Jerry West asked why people pick Michael Jordan over Bill Russell .
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The more I get to know about Jerry West, I must say: He's rightfully the man on the NBA logo.
The NBA logo should’ve been changed a long time ago to the Jumpman logo.
Yeah 1-9 in the finals..overated white player couldn't even dribble
@@mark75l63Lol Shut your mouth, Jerry West is the classic player.
@mark75l63 yeah back when then we’re rules and you could just blatantly carry constantly
@@dc4690nah Jerry West should be logo forever
Bar none the best talent evaluator in NBA history, the most honest executive ever, and I’m amazed more people haven’t successfully modeled their career after his.
It’s a very rare combination to have West’s (1) elite skill he displayed in the league (2) respect from other players and organizations within the league (3) natural non-basketball IQ and dedication to earn his bachelor’s degree (4) people skills (5) work ethic.
He was a special man. RIP.
I like that Jerry is open about still having "dark days" to this day. It takes a strong man to admit that publicly
Losing Kobe hit him hard
Jerry was very happy when the Lakers he put together beat the Celtics in 1985 and 1987 and 2010.
2010 has nothing to do with West
@@firuBR Kobe and Fisher have nothing to do with West? My point was the Lakers beat the Celtics, period. He was happy about that...Oh, and Kobe Fisher, and he traded Pau to the Lakers. So he did have his fingerprints all over that team.
I love to listen to Jerry West speak. Wisdom and fairness is a tough combination to beat.
Jerry west is a class act 27ppg amazing defender. Sharp shooter with a sick two dribble pull up, clutch, sees and knows basketball inside and out and a class act. Jerry west is definitely under appreciated. For me personally combing through countless hours of ball Jerry west is one of my favorite players all time. He deserves his flowers.
People tend to forget Elgin Baylor take a look at his stats and it’s sad he’s forgotten
Definitely one of the best to ever do it. Would easily transfer over into today's League. He was decades ahead of everyone else with his craft.
@@georgearmour5259 The real ones know, man. The real ones know.
@@gseric4721 If anyone thinks Wilt couldn’t destroy todays NBA they’re idiots he might even put up better numbers against todays NBA
@@georgearmour5259 I don't know about better numbers since it's all about the 3-ball, double-teams, and switching, but he'd definitely still be dominating the League. 700lbs. bench press and 100m dash in the 10's as a 7 footer? That's pretty much GG 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Bob Cousy wrote in his one of his books that the first time Russell played with them, they looked at the stat sheet and had no idea what he did during the game, but they knew they were going to win lol Russell - my choice for greatest NBA player of all time.
Absolutely.
I realized that in hockey. I used to watch the Red Wings and then I went to a game and Steve Yzerman just blew me away. It's not always about being with the puck but the 1000 things one does away from the puck too. He was a blur. Doing so much the full time. Bill Russell would terrorize everyone. He played smart as did Yzerman.
Those who grew up watching Russell’s Celtics generally rate him the best of all time, with Larry Bird second.
@@johncassani6780 you mean a Celtics fan that grew up watching them 😂 Kareem and Magic better than both
@@bailoch DREAM ON THE RINGS SAY IT ALL
RIP to the legend! 🫡
It’s great to hear from Jerry West, and I’m so happy he’s alive and well.
Greatest clutch play nobody knows or talks about! Lakers tied, game 3, 62 finals. Celtics ball out of bounds in their front court. 3 seconds remaining - West steals and drives full court for winning basket at the buzzer! I can still hear the Sports Arena sound at that moment!
Mr. West should be right up there in the discussion with those guys. RIP, logo.
Jerry West still the only FMVP from the losing team.
Wilt is by far the most talented, most gifted, best all around with the greatest endurance, no one else is even remotely close. Greatest athlete humanity will ever ever see
@@axilmar254 This sub thread was about being the greatest athlete ever. What was Michael's time in the 100? What about the 440? How high was Michael's high jump? How much could Michael bench? Michael tried 2 sports but with a .202 BA and 3 HRs in 127 games doesn't quite reach to Wilt who had track & field, basketball and volleyball. And remember that the NBA changed rules to make it harder for Wilt to score, whereas they changed rules to make it easier for MJ to score.
@@axilmar254 What is amazing to me is people keep bringing up playoffs. In MJ's entire career he was the number one option, meaning he always took the most shots. That didn't happen with Wilt because he was asked to stop his scoring by coaches for team success.
Now the higher pace argument makes Wilt even more great. Wilt was a Center, a Center has to go from baseline to baseline, 94 feet multiple times.He was 7'1 around 275 pounds. He has to fight for rebounds defensively then run down to thee other block score and back in those days men were hanging on him and fouling him then run back and forth at that pace for an average of 46 minutes a game. There is nobody that does that. Then or now. Don't get it twisted Wilt was not the tallest player in that era and there were a few 6'11 and 7'0 players so that myth about him playing against smaller player is trash.
@@axilmar254 What???!!!!!! First Wilt vertical was 45. Now can you tell me where exactly is it officially written where MJ vertical is 48. The last official I could find was by UNC where they said 42 in vrtical and 46 run and jump. What officail document said he had a 48? HAHA you're bringing up 600th of a second are you kidding me? I don't know what the heck you're talking about the freethrow line. A giant can't do how Wilt did it. Again the court is 94 feet long, when MJ did it he had to go down almost the end lets say 85 feet to run to jump 15 feet.By the way Julius did it first. Wilt could jump 15 feet from 3 paces above the top of the key. HUGE difference. As for giant, let's see some modern day giant do that, I would like to see that.
The flagrant foul because the Pistons were beating up poor Mikey, awww. Wilt used to get beat up a lot, he literally got punched in the face to keep him from scoring.
@@axilmar254 First point: They said the same for MJ who didn't have great success at his early years.
Really?? I wonder how he shot 54 PERCENT for his career. That second point is a load of crap.
@@axilmar254 No the Bulls have two three peats not just Jordan, he didn't do it by himself. And if you want to bring up number of CHIPS then bring up Russell, Jones, Halicek, Horry who all have more rings. Now you are talking like the wind. Left one minute then right the next.First you said he missed shots thats why he has so many rebounds now you say he shot 54% due to dunks and lay ups. There's not further going with this conversation, contradiction is a waste of time of conversation.
There’s a reason why Jerry’s profile dribbling is the nba logo. Like my favorite baseball player, Henry Aaron, he is just as good a man as he was a player. Lots of respect. West dealt with severe depression for much of his life; glad he wasn’t afraid to talk about it. Just a standup guy….
Of course there is an obvious reason why a white man's profile dribbling a basketball is the NBA logo. If you are 40+ years old, you definitely understand. And thanks to the internet, 20 & 30 year olds should know, as well.
@@HOTBOXXXstevioHIP so your point is what exactly?
@@HOTBOXXXstevioHIP he is not the logo because he is white it's because he was great . It could have been afew black or white guys who were on that level
@@dc4690 what would be the point we already have a great logo... Should we change it every thirty years
The modern players carry and Palm the ball on almost every dribble. The “cross-over” move is a violation of the original rules of basketball
Easy Answer. Today we have ESPN, cable tv, 24 hour television, social media. So players who came before the 1980’s will never be as hyped as those who came afterward.
A big thank you!!!
Naw, not it. People are just too complicated for a simple matter. And then think they are right, even when it makes no sense. People are easily swayed by b.s. and it's not hard to hard to fool smooth brain people. Even tho Russell played on both sides of the ball, and they always argue about the number of rings, how can Jordan be considered the greatest, when so many more came before him. People are just too lazy for critical thinking, which is why, I avoid contact with most people. Most of them have brain damage, and don't even know it.
2000's and on I would agree. Players in the 80's didn't have none of that and players in the 90's barely. Come on man.
The games were on tape delay, stop acting like ya'll forgot that
@@sedohema
ESPN came around in 1979. Cable tv and satellite tv, vcr’s started in late 70’s. DVD’s exploded in the 1990’s. So from the 1980’s on the players had ALL of that except of course social media.
The finals were I believed on tape delay for only 2 seasons….1980 and 1981.
How old are you? Are you even old enough to remember what it was like back then?
Jerry West refers to "Bill Russell's excellence as a player and also as a human being."
You could say the same thing about West.
Wasn’t a lakers fan but Mr. West is pure 100% class.
What a great interview!!!
Bill’s excellence as a human being … thanks for maintaining your standards, too, Mr West.
Classiest man in professional sports.
There are a lot of factors that play in on all of this, I seen an interview where Jerry West said MJ is the goat. When Bill Russell started that championship run there were 8 teams in the NBA. It was a lot easier to win in that era where there was a lot less competition and most of the talent was spread out on 3-4 teams. By end of his 11 championship run there was 16 teams I think but there was also the ABA and there was a lot of great players in the ABA. When the NBA and the ABS merged it became a lot harder to win championships and even harder to win 2-3 in a row. By the 80s it was considered impossible to win 3 in a row so when MJ put the NBA on lock down for 8 years everybody was amazed by his accomplishments. Not only was he the scoring champion but he led a team that didn’t have a list of all stars to 3 titles in a row took 2 years off n came back and did it again.
He was also the only player in history to win the finals mvp in every finals appearance and a record 6 times.
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You said it best!
Is he trying to debate you?!? Wtf is up with the links he’s posting? none of them could prove a damn thing you’ve said is inaccurate.
I wouldn't say a league of 8 teams makes it "easier to win".
Now - the rules made it easier to REPEAT as champion - bc you only had to play 1 or 2 playoff rounds if you were champion the year before.... I think back then the previous champion was given a 1st round bye automatically (even if you weren't as good in the regular season).
BUt aside from that - having "8 teams" - which a lot of people for some reason use as an excuse to deny credit to those 60s players ....
8 Teams actually means there's MORE TALENT condensed on each of the 8 teams. That means each team is loaded with hall of famers... instead of only having 1 or 2 stars per team... back then each team had like 2 legends and 2 more Hall of famers AT LEAST.
Nowadays talent is so spread out around the 30 - team NBA that you can make the FINALS - like this year's Celtics or Miami a couple years ago: and have virtually ZERO hall of famers on th team.
That was hardly ever possible in the 80s or prior. It was during Jordan's era that the league became watered down. In the mid 80s, you needed like 4 hall offamers JUST TO MAKE IT through the Eastern Conference Finals!!!
The Sixers, Celtics, Pistons all had 4 or 5 Hall of Famers AT LEAST.
So it wasn't "Easier to win":
In 1967 when Wilt won with Philly, he had to beat:
1. Oscar Robertson's team in Rd 1.
2. Then Bill Russell's celtics which had over 6 Hall of Famers.
3. Then in the Finals: 2 Hall ofFamers AT LEAST (Nate THurmond and Rick Barry.... who averaged more points in his career than Steph Curry has so far).
So it wasn't "easier" to win in the 60s .... back then they had little expertise compared today regarding sports medicine, sports science, fancy shoes with cushioning and engineering. etc.
I'm a coach - and have been for the past 10 years or so - I can tell immediate difference between some of my $100 shoes compared with the primitive Converse All Stars they were in the 60s:
Imagine how strong you had to be to use those primitive shoes, and be over 280 lbs, but still jump over and over to grab 20 rebounds (per night!.. That's what Wilt and Russell averaged: 18 to 20 every game!!!
And to block 8 shots per game (compared to today when the highest block rate is maybe 2.5 or 3 per game AT BEST).
So people should respect those hall of famers more.... from the 1960s. That's the bottom line.
@@MrLarryLessor all that to argue math? Having a 1 out of 8 chance is greater than having a 1 out of 30. As far as the shoes, all 8 teams wore the same level of discomfort. I actually agree with most of what you said, I just think you used it to challenge the wrong statement.
Bottom Line: in order to be the greatest, you need to be able to take control of your destiny in crunch time. When it matters most. That means...you need the ball in your hands. If you are a Center, you DON'T control your destiny on thr Court. You depend on other players to get you the ball.
GREAT VIDEO SIR!
It's a team sport. We should value and rank the players by there success in a team.
Wow....Jerry West says the same thing Charles Barkley said about losing the Finals to MJ & the Bulls.....he was devastated and shocked and said it still hurts to this day. These men are such supreme competitors and have a professional arrogance that is fascinating.
Barkley lost to thhe Bulls ONCE. West went 0-7 versus Russell. Surely, you are not SUGGESTING it's compatible....
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 No I get that West lost a lot more times, just that losing even once leaves such a lasting impression on these men.
Old-school hoops guys were and are amazing. ❤️🇺🇸💪
There is a lot to be said for maturity. I followed West as a player and he is a much better person now.
Class
Cooller.
Cooller dunks.
Hangtime.
More medial personnality.
Less "patternal attitude"
Like - "They Know I CAN."
Nope.
U gotta SHOW them.
Not just The Goat.
Medial Goat too.
Kids in Africa wore MJ 23 jerseys,
FAKE not bought in a store,
Painted with a marker pen.
THAT
is a success.
Pre Internet.
Thanks, Jerry.
When an old man displays something in a bathroom then that thing really means a lot. Because he's gonna spend more time in that bathroom than any other room in his house.
Some people may not recognize your effort Mr West but I do. Celtics we’re beyond a super team they got all the great players who were capable of doing a lot of things especially on offensive end. Weren’t going to beat them with a one man or even a conventional two man team. You and Wilt put forth huge efforts and that’s all u can do on account for yourself. To average 38 points in nba finals is an amazing achievement.
It's not even a fair comparison between Russell and Jordan because they played in different eras and they played different positions.
I think Jerry West is the greatest Laker ever. He was in every level of the organization, playoff MVP, won a title, went to a ton of finals and built two dynasties.
Awesome video! Jerry West is a very wise, well spoken man. He's right, these days, too much about individual stats, vice winning. Russell could have padded his stats if he wanted. But instead he focused on winning and making everyone else around him better. He's my GOAT
Russell is the GOAT of his era!
Bill played in an Era where segregation was rampant in the ncaa and racism had a huge affect on the level of talent in the NBA. Bill was a pioneer for displaying professionalism while playing while dealing with racism from fans on the road and at home. It wasn't until the aba merger that the best athletes got to play in the NBA. Bill endured things that jordan did not and jordan faced competition that Bill did not.
@@henrymcmiller2527 Wilt
@@shihyuchu6753 Wilt owns 2 rings. Russell has 11 rings. Russell was a die hard believe in civil rights. He was a better team player and ultimate defensive player.
@@henrymcmiller2527 You are scared
It’s amazing how much of a disconnect there was between West and Phil Jackson when they were GM and coach, respectively. They’re both such intelligent, introspective and progressive-thinking people yet their relationship teetered between being non-existent and negative.
Second best talent evaluator behind red Auerbach
Rest in peace Jerry West you were the greatest guard I have ever seen . You willed your Laker teams to great heights ! Good Lord man you were
feared by every team and that includes the Celtics !
You're the starting guard on God's team !
GOAT will always be subjective.
No it is only subjective to people who make it subjective then.
Agree that Bill Russell is the NBA's greatest winner
That makes the 7 that Brady got even more unbelievable
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average age of the NBA fan right now is 25 to 44 according to google good portion of those people got to see MJ play but never got the opportunity to see Bill Russell i did not. Steals started getting counted in 73 74 season 3 points was 79 80 season. i remember in the 90s hearing about the greats and they were given proper respect those pre modern era players. I know i have watched a ton of classic games on the NBA channel years ago and loved them but its not like seeing a season after season. MJ got me and my friends together to watch Bulls games it was cool for a Sonics fan and a couple GS fans maybe a Lakers fan as well over and over for years. Phenomenal player. I think that is the best explanation i can come up with. Its only era not at all disrespect.
Fans today suffer from recency bias and most of the color basketball announcers are from post Bill Russell eras and suffer from recency bias too. Not only that, fans love the spectacular nature of MJ's game with all the slam dunks, and Bill Russell's defense is not as sexy as that. I feel like Wilt is the greatest with what he did and he didn't have 7 Hall of Fame teammates like Russell did. MJ didn't start winning chips until he had an excellent team around hime and an excellent coach.
Goat, can only be considered in a individual sport. A team sports do have a goat. One great player can make other around him or her great and winner’s. Just me a goat can be found in ie Tennis, Golf, poker and other individuals sports. That all I have to say…
Bill Russell is the greatest 🥇 but put in context he played on a team with 5 HOFS in a league with only eight teams at the time. MJ was a one kind super athlete the likes of which we will never see again with unmatched desire to win & bend the league to his will.
And Jordan played in an era watered down by alot of expansion
I remember there was an interview with Jordan somewhere where Jordan had admitted that he would be too scared to go up against the great Bill Russell or Wilt. Bottom line: Russell or Wilt would have shoved the basketball down Jordan's throat.
Man asked a real question if it's about winning in every stat,why isn't bill the goat then💯🤦idk why he isn't but he should be💯👍
You have to discuss Russell in the GOAT conversation. A lot of what he did didn’t show up in box scores. Ask the Celtics HOFers who the key guy was, who was indispensable-Russell.
Bill Russel no question! He paved the way for championship play. The things he went through as a player.
No team ever game planned to stop Bill Russell. He wasn't a scorer or shooter, just a rebounder. Comparing him to Jordan is not only ridiculous but also asinine.
@@elituco6632 He was 4 inches taller, could jump much higher (world rated high jumper out jumped Wilt), was faster than MJ (a college 440 man who also ran the relays), with a 7'4" wingspan. He was totally dominant in the paint and owned it defensively. Averaged 20 pts and 20 rebounds during his NCAA career during which he led an otherwise good team to 2 titles including a 55 game win streak. Just a rebounder? He had 51 in a game as a pro and averaged 22 a game for his career. Your comment is almost childlike and also asinine..
@@garymialocq7232 Obviously, you are delusional or a Democrat, to promulgate that Bill Russell averaged 22 points a game for his career. Since he died, he somehow managed to increase that 15 points per game to 22. He either developed a shot, became friends with Harry Houdini, or you are as senile as Biden, who says the economy is great. Again, nobody but nobody game planned to stop Bill Russell from getting his 15 points. Have you considered therapy?
@@elituco6632 he was the greatest defensive player ever and the second greatest rebounder ever to wilt
Rip
If winning is the number one thing, then that means Sam Jones and John Havlicek are better than Jordan. Just simply not true.
But ya use WINNING AS A CRITERIA TO DEMINISH LEBRON
Don't kid yourself they were really great players too
Bill is the greatest winner in team sports ever
Jerry knew the answer but was too nice a man to say it: so i will….they’re all fucking crazy!
MJ is still and will be the talk of the town, whether you like him or not.
He’ll be the talk of the because mj was a walking commercial that sold more products than then any athlete . Nike is air Jordan. That’s part of the mythology
Recency bias and commercially promoted by corporate America.
@@terrencealexander6811 wait, so MJ is the only athlete that’s been pushed and endorsed. The NBA and Nike have been doing that for lebron the last 20 years.
@@judahmourneth1466 you must have not have grown up watching 90’s basketball and mj . President Clinton even thanked mj for all his commercialism , he was the poster child for US corporations
@@terrencealexander6811 I’m 40 and no different than lebron endorsing Obama and hilliary. There’s nothing new under the sun.
Looking at bills stats I finally understand why they say mj is the goat. Bill was getting like 15 points but almost 30 rebounds. On the other side mj was scoring 30 plus almost every game. So it's kinda like the reason the bulls was winning was because of mj. Not to take anything away from russ.
Aesthetics. People enjoy guard play more than interior play.
Even though Center is actually the most important position in basketball especially on defense.
If we cared about championships as much as individual achievement, defensive prowess and rebounding as much as offensive production, then Russell would be the obvious GOAT.
Russell's my GOAT
Thats like asking someone why'd they pick a ferrari over a buick.
Only in the minds of you Michael Jordan fans. You Micahel Jordan fans are seriously the worst NBA fans. Now before you write anything else ridciulous, you should just go on my podcast and show me all of your magical facts on what ever you disagree on.
@@theuniversegalaxynba You don't even know how to spell. Im not gonna waist my "magical facts" your not that bright.
the obvious answer to that question is that 99% of those people arent old enough to have even seen bill play. or know about the rules at that time, and every other change about that time. you can only compare people of the same era
I would think that Michael Jordan was one of the most athletic players ever but he was selfish as a player. I compare him to Bill Russell or Larry Bird and I remember watching Bird and the Celtics beating Jordan's team, I think it was the year before Bird retired. By then, Bird had his finger injury, had his debilitating back injury for about 7 years, and had 2 Achilles' surgeries. He was in pain even putting his jersey on but his team won with Bird not taking pain meds, and not being able to sit on the bench. If Bird had never injured his finger, his back, and both Achilles, Bird might have kept him out of more finals.
True
It seems to me it is pretty simple. If my memory serves me correctly, there were only 8 teams in the NBA when Bill Russell began his NBA career. Less teams, less competition easier to dominate. How would Bill Russell fare in todays NBA.?
Your confused
It's not easier to dominate
Michael jordan fan?
Eight teams make much deeper rosters not easier to dominate... What if the nba went to eight teams today.. would the teams get stronger or weaker
It is not a way to compare, in general there is no good way to compare different eras
If you are into winning then you are going to say bill Russell is the greatest
Yipes, Bill and Jim taking cross country car trips together every summer? Can I tag along in the back seat, fellas? I won't bother you, promise.
back in those days two black guys traveling together in the backroads would be taking your life in your hands
RIP Jerry West. As a kid in LA I literally grew up watching Mr. West and Elgin Baylor. And of course the Celtics were always the bad guys. Mostly 'cause they beat the Lakers so often. (and yeah, the Celtics are 2024 champions)
Never knew that Bill Russell was a roommate of Jim Brown.
I didn't hear Jerry say he though Bill Russell was the best. I wonder what he thinks.
West did not lose to Russell all those times solely because of Russell.. the great john havlicek was on many of those teams too
0;59
Bill wanted Jerry to be happy - but not enough to concede any championships.
9-)
the answer is they do not know the history of the game and exactly how great russell was
Mr. West, much respect, but you MUST know the answer to the question:
THE MEDIA. The day and age of MJ allowed more people to see him perform. Whereas, with Mr. Russell, media coverage was not what it became when MJ played.
Russell practically invented defense. He also won two NCAA championships, without all those stars on the Celtics. I am not sure his Celtics teammates would be considered such all stars if Russell wasn't there to lead them. He won the NCAA championship in 56 with 27 points, 26 rebounds, and 20 blocked shots.
Because Jordan was more flamboyant. See that was easy! And if you want a Thanksgiving turkey they are at Market Basket !!
They do that because most people were not around when Bill Russel was the best Celtic center ever. What a great team player and talent Bill Russell was. Wilt was good, don't get me wrong. But Wilt was all about Wilt. Bill Russell was all about the Celtics. RIP Mr. Russell
To wilt & Russell; wherever you are, I hope you’re restin at ease!
Wilt was a great team player who twice led his teams to record breaking records over the course of entire seasons., during the 1966-67 season with the 76ers and the 1971-72 with the Lakers.
Russell was good but he played in a league with 8 teams total. They were good but now days you have 16 teams in the East and another 16 teams in the West and the best talent from all over the world comes into the NBA. And the rules change and the 3pt line came out. I just have a hard time with the GOAT question. I can see a GOAT of the 'Decade' but not a GOAT of "ALL TIME"
If there was only 8 teams today wouldnt that mean only the top 75 players would be able to play evernight. I would love that
@@kingofla2155 Exactly. As Russell pointed out to Jordan, the Bulls wouldn't have won in 97 when Steve Kerr hit the winning shot because when he played "their were only 8 teams and Kerr would have been up in the stands watching". Not a GOAT of "ALL TIME"??. OK, fine, howz bout "Lord of The Rings". Here's one for ya, Bill won an NCAA Championship, a Basketball Olympic Gold Medal and an NBA Championship all in one year (12 months). Go look it up. That, like most of Bill's other records, will never be broken. NEVER.
8 TEAMS MEAN TOUGHER COMPETITION IDIOT. You guy's sound dumb mj played in a expension era. It easy to play in a expension era.
Lotta Talent Dilution🤔
In the present era.. Lotta lousy teams Today 😡
Six of the 8 centers who played against RUSSELL are in the Hall of Fame. Competition was tough BECAUSE every team was LOADED. The centers were Wilt 7'1.5", 315; Reed 6'10", 250; Thurmond 6'11", 230; Bellamy 6'11" 270, Beaty 6'9", 235.
Because the were on 10 teams in the league when Bill was playing. Easy answer once you realize that.
14 when he retired.. eight or fourteen he still dominated
“I don’t think we’ll see a winner like that in any sport again.”
Michael Phelps has entered the chat.
Swimming isn't a sport there's no defense.
@@vegastjg Huh? Why would defense be required to be considered a sport? Says who?
@@John_HooverWhile I do think swiming is a sport. There is quite a difference between sports where you are using talent and skill against a set obstacle course (water, track, etc), compared to when you are using those same skills against someone or something designed to take you down. Sadly it makes records at different generation of defense related sports hard to compare to something like Flo Jo's 100mm time compared to runners today.
The difficulty in picking the goat is there are many criteria that can get used. Obviously, comparing one era to another is impossible. Championships is perhaps the best measure of a career? Given that, the best career ever is certainly Bill Russell, even though he did play in a weak era with few teams, but he still won. There are other criteria for best career and everyone can decide for themselves, but Jordan, Kareem and Lebron, in no particualar order, are 2 through 4. That is career, but not necessarily the best player. Greatest entertainer is important when we talk about professional basketball, who is easily Jordan, but I will leave that out of the discussion. But, remember pro basketball is about the entertaining the fans, and without fans there is no professional basketball. The best player to play a specific position doing what that position is expected to do is between Jordan at shootong guard and Chamberlain at center. Kobe, Magic and others are 3 on down. Best impact player for their generation is: Jordan, Chamberlain, Lebron. This is where Lebron does challenge Jordan. Most all-around skilled player is basically, the player that had essentially no weakness, and had tremendous strengths. Come on, nobody can touch Jordan! Is Bill Russell the greatest? I can't argue.
Championthips is one of the worst things to go by then.
Russell played in a league with less teams, not necessarily a weak era. If you had to judge strength of eras I would put Late forties to early fifties as probably the weakest followed by the era after Wilt retired until Magic and Bird came into the league, then next I would probably put today’s era. I would put Wilt’s and Russell’s era slightly below the 80s and early 90s in being one of the toughest eras
You can tell you are also a typical Michael Jordan fan then.
I believe that marketing made Michael Jordan the GOAT in a lot of peoples minds. I never thought Michael Jordan was the GOAT and I still do not think of him as the GOAT. To me Kareem has always been the GOAT in my eyes, and once LeBron takes over the scoring record and surpasses Magic Assist mark this season, I will then have to say that LeBron is the GOAT. Jordan is not #1 in any statistical category, plus he missed more shots than he took, so I can never call him the GOAT.
@@eromanjr43 40% lebron has 50%
Six finals and six wins for Jordan
Nine finals and one win for West.
Please Pat Riley.
Hey since you know so much more than Pat Riley, would you like to go on my podcast and show everyone what an expert you are then?
Bill Russell was a team player. Jordan was all Jordan all the time. Jordan was lucky the teams he faced in the finals were old (Lakers) or inexperienced.
Jerry West, why don't you try to help NBA Slam Dunk Champion, Mac McClung, receive a fair tryout with an NBA team.
Bill Russell was better than Jordan, and he had a bigger effect on the Game of basketball; Bill Russell was so good that they had to alter the shape of “the key,” or the shape of the court and the rules.
Eh. Russell's overall game doesn't in any way compare to MJ's. In that era he could be an almost Dennis Rodman like talent and win rings because he had scorers on his team. That's simply impossible since the leagues merged and maybe even before that. MJ mastered literally every part of the game, at the highest level AND elevated his otherwise pretty average team. He made Pippen. No one else is even close. But Russell's ability to keep that team playing at the highest level for so many years was remarkable and almost certainly unrepeatable for a variety of reasons. He certainly set the standard.
8 TEAMS MEAN TOUGHER COMPETITION IDIOT. You guy's sound dumb mj played in a expension era. It easy to play in a expension era.
Bill Russel game equal WINNING HIS GAME IS BETTER THAN MJ
@@coreythomas3633 what do you think Jordan’s game equaled? 🤦
Rodman had a similar game to Russell but Russell was the greatest defender ever and the second greatest rebounder ever
@@wallacepemberton932NOT 11 CHIPS IN 13 YEARS. NOT 8 STRAIGHT CHIPS. 🤦
Love jim brown even more because hes a conservative. A guy who actually cares about improving things instead of merely appearing virtuous. Respect
He beat women
Only eight teams in nba during russels run….
Mr. West speaks truth.
He does speak a lot of truth but he isn't perfect like all of us he isn't right 100% of the time he may be right 90% of the time but nobody's right 100% of the time
@@Alphasports576 I never said Jerry West is 100% right and clearly nobody is. Not sure where you are gong with this. Let me ask you this. What DIDN"T you agree with as far as what West is saying here?
@@anthonyrinaldo1133 15 basketball players of all time think he's a really good person put on fortunately I never heard and declare his love for Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior
@@anthonyrinaldo1133 I love Jerry West think he's a top 15 basketball player of all time and he's a really good person and I cried when he died however, being a really good person doesn't get you to heaven and works can I get you to heaven like most people being a good person doesn't guarantee you make it to heaven unfortunately the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions and I'm not saying he went there I hope he didn't make it to heaven I pray that he did make it to heaven do people need to realize being a good person doesn't guarantee you make it to heaven and nobody is ever 100% correct and what they say Jerry might be right 90/95 percent of the time but I guarantee you one thing he's not write 100 percent of the time and I respect them and love them as a person and cried when he died but unfortunately like I said being a good person doesn't guarantee you make it to heaven
@@anthonyrinaldo1133 I don't worship Jerry West I think he was a great person and a really good person but I don't break the first commandment in thou shalt not worship false gods and idols just because somebody was a great basketball player in a good person he's flawed just like me and every other human being that's ever lived I pray that he got right with the Lord before he died so he made it to heaven but I don't know that for sure do not worship celebrities realize that people just like all of us they just famous
Because Jordan was the best marketed, he was duo with Nike.
I personally stole Jerry West to dribble pull-up style. My best shots come off the two dribble
Everyone wants to mention Michael having 6 rings but then suddenly rings don't count when its Bill Russell and his 11
Hey is that you in the picture then?
"it's about self promotion and social media" is that a shot at lebron?
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Winning 6 titles, in 8 years, versus 30 teams, is infinitely harder, and more impressive today, than winning 11 titles, in 13 years, versus 7-9 teams. Especially when you factor in things like free agency, the trade market and salary caps.
Just the opposite. Fewer teams means a concentration of talent which makes it harder to win.
The reason there were 8 teams in the 60s was because of the lack of money. As Tommy Heinsohn said, there were college all Americans who could not get into the NBA in the 60s because there wasn’t enough room.
After Bird, Magic and MJ brought in $billions into the NBA, this resulted in a large number of additional teams. That has diluted talent.
@@bb1111116 Thanks for the ignorance, but the only "concentration of talent" was on the Celtics.
Name one guy Wilt Chamberlain played with, for the 10 years with before he went to the Lakers?
Exactly. Class dismissed.
@@InvestBetter. ; the 1967 76ers were the only team to beat Boston for the title during the 1960s. Wilt’s teammates included;
Hal Greer, 10 time all star, hall of fame.
Larry Costello, 6 time all star, hall of fame.
Billy Cunningham, 4 time all star, hall of fame.
Chet Walker, 7 time all star, hall of fame.
@@bb1111116 Thank you , you beat me to the punch
Most say that MJ is the GOAT because the vast majority of those who love to engage in the GOAT debate are teenagers and twenty something’s who’ve largely never watched nor heard of any of the old timers names.
Because MJ is more talented
And 😍 beloved..
But bill has 11 rings vs Jordan 6.
Then you haven’t seen how talented bill Russell was.
@@JagjitSingh-it5fq what talent bill russell had that makes him better than jordan?what is this that a newcomer to basket can study from bill russell to become great at basketball?
@@juventinos81 you know the guy who made this page takes people like you onto his podcast and debates them, so you should go ahead and show your facts on his program.
@@juventinos81 you don't think that MJ, Bird & Magic, all historians of the game didn't learn from Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and the teams of that era!
You don't think MJ didn't get the fadaway from Wilt Chamberlain or the sheer willingness to never give in from Bill Russell or the creative game from a wonderful player like Elgin.
Chamberlain was such a finesse player that players could copy many of his career skills and make them better, MJ perfected the fadaway, then who then perfected Wilts unstoppable finger roll and kareem perfected wilts Hook shot.
Both Bill Russell and Wilt played in fast era's of basketball, they had world class athleticism, but the two things that make basketball harder are tiredness, when shooting and the ultimate ability to shoot while under pressure and fatigue, what you gained in entertainment you lost in points?
Today's players play well within their athletical abilities, whilst the players of Bill Russell’s era played above their limits and created extraordinary records that many refuse to acknowledge, that's the hypocrisy of today's NBA historians, they are not scholars of all era's but only the ones that pay their salaries?
Jesus Loves you and wants you to accept him as your Lord and saviour
Why do you feel the need to convert everyone then ?
@@theuniversegalaxynba to save people from eternal hellfire????
So odd how two groups of people always think there way is the only true way and everone else is wrong and going to go to hell then.
Why pray to a human being (prophet Jesus - peace be upon him), when you can actually pray to the GOD who created prophet Jesus? (ALLAH SWT means GOD in arabic)..
“Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed.” [Mark 1:35]
“But Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed.” [Luke 5:16]
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@Infinite Onslaught thats your weak opinion that you never took the time to research otherwise
I almost fell asleep.
I don't pick Jordan over him. This man won how many Championships really. And as a coach to. I pick Russell that's easy. Kareem would be next
The league couldn’t survive as Bill as the GOAT. No one wants to be like Bill. People want to be like Mike.
It seems pretty silly to consider Russel close to MJ given the eras. And baseball has always been a sport of individual skills.
It's only silly in the minds of you Michael Jordan fans. Because you people are brainwashed by the Michael Jordan loving media. But hey, if you really believe you're right, you can go on my program, and we can go over everything that you wrote.
@@theuniversegalaxynba Tim Duncan fan here but it's not fair to compare those eras. Just look at the old films and the old stats - they were playing a different game back in Russel's day. It is cool to get a response from the video maker but it's insulting to hear that I'm being brainwashed by the media. Let me at least have a stupid opinion on my own.
Ok so there are many problems in your second post. So again if you disagree you can go on my program. When it comes to both of your posts you have no idea why your takes are questionable, but if you really want to know, let's set things up, would you like to go on my program?
Wilt is the GOAT hands down
KAREEM is the GOAT!
@@dc4690 Yes
@@georgeoshust793 Wilt was blocking Kareem’s sky hook with bad knees and as an old man.Kareem was eleven years younger then Wilt and Wilt was still able to handle Kareem .
@@georgearmour5259 You must be talking about Dennis Awtrey. Because when KAREEM and WILT went head to head KAREEM destroyed WILT! You must amnesia Mr Armour
@@georgeoshust793 Did you ever see video of a playoff game that Wilt blocked Kareem’s shot five times in the fourth quarter .Once again Wilt was eleven years older playing on bad knees and held his own against Kareem.Chamberlain was twice the rebounder Kareem was even as an old man with bad knees still out rebounding Kareem
Baseball is not the team game that basketball is. One person can make a huge difference in Basketball, but not so much in baseball.
These are the kind of things that only a Michael Jordan fan would come up with.
Check out the impact Triple Crown winner Frank Robinson had in 1966 during his first season with Baltimore after The Reds traded him to the Orioles. The Orioles were competitive in '65 but in '66 dominated MLB, destroyed the Dodgers in The World Series which led to Koufax retiring and Drysdale mumbling to himself for the entire following season of 1967.
@@chaplainjoseph4444 I'm sure if we analyzed the data, Frank's contribution to the Orioles' turn around was just PART of the reason they improved. A big part, sure, but not more than half of the improvement. I know he won the triple crown that year. I was a Dodger fan! The WS had nothing to do with Sandy's retiremnet. The fact that he could hardly move his arm thanks to arthritis was the main problem, and he didn't want to spend the rest of his life with only one working arm. He only pitched one game in that Series. It was the famous game where CF Willie Davis made three errors in the fifth inning, allowing three runs to score. They were the only 3 runs Sandy allowed. The scores in games 3 and 4 were 1-0 Orioles, which tells the real story of that team's turn around......good young pitching developing together, beting a terrific Dodgers' staff. The Dodgers of that time had a notoriously underpowered offense. LF Lou Brock led the team in HRs the year before with 12....but they still won the Series thanks to their pitching.
BTW, Sandy only pitched one game because they started the Series on a JEwish holy day, so he couldn't pitch opening day, which made him a hero in NYC to both Jews and Catholics in his hometown of Brooklyn,, who admired his religious fervor. the year before, it was the same thing, but he won games 2 and 5, then came back to pitch a two hit complete game shutout in Game 7 on two days' rest! He had God on his side....