***Update*** I made a +5h Instructional completely dedicated to the Topic of The Triangle Choke and The King's Gambit on BJJ Fanatics. It even has a chapter on how to beat it. Check it out here: bjjfanatics.com/collections/all/products/the-mirroring-principle-the-kings-gambit-by-wim-deputter
Fantastic Wim! Great to see some of your system in action. Your composure and control were excellent to watch. I look forward to training with you again at a future Globetrotters camp. Oss 🤙🏽
That's indeed the idea behind it! If your posture and angle are good, you have nothing to fear from a triangle. The smart thing would be to back up and start playing open guard again. Most opponents will keep going for that trianlge however and wear themselves out completely.
😄😄 and why is that? 😊 I try to play everything the situation requires and I'm physically capable of 😊 The truck has been one of my go to moves for many years. It works great in combination with pressure passing. When they roll out to defend the pass, the truck is always there.
Wim Deputter Can‘t wait to watch your passing playlist after im done with the mount series and longevity. I am already using some of your shrimp and babybridges techniques to improve my survival and scrambling abilities, keep up the good work! Oss
@@K_x_P Thank you! That's awesome to hear 😊 Let me know how it works! If you have any problems or questions, just ask. And if you have time, refer some friends 😊
Im sorry if I sound beginner. So I keep my back and neck straight while they attempt the triangle, but my body stays relatively low to the ground while my arms hold/fight for collar grips? Then when they tire out I go for the truck/back? - thanks for any tips.
There is a bit more to it than that :) I uploaded a seminar about the topic of pressure passing in 6 parts. Here is part 1: th-cam.com/video/BPe9ymr5NtQ/w-d-xo.html You can find the other 5 parts also on my channel. It's about pressure passing in general and one part is about the triangle stack. Good luck!
Great fight Wim thanks again for sharing ! I've been working on "the king's gambit" at training. At my first attempt, I got triangled by my blue belt opponent. Indeed, I did not put my right hand properly under his armpit as you do. But at my second attempt (still against him), I did not get triangled and could hold on the position for the entire roll (3min) and get him in an uncomfortable position. So happy to succeed ! Now, in your fight, I see that you trapped his right leg in yours in order to reach his back. I did not think about that, and I'll try it next time. By the way, couldn't you submitted him with a "banana split" since you already had his left leg in your arms ?
The banana split isn't thta easy. Often going for it might leave you a bit vulnerable in the way that the opponent can reverse the truck. The truck was not the goal. It just happened cause the opponent turned away from the pressure. The initial goal is always the pass.
Wim, so your opponent's mistake was not getting an under-hook on your leg that allowed you to stack him? Hypothetically, if he managed to get an under-hook, the outcome could be very different, right? Keenan got tapped with a triangle in the European finals. So, it is a somewhat dangerous game, which obviously works for you.
Thank you for your question Anton! The biggest "mistakes" my opponent made, are: -pulling triangle while I have the right hand collar grip -not breaking that right hand collar grip -keeping his both shoulders on the floor -closing the triangle (thereby not having a foot on the hip to manage the distance) -not trying to manage distance -bending his spine (bad structure) which allows me to stack Once I'm in the triangle and have my opponent stacked, it isn't about mistakes on my partners end anymore. In order to get out, I really have to make a bad mistake at that point. All I have to when I'm at that point is "mirror" my opponent's movement and keep up the pressure until he concedes the pass. What do I mean with "mirror"? -keep my weight over him at 12 o'clock -if his head goes to the left (for example grabbing my leg) I rotate my hip in to the left -if his head goes to the right, I rotate my hip to the right -if he extents his hip, I extent my hip -if he bents his hip, I bent my hip There are some more details, but this most of it. Grabbing my leg is actually bad for my opponent if he goes first, cause once he does I can pin his arm and rotate my hip in. My weight will be in the center and he can't finish from there while he gets all my pressure and eventually will have to concede. However, should I rotate my left hip in first, my opponent could grab my leg. Because of the momentum I would be slightly of balance to the right and my opponent can use this to escape or adjust his triangle. I hope it was a bit clear 😊 You can check my seminar on the King's Gambit for a full breakdown: th-cam.com/video/l3Au3xGt2VU/w-d-xo.html
I get the grip with my right hand. And leave my left arm dangeling low and dive forward on purpose It's not a garantee this happens. But always very likely after a pull.
nah man... what I see is you using what he gave you very well... not baiting him. if you were baiting him... you would have pulled the move right off the bat. I can see you have very high skills... I think you are making this one up a bit.
@@Daniel-yo5es Let me rephrase it then :) I take my right grip, after which I know a certain amount of things can happen. One of which is the triangle, which I'm very confident I can deal with ;)
I have had to answer this a few times before now 😄 I get a right hand collar grip and leave my left hand low on purpose. The triangle option is always there and the opponent choses to go for it or not. I have done this hundreds of times 😊
@@WimDeputterBJJ Perhaps I'm just not seeing something, but it's genuinely looks like you may have attempted to bait, but may have got in a little too deep at the same time. You try to posture twice unsuccessfully in the beginning, a successful bait would result in an immediate posture. In saying that I'm just a purple belt, there's still so much I don't know so it's very possible that I'm just a little ignorant because this is also my preferred method of passing, so I may have an ego when it comes to this technique.
@@jacobday3826 I had a posture all the time. Just not an upright posture. The one thing that is important, is to keep the neck straight preferrably. Straight up is safest. But if they pull your head down, you can also raise your hip high and walk forward. In both cases your neck and will be straight and there is no choke.
That’s a stupid concept , the guy just does not understand different control options from the triangle position. You let me triangle you and that’s yo ass, ima break that defensive posture and get you out of their. You in my guard not the other way around, im breaking you down thats jiu jitsu. This guys triangle control sucked. We don’t train to beat crappy bjj we train to beat good bjj , regardless don’t put yourself in someone’s triangle on purpose. You’ll never see anyone on a high level doing this why, because their comp is too good for that. Do that in practice when your working on triangle defense not in a tournament. If you get their by accident then you have it but not intentionally, that’s a bad habit and creates bad instincts
Uh...? Is it anywhere implied I don't train wrestling? And also... never seen a wrestler or takedown specialist getting triangled? A triangle bait usually happens from the guard (as you see on the video). The guard, in other words, AFTER a takedown (or guardpull).
What's your context? Just came in to criticize jj? This is a video about a "gambit", not 'jj is hurting your mma training' lol. You're right though, and in my gym I tease jj exclusive guys all the time and stand up to make them earn it.
Ok. Now go and do that to a guy who knows how to triangle people and tell me what happened. I can’t believe people buy this bull crap. You got fucking triangled in a competition, somehow managed to defend it and then came up with a ridiculous explanation... For real now, is this like a massive troll or something?!
Whatever man. I do this exact pass / triangle defense on 99% of the people I train with and I can't count the times I won competitions with it. The last 10 years I remember exactly two competitions where I lost due to a triangle: -one where I messed up and got armbarred -one where I actually didn't get tapped, just lost due to an advantage the opponent got for the triangle.
Wim Deputter Just a guy who also trains, same as you. I was careful enough to discuss this with several of my “bjj bros” before making this comment. And yes, they all laughed. I thought I might be wrong but I wasn’t. And no, I didn’t ask any beginners. Only purple belts and up. Most of them active competitors. Maybe you know something that we don’t. I hardly think so but still... it’s a possibility. Have a good one mate. All and all, I didn’t mean no disrespect.
yup its not like the guy attempting the triangle is a black belt. the beautiful thing about jiu jitsu is that you can experiment this stuff yourself and see if it works or not.
I train my triangles to beat the best triangle defense, that will not work against me. When I’m in my guard I’m in control , I’m dominate not you. I’m a head of the curve your playing behind the curve any other mentally is silly.if you beat me I really beat my self. That’s the reality on the high level. Real finishers finish one way or another.
Well... if your triangle is as closed as your mind, I don't stand a chance indeed :D I'm not going to argue with you. Argue with him: th-cam.com/video/RrD643OqTao/w-d-xo.html
***Update*** I made a +5h Instructional completely dedicated to the Topic of The Triangle Choke and The King's Gambit on BJJ Fanatics. It even has a chapter on how to beat it.
Check it out here: bjjfanatics.com/collections/all/products/the-mirroring-principle-the-kings-gambit-by-wim-deputter
Fantastic Wim! Great to see some of your system in action. Your composure and control were excellent to watch. I look forward to training with you again at a future Globetrotters camp. Oss 🤙🏽
Thank you Mighele! Glad to hear you found the video useful.
Looking forward to meet you again as well 😊
I recognise this pass from the Christmas roll in Lviv ) Great pass, thank you for sharing this!
My pleasure 😊
Incredible
This was great, I have some of your bjj fanatics videoes, would love to see more of your system live or narrate your rolling etc
Will do my best 😊
Definitely a gambit
That's just too nice!!!
Thanks 😊
Awesome stuff Wim
Thanks 😊
Nice Wim!
Thanks Gile 😊
Very nice, inch by inch
🙏🙏🙏
Dude was wore OUT going for that triangle...
That's indeed the idea behind it! If your posture and angle are good, you have nothing to fear from a triangle. The smart thing would be to back up and start playing open guard again. Most opponents will keep going for that trianlge however and wear themselves out completely.
God that looked tiring. Sneaky route to back though. I shall try...
Not that tiring actually. You have to move slow, control your breathing. It's mostly tiring for the one on bottom :)
Very cool!!
Thanks 😊
Wow nice job on seeing the truck entry, i wouldn’t have thought you were a truck player haha
😄😄 and why is that? 😊
I try to play everything the situation requires and I'm physically capable of 😊
The truck has been one of my go to moves for many years. It works great in combination with pressure passing. When they roll out to defend the pass, the truck is always there.
Wim Deputter Can‘t wait to watch your passing playlist after im done with the mount series and longevity.
I am already using some of your shrimp and babybridges techniques to improve my survival and scrambling abilities, keep up the good work!
Oss
@@K_x_P Thank you! That's awesome to hear 😊
Let me know how it works! If you have any problems or questions, just ask.
And if you have time, refer some friends 😊
Im sorry if I sound beginner. So I keep my back and neck straight while they attempt the triangle, but my body stays relatively low to the ground while my arms hold/fight for collar grips? Then when they tire out I go for the truck/back? - thanks for any tips.
There is a bit more to it than that :)
I uploaded a seminar about the topic of pressure passing in 6 parts.
Here is part 1: th-cam.com/video/BPe9ymr5NtQ/w-d-xo.html
You can find the other 5 parts also on my channel.
It's about pressure passing in general and one part is about the triangle stack.
Good luck!
@@WimDeputterBJJ Thank you sir! I will study this.
Great fight Wim thanks again for sharing ! I've been working on "the king's gambit" at training. At my first attempt, I got triangled by my blue belt opponent. Indeed, I did not put my right hand properly under his armpit as you do. But at my second attempt (still against him), I did not get triangled and could hold on the position for the entire roll (3min) and get him in an uncomfortable position. So happy to succeed ! Now, in your fight, I see that you trapped his right leg in yours in order to reach his back. I did not think about that, and I'll try it next time. By the way, couldn't you submitted him with a "banana split" since you already had his left leg in your arms ?
The banana split isn't thta easy. Often going for it might leave you a bit vulnerable in the way that the opponent can reverse the truck.
The truck was not the goal. It just happened cause the opponent turned away from the pressure.
The initial goal is always the pass.
Renato? Is that you
Who is Renato? 😊
Wim Deputter lol look up Renato laranja, he’s a actor who trains bjj but came up with a character and you kinda look like him
@@Gagegillespi 😄😄 now I get it. Wasn't sure which Renato you meant.
Wim, so your opponent's mistake was not getting an under-hook on your leg that allowed you to stack him? Hypothetically, if he managed to get an under-hook, the outcome could be very different, right? Keenan got tapped with a triangle in the European finals. So, it is a somewhat dangerous game, which obviously works for you.
Thank you for your question Anton!
The biggest "mistakes" my opponent made, are:
-pulling triangle while I have the right hand collar grip
-not breaking that right hand collar grip
-keeping his both shoulders on the floor
-closing the triangle (thereby not having a foot on the hip to manage the distance)
-not trying to manage distance
-bending his spine (bad structure) which allows me to stack
Once I'm in the triangle and have my opponent stacked, it isn't about mistakes on my partners end anymore. In order to get out, I really have to make a bad mistake at that point.
All I have to when I'm at that point is "mirror" my opponent's movement and keep up the pressure until he concedes the pass.
What do I mean with "mirror"?
-keep my weight over him at 12 o'clock
-if his head goes to the left (for example grabbing my leg) I rotate my hip in to the left
-if his head goes to the right, I rotate my hip to the right
-if he extents his hip, I extent my hip
-if he bents his hip, I bent my hip
There are some more details, but this most of it.
Grabbing my leg is actually bad for my opponent if he goes first, cause once he does I can pin his arm and rotate my hip in. My weight will be in the center and he can't finish from there while he gets all my pressure and eventually will have to concede.
However, should I rotate my left hip in first, my opponent could grab my leg. Because of the momentum I would be slightly of balance to the right and my opponent can use this to escape or adjust his triangle.
I hope it was a bit clear 😊
You can check my seminar on the King's Gambit for a full breakdown:
th-cam.com/video/l3Au3xGt2VU/w-d-xo.html
@@WimDeputterBJJ Thank you so much for the detailed answer.
@@AntonSpektorov my pleasure 😊 I hope it made sense a bit.
you did not bait him for the triangle... you went with it and transitioned.
I get the grip with my right hand. And leave my left arm dangeling low and dive forward on purpose
It's not a garantee this happens.
But always very likely after a pull.
Later in the match I reenter the triangle cause I felt he was still too fresh and wanted wire him out more before passing.
nah man... what I see is you using what he gave you very well... not baiting him. if you were baiting him... you would have pulled the move right off the bat. I can see you have very high skills... I think you are making this one up a bit.
@@Daniel-yo5es Let me rephrase it then :) I take my right grip, after which I know a certain amount of things can happen. One of which is the triangle, which I'm very confident I can deal with ;)
@@WimDeputterBJJ totally agree.... nice job.
Ossss
Not sure I'd call this baiting a triangle, you fell into a triangle then recovered...
I have had to answer this a few times before now 😄
I get a right hand collar grip and leave my left hand low on purpose.
The triangle option is always there and the opponent choses to go for it or not.
I have done this hundreds of times 😊
@@WimDeputterBJJ
Perhaps I'm just not seeing something, but it's genuinely looks like you may have attempted to bait, but may have got in a little too deep at the same time.
You try to posture twice unsuccessfully in the beginning, a successful bait would result in an immediate posture.
In saying that I'm just a purple belt, there's still so much I don't know so it's very possible that I'm just a little ignorant because this is also my preferred method of passing, so I may have an ego when it comes to this technique.
@@jacobday3826 I had a posture all the time. Just not an upright posture.
The one thing that is important, is to keep the neck straight preferrably.
Straight up is safest.
But if they pull your head down, you can also raise your hip high and walk forward. In both cases your neck and will be straight and there is no choke.
That’s a stupid concept , the guy just does not understand different control options from the triangle position. You let me triangle you and that’s yo ass, ima break that defensive posture and get you out of their. You in my guard not the other way around, im breaking you down thats jiu jitsu. This guys triangle control sucked. We don’t train to beat crappy bjj we train to beat good bjj , regardless don’t put yourself in someone’s triangle on purpose. You’ll never see anyone on a high level doing this why, because their comp is too good for that. Do that in practice when your working on triangle defense not in a tournament. If you get their by accident then you have it but not intentionally, that’s a bad habit and creates bad instincts
Would love to test it with you 😊
The lengths BJJ dudes go to to avoid learning any standup lol
Uh...?
Is it anywhere implied I don't train wrestling?
And also... never seen a wrestler or takedown specialist getting triangled?
A triangle bait usually happens from the guard (as you see on the video). The guard, in other words, AFTER a takedown (or guardpull).
Shut up pussy
What's your context? Just came in to criticize jj? This is a video about a "gambit", not 'jj is hurting your mma training' lol.
You're right though, and in my gym I tease jj exclusive guys all the time and stand up to make them earn it.
Explanation is pure bullshit, he got caught and the fought out of it end of story.
😄😄 What do you know about that?
I can't count the times I pulled this off on competition. Most opponents have no idea how to deal with.
go back to your video games pencil neck
Ok. Now go and do that to a guy who knows how to triangle people and tell me what happened. I can’t believe people buy this bull crap. You got fucking triangled in a competition, somehow managed to defend it and then came up with a ridiculous explanation...
For real now, is this like a massive troll or something?!
Whatever man. I do this exact pass / triangle defense on 99% of the people I train with and I can't count the times I won competitions with it.
The last 10 years I remember exactly two competitions where I lost due to a triangle: -one where I messed up and got armbarred
-one where I actually didn't get tapped, just lost due to an advantage the opponent got for the triangle.
Wim Deputter Just a guy who also trains, same as you. I was careful enough to discuss this with several of my “bjj bros” before making this comment.
And yes, they all laughed. I thought I might be wrong but I wasn’t. And no, I didn’t ask any beginners. Only purple belts and up. Most of them active competitors.
Maybe you know something that we don’t. I hardly think so but still... it’s a possibility. Have a good one mate.
All and all, I didn’t mean no disrespect.
@@fredericopereira6444 thank you for your nice reply, I appreciate that 😊
No point in discussing it further.
yup its not like the guy attempting the triangle is a black belt. the beautiful thing about jiu jitsu is that you can experiment this stuff yourself and see if it works or not.
@@stankanovic Thank you Klemen 😊
I train my triangles to beat the best triangle defense, that will not work against me. When I’m in my guard I’m in control , I’m dominate not you. I’m a head of the curve your playing behind the curve any other mentally is silly.if you beat me I really beat my self. That’s the reality on the high level. Real finishers finish one way or another.
Well... if your triangle is as closed as your mind, I don't stand a chance indeed :D
I'm not going to argue with you.
Argue with him:
th-cam.com/video/RrD643OqTao/w-d-xo.html
Haha you gonna get stacked untill you taste your dinner.