For those people questioning if Asian martial arts were even in the West in the 1920s and '30s, Edith Garrud (one of the first western martial arts instructors), began teaching Japanese Ju-jutsu to other British suffragettes in England in 1907 and had opened a dojo and was choreographing jiu-jitsu-style fight scenes for English films by 1911. Edith had massive influence during this time period--especially concerning middle-class women's rights campaigners and feminists--and openly taught ju-jutsu as a form of personal self-defense identical to that demonstrated in this video. I don't know much about video editing and creation, but history does support the authenticity of this video.
Mrs Garrud started training in Jujitsu in 1899 (her husband was already a boxing and wrestling instructor) when they joined the Bartitsu club in London (founded 1898). As well as several European styles, such as cane fighting and French kickboxing (Savate), the club also had some of the first Judo/Jujitsu instructors in UK (direct from Japan).
It's definitely 1930s, judging by the quality of sound and style of clothes. Synchronized sound films started in the very late 1920s and became standard by 1930, so this would have to be post 1930.
I was thinking the same thing, but then there was all that slow motion footage at th end, pretty smooth too. No way they could shoot fast enough in the 1930s. so is this thing fake, er what?
SuperFubar1993 Not fake at all. They definitely had slow-mo film capabilities in the 1930s (and even before). Slow motion footage is just a matter of speeding up the film in the camera.
This looks legit, but I still want to see Ramsey Dewey and his JX Fight Club test it out, anyway (just to be sure!), and have them test these techniques and scenarios...in 1930's clothing.😉
Excellent ! Thank you. Some of the techniques last and last: I was taught a few in Manchester in the nineties. SO any dating has to be internal. It is British Pathe and is a talkie which has not been remastered. This makes it post 1927. British Pathe News has a site - if you search for 'trocadero' the lettering at the opening seems to put it in the early thirties.
The 'Troc' was a large restaurant - entretainnment complex popular in the Thirties and you can still find it walking Piccadilly Circus to Leicester Sq., on the left. [London, silly] [posted in two parts]
Good techniques really are timeless, since people's bodies haven't changed much since the 30s. I was taught (I won't say I learned) each of these moves in Small Circle jujitsu recently. I have a video which gives some examples of Small Circle moves, though it doesn't show these exact moves.
@southernfistnino Just to clarify and be specific on they're behalf,,It's loosely titled "Early 1900's" and it also states that its from either 20's or 30's,likely late 20's or early 30's timeframe,which still figuritively makes it early'ish 1900's timeframe,allthough technically,when you say the early 1900's in general,its supposed to be during the 1900-1909 timeframe. In any instance,this is some legitimately vintage strong novelty value footage.
Kano Jujitsu, (as it was called prior to the namen judo being used.) reference Higashi and Eastbrook's book, by Jigoro Kano about the same time, I have a copy and this was the same sort of tricks shown in the book. Famous Judo teachers were teaching in the Budokai, and touring the country showing the skills, hinging around judo as self defence.
This is not judo. Judo moves come from jujitsu, so there's naturally a resemblance. But even though it employs many of the same moves, it does so in a safer manner, without intending to harm the adversary. Breaking wrists and dislocating elbows was never the intention of judo. (if it happens it's accidental). Jujitsu is traditionally used for combat, judo for sport.
PrivateEyeYiYi Not modern judo. Older judo early days had more options. Please understand that the attraction is randori which is tightly controlled but that does not mean that self defense demonstrations to attract and teach members cannot employ typical applications that use these technique. I reference Kano Jujutsu 1920's book, and goshin jutsu kata as 1948 examples.
I was referring to sport or Olympic Judo, which is more in the spirit of what Kano came up with. But it's unlikely for a martial art to remain static forever. No doubt there are other versions of Judo that incorporate some of the Jujutsu moves that Kano removed, or added some new ones.
PrivateEyeYiYi This was early judo, taught with emphasis on self defence to attract members, sport wasnt that popular in the early 1900's. Self defence was.Once people are in the door the reason to continue training can be different from the reason to join.
These are all great if you know exactly the attack that's incoming. Otherwise you better have an amazing ability to disconnect your mind from the expected to the dynamic very quickly...
I'm pretty sure you would cry and die of dehydration there. I guess you don't know Women's Social and Political Union were bombing stuff a few years before this video, when campaigning for women's suffrage. They had a Bodyguard unit trained in jujutsu self-defence by Edith Margaret Garrud : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud. They were fucking with every "Men's only" place and making them mad. I'm pretty sure they didn't like going on hunger strikes but had to because no one listened to them, thanks to them it's a bit less hard to be compaigning for women's right now.
Jujitsu/Judo was in London as early as 1898. The Bartitsu club had some of the earliest instructors. In US, James Cagney was a Judo Black belt and used it in some films.
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For those people questioning if Asian martial arts were even in the West in the 1920s and '30s, Edith Garrud (one of the first western martial arts instructors), began teaching Japanese Ju-jutsu to other British suffragettes in England in 1907 and had opened a dojo and was choreographing jiu-jitsu-style fight scenes for English films by 1911. Edith had massive influence during this time period--especially concerning middle-class women's rights campaigners and feminists--and openly taught ju-jutsu as a form of personal self-defense identical to that demonstrated in this video. I don't know much about video editing and creation, but history does support the authenticity of this video.
Teddy Roosevelt trained in JJ during his term as President, back around 1905.
Mrs Garrud started training in Jujitsu in 1899 (her husband was already a boxing and wrestling instructor) when they joined the Bartitsu club in London (founded 1898). As well as several European styles, such as cane fighting and French kickboxing (Savate), the club also had some of the first Judo/Jujitsu instructors in UK (direct from Japan).
She speaks so properly and elegantly, despite her activities! Classy dame!
And she still looks cute as hell !!!!☺️
When she started doing her makeup in the end. QUEEN!
It's definitely 1930s, judging by the quality of sound and style of clothes. Synchronized sound films started in the very late 1920s and became standard by 1930, so this would have to be post 1930.
I was thinking the same thing, but then there was all that slow motion footage at th end, pretty smooth too. No way they could shoot fast enough in the 1930s. so is this thing fake, er what?
SuperFubar1993
Not fake at all. They definitely had slow-mo film capabilities in the 1930s (and even before). Slow motion footage is just a matter of speeding up the film in the camera.
doctorc90 1933. Original is in the British Pathe archives.
The man was a member of the first British international Judo team.
Most of all I liked girl's behavior after every take down. She looks so cute and innocent in this moments ))))
I first heard about this on the Preston and Steve show this morning.
I'm just gonna say it...that was AWESOME!!
This looks legit, but I still want to see Ramsey Dewey and his JX Fight Club test it out, anyway (just to be sure!), and have them test these techniques and scenarios...in 1930's clothing.😉
Excellent ! Thank you.
Some of the techniques last and last: I was taught a few in Manchester in the nineties.
SO any dating has to be internal. It is British Pathe and is a talkie which has not been remastered. This makes it post 1927.
British Pathe News has a site - if you search for 'trocadero' the lettering at the opening seems to put it in the early thirties.
The 'Troc' was a large restaurant - entretainnment complex popular in the Thirties and you can still find it walking Piccadilly Circus to Leicester Sq., on the left. [London, silly]
[posted in two parts]
Good techniques really are timeless, since people's bodies haven't changed much since the 30s. I was taught (I won't say I learned) each of these moves in Small Circle jujitsu recently. I have a video which gives some examples of Small Circle moves, though it doesn't show these exact moves.
@southernfistnino Just to clarify and be specific on they're behalf,,It's loosely titled "Early 1900's" and it also states that its from either 20's or 30's,likely late 20's or early 30's timeframe,which still figuritively makes it early'ish 1900's timeframe,allthough technically,when you say the early 1900's in general,its supposed to be during the 1900-1909 timeframe. In any instance,this is some legitimately vintage strong novelty value footage.
a rare gem
I assure you it is genuine - it was take from some old cine reel!
Kano Jujitsu, (as it was called prior to the namen judo being used.) reference Higashi and Eastbrook's book, by Jigoro Kano about the same time, I have a copy and this was the same sort of tricks shown in the book.
Famous Judo teachers were teaching in the Budokai, and touring the country showing the skills, hinging around judo as self defence.
This is not judo. Judo moves come from jujitsu, so there's naturally a resemblance. But even though it employs many of the same moves, it does so in a safer manner, without intending to harm the adversary. Breaking wrists and dislocating elbows was never the intention of judo. (if it happens it's accidental).
Jujitsu is traditionally used for combat, judo for sport.
PrivateEyeYiYi Not modern judo. Older judo early days had more options. Please understand that the attraction is randori which is tightly controlled but that does not mean that self defense demonstrations to attract and teach members cannot employ typical applications that use these technique. I reference Kano Jujutsu 1920's book, and goshin jutsu kata as 1948 examples.
I was referring to sport or Olympic Judo, which is more in the spirit of what Kano came up with. But it's unlikely for a martial art to remain static forever. No doubt there are other versions of Judo that incorporate some of the Jujutsu moves that Kano removed, or added some new ones.
PrivateEyeYiYi This was early judo, taught with emphasis on self defence to attract members, sport wasnt that popular in the early 1900's. Self defence was.Once people are in the door the reason to continue training can be different from the reason to join.
1907, apparently.
from the early 30's, 1933, i believe
These are all great if you know exactly the attack that's incoming. Otherwise you better have an amazing ability to disconnect your mind from the expected to the dynamic very quickly...
Beautiful and real job, Thank you!!!!
Girl got skills. :)
She's cute, sexy, and cool. For me, this feels like it is shot now, not from the 20s. This feels like they intentionally make it look old.
Ultradude No modern women are like the one of the video. Come on...
And thats how Percocets were discovered.
She fuckin bodied him lol
Love it.
I feel bad for The Bandit.
that's fucking bad ass.
What they should have done is put in some Three Stooges sound effects during all this.
Not sure this is from the early 1900's! I don't think they would have been as comfortable show as much leg back then
Wow, she's not bad.
This lovely lady puts today's "strong and independent" women to shame. I need to invent a time machine.
I'm pretty sure you would cry and die of dehydration there. I guess you don't know Women's Social and Political Union were bombing stuff a few years before this video, when campaigning for women's suffrage. They had a Bodyguard unit trained in jujutsu self-defence by Edith Margaret Garrud : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud. They were fucking with every "Men's only" place and making them mad. I'm pretty sure they didn't like going on hunger strikes but had to because no one listened to them, thanks to them it's a bit less hard to be compaigning for women's right now.
still doing them today as a krav maga student.
... while wearing high heels
@765tony i think it would be around the 40's or 50's only then was asian fighting styles becoming known to the world
It was known by some women in the 1910's : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud
Jujitsu/Judo was in London as early as 1898. The Bartitsu club had some of the earliest instructors. In US, James Cagney was a Judo Black belt and used it in some films.
Lol! At 1:55 it almost looks like she has a black eye while she's speaking! XD
she's 120yo.
we are watching dead people fighting =D
🤤😭
DOES HE FEEL PAIN?
2:47...PANTY SHOT!
estoy seguro q el tipo la odia!
Hah. Way cool.
Strapping
So lady like!
Hapkido numbskulls
What a babe.
It's probably a modern fake: way of speaking, vocabulary, camera-movements, quality of image and sound...
Nope, it's real.