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Some 27 years after the abolition of apartheid, there are still communities of white South Africans who refuse to mix with their black fellow citizens. It's the case in the town of Orania, where the only language spoken is Afrikaans, the tongue of the first Dutch settlers. In Orania's schools, students are taught an alternative version of history. Our colleagues from France 2 report, with FRANCE 24's James Vasina.
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They have Black only communties in South Africa too.
No they don't....they have no idea what a black community is. However, there are multiple Zulu, Tswana and Xhosa communities.
Duh It's AFRICA .. It's Majority black people. Now find me a black only community in Europe designed by Black people... I'll wait
Fred Focus Paris
kamvajnr dj mhluzi The difference is in black only towns any race can live there. You can’t live in Orania even if you are a rich, well known black person, with no criminal record. You can’t go there if you are Asian or mixed-race either. In a country which is supposed to be majority black. Never anywhere in Europe, would you ever get anything like this. That’s why, a lot of people have issues with it.
They are communities that were allocated to the blacks during the apartheid regime, and don't segregate nor chase anyone of any race, color, gender, unlike this video evidence provided.
Afrikaners: Please stop killing us.
Rest of the World: How DARE you?
Afrikaaneers : "we are bible believing Christians "
Bible : "every one shall go back to their own land and the Earth shall be at rest (peace).
It's time for you to go!
Run heathen ruuuun.
The Lord rebuke you!
@@MosesTesfai Jesus is my Savior. May God bless you.
@@MosesTesfai Dear Mr. Moses, I am an Afrikaner American. I do not live in South Africa. Most of us Afrikaners (and Americans) do not follow the Bible, do not obey Jesus, and are headed for Hell.
@@gospelfilms7942 with your lips you bless but your actions are contrary heathen. Therefore may the Lord rebuke you double for trying to deceive.
No theft, no murder, no intimidation..... Sounds like the place to be
So move there
“Until the Lion tells the story, the hunter will always be the hero.”
I’m sorry, but who exactly are you calling the lion?
This here are the facts!
Until The Story Of The Hunt Is Told By The Lion, The Tale Will Always Glorify The Hunter. Thats how it sau in Swahili
@@hannatesfayetamene890 The lion can be anyone or anything
The hunter is n, and ly
Ion wh
If they don’t want to mix who cares. A lot of the black community stays to itself.
Removing historical figures from textbooks is an issue though, it shows how deeply insecure they are. Revisionist history needs to stop
@@TheFamousMockingbird Exactly. I also believe that they want to play the victims and that is why they removed Mandela. Plus if you don't teach history it can repeat itself and who knows.. Maybe that is what they want.
TheFamousMockingbird I DO AGREE THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE IN DEED INSECURE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR
If the whites of Africa are murdered nobody says anything, if they kill blacks in eeeuu it is published in all the news and international organizations, Hypocrites.
@jon cullen the white genocide myth is a tired lie being pushed out by white supremacists deflecting from their own races history of genocide against non white people. Tell me the statistics of black on white killings since the end of apartheid. There is a huge security issue in SA totally mishandled by the ANC but using the word genocide in this way is disingenuous and makes a mockery of the term. By the way I used to live in London and I used to go to Brixton. In recent years it's been taking over by white hipsters. Now that is what I call gentrification :-)
Uhm.... this is stupid. The "tongue of the first dutch settlers" was.... dutch.
Try telling them that.
They really think the original people are the problem. They did that to the Australian aborigines and native Americans and they still see nothing wrong.
Yes some were Dutch Portugese Spanish and other part of Europe
And Boers were not solely of Dutch decent.
Languages change genius
I've actually been through here as a black South African and the black people there say they feel safer than they do in the city and everyone was friendly to me at least. Also we have loads of black only communities much bigger than this. I'm not sure if others had bad experiences here but I felt extremely safe and my business was welcomed while passing through so personally I can't say anything bad about it
I am American. I always wanted to learn more about South Africa. Fancinating country, but unfortunately I do not understand it much. Why are there black only communities?
@@ryanmiller3126 It's mostly the townships where you have big settlements of black people. Sometimes you find a white or Asian person here or there but it's mostly black however going there as a non black person isn't bad in some places although you'd have to be careful because of the crime. The sad thing is South Africa as a whole is failing. I'm lucky and I'm doing well as a black person but for all races there is a lot of struggle. The government steals a crazy amount of money constantly and no one is held accountable. Crime is extreme and affects blacks Whites Asians it doesn't matter. Basically you have a tiny portion of the population that's doing really well white and black and majority are struggling to get by. In the area I live in there are loads of homeless people of all races and things don't seem to be improving. I truly believe that unless the government changes south Africa will get worse and worse. Many times the people that argue against this are the ones that are doing well and are unaware of the suffering of everyone around them. It's actually really sad because apartheid is over I have many friends of different races that are as close as family for me but it's horrible living in a society where crime is rampant and you have to worry about your loved ones. South Africa should be the wakanda of the world by now but other African countries have learned from their past mistakes and are rising while we fall further and further behind. There are still loads of wonderful places and it's a beautiful country but it's sad to see area after area become horrible and there's areas here that used to be safe where no one wants to go regardless of race so I hope people start seeing that and start turning things around. To be real I feel that if America loses the 2nd amendment it won't be long before things start going the same way because here criminals can get guns extremely easily but getting a gun legally as a citizen is difficult unless you pay someone off. Towns like this in the video actually end up safer than most other towns and in the bigger cities we rely far more on private security than we do police but luckily a lot of the old police the Afrikaans guys have started security companies and when you're affected by crime even as a black person those are the people you want helping you. If you're ever planning to visit South Africa I'd suggest going to Cape Town and the western cape, technically it's listed as more dangerous but that's because of the crime that takes place far away from the main hub of Cape Town so in general its much safer and is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
@@memecusmaximus4880 thank you for your well explained information. It seems that the situation you are explaining is similar to many other places in the world: it’s not really the people that are the problem, it’s the fact that government is wasteful and corrupt (whether overtly or otherwise) and money rules all. Those outside the rule of law (criminals, politicians, big business) get to live fat and happy, while nearly everyone else struggles to some degree. Some struggle massively
And as far as this report/video, it is made for Western audiences, so of course they play up the racism angle to try to constantly divide the people. Our true source of power is together. As long as the powers that be can keep us fighting each other instead of them, all the better in their eyes
@@ryanmiller3126 apartheid
@@memecusmaximus4880 it’s the same thing here in America
As a Black man, I respect their decision to live alone. They should also leave us alone.
Your a sad person. Look forward not backwards.
They need to get tf out of Africa
Yeah n they must stop cheating our black people 😑
cool bro
Yes, blacks should stay in Africa except......that most of you want to come to the white countries.
For a town of 2000 people, it sure has a lengthy and detailed Wikipedia entry.
Wikipedia is not to be trusted
@@rip2025 I'm just noting the size of the entry.
@Jon michael Maybe you want to create your own all-white town. You can do that, start a petition and hand it out to white people across America.
@@LukaDonesnitch America has plenty of all-white towns, and many of them are places the average white person wouldn't want to live.
@@Murchad99 well according to these white guys on TH-cam they seem to believe they can’t have all white towns for some reason. That affirmative action or blacks are holding them back from achieving their all white haven. Apparently somebody made it illegal because that’s all they complain about on YT day in and day out.
If they wanna live alone let them seems like they not bothering anyone.
Balla 1527 if they do the same things in a place like US, UK, italy, etc they start playing victim card and cry for racism.....black life matter, etc....they even burn shop, protesting in the street, etc
Thato P truth hurt??
I think the concern is in so much whether they live alone or not. It's that places like these will go to means like physical intimidation/blocking people who are different. For example a black guy with money and equal opportunity to buy land isnt allowed in by no virtue other than, we dont want him here... Its tribalism and it has no place in a free society.
Tell them to get tf out of our continent.
@Dwayne Neal they’re not, only the Khoisan are. Then came the Dutch and after that the Bantu. I really hope the Dutch and Bantu give back the land to the Khoisan
As a black South African, I've slept over at a motel in this place. The hospitality and service I received(and overall experience) was amazing! These Afrikaners treated me with absolute respect and the service was impeccable. My brother and parents(who came with me) also admitted that they feel safer in the area, we accidentally left our car unlocked outside with the windows rolled down to keep it cool. Nobody touched our car during the night. If this was PTA or JHB, the car would've been stolen. I don't know what these guys are saying, but they are talking k*k. I wish the current SA government could be as competent as those leading Orania. Thanks Afrikaners, once again leading by example again.
I like that
You still better watch 'em. I bet they were nicey, nicely at first to every country they stole America from them.
I don't believe a word you wrote.
@@mwbright yeah, I mean the username as well tells a lot.
Lair you aren't Black at all. You're looking for excuses to praise Afrikaaners 😏
"Nelson Mandela is not in their books because he isn't part of their history"
LOL
Crazy right?!
@@michaeldiggs3009 why not celebrating a man that did kill your kids
and is representing the dismantling of the nation your ancestors did create
@@Illtechnica to be used as a tool against men that did create and are maintaining the nation is not contributions
it is the opposite of it
be it in SA ,USA or Sweden ,France ....
@@curocurovic6675 the power wasn't very used in some areas, was it?
@@curocurovic6675 you are ill informed
As a South African myself, I had no idea that this place existed
wow.
@Hopper33 nah South Africa should send them back, integrate or leave. Imagine if everyone started living after their ethnicity or history and language?
@Hopper33 the whole continent is stuck i the past..
@@kml7259 South Africa has failed to integrate and has become a country run by Black communists who seek revenge, not equality. Living seperately away from being persecuted and discriminated against for being white is the best they can do under the circumstances.
wow
I’m pretty sure the first Dutch settlers spoke Dutch, but I’m no expert.
Of course the Dutch spoke Dutch. Afrikaans is a dialect which has developed over a few hundred years.
@@calvinpurdy2668 i'm still yet to meet an Afrikaner South African that is willing to admit that their true origin is Dutch... somehow they all believe that they originated here in africa 😮
@@mpumentshangase4257 They might well have been born in Africa, as was I, but their ancestors most likely came from the Netherlands. My ancestors are from Germany and America.
The whole segment was revisionist history. Some people’s commitment to delusion is uncanny
@Silungisele Mthimkhu i find it: soet soos stroop (sweet like sugar) baba
I am black South African I love both whites and blacks we should love one another.
People have a right to associate with whom ever they want to associate with.. as a black person i can respect that
Udakiwe wena.
THIS!!! Thank you buddy. People demonize one group for maintaining their identity and it's not normal.
But excluding others is something else.
@@yoliswambebe619 Access to our countries is not your "human right".
@@funjunk2835 what country?
0:17 Fact check. Afrikaans was not the tongue of the first Dutch settlers. Dutch was.
@ I was simply stating a historic fact. I like accurate history. Afrikaans is not 100% Dutch, and Dutch is most certainly not Afrikaans. They made a mistake. As an Afrikaner, I find their ignorance offensive.
If I said that when the Pilgrims came to America, they spoke modern American English, everyone would think I'm stupid. If I protested and said, "Well, modern American English comes from the British English of a few hundred years ago," I would not have corrected my initial error. It just shows how little effort they put into this.
Gospel Films as a Dutchman I find I can understand Afrikaans always except when it’s very formal
@@lithiumvids9448 Even words like piesang and baie? Yes; you can understand much Afrikaans. My point was just that the video made a factual mistake by saying that the first Dutch settlers spoke Afrikaans, as it was only developed later.
I can see that Afrikaans could have been classified as a Dutch dialect. A very dumbed down version of Dutch. But there are different definitions of what is classified as a language or just a dialect. The old saying goes, "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy." Afrikaans had both and now has neither.
Om eerlik te wees, my volk is te lui om ons taal reg te praat. Hulle meng baie Engelse woorde in. Plus baie vuil vloekwoorde. Hulle kannie die woorde reg spel nie al word byna alles geskryf presies soos dit klink. Die eindresultaat is 'n afgewaterde gemors. Wat moet mens met so volk maak? Net die Here sal weet.
Gospel Films Afrikaans ziet er.......interessant uit ja, en het is volgens mij ook een dialect, want plat Limburgs is ook geen taal terwijl normale Nederlanders dat helemaal niet kunnen verstaan.
Gospel Films and we also have piesang
"They want to live alone but we want to live with them". The eternal history of Europe and europeans.
Except in south africa?
@@palebluedot7435 No, also in SA. We are those who cannot breathe because they don´t leave us alone for a single second.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720
Lol I think you missed the point
Reread your comment and consider mine
You cant complain about being left alone when your living in the hunting grounds of another people
Dutch migrated there and want to be " left alone" after taking land more then once btw once from San
Then again from bantu in the 18-1900s
Alejandro soto martin are you guys still alive?
pale blue dot maybe the bantu shouldve had a more strict immigration policy. Take a tip from Steve Biko dude. For real. Study Steve Biko, Malcom X, and Marcus Garvey. Not all Civil Rights leaders agreed with WEB Du Bois and MLK jr. Check out Booker T Washington as well. There is an entire different side to Integration, called Separation. It is different than Segregation
Leave these people alone, their way of living do not harm anyone.
Will it Not in long Run too ?
They're nostalgic for their country back. A safe country, worthy of raising their children in.
Colonizers
@@lemonaids5689 Yeah, they brought civilization. Cry harder will you? I can't yet sail my boat on your tears..
@@jackwoods535 true i'm a Zulu from KZN and i don't see a problem with it and claiming land is ridiculous politiceans want to get money by selling that land 😂🤦♂ really dumb and yeah we have some white people in our community.
@Ibo Zambotnik They built Rhodesia and it was a safe and wonderful place while they ruled..
@Ibo Zambotnik Lol. Says the people who necklaced each other with burning tires and now have a lower standard of living then when the Boers ruled.
Come back to Netherlands guys 🇳🇱
And to Britain as well.
Bye felica 😂😂😂
@@tthkkkkk How did a pig get here ?
They dont have Visas or the money.
They can't or they will be killed or locked up.
Its a safe space for a minority...... just not the right minority, isn't it?
@Jig Saw
Haha
I will memorize that for my next libtard conversation.
True dat
@@xwind1970 so you are promoting white supremacy?
@@TheZombie001 you need to check your thoughts and beliefs my guy. you are suggesting something that fits into your narrative, to me it seems like you read a totally different comment
@@philip9528 what do you reckon the first post meant Phil ?
That's what they are trying to do here in the US Black privilege is running rampant
Oh, for sure. Every they yhe police shoot them less and less. Those rampant people
Danny don't talk rubbish
How did you ever come up with that one ? Especially, with all of the inequality that America stands for.. You have apparently misspoke. But, I will gladly accommodate in enlightening your indubious ignorance. "It is the aire of White Supremacy, that is running, how it has always been ran." What, if I may ask, is dominated and is running rampant, by the Black Community, other than crime ? We , against our own will, built the foundation, from which others merely profited. And what you witness today, here in America, is only a continuum of a process that was instigated, long before you or I came into existence. We, like everyone else, are only part of an evolutionary dynamic. Part of a trajectory of misfortune for some and most certainly, a benefit for others. If you look deep into your history and you are with a moral compass, you should be ashamed. On the other hand, if that is not the sentiment felt, "GOD have mercy, on your soul."
I don't support the racism but Orania is an inspiration to all communities in South Africa. It is clear that the ANC has failed to run the country, instead of looking for false hope, communities in South Africa should focus on being self sufficient independent from government.. communities should run their own schools, hospitals and start their own businesses to create jobs... it's a step for reviving the country.. thank you Orania... your economic model is the only way to save South Africa from the ANC
Thank you. One of the few who ranks as sane and quite honest.
@@norapeters7973 The land was forcefuly taken from South Africans and it must be given back without compensation.
Racism is when you hate someone with another skin color. They never said they hated black peoples (matter of fact in the comments black peoples said they were treated nicely there), they just want to live together, people sharing the same values and cultures.
Orania is only soo rich because of its “racism”
The people create the nation and when you have a town of ethnic Dutch Afrikaaners then the town will have similar crime rates to Netherlands and Europe.
What "racism" are you talking about?
They choose to live alone And no one knows they exist So what's the problem? 🤷🤷🤷 3:14
@Jack Stucki true
Imagine living in a country with South Africa’s history of racism and apartheid but choosing to avoid teaching that part of history to create your own narrative..These are delusions of ppl trying to cling on to racist & outdated practices
@Communism Is Judaism the wealth distribution is shocking if you see the stats, inequality is way too big of course they will hate the top chain which is white people there.
If you think from the south african perspective its understandable but i dont know which one is right or wrong
@Communism Is Judaism and remember colonialism
@@imanafdar are you suggesting that Afrikaaner be expelled from South Africa?
avoid blacks by living in africa??? you're in the right continent lmao
92% Africans...
@armagedon026 Jesus, you have a dirty mind or you have crossed the line of being paranoid.
@armagedon026 Yes, if you work out the deal as the Dutch did. However, if you go back on it, keep the land but the house is not yours either.
Right!!! How slow can people be
@@Facts-Over-Feelings Yes, and let South Africa go back to the third World countries list
Hopefully their choice to move into this town has nothing to do with safety reasons. No matter how South Africa handles the situation, violence against anyone based on race should absolutely not be tolerated.
Every action has an opposite and proportional reaction. You sow violence, you don't reap peace.
When apatheid was raging and south Africans were massacred, where were you? Now you are saying no one should incite violence against the whites. Is the land for them? KILL THE BOER AND CLEAR SOUTH AFRICA OF IMPERIALISTS
Shut up. You literally make me sick.
@@mountzion2495 the numbers would make you ashamed ,if you did have that ability
@@emmaatieno7057
you should educate yourself about the history of west african populations in that region
They are the minority in a country built by their ancestors. Why shouldn't they want to have their own settlement
Because they are colonizers
Holy shit, I'm South African and I have not even heard of this place.
cuz its a shit hole
@@eddycarpenter8989 - Coz it’s thriving. While ANC territory is disintergrating. Theft and corruption everywhere. Racism between Bantoes, San, Koi and Zulus. Discrimination against African foreigners leading up to blatant racist murders.
This ‘European culture’ place is blossoming. ANC controlled media are not going to cover this. It might wake the black south African up. I am Dutch and have known about this place for decennia. Betsie Verwoerd lived here and was one of the establishers.
ANC does not want you to know. It’s a succes story.
@@eddycarpenter8989 Oh have you been there?
@@RivaZA1 no but i smell the people through my computer screen
They choose to live alone and I personally feel that they must just be left alone. Quite frankly they don’t bother anyone. I grew up in a post apartheid SA in a predominantly white neighbourhood and I moved out as soon as I found a job to a black township. I feel more comfortable being with people of my own race, and so should white people feel comfortable for wanting to be alone🤷🏽♂️ at least no one dies in the process. It’s all about preference at the end of the day coz honestly the rainbow nation facade DOES NOT WORK 🤞🏼🚮
Thank you brother
We aren't allowed to do that...LOL
Most honest and inspired comment.
Props to you bro💪 This is probably the best way to explain why our cultures don’t mix very well, without blaming either side or bringing up any form of discrimination or hate. I was also raised in a post apartheid SA, and i think that SA as a whole has more pressing issues than trying to hate on a small town that has a collective mindset.
Well said..
I see no issue with their decision to be alone...just let them be
@Ibo Zambotnik and west africans do not?
@Ibo Zambotnik
west africans came to that region 1000 years ago and after ending the natives they created infrastructure to sell own folks
european men did take zimbabwe 1000 years ago and in less than 100 years they created the breadbasket of africa
if you did know history you would know such things
@Ibo Zambotnik
son ,west africans have been made 13 000 years ago
more than 2 000 years ago they did take what s today uganda
in that 2 000 years the only thing they did develop was trade...they did trade girls from congo to arabs
buganda was one of the last territories to be colonised from europeans
the economy did not change in that 2 000 years
and they are even today angry that english people did force them to work the land
is all respect for asselar man and his descendants
you are not more native in that region than you are in france
and for who was better to the land ,descendants of asselar man or europeans a small observation of all of the european countries(including France) that you are "enriching " in the same way you did "enrich "SA should be enough to see that
Mugabe was an African champion
It is not about not letting the past go. It is living in a place where things work. We need more enclaves like this. The government worries about these people doing something for themselves, instead of looking at the country falling apart under their leadership. The mentality of i want what you have, I do not want to do it myself.
Go back to Europe...
Go back to Europe if you want a place that work
The "I want what you have mentality" summarizes some decades of your History and explains why you and your parents settled in the land you are living.
Looks like The Most High wont let the PAST GO....for there is MUCH WRATH yet to bestow upon the heathen of all nations....BOOK OF OBADIAH.
@@ChessNoobX Should we say to immigrants go back to africa??
If you’re a minority then that’s best thing you can do: sticking together
They are on stolen African land and yes because of this they should
@@kushtaseti4336 The largest black ethnic groups arrived in South Africa after the Boers did
@@samc2450 who are they ?
You meant to say:...."if you are a colonizer, you stick together. ..."
Same as ameriKKKa
@@samc2450 do you even know the history?
Teach those kids the truth, don’t dilute what really happened.
As soon as the state school system stops leaving out the fact that Bantus only arrived in South Africa 100 years before the Dutch did from history text books. Also the fact that the Bantus almost completely wiped out the Khoisan (the native South Africans).
Most difinetly. Google on you tube where Julius Malema EFF leader admits that black people are not native to South Africa.
@@aaronconlon3880 Typical "European" version of the truth.
@@khemistrycreators4845 You mean the truth that black South Africans don't like being brought up? Are you going to deny that the Khoisan exist and their people were almost driven to extinction by the Bantu invasions?
@@aaronconlon3880 The Khoisan are my people (BOTH Indigenous AFRICANS) It was European settlers (COLONIALISM) that nearly drove them to extinction, fact.
Nostalgic for apartheid? I doubt it very much, they just want to be left alone, stop inciting hate.
Give the Boer people their own country within South Africa and I can guarantee that in 50 years it will be nr1 in whole Africa
This was literally what South Africa under apartheid was. Same with Rhodesia. First world countries in Africa, unheard of right? (((Someone))) didn't like that. Not. One. Bit.
I don't see where the problem is, I'm black and I don't blame them South Africa has become a shit hole because corruption and crime
Irony is "Afrikaner" is literally African... I just don't understand why people who despise African Natives would name their whole culture and community after the thing they despise.
@@TheDaeroner No, not every Afrikaner despises black Africans. It's a minority. Sure , you find racism, but that's something in all communities. By the way, the Dutch, and other language groups as well, married black and slave women here at the Cape. So most white people here have black African in their ancestry as well. Some will deny this, but many not.
Thanks for saying that. I’ve heard that from many South Africans including people that have left Because of the crime. What a shame.
South Africa was better off under apartheid ?!
Your ignorance is embarrassing. Delete this nonsense.
@@TheDaeroner the dutch afrikaners are native to south africa. The mass waves of blacks came 200 years later around 1900
never said they wanted apatheid back nor was they nostalgic of it, that's maked up. but I guess that's how journalists works.
It’s disgusting
Dude, they have literal statues of all the apartheid leaders.
You probably forgot the part where they refuse to allow black people to live there. You know, literally the first 15 seconds of the video.
@@CityWhisperer when you use google "The town residents state that anyone who defines themselves as an Afrikaner, and identifies with Afrikaner ethnicity/culture/language is welcome to live in Orania" Whats wrong with a place to preserve your culture ?
@@ivanalekseevich5574 so because it’s on their google page that means it’s real ??
Zero crime. No wonder they want to keep things separate
Good for them for preserving their culture.
In Africa?
They should preserve their culture in Europe. Europe needs them. The invasion, remember?
Better solution. They can always leave.
The first Dutch settlers spoke Dutch. Afrikaans developed after
Makes sense
@@ruairijoseph Afrikaans is actually slang and many languages mixed together. Referred to sometimes as kitchen Dutch. Probably the best expressive language of all time.
If only the Afrikaaner settlers preserved Dutch...
@@TheSilmarallion Afrikaans is considered a slave language, as the slaves with the masters created a language that mixed with others. This created Afrikaans. Many of them don’t even know this about their history. Thank god I’m English.
@@carltomacruz9138 😂
Just look at all the anti white racial slurs in the comments section, no wonder these people seperate themselves.
Craig non human anti black comments are far more common in videos involving South Africa, this is an exception
Seperate yourselves by moving out. Don't come into another man's house and carve out a seperate section for yourselves. U have no right to do that.
Where?
Ram Pokker literally look up any video on South Africa
Get out.
I'm amazed that these Afrikaans are surviving despite so many obstacles. They seem like hard working people.
They own most of the lands.
@@gobimurugesan2411
a lie ---yet you keep repeating it
your population in SA did grow from 3 millions to 50 in under european rule
most of the most fertile land is in your hands and in the hands of your government ,the problem is you want white land ,only to destroy it
@@curocurovic6675 last time I checked 70% of the land is still owned by whites. And they are not even 10% of the population.
@@gobimurugesan2411
" last time I checked "
you didn't do anything ,you did think and say what is being told to you
they own 23.6% of rural land and 11.4% of land in towns and cities
majority of land is owned by the state but in that land (that is in many cases more fertile ) there is nothing to loot and there is nothing to take from european men that created the nation west africans are dismantling
@@gobimurugesan2411 and btw because that people did feed you your population did grow from 3 millions to 50 and you want now ,based on that their property
what we see in SA will repeat itself until people learn some things
It may not be racist, they probably feel comfortable living amongst themselves. They are not violent.
Once again, foreign media as always tells half a story
What is the other half ?
What is the other half?
The persecution they face of course
@@stoneman289 they’re a bunch of racists you sad weirdos
They only tell the white people side of the story “boo boo they intimidate us 😭”
My parents lived in Orania. I've been there several times. This news report is so slanted. I can tell you from first hand experience that the people in Orania are very devout Christians and any insinuation that black people are anything less-than is blasphemous. They simply want to preserve their culture and be left alone. You can live there if you prove that you are an Afrikaaner. I met a German man who lived there - he taught himself Afrikaans at age 50 and embraced the culture - he was reviewed and allowed to live there. It's incredible how they've turned semi-desert area that gets into the high 40s into a functional, clean town.
Do u believe faith alone saves?
Christianity that thought u it's ok to discriminate people based on their skin color
Nah I will pass that fairy tale
Christians that fly the old South African flag and sing de sterm.
Wait i thought Christians were welcoming and believed in the spreading of the word to all nations and races? Or do these particular Christians believe in spreading the word to only white people?
That isn't Christianity, just white supremacist robbery.
And its also the only town in SA without crime. Ironic? 😄
What is wrong with it. They are peaceful and not part of the violent gangster South Africa.
If they wanna be alone, so be it! I can’t be bothered 😕
Maybe but barring other peoples freedom of movement is immoral
Especially based on unchanging characteristics
Alone, where?
Alone, it's not the apartheid age. If people wanna move there who happen to be black they should be allowed.
You’ll come up with valid points 💯 especially the part where they won’t allow black people to enter, but also they still exercising their right not to let other people enter their city. in this case I would say their city is ‘their property’ and they are entitled to decide who enters and who doesn’t. Yes it is a very strange exercise but in my opinion it doesn’t interfere with lives of other South Africans. It is a debatable issue given the history of SA!
I Wonder what would happen if Chinese immigrants start moving to Australia and start telling the native Australians that they don’t want them in there communities and just want to live alone? pretty sure that would’t go well.
This is more peaceful than the riot. I don't blame them.
This is racism, colonization, their ancestors took African land by force what a shame
I don't blame both white and black people because the system makes us do bad things
@@mehmetkoyuncuoglu1624 system is racist
@@yonniiisan The system is a racist and it also serves the rich people 🙄
@@yonniiisan
well what a SHAME that your ancestors was weak.. just the rule of nature doing it’s work.
My country was colonized and ruled for 300 years by Spaniards, but I am grateful they did because they bought to us development and culture, I couldn’t pretend to care for people I don’t even know that the Spaniards killed/oppressed just because they were my ancestral people.
yet you don’t see us b*tching about it because we aren’t crybabies and victim olympians, we have actual life problems unlike the whiny privileged west and some of the salty victim olympians in Africa who couldn’t move past what the white people did to their ancestors even after hundreds of years, we have self identity(unlike others that insists being black is their most important possession/trait) we just keep moving forward and be better, there is no use, point or justification delving in your weakling ancestor’s failures when things happened by nature’s law, such is the way the world have always worked and would always work till the end of times, maybe it’s not them feeling superior to you but it is you who feel inferior to them?
full white town. Organized. No crime. No killings. Normal schools.
You people tried to genocide black people. You white "Africans" are inherently criminal.
@@dsaasd-bc3bg no genocide happened
@@dsaasd-bc3bg Funny how you outnumber Whites 15:1- same ratio throughout last 350 years - no genocide happened. Now pull out the stats of White murder victims by Bl-a-cks and do the comparison.
A safe, flourishing and economically vibrant small town that incourages free enterprise. That is what a free people seek. Equality is most important and vital, equity of outcome is a farce.
Free...what is free here
mr man you will never be safe on African soil and property cos it doesn't belong to your ancestors...So go back to netherland where you can finally be safe..
Calling you an imbecile is an euphemism
@@abdallahyunus7538 Gibs?
At no point did they demonstrate that the people were nostalgic about apartheid. Disgraceful journalism
Did the statues of Apartheid leaders, currency, and the alternative school curriculum not clue you in?
3:04 listen
Yes they are, they dont recognize mandela….
@@louiemangahis just because they don't recognize him, doesn't mean they are nostalgic about apartheid. Many Afrikaans people are distasteful about the air around his name. He was a literal terrorist that killed several innocent children. Older groups of South Africans despise the way his past is wiped away and how he is praised for things he had little to do with. Even though the abolishment of apartheid was well overdue and a massive change, he was only the posterchild because of his backstory. Read up about the Church street bombing if you are curious as to why he was imprisoned in the first place.
@@lohanventer4400 so Mandela was supposed to sit back and wait for apartheid to end by itself. That's what happens when you oppress people they fight back and you can't set the rules for war, besides the apartheid government killed a lot of black school children way way more than what you are talking about. They are racist just admit the obvious
Couldn't care less. If they wanna live on their own 🤷♂️ and be self sufficient then do it.
Yeah, I mean their not hurting anybody.
Forcing unwilling integration isn't really any different then forcing unwilling segregation.
As long as there isn't any laws on the cities books banning people for their race I see zero issue here.
As long as they're not hurting anyone that's fine by me... But if they're being rude to Africans then Africans are not going to take that as well as you think
@@yunarukami7943
Funny you should say that, because the rudeness is directed at them, the threats as well
@@stoneomountain2390 both sides are in the wrong... Don't be biased
@@yunarukami7943
As long as people can publicly call for the death of my genetic minority, I'll be biased against them.
As long as I'm considered an unemployable I'll be biased.
As long as charity is Denied to my minority group by law I'll be biased.
My family worked and died here for 300 years, a few were even slaves, yet I'm told to go back to Europe??
I'm not biased, I'm bitter.
Look at South african crime stats pre and post 1994, thank you.
So mixing worked so well for you in France.
2:28 caught playing minecraft
Dirty Bong Water what?
Australian Man don’t tell me you don’t know what minecraft is 🤦🏻♂️
Master Yoda I know what minecraft is, I just don’t understand because I can’t see anyone playing minecraft
Australian Man oh, the boy in the back I think
Master Yoda ahhh, I think I see it now
I'm coloured and I don't see what's wrong with white people choosing to live isolated. This is a free Country. Even they have freedom of choice. Respect their right to live away from blacks. WELL DONE ...
I agree, but they have no official racial policy in Orania. Maybe they are all secretly racist, but I am white and both my parents are Afrikaans but would not be eligible to live in Orania because I'm not an Afrikaner Calvanist. Freedom of association is very important because if nobody wants to associate with a person or group, that person or group is clearly the problem. If the state forcing people to associate actually enables bad behavior because they are preventing the social consequences of people's actions.
South Africas growth and blessings will thrive on integration of all the races.
why don’t they go back to where they came from if they hate living with us so much? like why is that never an option
@@dimabaranova1213 it’s a free country idiot.There a plenty of African only communities in Europe.We don’t say ‘go back to Africa’.
@@nick2aim431 there reason there is only african free communities in Europe because most Europeans cant integrate with different colours and races unless for sport or work reasons. South Africa is a land where you have to integrate and respect ever race or leave.
Great place an island of civilisation and peace in a country of violent crime and corruption
🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 "civilisation "
It is also the safest town in the world
They want to live crime free and in peace with their neighbors. What the hell is wrong with it....
go away racist white boy
Tienie ignore these idiots, people of every race has the right to live with their own kind
Nothing.
Nothing is wrong with it
@@pialachman5358 Says the racist!
then they should go live in peace in Europe where they belong. there they can live among their own how about that?
looks clean,safe and peaceful
Believe me it is very peaceful there and on top of it absolutely no crime since the towns existence.
Certainly unlike the rest of the country
@@lawsonhellu4718 There are many peaceful middle class places in South Africa. Not to mention small towns usually have low crime.
They didn't show the shanty houses many new settlers of the town live in.
@@zabadackakaHansCoche Except for the many shoddy houses that are there.
How can you support Israel, but be against a small white only community?
Some time ago my wife and I visited Orania to discuss strawbale house construction with an architect resident there. Although we speak English we were welcomed with open arms and found it to be, safe, crime free and above all meticulously maintained and litter free. The people we spoke to just got on with what they were doing and were hard working and enterprising. If I raised the subject of politics, the conversation was tactfully steered away from the subject. White people are now the victims of a new apartheid in SA. It is called Black Economic Empowerment and Transformation and targets whites. Curiously, it has resulted in poor economic growth and soaring unemployment among black people- in short the exact opposite of what it is intended to achieve. Good on the people of Orania.
You're lying and you're an undercover racist. Have shame
Nope. It was a CODESSA negotiated settlements. And you can't say it targets whites because white own the economy of South Africa, in all forms you can think of. And this is because they were empowered. As a black person I'm not benefitting from all those things, majority we get our way through our experience and credentials. What you are talking about is only those who carry membership cards of the ruling party. The ruling party which is in place to protect capital interest. First negotiations for this country was between Anc elites and business elites. They made deals before the main negotiations. But we shouldn't call out black economic empowerment, which was largely driven by capital, as if there wasn't English Empowerment and later followed by Afrikaner Empowerment when they took one. Thinking was right everybody deserved to be empowered. English oppressed both blacks and Afrikaners put them in concentration camps. Later Afrikaner oppressed the blacks. After oppression every society comes our poor, disempowered and uneducated. It's a pity the BEE one is a scam. Made a few billionaires, somehow close to Anc and left out everybody else.
No that's not the problem; Its South Africa's confusing trade policy that I would think the post-apartheid government didn't touch and its hard to Invest in South Africa because of opaque regulations, not poor infrastructure. I wouldn't be surprised if the top brass of the govt. are getting filthy rich off Investing regulation free.
Yea they want your business but don't want certain people living there too!
So you guys were accepted because you were white? Because I thought you had to be Afrikaner to be accepted there😂real racist of them but nothing new..BEE doesn't only target white people it targets the minority. In reality Coloureds and Indians aren't really considered Black in this country.
Kind of confused about the point they were trying to make with comparing the national daily murder-rate with a couple of people moving to a small town.
Years back we could leave our car keys in the ignition and go to the shop no problem. Today, people are murdered for cellphones. That is why
@@janstrydom5565 People keep saying that but it isn't true, unless you are speaking specifically of south africa
I am, find some material on the looting that happened here in Kwazulu Natal a while back.
I can vouch for what he says too
@@bjorlam8201 lol you can't just say people always say this but it's not true. When it's literally true. 🤣
Let them live in peace
As a white south African, I don't want to live with them. No way.
@@roybean7166 them being whom?
they can do so in their native land.
@@Dog.soldier1950 not in the town of Orania. No way. Not in Hendrik Verwoerd children and grandchildren town.
@@eugenemoyo2765 well, whatever you or I think of them, and I think they are verkrampt, Verwoerdian, it is also their land. They were born here. And there only 1500 of them, after 25 yrs. ! Let them live there. I would not want to live there.
Why not move back to their home country Holland? Literally a Win-Win situation!!
because holland is following the "new left" and the dream of Horkheimer
@@curocurovic6675
Holland police open fired on their own civilians protesting covid restrictions, killing some of them, not too long ago
Home country? What, 400 years ago? That's older than America's history...should all Americans go back to where their ancestors were 400 years ago?
@@asAbsolute
I agree
“No mention of Nelson Mendela in the school’s curriculum” says a whole lot about exactly what the children are being taught.
You mean, the Nelson Mandela who was part of a terrorist organization that killed both whites and blacks, or the Nelson Mandela on t-shirts in America?
Are you from SA? Do you know what is taught in our SA schools?
@@tanianel1701 Nelson Mendela ending apartheid? Yeah I expect it to.
My question is: why they have to mix with other race?
They dont have to but they shouldnt avoid it on basis of race
For example if you think whites should be able to kick them out of thier towns do you then agree blacks should be able to kick them out of thier country
@Elvis Ameb i was asking a question of thr original post
And yes we are trying to intagrate those areas
Ironically this benifites both races. Whites from mixed schools tend to be beter free thinkers as well
@Elvis Ameb its not quite forcing
Its promoting. Forcing only happens when there is a severe imbalence do to a societal standard
Ie if indians were forced to live in the cities but are trying to move out
While i agree you dont force it you do make it illegal to prevent it as it natural occurs
Otherwise you end up with very tribal people
@Elvis Ameb
Ya but tribalism is the opposite of what you want for a nation its weak divisive bad for evolution overall and for each group
And bad for knowledge
Again im not for letting people live i where they want
But i am against preventing others from living somewhere on the basis of race
@Elvis Ameb khoisans are blacks some look mixed with Asians but majority are black
Very sad to see a place like this.
What he means is what a crime free, clean, orderly well run place without corrupt anc idiots.
Wow your statement says alot about you and your views. May God open your heart and mind. We all came from Adam and eve remember that . Don't let political views and people control your heart you control your heart there isn't a race think they made that to always have control be smart and Just and fear God for there will be a day of judgment and God will Ask everyone what they did in life and how they lived.
Nope just a bunch of people,longing for the "good old days"with NP in control,where they could freely massacre people of colour.
Oh crap John Butler
Roxanne...Massacre? You mean building houses, churches and schools for them? You mean the millions of rands given to their tribes every year for doing nothing is now a massacre? You must have had a leftist education...
@@Hellstothenaw They literally treated the africans as 2nd class citizens. They were better off on their own.
I've been to Orania a few times. They don't have anything against black people but against our countries goverment.
We need an Orania in America
If they are happy there and in doing so they don't cause any trouble, let them live in peace
Alot of white people get killed and raped every week there beacause of racism. Without white people owning farms there africans would have no food at all. Just search for Jaak Madison he went there with EU commisoners.
They don't belong in Africa. Colonizers
@@socr4820 and blacks and browns belong in europe? i don't follow your logic
@@socr4820 then get out of the west and live in mommy Africa.
@@socr4820 Ah, by that logic all foreigners can leave Europe
Correction. Afrikaans is not the tongue of the first dutch settlers. It was in fact first spoken by the workers on the dutch farms and became known as kitchen dutch. If you are going to report news, then know your facts.
True.
You forgot to mention the Khoi and San influence and origins of Afrikaans as they were the ones who created the stable pidgin that could be used between the settlers and the indigenous peoples.
The African influence was later removed to try and present Afrikaans as a "pure" and white language. The Afrikaans movement is currently trying to address this.
not kitchen dutch but '"kaap Hollands"" cape Dutch
It’s all about changing the narrative this changing what people think
@@esrakarugaba5110
The first Dutch who went to SAfrika where mainly very young people from orphanages to whom the sponsors and gouvernment said:
We need you there more then in Holland , for the sailors to Indië to maintain a stop before crossing the Indian ocean.
If the white farmers where not there it still was a desert and lots if famine.
Lot's femine? Africans were doing just fine before being invaded by evil thieves. Going through so much length to dehumanise Africans for what? For stealing and looting our natural resources.
@@abigailnomsamndebele6351 that was after the Dutch.
And
Africans never did mining, producing etc.
I like how they teach both versions of history and allow they new generation to decide
Do you honestly believe the teachers will be objective?
There's only one truth
@@H2JEFFKO agree , only one truth ,but bihh sides could be wrong...
@@christophemorency-pichet783 Probably as much as the South African Government.
Both versions written by them...Riiigghhtt.
If you want to know who the good guys are, just look at the contrast between Orania and the rest of the “rainbow nation”.
Botswana is more successful than Orania 🤷🏼♂️
@@darkcyborgsuperman9521 Correct.
@@darkcyborgsuperman9521 - oh yeah?? If you want to make that type of absurd comparison, let’s compare crime rates between Orania & Botswana. Then, fatherless households??? Then we can discuss “success.”
@@PinchePerro123 still better than Orania
A bunch of nonsensical arguments in this comment section. The natives are not the bad guys; they are the oppressed. What do you think apartheid was?
It's their town, leave them alone. That is freedom
I cannot think of one place in the U.K. that has a white only town.
Do have white only towns anywhere in France?
On a good note I like how they teach both histories and let the individual decide for themselves what they want to believe in
Pretty sure they have no choice. This is not an devolved part of SA. They need to follow the national syllabus. However, looks like they are also allowed to teach their own version along side it.
They are too young to have their own opinion
U have the 🧠 of a 2 year old 😂
@@rahultadvi2747 ??
Would be interesting to see crime figures for Orania.
zero
ZERO
Probably very low... considering the inhabitants culture isn't criminal.
Or any other town anywhere in the world with a population of 1500. Don’t be an idiot on the internet. Dumbest comment on this thread.
@@SerG-ez2po lol and that’s why you’re not there right?
In the USA where I live there are so many ethnic enclaves of Orthodox Jews, Chinese ("Chinatowns"), Somalis, Vietnamese, Koreans ("Koreatowns"), African Americans (Harlem) etc etc where the vast majority of inhabitants belong to one group. The most extreme example would be the colonies of Amish and Hutterites, who are 100% of white European descent, interact very little with the outside society and are pretty much closed to outsiders. Is this racism or ethnocentrism?
No I understand those types of towns like China town etc, with this type of place like Oriana, they bought a piece of land and they don't fall under the jurisdiction of South African government, they have their own government and they rule themselves and they might even have their own president, they broke away from the South African government they are totally autonomous. Whereas China town and China is still under American rule. Yes it is racism because they don't want to be ruled by a black government, and they believe that South African government want to do an die out their Afrikaans culture so it's both ethnocentrism and racism.
Do you live in midwestern Democratic town
@@sekoaib"They don't fall under the jurisdiction of South African government." Do you have a source for this? Orania has its own municipal administration and doesn't fall any other LOCAL administration. And like others you are just repeating what the narrator of the France 24 program is saying in that "they don't want to be ruled by a black government" or wish to return to the old days of apartheid.
@@vitakuzaliwa1465 No, northeastern part of the USA.
@יעקב ייגר how the the white people get the land?
Orania doesn't do anyone any harm. They are flourishing in a country which is rapidly heading towards failed state status. No-one is stopping anyone else from using this as a blueprint for creating more safe and successful communities.
At least their children are protected from the wave of crime in SA.
It's hard to blame them for wanting to live and to thrive by themselves when you consider the absolute chaotic, cataclysmic mess the ANC has turned the rest of the country into. I say GOOD ON THEM!!
chaos they caused when they colonized a nation that didnt belong to them
@@Imola0 And I suppose you think that they would have been far better off had they not bee colonised ?
@@calvinpurdy2668
Far better off, from which point of view?
@@calvinpurdy2668 South Africa would have been FAR BETTER OFF if they were not colonized ... or colonized without the scourge and evil of the apartheid system.
@@mteokay1246 I totally agree with you.
several hundred killed in the space of a few days in rioting across south africa last month, can you blame these people ?
Shut up
@Tapiwa Mubvumbi You shut up. If the beloved Mandela was still alive he would have a freakin heart attack and die again. I'm not for Apartheid, infact I hate and despise racism. But sadly the black government has been raping SA for many years now, you can't blame this on Apartheid anymore. Look at all the corruption, look at all the riots, look at all the deaths and then besides that implementing a BBE system for black empowerment to keep racism alive. This country that I live is a joke, we take jobs away from our people allowing foreigners from African countries to freely March in. We are giving the Chinese a massive hold and look even our railway has come to a freeze. So with all due respect, you shut up!
@@hamzaduplessis3576 the government should give back the land to the indigenous owners of the land. That’s what the cry of the people is about.
Functional multi-race societies only work well when the inhabitants can disregard the subject of race nearly entirely, which rarely if ever occurs. Or in the case of the US, it’s big enough for them all to co-exist as long as, at the end of the day, you go home to your own same-race neighborhood, insulated from the rest.
I heard someone describe this as ''sunset segregation", essentially that during the day people may mix but at the end of it return to their separate communities.
It's no coincidence this happens.
The difference is that white people are a majority in the USA and it justifies the inequality. In South Africa’s case however..
Heritages don't disappear
They grow and evolve
How we want it to evolve is all on us
Especially not stolen ones
It doesn't matter who they are Africa's is always Africa they can leave there but they have to accept it that it belongs to Africa
I see nothing wrong with this. As for the nostalgia, I'm sure they feel nostalgia for when the economy was better and the country was safer
safer only for whites you mean where anyone who wasn't white was disregarded thats why the economy was better
@@thepsychicpeach8425 the economy was better because the goverment focused on the economy not corruption and hand outs.
The economy can be even better without apartheid of we had the goverment to lead us.
@João Santiago Do you know what we call that kind of rhetoric in Europe?
USHUAIA TIERRA DEL FUEGO ARGENTINA
@João Santiago DONALD TRUMP GO HOME
If you are being attacked violently, if the lives of your loved ones are being threatened, if your own survival and security is threatened, you have every right in the world to carve out your own enclave, to live peacefully and prosperously. You should create your own autonomous state or territory where you can live peacefully and prosperously. I hope you succeed in your autonomous state.
Rene Resurreccion i dont think you understand why your comment is based on the fallacy that they are the “victims”
@@imliterallysostupid7781 They kill us boers for nothing, torture us and kill us because we are white
After apartheid*
Fiery Flag i want you to try an experiment, go colonize a wasps nest and see how long it lasts.
Go back to Europe. Give the land back to actual African people.
Nowhere on this planet is there a successful society of these people. SA was ruined.
What exactly have the majority done for S. Africa since they took over? Anyone?
Why not go further to discuss cultural preserveration? Why not discuss the fact that this little town strives for self sufficiency and that the people who manage it work with Black communities throughout the Western, Northern and Eastern Cape to help them set up sustainable economies of scale? This town is not just about Afrikanerdom, but about economic self sufficiency. Instead of delving into new frontiers we get more superficial reporting on race and land redistribution.
South Africa is filled with culture and yet there has been the maintenance of culture preservation despite people of different cultures living together. For example, I'm a Christian and for my whole life I've been going to school with atheists, Muslim people, Hindi people and the list goes on but that hasn't changed my Christianity. I'm Xhosa and I've been living with Sotho people, Zulu people, Afrikaans people, Enlgish people and so on yet I've never seen anyone loose their culture because of being exposed to each other. Honestly, it's up to an individual to preserve their culture and it starts with whether you are happy with yourself and whether you take pride in who you are-building boarders cant do that for you. You haven't denied anything that was reported in the video which means it is accurate, you're complaining about things that you wish they mentioned...But respectfully...if that's what you believe then that's what you believe an you are entitled to your opinion...I just couldn't help but make a comment.
@@afikax8933 You don't seem to understand acculturation or cultural drift and actively ignore what I said. I am not sure if this was intentional or if your English comprehension is underdeveloped. I made no statements about a belief. I criticized the media for playing the same narrative over and over while ignoring the nuance to the story and the implications it represents.
@@silasbishop3055 I understand what you said. You made a couple of points but i was commenting on the question you asked, "Why not go further to discuss cultural preservation". Like i said you are entitled to your own opinion and that''s fine. I don''t know if you were just confused or being rude but my english comprehension isn't undeveloped-thank you for your concern as it is much appreciated.
@@afikax8933 I certainly wasn't confused. Identity and Culture are important. If they weren't There wouldn't have been protests over making Afrikaans the instruction language. You say that you have not seen someone lose their culture. Let's take the dismantling of institutions. Today there is a movement to remove Afrikaans from Stellenbosch. Further we have seen the removal of the Rhodes statue from Cape Town. These Institutions and Symbols are important parts to White South African cultures.
Let's look to the United States where I currently live. Latinos move to the US from a number of countries in the Americas. Overtime these Latino communities lose their language. Second they lose their practices as they adapt to American culture. In successive generations, these communities dissolve. Most White Latinos do not identify as Latino within 2 generations.
Culture is in constant flux and change, however in a society like South Africa, where the ANC desires to erase the symbols and institutions of the White Minority due to it's connection to colonialism, imperialism, and Apartheid, it is no wonder that some would desire to preserve their culture.
@@silasbishop3055 I'm not saying that identity and culture aren't important to preserve...my point is the method through which you preserve your culture must be flexible for everyone but preserving your culture isn't a problem.
Most of South Africa's best schools and universities are English/Afrikaans-this doesn't accommodate for reserving black culture in South Africa yet black people have managed to preserve their culture despite this-in such a way that it accomodate everyone else yet they make up approx.70% of South Africa's population. I think it's great that Afrikaans people want to preserve their culture because it forms a part of their identity but i just don''t think that isolating yourself from the rest of the world in the way that Orania has in South Africa is the way things should be done.
In my South African passport the front page says that we all should be able to move across our country freely-i don''t think that everyone is welcome to go to Orania. I also feel like the ANC is trying to balance the power-distribution in South Africa hence inowadays it's more difficult for white people t find jobs but it's not that their trying to erase white culture or identity.
I mean, if you calculate the percentage of wealth distribution in South Africa, white people who are the minority (like you said) dominate a significant amount of it. So my feel is that the ANC are trying to balance that and it feels as though they are erasing white culture but really their not. (I'm addressing the one gentleman who moved to Orania because of job-difficulties)
Again, culture preservation isn't a problem-it's how you preserve it that matters because we live in a country full of people so we all do have to share. Nobody can be selfish...i feel like that's some idea of what democracy is
This news network has to draw a line between discrimination and preference
Skullk2 true
ARGENTINA UBER ALLES
@@kidyfiddler5527 BARILOCHE EL BOLSON SAN MARTIN DE LOS ANDES ARGENTINA
He has to go back to school
@Kidy Fiddler
Wrong
Safest Town in South Africa.
3:29 very heart warming, but ask these same Africans just a few kilos up in Jhb how they feel about Nigerians and Zimbabweans?
Very poor piece of journalism, unbalanced and lacks research. For a French channel I'm astounded they do not know their own history. Afrikaaners are not just descendants of Dutch but French also, Huguenot refugees. Afrikaans became the language of the first settlers that included those people. Before some fool comes out talking kak, I'm not an Afrikaaner and I'm not black. It seems Orania has become yet another refuge that these people have sought since they have become marginalised, so let them build a community where there is mutual respect for humanity. As someone who has lived in that part of the world this region is far more complex than this slanted piece by France 24.
Tf does their ancestry have to do with anything? They locked millions of black natives in open air prisons and held rights from them, that’s evil. Should Germans not demonize their Nazi ancestors? Should White Americans not be able to speak down on Confederates?
@@dbclass2969 Obviously you missed what the journalist had to say. Its about balance and getting facts right
Sean Rota I agree with the facts part but their ancestry isn’t relevant to the story. And this community isn’t marginalized, many White South Africans live their lives with very little social issues. They make the majority
of the income in the country and they own most businesses and land. There are very few White townships and the ones that exist are often due to choice.
@@dbclass2969 Ancestry may not be central to the story but if journalists are not called out on not doing proper research then what else are they going to be lazy about in such articles. No one is disputing where the majority of wealth lies, or the fact that apartheid oppressed black and coloured people. I protested against apartheid but that does not mean I support another form of racism.
Sean Rota
Your highly misinformed!you have eyes but can’t see!how do you end up having your own currency?it means you still want the old racist regime!
Freedom of association should be a universal right ….
@DRE_Talks There were no natives when the dutch settled in SA.
Those people are living on stolen land.
@@jasonpatel6562 just curious ….Who did they steel it from? (In your opinion )
@@ike7933 They are not native to that country, so who do you think they stole from? Obviously the african natives. Same as what happend with the native Americans in the us.
@@jasonpatel6562 again, because you leftists can't seem to understand... There were no native tribes in South Africa when the Dutch settled. After a presence was established by the Dutch, the Zulu tribe (and a few other taken over by the Zulu) pushed south to try and take over but failed. The Dutch settled on uninhabited lands... Unless you think all of Africa is only for "Africans". But let's not go down that road.
The trouble is that redistribution of land programmes simply doesnt work. Zimbabwe demonstrated that when prosperous farms were suddenly given away to people who had absolutely zero idea about running such large farms.
Many white farm owners returned later to discover that the crops they left behind had been allowed to rot in the ground, machinery had not been maintained so no longer worked, dairy cattle had largely all been slaughtered for food and property had been left to rack and ruin.
Black africans are subsistence farmers and sadly if farms are simply given to them from the whites then South Africa will end up a third world nation like so many others. Where the West see TV footage of starving children.
South Africa and Zimbabwe are two examples of countries that were once successful and prosperous but given over to the inexperienced africans results in them going to from bread baskets to dust bowls.
Long live Orania!!!