Thinking back about it, yes her character was entilted. But internships should be paid. Working for free should never be accepted. A lesser pay maybe because you are also here to learn, but a pay nonetheless to support yourself.
@@HighStakesDanny Which is? The pay is already lower due to the fact there is in theory a teaching part and you have less experience. But there is still work done.
I think if you don't want to work for nothing then just do something else. If you are useless then I don't think you should expect someone to pay you well. Funny how we are happy to pay a university but we expect someone to pay us for the privilege of teaching us how to be useful. You are not useful to them and you cost them money in the first 6 months. How about this? Just negotiate the best deal you can and don't ban people from getting free experience.
I can see both sides here. On the one hand, it's entitled to expect that your parents will support you indefinitely while you figure out what you want in life. Two years after college is a pretty long time. She should at least be looking into other options and being on her own. On the other hand, they just tell her no more, instead of tapering off. It would have been kinder to give her a few months to find a paying job and more realistic lifestyle, move into a smaller place etc. She can't be expected to suddenly pay for everything, they know her job is an internship and when she asks for money, she'll instantly be fired. They taught her that she'll be taken care of, and then they cut her off without warning. Not the best parenting.
I agree but she was honestly nasty at the end too. Like I get you are mad at your parents for being so blunt but you are being a total b for not even taking the time to see them! I mean they did SUPPORT you for 2 years. No one does that.
My parents never supported me, I even paid most of college by myself with student loans, but I still think cutting her off suddenly like that wasn't fair. At least give her a heads up on how things are gonna be. Of course, if my rich parents supported me, maybe I could've afforded to live in NYC, that would've been cool lol
Looking back on this scene now, which Hannah is obviously immature, it is also pretty irresponsible and rude to cut off your kid who lives in NYC with no income without any warning? They easily could have done this slowly so she had time to find a job or make arrangements, I don’t think her anger is entirely unjustified. But then there’s no show so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This scene is iconic. God i watched this when i was 15 and i only thought girls was a stupid and funny tv show. Watching this in mid twenties the whole tv show feels brutally real. I disliked lena now i think she's a genius.
I thought the same when this came out, I was 20. Try watching it again when you're 30, it's a great show but you'll feel differently about her character lol.
Why, are you doing what Lena was doing, living of your parents efforts. Lena needed to use that Liberal Arts degree of hers to get something resembling a real job. NYC might be a vibrant Liberal city full of vice that many people like to gravitate to, but those people also need to produce something to maintain the extravagance. Most of them have to or they get chewed up.
i related to Hannah so much here. this has literally happened to me. i even said to my parents “you guys are so lucky im not a drug addict or part of a gang” like i was literally so spoiled and never realized it until my mid-20s. ugh 😩 i miss this show so much!
I like many hated Hannah because she was so entitled! But that’s the point! Like a Carrie Bradshaw. The issue is that parents need to instill work ethics into their kids. My parents paid for my college but I had to work as a waitress making $2.13/hr every summer from 16 years old. And then I had to do extra curricular’s in high school. And then in college I had to graduate with a bachelor in science (I did engineering), with above a 3.5 GPA or I would haha to pay, and I had to have paying internships every summer even tho they would send me money. It sucked. But that was the contract. To have your kid just float along with no job for 2 years while paying 100% for them is asinine
@@Sarah-yy6hv I know. My paycheck was $0 after taxes. And I worked from 8am cutting and dicing even tho the restaurant didn’t open until 10:30am. I was just too young and didn’t know better. This was like in 2011 too. I was young and impressionable. Made like $1k the entire summer 💀 I was so stupid
@@Sarah-yy6hv it was but it did build grit and resilience. And I was fortunate enough that I didn’t have to worry about money for basic needs. So it worked out.
I was trying to explain this scene to my uncle. His daughter is going through this cause her daughter wants to live/work in NY. They want to cut her off. NY is not cheap place to intern. I thought I was going to really hate this show but I liked it. FIrst two seasons were good.
@@HighStakesDanny Idk I could look in indianapolis? Dude split a fucking apartment my friends live in manhattan all in for 1100-1400 what the actual fuck STOP RENTING THAT SHIT AND DITCH YOUR CAR
As somebody who was on their own while still in high school it blows my mind knowing so many Millennials and now Gen Z'ers have the luxury of parents supporting them financially years into adulthood. And that they feel entitled to it. So bizarre.
So it's okay for kids to feel entitled to their parents paying for everything and doing everything them?? When parents do their job their children venture out and have a desire for independence. This shit is abuse. Sadistic, narcissistic, irresponsible "parents" - it boggles my mind that anyone can't see the huge problem with that. You can't just do that to someone. They pretend like she's splurging and refusing to do anything. Basic necessities. They're purposely stopping her from being able to achieve independence. Preventing her from being able to grow up
The difference is the parents that allow that. My parents could have easily funded me, but they made me work for it. I did engineering and had to maintain a 3.5 GPA or else I was cut off. I had to work part time for $2.13/hr as a waitress. I had to get a paid internship every summer. Those wages would not have afforded me to pay for my schooling, so I am so lucky and grateful my parents helped me. But they instilled a hard work ethic and showing up. I can’t believe Hannah’s parents funded her for 2 years with no job and no school - what lesson does that teach?!?
And my point is similar to yours - it’s bizarre children feel entitled to their parents money. I haven’t taken a cent from my parents since I graduated and i have set aside an investment account to help pay back dues or anything else they might need during retirement. I would have been a spoiled brat but luckily my parents had the sense to teach me right from wrong early on
Okay, I know how she behaves is bad, BUT this generation and every after can't afford to survive or live alone. I know living off the parentals forever isn't a solid plan, but sheesh.
If you ask me, she should have "grown up" after finishing college. I understand it's not easy getting a job considering it took me quite some time to get a job and I wasn't exactly being picky where I wanted to work. I applied to many until I did get a job myself, but with that said, her parents should have only paid for her rent at best 4 months, which should have given her enough time to get a job while having an internship.
I tried to get in to this show but all the characters are damn insufferable. It's a show for all of those people that were born on Mt Olympus and I am certainly not one of them.
nah the characters are meant to be insufferable. like they all suck. if you want look up the beach house fight scene because a character just talks about how awful they all are and its amazing
I think that was the whole point to the show, a bunch of young women trying to find themselves. It is basically like The Simpsons/South Park/Family Guy, meant to satirize the vibrancy and vice of NYC. Season 1 was quite good, but it devolved into something it could not escape from, so I stopped watching after Season 3, the plots and characters were going nowhere.
This is awesome, two years was too long anyway. Kids are supposed to be on their own. Why on earth would anyone want to shell out dough forever for some idiot kid? I understand the college but after that, no way. Start at a dead end job and work your way up, especially in America, now, other countries are different, but in first world countries, people really need to learn to sink or swim. I was out of my parent's house at 18 and retired at 46. You can do it too. Just work hard.
Less possible now considering the astronomical levels almost everything costs now, however. I'm assuming you are not 46 now but a little bit older. The cost of an apartment, insurance, and just basic goods has not kept up with the wages in this country and while productivity has grown substantially in the last 4 decades the compensation amount for regular employees has remained stagnant. federal minimum wage in the early 90s was 4.25 per hour. it's now 8.75. Now think about what prices for goods and services were in 1991 vs. 2022. It's impossible to live on but was at least good enough in the past that you could start there and work your way up without living in complete poverty level which dramatically lowers your quality of life and makes the daily struggles that we all endure that much harder. Not to mention those with student loans which are insane given how much the cost of college has ballooned in the last several decades. I didn't take loans and went into the workforce but I saw all my friends earned useless degrees right as the 2008 recession hit and they were all stuck taking low paying jobs that didn't require a degree while saddled with an additional 200 to 400$ a month loan payments. It's not the same world in the US as it was for the previous generations. Gen (wh)Y got pretty screwed unless as an individual you were able to capitalize on the dot com boom and learn to code but not all of us were able to pursue those skills without the appropriate tools being made available so now most 35 to 40 year olds are likely never going to be able to buy a house or have had to move in with their parents just to get by as manufacturing jobs were exported out of the country and wages didn't keep up with inflation. If you can work 40 hours a week doing any job it should be enough to pay for 1. a private place to sleep, make food, store your things and spend your time off in, even if it's small, 2 basic groceries and life necessities (food for healthy meals, toothpaste etc), 3. health insurance 4. transportation at least to and from work 5. some to put in savings for emergencies and retirement. If you can't produce the funds to cover these in 40 hours of labor each week then that job should be required to pay more. 8.75 is enough for a high school kid to get some extra spending money but as the US has become mostly a service industry in recent years due to the lack of job options more and more people are not finding opportunities for advancement especially if living in a small town and service positions often do not pay very much. This is coming from someone who has worked since I was 16 and since 22 was making better than average in my field... elevated to management level at 28 or so and didn't live above my means and even I had a nonstop struggle to keep myself afloat the last 15+ years. Almost always have had to have roommates, no big vacations. Home ownership is an unlikely dream, etc. That said, Hannah is incredibly selfish and spoiled. I love the first couple of seasons because I love shows about hapless fools navigation through life but I can't imagine how much easier it would have been to have had my parents pay for my life untill 24. At 18 I was on my own. I had help with college tuition for the 2 years I went but I paid for all of my living expenses, phone plan, everything. I moved into an apartment and left school at 19 and there was no further financial assistance for life and I didn't expect there to be. So to see this spoiled brat do everything in her playbook to try to keep her gravy train going was hilarious and a little bit endearing. I just wish Lena Dunham had been willing to explore the realistic depiction of making it in New York without money. The series is pretty unrealistic in how it goes about this and it's clear none of the people on the writing staff have had to actually survive with no help
The economy has changed, everything costs more and more, young people with jobs are moving in with their parents, because they can't afford their own place. Things are different than when you were 18, and it also depends on what kind of job. If you were able to retire at 46, you're very privileged.
Yeah. I agree with all this stuff. I do remember when I was in my 20s, things were super expensive from my perspective but I do feel privileged in a sense, luck is more like it. I do what I can to help others but I cannot buy shoes for the whole city's kids, I can only do so much. I make due with less in retirement but it is worth it.
"I am busy trying to become who I am." Priceless.😄
Thinking back about it, yes her character was entilted. But internships should be paid. Working for free should never be accepted. A lesser pay maybe because you are also here to learn, but a pay nonetheless to support yourself.
Internships are not paid for a reason.
@@HighStakesDanny Which is? The pay is already lower due to the fact there is in theory a teaching part and you have less experience. But there is still work done.
@@marine463 you said it yourself. im not paying you to learn how to do the job and the leave and go to another company
@@marine463 internships are not paid because the work done is not worth paying for
I think if you don't want to work for nothing then just do something else.
If you are useless then I don't think you should expect someone to pay you well. Funny how we are happy to pay a university but we expect someone to pay us for the privilege of teaching us how to be useful. You are not useful to them and you cost them money in the first 6 months.
How about this? Just negotiate the best deal you can and don't ban people from getting free experience.
She did a perfect job depicting an adult 2-year-old in this scene. The failed attempts at manipulation (which landed only on her dad) are hilarious.
his gay dad
I can see both sides here. On the one hand, it's entitled to expect that your parents will support you indefinitely while you figure out what you want in life. Two years after college is a pretty long time. She should at least be looking into other options and being on her own. On the other hand, they just tell her no more, instead of tapering off. It would have been kinder to give her a few months to find a paying job and more realistic lifestyle, move into a smaller place etc. She can't be expected to suddenly pay for everything, they know her job is an internship and when she asks for money, she'll instantly be fired. They taught her that she'll be taken care of, and then they cut her off without warning. Not the best parenting.
I agree but she was honestly nasty at the end too. Like I get you are mad at your parents for being so blunt but you are being a total b for not even taking the time to see them! I mean they did SUPPORT you for 2 years. No one does that.
My parents never supported me, I even paid most of college by myself with student loans, but I still think cutting her off suddenly like that wasn't fair. At least give her a heads up on how things are gonna be. Of course, if my rich parents supported me, maybe I could've afforded to live in NYC, that would've been cool lol
Up hill both ways right? Yeah.
Looking back on this scene now, which Hannah is obviously immature, it is also pretty irresponsible and rude to cut off your kid who lives in NYC with no income without any warning? They easily could have done this slowly so she had time to find a job or make arrangements, I don’t think her anger is entirely unjustified. But then there’s no show so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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This scene is iconic. God i watched this when i was 15 and i only thought girls was a stupid and funny tv show. Watching this in mid twenties the whole tv show feels brutally real. I disliked lena now i think she's a genius.
I thought the same when this came out, I was 20. Try watching it again when you're 30, it's a great show but you'll feel differently about her character lol.
Why, are you doing what Lena was doing, living of your parents efforts. Lena needed to use that Liberal Arts degree of hers to get something resembling a real job. NYC might be a vibrant Liberal city full of vice that many people like to gravitate to, but those people also need to produce something to maintain the extravagance. Most of them have to or they get chewed up.
She's a terrible person though.
@@OceanLover1188 You met her and she was terrible to you, right? If not, you have no grounds for your statement
i related to Hannah so much here. this has literally happened to me. i even said to my parents “you guys are so lucky im not a drug addict or part of a gang” like i was literally so spoiled and never realized it until my mid-20s. ugh 😩 i miss this show so much!
Ok but... does that make our parents lucky ot the other people parents unlucky?
I like many hated Hannah because she was so entitled! But that’s the point! Like a Carrie Bradshaw. The issue is that parents need to instill work ethics into their kids. My parents paid for my college but I had to work as a waitress making $2.13/hr every summer from 16 years old. And then I had to do extra curricular’s in high school. And then in college I had to graduate with a bachelor in science (I did engineering), with above a 3.5 GPA or I would haha to pay, and I had to have paying internships every summer even tho they would send me money. It sucked. But that was the contract. To have your kid just float along with no job for 2 years while paying 100% for them is asinine
@@Sarah-yy6hv I know. My paycheck was $0 after taxes. And I worked from 8am cutting and dicing even tho the restaurant didn’t open until 10:30am. I was just too young and didn’t know better. This was like in 2011 too. I was young and impressionable. Made like $1k the entire summer 💀 I was so stupid
@@Sarah-yy6hv it was but it did build grit and resilience. And I was fortunate enough that I didn’t have to worry about money for basic needs. So it worked out.
"Starting when?" The last gasp.
This scene is brutally relateable..
I was trying to explain this scene to my uncle. His daughter is going through this cause her daughter wants to live/work in NY. They want to cut her off. NY is not cheap place to intern. I thought I was going to really hate this show but I liked it. FIrst two seasons were good.
Okay I might have my focus different here…why live in NY… if your niece cannot afford it?
Yeah, NY. Hahaha. Move to another part of the country. Who wants 3k Rents anyway?
@@HighStakesDanny Idk I could look in indianapolis? Dude split a fucking apartment my friends live in manhattan all in for 1100-1400 what the actual fuck STOP RENTING THAT SHIT AND DITCH YOUR CAR
As somebody who was on their own while still in high school it blows my mind knowing so many Millennials and now Gen Z'ers have the luxury of parents supporting them financially years into adulthood. And that they feel entitled to it. So bizarre.
So it's okay for kids to feel entitled to their parents paying for everything and doing everything them?? When parents do their job their children venture out and have a desire for independence. This shit is abuse. Sadistic, narcissistic, irresponsible "parents" - it boggles my mind that anyone can't see the huge problem with that. You can't just do that to someone. They pretend like she's splurging and refusing to do anything. Basic necessities. They're purposely stopping her from being able to achieve independence. Preventing her from being able to grow up
The difference is the parents that allow that. My parents could have easily funded me, but they made me work for it. I did engineering and had to maintain a 3.5 GPA or else I was cut off. I had to work part time for $2.13/hr as a waitress. I had to get a paid internship every summer. Those wages would not have afforded me to pay for my schooling, so I am so lucky and grateful my parents helped me. But they instilled a hard work ethic and showing up. I can’t believe Hannah’s parents funded her for 2 years with no job and no school - what lesson does that teach?!?
And my point is similar to yours - it’s bizarre children feel entitled to their parents money. I haven’t taken a cent from my parents since I graduated and i have set aside an investment account to help pay back dues or anything else they might need during retirement. I would have been a spoiled brat but luckily my parents had the sense to teach me right from wrong early on
It definitely isn't something I can personally imagine. My parents stopped paying for shit the day I turned 18 lol.
It blows your mind that people have parents willing to help them?
Okay, I know how she behaves is bad, BUT this generation and every after can't afford to survive or live alone. I know living off the parentals forever isn't a solid plan, but sheesh.
What is she to do if her parents suddenly pass away for no reason?
Inheritance
What would any of these girls do if the parents stopped the support system, none of them seem to do any real work.
Its the vitch
groovy lifestyle lol
Pretty much, she lived in a bubble and didnt realize it
Time to grow up
Yes, that is the point of the show
Too bad she never does
If you ask me, she should have "grown up" after finishing college. I understand it's not easy getting a job considering it took me quite some time to get a job and I wasn't exactly being picky where I wanted to work. I applied to many until I did get a job myself, but with that said, her parents should have only paid for her rent at best 4 months, which should have given her enough time to get a job while having an internship.
I tried to get in to this show but all the characters are damn insufferable. It's a show for all of those people that were born on Mt Olympus and I am certainly not one of them.
nah the characters are meant to be insufferable. like they all suck. if you want look up the beach house fight scene because a character just talks about how awful they all are and its amazing
I think that was the whole point to the show, a bunch of young women trying to find themselves. It is basically like The Simpsons/South Park/Family Guy, meant to satirize the vibrancy and vice of NYC. Season 1 was quite good, but it devolved into something it could not escape from, so I stopped watching after Season 3, the plots and characters were going nowhere.
This is awesome, two years was too long anyway. Kids are supposed to be on their own. Why on earth would anyone want to shell out dough forever for some idiot kid? I understand the college but after that, no way. Start at a dead end job and work your way up, especially in America, now, other countries are different, but in first world countries, people really need to learn to sink or swim. I was out of my parent's house at 18 and retired at 46. You can do it too. Just work hard.
Less possible now considering the astronomical levels almost everything costs now, however. I'm assuming you are not 46 now but a little bit older. The cost of an apartment, insurance, and just basic goods has not kept up with the wages in this country and while productivity has grown substantially in the last 4 decades the compensation amount for regular employees has remained stagnant. federal minimum wage in the early 90s was 4.25 per hour. it's now 8.75. Now think about what prices for goods and services were in 1991 vs. 2022. It's impossible to live on but was at least good enough in the past that you could start there and work your way up without living in complete poverty level which dramatically lowers your quality of life and makes the daily struggles that we all endure that much harder. Not to mention those with student loans which are insane given how much the cost of college has ballooned in the last several decades. I didn't take loans and went into the workforce but I saw all my friends earned useless degrees right as the 2008 recession hit and they were all stuck taking low paying jobs that didn't require a degree while saddled with an additional 200 to 400$ a month loan payments. It's not the same world in the US as it was for the previous generations. Gen (wh)Y got pretty screwed unless as an individual you were able to capitalize on the dot com boom and learn to code but not all of us were able to pursue those skills without the appropriate tools being made available so now most 35 to 40 year olds are likely never going to be able to buy a house or have had to move in with their parents just to get by as manufacturing jobs were exported out of the country and wages didn't keep up with inflation. If you can work 40 hours a week doing any job it should be enough to pay for 1. a private place to sleep, make food, store your things and spend your time off in, even if it's small, 2 basic groceries and life necessities (food for healthy meals, toothpaste etc), 3. health insurance 4. transportation at least to and from work 5. some to put in savings for emergencies and retirement. If you can't produce the funds to cover these in 40 hours of labor each week then that job should be required to pay more. 8.75 is enough for a high school kid to get some extra spending money but as the US has become mostly a service industry in recent years due to the lack of job options more and more people are not finding opportunities for advancement especially if living in a small town and service positions often do not pay very much. This is coming from someone who has worked since I was 16 and since 22 was making better than average in my field... elevated to management level at 28 or so and didn't live above my means and even I had a nonstop struggle to keep myself afloat the last 15+ years. Almost always have had to have roommates, no big vacations. Home ownership is an unlikely dream, etc.
That said, Hannah is incredibly selfish and spoiled. I love the first couple of seasons because I love shows about hapless fools navigation through life but I can't imagine how much easier it would have been to have had my parents pay for my life untill 24. At 18 I was on my own. I had help with college tuition for the 2 years I went but I paid for all of my living expenses, phone plan, everything. I moved into an apartment and left school at 19 and there was no further financial assistance for life and I didn't expect there to be. So to see this spoiled brat do everything in her playbook to try to keep her gravy train going was hilarious and a little bit endearing. I just wish Lena Dunham had been willing to explore the realistic depiction of making it in New York without money. The series is pretty unrealistic in how it goes about this and it's clear none of the people on the writing staff have had to actually survive with no help
The economy has changed, everything costs more and more, young people with jobs are moving in with their parents, because they can't afford their own place. Things are different than when you were 18, and it also depends on what kind of job. If you were able to retire at 46, you're very privileged.
Yeah. I agree with all this stuff. I do remember when I was in my 20s, things were super expensive from my perspective but I do feel privileged in a sense, luck is more like it.
I do what I can to help others but I cannot buy shoes for the whole city's kids, I can only do so much. I make due with less in retirement but it is worth it.