Pro tip for new players: play for fun. If you dont feel like playing, dont play it and come back once you want to play again. This goes for litteraly any game.
@@DeathknightDragon True, the grind in War Thunder is extreme. Let's just say in World of Tanks, I can easily grind Tier V and Tier VI and its modification (in WT, it's equal to Rank III/IV) in a rather short time. But beyond that, it's pain but manageable. In WT, It takes a long time just to grind a single tanks and its modification and it's probably takes even longer just to reach Rank III and IV even with booster. Good luck trying to reach the Top Tier as well in WT lol. But eh, both games are fun on its own especially in the middle tier.
@@misfit4ever01 I didn't say it wasn't active. They keep adding to the top end, making it more and more difficult for anyone that doesn't want to pay their way to the top. It's been going on for years, eventually it will take a toll.
@@bigwitt187 how is it difficult if you dont pay?I'm a free player and still have tons of nice ships several to tier 7 and a few legendary ships like the Yamato and I stated its very active because games on a death spiral usually aren't super active
@@misfit4ever01 Do you not know how words work? It takes more time to reach top tier if you don't pay, I didn't say it was impossible. It's at the beginning of the death spiral, most of the people left are invested in the game but it has lost prominent players and has had several PR disasters. It's holding for now, and it might be another 5 years before it declines noticeably, but they're locked into a pattern of milking the high-end players for all they're worth. People have become tired of it, and eventually even those that are invested will be fed up and move on. Once the whales no longer buy every piece of content WG puts out, it will die.
Another Tip: Uninstal WT once every 6 months and play something else for about 3/4 months. It may be a bit long but it will help you keep you're mentality
@Sir Nurtle Well, that tip is pretty useless to me, I'm playing WT 1 and half year without uninstalling or switching to other game and I'm still fine. It need to just have some fun in game. Like trolling, playing with friend, etc.
Nobody ever mentions the advantage older players have with maxed crews. I was getting smoked constantly in ASB because my pilot was blacking out matching my opponents turn rate. Now it's much better with higher stats. I think I have 2 tanks with the same gun, but one crew is new and the reload times are 1.7 seconds slower. That's an enormous advantage.
@@tuomaskarjalainen7210exactly what they want, they want you to just throw money at the problem instead of actually caring about the new player. Dont get me wrong, i understand this is their profit model. And i dont mind some grind, because we all want the new shiny better thing, it gives us some extra incentive to play. But thats all it needs to be, some extra incentive to play, not a complete blowout against already more experienced players
TBH crew level doesn't matter that much in air, and only in rather niche situations on ground. The following explanation is spoken from the view of a 9000-hour player (I'm not particularly good at the game, to note) with nearly all air trees at non-premium top tier (US, Ger, USSR, UK, Jp, It, Fr, Sw, Is) and two ground trees at non-premium top tier (US, USSR). To make things clear, in Arcade (any mode) 3 skill points is earned every 100 rp gained, while for Realistic and Simulator it is 1 skill point every 100 rp. For air, on fighters, the only crew skills that matter in a dogfight are G-tolerance and stamina. These skills do provide an edge in a dogfight (one-circle or two-circle fight) for rate-fighting or scissoring, where you basically keep turning and try to get lead (to aim ahead of your opponent through fancy maneuvers, to over-simplify it). However, there is an easy counter by just tapping nose down in a continuously nose-up fight, to counter pilot black-out, which abuses the G-LOC (G-force induced Lost Of Consciousness, or blacking out) mechanic in WT. From experience in grinding of multiple air trees, if you focus on one single crew (designate an air crew, it will help you focus your crew skills and not waste useless points) by the time you reach higher tier jets with full G-tolerance. Although being a player with purchased premium vehicles, I don't buy aced crews, I gained my ace crew on my F-14A and F-14B by playing, which costs around 1M RP (yeah it's a hell lot and if you're not particularly good at it, it would take a few weeks of casual playing), but the actual difference between maxed and expert / aced crews are not significant enough to be of priority. For ground, crew skills would matter mainly on the loader's weapon loading skill, if you only care about the "unfair advantage" point in a gunfight, which is actually a very niche situation (although Gaijin is still an asshole to make crew skill advantages grind-locked for new players) To explain the reload rate difference situation due to crew skill, assuming the same gun, the following gunfight must occur to make a difference. You shoot at enemy, non-pen or doesn't kill the enemy loader or disables the gun. Enemy shoots at you, same applies. You shoot at enemy, in a short enough distance (taking shell velocity into account), your shell kills the enemy loader, disables the gun, or kills the tank before the enemy could fire their second shot while your shell is flying. The actual reload rate difference in lower BRs consists of many types of guns, which have reload speeds varying too much that the crew skill do not actually make a difference. For example, an IS-2 would have a stock 27.04 second reload, and an aced 20.8 second reload. The only tank that you can fire a shot and having an aced crew would help you win in the aforementioned niche situation, is when you face a Chinese IS-2. If the IS-2 example is too absurd for its long reload, you can take a 76 sherman for this example, with stock reload at 7.67 and aced reload at 5.9. The only few niche situations reload skill would matter is when it faces a T-34-57 in that particular example, with aced sherman reload at 5.9 and T-34-57 stock reload at 6.5. So, in a short conclusion, reload rate doesn't matter that much at lower tiers, while at higher tiers it wouldn't matter as well because crew XP is earned from RP reward, which, if you focused on a few crew slots you have maxed out reload rate, if you hadn't experted or aced your favorite tanks. For those players that buy to premium top tier... this is exactly why you will suffer. You lack experience, lack map knowledge, lack game knowledge, lack crew skills, and lack game skills. Even if you do get into such a situation in top tier, more often than not, one side will disable the cannon of another side to prevent the reload-rate game commencing, as most tanks only have kill shots in their turret necks, which is right below the gun. And half of the tanks in game have auto-loaders, while the other half use the same Rh120, so these niche situations happen extremely rarely, and the chances of it mattering to a player is much lower than an inexperienced player getting themselves killed with other stupid reasons. To conclude, crew skill matters at higher tier, but not that much. But if you are at a high tier, and you grinded it out without buying to top tier, you would have a decently experienced crew to handle the high tier combat needs.
To add to the reload-game theory for crew skill difference on the same gun platform firing at each other, you can prevent the enemy from having an effective second shot by simply angling your tank (on some heavies), going hull-down, or popping in and out of cover. And this situation only applies in short ranges, no matter the tier. For example, two Rh120 (all Leopard 120mm, all Abrams 120mm, Ariete 120mm) fire at each other, the maxed crew reload would be 6.9, with aced at 6.0 (assuming the player would have at least maxed reload by grinding from rank 1 to rank 7), the difference in reload time would be at most 0.9, assuming a simultaneous first-shot from both tanks. With APFSDS flying at around 1500m/s, any combat outside of 1.5km (common on many large maps), both tanks would get their second shot out before one of them died, albelt having the slower reload. In a real situation, if you fire a first shot, it usually takes more than a second or two for the enemy to notice and fire back their first shot, therefore the reload rate would hardly matter in any situation.
One thing that really made it more fun for me was when I realised I could have more fun in low/mid tier vehicles, not worrying too much about the high tier vehicles I was grinding. Every now and then when I do try out a high tier vehicle I've unlocked, I find I've got the experience to enjoy it more
@@garrettreid8710 Believe me, it's ten times worse at higher tiers! And to make things even worse, sometimes you can't really do anything about it. For example when you get shot by an helicopter ATGM that is 7 or so km away from you. The game is very frustrating, you either have the patience for it or you don't, rushing enemies simply doesn't work at war thunder. It's one of the few games where camping is actually the only way of playing it effectively.
Agreed. Once I got up to the Tiger 2's I started losing a lot of silver lions due to repair costs and the game didn't seem as fun being worried about having enough. I've since played more with the UK and USA and actually love it around BR 3-3.3.
I only joined to play the ww2 tanks so i got to what i wanted extremely quickly. now im caught up in the grind trying to get the top tier just because you gotta grind something
I bought the AVRE in past sale. Now Im at 10.0 after 3weeks. I didnt have any british tank before.British tree is very easy to grind because it has very few mid tier vehicles. And the vickers mk7 has all top tier requirements.
A harsh truth is that everything in the game is designed to be predatory and form the bad habits that cause you to hate the game. Gaijin knows the issues but refuses to fix them because they can squeeze you for money. The only reason WT has survived this long is it's monopoly on the realistic vehicle focused shooter space.
Hopefully GHPC will force gaijin to do something. Same thing went on with CSGO for years. After valorant came, Valve got their head out of their asses and started to do something.
@@sushmitriyanbasuli6889 GHPC is too different, and the effects are definitely many years behind WT's, in WT it feels like you are actually shooting a shell that is penetrating the tank, in GHPC it doesn't look or feel as good, GHPC also doesn't air combat which definitely inhibits it as a real competitor.
This means that if somebody decides to make a realistic vehicle-war simulator game similar to war thunder that is balanced and NOT full of microtransactions to get ahead of others in a game for money, then WT would likely collapse as this new game would literally be very friendly to all its players and would literally be a superior option to WT better in almost every way. I am waiting for someone to do this and to bring WT its judgment day.
@@kalistaredacted2808 you're forgetting about the feasibility of that to build or code a game solo to as in depth as WT, you're gonna spend years modelling stuff, coding game mechanics and graphics. That's before you start adding up licensing costs, wages cost for other devs, you can make a game like war thunder solo. And that's all while not making an income. I've seen similar things for rainbow six siege, people didn't like the new changes so they tried to make a knock off, it's cool don't get me wrong but is no where near a competitor. Now if a major company tries to do something like you suggest, then it will be same shit different smell, for exmaple let's say EA gives it a crack. Realistically to make this happen you gotta hope Elon Musk is feeling like it on a day off and assembles a team of funded game devs to tackle such a game. And if that did happen...do you think they'd clone war thunder? Or something more successful like COD, LoL or Dota 2.
One thing to note for new players (myself included) DO NOT let yourself fall into the idea that playing the game (actually having a match) is only there for you to earn points towards a new vehicle. The actual match is the gameplay with the added benefit of giving you points. Not the other way around. Getting a new vehicle isn't the game. Playing against other people in a match is. That's the whole point, to fight vehicle to vehicle in realistic battles. Remember that, and the game becomes a lot funner.
@@bustabusta7676 wtf XD the jet gameplay of wt has to be one of the worst I've ever witnessed in my life XD Scroll wheel up, press X, spasm around with the mouse, scroll wheel down to land 😂 You should try dcs world bro or falcon bms
"playing against other people in a match is." ...yeah, until you realize that they're outmatching you. Come on...don't kid yourself. Getting better vehicles is absolutely a big part of the game
In addition, it’s more fun sometimes to be a dunce playing something suboptimal, doing a suboptimal mission, then to try and constantly go for the grand victory. Go ahead, take that swordfish out to hunt bombers
Lol what? The entire point of the game is to grind (or buy) high tier vehicles, because if not you are constantly outmatched. Getting a new vehicle ABSOLUTELY IS THE GAME.
My number 1 tip for myself and new players is to not expect to play jets, abrams, etc ever. I've played warthunder for a while but I know that I'll never go above the t-34s with 76mm guns, the short barrel shermans and panzer 4s with the long 75mm. This doesn't even bother me too much, I love those tiers and those vehicles and the grind is bearable at those tiers.
i have all top tiers unlocked from russia , germany and usa , for me at tank rb never go beyond 7,3 just not worth it especialy if you like planes like me
@@xestrix420 yeah, I think so. I originally planned to get the IS-2 but it was just more grind than I thought would be worth it in the end My current setup is a YaG-10 (milk truck, very fun), maybe a fighter or some sort of a bomber and then I fill the rest with t-34s (everything from the 3.3 to the 3.7s are excellent tanks in my opinion) In the future I'll want to add an asu-57. It doesn't seem like too much grind, seems fun and will do nicely to round out my setup. But yeah, I think it gets bad after the t-34-57 to a point where I don't feel like I'll get a unique experience. Edit: but yeah, the t-34 spam is very much worth it. You die? Just respawn 3 more times lol
my tips are: 1. dont treat the game as f2p, treat it as a sub game for ~4$ a month, with a free trial till rank 3 2. NEVER buy anything outside of sales, except season pass and Golden Eagles 3. play what mode and vehicles you enjoy, but dont play only to get to a certain vehicle (at least anything later than ww2) the game is more for people who like combat vehicles in general, if you grind for 100 hours for the one vehicle you love and dont care about the others on the way, the chances are high your vehicle just sucks in the meta or it doesnt perform very well due to other reasons and you feel terrible 4. dont get discouraged when you get stomped in Rank 1 right when you start, sadly a lot of people are noob stomping there with really unfair vehicles (1.0-2.0 BR). matches arin my experience easiest around 2.3 to 4.0 br, so try playing there when you start out
This is the best comment, I've grinded to the F5E and F4EJ Kai, but from Tier IV I had premium and also a premium plane such as the premium zero and P51.
3. Am I to be disappointed if I'm interested in 7.7 vehicles? RN I'm around 5.7-6.3 of Germany and USSR. I just like the cold war tanks. 4. Seems just right. I was stomped at 1.0-2.0 but at 2.3-4.0 it feels great and that's the place I come to farm SL. Too bad you can't learn all the maps there because the bigger ones show up only at a higher ranks.
5. Don't set your heart on a particular vehicle. Even if it performs well, they may nerf it, break it accidentally, make it unaffordable to repair, increase its battle rating, wreck an enjoyable lineup around it or introduce new mechanics or opposing vehicles that negatively impact your enjoyment of it. Think of War Thunder as a vehicle combat game with the understanding that you need to be flexible and play whatever the flavor of the month is - or - accept the potential of being an outclassed underdog.
Ever since I got my first jet, I've been obviously getting destroyed and after about 30 matches I've not only lost the 300k silver lions I had but went 50k in debt... this is the only game I've ever played where you can literally *lose* progress.
I started playing this game mostly just tanks and planes. I noticed that at times it's like plucking off birds with a machine gun, other times I was killed right out of the hole. I think it has a lot to do with how many good players are on at the time, and how long you have been playing. Saturdays and Sundays I have had two to four hour sessions but found after two hours I could not do well at all. I think if they have a high content of players, they start killing you a lot to get you to quit. I find the game very entertaining, and I am 60. But my wife gets extremely mad when I'm on it all day, she says "I'd better not ever hear you talk about kids playing video games again, LOL...
Lemme clarify just a bit, they are not killing you because they want you to leave, it's merely because everyone is busy getting kills to upgrade and buy new vehicles 😅
When I first downloaded War Thunder I spent most of my time not playing Multiplayer and just test driven/flew the various starter and premium vehicles and I’m so glad I started that way because I wasn’t starting off a complete noob flying into the environment and learned various pros, cons of different types as well as learning weak points in tanks I managed to get a decent first round. You still have to get use to the multiplayer maps and common tactics used by others.
The fact that you can actually test drive EVERY vehicle in the game on a proper training map has always been a HUGE bonus that separates War Thunder from "the other tank game". Being able to do this with premium tanks especially lets you get a feel for them before you purchase (at least if they're in the tech tree). The training map itself is amazing since it gives you a wide variety of different ground vehicles to practice on which respawn. I've always hated that you can't even do that in the "other tank game" unless you join a training room with at least one other person (and even then you just get an empty map).
In start its still preatty easy, when reat of player base so bad, when you level one, but then the higher tier you get to the better players start to be and the harder it gets, so you need smartly manuver around with good tank and know always the spot from other tanks where it penetrates through to kill the crew of the tank that you can kill the tank as whole and then you always need to use the map to know where the enemies are, so you can come from the side or from behind to get some easy kills, while you still can sometimes lose the game, while being one of best in your team, when your team still overall so much worse, while you got so many kills.
I have a love hate relationship with this game. Ever since I played the Battlestations games I fell in love with military vehicle games. I have played both the World of War games and warthunder off and on and am always drawn back to warthunder because it's everything I want in a game but the way it is ran with the snails pace progression, extremely high price for anything that will remotely make the progression faster, and the greedy nickel and diming for everything really makes me hate the game. If they actually made a reasonable earning/progression, fixed the BR matching, fostered true team play, and actually valued/listened to there player base then this would be the only game I'd ever need. Hopefully another game with rise up eventually that will do this type of game and its players justice.
I’ve given up on this game as I grinded hard through an event and didn’t get the vehicle I wanted, I encountered a bug that wasted my war bonds preventing me from getting another vehicle and every update the game breaks more and more for me and I dislike it more and more. This game is almost good, but still shit.
Bsp was from a different era and somewhat different use of these vehicles used more like rts units(makes sense since battlestations was a action rts)...though one of the few examples the era bsp and midway released was also ripe with other vehicle combat upgrade systems(ace combat, blazing angels ect)..all these games featured more of a single player experience and thus..the grind for vehicles was simply not that but rather progression..i still own bsp honestly the gameplay holds up to modern games such as warthunder or wot (fun aircraft carrier gameplay anyone)..the only thing these newer games have is a graphics edge (barely)..and a slight physics edge (again barely) as the core mechanics hold up...the "free to play" supergrind model will simply not be able to support itself and will collapse under its own monetization..not entirely per say but todays regulation and fatigue will set in. I believe you can already evidence this by player count and newer titles nerfing grind making vehicles easier to obtain..it can be noted that the titles being focused as a multiplayer competitive online changes things a bit..fair enough it should be harder to get items..but to the point of several years to obtain top gear is tedious and devs are adjusting to compete...
The core problem in this game is the economy, economy directly influences the grind and a persons capability of progression, which is the main goal in the game. The main reason i hear why people leave and stop playing is because of the grind being so slow and the necessity to spend if you want to actually progress. The problem is further exaggerated when Gaijin keep strangling that economy more and more. I remember a time where a good match in RB would net 80-100k RP and 300k lions. Was that too much? absolutely, but NOW? a good match of 8+ ground anhd air kills and a couple of captures will net you around 15k RP and 100k lions WITH premium. A couple months ago that same match would pull that for a free player, and thats where i would have left it, but nope, Gaijin have their heads so far up their gold plated arseholes that they dont understand that making the grind harder drives people away.
Completely agree, compared to another f2p game such as Heroes and Generals. War Thunder economy is just awful, the stopping br i think is around 7.3, it is taking way too long to research 7.3 vehicle currently and it is not even top tier yet. With my decent skill and limited free time i finally got my Leo 1 after more than a month grinding it
I've played WT in the early days back when there were 20 tiers and air only , was quite fun i stopped around 2013 , then came back for some tank action around 2015-16 then stopped again and recently tried to get back and yea the economy is horrible , back then even on a bad game you'd be able to break even , but the main issue that made me uninstall is their damn garbage servers , on a gigabit connection i would get kicked out the queue 3-4 times until i finally join a match only for it to have 70% of the team not connect so i wait 10 min for a 3 min game where i fight 1 enemy if i'm lucky to go on the same side of the map as him ... yea no thanks
it's even less actually 15krp and 100k lions with premium act and tank, for us non prem players it's 5k RP and 25k SL for a 8kill ground target and 5kill air target.
@@shadowfox1609 it's pretty fucked, I had a 6 kill and 1 cap at 7.7 UK and got 55k lion and 8k RP. When the next tank is 170k and 600k to buy and around 100k to crew its absurd
As a veteran player I have very little to add, other than, and others have also said it, play to have fun in the first place. Advancing in the tech trees comes second. I've found some vehicles in certain BRs that I enjoy playing and do well enough in that I can complete daily tasks to complete the Battle Pass every season. I also agree with the "burning out" aspect when trying to earn everything. Sometimes I'm tempted to earn a plane and am able to do so, but otherwise I stick to only earning ships, since I basically only play naval, and only occassionally play ground. This way I can keep my sanity and prevent myself from burning out of the game again.
man. playing naval is fun but those wait times are at times maddening and the time before you actually get in to action when you spawn a blue-water ship... actually measurable in geological time. i mostly play ground RB and air arcade but i like ships too, naval is actually more fun than the other two modes for me, with me being able to reliably get at least a couple of kill every game as opposed to getting sniped before you even get the the enemy by that one light tank that zooms over deep in to your side of map in the first one or two minutes of the match, respawn, get bombed before you even roll out of the spawn and return to hangar for 3 games before getting matched against a team of blind penguins driving tanks and getting 8 kill 2 assists and a capture of a point. i find ground RB just way too inconsistent in the quality of players, but on the other hand it's kind of exciting to just play against other players to see the differences skill and playtime makes. also funny to see that one guy with 16 kills and no deaths and the rest of the team sitting around 0 to 3 kills and several deaths each in a team that is somehow still winning
Air arcade is a blast. I don't understand why people hate it, it's not much easier than RB, it's faster paced, and while don't earn as much, you lose far less for dying, and the matches are so chaotic that even if you do die, it's still fun to watch, and take part in, a massive furballs. And as an added bonus, there's some actual variety in mission type, unlike RB. While Realistic is something I play far more often, arcade is perfect of taking a break and messing around.
It’s my favourite mode. Great, slightly brainless stress relief. There are still frustrations (spawn campers, suicide bombing squads), but they’re way less pronounced than in RB.
i 100% agree, for air i only play AB and for ground i only play RB, just because the alternative of both of those is just not fun imo, and i'm playing to have fun. i dont wanna spend ten minutes flying into an air battle only to get sniped by a plane i couldnt see, and i dont wanna play a gamemode where tank destroyers and light tanks are utterly useless
I hate arcade for one reason - the aim assist that everyone gets. It becomes a game of just moving a cursor around until it turns green, even if that means shouting though cover. Weak spots become irrelevant. Armor becomes irrelevant. You just click when the cursor goes green. How is that fun?
Personally i really love this game and it sometimes feels very good and can even make me happy after a long day, but this is all truth. I DEFINITELY agree with "don't treat war thunder like a job" and that cheater stuff, i also literally never seen a cheater in my matches.
I cannot ever believe people say they don't see cheaters. There are lots of them. My crew used to report them a LOT and they were banned, a LOT. But thats not evidence, the evidence is that Gaijin used to put out the list of hundreds they banned each month. They were only the ones they picked up. Trying to say you have never seen a cheater just shows you obviously are not paying attention. One of the biggest WT reddit 'champions' with thousands and thousands of posts including he has never seen a cheater, was caught cheating, went dark after that funnily enough. *edit - If you play a lot of arcade, you will not pick up on most cheaters. The game mode is basically what cheaters use in realistic. So just understand that realistic is where you find/see cheaters. In saying all of that before reporting cheaters make sure you review them in the replay, press 2 for their angle of view they see. You may be surprised what they saw.
@@Piesy001 How do the cheaters cheat? How do you spot them? I've been playing a lot of Naval Realistic and have had my suspicions but don't know what to look for....and does the Anti-Cheat really work and in what way?
The best way for a new player to play the game is to play a few arcade matches, then once they have around 3.7 BR vehicles, get some premium time, a month or so, and just play the stuff they like and unlock all of the vehicles in rank 3. Then when their premium expires, they should have a little nest egg of silver lions and can just play anything they want forever in ranks 2-3. The absolute worst way to play is to set your sights on some iconic rank 6 or 7 vehicle and try to powergrind to it. You'll have no fun, get super frustrated by every bad match that doesn't contribute to efficient grinding, and blast out a couple thousand hours of angry work/playtime before you can even test drive the vehicle. There's a reason the most veteran players say low tier is best tier. It is. 6.0 or 6.3 is about the highest BR you can go and still be in the fun range, but the sweet spot is 4.0 and below. It's a blast, every time.
I personally cant stand playing low tier, paying for high tier premiums to skip the entire tech tree was a really good decision for me, but thats really hard to know before
lol yeah. I'm so happy I only care for ww2 era vehicles. I would have quit by now if my cut off wasn't America 6.7 with the Super Pershing. Sure, it might not be great but it's one of my favourite tanks. 6.3 really is quite fun, especially in arcade.
Had a player on our team today who I watched from above as his P-47 was assaulted by three and then four opposing team members for several minutes with him taking dozens of hits yet he took no damage and proceeded to shoot them all down. I wish I could say this was unusual but I've been seeing it more and more often.
I've seen 4 engine bombers have more maneuverability than the fighters trying to shoot them down and fighters who have no speed or movement penalty and just outclimb everyone so they can farm camp
Mine was a KV-1 one-shotting me (PERFECTLY) through the middle of an intact large wooden building and no less that three tents blocking his view of me... O_o
I let a buddy play my top tier lineup, he enjoyed it enough to start playing. He then found ground RB considerably harder in the low-middle tiers without thermals and laser rangefinders. Wonder if WT would retain more players like him if lase and blaze gameplay wasn't a 6-month/$60 investment.
6months?? Maybe if you play all day and have premium. I have been playing for years still not at top tier (Germany 8.7, Russia 9.3 and some other nations around random mid brs) Tbh most of my time was spent without premium, I only gotten 180 days of premium not long ago (sold event items lol)
If you play arcade it tells you the range and gives you a cross hairs with hold over and penetration color on the cross hairs with the drop calculated.
@@DamanD i think i made a mistake getting every nation besides israel up to around 5.0. I've been focusing on USA/Germany and USSR the last few weeks but I should have maxed out a tree earlier
@@ASlickNamedPimpback is it not better to use 2/3 current tiers and than using a tierless vehicle such as a m22 or m18 than just using 2,speaking for arcade mode.
A year later but I wanted to add to this. Another tip: Don't just play American, Russian, and German. Those are the "big three" of the game but some of the most fun I've had playing War Thunder is when I decided to give the Chinese line (yes a lot of copypasta at first), British, and Italian (also quite a bit of pasta at times) tank lines. They all have some interesting tanks that you may discover to be your favorite. I know I had no idea that the British tanks would be my favorite line when I started playing (to be fair, there wasn't even a British tank line when I started)
@@wildmeatloaf8373 I mean...that's basically Italy, Sweden, Finland, Cold War Japan, and Israel already lmao. Everyone has T Series Russian tanks, Leopards, Cents, Shermans or Pattons in some way.
I personally was getting tired of grinding tier 3-4, that's why I bought the F-5C and it helped me grind through the U.S tech tree really fast. People were telling me how horrible of an idea it was but I personally find it much more fun to play the fast paced gameplay at br 10-11. I actually find playing jets to be easier than props, the only reason I play WT is to play jets tbh.
My apache premium chopper is what I grind with for silver..I've figured out how to evade the k50 and can decimate the ground forces leaving me with tons of silver to research other things on tech tree..I see many others now finding this out .you can def tell who's new to warthunder when they buy a k50 and they found kill other players and that's it ..gotta be a very small boring works for them because there is just so much complexity to this game that just that item..I encourage all new players to build build build..buy premium because it's actually worth it and if you buy premium buy something that match tanks and planes that's you've already researched so you have a full balance team..for me my fav br is 7.3 because that's where I'm at and enjoy the balance here..this tier is the area I'm not having to worry about more modern tech that will get me killed upon spawn so my game last longer which helps me learn each map with enough time to kill others while I progress..
Definitely like that jet, I would also recommend the 9.3 US Harrier. Harriers are great for capping airfields, mofos feel like your being launched off a carrier!
@@aname1612 the SL and RP efficiency at that tier is so low though. I bought the premium saber on the USA tree and played around 20 or 30 matches. It is now my highest SL and RP earner. Got the B29 in like 2 weeks starting at rank 1.
What I personally would recommend for any new player: Grind horizontally, not vertically. Example: I've always been having issues competing at top-tier air-rb. But when I started spading my tier 5 and 6 vehicles, I acquiered a lot of the necessary skills necessary to be effective at those battle ratings. I have over 2000 hours, yet I'm still learning new tricks, new small caviats every match. And it's important to understand the basics before going to more advanced stuff and what may be advanced for a certain tier might be counted as basic for the next tier of gameplay, such as the correct use of flares, which is rather advanced knowledge at tier 6, since most planes lack flares but is absolutely crucial for tier 7. It also adds to what is mentioned in the video: I am against newbies getting top tier vehicles, not because I don't want them to have fun or tell them what to do, but because experience is necessary to make this game enjoyable. As a last addition I would like to point out, that new players should at least try the different nations to get a feel for them. I play pretty much all major nations to a similar degree, meaning for example, I know what it's like to face an IS-2 as a Tiger 1, meaning I can use my experience as a Tiger 1 to know its strenghts and weaknesses when I'm fighting it in my IS-2. That also helps with a lot of the "cheaters" that you encounter or the prejudices you might have towards certain vehicles. Like "oh this tank is really op, because it can kill me so easily" but if you have experience in said tank, you might appreciate the skill of the player that killed you a bit more, if you have played the vehicle that killed you yourself and recognise its quirks and how to exploit them. What I'm saying is, don't get tunnelvisioned on one nation or one tech tree, enjoy and try to comprehend the full spectrum of vehicles on offer as it will benefit you by giving you overall experience but very situational experience as well.
Yes, agreed. I made the mistake of grinding the British aviation tree to get to the Spitfires thinking their mobility would be super OP. Then I got my ass handed to me match after match by guys in Bf 109's and other boom and zoom planes. It wasn't until I started grinding the Beaughfighters and Typhoons did I learn how less maneuverable planes can fight. Only then did I finally put it all together and figured out how to use the Spitfires strengths to my advantage and how to overcome its weaknesses. Having thorough knowledge of the capabilities of your enemy plane is just as important as knowing the capabilities of your own plane. And then I started grinding the German tech tree and never touched the Spitfires again. Lol. They are great planes, but I quickly learned that boom n zoom and energy fighting was where my strengths were at. Turnfighting in undergunned Spitfires was not my thing.
@@ccramit tho to be fair to the spitfires 7.92 damage is modeled badly - I have found that either it will one shot a plane when you shoot it on its wing or you will unload you entire mag on the plane and it will not have a dent
So my plan of spading every tank of a tech tree is actually smart, lol. And while doing that I'll update and correct or add the ammo rack data on the wiki to help players.
Except for star events, I’ve never spent a dime on the game but sold an event vehicle for 50 gaijin coins where I recently bought some sweet stuff with all those earnings
Only true if you want to get the most expensive vehicle or all of them, if you just want to get one or maximum two fun vehicles its totally doable while playing couple hours every other day
I just started maybe 2 months ago, and I love war thunder, because I’m a WW2 nerd, and I like playing Sherman’s, and T-34s, tigers, and KV-1s. I’m more of a plane player and I play P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, Bf-109s, FW-190s, Spitfires, Zeros, and more. I’ve started to grind to teir 5, (I have one t5) and it’s fun, since the Korean War is interesting, but honestly I have no desire to play top teir and I think the game is more fun that way.
Guys, remember, playing other games for a full month will be amazing, it will also make it more fun when you come back to war thunder, I did it every 2 months or if I felt like it. Good luck comrades
Started playing this game just a few months back. Initially I hope to play with an A7 attacker for several personal reasons but I figured out it would be really hard to get that pretty early. But in any case, playing those Air RB or arcade is awesome. The feeling of flying in your P63 or my most favorite so far, the P39N0, and engaging in a one to one dogfight is unparalleled! That feeling when it's you against another player of the world, another human, and you both fight to survive! Lost many such fights, and won many so far, and each time it's like its first time! So I forgot the initial plan and I just enjoy those mental moments being in a live online game! And the other great plus for me is eventually learning the history behind these planes and how they came to be. All in all I like this game, the only bad for me is the time it costs me. At some point I plan to spend some money on it just out of respect for the developers because I'm not interested in any special planes as I don't see any meaningful advantage to any of them yet, I've shot down some specials of them and it's all a matter of luck and whits. Keep an eye on surroundings, on your speed and altitude, judge your opponents intentions and such, all this makes the game cool! Time to go, see you in the skies! Update on May 2023: still haven't spend a dime in the game. Just about to get my first jet aircraft, but it doesn't matter as i usually play my Catalina, luring fighters and gunning them down! This game is awesome, and still no hint of any hackers around!
I’m currently flying both the p63 and the p39 and they’re great but for me nothing so far has beaten the first p51 you get with the 20mm cannons. At that BR they can easily destroy most planes with just a couple bursts and it feels amazing.
@@tardigradebacon6657 indeed but I'm quite trigger happy and fail to restrain myself so I need to reload constantly, so I dumped the P51 for a long time.went into playing with Soviets then a little German then back to USA planes. Once back, I managed to upgrade that P51 completely and reload time dropped from 42 seconds to 28 which was very nice! But I found their handling characteristics a little sluggish, do t know why!. While the P39 on the other hand feels so nimble for me, so easy to handle and play. But it lacks in firepower and indeed in turn times
At the low br's, if you have cannons you can pretty much shred anything! Can make arcade less fun though, as once your best plane is dead you will get torn apart before even seeing your attacker
@@hobbit6818 nice, took me 2-3 months to figure out the difference between cannons and MG. Got me very frustrated when I unlocked the P51 and needed 40 seconds to reload. Anyway, I've managed to get into a nice package of 5 airplanes, the P39's and P63 variants all of them. This was my best sortie. Then I dropped some slots to start playing bombers too! Bottom line is I find this game too funny to deal with the details, just fly and see what feels better. It's why my top favorite so far was the P39N. Cheap to repair and somehow felt more agile to me than anything else
YESSSSS flying the p39n0 is indeed my favorite plane too so far as well and i just got to rank 5. really fun plane and agree with everything, i dont think u can compare the thrill and fun of dogfighting in a plane with any other military/shooter games
War Thunder might have a lot of issues, but the natural learning curve (that is, the learning you go through by playing each of the Tiers in sequence) is a thing of utmost beauty. Each Tier has a different lesson for you to learn that adds up on and on again...
Couldn't have said it better, my friend just moved from 3.0 ground Germany to the tiger 1 in a matter of days, every br has something going for it and something new to experience and learn, my personal fav is 2.7-4.0ish for ground
It's a reason that the longer grinds are good, since every time you keep encountering more and more experienced players, forcing you to learn everytime a somewhat adequate time fpr you to learn the playstyles
The lesson is, there is always that OP prem plane on the other team so either stop crying or open the wallet and play those few chosen planes, totally defeating the purpose of having millions of vehicles... its just filler. :D
You hit the nail on the head! I'm used to the modern fighter jets, so I'm still learning how to fight with ancient aircraft. I forget often that the older aircraft didn't have the high G-force capabilities of today, and had 3 different styles of fighting. It's amazing how technology progressed over the years. Every game is going to have cheaters at some point, you just have to be good enough to deal with it, and be willing to report the obvious ones like invincibility hacks.
I play for the planes I loved as a kid and still love. I’m horrible with the Helldiver but because of my love of aviation and military history I love to fly it, and when I score some good hits or have a good round it’s just added fun. I sometimes make my own custom games to fight against the computer just because.
Same! I only play this game for the planes. It’s also super fun to land plays in chaotic scenes (or fly through them and surviving them). I just love to know how many different experiences there are in this game, and i also always look up to my researches after my matches, so i can unlock cooler jets, bombers with a lot of artillery.
I've been playing on Realistic so long because "that's what the youtubers play", I tried arcade recently, and it's so much more realistic! Tanks can actually move over terrain, like they're designed to, your spotter helps you identify enemies, and your teammates actually stay as a unit.
I started with RB because that was the mode you were "supposed" to play. Being colourblind however it gives me a severe competitive disadvantage and caused me a lot of frustration. When I skipped to AB it was like turining on the "playable" switch for me. I like it better because I can actually see the enemy but also because it is fast-paced, chaotic at times and it gives a slightly increased stress level knowing you're spotted pretty much all the time.
Only problem is realistic gives more rewards for playing, so it’s a give and take when it comes to which is better. Arcade is probably more fun but not quite as useful for getting shit.
@@kaijuslayer3334 in the end it entirely depends on what you are better at. If you do better at AB than RB, you will overall make more in AB than RB, same thing the other way around
I played WT for 6 years and almost everyday for 2 hours maximum after back from working, it's a really fun game if you're chilling with friends or playing alone. No matter what happens, this game is only fun if you're not try hard or be too competitive. I agree with Tankestein that this game is not enjoyable depends on circumstance. Ps: I got 5 nation with air and ground top tier xD
@@caralho5237 Lose sanity due to overworking. People need some rest from time to time, whether it's War Thunder or watching TV, or reading a nice book.
@@midnightvibes5485 its not about what i did its about what you didn't i've been putting more time into practicing guitar and exercising instead of gaming now, does you good
Sometimes taking out bad vehicles is fun for me, or like hard to use vehicles. I go into with the expectation that I’m going to get wrecked so when you even get a single kill, you can feel good, because you’re overcoming the dog performance of a vehicle and still triumphing. One of my favorite vehicles to this day is the He162 because I know it’s aweful compared to its br counterparts, but some people get legit offended getting killed by “the worst jet”, and that brings me joy :)
The history buff calls me to this game, I love it, easily one of my favorite games, and the 1000s of hours speak of my hatred for this trap of a game, but I always come back out of love for this unique game
I play for about two years now, some things would've been helpful to know, like the grind, amount of time it needs and that it can be exhausting. But I'm really happy at BR 4.0 Air battles and stood there until today, sometimes I battle in higher rankings and different game modes, but those are still a bit confusing. Never knew or recognized that repair costs are that high. The "no cheaters" part is the main reason I love this game despite its flaws.
I started playing about a month and a half ago. Personally I’m a hyper-focused and near obsessive grinder in video games and I’m fine playing this game. My first tree was the German tree and I bought the King tiger pack when I realized I was gonna stick around and because I think King Tigers are cool. I played a bunch of matches with it as my only vehicle but also brought in backups so I wouldn’t just leave after one death but had the option to if the match aggravated me. I’m now in Tier VI Germany and I have fun playing all of the BRs. I started France quite soon after I started playing because I quickly passed my friends’ (who have played the game longer but play ALL factions) low BR and I really enjoyed the French tech tree. I liked the Amx Super and grabbed it much like the King Tiger after watching tons of videos saying to be careful. I found I liked the play style of top tier and although I died a lot and burned a lot of backups, I had fun and learned a lot. While climbing the French tree I consistently did well and again I’ve caught up to my Amx Super’s BR while my friends are still at a low BR. My next target is Sweden and I’m not at all close to burning out of this game.
The War Thunder dream lmao, iv been playing since 2017 and have gotten to the m1a1, F5E, and F4 phantom. Its a pain but I recently retried doing the German tree and i am currently researching the 2A4
My one and only tip for all of you guys is: Don't play to unlock vehicles, unlock to play.(Don't focus on playing to unlock them, focus on having fun. If you don't surpass the 2-week adapting stage, don't play any longer)
One of the key things in enjoying War Thunder is getting to know your vehicles. There is a lot of in depth modeling done, learn engine management, move from arcade into more realistic modes and you will find that even the beginner or even reserve vehicles have a lot to offer, especially in airplanes. Coming from the old IL2 1946 days, war thunder has so much more content and things to do than even the best flight sims from the older eras, even in early levels. Getting new planes if fun, but dont set it as your ultimate goal, or you will probably not enjoy the game too much.
Yeah, when I first started using P51-Ds in RB, I really had to rethink my approach to the game. Eventually I went from being a total scrub to getting 3+ kills in a single match, all because I knew how to use my particular plane. It's insane how different fighters from the same era can be in RB and SB.
I was at 7.7/8.3 and bought the t-72 AV Turms a couple weeks ago, it took me a couple days to adjust but at 9.7 my bmp-1 and zsu-57 still do surprisingly well. From what I've observed until now I'd probably say that as soon as you get a grasp of ATGMs + Helicopters you're probably ready for top tier, of course that very much depends on the particular instance but for me it worked pretty well and I've had a load of fun in the Turms even while only having 7.7 experience!
I remember when the M42 Duster, Falcon, and Kugelblitz were all top tier SPAA. The IS4M and Jagdtiger were the most fierce opponents you could encounter. But even back then, the grind was tough. Certainly though it’s more challenging today. I’ve spent 3500 hours playing this game. Started in summer 2016. I really wish I could go back in time. Don’t get me wrong. Current 9.7 is my favorite BR. Wouldn’t trade my Leo 2K for the world. But things were just much more simple and fun 7 years ago.
11:24 "Be the type of player that you want on the enemy team" and I'd like to add: "Be the type of teammate you want on your side." I think you touched on it but it could always use more emphasis: Shoot at the plane *behind* your teammate, not the one in front of him. They're worth the same SL for shooting them down, and one actually helps your teammate.
I keep trying to help teammates who deserve it, often to my own disadvantage. And I have hung someone out to dry because I asked for help and he kept shooting at bots. I finally evaded the guy on my tail, got my plane fixed, and when that teammate called for help... Well, he was useful as bait.
I can second the tip about taking time through the brackets. I bought my first premium (xm1) when I was at 7.7, thinking a 1.6 br difference wouldn't be that much harder, only to get pounded into oblivion for 20-30 games while I learned how 9.3 worked.
@@trickedraptor The problem with those premiums is that unless you buy a helicopter with that XM1 or the T-72 you don't have a lineup at that BR, lineups are everything, and it's why people struggle with top tier premiums, and premiums in general
Hey new players! I have 1063,5 hours in War Thunder and I haven't played since the 11th of January 2021. Now 1,5 years later I must say that the game can be pretty cool but I played Germany 95% of the time and still not have reached top tier. I have two or three jets and I am at the end of tier 3 or 4 in tanks while I barely touched ships. The tip at 7:36 is the one I needed. I grinded two events completely and did one just a bit. I have earned three vehicles. The Object 279, some Mig-21 variant and a Sd.Kfz with a Pak 36. What did it cost me? 2 Weeks of my life for the Object 279 and Mig-21 *each*. The Pak 36 also demanded a fair amount of time. It did really absorb waaaay to much time and it did really turn into an mental healt issue for me! The economy also didn't help... My personal advice is honestly to keep away from the game. From what I've experienced it isn't really worth it and the developers seem to slowly worsen things.
@@Pughhead even without premium account, you shouldn't need an excessive amount of time for something like this. Having to pay to have a good grind should be a privilege and not a need
Great video. It is a grind and the learning curve at certain tiers is brutal. I was on and off and I would guess it took me 5 to 6 months to start having more games in the positive than the negative, kill/death ratio. Sniping can be great and getting sniped can either feel devastating or appreciative of their skill or luck.
With 4 years of playing, I've somewhat completed Germany and US tech trees while Japan is up to 8.7, Soviets I have up to 9.3 and British up to 8.7, grinding up to top tier takes a very long time without premium vehicles and premium time, I finished Germany within a week or 2 and not every vehicle has been fully spaded (unlock all their modifications) either way top tier technically has no skill since most shells are able to go through so much armor. Lower tiers/ranks like 3-4 is more fun because it tends to be more balanced. The purchasable vehicles should require some level so that players would have some experience before even getting a top tier premium. Top tier and meta changes have ruined some aspects of the game i.e. Heavy tanks from 6.0+ due to the shells in-game. Overall these passed 4 years has been long and now I only login and play a few matches now, but I still play because it is still fun to play with people or just soloing matches.
10:10 - "force you to switch back and forth between nations" There is a tip you missed on this one It's great to know your own vehicles from whatever nation or combat vehicle you favor But it's just as good to know the vehicles of other nations too, since you will be fighting against them. Learning how to fly a Fw 190 is just as important as knowing how to fly against a Fw 190
Warthunder is the only game I can play for 10 minutes max. Hell sometimes I don’t make it that far most days. Also sucks being stuck at rank 4 after playing for 3 years makes it feel pointless to even log in.
my tip for new players is to use one of the better low tier countries. some of the smaller countries are a little harder to grind when you arent as experienced. germany has a lot of really good vehicles that can be unlocked early and used for learning but i dont like its late game vehicles as much. Japan is the same way. Russia and the US are the two best all around with each providing different strengths and weaknesses.
i absolutley dislike british and american tanks in tier 1, the allies had such underpowered guns at the beginning of the war... even soviets had better guns
Another set of tips to keep in mind, hopping back to lower brs and other nations can allow you to minimize your losses. Personally I like 4.3-5.3 as a grind br. I haven't really spent any money on this game, if anything, my purchases are easily under $50. Don't let the game get to you, although treating everything as a "feature" may not make everything better, enjoy the little things and also remember that there's mods which you can easily get in the game client side, be it sound mods, user skins, sights, or custom missions. The WT community is a dedicated space when it comes to the modders, with new stuff added and old stuff updated everyday. And if you ever need mindless almost harmless fun, try the custom matches, someone is sure to have a sort of silly server. Or ask some of the small streamers playing WT, they'll likely have some way to allow you to join them on stream and you can feel like a celebrity.
I’d also consider arcade mode as like a simulator for the game. It’s a great place to just relax or if your a new player then it’s a great place to learn how the game works. The trolls who make fun of you for playing it are just trolls, don’t feed them. They have to learn that an expert in anything was once a beginner and that they were like their victim at one point too.
Sometimes i just see 1000rp as 1 game so i just feel like its a tiny grind. For example the M1A1 requires 320,000 RP to unlock but the way i see it is 320 games so i feel like its accomplish able
@@tangmengtit888 i am not touching naval again because of the split trees. Cost me 100000rp to get the emden then now since jt has its own tree it is waaay cheaper to research. Like i guess my 50k rp is gone now
Each game for me personally in tank RB takes around up to 20 minutes, 20 X 320 is around 4 and a half days constantly playing the game. Usually a lot of games are cock-ups also. It all depends on if you REALLY want to get a tank or vehicle. My old mission was to get the T64a when that was released, over time the T64B and T80B got released by the time I got the T64A, the horrid sluggish grind in the IS-4 nearly made me quit lol
A strategy i am using is whenever a battlepass event starts whatever warbonds i gather through challenges i would just dump info 30% / 50% boosters to get some longevity out of them also helps using a high base rp/sl reward
I completed the italian tech tree (almost, i have like 4 tanks left to research) in 3 days. Because when the battlepass first released, you could exploit it by getting a tonn of boosters from it and then basically just activate booster after booster, in a row. Just chainsmoke boosters, and rapidly progress through BR 4 to 9 in a short period of time
This should be required viewing for all players, noob or not. I particularly appreciated the tip to play as other nations. I got into this game solely because I'm very interested in old vehicles. Therefore, I prefer lower tier, older vehicles. I've actually reverted to lower tiers just because I like the older tanks so much. Really cool video
@zeffzee2479 it's great isn't it? I recently had to start a new account and while I'm sad about all the money i spent on premiums; I'm having a blast re-grinding all these lower BR vehicles
I sometimes take a "Holiday" in BR 1.3. Just a few matches where I get to beat the living snot out of everyone. Once rested, I can go back and play at Rank 3 and 4.
There are definitely some things I wish to add, and I do not mean to be pretentious. I appreciate the effort that went into the video. So for some further more in depth clarification: 10:06 - Auto Repair - Does it save you money? Sure, technically. Auto repair essentially just repairs a vehicle immediately after a match where it was destroyed, and repairing a vehicle costs ingame currency, infamously known as _repair costs_ . So turning auto repair off will make it so you have to manually "pay" to repair the vehicle instead of automatically deducting the cost from the battle. I wouldnt say it saves you tons of money, because you are going to have to repair the vehicle at some point, and UNLESS gaijin has miraculously lowered the repair cost before you repair a vehicle (
If you don't auto repair the crew will repair the tank over time. The repair time depends on the tank + crew skill in repair ability on the last tab of the crew skills. So you could technically log in a day, play your tanks of all nations until all are destroyed. Log out come back a week later and all have been repaired for free.
Personally, in my experience with the german air tree, I like the speed of the grind, because it's not unreasonable, and since I'm always learning about how to better fly those planes, it gets more and more fun. Also, I normally limit my weekday playtime to an hour and a half at most, with a 3 hour session on either Saturday or Sunday, and a single for a detox
Great points. For me, I started playing War Thunder in 2016ish. At the time, many of these applied to me, sans whaling on a top tier jet or something. Out of frustration, and getting distracted by a new PS4, I stopped playing for years. This last year, I've finally got back into it. I have been learning so much more than I had ever learned before, and for the first time ever, I spent money on the game, and some of your points, and points other content creators have made, helped me finally find a way to enjoy this game more sustainably. First, I never had much interest in any of the high tier stuff. I just wanted to play my WWII tanks and planes and call it good, and while that's still probably my main area of interest, the addition of the MiG 29 made it clear that my primary tree is going to be Russia, because if (or more likely when) the Su-27 is added, the closer I am to it the better. So despite just now breaking into tier 3 vehicles, I purchased a tier 4 premium, the Yak-3 VK109. I did this because it's a well rounded energy fighter that can help me learn the ropes in a tier where many of the players understand some of the basics of energy fighting, and I'm already familiar with the general flight characteristics of the common Yak fighter airframe. I used a chunk of my remaining GE to upgrade my crew to a suitable level for the plane (and obviously those below it) and I'll leave the rest for other things. But... as of writing this, I'd already put 260 hours into the game. I'm not sure I could have brought myself to spend almost $70 (disregarding what was left of the Christmas money in my Steam wallet) had I not done so in a FTP game. More important than any of that though is I'm finally emotionally mature enough to just stop playing the game when I'm not having fun, I can thank the new CoD for that. Hearing frustrated teammates screaming over their mic because they can't stop themselves from playing even though they've long stopped having fun is a great reminder that hey, I can stop playing whenever I want.
I dont get past of Tier IV because when i get to the last tank or Aircraft of tier IV i go on onto another nation to grind tbh , i love the charm of WW2 vehicles , the only nation in which i got to top tier is the U.S but i dont play to much with those top tier tanks
I've probably been playing a few months at most, and did a rather lenghty break, currently my highest right now is 3.3 with a Panzer 4 F2, got bored, then I forgot that there are south African vehicles in this game, so I switched to the British tree, wasn't too bad, rn in at 2.3 with a SARC with the 2pdr, and I've never had this much fun in this game for a while Also, a little lesson for the newer players, if your dedicated into playing this game, make sure you don't get angry over someone one shotting your ass from kilometers away, it's not worth getting angry over, rather after the match test drive some vehicles, learn the weakpoints, play a few custom matches with bots to ease some tension and learn a few techniques, and you'll be better in no time, the grind WILL be pain staking, bit always remember at the end, you'll eventually get what you want
Also note. Sometimes matchmaking will be kind to you, other times it will not. Last weekend I had a day where I averaged about 4 kills a game with the peak being 9 kills. Today I got savagely beaten down in every single match I played. Over 5 games I got 3 kills. That was sign enough for me to put it down for the day.
one of the most interesting players ive ever seen in warthunder was a dude with thousands of games in the stuart and hardly any in any other tank. he was even lvl100 which says something about how much time he put in it. i guess he just enjoyed the stuart and was fine with it bc even though he had the shermans and m24 unlocked he had no more than 5 matches in those vehicles. Truly a unique player. Another unique player i met was a dedicated ground rb player who had top tier in multiple nations and mained germanly with good stats to brag about too but he had never flown any aircraft. the only stat he had for an aircraft was 1 match with the he51 in air rb and that was it. nothing air related in sim or arcade.
Wait you mean someone found out the point of a game is to(GASP!) have fun playing it? That you can live without the newest most shiny toys! Why I'm shocked oh the horror, think of the children!
Good idea and well done video. I've had an account since WT came out, but just started playing this summer. I was a top level player in WoWS and near top in WoT, but have quit both those games because, well Wargaming. Its not just the long grind (I actually don't really care about top tier), its the steep learning curve. I am improving and it definitely helps watching TH-cam vids and streamers of good players - in fact this is key. This is the best channel I have found that really breaks down and describes the nuances of the game like this. Well done!
Yeah, too bad WT naval is not fun. Atleast for me, i love WoWs but i quit after i realize the greedy nature of wargaming started growing in that game ( i guess they wanna sucks more money like they did with WoT ). Love that game tho, too bad i cant keep paying for camos each time i go to battle just to not have a disadvantage.
@@theluluexpress8528 you are in for a treat. Can't wait to see your face making 9 kills at rank 3 and get a negative silver income even with a premium account. I like the game but economy sucks big ones
As a person buying myself into the usa tech tree with the f5c. I can agree. At the start i had regretted purchasing thinking that f5c was the worst aircraft or worst premium. I had ended up quitting and cant touch the game. Recently ive gotten back into it and now im fairly decent and im also willing to try to get better. Currently almost finishing up tier 4 and i had quit when i was tier 3 early. Ive come a long way since and i can say ive definitely improved. Buying premiums or getting up to high tier fast is difficult to adapt too as its majorly different to tier 2 early. But as long as you are dedicated you can get better. For those who relate or are going through this. Dont give up, it may feel like a chore eventually its always nice to take breaks but dont waste the money you spent as as soon as you finally adapt and are better warthunder is quite a blast to play.
Excellent video. Lots of great advice and information. As a filthy casual who's been imprisoned in War Thunder since 2014, I can vouch for everything said here. I'm still trying to beat mid-war 109s in my mid-war Spitfires, and it IS a skill issue.
There was a time when I had at least one cheater per day. It's not always the shooting through vegetation or cover. ULQ cleared many strange encounters. But if your enemy looks around in a strange nonorganic manner and for some reason looks exactly where enemies are, even though the player should be unable to see them, then you have found a cheater or hacker. Luckily I played no higher than 6.7 and back in the day 6.7 was a lot more fun. That reduced the amount of them and these days I seldomly find them anymore, however I mostly play 4.3, 5.3 or 5.7 and no higher throughout all nations.
Well if you found that many cases surely you recorded some, but I doubt it since the wording of your comment really makes me think none of them were cheating
I reported them via server replay, as that is the only thing the mods accept, IF it really was hacking. That did not require recording it yourself. I can only give you a few examples from other TH-camr who actually recorded things for their channel, which pretty much looked like what you would see on a hacker/cheater. Aside from that getting shot was not on my priority list for content, unless I did not get taken out. You are right in that department.
sounds like youre calling people hackers based on if they corner peaked you hard enough and had "nonorganic" movements, i dont doubt there are hackers playing but it sounds the same as the kids who still say their are hackers on console gta or hackers on console siege, if there was one every match, youd think there would be more videos showcasing exactly what youre talking about. As of now most cheating videos are of people just simply using a basic aimbot but are practically all a year or more old, maybe i find cheating allegations with no evidence so humorous because ive been accused of cheating in all sorts of games even in war thunder
currently over 1 year. and 3k hours into the game. i fit in the house and prison situations. man i love the game. it has its moments. i dont play to win. but its frustrating to see how gaijin messes it up
I like the philosophy you come at this video with. Very good idea to try to impress these values on potential players. Gaijin won't like it... but you're making the world smarter. Thanks!
Yes, with over 5k hours in that game i found out that its not about getting to top tier, its about playing what you enjoy the most. I'm not playing as much as i used to lately, but tier 2-4 is most fun you will get. I have Germany up to what would you consider top tier few years back (Leo 2k, Leo A1A1, both RakjPz 2, even tanks you cannot research anymore like Mouse, 105 Tiger 2 and Panther 2) but not playing them, i just don't care about them and instead I stick to low tier tanks that are much more fun imho. Just play what you feel is fun and don't fall into the grind circle where you always need the latest, shiniest tanks Gaijin puts in
Same here. I usually bring my Puma for fun and troll moves alongside the Jagdpanzers with pretty darn decent guns and armour for wreaking havoc across the battlefield, that's just so much more fun than constantly being barrel-tortured and barrel-torturing others in high-tier matches. Here you either penetrate and the enemy vehicle goes KABOOM or you don't and you are the one who ends up in flames.
I've been playing Warthunder since 2017 and since then I've spent unbelievable amounts of time and around $2400 on the game. Honestly one of the worst decisions I made was getting addicted to this game. I stopped going outside, skipped work, and spent all the money I got on it. It destroyed my mental health and created a gaming addiction because I wanted vehicles so badly. I still mostly play 4.7-7.7 even though I grinded so desperately to get top tier vehicles. It really isn't worth dedicating yourself to the game. Play for fun, don't grind, and be happy with the vehicles you have.
Bruh. I’ve heard of War Thunder addiction, and I can sort of get saying no to hanging out with frienfs because you’re playing a game, but skipping work and spending entire salaries on the game? That’s crazy to me.
Very good. I learned a lot of this the hard way. I wish I had seen a video like this when I started. Also, a tip I have is: every year on the game's anniversary premium account goes on sale and you can get a year's worth for half off. I definitely suggest getting it. Premium account is probably the best thing you can get to speed up your grinding.
Been playing the game since the end of 2012. Always loved my 109's i went from playing arcade to realistic in 2 months and at the end of 2019 i started flying in sim. Never been a high tier guy, i love the WW2 birds and i keep to it. Got some jets but they never really spoke to me
Some good observations. I’ve made several of the mistakes you’ve mentioned and I can verify your points. Had to take a step back and just go through each vehicle and have fun unlocking all the modifications and paint jobs. Not on every nations tree as I leaned my lesson the hard way in just the French jets. And seriously… don’t buy the high tier premiums until you’ve already earned that tier. Your pilots will pass out less often. Haha. Also I play mostly aircraft and ships and really enjoy the ww2 stuff most. Kinda wish they’d add some WW1 type planes. Might be cool. But I ramble… nice vid and good advice.
On December, Gaijiin had a 50% sale on premium vehicles, I bought 1000 GE and asked people what vehicle should I buy and they all said XP-50, I bought it and at the time I was only around 2.3 BR and when I tried the XP-50 I absolutely sucked and blamed it on the vehicle, I then moved to USSR and grinded till tier 4 and decided to try the XP-50 again and I absolutely dominated getting around 35K-60K SL per match. In just 3 days alone of grinding I was able to reach 2 million SL total using the XP-50. So yeah I think you need to try out the game before spending huge sums of money on the game.
Just started playing 5 days ago, cant thank you enough for the time you spent to make this and help newers players. you CAN NOT put a value on the information you just shared and a value on the time and money you saved people! For now bc i do enjoy this game, im old and enjoy this pace of game, i will stick to buying a starter pack and enjoy the lower tiers and the time it will take to unlock the tiers naturally. Long road ahead but nice knowing i found a game i can grind at any pace and enjoy. Totally changed my mind on several things and the direction i will now go and how i spend my time on here. Much love and thanks again!
Its very fast and easy in start, because everybody else are new beginners, so you can enjoy the start, but somewhere around tier three it starts to get harder, when players get better and you need a lot more SP to unluck new tanks, like you need 30000 SP in tier 3, while you needed 3000 SP in tier 1. In War Thunder you also need to know where do your bullet penetrate through the tank to kill its crew to destroy the tank, when if you dont know you can miss a lot kills and it can get more frustrating. In higher tier there will be a lot campers with Soviet KV’s or German Sturm tanks, so you must look out, when they can eaisly just one shot you, so better to get with good manuver to their side or to their behind to kill them and then you need to look for the points, when typically 2 points from 3 is enough to win the game, when winning game gives a lot more SP, than loosing and after all my three tanks died in the battelfield. I go quickly for the next game to not waste any time in the grind, when one game can go very long before it ends, when still few people in both sides alive, when the game is ending, when most player died already three times.
Welcome to the suck! But really. I am new also lvl 47. What I have to share is to pick one lineup and go with it. If you turn off auto repair you save and play more nations. Play ground RB not arcade. Ok maybe start to learn a little bit play RB trust me. It’s hard yes but you will earn more RP and SL. Also play air AB. Arcade in air is fun. AR is hard has shit. One plane, as much ammo as it holds, and start on ground. I went US then German, then Russia, and China. Play and enjoy. Don’t get mad. And you will get shot from something you can’t see all the damn time !! MELTxMAN - Xbox player
I can speak from experience with the burnout. Recently I was really frustrated with the game and just not in a good mood so I took about a week long break and feel so much better.
Im playing war thunder for about 7 or 8 months now, and i know to myself I can't form a proper and fair opinion about war thunder and the experience playing it that all i can do is complain, i played thinking im free...turns out i just created my own prison. my average lifetime in 5.3 to mid tier(6.3) (USSR,Germany,US) is about 3-6 mins. I can't do crap, im partially blind due to playing in ulq then everyone calls me a cheater cause i play in ULQ, im forcing myself to have fun and play on a PC where i shouldn't be, im coping for a mental health issue that i dont know cause i cant afford to get a professional help, all i can do is play games to atleast numb my mind and continue life, keep my sanity and live life as a 3rd world teenager can, ill admit it, im bad at war thunder, like fr, i recently found my favorite BR and country, and i did well, maybe cause the players are new but who cares, that's the only time where i get double digit kill count (11-13) and i feel good about myself for that, that's why im still playing, and uptiers drains my sanity, like when i play 5.7 ill be uptierd to 6.3-6.7 but when i use a 6.3 ill get uptierd to 7.0, jets are startling me, random heat from somewhere, a tank that i cant pen, drove for about 5 mins then got killed,return to hangar with no kills... its a mixed emotion for me and i hate it. and yes, i vented here so i must be sus😩
I played a good bit about 6 years back when i was in my first year of college and was up to the Tiger II and Panther G on PC just playing on my laptop on min settings. I've moved past it and I've just recently started playing again but on my Series X (losing all my progress unless I start playing on both again). I've played alot of WoT on console from 2013-2020. So I know how to position decently and have a pretty good grasp of armor thickness/where to shoot. My biggest gripe isn't the tech tree grind because it's not a huge deal to me given how I used to play WoT, but my biggest problem with WT is how shit the economy is. Had a game earlier where I racked up 6 kills in my M10 GMC before dying only to earn 10k SL at the end of the match
I still think thats the better way to do it, especially when you need sets for tanks or boats even in RB and sim. Now you grind, unlock a tank and then you cant even use it because you dont have enough to fill a proper set and obviously it needs to get spaded with parts etc.. I havent played in 4 years, came back because I saw modern MBTs are a thing but after 2 days I already think I will quit again
Good advice, thanks. Hope to get out of the tier where everyone likes to kamikaze you just for the kill. I'm new and I gotta say it has been a challenge to find a happy balance in the game for controls. Once I managed to get my throttle quadrant working with mouse aim and maneuver this was a big game changer for me. I love my hotas but the mouse made it super easy and fun with the throttle quadrant, making it feel like I was still in a simulation. Keep on flying high folks.
My biggest issue with high tier is the prevalence of air dominance in ground battles, I really wish there was an actual ground battle mode, with no air.
This. I don't often rage at the game, and normally getting bombed doesn't get to me, but I admit it makes me a bit salty to be right on the cusp of pulling off a huge flank that I patiently worked hard to achieve only to get cheesed by some plane with a bomb that I can't do anything about even though I did everything right. Just give me 100% ground battles and may the best man win
The other thing with wt is if your team is getting stomped make it your objective to stomp out the issue, if it's air craft bring an anti air lineup into the game, if it's bombers then take out the bombers
Well done. As a 7 year player, this is spot on. I'd only add that buying any premium vehicle is rarely worth the cost over buying annual premium account time - which is typically 50% off around Christmas time.
I play almost only arcade in air battles, it just feels more alive and moving than air RB since you can actually respawn, and don't spend a lot of time traveling to the fight at low tiers. You can also strategize with your team, I have a prewritten message saved to paste into the chat that can provably increase my winrate a little. I prefer RB for tanks and boats, and I also occasionally play SB air, for example I'm watching a movie or a stream I can grind bases with a bomber on the other screen. Point is the last point of the video, don't let anyone shit on your favourite game mode, different people like different ways to play, and I won't call someone bad because they enjoy the aiming pointer in ground AB or something.
Arcade is boring though in my opinion, I prefer the longer matches, it feels much more like a real life battle. It's a lot more punishing, but also a lot more rewarding.
Something I've learned while playing 1.0-6.0br German Air. Be prepared to be disappointed, German planes despite having great firepower are extremely sluggish. It took me hundreds of hours to learn how to play the Bf109's and the Fw190's. Watch other players, see how they fly their 109's/190's and try to model yourself after them. You don't have to be stuck only doing Boom-and-Zoom every game, you can learn how to properly dogfight with them, it just takes time. Watch tutorials on flying, flaps, manual controls then put them to the test to see what's comfortable for you. One tactic that I'll let you in on that several of my German Mains can swear by, don't be scared to go head on with any plane, throw your shots first at 1km away then pull up and away immediately after. If they take the bait, you'll get your nose on them before they can.
bf 109s were so dominant at one point and german bais felt like a real thing. These days matches are much different and teams are strange combinations (pun intented), also after adding so many new planes there cant be one top dog and each plane has its strengths in different scinaerios including the 109 and fw
Hate to be that guy, but German planes are literally one if the most maneuverable trees out there. Trying to play France or sometimes even Japan in air is literally impossible since the BF-109 E4 will delete you and fly circles around you.
@@ohthatswild1755 rofl. Russian tree? Brits with their spits? American p38s? 😂😂 Maybe the f4, but remind me again which plane gets outturned by a g6? ;)
Thanks. Good distinction between how to play vs what your experience will actually be like. These are hard truths this beginner appreciated hearing. Also, I really like your positive attitude, despite this video being about the negatives of playing WT.
This is really good advice. Because how much fun you have is totally based on how good you are. Not your tank. Super important to know the maps and shooting lanes. Where you can squeeze a round through some ruins. From decent cover. Then boogie off to the next spot as your team rolls forward. How fast you can deploy smoke and dip out when you crest that hill and youre facing a firing squad. Picking your shots. Waiting for that thin armour to present itself. And being able to recognize at a glance if youre out matched, not firing and continue hunting for a better target.
I never understood why people complained about the grind I looked at it from an mmo standpoint doing and it seemed fairly easy, the worst is grinding out that phantom and then having to grind out its modifications I've always found unlocking the mods more annoying than the jets themselves
Oh and the ques the ques are the worst at end game sometimes I wonder if all the time I spent on ques could have unlocked a tier 7 jet faster by using lower br jets instead of jets within a 1.0.br range
I mean they probably started playing to play stuff like the Abrams and they start the game and see they gotta play in the M2 medium with M3A1 light tanks and got maybe 2 years of grinding ahead of them
I've been coming and going over the years...I enjoy it for a while and I do find the aviation side easier to play. The tanks side is a bit of fun with some challenge and the naval is hell as much as I want to get the crafts I want I find naval to much of a grind. But then once i'm in the right mind set I do spend alot of time on it.
About the "Not everyone cheats" part, for the first 3 or 4 years of my WT career (revolving door style) I wholeheartedly believed hackers were rampant and the whole community was just coping about it. But then, one day, I began discovering little tricks and minute details of the game that, once I learned them, I began seeing from the perspective of those who i accused as cheaters in the past and I realized how things actually worked. At that moment my level of skill elevated dozenfold. The details really matter. War thunder isn't point and click, it's astonishingly mathematical. And, two things to note for all new players that is ESSENTIAL INFORMATION: Knowledge is power. It's about the journey, not the destination.
2012 Vet' here ; I keep telling this simple rule to anyone who join.. "Everything can kill everything if well managed" And that's the beauty of this game ! No enemy is "too" strong, you just need to think and outplay them ! Last "tip" ; LISTEN to seasonned players typing in chat ! They dont want to lose at the end and they "know" some things to really help to win !
if you were a tru vet youd know thats the farthest things from the truth, only low br cheese HE stuff works in tiers above it, and dont even get me started on the maus if it doesnt get uptierd
This is true! I have been dragged by some friends into top tier while i was using a Ms.105 (french early fighter Br 1.3). I managed to get 2 kills in one match by getting my friends to dogfight a enemy jet and then once the jet is at slow speed i pounce and shred the jet by aiming for the cockpit with my 20mm cannon and 7.5mm guns.
Vet?!?! LOL must be a RICH VET, because the game makes Premium Accounts or anyone who spends money in it, an ace. It is horribly manipulated, the game, gtfo
@@gbc.art.bra.49 ZIS 30, 15cm sIG 33, Ho-Ro and many more tanks are capable of taking down high br vehicles (even Gaijin themselves said this about the sIG 33). As for ships, well nobody plays those anyway
You had me on everything but the cheating part. It's a loaded statement to say you never see cheaters. That's assuming every cheater is obvious to you.
For those who are still stuck on silver lions try to use the Israeli S199 Sakeen BR 3.3 Match Maker 3.0 in AAB the Sakeen is the meta plane thanks to its cannons and the fact that 50% of the players you would be facing are biplanes so to earn SL: Go to AAB (in ARB this plane sucks, just a worse BF109) and play as agressive as you want (if you researched up to tier 4 i bet you have the skills to do it well) the S199 has 3 free respawns (both in AAB GAB and GRB) so its not that hard to get a lot of kills with it when you feel you learned the plane you can start grinding wagers with it (like i do) also as a bonus playing like this makes the Israeli grind (which is to be honest the easiest of nations) a hell lot easier (because of excess research points) another bonus is when there is an areal event vehicle you can do it with the S199 a lot quicker (couple of hours for each task and a greater chance of getting the coupon) for those who want to know this is my statistics (Arcade) with the S199 (as of 8 Nov. 24 i am level 66) Victories: 152 Battles: 260 V/B: 58% Respawns: 675 Deaths: 548 Areal Kills: 1,517 Ground Kills: 211 SL Gain: 1.6M (excluding wagers) RP Gain:117K K/D is around 3/1
Why I Still Play War Thunder After 8 Years: th-cam.com/video/aDGUHIBdtZ8/w-d-xo.html
Definite thumbs up!
Would you research the differences of computer vs console, both Sony & Xbox, play experience for beginners in as well?
im glad to hear it gets harder because i almost quit playing it in tier 1 because it was just to easy
*me with over 6,000 hours* haha yea im never gonna let this silly game become a problem haha..ha.......
hey man can you make a video about the KI-43 3 otsu that can bring 2 250kg bomb for ground support
I play War thunder for 4 years strait and i still just enjoy Tier 1-3 since i am still so bad xD xD
Pro tip for new players: play for fun. If you dont feel like playing, dont play it and come back once you want to play again. This goes for litteraly any game.
This a good advice coming from WoT as well. (which also have quite a grind as well)
@@GregorianMG It can have a grind but it's nowhere near the levels of War Thunder
@@DeathknightDragon True, the grind in War Thunder is extreme.
Let's just say in World of Tanks, I can easily grind Tier V and Tier VI and its modification (in WT, it's equal to Rank III/IV) in a rather short time. But beyond that, it's pain but manageable. In WT, It takes a long time just to grind a single tanks and its modification and it's probably takes even longer just to reach Rank III and IV even with booster. Good luck trying to reach the Top Tier as well in WT lol.
But eh, both games are fun on its own especially in the middle tier.
A Pro-tip?...from a donk!
Yeah I started War thunder as to just have fun
My relationship with WT is remembering how fun it was once every few months, playing for a few hours, and remembering why I stopped.
That's what I did for years with WoWS, but I doubt I'll ever play again. Looks like it's at the start of its death spiral.
@@bigwitt187 wow is still very active its wot that's dying
@@misfit4ever01 I didn't say it wasn't active. They keep adding to the top end, making it more and more difficult for anyone that doesn't want to pay their way to the top. It's been going on for years, eventually it will take a toll.
@@bigwitt187 how is it difficult if you dont pay?I'm a free player and still have tons of nice ships several to tier 7 and a few legendary ships like the Yamato and I stated its very active because games on a death spiral usually aren't super active
@@misfit4ever01 Do you not know how words work? It takes more time to reach top tier if you don't pay, I didn't say it was impossible. It's at the beginning of the death spiral, most of the people left are invested in the game but it has lost prominent players and has had several PR disasters. It's holding for now, and it might be another 5 years before it declines noticeably, but they're locked into a pattern of milking the high-end players for all they're worth. People have become tired of it, and eventually even those that are invested will be fed up and move on. Once the whales no longer buy every piece of content WG puts out, it will die.
Another Tip: Uninstal WT once every 6 months and play something else for about 3/4 months. It may be a bit long but it will help you keep you're mentality
Yes
...help you keep you are mentality.
That's... some grammar.
@@johnroscoe2406 pray for him. he's starting to lose it.
@@x_Degurechaff_x Effect of playing WT once every 6 months
@Sir Nurtle Well, that tip is pretty useless to me, I'm playing WT 1 and half year without uninstalling or switching to other game and I'm still fine. It need to just have some fun in game. Like trolling, playing with friend, etc.
Nobody ever mentions the advantage older players have with maxed crews. I was getting smoked constantly in ASB because my pilot was blacking out matching my opponents turn rate. Now it's much better with higher stats.
I think I have 2 tanks with the same gun, but one crew is new and the reload times are 1.7 seconds slower. That's an enormous advantage.
I feel like air sim is the one game mode where crew skills don't matter and its all about who paid for TrackIR and who didn't 😂
You can buy max crew level very cheaply and surpass years of grind
@@tuomaskarjalainen7210exactly what they want, they want you to just throw money at the problem instead of actually caring about the new player. Dont get me wrong, i understand this is their profit model. And i dont mind some grind, because we all want the new shiny better thing, it gives us some extra incentive to play. But thats all it needs to be, some extra incentive to play, not a complete blowout against already more experienced players
TBH crew level doesn't matter that much in air, and only in rather niche situations on ground.
The following explanation is spoken from the view of a 9000-hour player (I'm not particularly good at the game, to note) with nearly all air trees at non-premium top tier (US, Ger, USSR, UK, Jp, It, Fr, Sw, Is) and two ground trees at non-premium top tier (US, USSR).
To make things clear, in Arcade (any mode) 3 skill points is earned every 100 rp gained, while for Realistic and Simulator it is 1 skill point every 100 rp.
For air, on fighters, the only crew skills that matter in a dogfight are G-tolerance and stamina. These skills do provide an edge in a dogfight (one-circle or two-circle fight) for rate-fighting or scissoring, where you basically keep turning and try to get lead (to aim ahead of your opponent through fancy maneuvers, to over-simplify it). However, there is an easy counter by just tapping nose down in a continuously nose-up fight, to counter pilot black-out, which abuses the G-LOC (G-force induced Lost Of Consciousness, or blacking out) mechanic in WT.
From experience in grinding of multiple air trees, if you focus on one single crew (designate an air crew, it will help you focus your crew skills and not waste useless points) by the time you reach higher tier jets with full G-tolerance. Although being a player with purchased premium vehicles, I don't buy aced crews, I gained my ace crew on my F-14A and F-14B by playing, which costs around 1M RP (yeah it's a hell lot and if you're not particularly good at it, it would take a few weeks of casual playing), but the actual difference between maxed and expert / aced crews are not significant enough to be of priority.
For ground, crew skills would matter mainly on the loader's weapon loading skill, if you only care about the "unfair advantage" point in a gunfight, which is actually a very niche situation (although Gaijin is still an asshole to make crew skill advantages grind-locked for new players) To explain the reload rate difference situation due to crew skill, assuming the same gun, the following gunfight must occur to make a difference. You shoot at enemy, non-pen or doesn't kill the enemy loader or disables the gun. Enemy shoots at you, same applies. You shoot at enemy, in a short enough distance (taking shell velocity into account), your shell kills the enemy loader, disables the gun, or kills the tank before the enemy could fire their second shot while your shell is flying.
The actual reload rate difference in lower BRs consists of many types of guns, which have reload speeds varying too much that the crew skill do not actually make a difference. For example, an IS-2 would have a stock 27.04 second reload, and an aced 20.8 second reload. The only tank that you can fire a shot and having an aced crew would help you win in the aforementioned niche situation, is when you face a Chinese IS-2. If the IS-2 example is too absurd for its long reload, you can take a 76 sherman for this example, with stock reload at 7.67 and aced reload at 5.9. The only few niche situations reload skill would matter is when it faces a T-34-57 in that particular example, with aced sherman reload at 5.9 and T-34-57 stock reload at 6.5.
So, in a short conclusion, reload rate doesn't matter that much at lower tiers, while at higher tiers it wouldn't matter as well because crew XP is earned from RP reward, which, if you focused on a few crew slots you have maxed out reload rate, if you hadn't experted or aced your favorite tanks.
For those players that buy to premium top tier... this is exactly why you will suffer. You lack experience, lack map knowledge, lack game knowledge, lack crew skills, and lack game skills. Even if you do get into such a situation in top tier, more often than not, one side will disable the cannon of another side to prevent the reload-rate game commencing, as most tanks only have kill shots in their turret necks, which is right below the gun. And half of the tanks in game have auto-loaders, while the other half use the same Rh120, so these niche situations happen extremely rarely, and the chances of it mattering to a player is much lower than an inexperienced player getting themselves killed with other stupid reasons.
To conclude, crew skill matters at higher tier, but not that much. But if you are at a high tier, and you grinded it out without buying to top tier, you would have a decently experienced crew to handle the high tier combat needs.
To add to the reload-game theory for crew skill difference on the same gun platform firing at each other, you can prevent the enemy from having an effective second shot by simply angling your tank (on some heavies), going hull-down, or popping in and out of cover. And this situation only applies in short ranges, no matter the tier.
For example, two Rh120 (all Leopard 120mm, all Abrams 120mm, Ariete 120mm) fire at each other, the maxed crew reload would be 6.9, with aced at 6.0 (assuming the player would have at least maxed reload by grinding from rank 1 to rank 7), the difference in reload time would be at most 0.9, assuming a simultaneous first-shot from both tanks. With APFSDS flying at around 1500m/s, any combat outside of 1.5km (common on many large maps), both tanks would get their second shot out before one of them died, albelt having the slower reload.
In a real situation, if you fire a first shot, it usually takes more than a second or two for the enemy to notice and fire back their first shot, therefore the reload rate would hardly matter in any situation.
One thing that really made it more fun for me was when I realised I could have more fun in low/mid tier vehicles, not worrying too much about the high tier vehicles I was grinding. Every now and then when I do try out a high tier vehicle I've unlocked, I find I've got the experience to enjoy it more
yea i cant even have fun in low tier i dont have high tier but i cant have fun because i get one shot ever time.
@@garrettreid8710 Believe me, it's ten times worse at higher tiers! And to make things even worse, sometimes you can't really do anything about it. For example when you get shot by an helicopter ATGM that is 7 or so km away from you. The game is very frustrating, you either have the patience for it or you don't, rushing enemies simply doesn't work at war thunder. It's one of the few games where camping is actually the only way of playing it effectively.
@@Daniel-vg8fk yea but i love it then i dont it is just sometimes
@@garrettreid8710 I were just like you! Don't worry, skill takes time. Once you play enough battles you will master everything.
Agreed. Once I got up to the Tiger 2's I started losing a lot of silver lions due to repair costs and the game didn't seem as fun being worried about having enough. I've since played more with the UK and USA and actually love it around BR 3-3.3.
I only joined to play the ww2 tanks so i got to what i wanted extremely quickly. now im caught up in the grind trying to get the top tier just because you gotta grind something
lol, lucky. i started playing with top tier in mind. bad decision lmao😂
I bought the AVRE in past sale. Now Im at 10.0 after 3weeks. I didnt have any british tank before.British tree is very easy to grind because it has very few mid tier vehicles. And the vickers mk7 has all top tier requirements.
@@ironhide_1012 Get a life 😂
@AT get the hunter fga.9 or harrier those grind very quick in British air I have the hunter and it has amazing sl bonus 2 kills gets me 50k sl
Exactly! I love the gameplay of ww2 tanks, even when i progress up to 7.3 I dont like it as much
A harsh truth is that everything in the game is designed to be predatory and form the bad habits that cause you to hate the game. Gaijin knows the issues but refuses to fix them because they can squeeze you for money. The only reason WT has survived this long is it's monopoly on the realistic vehicle focused shooter space.
Hopefully GHPC will force gaijin to do something. Same thing went on with CSGO for years. After valorant came, Valve got their head out of their asses and started to do something.
@@sushmitriyanbasuli6889 i dont get why world of tanks doesnt have new tanks or realistic tanks its obviously popular
@@sushmitriyanbasuli6889 GHPC is too different, and the effects are definitely many years behind WT's, in WT it feels like you are actually shooting a shell that is penetrating the tank, in GHPC it doesn't look or feel as good, GHPC also doesn't air combat which definitely inhibits it as a real competitor.
This means that if somebody decides to make a realistic vehicle-war simulator game similar to war thunder that is balanced and NOT full of microtransactions to get ahead of others in a game for money, then WT would likely collapse as this new game would literally be very friendly to all its players and would literally be a superior option to WT better in almost every way. I am waiting for someone to do this and to bring WT its judgment day.
@@kalistaredacted2808 you're forgetting about the feasibility of that to build or code a game solo to as in depth as WT, you're gonna spend years modelling stuff, coding game mechanics and graphics. That's before you start adding up licensing costs, wages cost for other devs, you can make a game like war thunder solo.
And that's all while not making an income.
I've seen similar things for rainbow six siege, people didn't like the new changes so they tried to make a knock off, it's cool don't get me wrong but is no where near a competitor.
Now if a major company tries to do something like you suggest, then it will be same shit different smell, for exmaple let's say EA gives it a crack.
Realistically to make this happen you gotta hope Elon Musk is feeling like it on a day off and assembles a team of funded game devs to tackle such a game. And if that did happen...do you think they'd clone war thunder? Or something more successful like COD, LoL or Dota 2.
One thing to note for new players (myself included) DO NOT let yourself fall into the idea that playing the game (actually having a match) is only there for you to earn points towards a new vehicle. The actual match is the gameplay with the added benefit of giving you points. Not the other way around. Getting a new vehicle isn't the game. Playing against other people in a match is. That's the whole point, to fight vehicle to vehicle in realistic battles. Remember that, and the game becomes a lot funner.
@@bustabusta7676 wtf XD the jet gameplay of wt has to be one of the worst I've ever witnessed in my life XD
Scroll wheel up, press X, spasm around with the mouse, scroll wheel down to land 😂
You should try dcs world bro or falcon bms
"playing against other people in a match is."
...yeah, until you realize that they're outmatching you.
Come on...don't kid yourself. Getting better vehicles is absolutely a big part of the game
In addition, it’s more fun sometimes to be a dunce playing something suboptimal, doing a suboptimal mission, then to try and constantly go for the grand victory. Go ahead, take that swordfish out to hunt bombers
You nailed it, dude! Hell yeah!
Lol what? The entire point of the game is to grind (or buy) high tier vehicles, because if not you are constantly outmatched. Getting a new vehicle ABSOLUTELY IS THE GAME.
My number 1 tip for myself and new players is to not expect to play jets, abrams, etc ever. I've played warthunder for a while but I know that I'll never go above the t-34s with 76mm guns, the short barrel shermans and panzer 4s with the long 75mm. This doesn't even bother me too much, I love those tiers and those vehicles and the grind is bearable at those tiers.
i have all top tiers unlocked from russia , germany and usa , for me at tank rb never go beyond 7,3 just not worth it especialy if you like planes like me
It gets worse after the t34s?
@@xestrix420 yeah, I think so. I originally planned to get the IS-2 but it was just more grind than I thought would be worth it in the end
My current setup is a YaG-10 (milk truck, very fun), maybe a fighter or some sort of a bomber and then I fill the rest with t-34s (everything from the 3.3 to the 3.7s are excellent tanks in my opinion)
In the future I'll want to add an asu-57. It doesn't seem like too much grind, seems fun and will do nicely to round out my setup.
But yeah, I think it gets bad after the t-34-57 to a point where I don't feel like I'll get a unique experience.
Edit: but yeah, the t-34 spam is very much worth it. You die? Just respawn 3 more times lol
All the noobs expecting to be god like in Abrams just to be shot by ATGMs and laser guided revenge cas.
That’s fine. I’d rather do a WWII rp than a modern battle. Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
my tips are:
1. dont treat the game as f2p, treat it as a sub game for ~4$ a month, with a free trial till rank 3
2. NEVER buy anything outside of sales, except season pass and Golden Eagles
3. play what mode and vehicles you enjoy, but dont play only to get to a certain vehicle (at least anything later than ww2)
the game is more for people who like combat vehicles in general, if you grind for 100 hours for the one vehicle you love and dont care about the others on the way, the chances are high your vehicle just sucks in the meta or it doesnt perform very well due to other reasons and you feel terrible
4. dont get discouraged when you get stomped in Rank 1 right when you start, sadly a lot of people are noob stomping there with really unfair vehicles (1.0-2.0 BR). matches arin my experience easiest around 2.3 to 4.0 br, so try playing there when you start out
I’ve been telling players rule 1 for like a year now, WT isn’t F2P, it’s just a marketing thing to hook players (which really works well tbh)
This is the best comment, I've grinded to the F5E and F4EJ Kai, but from Tier IV I had premium and also a premium plane such as the premium zero and P51.
3. Am I to be disappointed if I'm interested in 7.7 vehicles? RN I'm around 5.7-6.3 of Germany and USSR. I just like the cold war tanks.
4. Seems just right. I was stomped at 1.0-2.0 but at 2.3-4.0 it feels great and that's the place I come to farm SL. Too bad you can't learn all the maps there because the bigger ones show up only at a higher ranks.
I can say that I am very good at ab but I am bad rb and people say that if play rb then you will consider as pro
5. Don't set your heart on a particular vehicle. Even if it performs well, they may nerf it, break it accidentally, make it unaffordable to repair, increase its battle rating, wreck an enjoyable lineup around it or introduce new mechanics or opposing vehicles that negatively impact your enjoyment of it. Think of War Thunder as a vehicle combat game with the understanding that you need to be flexible and play whatever the flavor of the month is - or - accept the potential of being an outclassed underdog.
Ever since I got my first jet, I've been obviously getting destroyed and after about 30 matches I've not only lost the 300k silver lions I had but went 50k in debt... this is the only game I've ever played where you can literally *lose* progress.
Makes it really FEEL like a job.
Yeah, lions can b a real problem. Definitely need to b mindful of repair costs for instance F105D is like 15 thousand lions!
@@guitarninjarick8179 oh I just stopped playing the game but that works too
@@origin8374 git guud
@@Alotofnades you are a prime example of the war thunder community
I started playing this game mostly just tanks and planes. I noticed that at times it's like plucking off birds with a machine gun, other times I was killed right out of the hole. I think it has a lot to do with how many good players are on at the time, and how long you have been playing. Saturdays and Sundays I have had two to four hour sessions but found after two hours I could not do well at all. I think if they have a high content of players, they start killing you a lot to get you to quit. I find the game very entertaining, and I am 60. But my wife gets extremely mad when I'm on it all day, she says "I'd better not ever hear you talk about kids playing video games again, LOL...
Hahaha 😂
Nice to see an old timer trying new things, Which BR?
It's more like how many douch bags camp or use op crap
This sounds very familiar…
Lemme clarify just a bit, they are not killing you because they want you to leave, it's merely because everyone is busy getting kills to upgrade and buy new vehicles 😅
When I first downloaded War Thunder I spent most of my time not playing Multiplayer and just test driven/flew the various starter and premium vehicles and I’m so glad I started that way because I wasn’t starting off a complete noob flying into the environment and learned various pros, cons of different types as well as learning weak points in tanks I managed to get a decent first round. You still have to get use to the multiplayer maps and common tactics used by others.
Same. Underrated ability to test drive most vehicles
Same thing in 1 month I'm already in tier 3!
Yay
The fact that you can actually test drive EVERY vehicle in the game on a proper training map has always been a HUGE bonus that separates War Thunder from "the other tank game". Being able to do this with premium tanks especially lets you get a feel for them before you purchase (at least if they're in the tech tree). The training map itself is amazing since it gives you a wide variety of different ground vehicles to practice on which respawn. I've always hated that you can't even do that in the "other tank game" unless you join a training room with at least one other person (and even then you just get an empty map).
In start its still preatty easy, when reat of player base so bad, when you level one, but then the higher tier you get to the better players start to be and the harder it gets, so you need smartly manuver around with good tank and know always the spot from other tanks where it penetrates through to kill the crew of the tank that you can kill the tank as whole and then you always need to use the map to know where the enemies are, so you can come from the side or from behind to get some easy kills, while you still can sometimes lose the game, while being one of best in your team, when your team still overall so much worse, while you got so many kills.
I have a love hate relationship with this game. Ever since I played the Battlestations games I fell in love with military vehicle games. I have played both the World of War games and warthunder off and on and am always drawn back to warthunder because it's everything I want in a game but the way it is ran with the snails pace progression, extremely high price for anything that will remotely make the progression faster, and the greedy nickel and diming for everything really makes me hate the game. If they actually made a reasonable earning/progression, fixed the BR matching, fostered true team play, and actually valued/listened to there player base then this would be the only game I'd ever need. Hopefully another game with rise up eventually that will do this type of game and its players justice.
Gunner Heat PC seems like a good alternative for Cold war to Modern type of tanks.
You might be interested in my game then
I’ve given up on this game as I grinded hard through an event and didn’t get the vehicle I wanted, I encountered a bug that wasted my war bonds preventing me from getting another vehicle and every update the game breaks more and more for me and I dislike it more and more. This game is almost good, but still shit.
@@isni1946 just looked at your channel, seems cool!
Bsp was from a different era and somewhat different use of these vehicles used more like rts units(makes sense since battlestations was a action rts)...though one of the few examples the era bsp and midway released was also ripe with other vehicle combat upgrade systems(ace combat, blazing angels ect)..all these games featured more of a single player experience and thus..the grind for vehicles was simply not that but rather progression..i still own bsp honestly the gameplay holds up to modern games such as warthunder or wot (fun aircraft carrier gameplay anyone)..the only thing these newer games have is a graphics edge (barely)..and a slight physics edge (again barely) as the core mechanics hold up...the "free to play" supergrind model will simply not be able to support itself and will collapse under its own monetization..not entirely per say but todays regulation and fatigue will set in. I believe you can already evidence this by player count and newer titles nerfing grind making vehicles easier to obtain..it can be noted that the titles being focused as a multiplayer competitive online changes things a bit..fair enough it should be harder to get items..but to the point of several years to obtain top gear is tedious and devs are adjusting to compete...
The core problem in this game is the economy, economy directly influences the grind and a persons capability of progression, which is the main goal in the game. The main reason i hear why people leave and stop playing is because of the grind being so slow and the necessity to spend if you want to actually progress. The problem is further exaggerated when Gaijin keep strangling that economy more and more. I remember a time where a good match in RB would net 80-100k RP and 300k lions. Was that too much? absolutely, but NOW? a good match of 8+ ground anhd air kills and a couple of captures will net you around 15k RP and 100k lions WITH premium. A couple months ago that same match would pull that for a free player, and thats where i would have left it, but nope, Gaijin have their heads so far up their gold plated arseholes that they dont understand that making the grind harder drives people away.
Completely agree, compared to another f2p game such as Heroes and Generals. War Thunder economy is just awful, the stopping br i think is around 7.3, it is taking way too long to research 7.3 vehicle currently and it is not even top tier yet. With my decent skill and limited free time i finally got my Leo 1 after more than a month grinding it
I've played WT in the early days back when there were 20 tiers and air only , was quite fun i stopped around 2013 , then came back for some tank action around 2015-16 then stopped again and recently tried to get back and yea the economy is horrible , back then even on a bad game you'd be able to break even , but the main issue that made me uninstall is their damn garbage servers , on a gigabit connection i would get kicked out the queue 3-4 times until i finally join a match only for it to have 70% of the team not connect so i wait 10 min for a 3 min game where i fight 1 enemy if i'm lucky to go on the same side of the map as him ... yea no thanks
it's even less actually 15krp and 100k lions with premium act and tank, for us non prem players it's 5k RP and 25k SL for a 8kill ground target and 5kill air target.
@@shadowfox1609 it's pretty fucked, I had a 6 kill and 1 cap at 7.7 UK and got 55k lion and 8k RP. When the next tank is 170k and 600k to buy and around 100k to crew its absurd
@@jamesscott4574 at least you dont have to worry about repair cost, as british tanks at that BR are notorious for being so cheap to repair......
As a veteran player I have very little to add, other than, and others have also said it, play to have fun in the first place. Advancing in the tech trees comes second.
I've found some vehicles in certain BRs that I enjoy playing and do well enough in that I can complete daily tasks to complete the Battle Pass every season. I also agree with the "burning out" aspect when trying to earn everything. Sometimes I'm tempted to earn a plane and am able to do so, but otherwise I stick to only earning ships, since I basically only play naval, and only occassionally play ground. This way I can keep my sanity and prevent myself from burning out of the game again.
man. playing naval is fun but those wait times are at times maddening and the time before you actually get in to action when you spawn a blue-water ship... actually measurable in geological time. i mostly play ground RB and air arcade but i like ships too, naval is actually more fun than the other two modes for me, with me being able to reliably get at least a couple of kill every game as opposed to getting sniped before you even get the the enemy by that one light tank that zooms over deep in to your side of map in the first one or two minutes of the match, respawn, get bombed before you even roll out of the spawn and return to hangar for 3 games before getting matched against a team of blind penguins driving tanks and getting 8 kill 2 assists and a capture of a point. i find ground RB just way too inconsistent in the quality of players, but on the other hand it's kind of exciting to just play against other players to see the differences skill and playtime makes. also funny to see that one guy with 16 kills and no deaths and the rest of the team sitting around 0 to 3 kills and several deaths each in a team that is somehow still winning
Air arcade is a blast. I don't understand why people hate it, it's not much easier than RB, it's faster paced, and while don't earn as much, you lose far less for dying, and the matches are so chaotic that even if you do die, it's still fun to watch, and take part in, a massive furballs. And as an added bonus, there's some actual variety in mission type, unlike RB. While Realistic is something I play far more often, arcade is perfect of taking a break and messing around.
It’s my favourite mode. Great, slightly brainless stress relief. There are still frustrations (spawn campers, suicide bombing squads), but they’re way less pronounced than in RB.
You lose more for dying
Repair costs are higher
and its the only gamemode for aircraft where you can use the terrain to your advantage
i 100% agree, for air i only play AB and for ground i only play RB, just because the alternative of both of those is just not fun imo, and i'm playing to have fun. i dont wanna spend ten minutes flying into an air battle only to get sniped by a plane i couldnt see, and i dont wanna play a gamemode where tank destroyers and light tanks are utterly useless
I hate arcade for one reason - the aim assist that everyone gets. It becomes a game of just moving a cursor around until it turns green, even if that means shouting though cover. Weak spots become irrelevant. Armor becomes irrelevant. You just click when the cursor goes green. How is that fun?
Personally i really love this game and it sometimes feels very good and can even make me happy after a long day, but this is all truth. I DEFINITELY agree with "don't treat war thunder like a job" and that cheater stuff, i also literally never seen a cheater in my matches.
I've seen a couple luckily they were always on my team
Never seen a cheater because I break my monitor before I even see the replay
I cannot ever believe people say they don't see cheaters. There are lots of them. My crew used to report them a LOT and they were banned, a LOT. But thats not evidence, the evidence is that Gaijin used to put out the list of hundreds they banned each month. They were only the ones they picked up. Trying to say you have never seen a cheater just shows you obviously are not paying attention. One of the biggest WT reddit 'champions' with thousands and thousands of posts including he has never seen a cheater, was caught cheating, went dark after that funnily enough. *edit - If you play a lot of arcade, you will not pick up on most cheaters. The game mode is basically what cheaters use in realistic. So just understand that realistic is where you find/see cheaters. In saying all of that before reporting cheaters make sure you review them in the replay, press 2 for their angle of view they see. You may be surprised what they saw.
@@Piesy001 They must be really bad cheats then
@@Piesy001 How do the cheaters cheat? How do you spot them? I've been playing a lot of Naval Realistic and have had my suspicions but don't know what to look for....and does the Anti-Cheat really work and in what way?
The best way for a new player to play the game is to play a few arcade matches, then once they have around 3.7 BR vehicles, get some premium time, a month or so, and just play the stuff they like and unlock all of the vehicles in rank 3. Then when their premium expires, they should have a little nest egg of silver lions and can just play anything they want forever in ranks 2-3.
The absolute worst way to play is to set your sights on some iconic rank 6 or 7 vehicle and try to powergrind to it. You'll have no fun, get super frustrated by every bad match that doesn't contribute to efficient grinding, and blast out a couple thousand hours of angry work/playtime before you can even test drive the vehicle.
There's a reason the most veteran players say low tier is best tier. It is. 6.0 or 6.3 is about the highest BR you can go and still be in the fun range, but the sweet spot is 4.0 and below. It's a blast, every time.
With the current economy changed I doubt premium will help them. Gaijin just told new players to fuck off.
Eh 7.7 is sometimes fun above probably not
This game isn't as hard as ppl make it seem
I personally cant stand playing low tier, paying for high tier premiums to skip the entire tech tree was a really good decision for me, but thats really hard to know before
lol yeah. I'm so happy I only care for ww2 era vehicles. I would have quit by now if my cut off wasn't America 6.7 with the Super Pershing. Sure, it might not be great but it's one of my favourite tanks. 6.3 really is quite fun, especially in arcade.
Had a player on our team today who I watched from above as his P-47 was assaulted by three and then four opposing team members for several minutes with him taking dozens of hits yet he took no damage and proceeded to shoot them all down. I wish I could say this was unusual but I've been seeing it more and more often.
Max vitality. Yet still sounds bugged. Hard to say.
I've seen 4 engine bombers have more maneuverability than the fighters trying to shoot them down and fighters who have no speed or movement penalty and just outclimb everyone so they can farm camp
Mine was a KV-1 one-shotting me (PERFECTLY) through the middle of an intact large wooden building and no less that three tents blocking his view of me... O_o
I let a buddy play my top tier lineup, he enjoyed it enough to start playing. He then found ground RB considerably harder in the low-middle tiers without thermals and laser rangefinders. Wonder if WT would retain more players like him if lase and blaze gameplay wasn't a 6-month/$60 investment.
6months?? Maybe if you play all day and have premium.
I have been playing for years still not at top tier (Germany 8.7, Russia 9.3 and some other nations around random mid brs)
Tbh most of my time was spent without premium, I only gotten 180 days of premium not long ago (sold event items lol)
If you play arcade it tells you the range and gives you a cross hairs with hold over and penetration color on the cross hairs with the drop calculated.
@@DamanD i think i made a mistake getting every nation besides israel up to around 5.0. I've been focusing on USA/Germany and USSR the last few weeks but I should have maxed out a tree earlier
@@DamanD i dont play all day and dont have premium i can research a tech tree in around 2-3 months
@@DamanD I think if you are playing "for years" you should be able to even without premium. I guess you play for short intervals when you play.
Finally unlocked tier 5 tanks 😀Saw the price 😐 saw the repair cost ☹️
(not)Pro tip: sometimes, it’s just better to only go in with 2 vehicles
@@ASlickNamedPimpback is it not better to use 2/3 current tiers and than using a tierless vehicle such as a m22 or m18 than just using 2,speaking for arcade mode.
Just go only with German tank destroyers 😂
Pov you want to have fun but you get 30k on face
There is Repair cost? oh hell nah
02:29 "premium accounts and premium vehicles will ease your sufferi- uh i mean will ease your grind"
Relateable
A year later but I wanted to add to this. Another tip: Don't just play American, Russian, and German. Those are the "big three" of the game but some of the most fun I've had playing War Thunder is when I decided to give the Chinese line (yes a lot of copypasta at first), British, and Italian (also quite a bit of pasta at times) tank lines. They all have some interesting tanks that you may discover to be your favorite. I know I had no idea that the British tanks would be my favorite line when I started playing (to be fair, there wasn't even a British tank line when I started)
My respect for those who really enjoy playing British tank, they are, at least a significant part of them are really challenging!
I enjoy the ussr planes
Swedish light tanker here. Knowing your vehicles strengths and weaknesses is paramount.
I don’t play the Chinese line because almost the entirety of their tech tree is stolen from everyone else. Almost no unique vehicles.
@@wildmeatloaf8373 I mean...that's basically Italy, Sweden, Finland, Cold War Japan, and Israel already lmao. Everyone has T Series Russian tanks, Leopards, Cents, Shermans or Pattons in some way.
I personally was getting tired of grinding tier 3-4, that's why I bought the F-5C and it helped me grind through the U.S tech tree really fast. People were telling me how horrible of an idea it was but I personally find it much more fun to play the fast paced gameplay at br 10-11. I actually find playing jets to be easier than props, the only reason I play WT is to play jets tbh.
@@SasukeUchiha-ks3rz I think its really easy doing 1.3 br ground realistic and 1.7air sbd3 if that helps with your grind
My apache premium chopper is what I grind with for silver..I've figured out how to evade the k50 and can decimate the ground forces leaving me with tons of silver to research other things on tech tree..I see many others now finding this out .you can def tell who's new to warthunder when they buy a k50 and they found kill other players and that's it ..gotta be a very small boring works for them because there is just so much complexity to this game that just that item..I encourage all new players to build build build..buy premium because it's actually worth it and if you buy premium buy something that match tanks and planes that's you've already researched so you have a full balance team..for me my fav br is 7.3 because that's where I'm at and enjoy the balance here..this tier is the area I'm not having to worry about more modern tech that will get me killed upon spawn so my game last longer which helps me learn each map with enough time to kill others while I progress..
Definitely like that jet, I would also recommend the 9.3 US Harrier. Harriers are great for capping airfields, mofos feel like your being launched off a carrier!
@@winndixie6361 what’s your strat for grinding, I got the Apache but the dog gets shot down in GRB
@@aname1612 the SL and RP efficiency at that tier is so low though. I bought the premium saber on the USA tree and played around 20 or 30 matches. It is now my highest SL and RP earner. Got the B29 in like 2 weeks starting at rank 1.
What I personally would recommend for any new player: Grind horizontally, not vertically. Example: I've always been having issues competing at top-tier air-rb. But when I started spading my tier 5 and 6 vehicles, I acquiered a lot of the necessary skills necessary to be effective at those battle ratings. I have over 2000 hours, yet I'm still learning new tricks, new small caviats every match. And it's important to understand the basics before going to more advanced stuff and what may be advanced for a certain tier might be counted as basic for the next tier of gameplay, such as the correct use of flares, which is rather advanced knowledge at tier 6, since most planes lack flares but is absolutely crucial for tier 7. It also adds to what is mentioned in the video: I am against newbies getting top tier vehicles, not because I don't want them to have fun or tell them what to do, but because experience is necessary to make this game enjoyable. As a last addition I would like to point out, that new players should at least try the different nations to get a feel for them. I play pretty much all major nations to a similar degree, meaning for example, I know what it's like to face an IS-2 as a Tiger 1, meaning I can use my experience as a Tiger 1 to know its strenghts and weaknesses when I'm fighting it in my IS-2. That also helps with a lot of the "cheaters" that you encounter or the prejudices you might have towards certain vehicles. Like "oh this tank is really op, because it can kill me so easily" but if you have experience in said tank, you might appreciate the skill of the player that killed you a bit more, if you have played the vehicle that killed you yourself and recognise its quirks and how to exploit them. What I'm saying is, don't get tunnelvisioned on one nation or one tech tree, enjoy and try to comprehend the full spectrum of vehicles on offer as it will benefit you by giving you overall experience but very situational experience as well.
Yes, agreed. I made the mistake of grinding the British aviation tree to get to the Spitfires thinking their mobility would be super OP. Then I got my ass handed to me match after match by guys in Bf 109's and other boom and zoom planes. It wasn't until I started grinding the Beaughfighters and Typhoons did I learn how less maneuverable planes can fight. Only then did I finally put it all together and figured out how to use the Spitfires strengths to my advantage and how to overcome its weaknesses. Having thorough knowledge of the capabilities of your enemy plane is just as important as knowing the capabilities of your own plane.
And then I started grinding the German tech tree and never touched the Spitfires again. Lol. They are great planes, but I quickly learned that boom n zoom and energy fighting was where my strengths were at. Turnfighting in undergunned Spitfires was not my thing.
You're 100% right!
Hell yes you nailed it
@@ccramit tho to be fair to the spitfires 7.92 damage is modeled badly - I have found that either it will one shot a plane when you shoot it on its wing or you will unload you entire mag on the plane and it will not have a dent
So my plan of spading every tank of a tech tree is actually smart, lol. And while doing that I'll update and correct or add the ammo rack data on the wiki to help players.
Tip: never do vehicle events. It's harder than doing actual paying job and takes way too much time
Except for star events, I’ve never spent a dime on the game but sold an event vehicle for 50 gaijin coins where I recently bought some sweet stuff with all those earnings
There are two type of events, one need a lot of time playing and the other one dont eats so much time but it needs some skillin the game.
I learned this one from years of WoT. It's never worth the time you've invested in it. Ever.
Only true if you want to get the most expensive vehicle or all of them, if you just want to get one or maximum two fun vehicles its totally doable while playing couple hours every other day
I just started maybe 2 months ago, and I love war thunder, because I’m a WW2 nerd, and I like playing Sherman’s, and T-34s, tigers, and KV-1s. I’m more of a plane player and I play P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, Bf-109s, FW-190s, Spitfires, Zeros, and more. I’ve started to grind to teir 5, (I have one t5) and it’s fun, since the Korean War is interesting, but honestly I have no desire to play top teir and I think the game is more fun that way.
Same i don’t really care about top tier, just the ww2 tanks and planes
Guys, remember, playing other games for a full month will be amazing, it will also make it more fun when you come back to war thunder, I did it every 2 months or if I felt like it. Good luck comrades
Started playing this game just a few months back. Initially I hope to play with an A7 attacker for several personal reasons but I figured out it would be really hard to get that pretty early. But in any case, playing those Air RB or arcade is awesome. The feeling of flying in your P63 or my most favorite so far, the P39N0, and engaging in a one to one dogfight is unparalleled! That feeling when it's you against another player of the world, another human, and you both fight to survive! Lost many such fights, and won many so far, and each time it's like its first time! So I forgot the initial plan and I just enjoy those mental moments being in a live online game! And the other great plus for me is eventually learning the history behind these planes and how they came to be. All in all I like this game, the only bad for me is the time it costs me. At some point I plan to spend some money on it just out of respect for the developers because I'm not interested in any special planes as I don't see any meaningful advantage to any of them yet, I've shot down some specials of them and it's all a matter of luck and whits. Keep an eye on surroundings, on your speed and altitude, judge your opponents intentions and such, all this makes the game cool! Time to go, see you in the skies!
Update on May 2023: still haven't spend a dime in the game. Just about to get my first jet aircraft, but it doesn't matter as i usually play my Catalina, luring fighters and gunning them down! This game is awesome, and still no hint of any hackers around!
I’m currently flying both the p63 and the p39 and they’re great but for me nothing so far has beaten the first p51 you get with the 20mm cannons. At that BR they can easily destroy most planes with just a couple bursts and it feels amazing.
@@tardigradebacon6657 indeed but I'm quite trigger happy and fail to restrain myself so I need to reload constantly, so I dumped the P51 for a long time.went into playing with Soviets then a little German then back to USA planes. Once back, I managed to upgrade that P51 completely and reload time dropped from 42 seconds to 28 which was very nice! But I found their handling characteristics a little sluggish, do t know why!. While the P39 on the other hand feels so nimble for me, so easy to handle and play. But it lacks in firepower and indeed in turn times
At the low br's, if you have cannons you can pretty much shred anything! Can make arcade less fun though, as once your best plane is dead you will get torn apart before even seeing your attacker
@@hobbit6818 nice, took me 2-3 months to figure out the difference between cannons and MG. Got me very frustrated when I unlocked the P51 and needed 40 seconds to reload. Anyway, I've managed to get into a nice package of 5 airplanes, the P39's and P63 variants all of them. This was my best sortie. Then I dropped some slots to start playing bombers too! Bottom line is I find this game too funny to deal with the details, just fly and see what feels better. It's why my top favorite so far was the P39N. Cheap to repair and somehow felt more agile to me than anything else
YESSSSS flying the p39n0 is indeed my favorite plane too so far as well and i just got to rank 5. really fun plane and agree with everything, i dont think u can compare the thrill and fun of dogfighting in a plane with any other military/shooter games
War Thunder might have a lot of issues, but the natural learning curve (that is, the learning you go through by playing each of the Tiers in sequence) is a thing of utmost beauty. Each Tier has a different lesson for you to learn that adds up on and on again...
Couldn't have said it better, my friend just moved from 3.0 ground Germany to the tiger 1 in a matter of days, every br has something going for it and something new to experience and learn, my personal fav is 2.7-4.0ish for ground
@@thomasattard9821 I wish that one of the Pz IV's was placed between the Tiger and the Pz III...That is one tank which is similar to the Tiger.
It's a reason that the longer grinds are good, since every time you keep encountering more and more experienced players, forcing you to learn everytime a somewhat adequate time fpr you to learn the playstyles
"Natural Learning Curve" *Me playing agasint lvl 100 players in 1.3br* :C
The lesson is, there is always that OP prem plane on the other team so either stop crying or open the wallet and play those few chosen planes, totally defeating the purpose of having millions of vehicles... its just filler. :D
You hit the nail on the head! I'm used to the modern fighter jets, so I'm still learning how to fight with ancient aircraft. I forget often that the older aircraft didn't have the high G-force capabilities of today, and had 3 different styles of fighting. It's amazing how technology progressed over the years. Every game is going to have cheaters at some point, you just have to be good enough to deal with it, and be willing to report the obvious ones like invincibility hacks.
I play for the planes I loved as a kid and still love. I’m horrible with the Helldiver but because of my love of aviation and military history I love to fly it, and when I score some good hits or have a good round it’s just added fun. I sometimes make my own custom games to fight against the computer just because.
Same! I only play this game for the planes. It’s also super fun to land plays in chaotic scenes (or fly through them and surviving them). I just love to know how many different experiences there are in this game, and i also always look up to my researches after my matches, so i can unlock cooler jets, bombers with a lot of artillery.
I've been playing on Realistic so long because "that's what the youtubers play", I tried arcade recently, and it's so much more realistic! Tanks can actually move over terrain, like they're designed to, your spotter helps you identify enemies, and your teammates actually stay as a unit.
I always played realistic but switched to arcade last month. Sooo much more fun, less camping and less death by her bombers. Think I'm done with RB.
Well to the point that your spotter helps, you technically are the spotter as the commander
I started with RB because that was the mode you were "supposed" to play. Being colourblind however it gives me a severe competitive disadvantage and caused me a lot of frustration. When I skipped to AB it was like turining on the "playable" switch for me. I like it better because I can actually see the enemy but also because it is fast-paced, chaotic at times and it gives a slightly increased stress level knowing you're spotted pretty much all the time.
Only problem is realistic gives more rewards for playing, so it’s a give and take when it comes to which is better. Arcade is probably more fun but not quite as useful for getting shit.
@@kaijuslayer3334 in the end it entirely depends on what you are better at. If you do better at AB than RB, you will overall make more in AB than RB, same thing the other way around
I played WT for 6 years and almost everyday for 2 hours maximum after back from working, it's a really fun game if you're chilling with friends or playing alone. No matter what happens, this game is only fun if you're not try hard or be too competitive. I agree with Tankestein that this game is not enjoyable depends on circumstance.
Ps: I got 5 nation with air and ground top tier xD
imagine what you could've achieved if you spent those 2 hours building another skill
@@caralho5237you’re name made me blast
@@caralho5237
Lose sanity due to overworking.
People need some rest from time to time, whether it's War Thunder or watching TV, or reading a nice book.
@@caralho5237 And tell us what you did Mr two-hours-skill-training-a-day?
@@midnightvibes5485 its not about what i did its about what you didn't
i've been putting more time into practicing guitar and exercising instead of gaming now, does you good
Sometimes taking out bad vehicles is fun for me, or like hard to use vehicles. I go into with the expectation that I’m going to get wrecked so when you even get a single kill, you can feel good, because you’re overcoming the dog performance of a vehicle and still triumphing.
One of my favorite vehicles to this day is the He162 because I know it’s aweful compared to its br counterparts, but some people get legit offended getting killed by “the worst jet”, and that brings me joy :)
The history buff calls me to this game, I love it, easily one of my favorite games, and the 1000s of hours speak of my hatred for this trap of a game, but I always come back out of love for this unique game
There is nithing what scratches that itch what war thunder gives me tbh
Same, the only other game that does that for me is OSRS.
@@bingleyrichardsoniv2517 I had a similar itch with Overwatch. I have a feeling its also the same reason people still keep buying COD.
@@gbc.art.bra.49 grammar?
@@deece1482 yes
I play for about two years now, some things would've been helpful to know, like the grind, amount of time it needs and that it can be exhausting. But I'm really happy at BR 4.0 Air battles and stood there until today, sometimes I battle in higher rankings and different game modes, but those are still a bit confusing. Never knew or recognized that repair costs are that high. The "no cheaters" part is the main reason I love this game despite its flaws.
I started playing about a month and a half ago. Personally I’m a hyper-focused and near obsessive grinder in video games and I’m fine playing this game. My first tree was the German tree and I bought the King tiger pack when I realized I was gonna stick around and because I think King Tigers are cool. I played a bunch of matches with it as my only vehicle but also brought in backups so I wouldn’t just leave after one death but had the option to if the match aggravated me. I’m now in Tier VI Germany and I have fun playing all of the BRs.
I started France quite soon after I started playing because I quickly passed my friends’ (who have played the game longer but play ALL factions) low BR and I really enjoyed the French tech tree. I liked the Amx Super and grabbed it much like the King Tiger after watching tons of videos saying to be careful. I found I liked the play style of top tier and although I died a lot and burned a lot of backups, I had fun and learned a lot. While climbing the French tree I consistently did well and again I’ve caught up to my Amx Super’s BR while my friends are still at a low BR. My next target is Sweden and I’m not at all close to burning out of this game.
How many hours do you have in game?
You wait and see. You'll get fed up with Warthunder sooner or later 😅
The War Thunder dream lmao, iv been playing since 2017 and have gotten to the m1a1, F5E, and F4 phantom. Its a pain but I recently retried doing the German tree and i am currently researching the 2A4
@@bamaman6478 Sometimes I just start the game, then end up not even playing and rather watch some videos. It gets to you
@@destroyerarmor2846 bruh litterly my day to day
0:08 I really like this intro, I'm probably going to use this when I'm talking about a bunch of other games
My one and only tip for all of you guys is:
Don't play to unlock vehicles, unlock to play.(Don't focus on playing to unlock them, focus on having fun. If you don't surpass the 2-week adapting stage, don't play any longer)
One of the key things in enjoying War Thunder is getting to know your vehicles. There is a lot of in depth modeling done, learn engine management, move from arcade into more realistic modes and you will find that even the beginner or even reserve vehicles have a lot to offer, especially in airplanes. Coming from the old IL2 1946 days, war thunder has so much more content and things to do than even the best flight sims from the older eras, even in early levels. Getting new planes if fun, but dont set it as your ultimate goal, or you will probably not enjoy the game too much.
Yeah, when I first started using P51-Ds in RB, I really had to rethink my approach to the game. Eventually I went from being a total scrub to getting 3+ kills in a single match, all because I knew how to use my particular plane. It's insane how different fighters from the same era can be in RB and SB.
I was at 7.7/8.3 and bought the t-72 AV Turms a couple weeks ago, it took me a couple days to adjust but at 9.7 my bmp-1 and zsu-57 still do surprisingly well. From what I've observed until now I'd probably say that as soon as you get a grasp of ATGMs + Helicopters you're probably ready for top tier, of course that very much depends on the particular instance but for me it worked pretty well and I've had a load of fun in the Turms even while only having 7.7 experience!
I remember when the M42 Duster, Falcon, and Kugelblitz were all top tier SPAA. The IS4M and Jagdtiger were the most fierce opponents you could encounter. But even back then, the grind was tough. Certainly though it’s more challenging today.
I’ve spent 3500 hours playing this game. Started in summer 2016. I really wish I could go back in time. Don’t get me wrong. Current 9.7 is my favorite BR. Wouldn’t trade my Leo 2K for the world. But things were just much more simple and fun 7 years ago.
11:24 "Be the type of player that you want on the enemy team" and I'd like to add: "Be the type of teammate you want on your side."
I think you touched on it but it could always use more emphasis:
Shoot at the plane *behind* your teammate, not the one in front of him. They're worth the same SL for shooting them down, and one actually helps your teammate.
I keep trying to help teammates who deserve it, often to my own disadvantage.
And I have hung someone out to dry because I asked for help and he kept shooting at bots. I finally evaded the guy on my tail, got my plane fixed, and when that teammate called for help... Well, he was useful as bait.
I can second the tip about taking time through the brackets. I bought my first premium (xm1) when I was at 7.7, thinking a 1.6 br difference wouldn't be that much harder, only to get pounded into oblivion for 20-30 games while I learned how 9.3 worked.
I love my xm1 but my only problem is the TURMS the xm1 can barely pen it on the side but before you reload you’re dead
@@Hockey-gn2tj I feel that hard whenever I play it
Even from 8.0 it is this way
@@trickedraptor The problem with those premiums is that unless you buy a helicopter with that XM1 or the T-72 you don't have a lineup at that BR, lineups are everything, and it's why people struggle with top tier premiums, and premiums in general
Man getting me scared I’m trying to grind into Tier 6 American aviation
Hey new players!
I have 1063,5 hours in War Thunder and I haven't played since the 11th of January 2021.
Now 1,5 years later I must say that the game can be pretty cool but I played Germany 95% of the time and still not have reached top tier.
I have two or three jets and I am at the end of tier 3 or 4 in tanks while I barely touched ships.
The tip at 7:36 is the one I needed.
I grinded two events completely and did one just a bit.
I have earned three vehicles. The Object 279, some Mig-21 variant and a Sd.Kfz with a Pak 36.
What did it cost me?
2 Weeks of my life for the Object 279 and Mig-21 *each*.
The Pak 36 also demanded a fair amount of time.
It did really absorb waaaay to much time and it did really turn into an mental healt issue for me!
The economy also didn't help...
My personal advice is honestly to keep away from the game.
From what I've experienced it isn't really worth it and the developers seem to slowly worsen things.
On the dot
Did you not have premium??
@@Pughhead even without premium account, you shouldn't need an excessive amount of time for something like this. Having to pay to have a good grind should be a privilege and not a need
@@eliezercorderofeliciano8413 yeah premium rewards should be the default tbh
Having economy problems?, use air sim i can't stress this enough. You earn crazy money. Also events in air sim count to 5x the score you get
Great video. It is a grind and the learning curve at certain tiers is brutal. I was on and off and I would guess it took me 5 to 6 months to start having more games in the positive than the negative, kill/death ratio. Sniping can be great and getting sniped can either feel devastating or appreciative of their skill or luck.
With 4 years of playing, I've somewhat completed Germany and US tech trees while Japan is up to 8.7, Soviets I have up to 9.3 and British up to 8.7, grinding up to top tier takes a very long time without premium vehicles and premium time, I finished Germany within a week or 2 and not every vehicle has been fully spaded (unlock all their modifications) either way top tier technically has no skill since most shells are able to go through so much armor. Lower tiers/ranks like 3-4 is more fun because it tends to be more balanced. The purchasable vehicles should require some level so that players would have some experience before even getting a top tier premium. Top tier and meta changes have ruined some aspects of the game i.e. Heavy tanks from 6.0+ due to the shells in-game. Overall these passed 4 years has been long and now I only login and play a few matches now, but I still play because it is still fun to play with people or just soloing matches.
10:10 - "force you to switch back and forth between nations"
There is a tip you missed on this one
It's great to know your own vehicles from whatever nation or combat vehicle you favor
But it's just as good to know the vehicles of other nations too, since you will be fighting against them.
Learning how to fly a Fw 190 is just as important as knowing how to fly against a Fw 190
I agree, knowing the capabilities of other nations planes helps u pick your battles...for instance never try to dogfight a Japanese Zero, lol!
@@guitarninjarick8179 Whenever I see a japanese plane I just attempt to ignore its presence for as long as possible until im forced to fight it
Warthunder is the only game I can play for 10 minutes max. Hell sometimes I don’t make it that far most days. Also sucks being stuck at rank 4 after playing for 3 years makes it feel pointless to even log in.
Maybe that's because you only play half a match at a time?
@@AndyViant For real, i have no idea how people dont realise you have to play to get anywhere. This game is far from hard
@@piggyslayer1999 that’s very out of touch
@@wilhelmburgdorf9309 When you can spend a weekend neeting out and grind a whole tree to completion, it really isnt
@@piggyslayer1999 I regularly spent hours upon hours every day for 10 months and I am still stuck at tier 4
my tip for new players is to use one of the better low tier countries. some of the smaller countries are a little harder to grind when you arent as experienced. germany has a lot of really good vehicles that can be unlocked early and used for learning but i dont like its late game vehicles as much. Japan is the same way. Russia and the US are the two best all around with each providing different strengths and weaknesses.
i absolutley dislike british and american tanks in tier 1, the allies had such underpowered guns at the beginning of the war... even soviets had better guns
I don't like the Nazis, for some reasons...
I'll even prefer use a french tank and die after 30 seconds. lol
Another set of tips to keep in mind, hopping back to lower brs and other nations can allow you to minimize your losses. Personally I like 4.3-5.3 as a grind br. I haven't really spent any money on this game, if anything, my purchases are easily under $50. Don't let the game get to you, although treating everything as a "feature" may not make everything better, enjoy the little things and also remember that there's mods which you can easily get in the game client side, be it sound mods, user skins, sights, or custom missions. The WT community is a dedicated space when it comes to the modders, with new stuff added and old stuff updated everyday. And if you ever need mindless almost harmless fun, try the custom matches, someone is sure to have a sort of silly server. Or ask some of the small streamers playing WT, they'll likely have some way to allow you to join them on stream and you can feel like a celebrity.
I’d also consider arcade mode as like a simulator for the game. It’s a great place to just relax or if your a new player then it’s a great place to learn how the game works. The trolls who make fun of you for playing it are just trolls, don’t feed them. They have to learn that an expert in anything was once a beginner and that they were like their victim at one point too.
Sometimes i just see 1000rp as 1 game so i just feel like its a tiny grind. For example the M1A1 requires 320,000 RP to unlock but the way i see it is 320 games so i feel like its accomplish able
I should start thinking of it that way more.
That’s nothing compared to naval
Even low tier cost 100k rp each ship and the average rp per battle is about 3k
Oh and yeah the repair cost
@@tangmengtit888 i am not touching naval again because of the split trees. Cost me 100000rp to get the emden then now since jt has its own tree it is waaay cheaper to research. Like i guess my 50k rp is gone now
Each game for me personally in tank RB takes around up to 20 minutes, 20 X 320 is around 4 and a half days constantly playing the game. Usually a lot of games are cock-ups also. It all depends on if you REALLY want to get a tank or vehicle. My old mission was to get the T64a when that was released, over time the T64B and T80B got released by the time I got the T64A, the horrid sluggish grind in the IS-4 nearly made me quit lol
A strategy i am using is whenever a battlepass event starts whatever warbonds i gather through challenges i would just dump info 30% / 50% boosters to get some longevity out of them also helps using a high base rp/sl reward
I completed the italian tech tree (almost, i have like 4 tanks left to research) in 3 days. Because when the battlepass first released, you could exploit it by getting a tonn of boosters from it and then basically just activate booster after booster, in a row. Just chainsmoke boosters, and rapidly progress through BR 4 to 9 in a short period of time
1:14 Soo true. Even after 10 years I still dont have all vehicles.
I've been playing on the Italian Air Force for 3 years, and I'm so close to getting my first jet engine
This should be required viewing for all players, noob or not. I particularly appreciated the tip to play as other nations. I got into this game solely because I'm very interested in old vehicles. Therefore, I prefer lower tier, older vehicles. I've actually reverted to lower tiers just because I like the older tanks so much. Really cool video
@zeffzee2479 it's great isn't it? I recently had to start a new account and while I'm sad about all the money i spent on premiums; I'm having a blast re-grinding all these lower BR vehicles
I sometimes take a "Holiday" in BR 1.3. Just a few matches where I get to beat the living snot out of everyone.
Once rested, I can go back and play at Rank 3 and 4.
There are definitely some things I wish to add, and I do not mean to be pretentious. I appreciate the effort that went into the video. So for some further more in depth clarification:
10:06 - Auto Repair - Does it save you money? Sure, technically. Auto repair essentially just repairs a vehicle immediately after a match where it was destroyed, and repairing a vehicle costs ingame currency, infamously known as _repair costs_ . So turning auto repair off will make it so you have to manually "pay" to repair the vehicle instead of automatically deducting the cost from the battle. I wouldnt say it saves you tons of money, because you are going to have to repair the vehicle at some point, and UNLESS gaijin has miraculously lowered the repair cost before you repair a vehicle (
If you don't auto repair the crew will repair the tank over time. The repair time depends on the tank + crew skill in repair ability on the last tab of the crew skills. So you could technically log in a day, play your tanks of all nations until all are destroyed. Log out come back a week later and all have been repaired for free.
Personally, in my experience with the german air tree, I like the speed of the grind, because it's not unreasonable, and since I'm always learning about how to better fly those planes, it gets more and more fun. Also, I normally limit my weekday playtime to an hour and a half at most, with a 3 hour session on either Saturday or Sunday, and a single for a detox
Great points. For me, I started playing War Thunder in 2016ish. At the time, many of these applied to me, sans whaling on a top tier jet or something. Out of frustration, and getting distracted by a new PS4, I stopped playing for years.
This last year, I've finally got back into it. I have been learning so much more than I had ever learned before, and for the first time ever, I spent money on the game, and some of your points, and points other content creators have made, helped me finally find a way to enjoy this game more sustainably.
First, I never had much interest in any of the high tier stuff. I just wanted to play my WWII tanks and planes and call it good, and while that's still probably my main area of interest, the addition of the MiG 29 made it clear that my primary tree is going to be Russia, because if (or more likely when) the Su-27 is added, the closer I am to it the better.
So despite just now breaking into tier 3 vehicles, I purchased a tier 4 premium, the Yak-3 VK109. I did this because it's a well rounded energy fighter that can help me learn the ropes in a tier where many of the players understand some of the basics of energy fighting, and I'm already familiar with the general flight characteristics of the common Yak fighter airframe. I used a chunk of my remaining GE to upgrade my crew to a suitable level for the plane (and obviously those below it) and I'll leave the rest for other things.
But... as of writing this, I'd already put 260 hours into the game. I'm not sure I could have brought myself to spend almost $70 (disregarding what was left of the Christmas money in my Steam wallet) had I not done so in a FTP game.
More important than any of that though is I'm finally emotionally mature enough to just stop playing the game when I'm not having fun, I can thank the new CoD for that. Hearing frustrated teammates screaming over their mic because they can't stop themselves from playing even though they've long stopped having fun is a great reminder that hey, I can stop playing whenever I want.
I dont get past of Tier IV because when i get to the last tank or Aircraft of tier IV i go on onto another nation to grind tbh , i love the charm of WW2 vehicles , the only nation in which i got to top tier is the U.S but i dont play to much with those top tier tanks
same for me, but with Germany and USSR grinded out to top tier :O
I've probably been playing a few months at most, and did a rather lenghty break, currently my highest right now is 3.3 with a Panzer 4 F2, got bored, then I forgot that there are south African vehicles in this game, so I switched to the British tree, wasn't too bad, rn in at 2.3 with a SARC with the 2pdr, and I've never had this much fun in this game for a while
Also, a little lesson for the newer players, if your dedicated into playing this game, make sure you don't get angry over someone one shotting your ass from kilometers away, it's not worth getting angry over, rather after the match test drive some vehicles, learn the weakpoints, play a few custom matches with bots to ease some tension and learn a few techniques, and you'll be better in no time, the grind WILL be pain staking, bit always remember at the end, you'll eventually get what you want
Also note. Sometimes matchmaking will be kind to you, other times it will not. Last weekend I had a day where I averaged about 4 kills a game with the peak being 9 kills. Today I got savagely beaten down in every single match I played. Over 5 games I got 3 kills. That was sign enough for me to put it down for the day.
This community is supportive!
The community:
"I'm struggling and could use some ti- "
"sKiLl IsSuE"
one of the most interesting players ive ever seen in warthunder was a dude with thousands of games in the stuart and hardly any in any other tank. he was even lvl100 which says something about how much time he put in it. i guess he just enjoyed the stuart and was fine with it bc even though he had the shermans and m24 unlocked he had no more than 5 matches in those vehicles. Truly a unique player.
Another unique player i met was a dedicated ground rb player who had top tier in multiple nations and mained germanly with good stats to brag about too but he had never flown any aircraft. the only stat he had for an aircraft was 1 match with the he51 in air rb and that was it. nothing air related in sim or arcade.
I am the opposite from tank guy, after 10 years ive only ever played a couple hours max ground forces out of hundreds and hundreds hours of planes ;)
Wait you mean someone found out the point of a game is to(GASP!) have fun playing it? That you can live without the newest most shiny toys! Why I'm shocked oh the horror, think of the children!
Good idea and well done video. I've had an account since WT came out, but just started playing this summer. I was a top level player in WoWS and near top in WoT, but have quit both those games because, well Wargaming. Its not just the long grind (I actually don't really care about top tier), its the steep learning curve. I am improving and it definitely helps watching TH-cam vids and streamers of good players - in fact this is key. This is the best channel I have found that really breaks down and describes the nuances of the game like this. Well done!
Yeah, too bad WT naval is not fun. Atleast for me, i love WoWs but i quit after i realize the greedy nature of wargaming started growing in that game ( i guess they wanna sucks more money like they did with WoT ). Love that game tho, too bad i cant keep paying for camos each time i go to battle just to not have a disadvantage.
I'm in the same boat
@@drae2173 I dunno if WoWs economy is much different but in WoT it is way, I mean WAY and WAY more forgiving and player frindly than WT.
Bro i quit wot also lmao, wargaming is a clown
@@theluluexpress8528 you are in for a treat. Can't wait to see your face making 9 kills at rank 3 and get a negative silver income even with a premium account. I like the game but economy sucks big ones
As a person buying myself into the usa tech tree with the f5c. I can agree. At the start i had regretted purchasing thinking that f5c was the worst aircraft or worst premium. I had ended up quitting and cant touch the game. Recently ive gotten back into it and now im fairly decent and im also willing to try to get better. Currently almost finishing up tier 4 and i had quit when i was tier 3 early. Ive come a long way since and i can say ive definitely improved. Buying premiums or getting up to high tier fast is difficult to adapt too as its majorly different to tier 2 early. But as long as you are dedicated you can get better. For those who relate or are going through this. Dont give up, it may feel like a chore eventually its always nice to take breaks but dont waste the money you spent as as soon as you finally adapt and are better warthunder is quite a blast to play.
Excellent video. Lots of great advice and information. As a filthy casual who's been imprisoned in War Thunder since 2014, I can vouch for everything said here. I'm still trying to beat mid-war 109s in my mid-war Spitfires, and it IS a skill issue.
Is playing warthunder alone fun?
There was a time when I had at least one cheater per day. It's not always the shooting through vegetation or cover. ULQ cleared many strange encounters. But if your enemy looks around in a strange nonorganic manner and for some reason looks exactly where enemies are, even though the player should be unable to see them, then you have found a cheater or hacker. Luckily I played no higher than 6.7 and back in the day 6.7 was a lot more fun. That reduced the amount of them and these days I seldomly find them anymore, however I mostly play 4.3, 5.3 or 5.7 and no higher throughout all nations.
Well if you found that many cases surely you recorded some, but I doubt it since the wording of your comment really makes me think none of them were cheating
I reported them via server replay, as that is the only thing the mods accept, IF it really was hacking. That did not require recording it yourself. I can only give you a few examples from other TH-camr who actually recorded things for their channel, which pretty much looked like what you would see on a hacker/cheater. Aside from that getting shot was not on my priority list for content, unless I did not get taken out. You are right in that department.
sounds like youre calling people hackers based on if they corner peaked you hard enough and had "nonorganic" movements, i dont doubt there are hackers playing but it sounds the same as the kids who still say their are hackers on console gta or hackers on console siege, if there was one every match, youd think there would be more videos showcasing exactly what youre talking about. As of now most cheating videos are of people just simply using a basic aimbot but are practically all a year or more old, maybe i find cheating allegations with no evidence so humorous because ive been accused of cheating in all sorts of games even in war thunder
currently over 1 year. and 3k hours into the game. i fit in the house and prison situations. man i love the game. it has its moments. i dont play to win. but its frustrating to see how gaijin messes it up
I like the philosophy you come at this video with. Very good idea to try to impress these values on potential players. Gaijin won't like it... but you're making the world smarter. Thanks!
Yes, with over 5k hours in that game i found out that its not about getting to top tier, its about playing what you enjoy the most. I'm not playing as much as i used to lately, but tier 2-4 is most fun you will get. I have Germany up to what would you consider top tier few years back (Leo 2k, Leo A1A1, both RakjPz 2, even tanks you cannot research anymore like Mouse, 105 Tiger 2 and Panther 2) but not playing them, i just don't care about them and instead I stick to low tier tanks that are much more fun imho. Just play what you feel is fun and don't fall into the grind circle where you always need the latest, shiniest tanks Gaijin puts in
Same here. I usually bring my Puma for fun and troll moves alongside the Jagdpanzers with pretty darn decent guns and armour for wreaking havoc across the battlefield, that's just so much more fun than constantly being barrel-tortured and barrel-torturing others in high-tier matches. Here you either penetrate and the enemy vehicle goes KABOOM or you don't and you are the one who ends up in flames.
Yeah, I have had most fun with the early planes and boats when they were released and people actually played naval mode.
I've been playing Warthunder since 2017 and since then I've spent unbelievable amounts of time and around $2400 on the game. Honestly one of the worst decisions I made was getting addicted to this game. I stopped going outside, skipped work, and spent all the money I got on it. It destroyed my mental health and created a gaming addiction because I wanted vehicles so badly. I still mostly play 4.7-7.7 even though I grinded so desperately to get top tier vehicles. It really isn't worth dedicating yourself to the game. Play for fun, don't grind, and be happy with the vehicles you have.
I was about to buy my way to the top . Glad I seen this vid and comment first
Damn man i hope you are in a better place now... good thing i love my Pz III ^^
lol wtf
Bruh. I’ve heard of War Thunder addiction, and I can sort of get saying no to hanging out with frienfs because you’re playing a game, but skipping work and spending entire salaries on the game? That’s crazy to me.
It sounds like you have a very high addiction potential. Never, ever start gambling. .
Very good. I learned a lot of this the hard way. I wish I had seen a video like this when I started.
Also, a tip I have is: every year on the game's anniversary premium account goes on sale and you can get a year's worth for half off. I definitely suggest getting it. Premium account is probably the best thing you can get to speed up your grinding.
Been playing the game since the end of 2012. Always loved my 109's i went from playing arcade to realistic in 2 months and at the end of 2019 i started flying in sim. Never been a high tier guy, i love the WW2 birds and i keep to it. Got some jets but they never really spoke to me
Some good observations. I’ve made several of the mistakes you’ve mentioned and I can verify your points. Had to take a step back and just go through each vehicle and have fun unlocking all the modifications and paint jobs. Not on every nations tree as I leaned my lesson the hard way in just the French jets. And seriously… don’t buy the high tier premiums until you’ve already earned that tier. Your pilots will pass out less often. Haha. Also I play mostly aircraft and ships and really enjoy the ww2 stuff most. Kinda wish they’d add some WW1 type planes. Might be cool. But I ramble… nice vid and good advice.
Not everybody has low ping, some have to play on high ping.
I Kind of get enraged seeing that Su-11, knowing the 262 couldnt do such maneuvers without losing most of its speed, while being at the same Br
On December, Gaijiin had a 50% sale on premium vehicles, I bought 1000 GE and asked people what vehicle should I buy and they all said XP-50, I bought it and at the time I was only around 2.3 BR and when I tried the XP-50 I absolutely sucked and blamed it on the vehicle, I then moved to USSR and grinded till tier 4 and decided to try the XP-50 again and I absolutely dominated getting around 35K-60K SL per match. In just 3 days alone of grinding I was able to reach 2 million SL total using the XP-50. So yeah I think you need to try out the game before spending huge sums of money on the game.
Absolutely. There's a plane for everyone but not everyone for each plane.
said all for the "skill issues"
Just started playing 5 days ago, cant thank you enough for the time you spent to make this and help newers players. you CAN NOT put a value on the information you just shared and a value on the time and money you saved people! For now bc i do enjoy this game, im old and enjoy this pace of game, i will stick to buying a starter pack and enjoy the lower tiers and the time it will take to unlock the tiers naturally. Long road ahead but nice knowing i found a game i can grind at any pace and enjoy. Totally changed my mind on several things and the direction i will now go and how i spend my time on here. Much love and thanks again!
Get premium!
Its very fast and easy in start, because everybody else are new beginners, so you can enjoy the start, but somewhere around tier three it starts to get harder, when players get better and you need a lot more SP to unluck new tanks, like you need 30000 SP in tier 3, while you needed 3000 SP in tier 1. In War Thunder you also need to know where do your bullet penetrate through the tank to kill its crew to destroy the tank, when if you dont know you can miss a lot kills and it can get more frustrating. In higher tier there will be a lot campers with Soviet KV’s or German Sturm tanks, so you must look out, when they can eaisly just one shot you, so better to get with good manuver to their side or to their behind to kill them and then you need to look for the points, when typically 2 points from 3 is enough to win the game, when winning game gives a lot more SP, than loosing and after all my three tanks died in the battelfield. I go quickly for the next game to not waste any time in the grind, when one game can go very long before it ends, when still few people in both sides alive, when the game is ending, when most player died already three times.
Welcome to the suck!
But really. I am new also lvl 47.
What I have to share is to pick one lineup and go with it. If you turn off auto repair you save and play more nations.
Play ground RB not arcade. Ok maybe start to learn a little bit play RB trust me. It’s hard yes but you will earn more RP and SL.
Also play air AB. Arcade in air is fun. AR is hard has shit. One plane, as much ammo as it holds, and start on ground.
I went US then German, then Russia, and China.
Play and enjoy. Don’t get mad. And you will get shot from something you can’t see all the damn time !!
MELTxMAN - Xbox player
my main problem with war thunder is how long it takes to research vehicles even AFTER you have enough SL to order them
I can speak from experience with the burnout. Recently I was really frustrated with the game and just not in a good mood so I took about a week long break and feel so much better.
After this event i will not play for weeks im think..
Im playing war thunder for about 7 or 8 months now, and i know to myself I can't form a proper and fair opinion about war thunder and the experience playing it that all i can do is complain, i played thinking im free...turns out i just created my own prison.
my average lifetime in 5.3 to mid tier(6.3) (USSR,Germany,US)
is about 3-6 mins.
I can't do crap, im partially blind due to playing in ulq then everyone calls me a cheater cause i play in ULQ, im forcing myself to have fun and play on a PC where i shouldn't be, im coping for a mental health issue that i dont know cause i cant afford to get a professional help, all i can do is play games to atleast numb my mind and continue life, keep my sanity and live life as a 3rd world teenager can, ill admit it, im bad at war thunder, like fr, i recently found my favorite BR and country, and i did well, maybe cause the players are new but who cares, that's the only time where i get double digit kill count (11-13) and i feel good about myself for that, that's why im still playing, and uptiers drains my sanity, like when i play 5.7 ill be uptierd to 6.3-6.7
but when i use a 6.3 ill get uptierd to 7.0, jets are startling me, random heat from somewhere, a tank that i cant pen, drove for about 5 mins then got killed,return to hangar with no kills...
its a mixed emotion for me and i hate it.
and yes, i vented here so i must be sus😩
kinda sus...
my experience with war thunder is that there is always that one person that is level 100 - 150 and knows all of your weakspots
Grind felt far less brutal in the earlier days, when you'd unlock entire lines of aircraft at once rather than one at a time.
I played a good bit about 6 years back when i was in my first year of college and was up to the Tiger II and Panther G on PC just playing on my laptop on min settings. I've moved past it and I've just recently started playing again but on my Series X (losing all my progress unless I start playing on both again). I've played alot of WoT on console from 2013-2020. So I know how to position decently and have a pretty good grasp of armor thickness/where to shoot. My biggest gripe isn't the tech tree grind because it's not a huge deal to me given how I used to play WoT, but my biggest problem with WT is how shit the economy is. Had a game earlier where I racked up 6 kills in my M10 GMC before dying only to earn 10k SL at the end of the match
I still think thats the better way to do it, especially when you need sets for tanks or boats even in RB and sim. Now you grind, unlock a tank and then you cant even use it because you dont have enough to fill a proper set and obviously it needs to get spaded with parts etc.. I havent played in 4 years, came back because I saw modern MBTs are a thing but after 2 days I already think I will quit again
Good advice, thanks. Hope to get out of the tier where everyone likes to kamikaze you just for the kill. I'm new and I gotta say it has been a challenge to find a happy balance in the game for controls. Once I managed to get my throttle quadrant working with mouse aim and maneuver this was a big game changer for me. I love my hotas but the mouse made it super easy and fun with the throttle quadrant, making it feel like I was still in a simulation. Keep on flying high folks.
My biggest issue with high tier is the prevalence of air dominance in ground battles, I really wish there was an actual ground battle mode, with no air.
This. I don't often rage at the game, and normally getting bombed doesn't get to me, but I admit it makes me a bit salty to be right on the cusp of pulling off a huge flank that I patiently worked hard to achieve only to get cheesed by some plane with a bomb that I can't do anything about even though I did everything right. Just give me 100% ground battles and may the best man win
The other thing with wt is if your team is getting stomped make it your objective to stomp out the issue, if it's air craft bring an anti air lineup into the game, if it's bombers then take out the bombers
This is why I play aerial, I don't have to be good to feel good. Thank you for your sacrifice.
@@Enigmatic1776 based
Well done. As a 7 year player, this is spot on. I'd only add that buying any premium vehicle is rarely worth the cost over buying annual premium account time - which is typically 50% off around Christmas time.
I play almost only arcade in air battles, it just feels more alive and moving than air RB since you can actually respawn, and don't spend a lot of time traveling to the fight at low tiers. You can also strategize with your team, I have a prewritten message saved to paste into the chat that can provably increase my winrate a little. I prefer RB for tanks and boats, and I also occasionally play SB air, for example I'm watching a movie or a stream I can grind bases with a bomber on the other screen.
Point is the last point of the video, don't let anyone shit on your favourite game mode, different people like different ways to play, and I won't call someone bad because they enjoy the aiming pointer in ground AB or something.
Arcade is boring though in my opinion, I prefer the longer matches, it feels much more like a real life battle. It's a lot more punishing, but also a lot more rewarding.
In my opinion low tier ab is fun but once you get to around late rank 3 and beyond is where air rb really picks up and starts getting fun.
Something I've learned while playing 1.0-6.0br German Air. Be prepared to be disappointed, German planes despite having great firepower are extremely sluggish. It took me hundreds of hours to learn how to play the Bf109's and the Fw190's. Watch other players, see how they fly their 109's/190's and try to model yourself after them. You don't have to be stuck only doing Boom-and-Zoom every game, you can learn how to properly dogfight with them, it just takes time. Watch tutorials on flying, flaps, manual controls then put them to the test to see what's comfortable for you. One tactic that I'll let you in on that several of my German Mains can swear by, don't be scared to go head on with any plane, throw your shots first at 1km away then pull up and away immediately after. If they take the bait, you'll get your nose on them before they can.
bf 109s were so dominant at one point and german bais felt like a real thing. These days matches are much different and teams are strange combinations (pun intented), also after adding so many new planes there cant be one top dog and each plane has its strengths in different scinaerios including the 109 and fw
Hate to be that guy, but German planes are literally one if the most maneuverable trees out there. Trying to play France or sometimes even Japan in air is literally impossible since the BF-109 E4 will delete you and fly circles around you.
@@ohthatswild1755 rofl.
Russian tree? Brits with their spits? American p38s? 😂😂
Maybe the f4, but remind me again which plane gets outturned by a g6? ;)
Thanks. Good distinction between how to play vs what your experience will actually be like. These are hard truths this beginner appreciated hearing.
Also, I really like your positive attitude, despite this video being about the negatives of playing WT.
This is really good advice. Because how much fun you have is totally based on how good you are. Not your tank. Super important to know the maps and shooting lanes. Where you can squeeze a round through some ruins. From decent cover. Then boogie off to the next spot as your team rolls forward. How fast you can deploy smoke and dip out when you crest that hill and youre facing a firing squad. Picking your shots. Waiting for that thin armour to present itself. And being able to recognize at a glance if youre out matched, not firing and continue hunting for a better target.
I never understood why people complained about the grind I looked at it from an mmo standpoint doing and it seemed fairly easy, the worst is grinding out that phantom and then having to grind out its modifications I've always found unlocking the mods more annoying than the jets themselves
Oh and the ques the ques are the worst at end game sometimes I wonder if all the time I spent on ques could have unlocked a tier 7 jet faster by using lower br jets instead of jets within a 1.0.br range
Most gamers are not autistic "I only like numbers" MMO people
I mean they probably started playing to play stuff like the Abrams and they start the game and see they gotta play in the M2 medium with M3A1 light tanks and got maybe 2 years of grinding ahead of them
idc if i die regularly, i have fun with premiums and its not as if i never get kills
plus i always come back after big defeats
I've been coming and going over the years...I enjoy it for a while and I do find the aviation side easier to play. The tanks side is a bit of fun with some challenge and the naval is hell as much as I want to get the crafts I want I find naval to much of a grind. But then once i'm in the right mind set I do spend alot of time on it.
Never tried Navyfield, huh? Lol.
About the "Not everyone cheats" part, for the first 3 or 4 years of my WT career (revolving door style) I wholeheartedly believed hackers were rampant and the whole community was just coping about it. But then, one day, I began discovering little tricks and minute details of the game that, once I learned them, I began seeing from the perspective of those who i accused as cheaters in the past and I realized how things actually worked. At that moment my level of skill elevated dozenfold. The details really matter. War thunder isn't point and click, it's astonishingly mathematical.
And, two things to note for all new players that is ESSENTIAL INFORMATION:
Knowledge is power.
It's about the journey, not the destination.
I definitely encountered a ton of cheaters when I played…
Maybe things are different these days but back in the day there were certainly cheaters.
2012 Vet' here ; I keep telling this simple rule to anyone who join..
"Everything can kill everything if well managed"
And that's the beauty of this game ! No enemy is "too" strong, you just need to think and outplay them !
Last "tip" ; LISTEN to seasonned players typing in chat ! They dont want to lose at the end and they "know" some things to really help to win !
if you were a tru vet youd know thats the farthest things from the truth, only low br cheese HE stuff works in tiers above it, and dont even get me started on the maus if it doesnt get uptierd
This is true! I have been dragged by some friends into top tier while i was using a Ms.105 (french early fighter Br 1.3). I managed to get 2 kills in one match by getting my friends to dogfight a enemy jet and then once the jet is at slow speed i pounce and shred the jet by aiming for the cockpit with my 20mm cannon and 7.5mm guns.
Vet?!?! LOL must be a RICH VET, because the game makes Premium Accounts or anyone who spends money in it, an ace. It is horribly manipulated, the game, gtfo
@@shaggygabe728 airplanes are much easier to kill, try vehicles, sucks horribly
@@gbc.art.bra.49 ZIS 30, 15cm sIG 33, Ho-Ro and many more tanks are capable of taking down high br vehicles (even Gaijin themselves said this about the sIG 33). As for ships, well nobody plays those anyway
Can't... stop... pressing... TO BATTLE...
You had me on everything but the cheating part. It's a loaded statement to say you never see cheaters. That's assuming every cheater is obvious to you.
For those who are still stuck on silver lions
try to use the Israeli S199 Sakeen BR 3.3 Match Maker 3.0
in AAB the Sakeen is the meta plane thanks to its cannons and the fact that 50% of the players you would be facing are biplanes
so to earn SL:
Go to AAB (in ARB this plane sucks, just a worse BF109) and play as agressive as you want (if you researched up to tier 4 i bet you have the skills to do it well)
the S199 has 3 free respawns (both in AAB GAB and GRB) so its not that hard to get a lot of kills with it
when you feel you learned the plane you can start grinding wagers with it (like i do)
also as a bonus playing like this makes the Israeli grind (which is to be honest the easiest of nations) a hell lot easier (because of excess research points)
another bonus is when there is an areal event vehicle you can do it with the S199 a lot quicker (couple of hours for each task and a greater chance of getting the coupon)
for those who want to know this is my statistics (Arcade) with the S199 (as of 8 Nov. 24 i am level 66)
Victories: 152 Battles: 260 V/B: 58% Respawns: 675 Deaths: 548 Areal Kills: 1,517 Ground Kills: 211 SL Gain: 1.6M (excluding wagers) RP Gain:117K K/D is around 3/1