4 transaxle is of course is not anything like other “CVT” transmissions as there is no slipping belt, etc. I like it, personally. There are no belts, no timing chains on the engine either.
I love my 2021 RAV4 hybrid. We get 46 mpg around town/flat highways and fun to drive.
personally i would go for the crv its 4 wheel drive system is amazing and better than the rav 4. it looks very nice so my personal choice would be the crv
Also means you have to maintain the 4wd system on the CRV, like changing the differential fluid.
When are you guys going to review the ford escape hybrid? It should be out now.
Why do the MPG seem to vary wildly between people driving the RAV4 in the US to Europe. People are saying they get 47mpg in the uk... maybe because of lots of city driving?
Great thorough review, especially with the real MPG calculation!
Viewed from U.K. and a great fun test. No doubt the Toyota wins on fuel (although you didn’t use the paddles) but I think the Honda looks better and wins on space.
You filled up with gas but how much were the respective batteries down at the end of the test?
Pretty clear that a regular CR-V is a more spacious and comfortable choice, but once you compare hybrid to hybrid the Toyota becomes competitive again. Thanks for the review.
Hi guys from South Africa. Maybe give some info regarding the different transmissions in the Hybrids? Just stating CVT does not so justice to the mechanical simplicity of the systems.
Thanks for comparison review. I like quality of my Rav4. However bulky seats make less leg space. Rear seat doesn't slide anymore. Front passenger seat could be better and have ability go motorized up and down . However I see many people choosing CRV now, gess is due to larger space. I drove 2 Hondas in past and unfortunately each one had body and mechanical flaws. Since then we had 5 toyotas in our family and resale value after years was the best. Thank again for honest review
Which Hondas did you have?
2 questions... Why do the car computers almost always shows better mpg than manually calculated? Have you tested (would you test) the Ford escape hybrid?.
They were super close
lol The computers show better MPG results because it is to the manufacturers' benefit to have the driver think the car is getting better mileage than it actually is. But admittedly, various TFL videos show that a lot of times the dashboard readout and the pump calculation is extremely close, and that's obviously a good thing.
@@anthonyc1883 im driving a 2016 altima and its usually 1mpg high.
@@occckid123 Same thing on my 2011 Sonata, at least 1 mpg too high on the dash. I've noticed the same "optimistic" readout on at least a half dozen rental cars, too. Some of the TFL tests have been like that, but some have also shown to be too close to be concerned about.
For the same reason the speedometer usually reads a bit high.
RAV4 allows higher regen when in the “manual shift” mode (pre 2019, at least)
Priuses use the “B” drive mode down hill
That would be close to the same thing as a lightly riding the brakes though (where you only use engine breaking), would it not?
We have a 23 Rav4 hybrid and it drives and rides great. Gets about 41MPG all around without hyper mileing or driving like a grandma.
The Honda CR-V Hybrid technically does not have a Transmission. It does have a transaxle that can change between EV Mode, Series hybrid, and the ICE. There is a very good video on TH-cam by Professor John Kelly at Weber State University titled “Understanding the Honda E-Drive”. Professor Kelly also does a great video on the Rave4 Hybrid drive system as well. If shows all the components and how they all work together.
If you ignore the regeneration feature on the CR-V (all trim levels have this feature) because none of the RAV4 have this, you are not fairly comparing the two cars. What you are doing is designing your 'test' to favor the Toyota.
how about same type of comparison between honda accord hybrid vs Toyota Camry hybrids
The 10% delta is basically driving line loss for the Crv that with that mechanical AWD, both are great even considering the CRV as this almost 7$ a gallon gas in SoCal painful
Would the plug in hybrid rav4 perform the exact same, minus the ev range?
Are the RAV4 behind CR-V all the time while driving on road?
IMHO old money gravitate towards CRV, and technocrats favor RAV4..still don't know much about CRV transmission, being push button and a sprinkle of magic dust..btw loving my CRV1.5turbo with cvt, no shift shock and gear hunting
The Rav4 hybrid is one of the few Hybrids that makes sense financially.
Guys can u drive the rav 4 just in ev mode without the petrol motor? An disadvantages to doing that?
Can u get either 1 for under 32k in cali?
A comparison should be fair: this comparison hobbles the Honda. The CR-V steering wheel paddles for regenerative braking were not used in this comparison. However, CR-V drivers may use these paddles to charge the battery for its electric motor, thus converting kinetic energy to electricity and extending overall MPG.
35.2 mpg! He said the honda was pretty close but that was exactly what the honda said!! Not close it was exact!! Another Great video!!
As far as looks, “It’s like trying to decide which of your toes looks better.” Haha!😂😂
That's what delusional Honda fans tell themselves
I just drove my 07 CRV 500 miles in 100+ weather with AC on max. I got 30.3 mpg. That is with the 2.4 na. Want to guess why I don't buy a new one?
I have a 2019 Rav4 hybrid and I think that reason that Toyota made it AWD is not for all weather capability but to get the extra regenerative capability from the second electric motor. Mine does have the gas tank issue where it seems that you can't fill it to capacity, it comes up short by about 2 gallons and I get a full to empty range of about 475 miles around town.
Toyota has a recall for that
There is a video on youtube where someone tries to run out of gas..Even after he hit empty he had like 200 miles before it was completely dead...I think the problem is that even though it says empty there is a couple gallon still left in the tank which doesn't allow it to be filled completely.
It might also be a factory defect but check out the video and see what you think.
I would never buy a hybrid vehicle anyway the resale value is horrible nobody wants old technology and old batteries even my friend who owns a dealership told me .And lithium ion batteries in cold climate stink!