Justice League vs The Snyder Cut - Color Comparison
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What a difference color can make. Zack Snyder's Justice League AKA The Snyder Cut is finally here! There are a lot of opinions going around about the film right now. We're going to look at differences between Joss Whedon's color grade for the 2017 Theatrical Cut and Zack Snyder's color grade for The Snyder Cut.
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Diana wearing dark/black at the end makes sense: she's in mourning. She knows that Steppenwolf attacked Themyscira, she doesn't know of the extent, but that certainly some of her sisters perished.
Honestly, I felt so bad for her, Steppenwolf gaslighted her so hard, assuming he knew that she couldn't go back and check. Just the thought of living through years of missing your family and home, and then being lied to and told something horrible has happened to them. Even though you can feel like it's a lie, you still can't ever go and confirm for yourself and that unknowing just kills you. I honestly can't imagine how scary that must be.
@@UltimateAnime54 that's why she says 'no' and is rejecting what the Wolf said during the final battle
@@UltimateAnime54 why she can't go back?
@@user-rp6fz2th7x She is not able to return to Themyscira, as it is a hidden island. If I remember correctly, Snyder did plan to make it so that she finally gets a way to return there and bring the Amazonians in the big fight at the finale of Justice League part 3 (which we'll never see now).
@@Urizen777 If I’m right, then the scene of Diana’s death is probably from the second movie since the Amazons face off with the furies in that movie.
Zack Snyder's color grading is like a renaissance oil painting.
Reminds me of the art style in the bedtime story of the old gods in Wonder Woman
More evident in 300. Every frame is like an oil painting.
He utilizes chiaroscuro style.
For me when I saw each movie's colour, Whedon cut felt like a live-action cartoon: bright, pop, & a bit cheesy. Meanwhile, Snyder cut felt like a graphic novel came to life: gritty, serious, & has stronger contrast between lights & shadows.
That's the best description. Which is why Weddon's version didn't work visually
That's also why most Disney live action remakes fail
You can't translate the vibrancy of animation into live action.
you seen aquaman? too much color
@@thesimpledude186 In Aquaman the color was fitting. It gave the underwater world a very cool aesthetic that we hadn't seen since finding Nemo
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ that's for underwater, but above the sea?
@@thesimpledude186 Well the colorgrading was actually good above the sea so I don't see where the issue is
Aquaman didn't have any orange night scenes or anything else similarly stupid.
I knew as soon as i saw the dogshit color grading in the 2nd Justice League trailer that the Whedon cut was going to be a disaster.
I remember that trailer was so saturated that it gave the Superman hologram a pink cape.
@@zhengyingli it’s like the color grading you’d use in a teen comedy. Idk what he was thinking.
@@jello4479 He didn't want to scare the bloggers. 😂
yeah, from the 2nd trailer, you can feel something not right about the movie is happening. I can't get hype like the first trailer.
About ZSJL, both trailers are great.
Can we just normalise calling it Justice League? Justice League vs the Whedon cut.
Justice League vs josstice league
@@vijaeaanchanan1123 yeah Josstice League
in an ideal world i would love to forget the existence of josstice league completely
@@vijaeaanchanan1123 Right
@@justiceleague-wo1zs Normally, I try not to act like _"this movie doesn't exist"_ because I think it's very immature to do that. It's like, just because you *_wish_* it doesn't exist won't result in it magically cease existing.
But in this case, I truly wish _Josstice League_ didn't exist just so we could straight-up call the Snyder Cut _Justice League._ I already had some jerkoff try to correct me on just calling the Whedon Cut _Justice League_ rather than _Josstice League,_ but I refuse to give it that satisfaction.
They also removed the baby basket in Josstice League and put a box. Really hate what they did to the movie and characters. ZSJL is so much better and epic.
The box is in cgi?! Man fuck WB!
@@Seras99
Yep. Is CGI.
I need some context here.
What a discovery brilliant!
I like Zack's color grading...it was one of the reasons why I like his films...don't get me wrong...we need color but the ominous and gloom sets up for intensity and drama(like you know it's serious and things are more grounded)...plus the highlights of color in Zack's pallet just pulls me in...
Amen
The way this film was originally shot wasn't meant to be color graded like Joss Whedon. Zack relies more on the lighting rather than color to make the characters pop, notice that he uses keylights and backlights in almost every shot so that the characters' physical features look sharp and crisp. There's a noticeable physical depth in the character. So it's not as simple as desaturating and turning up the contrast.
Whedon simply removed all the shadows, cranked the saturation and added a blue tint. That's it.
And I hated that. If he wanted to crank up the saturation, that's fine. Because I do like saturated color. But getting rid of all the shadows and contrast was the WORST thing he could've done for the image quality.
Whedon actually didn't add a blue tint, in fact he tuned down the blue and other cool colors from the initial Snyder-era 2016/Early 2017 trailers and replaced them with overly warm reds and oranges. ZSJL actually has more blues than Whedon's cut, but not as many blues as Snyder's original "compromised" cut which was weird to me. Like the March 2017 (Snyder) trailer had blue skies in the third act, while Joss made them orange and ZSJL makes them almost pure grey with a few blood red highlights (Apokalips fire and brimstone aesthetics I guess). It's a bit odd.
@@cjkalandek996 problem is, you can't have something both overly saturated and heavy in contrast, you'll get yourself an Instagram reels filter. The fighter the contrast, the lower the saturation. And the opposite. Finding the balance is key, every colorists knows that. So I guess he had to conpensate the overblown saturation with reducing the contrast, especially in the lows. Or they just went with the whole "make it pop" bullshit. With that being said. Artistically the josstice League grading is shit.
Zack's cut has so much texture and depth. Whedon's cut looks like a pop music video. I don't think it really fits the tone and themes of the movie at all.
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With Zack Snyder’s color scheme, you’re able to see more detail in every frame. It’s also more visually appealing, despite its desaturation in color.
I disagree. The contrast and blacks are beautiful, yes, but most of the time when there's no backlight, the color grading muds the subject with the background, it gets a bit murky
@@facuuaf I agree with the original comment. I think people don’t realize how much personal perception matters, what works for one doesn’t work for the other. For me, I can see everything clearly in Zack’s desaturated color schemes, rather it’s the more colored ones where it becomes murky.
@@facuuaf dude in joss whedon color grading everyone looked like their skin was roasted in fire
He utilizes chiaroscuro.
I tend to be a very colorful person, and like the more colorful palettes usually, but I agree, the more contrasty pallete of Snyder works much better for this movie, and I'm glad that's the choice he made.
The problem with Josstice League’s color grading is that the film wasn’t meant to be in that color grading. That means that the CGI and VFX, which was made for a different color grading, is artificially changed, making it seem off.
Someone mentioned that Whedon didn't use any color grading and that still makes me laugh. Many scenes look like a tv film. Reminds me how much I hate the cinematography in Age of Ultron. And bruh. The film grain in this video is sick!! Makes your channel stand out.
Honestly, the cinematography from _Age of Ultron_ was better than the first _Avengers_ movie. My problem with the color grading and cinematography in _Age of Ultron_ was it's like it was color graded to give it a darker tone, but the movie isn't really *_that_* dark.
Josstice League is children's coloring book come to life
The colour tone of Josstice League makes my eyes hurt!
It’s an assault on my eye balls
Same
But Zack color grade is dark makes my eyes won't hurt
looking at the same gotham harbor fight scene, batman looks more menacing, even when he is on the roof top with diana, barry, vic and gordon, his face looks almost pink in josstice league, but in snyders it looks natural and more foreboding
The color changing this movie had reminds me so much of Harry Potter movies that got darker as time passed.
Well, to be fair, the _Harry Potter_books and movies took on a darker tone as they went on, so it made sense.
In Zack's cut when the league proceeds to go at STAR labs. The scene of Batman watching from afar in a construction site(I believe), if I heard it right, I think Junkie and Hans borrowed a slight music theme from Christopher Nolan's the dark knight trilogy, though I am not entirely sure, I just thought so because Batfleck's theme at that time sounded similar to the Batman's(Nolan's movie) iconic theme which is a great addition by the way in my opinion.
Snyder's colors are beautiful. Got me thinking I actually need to learn proper color managing for my photos so I can achieve a similar aesthetics.
Anyone know what terms to use to describe it/the techniques necessary? Bleach bypass was mentioned here, anything else?
no they're not they're dull and boring, the reason its even that color is to hide the ugly ass cgi
I love your intro
Thanks!
I like Zack's color skeam.
I love the brighter/saturated color tone. It hooks me and reminds me of a graphic novel.
Recently found this channel, it deserves so much more attention
Guessing we’ll get an editing video next.
Josstice colors are unnatural Disneyfied trash. Snyder's is naturally shot for it be meant saturated and dark.
I think Snyder’s color grading is better and more appropriate for the story. The over saturated colors really shows off the costumes, but it gives the overall movie a brighter more cheerful tone than what the story implies. And the Whedon color grade does make it look more cartoonish and goofy. Like the scene with the Amazonians being chased down. The bright and saturated color palette clashes with the sense of doom and danger the scene is supposed to convey. The overly saturated ending battle in Whedon’s version makes it again less serious than it should be and kind of makes it look like a video game cut scene. I will say though that there were places where the brighter colors would’ve been very appropriate- like the reunions scenes or the ending scene where Bruce buys the house back. Too much of a dark and cold color palette can get tiring if used the entire movie and doesn’t change even at the victory. I like when there is a tension and release approach - it gives a break and a sense of satisfaction for the journey that the viewer and character have been on. I also like movies that have a dark plot line, but I like them to end on a satisfying note that makes the experience feel worth it - and bright saturated warm colors at the end do that.
Well guess I'll say it.
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Josstice League didn’t have many true blacks. One thing that made me love the Snyder Cut is because it has true black values which really help.
Jesus Christ i cant get over the old Steppenwolf design, what a tragedy good lord. Looks like a halloween costume.
People can complain all they want about Snyder's color grading. 99% of the time it fits.
Of course. All the movies released now likes the foggy style. People don't have a choice.
is it weird that i want a middle point? something around the colors of wonder woman or birds of prey; cool, not catoony but still can see colors pop
Josh Whwdon ramped up the saturation and colour and made his version feel like an 80's sitcom. Snyder, on the other hand, really captured the dark tone of DC with his version, and yet you still feel the humour and heart of the film
Snyder's is much, much better
I have no problem with saturated color. But the color grading in _Josstice League_ has little-to-no contrast (which, to me, contrast gives the image depth) and it makes the bad VFX stick out like a sore thumb.
From a point of view of casual, Snyder color sucks, I mean some scenes are good but atleast when the scene is outside you should be able to distinguished colors, look at aquaman swimming scene, some outdoor scenes you can't really tell what color they are wearing and it's in a broad daylight, doesn't make any sense, color in fights are good tho I appreciate the dark theme but wrong thing is the color stays throughout the movie whichever scene it maybe
I think keeping these color palette aside the new upcoming DC movies has good color tone like. Shazam 2, Flash
I think they both overdid the color grading. Somewhere between both version would have been best
Whedon made a Marvel film with DC characters
Although I love Snyder, I do feel like his movies can sometime look a little too muted. Still better than whedon though.
The guys at Corridor Digital would disagree with you on Snyder's films being "muted". They talked about that in their VFX Artists React video on both cuts of _JL_ and they said he still technically is getting tonality out of his image quality. It's just his films have a very metallic look to them.
“Over saturated and bright” is fine on it’s own, but Josstice League is so clearly not the color scheme they had in mind when shot it and it just looks so ugly in so many scenes.
Preventing the apocalypse isn't supposed to look like a cartoon
The Amazing Spiderman vs TASM 2 color comparison
The whedon cut looks like a CW show while the snyder cut looks like A MOVIE
Honestly, I think the real best JL color grading is in the 2016 trailer and the March 2017 trailer. They were Snyder-era so they were cooler and more contrast-y, but not quite as monochromatic as ZSJL. They reminded me more of Nolan's color grading (Nolan uses a lot of blue since he's red-green colorblind. Like me!). And Joss, I mean, he just slathered his version in neon orange so, yeah no that was bad.
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Nicely done!!
It's like the chrome and fade photo edit settings.. Lol there are 2 types of people in life😂
Joss Wedens Color Is So Much Better Im A Huge Fan of Saturation Colors
Wow you are doing such an amazing job. SUBSCRIBED 🥳
Thanks Denin!
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I honestly questioned if I was sold a pirated dvd when first watching the snyder cut :-/
I need that Color palette for My work on Photoshop please? :)
were can I watch the color version???
I like Zack’s films but I fkn detest his colour grading. I fkn hate it so much. MOS and watchmen are great examples of where injecting colour into the film would have made the movie so much better.
joss' color grade gives the movie a super artificial, almost soap opera-like look. this is especially apparent in any of the reshot scenes.
Loved the video
Synder and his cult fear colors
I hate both grades. They are way too overkill in either direction
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#ReleaseTheAyerCut
seems bias i personally like the joss one being more "real" doesn't mean it's better saying being dark in a part because its not ever yet doesnt make sense because it always dark if you really want it good than have some dark and some light
#RestoreTheSnyderverse
Zack Should MAke New Resident Evil Movies
Wish I Can do this with photoshop...
joss color grading looks like average kpop cheesy substandard movie
Zack's color grade adheres to the fact that DC stands for Dark Comics...the desaturation, the contrast, the dark tone is what defines DC
No it doesn't, DC stands for Detective Comics. Also, tone in comics varies a lot, even with the same character, mucho more so across the whole universe. And this applies to both DC and Marvel.
@@fernandoerbin6751 that would mean DC comics stands for Detective Comics Comics (just thought it was funny)
Whedon’s color obliterates Snyder’s. It’s a movie about the Justice League. Tone-wise it’s way lighter than Snyder’s previous entries and the color pallet should reflect that
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
Josstice League is one of the ugliest movies I’ve ever seen. It’s just one more way WB and Whedon destroyed this film.
I'm not here to shit on Josstice League. There is enough of that to go around already (and fully justified). My problem with the color grade in the Josstice Cut isn't that it takes Snyder's more muted, moody, contrasty colors and makes them pop with brightness...it's just how CHEAP it all looks.
I'm sure if they post production team had more time to work on the film, the brighter tones would look better. As it stands now...it's just ugly.
People say Snyder's film are drab and too dark looking. I don't see how you can say that if you actually LOOK and absorb the frame.
I like your constructive criticism, well said sir
I think pretending that the Snyder cut is better at everything has a limit: yes, Whedon's color grading is too magenta and overexposed on purpose, and the reshot scenes are lit like a sitcom, but the new color grading is hideous. The first JL trailer, back when Zack was still around, is probably the perfect balance.
Great effort trying to make Joss Whedon’s AWFUL color grading seem like an even halfway decent option, but nah, it objectively sucked. Everything was too bright and puffy and orange/red - it made everything look gross like it was wax or covered in sweat or something due to how it clashed with the true colors and tones, not to mention how badly it clashed with the story and world itself and all the movies that preceded it - and like you said countless times, it was OVERsaturated.
not a fan of black an white will there be a color version?? maybe DVD release
Zack’s colours are too dark for me. It removes the definition needed on screen to appreciate the attention to detail. Look at when they disembark the Flying Fox, you can’t see the landscape or wildlife, the costumes don’t pop and Wonder Woman’s skin doesn’t even glow. It’s a shame because of the amazing cinematography and wardrobe the movie gives us.
Joss’s edit actually feels like the superheroes are bringing some Heaven to earth. It’s bright and hopeful and the characters still feel real but divine; they are warm. I don’t think they need to be desaturated to make it gritty or down to earth because it’s comic book fiction and doesn’t need to be as serious as Lord of the Rings. Desaturation on pale skin is often a bad idea in my view and Cavill and Miller suffered from that creative choice but even on darker actors it can sometimes make them look clammy and muddy.
That said, Zack clearly made the better movie but there was still dialogue and a few scenes in the theatrical cut which were actually better than ZSJL. What’s unclear is if those rewrites were Chris Terrio or Joss Whedon but good film making is good film making and no one director/writer/producer is the oracle of silver screen. Based on their past successes there’s a lot to learn from both Snyder and Whedon but the latter should’ve stuck to “necessary” rewrites and not disrespected Zack’s work or his actors.
WHEDDON IS BETTER
unpopular opinion - Zack Snyder's movies look super washed out, overly contrasted, blurry mess at times, too reliant on special effects ... in one word - awful
Both have beautiful shots? Dude...
Yup
Because the beautiful shots in Josstice League were the scenes made by Snyder (left overs before he stepped out, approximately 30 minutes of scenes). Joss just added a different color grading. Credits for the "shots" (scenes) goes to Snyder.
Exactly. They’re literally the same shots with different color grades. I didn’t use a single shot in this video that was different between the two. Only differences were vfx and color grade, but the shots remained the same
@@verdugo7974 exactly. Also I think it's execs idea to brighten up
As an average movie goer, I would enjoy Joss's version a lot more. I imagine watching 3 hours of Zack's version I will become depressed and suicidal. lol
Snyder cut is horrible.