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- Gun expert Ian McCollum reacts to the Franchi SPAS-12 in several games, including Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War, Half-Life 2, and more. In our latest IGN Experts React, Ian breaks down just how realistic the SPAS 12 shotgun is in games. From Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege and F.E.A.R. to Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades, and more, here's how this iconic shotgun in videogames shapes up.
Ian is a firearm expert, historian, and founder of both Forgotten Weapons and Headstamp Publishing. He's here to share his gun expert knowledge on one of the most popular shotguns in games, the SPAS-12.
00:00 - Intro
00:35 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
04:35 - Half-Life 2
06:38 - F.E.A.R.
08:16 - Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades
09:45 - Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
11:58 - Final Thoughts
#IGN #Gaming #RainbowSixSiege - เกม
A massive thank you to Ian, for his expertise and knowledge! What other guns would you like to see covered? Let us know down below and more from Ian, make sure to check out his TH-cam channel - Dale
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I'd like to see the ArmaLite AR-15 & its derivatives covered.
Thank you for picking the best.
@@josharpe5802 Ian definitely knows a thing or two about the little armalite.
You really should link to his channel in the description.
You know, it would be interesting to see Ian react to several different firearms from the same game, and maybe even the same gun in different iterations of the same franchise, to see the evolution of the gun.
Hotdogs Horseshoes and Hand grenades was really done dirty on this. The gun doesn't spawn with optics, so the ones in the video were placed manually by the player, who set them up wrong. IGN should have acknowledged that they screwed that part up in the clip. Also the game simulates what he'd mentioned earlier about lower-power loads not cycling while higher-power loads do, which kind of seems like it deserves some credit.
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but it loses credit for poorly modeling their range from @hickok45
@@phobetos4976 anton gave it a re-work, but vr is intensive so all the graphics settings are really potato'd
Pretty sure IGN did that on purpose to get a reaction out of Ian haha
Yes, but it's more interesting to have an expert point out things that are wrong than just say "Yeah, this is all correct."
His face when the presenter said “weapon charm” is absolutely priceless
Gun Jesus does not approve 🤣
Moments like this make me wish IGN would collab with Gamespot as they pit Ian and Ferguson against the most cursed of videogame guns...and have them both collectively lose their sanity.
How else would these destitute game companies make money if they couldn't sell you dangly charms?? It's very selfish of you to not consider how many millions the cooperate bonus will be. These yachts don't buy themselves.
@@iambiggus Of course! Because making quality games takes actual *effort* and re-hashing the same game with new scenery and adding some microtransactions is so much cheaper.
He's imagining a public indoor shooting range full of ammosexuals showing off their weapon charms on their awful custom jobs.
Forgotten weapons is the GOAT of guns history
For mid-length content, yes. Othais of C&Rsenal is the GOAT of long-form content.
@@josharpe5802 Ian seems to agree with you
Well, to be fair, he is Gun Jesus
Captain Obvious over here.
GOAT?
9:02 It's actually the player's fault that the gun is setup incorrectly. The game allows you to put accessories on guns however you please. If that means putting scopes backwards or in a silly order, so be it!
They should've shown the cursed sight picture of that setup, it'd be cool to see Ian reacting to task successfully failed.
It's kinda wild to see Ian on IGN. Been following him and Hick for over 5 years.
2 of the mighty gun gods
Fun fact about the Spas 12 in Hotdogs Horseshoes and Hand Grenades, you can switch it to pump mode by pressing down on the touchpad on your pump hand while the hammer is down
Also, low pressure shells like Dragon's breath won't cycle it in semi-automatic mode
Man, I miss the days when Tom Clancy still had some say over the games that bore his name, because a lot of the ridiculous bullshit in modern games wouldn’t exist.
He was so anal about getting details right, he almost vetoed Sam Fisher’s iconic goggles as dual night vision and thermal goggles were impossible to make in 2001 when the game was being developed. He only relented because Ubisoft devs convinced him that physically switching goggles would slow the gameplay down too much. Ironically, those goggles would be invented in real life at around 2004.
Playing older Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, or Rainbow Six games is a huge contrast to what modern “Tom Clancy” games are.
So...he was shortsighted?
Jkjk.
@@alalalala57 On some level. lol
But it does show how much attention to detail he had. He knew, at the time, it wasn't possible and wouldn't be able to predict whether technological breakthroughs years later would resolve the problems.
Rainbow six rogue spear was fantastic .... subsequent games were ... meh!
Milking a dead mans reputation...
@@KaptajnKaffe eh clancy was a reaganboo
The visible pain when he said "weapon charm" got me rollin.
The most common in game mistake for the SPAS: Not holding down the carrier latch when loading the tube.
3:13 another reason that Oryx and Valk flip the SPAS like that is that the left hand can be in contact with the carrier latch to hold it down while loading the shell. Cold War did the same on 11:01, the only oversight is that the bolt isn't lock back when you fire the last round in semi auto, but of course, COD doesn't really do a +1 round in the chamber on every magazine/tube fed guns from the get-go, so i'll give it a pass.
Agreed, from personal experience that safety feature is a major pain even with an extended bolt release button. Its also unique that the bolt release button is on the left side of the gun.
Though the Spas-12 is an iconic combat shotgun, personal experience is far less glamorous. Its heavy, unwieldy, and has more safety features than a Nerf gun that inhibit manipulation and reloading. It has a safety, your usual pump-action safety catch (that locks the action after chambering a round before firing), and the bolt release must be held down to unlock the feed chute for reloading. Imagine having to hold down a button awkwardly on a heavy shotgun just to fiddle shells inside. Other than that major pain of a safety feature, flipping between pump and semi-auto modes couldn't be easier and is a lot of fun to shoot in both fire modes!
Exactly this. The Benelli M3 is a much more superior shotgun if you wanted dual mode firing.
@@prfwrx2497 it's like its improved cousin. both are italian-made shotgun with both modes after all
Also some of the well worn old model rotating safety levers are known to have fired the gun when taken off safe. There was a recall, but not all guns were converted to the updated push style. Beware.
Bless Ian, calling the charm hanger a sling swivel. Such a pure man, untainted by evil game publisher marketing tactics.
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My theory regarding Half Life 2 using the Spas in pump action mode is that Gordon, while being an incredible shot is a physicist by trade and has no idea he can switch it over.
It's a testament to his problem solving skills he worked out how to reload any of his guns.
that would be funny if Half-life 3 had that in it. Barney tells Gordan: hey Gordan you know that thing shoot semi auto?... Gordan... proceeds to wipe out the Combine with now semi-auto SPAS-12
@@MrChickennugget360 That would explain why the shotgun combine troopers shoot so much faster.
They have a weapons training range in Black Mesa as visible in the tutorial so the actual game isn't the first time he picked up a gun.
@@massivepileup Unless you consider Freeman's Mind canon, where Gordon refused to deliberately injure himself and thus missed out on the weapons training.
@@hubbabubba9849 The Rebels too, shoot it faster than Gordon.
Though a somewhat noticeable difference is that Combine Sergeants don't empty the entire thing before reloading unless they are cornered. If they are in relative safety or cover, they will shoot 6 shells out 8 and then reload.
in all fairness in h3vr those sights are put on by the player not by the devs/modders and im not gonna lie ive stuck my holo on backwards a few times
Can you get him to react specifically to hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades, there are some really weird and cool guns in there
And get him to actually play around with those gun IN VR rather than just crimp some footage from online.
Most of them are even from Forgotten Weapons
"Ian visit Hitchcock45's range", except it's the HHH recreation.
IGN & Ian - You should do a video like this on the MP5. Games really screw up the reloads and things like that. Check out the reload on Warface to see what I mean.
Always hated the model for the SPAS in FEAR, but FEAR is literally one of the best FPS games of all time.
Too be fair it isn't actually a spas, none of the weapons in FEAR are real weapons.
@@Hubert_Cumberdale_ well of course. But they are still based on real weapons. The SMG is based on a MP5K
To be fair weapons look really bad on that game engine in general, when compared to something like Source engine.
@@Hubert_Cumberdale_ The SL8 is a real gun. It's a California legal G36.
Most Fear guns are poorly modeled to be honest however they have some of the best particle effects.
And the shotgun IS satisfying to use.
Black Ops Cold War’s gunsmith actually allows the user to not only unfold the stock, but also install the solid fixed one as well.
3:13 For the reason he flips the gun over. There's a button on the left of the gun you have to press to unlock the loading gate. You can see it right behind the pump. It's easier to press the button and load it upside down. A lot of game get that wrong.
made a video on that
Ian getting genuinely angry at weapon charms was utterly priceless.
Ian's Forgotten weapons channel is informative and fun.
This reminds me of inrangeTv's video about shotguns without stock featuring Ian.
This Ian guy seems pretty cool.
He should make his own youtube channel. Maybe he can talk about some not-as-well-remembered firearms.
The modeling might be shifty in F.E.A.R., but the game itself is friggin amazing!!
Here for Ian, been following him for almost a decade
I've been watching Ian for years, happy to see IGN make a weapons series featuring Gun Jesus, love both the Gamespot series and this
We need to get Ian McCollum and Jonathan Ferguson together for a video.
They have done that a couple of times
This happens constantly
Oh man I wanted to see Payday 2 Spas, it can use muzzle attachments, other ammo types, weird gadgets and sights and also a folded, extended, removed and a solid stock.
dude you guys got Ian to do this.. please bring ian on more often dude is like an encyclopedia for gun history! And hes just an all around pleasant dude to listen too.
Modern day or historical FPS games really need to Hire Ian to sort out the BS we get from graphic artists who have never held or seen a real life version of what they are attempting to model.
Or just take the team out to the range for a couple days so they know how these things actually work. A bit of on-location research, as it were.
Ian consulted on Battlefield 1.
They need somebody to give the devs a smack every time they model pistols with the hammer perpetually decocked, or an open-bolt subgun firing exclusively from a closed bolt.
This is the best person for the job!! Learned so much from him
This is the best content IGN has delivered in years.
Lol, the player put the EO Tech sight on wrong and they didn't even tell him the player is just wrong. @8:50
A SPAS-12 and Desert Eagle. A Schwarzenegger game load-out. A long as it looks cool. Remember current games are about customizing with special perks, forget reality.
it's suprising that ian didn't explain that Valkyrie reload spas that way not just because it's easier but also you need to press the carrier latch on the left side of the gun to insert the shells (yes, spas is not to be reload with primary hand like ur usual shotty)... siege is i think the few short where game finally show spas reload correctly..and Ubisoft also did it correctly with KSG on FC6
also Valkyrie did rack the bolt not pushing any button so maybe it's my eyes fault or something
please tag this comment so people know
Cold War follow suit too. Not alot of games correctly depicted the correct SPAS reload by holding down the carrier latch while loading the shell.
And a small correction, he was playing Oryx. Notice his logo at the top.
You can't press the carrier latch without turning the gun upside down?
@@mattmexor2882 not really. As long as you hold down the carrier latch in any orientation, you can load the SPAS very easily.
@@mattmexor2882 you can but its easier when you hold with off hand while the other insert the shells
this is one of the reason SPAS didn't get the game fame on real life.. it's just impractical to applied in tactical situation
I'm honestly a little disappointed that Black didn't make the cut. None the less, glad to see Ian expanding his digital resume.
Gun jesus rises again
None of the weapons in F.E.A.R. were genuine. The shotgun was named the "VK-12", the machine-gun was the "G2A2", etc. Some of them were reminiscent of real-life guns -- like the VK-12 looking a little bit like the SPAS, but that's just for the player to visually identify that they're picking up a "generic shotgun", and to expect "generic-shotgun-in-a-video-game" results.
Most games don't use the real name of guns, that's in no way unique to FEAR. It's done because using the actual name of the gun requires permission, whereas making a model that looks like the gun doesn't.
Even Ian is in disbelief where the Tom Clancy franchise had ended up
Awesome, please bring Ian back and do this for other iconic guns in games.
Thanks!
Some of the old James Bond games allowed you to switch between semi and pump mode with pump mode firing slower with more damage.
Frinesi moment
My fav spas is the one in a 007 game called night fire. For game balance it can shoot both pump and semi auto but does more dmg in pump mode since it’s slower to shoot. Even though it’s antithetical to the real life version.
Unfortunately, Tom Clancy passed about eight years ago.
The games under his banner definitely took a bit of a dive in quality, consistency since his passing. There's been a definite creep in of rule of cool into the series. Especially some parts of Ghost Recon.
Rainbow Six Siege is also the least 'tactical' of that series. Even going back as far Vegas 1 and Vegas 2.
Nevermind further back to Raven Shield, the first one.
Even before he passed, he sold the rights to his name and things started getting dumb. If you remember Hawx, that was one that got dinged seriously for being Tom Clancy in name only.
Just you imagine Ian McCollum and Jonathan Ferguson in the same video
pretty cool that ign got Ian on here
Please keep making these!
You should have shown him the SPAS-12 from the first Manhunt game. The character unfolds the stock and aims it proper, a small detail many games still can't get right today. Bravo Rockstar 👏
WTF it’s Ian from Forgotten Weapons? This is AMAZING!! Thanks IGN for this treat and thanks to Ian im a fan!
I'd love to see Ian react to Hunt: Showdown weapons. I've seen Jonathan from RA react to them, but I'd love to see hear Ian's thoughts as well.
If it helps any, the optic setup for Hotdogs Horseshoes, and Hand Grenades is due to the user. The gun comes with bare rails and the user places and positions them themselves
Grinned like a goofball when Ian did his usual "Hi guys..." intro
The beat gun historian on this channel is awesome 😎
In Sven Coop they actually made the SPAS full auto, and in CSO you can turn into semi and full auto mode.
I’m glad they showed Ian how to attach charms to the gun🤣.
the best part in Half-Life 2 is that combine soldiers use the shotugn in semi auto
rebels use it in pump action
and gordon having enough experience with weapons since black mesa incidents deliberately uses it in pump action
guess that's his preferred mode
In 2010's _GoldenEye 007_ (or _GoldenEye Reloaded_ from 2011), the SPAS-12 is practically a pump-action sniper rifle.
Ian McCollum was a GREAT person for a Series like this because if you watch his Channel it's CRAZY just how much he knows about Firearms Even the REALLY obscure stuff.
A little upset that 007 Nightfire didn't appear in this video. That has one of the cooler SPAS-12 depictions
You guys should get Ian to play hotdogs horseshoes and hand grenades, one of my favourite VR games and you can tell it’s made with love.
just here for Ian. great channel @ Forgotten Weapons
When using NV/IR a laser is useful, other sinarios not so much
Dissapointed that Ian didnt catch that in H3VR that it ran both pump and semi auto
Yes! More Ian please, his is a criminally underrated channel
He has millions of subscribers
@@WesMerc should be more is my point champ. Top quality content if you have an interest in firearms
Should have told Ian that in HHH the player gets to manually put attachments on, I'm pretty sure you can even put them on backwards
Gun Jesus disapproves of Weapon Charms.
I'm happy!
In the Matrix, the security officer with the SPAS was firing it in semi auto, but when Trinity kicks it over his shoulder and fires, she pumps it. A great way to show both in a blink and miss it scene.
There’s now another gun expert reacts. Let the battle begin!
The Hot dogs, horseshoes and hand grenades looks like the Hickok45 game.
I’d love your take on COD MW3 1870 saddle carbine 12g loved using in cqc team deathmatches
Love when games promote super customization, have the Spas 12 pump action and like the bernelli for semi auto instead of converting the spas
The sling swivel is for charms.
For R6 seige the reason for those bits of weirdness comes from cosmetics (charms you can throw on any gun. Or technical reasons such as the riser for the red dot.
Ian roasting siege was so nice to listen to
More from Ian Please!
I'm kinda suprised Ian didn't mention the button you have to hold down in order to actually load the thing. There is that button above the loading port which unlocks that flap allowing you to actually put shells into the magazine tube. Afaik this was done to prevent shells from falling out through this flap because it had a tendency to move up when firing so they locked it in place with you having to unlock it during loading by holding down that button. That's another reason why the correct way to load a SPAS-12 is to hold it the way it's depicted in Rainbow Six Siege... almost, becuase they forgot to animate the thumb actually holding down the button XD
007 Nightfire actually has the feature for switching between semi and pump!
Forgotten Weapons constantly shows up in my TH-cam recommendations, and I'm not even a gun nut
Join us..
Looks like Ian forgot about a button that unlocks loading port. That's why you need to flip over SPAS-12 - to access and hold that button on right side while loading shells
Currently enjoying the Benelli M2 mod in Fallout 4....superb!
id love to see Ian react to the easter egg reloads in Battlefield Hardline.
Why are the showing a customized gun instead of the base one.
surprised he didn't mention the trope of shotgun spread apparently resulting in about zero damage over 15 feet away
Hey! It's the RPG explosion guy!
Bring Ian back for more of these
The halflife 1 double shotgun blast seemed to make 2 shots in quick succession, so maybe they didn't actually believe the bottom part was a second barrel. Also the FEAR shotgun could possibly not be a SPAS 12 since it's actually called a VK-12 in game. Maybe they just wanted it to resemble the Spas 12's coolest features.
Whoever did the H3VR demo did the game and that version of the SPAS dirt nasty
There's a version of the SPAS12 in COD Black Ops 1 where it DOES fire in semi auto
0:57 those days are long gone
Kinda interesting that game spot and ign both have the same kind of series
"expert in guns react to guns in games"
Royal armories and forgotten weapons how nice
More of Ian McMullen and John Ferguson please they’re both well informed and charming to watch
More of Ian please.
"Be gone, demon" said Gun Jesus when facing a cursed weapon.
Correct me if im remembering wrong, but the release button needs to be depressed and held in order to unlock the loading gate. Cant load a fresh shell otherwise. Also, if reloading from a half full mag, you would need to hit the magstop button on the right side, otherwise a shell would chamber when the action was cocked open. Also a shell would have ejected from the chamber when opening the action.
Isn't flipping the gun over necessary to press the carrier latch so that the loading gate will actually move?
I feel like Ian needs to see H3VR in it fullest
The only guy who can rival "Johnathan Ferguson,keeper of firearms and artillery at the royale armory and museum"
I've been watching both for a long time so it's cool that more people are being exposed to them and their content
I'm just happy seeing H3VR show up!
Yooo Ian on IGN!
OMG Ya'll got Ian on!
What really is a shame we don't never really see anyone using the hook in games or movies.