Toyota hybrid, Honda has very hard seats and I see AWD is very basic. But in my country I would not consider any of those, as NONE has any active safety features, Only subary and Kia offers that, that is why and due to better AWD I chose Subaru, actually I have a Forester and a Crosstrek
Bought the redesigned RAV4 hybrid after your video last year. Glad I didn’t wait for the CR-V hybrid. Still love my RAV around town and have never had an issue getting to trailheads in northern AZ
These Honda tests should be done with the VSA turned off. I got my 2017 almost buried in fine sand at the beach with VSA on. Backed up the car a little bit, turned off VSA and the CR-V easily powered through a sand beam that had many cars stuck. And my 2017 is not even an AWD. VSA matters that much. Otherwise, the engine and torque band will never open up. You will also want to turn off the ECO mode. It lets the turbo kick in to provide full power to the engine instead of just being used to achieve fuel efficiency. I routinely blast up hills like the ones shown with my 8 inches of ground clearance - obviously avoiding the largest ruts - but with no problem. Manufacturers put different settings on a vehicle for a reason and set properly they will accomplish more than shown in this video.
Keep up what you're doing, Ryan. As for what I would get in the compact crossover category, it would still be a Subaru Forester (because I actually use the off-road capability like you do in your tests), but just like the rest of modern cars with with a CVT, I would have to get a transmission cooler as well as OBD2 reader just to make sure the transmission doesn't overheat. Upgraded brake pads too, because going down a very long incline on gravel as your brake pads overheat is not a fun time.
Few facts about CR-V Hybrid: CR-V hybrid does not have gearbox. No CVT transmission, only the electric motor transmits power to the tyres. EV drive all the time excluding fixed gear on higher speed. CR-V hybrid ground clearance is 20 cm. Better than RAV4 hybrid. multi-plate clutch delivers power to the back 80-120km/h CR-V is faster than RAV4. too much underestimation in this video.
RAV4 no gearbox. No what everybody calls a cvt because no belt but a planetary gear set. Family owned a Toyota dealership from 1986-2019 never had one break Fun Fact: from 1932-1986 we had a FIAT dealership ... was i glad when we switched to Toyota :-) RAV4 Hybrid 20,5 cm ground clearance :-) RAV4 Prime 18 cm :-( clutches often encounter heat problems, especially in off the road situations CRV = RAV4 ... one ist faster here, the other there but nobody looking for a fast car is going to by one or the other i am glad both exist so there is a choice, i own a RAV my neighbor on the right side a CRV and we get along very well ;-)
So the videos of the CRV vs Rav4 on the slip test the CRV did great but in real world tests the CRV isnt so great. Thats what I was saying on the other youtubers video because i do offroad my Rav4 hybrid and it does great. Good to see real world reviews.
I have the hybrid rav4 as well, and I agree, those roller tests seem to just test how much raw power you can send to the one or two wheels with traction - a Ferrari would do great but it doesn’t make it good for off-roading.. in real life there’s way more to it
It's more of just a raised estate to tackle bad patched in country roads or larger speed breaks with full load and that all wheel drive is to improve traction during wet conditions Off roading could even kill it
I’m considering getting a 2023 CR-V hybrid and turning it into a softroading vehicle- appropriate tires for conditions, suspension lift, rock sliders, skid plate etc. Thoughts?
Great video Ryan with the CRV Hybrid. And I just watched your Honda Passport off road review. Really like the Passport also..just less fuel mileage..but more vehicle and POWER!!!!!!
can u test these cross overs in water too? we wanna know if water is going inside cabin or not also during flood times we cross bridges with half meter of water , which rage rover crosses pretty good . want to check if these can do the same or not .
From what i've heard through watching various RAV4 vs CR-V videos here on TH-cam. The CR-V doesn't have that loud CLUNK sound every time you engage the pedal from a complete stop. Where as the RAV is VERY LOUD from a complete stop and go after hitting the pedal. I'm sure it's got something too do with it engaging either the hybrid or gas portion of the engine etc...But it's awfully annoying on the RAV4. If Toyota could quiet that down they'd have a real winner.
Appreciate the Video but lost me when you took a HYBRID off road. I was more interested cause it was a hybrid as to seeing the gas mileage on the interstate and so forth. but okey dokey man.
Another great review! It's my feeling that the RAV4 is steadily improving its off-road capabilities, but it looks like the CRV is still inferior off road. My mother had an Element with "4wd" and she could barely get out of her driveway, which was a steep incline and essentially a mix of dirt and gravel. She quickly went back to her Forester. I personally have 4 Subarus in operation in my family, the newest a 2019 Forester. While it's a fantastic car, Subaru reliability is always a drawback to the Subies. Three of mine have had their head gaskets replaced, one twice! I'd like to get some of that Toyota reliability in my life. I might go back to the 4Runner.
I don’t have any hills and because Subarus reliability, I’m sticking with Honda or Toyota. But, if I would have here in eastern pa, where to go off road I would defiantly go with Forester or better Outback. Even though Cr-Vs interior is the best
TLC did rollers test and Honda performed much better! RAV4 3 wheels on rollers in any mode stuck. Crv easy took off. So u r wrong about RAV4 awd is better
I think you are the ONLY reviewer that actually dives into the driving-assist features... there are so many different versions of "Lane Keep" (Lane Centering, Lane Assist, Lane-watch, Lane-whatever) so covering nuances on how the systems behave is really helpful. Thanks!
I know you guys always say that people are talking about their Honda Civics being able to do this stuff, but with my studless blizzak snow tires, my Civic went every where that I wanted it to. My only real problem was ground clearance. That is an obvious issue for off roading.
As always, your videos are informative and well produced. Fulfills my desire to own and drive a hundred cars without spending any money. Found your test route yesterday. Let me tell you, the videos really don’t do how steep it is justice! It was raining, so I chickened out just up the hill from the washed out power pylon.
True! When I first saw the videos I didn’t think it was that hard of a route. Was exploring/testing routes to trailheads to abandoned industrial/mining equipment when I found it. When wet it’s quite exciting. The SUV was skittering and slipping and I decided to come back later. With better tires on I might have risked it.
@@drivingsports Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza hybrid. if venza is able to handle this off road, def it can do a better job in severe snow? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
Driver didn't drive rav4 the same way going uphill...when the Rav4 got stuck driver turned wheel to get traction whereas he did nothing driving Crv in same situation,he just pointed the wheel straight.Little thing like this makes a lot of difference in trail driving.In short they're bias against CRV.Check the Video guys its all there to see.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
Someone I know traded her 2016 CR-V for a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid... and after driving the RAV4 for less than 250 miles, she traded it for a 2021 CR-V Hybrid. The RAV4 kept slipping on her steep paved driveway and she was terrified that she might go right off the road. She bought the best tires available for the RAV4, and it didn't help. She took a 2021 CRV Hybrid for a test drive up and down the driveway multiple times, and it never slipped once. She loves the CRV and feels way safer in it now.
Our 2019 CR-V is our fourth one. We live in N. Central MT and get 100" of snow annually. We install BLIZZAK tires for the Winter and it's amazing how much snow the CR-V can easily negotiate. Solid, reliable vehicles.
Can you do regular gas CR-V test? and when you enter the rocky trail can you put it in L drive which is low gear and turn VSA off? that would be much better.
With the Honda’s safety system you dont have to activate the adaptive cruise to use the lane keep/centering. All that you need to do is have the cruise control ready, i.e. when you first press the main button, then press the lane keep and it will keep you in the lane.
I have an Insight and I'm debating between buying a new one or the CR-V Hybrid, but I agree. I almost never put this thing in economy. The first thing I press after the power button is the sport mode button.
We originally had a bit on how weird it sounded but at already 19 minutes we cut it out. A very odd sounding transmission. Also the artificial noisemaker sounds like angels.
Norm T were limited based on the footage we have. The comments as we filmed them didn’t fit right and there is something to be said for attempting a cohesive narrative to make it more watchable. The episode was long, but it would have not only been longer it would have been an awkward transition to make that fit.
Under hard acceleration rear wheels get pushed to the ground while front raises, so in case even torque delivered for both axels, it may look like front spin while rear almost no signs of power. Btw volkswagen eventualy spins rear wheel anyway. Would be nice to do multiple slowmo tests on different surfaces where drag coeficinet differs, sure assuming for demonstration car can get wheels spining under full throthle
That said, the Subaru STI and pretty much any other performance-oriented AWD system are capable of spinning back wheels... because it can be faster and the systems are up to the abuse. "Weak" AWD systems are fare more conservative in locking the center coupler.
@@drivingsports Correct but STI has center diff, not just a clutch pack. But if we consider just a clutch-pack based awd systems - take a look at some professional awd controllers (for haldex etc.), in race mode (drag race) they allow the coupler to open a little under heavy acceleration. Reason - to allow higher engine rev/more power/better acceleration.
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel , what about idea, put car on different incline slopes, front wheels on rollers and see how much power is actually sent to rear, sure escaping front rollers is a decent threshold already but this way it can be raised for objective tests
After honda screwed me once, I will NEVER let it do it again. Ever since the Old Man died (1999), honda's legendary reliability has been falling like rock. Even when nothing is broken, honda's "AWD" is a joke at best. Toyota any day of the week for me!
I bought the 2020 CRV hybrid and not the biggest fan after some time. The stereo does freeze some times. No spare tire…. Well I found how important it was to have one when going flat in the mountain roads in WA. No cell, had to wait for another car, which after 4 drove by, the 5th finally stopped. Pain in the A$$. My next one will be Toyota in a few months.
I have a 2019 RAV4 XSE. A wonderful car. I travelled so far, 40,200 miles in it. It's not a hybrid, but it gets 32 mpg average, and is excellent all around. No problems. But I have not tried it in the mountain off-road conditions though, and we have had only limited amount of snow here in Northern New Mexico, and there is some road noise as the tires hits pot holes and drives on rough dirt roads and badly paved roads which there are a lot of in Northern New Mexico. Now I am thinking of getting the 2022 RAV4 Limited Hybrid, but I was also thinking of the 2022 Honda CR-V Hybrid Touring. The CR-V is prettier in the interior, and has a classic outside look. But the RAV4 has a pretty, basic and rugged look from the inside, with a faster looking rugged exterior. I've heard good things about the 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid. I think both are good cars. But the 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid is a little slower, getting 38 mpg average, compared to the RAV4 Hybrid, which gets 40 mpg average. I think, overall, I would prefer the 2022 Toyota RAV4 Limited Hybrid, because it seems like a slightly better overall car. But each are good overall. Concerning this video going up the rocky mountain path, these cars were not made for that. I think it would be better to buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited which will handle this path better. I use to own a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (an SUV) which I drove in off-road conditions (making my road through sandy country with small cactus, making my road through sage brush country with small cactus, driving through muddy dirt country with small cactus) and the Jeep Grand Cherokee handled well. It was a beautiful car for its day. I had it for 22 years and travelled over 500,000 miles in it. I bought it for $39,000 in 1999, and I sold it in 2021 for $1,500 after 22 years of use. But today, a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited is much more expensive than the Toyota RAV4 Limited or the Honda CR-V Touring, and I think overall, the quality and reliability is not with the current Jeep Grand Cherokees anymore. Today, the Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited is not a good buy, but the Toyota RAV4 Limited Hybrid and the Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid are. Quality and reliability is with Lexus, Mazda, Toyota and Honda cars today, but not with America cars (Ford, Chevrolet, GMC), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Range-Rovers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm a little confused on the exact setup. Since it is AWD I am assuming it has locking center differential....but in the manual, Hyundai mentions a transfer case.
Bought the CR-V Touring Hybrid 2021. Your test drive revealed just what I suspected. That's why my wife got that car/suv. She is NEVER gonna be anywhere like that hill. The toughest will be Berthoud Pass, CO in a blizzard with good snow tires, & my Hybrid accord with just front wheel drive did that (thanks to the snow plows). Always great reviews! Thx
Without driving either, the reviews I've seen lead me to believe that the CRV would be the best choice. I really need some seat time to make a correct decision.
I was surprised by this car comfort and feeling, the only downsie for me was the power, mediocre at best. With empty car I think OK, but once you load it with 4 persons and a full boot, .... highways will make it suffer probably. Otherwise great car!
@UC4x0_RNxoNkfM8WtRWPoxWw Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza hybrid. if venza is able to handle this off road, def it can do a better job in severe snow? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
When I bought my CR-V i was told it was not meant for stuff like this the AWD was more meant for driving through mud or snow things of that nature and that doing what you did here is possible maybe but not what they designed it for.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur I don't know I have never had to take it off road but it handles medium to deep snow (provided its not to deep) reasonably well I live in Michigan so we do not get as much snow likely as you do so I would try to find someone in your area and see if they had any luck with it
@@davidwollpert5276 From what I find, they both have CVT's for the Hybrids. The non Hybrid RAV4 has an 8-speed. The non-hybrid CR-V has a CVT. My point is I don't like CVT's for fun driving. My Civic is boring. I enjoy my Ridgeline much more.
@@rondail5675 CRV hybrid does not have a CVT. In fact it doesn’t really even have a transmission. It’s sort of a direct drive situation for both the ice and the electric motor. Google will give you a more comprehensive explanation.
@@rondail5675 looks like you deleted you previous comment. I will reiterate that the CRV hybrid does not have a CVT. Not going to try to convince you. Google is your friend.
Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza or RAV4 hybrid? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
Watched many videos of people talking cars of the class off road. They weren't made for going off road so why take them off road? I do not even want to drive my CRV in anything more than a few inches of snow, as to me it was not built for going off road or deep snow. Plus the stock tires do not do these cars justice.
Well I definitely did not buy one of these expecting this. I just wanted the awd to catch on the ice or rain on the roads. Maybe light mud or rainy mountain roads nothing too stressful
i imagine they allow so much wheel spin for snow as that will most likely be what their buyers face more often. independent wheel braking in the snow would be terrible
The same basic i-mmd hybrid system has been around since at least the 2014 accord. Using a generator-motor combo to replace a gearbox has been around since the early 1900’s in diesel electric locomotives lol
So, it does have a clutch but it's computer controlled and actuated ? And no gear, just direct drive . . . ? Could you ask Honda what's what and make a video explaining it ? Please ?
That must be an INSANE amount of acceleration. In the regular LX model I borrowed from the dealership, I easily walked away from a Ram3500 that was trying to roll coal on me.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur you can absolutely take on snow with a CRV Hybrid that is equipped with AWD. And you can take it offroading too, it is not a Rock Crawler however keep that in mind. I am sure though snow would not be an issue. I actually think the CRV might be a bit better in the snow than the Rav4 Hybrid.
@@moonsapling thanks a ton for your reply... this ease me and I will go for honda crv hybrid... thought it dosent have a donut tire, still I have better safety system than toyato
A hybrid version isn’t really a Trim. It’s a totally different drivetrain. A Trim is more like a spec level (VTi, VTi-S, Touring etc). Within the hybrid version there are several trim levels.
For the standard CR-C Honda has said the system distributes power in a 50/50 split from stop until it gets rolling, so is it an issue of being in Sport mode, different hybrid torque distribution, Honda lying or a poor test? Also, the Honda’s system can either deliver power from the electric system or the engine at one time, but it cannot do both, like you mentioned around 12:00.
The Honda can run in both parallel and serial modes (engine/and or electric). I assume it can push up to 50% to the back, but without any actual data (I did reach out and got no response from their PR team) I can't say exactly.
Driving Sports TV Honda has said that the new system delivers up to 50% more torque to the rear than the previous version. Given that the previous version provided up to 40% of torque to the rear, it stands to reason this one provides up to 60% to the rear. I also don’t think you understand what “parallel” and “series” hybrid drives are. The CR-V works in both: it works as a parallel system because it can run off of the electric drive or the ICE drive (but never both), as the ICE engine is disconnected from the drive system via a clutch most of the time. The ICE engine works to charge the battery at those times. In that sense, it works as a series system - an engine powering an electric motor that powers the drive. When the car reaches highway speeds, it switches to the ICE engine only (final and only gear) as in a parallel system. That’s more efficient at steady highway speeds than a series hybrid. So you see, it does work in those two fashions, but the electric and ICE engines never power the drive at the same time, unlike in Toyotas and most other cars. That’s how this avoids a transmission: electric drives don’t need them and ICE only powers at a certain speed, with a direct drive gear.
George L, the regular AWD system in the gasoline CR-V is approximately 60/40 split max. This was a significant point discussion on the CR-V forums until I found out the actual releases from Honda. The previous system was a max 25% to the rear wheels. When Honda says they increased it 50% they're hoping people read that as rear TQ is max 50%, but reality is that 50% of 25% is 12.5%, so they increased max rear TQ to 37.5%. I rounded it to 40%, that's the math. That explains why Ryan got max TQ on the display, but little to no wheel spin on the gravel acceleration test.
@@emmalab02 Honda release from November 2016 says about software and hardware upgrades which result in sending 57% more torque rearward than the old one (up to a total of 40% that can be sent to the rear wheels). Honda release from July 2018 says about software updates to the AWD system result in the ability send up to 60% of torque to the rear wheels and overall increase in torque through the system - up 10% (to 550 Nm).
@@drivingsports but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying a honda CRV hybird or can i go with toyato venza hyrbid. as it did better job when driving off road, so def it will be better for driving in snow ? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur For severe snow, my persona choice would be a 4Runner with snow tires or winter-rated all-terrains with chains in the trunk just in case. The Venza/RAV4 hybrid AWD system is better than the Honda so with proper tires should be able to handle harsher road conditions.
It makes me wonder if Honda ever wakes up that cars are aspirational products. People want AWD just because of "one day in the future" scenario. I must say that it is comfortable for shorter drivers and I wish other SUVs would do such a good job at it. CR-V sells badly in Japan. RAV4 is top SUV right now.
Which one would you choose in between a CRV hybrid and a Subaru( crosstrek or forester would be a competitor) I’m in France so today I can only buy the e-boxer 167hp. Thanks ?
Test drove this yesterday. The engine ROAR during acceleration was so pathetic. I turned around and returned it to the dealer. But to admit, I'm so spoiled by the amazing silence of our Tesla! 😁
@@nonielacuesta2735 did more than that...we drove the Tesla in the mountain roads of north Carolina. The get up and go was amazing. So quiet and effortless.
Honda CR-V Hybrid or Toyota RAV4 Hybrid?
Toyota for me
Toyota
Toyota hybrid, Honda has very hard seats and I see AWD is very basic. But in my country I would not consider any of those, as NONE has any active safety features, Only subary and Kia offers that, that is why and due to better AWD I chose Subaru, actually I have a Forester and a Crosstrek
Honda. Toyota is so boring.
Bought the redesigned RAV4 hybrid after your video last year. Glad I didn’t wait for the CR-V hybrid. Still love my RAV around town and have never had an issue getting to trailheads in northern AZ
These Honda tests should be done with the VSA turned off. I got my 2017 almost buried in fine sand at the beach with VSA on. Backed up the car a little bit, turned off VSA and the CR-V easily powered through a sand beam that had many cars stuck. And my 2017 is not even an AWD. VSA matters that much. Otherwise, the engine and torque band will never open up. You will also want to turn off the ECO mode. It lets the turbo kick in to provide full power to the engine instead of just being used to achieve fuel efficiency. I routinely blast up hills like the ones shown with my 8 inches of ground clearance - obviously avoiding the largest ruts - but with no problem. Manufacturers put different settings on a vehicle for a reason and set properly they will accomplish more than shown in this video.
Good info 👍
Thank you for all the hard work you put in daily! Know that it is recognized and greatly appreciated
You do excellent work!!! Keep them coming.
Keep up what you're doing, Ryan. As for what I would get in the compact crossover category, it would still be a Subaru Forester (because I actually use the off-road capability like you do in your tests), but just like the rest of modern cars with with a CVT, I would have to get a transmission cooler as well as OBD2 reader just to make sure the transmission doesn't overheat. Upgraded brake pads too, because going down a very long incline on gravel as your brake pads overheat is not a fun time.
Few facts about CR-V Hybrid:
CR-V hybrid does not have gearbox. No CVT transmission, only the electric motor transmits power to the tyres. EV drive all the time excluding fixed gear on higher speed.
CR-V hybrid ground clearance is 20 cm. Better than RAV4 hybrid.
multi-plate clutch delivers power to the back
80-120km/h CR-V is faster than RAV4.
too much underestimation in this video.
RAV4 no gearbox. No what everybody calls a cvt because no belt but a planetary gear set. Family owned a Toyota dealership from 1986-2019 never had one break Fun Fact: from 1932-1986 we had a FIAT dealership ... was i glad when we switched to Toyota :-)
RAV4 Hybrid 20,5 cm ground clearance :-) RAV4 Prime 18 cm :-(
clutches often encounter heat problems, especially in off the road situations
CRV = RAV4 ... one ist faster here, the other there but nobody looking for a fast car is going to by one or the other
i am glad both exist so there is a choice, i own a RAV my neighbor on the right side a CRV and we get along very well ;-)
@@andi-ih3jj RAV4 hybrid 4WD ground clearance is 19cm here in Europe. Just checked from dealers website.
So the videos of the CRV vs Rav4 on the slip test the CRV did great but in real world tests the CRV isnt so great. Thats what I was saying on the other youtubers video because i do offroad my Rav4 hybrid and it does great. Good to see real world reviews.
Phuong Vo How you test is important.
I have the hybrid rav4 as well, and I agree, those roller tests seem to just test how much raw power you can send to the one or two wheels with traction - a Ferrari would do great but it doesn’t make it good for off-roading.. in real life there’s way more to it
@@afcgeo882 he wants to see the bottom of the barrel AWD systems...but CR-V and RAV4 are bottom of the barrel and probably shouldn't be called AWD.
I can see people like the red colour more than the other colors
It's more of just a raised estate to tackle bad patched in country roads or larger speed breaks with full load and that all wheel drive is to improve traction during wet conditions
Off roading could even kill it
Like the off-road testing.New sub here!
Looking forward to a 2023 Honda CR-V review
thx , great review: no downhill speed control but could u not use the paddles for tht purpose? seems so?
I’m considering getting a 2023 CR-V hybrid and turning it into a softroading vehicle- appropriate tires for conditions, suspension lift, rock sliders, skid plate etc. Thoughts?
One thing you forgot (or didnt know), sport mode + vsa.
Great video Ryan with the CRV Hybrid. And I just watched your Honda Passport off road review. Really like the Passport also..just less fuel mileage..but more vehicle and POWER!!!!!!
why u did not turn off traction control ?
@@alvinkikukawa8216 No, Honda AWD system is terrible. Subarua is by far the best.
@@alvinkikukawa8216 Right, and the paddle "shifters" in sport mode during the descent.
can u test these cross overs in water too? we wanna know if water is going inside cabin or not also during flood times we cross bridges with half meter of water , which rage rover crosses pretty good . want to check if these can do the same or not .
From what i've heard through watching various RAV4 vs CR-V videos here on TH-cam. The CR-V doesn't have that loud CLUNK sound every time you engage the pedal from a complete stop. Where as the RAV is VERY LOUD from a complete stop and go after hitting the pedal. I'm sure it's got something too do with it engaging either the hybrid or gas portion of the engine etc...But it's awfully annoying on the RAV4. If Toyota could quiet that down they'd have a real winner.
Appreciate the Video but lost me when you took a HYBRID off road. I was more interested cause it was a hybrid as to seeing the gas mileage on the interstate and so forth. but okey dokey man.
Driving Sports TV : Oh boy..
Honda : Im a girl..
Another great review! It's my feeling that the RAV4 is steadily improving its off-road capabilities, but it looks like the CRV is still inferior off road. My mother had an Element with "4wd" and she could barely get out of her driveway, which was a steep incline and essentially a mix of dirt and gravel. She quickly went back to her Forester. I personally have 4 Subarus in operation in my family, the newest a 2019 Forester. While it's a fantastic car, Subaru reliability is always a drawback to the Subies. Three of mine have had their head gaskets replaced, one twice! I'd like to get some of that Toyota reliability in my life. I might go back to the 4Runner.
I don’t have any hills and because Subarus reliability, I’m sticking with Honda or Toyota. But, if I would have here in eastern pa, where to go off road I would defiantly go with Forester or better Outback. Even though Cr-Vs interior is the best
CRV hybrids awd is superior to toyota hybrid
TLC did rollers test and Honda performed much better! RAV4 3 wheels on rollers in any mode stuck. Crv easy took off. So u r wrong about RAV4 awd is better
Rollers and real world are two different things
@@sammyjammy6647 if it can’t pull out from rollers, will it work better off road?
How would the hybrid do in ice and snow?
Disappointed in the CRV, :(
Thanks for finally recognizing what CR-V AWD system has been doing for decades. Nothing new here...
Please take a Ridgeline down this trail
crv 🇯🇵 vs 🏴 range rover
Loose the CVT junk
Wait the 2019 version had auto play now it doesnt? Why Honda!!?
Auto Play?
@@drivingsports Sorry I meant wireless Apple Play
Irvin Romo Apple CarPlay, and no, it never had the wireless kind.
Honda makes pathetic cars in Pakistan, and in USA it's not much better either
I think you are the ONLY reviewer that actually dives into the driving-assist features... there are so many different versions of "Lane Keep" (Lane Centering, Lane Assist, Lane-watch, Lane-whatever) so covering nuances on how the systems behave is really helpful. Thanks!
I know you guys always say that people are talking about their Honda Civics being able to do this stuff, but with my studless blizzak snow tires, my Civic went every where that I wanted it to. My only real problem was ground clearance. That is an obvious issue for off roading.
Blizzak + good driver = vehicle doesn't matter.
As always, your videos are informative and well produced. Fulfills my desire to own and drive a hundred cars without spending any money.
Found your test route yesterday. Let me tell you, the videos really don’t do how steep it is justice!
It was raining, so I chickened out just up the hill from the washed out power pylon.
Ah! Congrats on finding it. We could drum it up with dramatic music and close-ups of boulders, but we figure nobody would believe it.
True! When I first saw the videos I didn’t think it was that hard of a route.
Was exploring/testing routes to trailheads to abandoned industrial/mining equipment when I found it.
When wet it’s quite exciting. The SUV was skittering and slipping and I decided to come back later. With better tires on I might have risked it.
What are you driving?
A three week old Grand Cherokee on all seasons. A bit reluctant to take risks still.
@@drivingsports Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza hybrid. if venza is able to handle this off road, def it can do a better job in severe snow? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
Driver didn't drive rav4 the same way going uphill...when the Rav4 got stuck driver turned wheel to get traction whereas he did nothing driving Crv in same situation,he just pointed the wheel straight.Little thing like this makes a lot of difference in trail driving.In short they're bias against CRV.Check the Video guys its all there to see.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
Imagine if Honda put iVTM4/SH-AWD in the CR-V and Civic 👍🔥
I don't know why they don't. They would have a REAL winner on their hands.
Someone I know traded her 2016 CR-V for a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid... and after driving the RAV4 for less than 250 miles, she traded it for a 2021 CR-V Hybrid. The RAV4 kept slipping on her steep paved driveway and she was terrified that she might go right off the road. She bought the best tires available for the RAV4, and it didn't help. She took a 2021 CRV Hybrid for a test drive up and down the driveway multiple times, and it never slipped once. She loves the CRV and feels way safer in it now.
Currently, I have the 2021 Honda CR-V AWD and it's a great vehicle all around. It performs excellent here the snowy winter in Ohio. I love my CR-V.
Our 2019 CR-V is our fourth one. We live in N. Central MT and get 100" of snow annually. We install BLIZZAK tires for the Winter and it's amazing how much snow the CR-V can easily negotiate. Solid, reliable vehicles.
How is the Earth Dreams 1.5t fuel diluting oil?
Frank, good info. Is your CR-V AWD? Are BLIZZAK tires expensive?
@@namvet1968 Yes AWD. Blzizaks not cheap but not silly expensive either. And I think Cooper (?) might make a generic Blizaak as well.
Forester!
If you're a les.
Forester Hybrid????
Excellent review, I have a request can you please make a comparison video of the Honda safety sense (CR-V) vs Toyota safety sense (RAV4).
Can you do regular gas CR-V test? and when you enter the rocky trail can you put it in L drive which is low gear and turn VSA off? that would be much better.
With the Honda’s safety system you dont have to activate the adaptive cruise to use the lane keep/centering. All that you need to do is have the cruise control ready, i.e. when you first press the main button, then press the lane keep and it will keep you in the lane.
If I'm gonna have my own car it will always be in sport mode! 🤣
I have an Insight and I'm debating between buying a new one or the CR-V Hybrid, but I agree. I almost never put this thing in economy. The first thing I press after the power button is the sport mode button.
The Honda was in a much more tricky 2 wheel situation.
I'll still take the cr v hybrid wouldn't off-road a hybrid
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv without any issues?
The sound of the transmission 0 to 60, sounded like a plane taking off jiji
We originally had a bit on how weird it sounded but at already 19 minutes we cut it out. A very odd sounding transmission. Also the artificial noisemaker sounds like angels.
@@drivingsports why not report it as a reviewer?
Norm T were limited based on the footage we have. The comments as we filmed them didn’t fit right and there is something to be said for attempting a cohesive narrative to make it more watchable. The episode was long, but it would have not only been longer it would have been an awkward transition to make that fit.
Under hard acceleration rear wheels get pushed to the ground while front raises, so in case even torque delivered for both axels, it may look like front spin while rear almost no signs of power. Btw volkswagen eventualy spins rear wheel anyway.
Would be nice to do multiple slowmo tests on different surfaces where drag coeficinet differs, sure assuming for demonstration car can get wheels spining under full throthle
Exactly. And actually the point is to move the car forward without losing grip at the back although front may overspin.
That said, the Subaru STI and pretty much any other performance-oriented AWD system are capable of spinning back wheels... because it can be faster and the systems are up to the abuse. "Weak" AWD systems are fare more conservative in locking the center coupler.
Driving Sports TV No, they spin the back wheels because they’re higher power. The amount of torque simply overpowers the friction of the tires.
@@drivingsports Correct but STI has center diff, not just a clutch pack. But if we consider just a clutch-pack based awd systems - take a look at some professional awd controllers (for haldex etc.), in race mode (drag race) they allow the coupler to open a little under heavy acceleration. Reason - to allow higher engine rev/more power/better acceleration.
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel , what about idea, put car on different incline slopes, front wheels on rollers and see how much power is actually sent to rear, sure escaping front rollers is a decent threshold already but this way it can be raised for objective tests
I had a 2014 CRV AWD, then a 2018 RDX AWD with Michelin CrossClimate tires. I never had problem with snow in Washington state.
After honda screwed me once, I will NEVER let it do it again. Ever since the Old Man died (1999), honda's legendary reliability has been falling like rock.
Even when nothing is broken, honda's "AWD" is a joke at best.
Toyota any day of the week for me!
I bought the 2020 CRV hybrid and not the biggest fan after some time. The stereo does freeze some times. No spare tire…. Well I found how important it was to have one when going flat in the mountain roads in WA. No cell, had to wait for another car, which after 4 drove by, the 5th finally stopped. Pain in the A$$. My next one will be Toyota in a few months.
I have a 2019 RAV4 XSE. A wonderful car. I travelled so far, 40,200 miles in it. It's not a hybrid, but it gets 32 mpg average, and is excellent all around. No problems. But I have not tried it in the mountain off-road conditions though, and we have had only limited amount of snow here in Northern New Mexico, and there is some road noise as the tires hits pot holes and drives on rough dirt roads and badly paved roads which there are a lot of in Northern New Mexico.
Now I am thinking of getting the 2022 RAV4 Limited Hybrid, but I was also thinking of the 2022 Honda CR-V Hybrid Touring. The CR-V is prettier in the interior, and has a classic outside look. But the RAV4 has a pretty, basic and rugged look from the inside, with a faster looking rugged exterior. I've heard good things about the 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid. I think both are good cars. But the 2022 Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid is a little slower, getting 38 mpg average, compared to the RAV4 Hybrid, which gets 40 mpg average. I think, overall, I would prefer the 2022 Toyota RAV4 Limited Hybrid, because it seems like a slightly better overall car. But each are good overall.
Concerning this video going up the rocky mountain path, these cars were not made for that. I think it would be better to buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited which will handle this path better. I use to own a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (an SUV) which I drove in off-road conditions (making my road through sandy country with small cactus, making my road through sage brush country with small cactus, driving through muddy dirt country with small cactus) and the Jeep Grand Cherokee handled well. It was a beautiful car for its day. I had it for 22 years and travelled over 500,000 miles in it. I bought it for $39,000 in 1999, and I sold it in 2021 for $1,500 after 22 years of use.
But today, a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited is much more expensive than the Toyota RAV4 Limited or the Honda CR-V Touring, and I think overall, the quality and reliability is not with the current Jeep Grand Cherokees anymore. Today, the Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited is not a good buy, but the Toyota RAV4 Limited Hybrid and the Honda CR-V Touring Hybrid are.
Quality and reliability is with Lexus, Mazda, Toyota and Honda cars today, but not with America cars (Ford, Chevrolet, GMC), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Range-Rovers.
I love these off road tests. I would be interested to see how the 2019/2020 Hyundai Santa Fe performs. The AWD version has locking diff.
What diff?
no locking diff my friend, it is electronic
Yes...I didn't mean locking diff as in the sense of true 4wd.
@@a.r.walker6255 So you meant lock function of a clutch-pack. No diff lockers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm a little confused on the exact setup. Since it is AWD I am assuming it has locking center differential....but in the manual, Hyundai mentions a transfer case.
Manufacturer says don’t go off-road. Reviewers criticise for limited off-road ability… yawn…
I tested the rav4, crv, cx5, tiguan, tarraco, kodiaq. I narrowed it down between the cx5 and tarraco. Handling is very important to me,
Bought the CR-V Touring Hybrid 2021. Your test drive revealed just what I suspected. That's why my wife got that car/suv. She is NEVER gonna be anywhere like that hill. The toughest will be Berthoud Pass, CO in a blizzard with good snow tires, & my Hybrid accord with just front wheel drive did that (thanks to the snow plows). Always great reviews! Thx
Without driving either, the reviews I've seen lead me to believe that the CRV would be the best choice. I really need some seat time to make a correct decision.
At two wheels up all I smell is clutch....15:00!
Why would the ABS system kick in whilst driving forward?
@Driving Sports TV Why didn't you use the regenerative paddles for hill decent control? They act like engine breaking by recharging the generator.
Didn’t think they would really reduce descent that much. But that’s a good idea. Should have done that.
Not sure the regen braking is programmed to be that aggressive
The decent is too slow to have any effect
First real offroad test. Thanks ! CR-V hybrid or Rav4 Hybrid? Most likely Outback 2020 !
Between the CR-V and the RAV4 hybrids I prefer the Toyota. But, yeah, the Outback is better than both of them. 😇
Is there an Outback Hybrid?
RAV4 Prime with spare tire. Now hold my beer. LOL
Duc Ly yeah, with the price of in 40+ range, you don’t have any money left for beers.😀
@@deeneyugn4824 but what about the incentives for having a plug in hybrid?
I was surprised by this car comfort and feeling, the only downsie for me was the power, mediocre at best. With empty car I think OK, but once you load it with 4 persons and a full boot, .... highways will make it suffer probably. Otherwise great car!
@UC4x0_RNxoNkfM8WtRWPoxWw Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza hybrid. if venza is able to handle this off road, def it can do a better job in severe snow? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
Honda all wheel drive is just a toy and don't expect to much!
When I bought my CR-V i was told it was not meant for stuff like this the AWD was more meant for driving through mud or snow things of that nature and that doing what you did here is possible maybe but not what they designed it for.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur I don't know I have never had to take it off road but it handles medium to deep snow (provided its not to deep) reasonably well I live in Michigan so we do not get as much snow likely as you do so I would try to find someone in your area and see if they had any luck with it
I own a Civic and a Ridgeline. I recommend a RAV4 over the HRV and maybe even over the CRV. I don't like CVT's. For my Civic it is okay.
Funny that you recommend the RAV4 but don’t like CVTs. The RAV4 has a CVT, the CR-V does not.
@@davidwollpert5276 From what I find, they both have CVT's for the Hybrids. The non Hybrid RAV4 has an 8-speed. The non-hybrid CR-V has a CVT. My point is I don't like CVT's for fun driving. My Civic is boring. I enjoy my Ridgeline much more.
@@rondail5675 CRV hybrid does not have a CVT. In fact it doesn’t really even have a transmission. It’s sort of a direct drive situation for both the ice and the electric motor. Google will give you a more comprehensive explanation.
@@rondail5675 looks like you deleted you previous comment. I will reiterate that the CRV hybrid does not have a CVT. Not going to try to convince you. Google is your friend.
Really sad AWD performance!
Hi , iam planning to buy a hybrid and still deciding whether to go for honda crv or rav4 or venza hybrid. After seeing this video i feel its better to go for venza hyrbid which performed well in off road. i use my car more in local and highway and my question is will HONDA CRV HYBRID HANDLES WELL IN SNOW? JUST REGULAR/SEVER SNOW AS I RESIDE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO or shold i go with venza or RAV4 hybrid? need you input, so i can decide which one to buy?
I'm not sure where they got 37,000 for that Honda. The dealership told me closer to 45,000... considerably MORE than the equivalent Rav4.
I’d still take my Forester over this. But the interior and hybrid powertrain are impressive.
A. 12” screen with 4” of viewing ability? Worst infotainment between Escape Hybrid, Rav4Hybrid.
Watched many videos of people talking cars of the class off road. They weren't made for going off road so why take them off road? I do not even want to drive my CRV in anything more than a few inches of snow, as to me it was not built for going off road or deep snow. Plus the stock tires do not do these cars justice.
Well I definitely did not buy one of these expecting this. I just wanted the awd to catch on the ice or rain on the roads. Maybe light mud or rainy mountain roads nothing too stressful
i imagine they allow so much wheel spin for snow as that will most likely be what their buyers face more often. independent wheel braking in the snow would be terrible
I love CRV
Crv non hybrid doing better job of road
Who's buying to be the Guinea pig
Tony Chau I’ve already seen 5 on the streets.
The same basic i-mmd hybrid system has been around since at least the 2014 accord. Using a generator-motor combo to replace a gearbox has been around since the early 1900’s in diesel electric locomotives lol
@@afcgeo882 working at or near a Honda dealership and seeing people doing test drives doesn't count...
So, it does have a clutch but it's computer controlled and actuated ? And no gear, just direct drive . . . ?
Could you ask Honda what's what and make a video explaining it ? Please ?
Another great video 👍🏻
That must be an INSANE amount of acceleration. In the regular LX model I borrowed from the dealership, I easily walked away from a Ram3500 that was trying to roll coal on me.
The CRV has a propeller shaft to the back and even though it cant simulate LSD i would still take it over the Rav4.
but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur you can absolutely take on snow with a CRV Hybrid that is equipped with AWD. And you can take it offroading too, it is not a Rock Crawler however keep that in mind. I am sure though snow would not be an issue. I actually think the CRV might be a bit better in the snow than the Rav4 Hybrid.
@@moonsapling thanks a ton for your reply... this ease me and I will go for honda crv hybrid... thought it dosent have a donut tire, still I have better safety system than toyato
@@3fjj4iur you cant go wrong with either of the two. Both the RAV4 Hybrid and the CRV Hybrid are beasts in the snow. Good luck wity your purchase!
Why don't your like and view stats match to some extent, I don't like people who don't review it in a like or dislike
Still love your videos
All monocoques aren't off road capable like the X5 RR discover and Q7
Can you do another off-road test with the 2023 CR-V hybrid?
We will when we gat one. We've had a request in for a while.
@@drivingsports Awesome thank you!!! Really looking forward to it as I am planning to buy one and do some light off-roading with it!
Your comments are right on track and I agree with your various test results, as well.
Why didn’t you shut off the esp?
I would love to see you take a Subaru Forester up the same trail
A hybrid version isn’t really a Trim. It’s a totally different drivetrain. A Trim is more like a spec level (VTi, VTi-S, Touring etc). Within the hybrid version there are several trim levels.
Fair point.
For the standard CR-C Honda has said the system distributes power in a 50/50 split from stop until it gets rolling, so is it an issue of being in Sport mode, different hybrid torque distribution, Honda lying or a poor test?
Also, the Honda’s system can either deliver power from the electric system or the engine at one time, but it cannot do both, like you mentioned around 12:00.
The Honda can run in both parallel and serial modes (engine/and or electric). I assume it can push up to 50% to the back, but without any actual data (I did reach out and got no response from their PR team) I can't say exactly.
Driving Sports TV Honda has said that the new system delivers up to 50% more torque to the rear than the previous version. Given that the previous version provided up to 40% of torque to the rear, it stands to reason this one provides up to 60% to the rear.
I also don’t think you understand what “parallel” and “series” hybrid drives are.
The CR-V works in both: it works as a parallel system because it can run off of the electric drive or the ICE drive (but never both), as the ICE engine is disconnected from the drive system via a clutch most of the time. The ICE engine works to charge the battery at those times. In that sense, it works as a series system - an engine powering an electric motor that powers the drive.
When the car reaches highway speeds, it switches to the ICE engine only (final and only gear) as in a parallel system. That’s more efficient at steady highway speeds than a series hybrid.
So you see, it does work in those two fashions, but the electric and ICE engines never power the drive at the same time, unlike in Toyotas and most other cars. That’s how this avoids a transmission: electric drives don’t need them and ICE only powers at a certain speed, with a direct drive gear.
George L, the regular AWD system in the gasoline CR-V is approximately 60/40 split max. This was a significant point discussion on the CR-V forums until I found out the actual releases from Honda. The previous system was a max 25% to the rear wheels. When Honda says they increased it 50% they're hoping people read that as rear TQ is max 50%, but reality is that 50% of 25% is 12.5%, so they increased max rear TQ to 37.5%. I rounded it to 40%, that's the math. That explains why Ryan got max TQ on the display, but little to no wheel spin on the gravel acceleration test.
@@emmalab02 Honda release from November 2016 says about software and hardware upgrades which result in sending 57% more torque rearward than the old one (up to a total of 40% that can be sent to the rear wheels).
Honda release from July 2018 says about software updates to the AWD system result in the ability send up to 60% of torque to the rear wheels and overall increase in torque through the system - up 10% (to 550 Nm).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers do you roller tests support the Honda CR-V statement?
Honda should of used the torque vectoring that it its other SUV's
Does the competition have better sets of tires/wheels for the hill climbing?
Can’t wait for you to test out the new CR-V Sport Touring 🙌🏽
Listen up, never ever compare a forester to one of these donkey crvs... got it
Where are the trails like this that you test AWD vehicles?
Cascade mountains. But most states have similar Forest roads.
Perfect! I live super close to the Cascades.
@@drivingsports but what about severe snow? can we drive home honda crv hybrid without any issues?i reside in colorado and sometimes i need to take this off raod. is it worth buying a honda CRV hybird or can i go with toyato venza hyrbid. as it did better job when driving off road, so def it will be better for driving in snow ? need your thoughts
@@3fjj4iur For severe snow, my persona choice would be a 4Runner with snow tires or winter-rated all-terrains with chains in the trunk just in case. The Venza/RAV4 hybrid AWD system is better than the Honda so with proper tires should be able to handle harsher road conditions.
Paddles for braking? Really? Who’s gonna use it?
It makes me wonder if Honda ever wakes up that cars are aspirational products. People want AWD just because of "one day in the future" scenario. I must say that it is comfortable for shorter drivers and I wish other SUVs would do such a good job at it.
CR-V sells badly in Japan. RAV4 is top SUV right now.
Turn off the abs...
Which one would you choose in between a CRV hybrid and a Subaru( crosstrek or forester would be a competitor) I’m in France so today I can only buy the e-boxer 167hp.
Thanks ?
Can you get the RAV4 Hybrid? I think it's a better choice than either of them if you're looking for a hybrid specifically.
Rav4 hybrid has had lots of problems here in Europe. It fails moose test and has a relay problem in cold conditions. Car refuses to start.
With AT tires the crv would have made it up there
Test drove this yesterday. The engine ROAR during acceleration was so pathetic. I turned around and returned it to the dealer. But to admit, I'm so spoiled by the amazing silence of our Tesla! 😁
test drive your tesla up that hill, let us know what happens...
@@nonielacuesta2735 did more than that...we drove the Tesla in the mountain roads of north Carolina. The get up and go was amazing. So quiet and effortless.
Why wasn't the traction control turned off?
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