Justice League vs The Snyder Cut - Score Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
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What a difference a score makes! Zack Snyder's Justice League AKA The Snyder Cut is finally here! There are a lot of opinions going around about the film right now. We're going to look at differences between Danny Elfman's score for the 2017 Theatrical Cut and the far superior Junkie XL score for The Snyder Cut.
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The flash reverses time score was the best.. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse..
@MythMachine was obviously unable to make a comparison for that scene because .. let's be real. It really cannot be compared to anything else. That scene was THE BOMB. My heart stopped beating when time stopped for the flash. AMAZING #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
@@lay5947 -- I gotta admit, that scene was so perfect, so redeeming, so glorious that I think I was on the verge of tearing up. I don't think that I've ever seen anything like it, which made the experience even more epic.
imagine see this scene at the cinema and hear the score kicking in!
My favourites are Superman Rising, The Foundation Theme, At the Speed of Force and The Will to Power
So true, I am a designer and the Flash theme helped me to do some kick-ass creative work :D
I can't believe Justice league 2017 didn't re-use Hans Zimmer's Flight theme
Doesn't match with the moustache Superman
@@219saivamsi6 😂😂 Nicely done
@@219saivamsi6 yep that Josstice league didnt deserve it
When Junkie XLs Superman theme played when he showed up to fight Steppenwolf I cried.
Me Too! Several Times
Tears of joy here
bro same 🥺
I freaking cheered when it played. Last time I remembered it playing, was when Supes learned to fly in MoS, which of course showed the potential of what Superman could become. Then it played when he fights Steppenwolf (if it played in BvS, I missed it), and it shows that potential has been reached
@@captainvader921 That is a great way to look at it. I got emotional over it because it is, I feel, the one piece of music that best represents not only Cavills Superman and Man of Steel, but the SnyderVerse as a whole. And to be denied it in the theatrical cut was very disheartening.
The idea that Josstice League score can be dropped on Tom & Jerry perfectly sums it up. The score felt so safe stock music that would fit anywhere. You could drop the score on random action movie and it'll work. Junkie XL score on the other hand tells a story on its own.
If cinema is about "show - don't tell" Junkie XL score helps a lot with accomplishing that. You don't need the words. In fact half the scenes in Zack Snyder's Justice League would work well if dialog was music but music was kept there.
One thing I really loved was the coda to Hans Zimmer’s Superman theme. When Superman catches Steppenwolf’s axe as he’s trying to kill Cyborg, the theme plays big and powerfully over all the brass, whereas before it was only ever played on a piano or in muted tones. The big brass blast makes you feel like finally, after 3 movies, a death, a rebirth, and the assembling of heroes, THE Superman has arrived.
YES that track is like MoS OST on steroids
You read my mind! Word for word! That was the moment he became the true hero he was always meant to be. And the music made that so clear. I love that bit so much. It completed the journey with him.
YES! Me as well. I honestly think Junkie XL did a better job with the Man of Steel theme than Hans Zimmer’s original
@@jdmceach1 I wouldn’t say he did better, I would just say he improved it.
I was a little disappointed that Batman’s theme from BvS didn’t come back very much in favor of a new theme though. The new tune just isn’t nearly as memorable and doesn’t fit Batman nearly as well as the previous theme did, IMO.
The best description I've heard for DC vs Marvel's different takes on superheroes is that in Marvel superheroes = rock stars where as in DC superheroes = gods. In Zack's DC films he is emphasizing the god's amongst men idea and the music mirrors that. The overused Wonder Women music sounds like an ancient religious chant. Same can be said with the song that the villagers sing as Aquaman swims away in the beginning. Those girls are singing a hymn to the god that protects there village and brings them food.
Wasn't the subtitle of one of DCs best games called Gods Among Us?(emphasizing the DC feeling of modern mythology)
@@bemasaberwyn55 Yep. Injustice: Gods Among Us.
Zack and his team were smart to take that approach. I always loved how Man of Steel and BvS explored how regular, everyday people would react to the presence of superbeings.
I love both the MCU movies and the Zack Snyder DC movies, but recently I realized the huge difference between the two, Marvel makes good Superhero Comedys that can be epic, while Zack Snyder can make good Superhero epics that can have good comedy
Also if you looked the leaked storyboards for Justice league 2 & 3,
by the end they were mentioned MODERN DAY GODS
And we aren't even talkin' about at the speed of force.
Yeah, really bummed actually because I'm curious how would Elfman score this scene. Because imo Elfman's Flash theme isn't that bad
@@deronn.j6088 The flash score on the josstice league literally sounds like the old Hulk theme movie he scored.
So something like that probably.
@@quechus13 really? Do have a link tp that?
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Shaktimaan ❤😍
Am I the only one who liked the new Wonder Woman theme and didn’t have a problem with it playing multiple times?
it was used too much
You're not.
@@MonsieurHolmes That Lantern got his fapping hand chopped off
Yeah it was great. But I do agree that it was a little overused.
It was an Amazon theme, so understandably it shows up with her
I don’t know why it bothers me so much that Aquaman still had atleast a shot left before he smashed that bottle
What bugs me is how much he litters in the ocean! Wonder how many seals were strangled with discarded Aquaman t-shirts?
@@TangentOmega Maybe it's because at this point in the film he kind of rejects the ocean's realm
@@TangentOmega Glass is fine. It’s just sand after all
Every fking time I'm like just finish it
😅😅🤣
removing the Man of Steel theme from the Superman entrance is enough for me to know for certain Elfman is over the hill.
Danny Elfman retired years ago. He just forgot to tell anyone.
He didn’t do any favors to what Alan Silvestri built for the Avengers either. I don’t know why he can’t just use things that work instead of shoehorning in his own damn Batman theme.
@@michaelbuckelew Danny Egoman
@@michaelbuckelew not a fan of his style but I give him a minor pass because he scored both movies on short notice and scored JL off of story boards ,he said" it was like scoring an animated movie"
Like 30 years ago.
It's confirmed that Sam Raimi has brought in Danny Elfman to do the score for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Elfman has said that he's going to use Michael Giacchino's Doctor Strange theme the same way he did with Silvestri's Avengers theme in Age of Ultron. Here's hoping that the score is as good as the last time he and Raimi worked together on a superhero movie.
The sound of Danny Elfman's score almost seemed like his heart just wasn't in it. I am sure he did not like that he replaced another composer. It did not feel like it had the same type of enthusiasm as his other scores.
It just feels off because it wasn't his proyect
It just screamed 2000s comic book movie
I also heard he did not have much time to compose when he started
Oh he didn't give a damn that he replaced Tom lol. th-cam.com/video/leqMTu4KgUk/w-d-xo.html
Well imagine being asked to score a film whose musical identity from previous entries you're not even familiar with nor care for 5months before released
These two versions of the movie are probably the best example of how important the score really is as far as setting tone and aiding in storytelling.
I think Elfman’s use of the Wonder Woman theme in that introduction scene is pretty cool... except for the fact that it’s the ONLY time he uses that theme. JunkieXL at least used it a various appropriate times
Now that I rewatched the scene of Wonder Woman over the statue, in the Josstice League -I can´t unsee how the song doesn´t fit with the expression in Diana´s face, Yes she is a godess and a warrior, but she fears for the hostages at the same time. Or maybe this is suppose to be the first time Diana comes back to the world (after walking away from mankind 100 years ago, according to BvS). However Yes the music is cool, but it doesn´t embrace all these subjects at the same time. It´s not until you see the Snyder Cut that you understand the purpose of a scene.
Junkie xl overused it lol!.
You don't have to chant praises about everything about the Snyder cut.
That wonder woman theme was necessary because we've already been introduced to that character before.
Junkie's opera like 'aaaaaaa' is cringy.
Also that first steppenwolf encounter that this TH-camr completely ignored,. Elfmann was waaaay better in that Flash scene ....when flash is running and tips the sword towards wonder woman.
Elfmann is significantly better.
@@rajeebdas1724 Cope harder just because you don’t like Snyder or Holkenborg.
There’s literally no contest for these two scores. It’s not even close.
This is among my all-time favorite superhero films. Man, it was good -- completely left my jaw on the floor once the Flash climax scene started playing. I wish we could buy it on 4k UHD Blu-ray, as well as, the Junkie XL soundtrack. Amazing movie (for me at least).
The Blu Ray will come!
Same man. As a fan of MoS and BvS UE this film blew me away
accordding to one website its coming to steelbook sometime around the end of 2021
The soundtrack is available to buy.
With flash trying to get the sword to Diana , the junkie XL score gives me the feeling of victory when working together
I understand where people say the cry intro in the Wonder Woman theme is annoying but I think it was used so much because when I heard her song when she beheads Steppenwolf is so badass. I was like DIANA!!!!!! Take notes Thor
I loved the inclusion of it in that particular scene. But don't forget, its still too overused. Its used for the Amazons as well which gets super annoying because again, we see them a lot in tne film.
@@iacovoskritz4896 I feel you. Maybe if it was used like 3 times instead of 300 lol
@@iacovoskritz4896 If you look at the storyboard for the second movie, you can see that the Amazon’s theme is supposed to be foreshadowing for Diana’s return to the island.
@@hinatashoyo1748 you're reaching 👨🏻🦯
I have the highest respect for Danny Elfman because he's actually a great composer who did the score for the 1989 "BATMAN" movie, BUT...
His score for the 2017 theatrical release of "JUSTICE LEAGUE" was definitely NOT his best work !
Tom Holkenborg... on the other hand... created a fantastic score for "Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE" which is, BTW, the one true version of the film !
#Restorethesnyderverse ❗❗❗❗
Yup. Elfman composed for Sam Raimi's Spiderman Triology & Batman The Animated Series Also A Little. He Is The Godfather of Superhero Music For Me.
I wasnt tired of the wonder woman music they could play the man of steel music 100x over and i wouldnt get sick of it
I actually appreciated the frequent use of the WW theme. Got me to focus on some serious butt-kicking.
Dude I wished someone made a video on this topic that I lack the technical knowledge of, yet was intrigued by... Thank you so much!!
Your welcome I try my best
Tom holkenberg does breakdowns of all his scores from ZSJL. Idk anything about music and loved the videos. Check them out sometime!
Junkie XL music seems to make us feel the emotions that Snyder want us to be feeling at each moment of a scene, made the scene so much more interesting and make you care about everything that’s happening.
Not just a general single feeling through out the scene like the other guy did, which made the scene feel longer and exhausting.
Snyder cut to me is a audio and visual art. Other version is entertainment.
14:36 The beat of JunkieXL’s score actually synchronizes with each of the heroes landing here
The shot along with the music makes it easily my favourite shot in the film
12:40 now.
In Junkie XL's defense, although he does have his new Amazon chant for Wonder Woman, he still brings back her electric cello theme from Batman V Superman and Wonder Woman (2017). Three times (twice in the hostage rescue scene in London, once more in the tunnel fight against Steppenwolf). Danny Elfman only used it maybe twice, and he swapped out the electric cello for a full orchestra. Because reasons.
This
I disagree with the wonder woman introduction.
Saving her theme when she bursts in to kick ass has way more impact. The orchestral singing in her intro is great as it builds her up. Like "here's our saviour for this moment about to come". So yeah, not using the wonder woman theme until she starts kicking ass was the right call IMO.
It may have been overused, but it works each time for me.
Yeah man I agree I actually like what junkie with that he used that theme when she starts kicking ass is better. I was actually waiting that when will that soundtrack play and when it played I was not dissapointed at all.
I agree 💯
You know what I just realized, WB just pretty much cost everyone their careers in the Josh Weeden theatrical version
Elfman is about to do the score to ‘Doctor Strange: Multiverse Of Madness’ which seems more suited to the tones he’s used to doing.
I'm a huge Elfman fan - from Oingo Boingo to most of his film scores. Hell, his score for Batman Returns is one of my favorite film scores EVER. But in the past decade or so, his film work just doesn't have the same energy and identity to it.
Agree. He has been doing Wallpaper music for at LEAST the past decade.
I loved the WW theme because the vocals connected her theme with the theme for the Amazons. It reminds you where she comes from. I do agree it was a bit overused and the memes are funny, but I don't think it ruins the experience.
I think one thing that Junkie XL's score has over Elfman's is the connective tissue. There is a recurring theme (the main JL theme) that is used in variations for different moods. This brings the whole film together in a way. You can even hear it when the Amazons are stealing the motherbox and are about to get away. I interpret it as a theme for the Age of Heroes. Any teamwork we see is accompanied by this theme. I believe it's called The Crew at War Power.
Also...Junkie XL....thank you SO MUCH for the Flash's theme that creeps in when he saves the world. That guitar paired with the drums is just so GOOD.
The music by Junkie XL (other than WW) fit the film like a glove. It was made richer for it. One such scene that you pointed out was the terrorist attack near the beginning. Elfman's version reminded me a lot of a villains theme in the 1970's Superman films. More whimsical, cartoonish, and light-hearted. Junkie XL's take was much more on point for the situation.
There's a very simple reason behind that; Junkie XL helped shape this universe from the very start. He co-wrote the score for Man Of Steel with Hans Zimmer, and did the same with BvS. The MOS score is just as important to these films as any character to the stories, the percussion, the beautiful piano melody, the powerful "Flight" theme, they are all connected; take that score away, you'll end up with an incoherent film. Elfman slapped old themes that belonged to other versions of the characters on top of these versions that already had their respective themes. Elfman helped butchering this movie, he played a key role in the disaster that was the awful 2017 cut.
Elfman did something that fitted Wedhon's cinema : cartoonish and superficial (and I love The Avengers). Junkie XL did the same for Snyder, a dude who likes to tell superhero stories on a serious and heavy tone, as if they were real stories.
The one dislike is from Whedon
Danny elfman as well
The problem with using Williams theme in the theatrical was that they used it when Superman had amnesia and was attacking the league - they should have saved it for when he came in at the end and saved the league from steppenwolf
@John Madden The theme is the John Williams' one
Really wish I could have unseen the Joss Whedon cut so I could see all these scenes for the first time with the impact of Junkies score
Wonder Woman's music is the most powerful in the movie and it plays as its the music of the Amazon's. Wonder Woman in this movie is representing her people, because unlike in the original fight with Darkseid, they can't be there to fight alongside her. That is why it's a new theme, for her people and family, not just her. Playing during Women Woman on top of Justice made the scene more serious and emotional. Wonder Woman is worried over the hostages, rather than oh time for my known theme music to play as it's my debut. It isn't about Wonder Woman.
As for Aquaman's breaking the bottle music, he's fighting his inner demons. Him drinking whiskey and smashing it to swim off isn't meant to be badass, it's meant to be him trying to numb himself and not care about anything else (thus the king of the seas not giving a crap about broken glass in the sea). Danny's take on that scene completely voided any sort of inner turmoil.
Danny's score felt like background music and at times out of place, whereas Junkie XL's contributed to the atmosphere, emotions, and character development.
This film really shows how being a good composer doesn't always make you a good fit for that movie, the score is one of the biggest differences it really changes the whole feel of the film
the score that was playing when Supes told Lois that she's his world and when he died gets me everytime.
I legit bawl
14:25 - 16:35
Of course, Snyder cut is anyday better. The music is immersive and haunting.
Sorry, dude, but I need more AAAAaaAAAAEEeeeEEEEeeeEEaaaAAAAaaaA
Love that song! ❤👩🏻🗡
Elfman's score aged like storebought white bread
Steppenwolf in 2017 :noob
Steppenwolf in 2021:awesome pro warrior
Another problem with josstice league
Super has no flapping cape
THAT IS A SIN
Great video. I absolutely loved the scores of both MoS and BvS, and I think Junkie XL knocked it out of the park again with ZSJL score. It is so operatic, mythological, and epic. I’ve been listening to the soundtrack non stop! We need more Snyder Justice League with Junkie XL!
WOW Amazing video!!! Junkie's Score is PHENOMENAL!!!
With the Wonder Woman theme, I feel like Junkie XL tried to make her feel like a mythological hero, and it works, but yeah, it's definitely overused. Plus, Wonder Woman already had a fantastic theme in the DCEU and I'd rather have listened to it more than the new one.
Technically speaking, Diana has a combat theme(heard first in BvS), and a hope theme(used when she's beating Ares). This new one is her heritage theme, which fits since we first hear it when we see Themyscira
i think it's just that the vocals are so high pitched it gets annoying after a while cuz a whole many other scores repeat throughout the movie but we don't notice it
The new Wonder Woman theme was amazing! I never got tired listening to it.
Me Neither
wish i could say the same, it took me out of the movie a little the first time it came in but i was like uh okay....by the 4th time i was so done with that theme 😔
Dunno if anyone else has mentioned this. But Elfman only done the first two Sam Rami Spider-Man films. Christopher Young scored Spider-Man 3. I can't remember why Elfman didn't do 3. But it was Christopher Young.
I liked the 3 OST a lot
Wonder Woman in Snyder Cut: *Exist*
Music: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAAaaaaaa....!!!"
It was a great theme, but it was overused, maybe because is a 4-hour cut.
I honestly really like Elfman’s music that plays during the sequence of Flash running around to tap Diana’s sword back to her. It’s very reminiscent of the CW theme for sure, but that’s the only track in his version that never fails to give me chills.
Elfman said he didn't want to use the new themes, he found them "cheesy". He said he wanted to use the characters "original themes", including his own for Batman.
Lol imagine calling Tom and Hans' work cheesy when you are the king of campy musical scoring and you make the whole movie feel like a comedy
Wow! There is so much work in this conparaison video ! Subscribed!
For me, the wonder woman theme was great, but used WAY too much.
The scene where flash knocks WW’s sword into her hand stood out more in Elfman’s version, and I’m glad it did cause it was a cool moment. In Snyder’s, the moment is just as cool as everything else so it doesn’t stand out nearly as much.
And the SUPERMAN THEEEEEME. The MOS soundtrack is my favorite of all time so hearing it come back was amazing. I had no idea it could make such a difference in terms of story. It wasn’t just Superman showing up, it was OUR Superman showing up. Every time I hear it a smile comes to my face.
It feels like Junkie XL had a better understanding of Zack's vision. That especially comes through with the "At the speed of force" scene. Absolutely breathtaking!!
Danny Elfman's heart just wasn't in it.
Great video hands down!!
(but i think you missed mentioning at the first part of your video where BruceW was atop the snowy hills looking down where JunkieXL was actually playing his own version of the Batman theme which was also spread throughout the whole film everytime Batman appears... But all is cool 👍)
I find the Wonder Woman new theme quite interesting and awesome. I really liked it and noticed this theme to listen again and again.
Danny Elfman: Circus music, flamboyant style that would be perfect for a Tim Burton Batman movie.
Tom Holkenborg/Junkie XL: serious drama and thriller music inspired by Hans Zimmer´s music in the Nolan (Batman) trilogy and in MoS and BvS.
WB executives: watching the Snyder cut before the theatrical release of Justice League in 2017: You know what would be great? To let Danny Elfman compose the music instead!
The rest is history
I'm not familiar with the process here but I believe before the score is made, the director would have discussed each scene with the one doing the score, so intent of the scene would have been explained. Zack was creating an epic movie and he would have discussed that with junkie xl. Whedon was just, whatever, the executives want their bonuses and Elfman was talented enough to pull it through.
In junkies version, while the Amazonians are running away from Steppenwolf the trumpets match that of the Flash reverse time scene. Quite literally both running for their own lives as well as the fate of the world.
One small correction: Christopher Young wrote the score for Spider-Man 3, not Elfman (due to a falling out with Sam Raimi).
Danny Elfman did come back later on to help
I love Danny scores from previous films. The problem I have is the cognitive dissonance caused by using 30 plus year old themes for certain characters. In conjunction, the Amazon theme by Tom is more appropriate for Diana's appearances. I say this because the Wonder Woman theme is a combat theme, not a character theme(before people come at me, the use in BvS was to underscore how Diana isn't the kind of woman Bruce knows)
@MistaJ2002 I don't disagree
2:48 The only thing that’s missing is a mention of that absolutely epic, haunting theme with the rising and falling strings as Batman treks over the mountains.
Every score in JL 2017 didnt fit any scene, it was OFF.
my god when i heard that OG Batman theme, i wanted to punch myself in the gut so bad and i dont even wanna start with the OG supes theme.i never hated these scores but they doesnt fit at all and im a fan of both the OG scores.
Elfman had right idea but in my opinion he used an old formula. His score feels like other worldly but in fantasy/mystical ways.
Junkie achieved the same atmosphere but his score feels grounded and realistic that syncs with this new world.
Just my 2 cents
Can't believe he didn't cover the Superman theme in the Hero's park fight that was WAYYYYY out of place
There's an entire discussion to be had about the way these two films use leitmotifs.
Elfman aggressively avoids using the leitmotifs established in this film series (with the exception of Wonder Woman for some reason), and instead opts to use legacy themes that have no ties to these iterations of these characters.
Junkie XL on the other hand extensively uses the leitmotifs and themes established in prior films of this series, even writing new ones for characters like Batman who didn't have a theme of their own yet (you can hear his theme played by the horns at about 3:01). Of course, Junkie XL does overdo it at times, mostly with the Wonder Woman theme. He's got a few videos on his TH-cam channel where he dives deep into his score for this movie. So for anybody remotely curious about his music in this movie, I'd highly recommend taking a look at that. It's a very interesting peek behind the curtains. The dude literally pulls up the project files and walks you through how he created certain themes.
Sitting here watching this in 4k like "Wait this TH-camr uses Film Grain?" that's extra points from me.
The fact that you even noticed gives you extra points from me
The terrorist scene with danny elfman sounds like from tom & jerry 🤦
Yea doesnt fill the teror at all...
Danny's music was like in an Adventure film while Junkie Xl just gave me emotions
0:58 First two actually from what I've heard. I'm pretty sure Christopher Young composed the music for the 3rd film.
that thumbnail is too perfect
One of my favourite examples of the removal of music in films is the battle in Balin's Tomb in Fellowship of the Ring.
You hear every Goblin screech and sword clashes until the Troll attacks Frodo.
Now, my favourite example from television is the final scene of Invincible Episode 1. The lack of music makes everything horrifying.
Can't believe i'm saying this, but it's a good thing they cut out Cyborg's story in 2017. the music would have ruined all that emotion
Even though i prefer Junkie XL's score, i think Danny Elfman did a great job with what he was given.
I can't remember how many times I watched ending flash scene.. That music gives me chills even after watching so many times. Dunno which moron thought it was okay to remove that epic scene.
This & his GvK score have sold me onto Junkie XL. Zimmer as a mentor to him really shows in ZSJL.
Also, take a shot every time you hear that singing from WW's new theme. At a certain point, the absurd overuse of it just made me laugh like XL is saying 'Fuck it I'm doing EVERYTHING'.
Tom Holkenborg score is one of my favorite and OMGOSH! Amazing and Epic. But I do have some things that I wish he could've done but other than that, I do love the score more than Danny elfman even if his score does have some good tracks.
Danny Elfman's score feels like a super advanced AI analyzed action/adventure/superhero movies scores from late 80's to early 00's and produced a fitting approximation.
His score was as bad as the movie itself. It was a bad fit.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse you just know!!
Literally, the only thing that stood out in Elfman's score was his flash theme, you could barely hear anything else it was so quiet and forgettable. Idk why they don't bring Zimmer back he made the first two movies magical and fantastical with his scores but Junkie did a fantastic job anyway.
The slight tones of at the speedforce theme during the scene where Flash helps Diana reach the sword felt like a foreshadowing of how hes going to save them all later.
You do a marvelous job in explaining this about scoring "Justice League" . Now my question is: will both of these sounftracks be available on DC ?
Danny Elfman's score is very generic and doesn't convey any particular emotion. It's just a generic, by the numbers action movie score. Junkie XL's score builds momentum and ends up filling fuller than the Elfman's bombastic purée thanks to better instrumentation and more layers of sound.
Tom Holkenborg (JunkieXL) has a recurring theme that's always in the DNA of the score which i love... and ramps up and down accordingly (like Cyborgs) everything is organic... As far as Wonder Woman's yea.. I didn't notice it too bad until it was brought up, but there could have been some other chords from that chello played to hint the full blown WW track... without ramping it all the way up... But Junkie XL all the way imo... Not to mention he had to make a huge part of this score over again... On the Vodka Stream he stated once he left, he used some of what was going to be on Zack's version elsewhere etc... so he went and rescored a lot.
(I do wish some of those Trailer 1 and 2 composers get their time to shine if we get more... strait chills... "Fragments" and "Ryokuzen" or however the song is spelt lol... absolute fire.
JunxieXL's score adds weight to the scenes, whereas Elfman's score is completely generic. JunkieXL tells a story, Elfman just punctuates things that happen.
I felt the wailing vocals for Wonder Woman’s theme worked phenomenally during the bank heist scene, during the bit where the Amazons prepare to fire the sacred arrow, and during the part where Wonder Woman decapitates Steppenwolf.
For the rest of the scenes with them, it did feel repetitive. So in my opinion, they worked best during scenes that were absolutely poignant and had heavy meanings to the overall plot and character developments.
The flash theme i was blown away when he saved the world..
Danny Elfman is just a boomer who doesnt know that hes past his prime
I just don't understand what problem some people seem to have with the music Junkie XL uses in establishing shots of Wonder Woman. First off: it's not her "new theme". Her theme is still the Hans Zimmer theme from 'Batman v Superman', and that kicks in the moment Wonder Woman actually goes into action - like when she starts whaling on the terrorists or charges into battle against Steppenwolf. The music for the establishing shots - that Middle-Eastern style vocalizing - says who she is: it references her mythical and mystical roots. It sounds like the muezzin "call to prayer" you hear every day in Muslim countries - like Turkey, which some legends say is where the Amazons come from (Themyscira was supposedly a city on the banks of the Thermodon river in Anatolia). You'll notice Junkie XL uses the same music in establishing shots of Themyscira. I feel as if every element of the music in the Snyder cut has both meaning and purpose, and that's one of the main reasons why I think it's far superior to Danny Elfman's score for the Whedon film. Elfman's done a lot of great work in the past, but his score for the Whedon 'Justice League' felt rushed, too lightweight and completely out of place.
Excellent video.
It pains me to say that as a 80's kid, but Junkie XL's versino BURIES Elfman's. Plain and simple. Elfman's is awfully generic, it's Elfman doing Elfman. Junkie XL's has soul. It's a tank with a soul.
As soon as I heard what Junkie XL's composed for the (failed) heist scene, at the beginning, I knew it was gonna be much, MUCH better. It was. Like the Snyder cut.
A composer is a human being. And as anyone else if the movie is good He can feel it more. If He feels it more, he can compose better scores. That means Josstice League was so trash that even Elfman couldn't do anything to save the day.
That been said, My preferred composers right now are Zimmer and Junkie XL. They literally made the best scores of the best movies in the last 20 years.
No lie, I can't tell you how much it means to me seeing percussion shine as a driving force in the score! It's so nice to see it at the forefront, and not limit it to the occasional cymbal crescendo or the single timpani hit that gets drowned out XD (not that I'm looking down on that side of percussion at all!)
Best Snydercut break down video yet. Good job!
Love junkie XL’s score especially his JL theme makes me feel like I’m watching a DC animated film makes me want to see more from this universe or multiverse if u will #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
I HATE how Elfman truncated Wonder Woman's theme. And the electric cello packs more punch.
I would argue there's literally ZERO argument that the Aquaman score in Joss's JL is even close to as good. It gives us NOTHING about the character's emotional state of mind, other than the idea that he's at best a badass, and at worst, a dick who just doesn't care about anyone but himself. His entire arc for the Snyder Cut really DOES set up the Aquaman movie WAY better than the practically non-existent arc in Joss's cut. I mean, it tells us EVERYTHING we need to know. That Aquaman is not just a badass with no depth.
That he's actually a wounded man, hurt by his mother's death, who feels lost, because he doesn't fit in on the surface, but he doesn't want to be King or to go back to the sea. It's appropriately somber and gets across very well that Aquaman is MEANT to be king, but that he's not ready yet. That he resents Atlantis for taking his mother away from him. In the original scene, you get none of this. Just a rock song to make it seem badass and cool, like Aquaman is an angry dude, at best, and that's it.
Junkie XL gets this character's story. And his version works. Neither is an actual theme for the character though, and it's not like the Wonderwoman theme, Batman, or Superman themes. Which are all really memorable, and great. Junkie XL proved himself to be a great composer when he worked with Hanz Zimmer on BvS, and I'm glad he finally got a chance to show he's a great composer when he's doing it alone.
i noticed the WW theme was overused the second time i watched the movie.
I loved the Danny Elfman theme of Flash running to assist WW.
I agree on the flash scene, I really liked the feel of that specific score.
Agree. But that is because I liked Elfman's Hulk OST.
The wonder woman theme with junkie xl was cool and having it in every scene was the best thing I ever heard never gets boring or annoying
10:00 Generally, I prefer Junkie XL's score over Danny Elfman's, but I do love that Elfman included a little bit of Dies Irae in his sequence.
Elfman's flash theme is a rework of his theme for hulk (2003) and I'm pretty sure he uses some cues from the nightmare before christmas elsewhere. Pretty lazy.
Thanks for this video
Christopher Young composed Spider-Man 3, ironically the Black Suit theme is the most iconic of the trilogy because of meme culture.
@MythMachine One difference I thought was incredibly smart, was JunkieXL's kind of "machine pop" if that's a thing, when Bruce goes to Barry's hideout... It puts you in the quirky space Barry is during "Stop right there... I'm in..." and "Can I keep this?" Although I like Ezra as the Flash, I feel some of his delivery is forced or the writing is... Either way, I felt that specific scene just with the change of music totally makes it now work...
More so, making future scene's w/ Barry less cringe, because we see him for example, at the mercy of Superman about to fry him at Hero's Park, or when Victor basically advises Barry to get serious "Barry!" during the "With the power of love" line while planning the assault.
So we're brought more into the socially awkwardness of Barry, *slowly... given understanding before revealing his nature. Which feels more natural... One thing I still can't stand is when he meets Alfred lol... That look, i dunno... It puts a smile on my face, but only because he looks so goofy lol...
There needs to be some Costume reworking imo... But I'm all in #RestoreTheSnyderVerse It'd be nice not to have to tweet and petition to get each installment... and have them be just as high caliber as MoS or BvS (love them or hate them) in terms of flow and the overall Solid nature they're presented...