@@jaywulf yes, I’m a Pakistani You think we are terrorists? Indeed, No one gives a fuck about what you think If it was an American pilot, you never would have said that.
Is it not possible that the captains arrogance in 'quizzing' the F.O. was his way of ignoring/disguising the fact that he knew his own knowledge of the aircraft and its systems was lacking/limited? Just speculating.
This is the kind of accidents that really piss me off: everyone died just for one single man thinking to be superior to everyone. What a stupid waste of lives!
@@citizenkane2349 It has nothing to do with countries mate. Similar accidents happen elsewhere too, in various manners, such as Germanwings, where a pilot deliberately crashed a jet or an Italian airline.
@@billmartin4093 you are correct, and with so much racism around it is a very fair point to make - but I will say that I have read a bit about this case and heard from a few pakistani people and even people from nearby areas that share some particular cultural similarities that this may have had a lot to do with the culture surrounding authority and seniority. Just something to consider, although this is not really my place to be saying as I am neither pakistani nor surrounding, but where I grew up in asia I saw a some of it. It is a kind of expectance for devout and unquestioning reverence for seniority and authority (often the two are even interchangeable). It would be interesting to hear more about this and in depth from people who can speak on it.
I find it really frustrating that so many of these pilots, when things go wrong, keep turning knobs. Grab the yoke and fly the plane yourself! You can worry about why the autopilot wasn't doing what you expected once you're on the ground.
He could have solved this so easily by disconnecting the autopilot, applying TOGA thrust and pulling full aft on the sidestick. On an Airbus the terrain escape manoeuvre really is that simple
Narcissists don´t take the easiest solutions, just as they don´t listen to anyone other than themselves. He took the most complicated way as to prove to his 1st officer and (which is more important) to himself, how professional and capable he is. In the end, he was the victim of is own ego.
In an Airbus, it's not as simple as grabbing the yoke (side joystick, in this case), but yes, pilots absolutely should disconnect the A/P if the plane's automation isn't behaving as expected. The truth is that some pilots really don't know how to manually fly their bird. This is partly the reason why some automation-related accidents happen. The arrogant pilot was in reality a fool who made himself appear smart by demeaning others. People like him are a real danger to the safety of others, and it's their smugness that gets people killed. If I were assigned to fly with an arrogant dismissive captain such as this, I would refuse to fly with him and likewise raise concern for the safety of the passengers. So sad that those people perished at the hands of an arrogant idiot...
I believe that the crash was completely due to the captain's insufferable arrogance. In my personal experience, those most arrogant have the least reason to be so.
Reminds me of the line in the movie The Hunt For Red October when the one Russian submarine officer says to his captain, "You arrogant ass you've killed us all."
First officer of this flight was a retire F16 pilot from the PAF, a very polite and humble soul known in his squadron. He took early retirement after some medical issues, but he was a brilliant fighter pilot and in Pakistan,if you make it to the F16s, you are simply best of the best. This captain however had no military background and was exactly as described
The first officer is equally responsible as he was not opposing the captain and gone along with most of captains decisions. This made the second opinion worthless and lead to crash.
Obviously the Captain felt intimidated by having a real pilot sat next to him, and dealt with it in the worst possible way.. by pulling rank and not accepting that his right seat colleague wasn’t his subordinate to be dominated but his back up system. It is so sad that the second officer was such a humble man, and allowed this knucklehead to fly not just him but an entire plane full of people way off course and into a mountain. One should really consider the co-pilot to be the passenger’s advocate.. that the safety and the well-being of the plane and the passengers is ultimately in their hands when they can see that the Captain is screwing up, giving them the courage to take charge. I’ve seen a few accidents where the SO has made a critical observation to the PIC only to have it brushed off or ignored. I can’t quite fathom how it must feel to just sit there and accept death when it was within your ability but not your authority to avert it.
I worked with a Master plumber who had that type of attitude. He got crushed to death by a bundle of cast iron pipe after telling an apprentice who'd just warned him about an overhead load to "STFU, if I want your opinion I'll give it to you!" I didn't laugh but I didn't cry either.
Well summed up, sadly however, there are a number of National Types whose very existence is based on the ALPHA 'maleness', an attitude which curtails any and all opposition to such a person's thinking, & attitudes,
horrible situation, as much as we all are appalled by these types of insufferable people's attitudes and arrogance, its a horrific end for him, traumatic for those on site and a tragedy for a family who are blameless are bereaved by his aggression
Guess what, as per report 90% of the Pakistani pilots posses fake license. They acquired them illegally. Few of them have been suspended as well but not everyone. Fly at your own risk btw. Better opt for another mode of traveling.👍
@@prash175 I don’t think that comment does any justice because Pakistani pilots have taught the whole of Middle East and built their airforce from scratch. The likes of emirates and eithad were originally taught by Pakistani pilot. So please don’t make false statements.
@@iftyrehman157 he speak about present situation of pakistan because in pakistan your minister accept this and everybody know in pakistan you have money then you buy certificate from schools college universities and diploma degrees colleges even your one minister said on national media degree is degree even its fake or real . And you said about tought middle east pilots at that time pakistan have experienced pilots which are pass out from western countries and they are real pilots . Just except that truth bro
@@Guntank is there a plethera of fake pilots out there? I was under the impression the humans flying the plane were licensed, certified, trained, experienced, etc.
@@YoMamasCasa Depends on the location. Pakistan in particular had a serious problem with this just a year back where almost 1 in 3 pilots were revealed to have had fake licenses.
@@depalandepalan1911 Absolutely, some also of the Middle Eastern attitudes display also. But then look at what occurred when the Dutch KLM Skipper blasted off,sheer arrogance their was the world's worst on ground collision at Tenarife
This captain was an almost unbelievably arrogant man supremely confident in his own abilities. That he belittled his co-pilot for an hour shows that he was as insecure as he was arrogant! He knew that he did not want to make the left hand approach that night. The further in he got the greater his cognitive dissonance became as each and every time his superior knowledge failed to produce the expected results. He blamed the plane. It wasn't him. He knew HE could fix this. It was his pride that was his undoing refusing all help. This is the only way his story was ever going to end. One wonders if a psychological evaluation was ever done on this man? Thank you. !:-) 🖖
I don't think he was supremely confident or that he refused to take advice because he thought he knew better. I think he was a terrible pilot who knew he couldn't handle it, and he was terrified of being exposed as such.
Classic sign of a man who bought a fake pilot's license from a degree mill, solely relied on the autopilot to fly the plane for him thinking he'd be safe as long as the autopilot did everything, and spewed a whole bunch of nonsense repeatedly to hide that he had absolutely no real qualifications whatsoever. This is Pakistan, too, where 1 in 3 pilots apparently had fake licenses circa 2020.
@@Guntank Spot on that's exactly what I inferred too. The whole story clearly indicated that he didn't know how to land the plane with out computer assist. His aggression towards the first officer was to gaslight him to not scrutinize pilots own incompetence; arrogance is the companion of insecurity. A corrupt failed State like Pakistan has most of their pilots from fake schools. The EU had banned pia from flying into EU airspace.
This has roots much deeper. How did a person like that, totally incompetent as a pilot: cant turn or climb his ship-- (without even getting into his attitude), ever become one for an airline?
I read a news report some time back about a fake pilot license scam in Pakistan. May be this guy is one of those who got in with a fake license or fake experience certificate or something of that sort.
I think this is a pilot that was skilled enough to fly under normal circumstances, and could very well have been a great pilot at one point, but he let complacency get the better of his skills. It happens with good drivers too.
@@jjuuyyttii the pilot deffo wasn't a fake license holder he was a senior captain aged 50 the license scandal was something dating only some years back. He just became too aragunt and aragont his judgment was definelty messed up.
@S J "There are no "normal circumstances" in an aircraft." This is nothing more than a pedantic statement. Normal circumstances is a common phrase with a common meaning close enough to ideal circumstances that the difference in verbage doesn't matter in the context of a comment on TH-cam. "I think you meant to say..." No thanks. I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself. Disagree with me if you want, but don't try correcting me in the most arrogant way. Especially when it's a pedantic correction
@@etherealessence i doubt that he ever displayed great flying skills. apart from the lack of judgment in planning his approach, he tried to “fly” the plane by fiddling with autopilot controls, even when the terrain warning had already sounded. even a mediocre pilot would have shut the autopilot off and gone to manual. avoiding mountains is pretty basic flying.
In my working life as an electronic engineer, I have met people like the pilot: They have a limited to no understanding of their jobs and a very high self-esteem. On ground, these people are very dangerous. In a cockpit, they are deadly. They have a clinical diagnosis: psychopaths /JD
@@mosesjh8272 Dear sir, You just did not understand the point. Maybe you are just heavy in your head. -- Let me make it clear: This is about communication and specifically communication in a cockpit in an airplane with a lot of passengers about to take off from an airfield. That shouldn't be too difficult to understand, mr. Moses. If you have a problem with the above, I would suggest that you typed 999 on your telephone and found help somewhere.
This proves again that being good at memorizing facts when attending a university doesn't necessarily mean your are a smart guy. When something is not as described in the books he's totally helpless.
I remember, this was the most horrific crash of my time. It was such a heart breaking event, as all the Passengers and crew members died, only because of non proffessional attitude of the captain. Brother of my good friend died as well.
This accident beggars belief. I recall during my training with Virgin Airlines, it is an instant dismissal offence if any superior denigrates or doesn’t listen to a junior crew member for any suggestion. It was hammered in that even if a cabin crew member comes to the captain, the view must be considered always. Safety first. No room for ego in a plane. I just cannot get over this. How many times have planes crashed for no reason. Tenerife, this, and many others due to arrogance.
And how do they define a superior that "doesn't listen?" The whole point of having a PIC is that they are supposed to be the most knowledgeable, capable, and experienced person on the craft, able to make critical split decisions in highly stressful and dangerous situations. Having a crew member make a bogus recommendation during a time where a split second decision needs to be made might be fatal. It's clear that in this case the Captain should not have been the Captain, he had insufficient skill, experience, and/or training. Your recommendation here would not have saved the flight.
@@mintymus Look up Crew Resource Management, or CRM. The lesson from Tenerife was that the captain must be willing to listen to the others in the cockpit.
I am not even a pilot of any sort, but even I know when you have one, indeed more than one "Terrain Terrain" warnings you go to maximum power and set flaps/ailerons etc for maximum climbing ability. A tragedy indeed. We're "lucky" that pilot only managed to kill 150-odd people. If he'd continued his career, he might have later flown the newer bigger jets with 300 to 600 people aboard.
My friend was on onboard that flight and i always used to wonder what the reason for the plane crash was. There were even rumors that the plane was in the No fly zone area of Islamabad, hence shot down. Thanks for the clarification on the subject. Airlines should have strict rules and checks on mental health of Pilots. I lost a great friend to an idiot Pilots hand. SAD!
I was 4 and a half years old when this happened. I was still unaware even though I lived in Islamabad. The Margalla Hills were a popular spot for my family and many others, I still remember the smell when I went there after the crash, absolute rotting stench and nothing esle. Put me into a phobia of planes for a long time after that. Great work on the vid!
I don't think the pilot's problem was "arrogance", I think it was the exact opposite. All of his actions match the behavior of someone who knew he wasn't capable of the job, but was trying desperately to conceal it. Other replies have mentioned that there's a problem in that country of people bribing their way into credentials they haven't properly earned. This pilot may have done so, and possibly paid for falsified records indicating that he had a lot more flight time than he actually had. He certainly didn't perform like an experienced pilot. The hour of berating the F.O. makes sense if the pilot had done or said something during takeoff that had caused the F.O. to express surprise about the pilot's ability, and the pilot had to "prove" he had experience lest he be exposed as an imposter. Trying to (twice) get permission to do a left approach makes sense if the pilot knew that the right approach was going to stretch his poor abilities but he could probably handle the simpler left approach. Having the F.O. set up nav points for the right approach makes sense if the pilot knew that he'd botch doing it manually. Brushing off the controller's suggestion makes sense if the pilot didn't know how to do what the controller was asking without exposing himself as a fool. Overreliance on the autopilot makes sense if most of his flying so far had been done via basic inputs to the A.P. for routine operations and letting the plane do the flying, and had little experience with manual flying. Failure to heed the F.O.'s repeated warnings makes sense if he was terrified that following any "correction" would be an admission that he didn't know what the heck he was doing.
The captain was certainly culpable, but so was the system within the company that put such a flawed individual in the left hand seat that day. Selection, training, recruitment and supervision should all have prevented that, but failed to do so. The aircraft, and the passengers and crew on it, were doomed long before it took off by the company senior and line management, as well as the person in charge.
The western world is FULL of this kind of "captains", they are called managers and directors. They often drive big amount of people into the hillside, the only difference is that the "death toll" is not visible hence they are never hold accountable. Respect to the exemptions
A bully captain can often hide his bad attitude from management. All the first officers who fly with him can see the problem but many are afraid to raise their concerns because management will label them “complainers.”
The "pilot" must have been an imposter. He certainly was no pilot. This guy blew off the tower, blew off the first officer, didn't know how to work the autopilot, and, most obviously, didn't know how to fly. These were not subtle errors. He didn't know how to fly a f'n airplane.
I get a sense he was trying to cover up his own incompetence. It would likely have been really interesting if the investigation dug into how he got certified.
I agree with you. I was also offered by one of person after my high school cause I wanted to become pilot , I was offered to pay somewhat 5 million rupees to pass through flight school. Procedures sucked, and while many say they are improved, I refuse to believe.
Look what came out after the recent crash of the PIA flight near Karachi, many PIA pilots flying on either fake or fraudulently obtained licences. It's just a fact of life over there, sadly.
I’ve been watching your channel for quite a while, and still get so pumped when you post a new video. I love watching channels grow, and seeing how far they’ve come since the beginning. Another great vid as always my dude.
@@ashokiimc the soviet sub commander says it just before his own torpedo is redirected into his boat Edit: actually it may be the cartographer telling the commander or some interplay like that
@@Arrowcosmosman not much time. Look up hunt for red October vs. Konovalov. The quote is literally the last second before Impact, ten seconds before the cut
Unfortunately I had lost a good friend on this same flight. He was flying back home with his sister. Both died. I still remember the dreadful news. It's monsoon season in July and on that day, we had very heavy rain and clouds were unusually low. Margalla hills is wher the plane crashed. Now we have a monument there with all the passengers names on it
Young guy took early retirement from Pakistan Air Force. He was US qualified and trained F 16 fighter pilot. As does the wingman, he did not assertively questioned the lead here; who was an idiot.
You’re such a good storyteller. It feels as though you are a good friend, leaning over my shoulder while you point to and explain the pictures and why they’re important.
Arrogance and abusive treatment has no place in a team environment. The captain didn't learn this lesson, and it caused his life, and innocent others as well. Tragic. Great presentation as ysual;; tganks!
How true. The team environment became a toxic environment. It's such a shame that the crew and passengers couldn't safely leave that toxic environment.
Headline: Arrogant pilot who berated his copilot doesn't know how to hand fly a plane and botches autopilot settings while aircraft heads for the hills.
The relationship between captain and first officer--and with flight controllers--is so crucial. I know some airlines have mandated policies to ensure equal status between captain and the rest of the crew. Clearly, in this case, the captain acted in an authoritarian manner and killed everyone on board as a result.
This puts me in the mind of First Mate Bonovia aboard the Alfa class nuclear sub Konovolov during their hunt for the Red October. Having just realized that his Captain's over-zealous and reckless tactics, instead of sinking Red October, had in fact ensured their own demise, First Mate Bonovia, realizing the Captain's mistake, sneered at him: "You arrogant ass!! You've killed US!!" Moral of the story: Don't an arrogant ass.
In all these situations the co-pilot should announce "my plane" and take full control for a go around,if he is wrong all they waste is a bit of fuel if he's right he saves the plane and all souls on board. ALL co-pilots should have this in them,never be intimidated by anyone in life as usually they are the incompetent part of the equation as here.
You are completely correct , but crew resource management does try to put first officer in position were they can question Captains decisions and even take control . Really this should have happened on the landing brief when the captain decided to deviated from approved approach , but i suppose to captain being told how to do the approach was like being told to wear a mask
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout The captain ignored correct approach procedure because he knew better so its really same as not wearing mask because you know better, procedures and rules are there for all our safety
There's a bit of culture at play here. Had the co-pilot even saved the situation, the captain likely would have used his influence to get the guy demoted or fired.
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Yep he even tried to do the circling approach with autopilot, which is NOT what to do. I wonder if all his blustering and "quizzing" and other bullying was to hide his own incompetence? It seemed he didn't WANT to fly the plane?
@@charlotteinnocent8752 It is exactly what to do, he just messed it up monumentally. Jets are moving far too fast to try and follow a precise set of waypoints in a small area such as an airport perimeter, this is exactly why you plot the course with the nav and leave it to the autopilot until you are lined up with the runway and have a visual of it - then you take over.
1970's pilots: "We lost the center engine and all hydraulic systems, we will have to fly and land the plane just throttling the left and right engines as our only controls available". 2020's pilots: "We lost the autopilot, now we go down because we don't have any means to control the plane". *Attach images of Chems.
My brother in law's cousin was on that flight, he was returning from a business trip from Karachi, and was about to get married in 3 months. It was a sad day.
The only problem with that: You are going to reach mentally healthy people with that, but not narcissists. Since narcissists can never be wrong *cough* , why should they receive any input from others?
I work with somebody like this pilot. Arrogant, haughty, self assuming, conseded, doesn't follow orders from supervisors, can't show or tell him anything. His way is the right and only way. Fortunately we're not in the air but he's gonna get someone hurt
I used to work with some of these arrogant pilots when I worked aircraft maintenance. I had nothing but disgust with them. After a while you get to know the pilots who knew what they were doing and the talkers who knew nothing.
We give physicians and pilots God status and it often results in death. I was a truck driver and shared a hotel van with a flight crew. I got to the van first at the hotel and rode up front. After dropping the crew off at the airport, the van driver told me that he was surprised that the captain "allowed" me to stay in the front, his preferred seat in the van.
I used to drive a shuttle that saw pilots several times a day. There were some nice guys but in general, a lot of captains were arrogant and absolutely wanted the front seat. 1st officers were almost always nice and friendly but captains are apparently above it. Trust me when I say there's a lot more arrogance going on than just this pilot.
Doctors demand the god status for sure. I can hardly stand it and try to knock them down a peg. Boy do they get mad!!! But what can they do to me? Not much for speaking up for the needs of the not-so-patient-anymore patient!
The system maybe flawed and pilots can be egotistic but the small pp play of the captain is a major reason for this crash. Smh some people are just not good at being put on the spot. Also, piloting a plane is a team effort you don't discourage your team before doing anything
Agreed, watch the documentary about the Qantas A380 incident and how the crew plus some instructors (who were passengers) really pulled together to land at Singapore, the first officer was just going through all the alarms that had been flagged as there were so many.
@ Mishal.Raheja : hi, Agar Whirlpool in the Samundhar mein , Aakaash tathva landed on Bhoothava ? agar iss landing pressure or Impurity create karee tho tabh kya ho saktha hei ? before use kaa mathalb kya ho saktha hei ?
Note to copilots. Your life plus the passengers' lives are always more important than a job. If certain the captain is a danger knock him out if necessary and take control. But you better be sure.
@@daonlyzneggalz7522 Since the "captain" has killed others with this reckless maneuver, that automatically disqualifies him for the Darwin Awards. One criterion for qualification is that someone is killing himself without affecting (i. e. hurting or killing) others in the process.
It's not about "standing up for yourself." It's about creating teamwork and predictability, adherence to the established procedures, and maintaining a psychological environment leading to good decision-making.
This kind of stuff happens when pilots are not familiar enough with the autopilot functions of their plane, but at the same time feel uncomfortable with hand-flying it. If the autopilot does not do what you want it to, disengage it and fly the plane yourself. That's what pilots are trained to do after all (well, in theory at least).
Auto Pilots do not suffer the false 'Superiority' complex that certain Eastern airlines flying staff appear to suffer, its a fact that a few dollars in the right places gets a pass, NOT the intelligence and knowledge required, often known in the Far East as 'FACE' common from India Eastwards. HONG KONG and Singapore are NOT like this thankfully, I have worked as an ATC, Local and approach controller in those areas for number of years, Major arrogance is a natural attribute in certain nations, Fortunately, due o the very strict Controls HK,Malaysia and Singapore are free of such attitudes, its mainly the nations of the Middle East and India, Pakistan who suffer such problems.
My cousin was a flight crew and she was on this plane when it came back to karachi from UK. Later this plane was enroute to islamabad from karachi. My cousin was not feeling well and she took a sick leave in karachi and against her substitute another flight attendent took her position.
I can’t believe there weren’t glaring clues about the pilot’s behavior before this crash. Former crew members must have said something about this pilot’s mental instability and ego problems. So the airline must’ve known but did nothing. They killed 150 people.
The Captain was definitely to blame for this crash. The quetion is: why would a pilot, with 17000 hours, make such awful mistakes? The clue is his bad temper. That is a symptom of hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar--making situation awareness difficult. Another symptom is "tunnel vision" where a pilot is fixated on one thing and forgets everything else. After this crash, some of the older pilots who retired from PIA (as was this captain) were sacked and I was asked to train them back on to the 747. They told me how this captain had requested leave for that day as he was a highly religious person and wanted to fast on a holy day. He was given the day off but as another captain was not available he had to fly after spending the whole night saying prayers. My belief is that he was fasting, and that, coupled with being awake all night, gave him hypoglycemia. In this state he ignored all warnings. He could have easily eaten a good breakfast (or dinner) and fasted on another off day. When I was Chief Pilot Standards on DC-10s, I knew that the circling approach to runway 12 at Islamabad could be tricky. At 600ft above ground, manoevring in a large aircraft could be a problem. Cloud is rarely at a single height and an inadvertant entry into it would necessitate an immediate go around. So, in clear weather, with a calm wind, I practiced standard circling approaches, marking down on my apprach chart VOR angles and the DME readings. Using this method as a back up I made many approaches to runway 12 on DC 10s and 747s, in bad weather, with no problems. This was not breaking the rules as it was a back up and helped with situation awareness. I cannot understand why the captain wanted to make a right hand circuit--this would have put him on the wrong side for keeping the runway in sight in a low circuit--but then, if he was hypoglemic, his mind would not have been working. I am a firm believer in airline pilots keeping up their manual flying skills and used to fly manually whenever possible on line. My copilots did too. I NEVER bullied a copilot or flight engineer. Their voiced opinions could save all our lives!
With him turning the knobs instead of hand flying in such An emergency really reminds me of the lectures taught by captain vanderburgh. Not really sure if my analysis is correct but he seems to have been just relying on his plane the entire time he was landing. From him ignoring the controller because he was thinking that he can just input stuff on auto pilot and make it work for him not physically turning the plane when the terrain warning appeared but instead trying to adjust it on his auto pilot (if I understood correctly) Like it’s just hot trash throughout
Agreed. After watching so many crash investigations over the years I hate to see the fact that too many of our aircrews have become system managers first and pilots a distant second. Shouldn't there be a control that removes all automation and turns complete control over to the pilot in an instant? Or will there be more automation to take command away from the pilot if there is an inpending disaster?
@@TSWest If you want to remove automation you turn off the autopilot, simple as. Once the autopilot is off the only systems that will interfere with your decision making are if the plane senses danger such as a stall, wherein it will attempt to avoid it. Though if a pilot takes control during a scenario that requires precise flying then the pilot now has to copy the exact route themself or they will slam into something at over 250mph. Jets travel far too fast for a human to control manually unless that human has a clear view of the runway already to focus on it.
This is a common trait in medicine of that part of the world too. The teaching methods are almost bullying the med students into learning, they aren't allowed to think for themselves, they aren't allowed to ask questions, they just have to take it and do what the teacher says and learn exactly as this video demonstrates. That leads to the graduated doctors then doing the same thing, ignoring the comments of those below them (including the patients). Its interesting to see that same culture exists in other workplaces too. But with that in mind I don't think the captain was malicious with his teaching of the first officer, I would think he was trying to help teach him in the way he was taught. If I were to guess the problem may be cultural, and the culture of pilots may need to change in some areas to improve the safety of travel.
The Captain had retired from PIA after attaining age of 60 but was hired by airblue based on his experience. The Co- Pilot was a new hire and probably fresh from the flight School. With all that Bull-Shit by the captain, he couldn't develop the courage to take over controls from him but as per the report he repeatedly warned the captain of impending danger.
@@mairajuddin his wife's blogs are heartbreaking. He has two boys, now teenagers. He was a mild mannered guy . This was the worst crash in terms of deaths and the scene was horrifying. Body parts flung all over Margala Hills... I don't know who is responsible.... But the loss .. loss is too great... Allah bless their souls and give peace to their families...
@@jerry6830 o What the hell r u??? Is this the right time and place to start talking your nonsense?? Keep that to yourself. Whole world believe in a God you ppl r just a little minority dont come to comment section. You ppl have Godphobia and i pity your life. Life without God a depressed life.
@@egoiisticprince7977 Sorry for being straightforward & honest , but I just couldn’t stand the fact where majority of people follow a religion founded by pedophile & killer.. Some ppl seek blessings from such so-called Gods .. Don’t pity my life but pity them who follow immoral & false religions.. Life without god & life with false god both are depressed lives,..
In looking at the "circular pattern" they needed to fly, I'm not sure why that was such an issue?? 🤔 Use the ILS to guide your altitude, then break off & fly a downwind, base, then final leg...I learned that in my first 5hrs.
Bad weather maybe the only thing that would have made a difference is if the bain dead pilot could see the mountain he was heading into 5nm away given that even the ground warning didn't help.
@@rurarararagi3394 yeah I was thinkin' that as well. If they're flyin' that type of approach, you'd think they'd be VFR, so not sure how they got so turned around 🤔...probably the same way car accidents happen, someone not payin' attention.
I suppose he was just lazy and wanted the plane to fly the approach in NAV mode. For some reason that didn't work and he then tried to "hand-fly" it using heading select mode. Which didn't work either because he forgot to switch modes. Everything about this crash screams lazy and badly trained pilot.
Thank you for such a detailed explanation. I’d heard of this case before, but never before with such clear and easily-comprehensive details. What an awful situation, sorry to those 152 poor souls and the ones who’s concerns were neglected too. Hope first officer is in heaven
Even now, you can see the crash site on the margalla mountains, with the burned out area on the mountain while travelling on the margalla hills via road... such a painful reminder !
What do you even do in a situation like this? Even if the FO had been more strenuous in his objections, I'm pretty sure that would have only escalated the situation. That captain should not have been allowed to fly, period.
@@tomstravels520 we can hear them in the CVR that they're "comfortable" even when they're too high on the approach and too close to the runway lol. And they STILL FORCED IT DOWN . That plane was not properly configured to land, we can even hear the terrain warning sound because the plane's computers think its NOT landing . Laziness and Get-there- itis = Fred Flintstone landings
@@tomstravels520 heres another one from 74 gear , on the first compilation which is a cockpit video ..those are the kind of pilots that they have. th-cam.com/video/GFK5vsOUjkg/w-d-xo.html
Maybe it only seems simple to me because I'm not a pilot. Notwithstanding everything before, if the autopilot isn't doing what (you think) you're telling it, disengage the autopilot and fly manually to a safe state and then figure it out.
@@MoominDoogie I think the error with the desired heading dial is the most telling thing. He seemingly forgot its actual function (directing the heading) and tried to use it to *steer* instead. He was no longer reading the numbers on the dial. This sounds like someone who is in a panic and no longer thinking about what he's doing.
These are times when we forget rivalries of our countries. RIP to the deceased. Also the captain was heavily incapable. I'd actually love it if the co pilot (former fighter pilot) would quiz him about the fighter jets.
@@nitsgupta6670 Sad to see schools producing woke kids who have apathy towards their own people (of same faith) but sympathize with the people who are eager to destroy them
Why don’t u show sympathy to the families of the Indian soldiers beheaded by Pakistani army and terrorists?! That country is a cancer to South Asia. Mercy is for the weak and wimps!
@@SS-ix3cb I'm quite a hater of pakistan but just think about it, there were innocent children and mothers in the flight. I hate pakistan government and military.
This problematic hierarchy that seems to pervade certain cultures is causing many disasters in aerospace. This phenomena also extends to the granting of qualifications to people who should not be permitted to operate an aircraft. In this example, selecting "NAV" mode and then questioning why the aircraft does not follow "SELECTED" mode is just incompetence .
kinda remind me back in my first years flying.....captain always ''right''. 13 reports for taking over control did not make me sorry....saved my life and people on board. when safety is jeopardized......and the captain ignore any suggestions, do not hesitate to take over , it is not about your career anymore, it's about responsibility for the people.
A junior officer/second in command can actually take full charge if they see the aircraft is in danger. The rules were changed after one or two crashes due to the incompetance of the captains. There was another recent crash, again in Pakistan, where the overzealous captain approached the runway at above the max height allowed - I think he was an ex-airforce pilot and treated the big jet as a small, nimble fighter jet. The ATC had warned him about being above the approach height limit but he just brushed this aside with the usual arrogance. At near touchdown he realised he would not make it, so decided to go around when he was a few feet from the ground and scrapped the engines on the runway which resulted in all power loss and no height. No one survived.
One thing that stands out to me given some more recent 2020 revelations considering the horrific state of Pakistan’s pilot certification system, whereby something in excess of 30% of Pakistani Certified pilots were found to have falsified credentials. If you look up this accident you find a lot of info on the FO’s past. He was an F-16 pilot in the military, etc. there is almost nothing out there about the Captain beyond 25,000 flight hours with a little over 1,000 on the A320. In hindsight you sort of wonder?
@@andrewtaylor940 military jets specially fighters don't have a lot of gas and usually have a flight time of around 1-2 hours, no fighter pilot till date has 25000 hours. for example The most experienced F-14 pilot had less than 9000 hours.
If I happened to be in that situation. I would've looked at the controls and considered taking control and turning the auto-pilot off to take MANUAL control ASAP. Even if the Captain thinks he is in control of the situation.
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout Did I ever put on a mask? You referring to full on facemasks? If so where I live has just come out of 4 months of lockdown.
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout You don't know me remotely at all. Do NOT try to start anything here. If you do I'm not interested in your trolling attempt at baiting me.
As a retired airline Captain, I have to say that this Captain was an incompetent fool. He stayed with the automation to the very end instead of disconnecting the autopilot and hand flying the airplane. When all else fails, fly the damn airplane!
Unfortunately narcissism overrides rationality and logic. Being the grandiose narcissist that that "captain" has been, disaster was inevitable sooner or later. Unfortunately it struck at a most unfortunate time. RIP to all souls that have been lost because of this reckless behavior.
As a Captain, the First officer isn't a subordinate, he is or she is your best asset.
Did you just call me an "it"? :P
@@elite76 my apologize: English Third Language, and sometimes...
Not in India or Pakistan.
@The fastest milkman in the West A captain shouldn't berate and degrade a first officer for over an hour
@The fastest milkman in the West am glad those types of captain dies early and open more jobs thx
First officer: You shouldn't do that.
Controller: You shouldn't do that.
Captain: How about I do anyway?
th-cam.com/video/yWULCfJ2PGA/w-d-xo.html
@@nitehawk86 XD exactly what I was about to comment.
Ahh, hubris raises its ugly head once again!!!🙏🛬😪
I wonder if it is cultural.
Any Pakistanis?
@@jaywulf yes, I’m a Pakistani
You think we are terrorists?
Indeed, No one gives a fuck about what you think
If it was an American pilot, you never would have said that.
Can we just say that the captain killed all people on board including himself with his arrogance?
Is it not possible that the captains arrogance in 'quizzing' the F.O. was his way of ignoring/disguising the fact that he knew his own knowledge of the aircraft and its systems was lacking/limited? Just speculating.
The worst thing that can happen to you .. dying because of someone else's idiocy and arrogance.
Yeah that pretty much encapsulates it. Too bad there had to be other people on the plane with him.
That captain shouldn't even have a grave. He killed everyone onboard. May he rot for eternity
Yes.
This is the kind of accidents that really piss me off: everyone died just for one single man thinking to be superior to everyone.
What a stupid waste of lives!
Welcome to Pakistan!
another version of the crash, it shows more things
th-cam.com/video/WjowtWAOZY0/w-d-xo.html
VERY DUMB
@@citizenkane2349 It has nothing to do with countries mate. Similar accidents happen elsewhere too, in various manners, such as Germanwings, where a pilot deliberately crashed a jet or an Italian airline.
@@billmartin4093 you are correct, and with so much racism around it is a very fair point to make - but I will say that I have read a bit about this case and heard from a few pakistani people and even people from nearby areas that share some particular cultural similarities that this may have had a lot to do with the culture surrounding authority and seniority.
Just something to consider, although this is not really my place to be saying as I am neither pakistani nor surrounding, but where I grew up in asia I saw a some of it. It is a kind of expectance for devout and unquestioning reverence for seniority and authority (often the two are even interchangeable).
It would be interesting to hear more about this and in depth from people who can speak on it.
What pisses me off the most, is that the captain died thinking that it was the plane's fault, not his.
i think he knew it was himself... but was too arrogant to admit it.
Or probably the hill's fault, what were they doing there anyway?!
What are you talking about? It was obviously the mountain's fault. Why would it stands in his way of flight???
@@paradoxvalestein9118 You've never been on an airplane or watched the entire vide
@@Yesnt0073 there’s this funny thing called sarcasm
I find it really frustrating that so many of these pilots, when things go wrong, keep turning knobs. Grab the yoke and fly the plane yourself! You can worry about why the autopilot wasn't doing what you expected once you're on the ground.
Amen to that!
He could have solved this so easily by disconnecting the autopilot, applying TOGA thrust and pulling full aft on the sidestick. On an Airbus the terrain escape manoeuvre really is that simple
Narcissists don´t take the easiest solutions, just as they don´t listen to anyone other than themselves. He took the most complicated way as to prove to his 1st officer and (which is more important) to himself, how professional and capable he is.
In the end, he was the victim of is own ego.
2,500 ft just isn’t a good altitude for troubleshooting your autopilot.
In an Airbus, it's not as simple as grabbing the yoke (side joystick, in this case), but yes, pilots absolutely should disconnect the A/P if the plane's automation isn't behaving as expected.
The truth is that some pilots really don't know how to manually fly their bird. This is partly the reason why some automation-related accidents happen.
The arrogant pilot was in reality a fool who made himself appear smart by demeaning others. People like him are a real danger to the safety of others, and it's their smugness that gets people killed.
If I were assigned to fly with an arrogant dismissive captain such as this, I would refuse to fly with him and likewise raise concern for the safety of the passengers.
So sad that those people perished at the hands of an arrogant idiot...
I believe that the crash was completely due to the captain's insufferable arrogance. In my personal experience, those most arrogant have the least reason to be so.
I agree wholeheartedly
Reminds me of the line in the movie The Hunt For Red October when the one Russian submarine officer says to his captain, "You arrogant ass you've killed us all."
Well said, Brian.
Amen
Very true. His bad character made him unfit for his profession or perhaps any other.
"The main problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt!"
True
..also look up "Dunning-Kruger effect" . .where people who think they are smart, but don't know how dumb/uniformed/clueless they really are.. .
also the saying "There are no old, bold pilots.." Your either one or the other- very unlikely both..
I may use that quote. It's perfect.
@@blotski
George Bernard Shaw!
First officer of this flight was a retire F16 pilot from the PAF, a very polite and humble soul known in his squadron. He took early retirement after some medical issues, but he was a brilliant fighter pilot and in Pakistan,if you make it to the F16s, you are simply best of the best. This captain however had no military background and was exactly as described
The first officer is equally responsible as he was not opposing the captain and gone along with most of captains decisions. This made the second opinion worthless and lead to crash.
CAPTAIN fault
Now he took a permanent retirement into the side of the mountain
Obviously the Captain felt intimidated by having a real pilot sat next to him, and dealt with it in the worst possible way.. by pulling rank and not accepting that his right seat colleague wasn’t his subordinate to be dominated but his back up system. It is so sad that the second officer was such a humble man, and allowed this knucklehead to fly not just him but an entire plane full of people way off course and into a mountain. One should really consider the co-pilot to be the passenger’s advocate.. that the safety and the well-being of the plane and the passengers is ultimately in their hands when they can see that the Captain is screwing up, giving them the courage to take charge. I’ve seen a few accidents where the SO has made a critical observation to the PIC only to have it brushed off or ignored. I can’t quite fathom how it must feel to just sit there and accept death when it was within your ability but not your authority to avert it.
Perhaps this explains the one hour of berating. The captain knew that his co-pilot was a former F16 pilot. He had to re-inflate his ego. 👎👎👎👎😡😡😡
I worked with a Master plumber who had that type of attitude. He got crushed to death by a bundle of cast iron pipe after telling an apprentice who'd just warned him about an overhead load to "STFU, if I want your opinion I'll give it to you!"
I didn't laugh but I didn't cry either.
Well summed up, sadly however, there are a number of National Types whose very existence is based on the ALPHA 'maleness', an attitude which curtails any and all opposition to such a person's thinking, & attitudes,
and then everyone clapped
@@stellviahohenheim The pipe weighed over 1500lbs and fell from 20 feet so there was no clapping involved.
horrible situation, as much as we all are appalled by these types of insufferable people's attitudes and arrogance, its a horrific end for him, traumatic for those on site and a tragedy for a family who are blameless are bereaved by his aggression
@@ura9390I’m a firm believer in karma. I think it’s a wonderful story.
As a Pakistani, I would have never learnt it from within Pakistan.
Thank You, love your work!
Guess what, as per report 90% of the Pakistani pilots posses fake license. They acquired them illegally. Few of them have been suspended as well but not everyone. Fly at your own risk btw. Better opt for another mode of traveling.👍
Third world countries wouldn't want to learn it unless countries around the world start dissing them to embarrassment lack of logic and transparency.
@@prash175 I don’t think that comment does any justice because Pakistani pilots have taught the whole of Middle East and built their airforce from scratch. The likes of emirates and eithad were originally taught by Pakistani pilot. So please don’t make false statements.
@@iftyrehman157 he speak about present situation of pakistan because in pakistan your minister accept this and everybody know in pakistan you have money then you buy certificate from schools college universities and diploma degrees colleges even your one minister said on national media degree is degree even its fake or real . And you said about tought middle east pilots at that time pakistan have experienced pilots which are pass out from western countries and they are real pilots . Just except that truth bro
@@A.S.Bhullar3602 I think Same is in other countries also
The captain actually ignored the GPWS warnings and the first officer, still couldn't believe that he didnt realize the situation he was in.
Makes you wonder if the captain was having some kind of stroke or other mental issue...
@@YoMamasCasa More likely he was a fake pilot in the first place and was under the impression that the autopilot would do everything for him.
@@YoMamasCasa CURIOUS AS WAS THIS THE NORM FOR CAPTAIN.
IT DID SEEM LIKE A STRESSED INDUCED EVENT.
@@Guntank is there a plethera of fake pilots out there? I was under the impression the humans flying the plane were licensed, certified, trained, experienced, etc.
@@YoMamasCasa Depends on the location. Pakistan in particular had a serious problem with this just a year back where almost 1 in 3 pilots were revealed to have had fake licenses.
This culture of obsessing over seniority, asserting dominance and being the 'Alpha male' is a major problem in eastern countries.
agree
@@depalandepalan1911 Absolutely, some also of the Middle Eastern attitudes display also. But then look at what occurred when the Dutch KLM Skipper blasted off,sheer arrogance their was the world's worst on ground collision at Tenarife
I believe it’s called Confucianism
also in mexico!
@@msi8311you don't know anything about Confucianism. Call it arrogance.
Classic case of crashing the ship to prove you're the captain.
this is so frustrating to see that first officer was powerless even when he knew death is coming
He even called him sir, a few seconds from impact.
He wasn't powerless. He could have grabbed the controls and said "my airplane." Throttle up and pull the yoke back.
@xeldinn86 tells alot abt how u have never worked under a senior.
Problem was his self confidence was obliterated and he didn't know what the captains reaction to that would be@@xeldinn86
This captain was an almost unbelievably arrogant man supremely confident in his own abilities. That he belittled his co-pilot for an hour shows that he was as insecure as he was arrogant!
He knew that he did not want to make the left hand approach that night. The further in he got the greater his cognitive dissonance became as each and every time his superior knowledge failed to produce the expected results. He blamed the plane. It wasn't him. He knew HE could fix this. It was his pride that was his undoing refusing all help.
This is the only way his story was ever going to end. One wonders if a psychological evaluation was ever done on this man?
Thank you. !:-) 🖖
I don't think he was supremely confident or that he refused to take advice because he thought he knew better. I think he was a terrible pilot who knew he couldn't handle it, and he was terrified of being exposed as such.
Classic sign of a man who bought a fake pilot's license from a degree mill, solely relied on the autopilot to fly the plane for him thinking he'd be safe as long as the autopilot did everything, and spewed a whole bunch of nonsense repeatedly to hide that he had absolutely no real qualifications whatsoever.
This is Pakistan, too, where 1 in 3 pilots apparently had fake licenses circa 2020.
give a little power, and people will start act arrogant.
@@Guntank Spot on that's exactly what I inferred too. The whole story clearly indicated that he didn't know how to land the plane with out computer assist. His aggression towards the first officer was to gaslight him to not scrutinize pilots own incompetence; arrogance is the companion of insecurity. A corrupt failed State like Pakistan has most of their pilots from fake schools. The EU had banned pia from flying into EU airspace.
@@Guntank PIA had the fake license problem not airblue
If you compare airblue with other carriers in pakistan it is one of the safest
This has roots much deeper. How did a person like that, totally incompetent as a pilot: cant turn or climb his ship-- (without even getting into his attitude), ever become one for an airline?
I read a news report some time back about a fake pilot license scam in Pakistan. May be this guy is one of those who got in with a fake license or fake experience certificate or something of that sort.
I think this is a pilot that was skilled enough to fly under normal circumstances, and could very well have been a great pilot at one point, but he let complacency get the better of his skills. It happens with good drivers too.
@@jjuuyyttii the pilot deffo wasn't a fake license holder he was a senior captain aged 50 the license scandal was something dating only some years back. He just became too aragunt and aragont his judgment was definelty messed up.
@S J "There are no "normal circumstances" in an aircraft." This is nothing more than a pedantic statement. Normal circumstances is a common phrase with a common meaning close enough to ideal circumstances that the difference in verbage doesn't matter in the context of a comment on TH-cam.
"I think you meant to say..." No thanks. I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself. Disagree with me if you want, but don't try correcting me in the most arrogant way. Especially when it's a pedantic correction
@@etherealessence
i doubt that he ever displayed great flying skills. apart from the lack of judgment in planning his approach, he tried to “fly” the plane by fiddling with autopilot controls, even when the terrain warning had already sounded.
even a mediocre pilot would have shut the autopilot off and gone to manual. avoiding mountains is pretty basic flying.
In my working life as an electronic engineer, I have met people like the pilot:
They have a limited to no understanding of their jobs and a very high self-esteem.
On ground, these people are very dangerous.
In a cockpit, they are deadly.
They have a clinical diagnosis: psychopaths
/JD
Yes me too after i design a circuit diagram the lecturer told me wrong it doesn't work. So I bet with him and yes i won lol 🤣
@@mosesjh8272
Dear sir, You just did not understand the point.
Maybe you are just heavy in your head.
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Let me make it clear:
This is about communication and specifically communication in a cockpit in an airplane with a lot of passengers about to take off from an airfield.
That shouldn't be too difficult to understand, mr. Moses.
If you have a problem with the above, I would suggest that you typed 999 on your telephone and found help somewhere.
@@johndue2366 Oh wow Sorry if i offended you. God Bless take care
Either that, or it's narcissism. Although the reason is different, the problem remains the same.
@@johndue2366 Half knowledge+ ego = disaster
This proves again that being good at memorizing facts when attending a university doesn't necessarily mean your are a smart guy. When something is not as described in the books he's totally helpless.
I remember, this was the most horrific crash of my time. It was such a heart breaking event, as all the Passengers and crew members died, only because of non proffessional attitude of the captain. Brother of my good friend died as well.
sad
This accident beggars belief. I recall during my training with Virgin Airlines, it is an instant dismissal offence if any superior denigrates or doesn’t listen to a junior crew member for any suggestion. It was hammered in that even if a cabin crew member comes to the captain, the view must be considered always. Safety first. No room for ego in a plane.
I just cannot get over this. How many times have planes crashed for no reason. Tenerife, this, and many others due to arrogance.
Wasnt tenerife because of the radio communication not working well?
@@UnstoppableEmpire No, tenerife was caused by a arrogant Captain who took off without permission.
And how do they define a superior that "doesn't listen?" The whole point of having a PIC is that they are supposed to be the most knowledgeable, capable, and experienced person on the craft, able to make critical split decisions in highly stressful and dangerous situations. Having a crew member make a bogus recommendation during a time where a split second decision needs to be made might be fatal. It's clear that in this case the Captain should not have been the Captain, he had insufficient skill, experience, and/or training. Your recommendation here would not have saved the flight.
@@mintymus Look up Crew Resource Management, or CRM. The lesson from Tenerife was that the captain must be willing to listen to the others in the cockpit.
@@wildcatlh How do you define if the Captain is "willing to listen to others in the cockpit?"
How does the "Terrain! Terrain!" warning not take precedence over literally everything else you are attempting to do?
I am not even a pilot of any sort, but even I know when you have one, indeed more than one "Terrain Terrain" warnings you go to maximum power and set flaps/ailerons etc for maximum climbing ability. A tragedy indeed. We're "lucky" that pilot only managed to kill 150-odd people. If he'd continued his career, he might have later flown the newer bigger jets with 300 to 600 people aboard.
yeeeaaah.. 🤦♂️
Its fine, we're just getting a little close is all. We're totally fine. What's that mountain shaped cloud?
@@etherealessence what’s that goat doing on a cloud
My, these clouds are rocky today.
I’m sure the captain’s tombstone didn’t read: “I told you I needed more training”
Dont make me laugh in all this sadness mate
My friend was on onboard that flight and i always used to wonder what the reason for the plane crash was. There were even rumors that the plane was in the No fly zone area of Islamabad, hence shot down. Thanks for the clarification on the subject. Airlines should have strict rules and checks on mental health of Pilots. I lost a great friend to an idiot Pilots hand. SAD!
I am sorry for your loss , its truly tragic , an avoidable humongous loss of life
I was 4 and a half years old when this happened. I was still unaware even though I lived in Islamabad. The Margalla Hills were a popular spot for my family and many others, I still remember the smell when I went there after the crash, absolute rotting stench and nothing esle. Put me into a phobia of planes for a long time after that. Great work on the vid!
I don't think the pilot's problem was "arrogance", I think it was the exact opposite.
All of his actions match the behavior of someone who knew he wasn't capable of the job, but was trying desperately to conceal it. Other replies have mentioned that there's a problem in that country of people bribing their way into credentials they haven't properly earned. This pilot may have done so, and possibly paid for falsified records indicating that he had a lot more flight time than he actually had. He certainly didn't perform like an experienced pilot.
The hour of berating the F.O. makes sense if the pilot had done or said something during takeoff that had caused the F.O. to express surprise about the pilot's ability, and the pilot had to "prove" he had experience lest he be exposed as an imposter.
Trying to (twice) get permission to do a left approach makes sense if the pilot knew that the right approach was going to stretch his poor abilities but he could probably handle the simpler left approach.
Having the F.O. set up nav points for the right approach makes sense if the pilot knew that he'd botch doing it manually.
Brushing off the controller's suggestion makes sense if the pilot didn't know how to do what the controller was asking without exposing himself as a fool.
Overreliance on the autopilot makes sense if most of his flying so far had been done via basic inputs to the A.P. for routine operations and letting the plane do the flying, and had little experience with manual flying.
Failure to heed the F.O.'s repeated warnings makes sense if he was terrified that following any "correction" would be an admission that he didn't know what the heck he was doing.
I agree completely..great psychology analysis...
Damn man that makes a LOT of sense
You have provided the perfect description of a grandiose narcissist.
This time, however, the narcissism turned out to be fatal.
whoa lol
I think the simpler word could be... insecurity.
The captain was certainly culpable, but so was the system within the company that put such a flawed individual in the left hand seat that day. Selection, training, recruitment and supervision should all have prevented that, but failed to do so. The aircraft, and the passengers and crew on it, were doomed long before it took off by the company senior and line management, as well as the person in charge.
Air india overshot runway a few months ago reflected the same problem
Yes. There is no way that the captain became a boorish menace on this one day; other pilots had to have known.
The western world is FULL of this kind of "captains", they are called managers and directors. They often drive big amount of people into the hillside, the only difference is that the "death toll" is not visible hence they are never hold accountable.
Respect to the exemptions
A bully captain can often hide his bad attitude from management. All the first officers who fly with him can see the problem but many are afraid to raise their concerns because management will label them “complainers.”
This isn't relevant to what you're saying but I wonder if the captain actually sits in the right hand seat in Pakistan (like car drivers do).
The "pilot" must have been an imposter. He certainly was no pilot. This guy blew off the tower, blew off the first officer, didn't know how to work the autopilot, and, most obviously, didn't know how to fly. These were not subtle errors. He didn't know how to fly a f'n airplane.
I get a sense he was trying to cover up his own incompetence. It would likely have been really interesting if the investigation dug into how he got certified.
I agree with you. I was also offered by one of person after my high school cause I wanted to become pilot , I was offered to pay somewhat 5 million rupees to pass through flight school. Procedures sucked, and while many say they are improved, I refuse to believe.
@@fahadbutt3601 So these fucking idiots would pass you through flight school for money? Were they assuming you'd fail later?
@@markusw7833 Sorry facts of life over here.
Look what came out after the recent crash of the PIA flight near Karachi, many PIA pilots flying on either fake or fraudulently obtained licences. It's just a fact of life over there, sadly.
There was a report that most of the Pakistani pilots are not eligible for a flight license. This must be the root cause of pilots like this.
This Captain is now Prime Minister of Pakistan!
I’ve been watching your channel for quite a while, and still get so pumped when you post a new video. I love watching channels grow, and seeing how far they’ve come since the beginning.
Another great vid as always my dude.
Thanks Chelsea!
He’s only level 900 right now. Wait until HE’S OVER 9000!!!
"You arrogant ass! You've killed us!" (Hunt for Red October) ... it seemed applicable here.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!
When was this said?
@@ashokiimc the soviet sub commander says it just before his own torpedo is redirected into his boat
Edit: actually it may be the cartographer telling the commander or some interplay like that
Excellent, it is apropos for the moment... but I myself, would never ever be saying those words I would take over forcefully!
@@Arrowcosmosman not much time. Look up hunt for red October vs. Konovalov. The quote is literally the last second before Impact, ten seconds before the cut
Unfortunately I had lost a good friend on this same flight. He was flying back home with his sister. Both died. I still remember the dreadful news. It's monsoon season in July and on that day, we had very heavy rain and clouds were unusually low. Margalla hills is wher the plane crashed. Now we have a monument there with all the passengers names on it
Sorry to hear of your loss, friend.
Oh how sad. I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry...
I hope the Captain's name is NOT on that monument.
@@davecrupel2817 I don't really remember
That captain learned that day he wasn't a pilot but an killer.
FO was polite and professional till the very end. What a legend.
Young guy took early retirement from Pakistan Air Force. He was US qualified and trained F 16 fighter pilot. As does the wingman, he did not assertively questioned the lead here; who was an idiot.
You’re such a good storyteller. It feels as though you are a good friend, leaning over my shoulder while you point to and explain the pictures and why they’re important.
What a great compliment
Weirdo.
What the fuck
Arrogance and abusive treatment has no place in a team environment. The captain didn't learn this lesson, and it caused his life, and innocent others as well. Tragic.
Great presentation as ysual;; tganks!
How true. The team environment became a toxic environment. It's such a shame that the crew and passengers couldn't safely leave that toxic environment.
Headline: Arrogant pilot who berated his copilot doesn't know how to hand fly a plane and botches autopilot settings while aircraft heads for the hills.
The relationship between captain and first officer--and with flight controllers--is so crucial. I know some airlines have mandated policies to ensure equal status between captain and the rest of the crew. Clearly, in this case, the captain acted in an authoritarian manner and killed everyone on board as a result.
This puts me in the mind of First Mate Bonovia aboard the Alfa class nuclear sub Konovolov during their hunt for the Red October. Having just realized that his Captain's over-zealous and reckless tactics, instead of sinking Red October, had in fact ensured their own demise, First Mate Bonovia, realizing the Captain's mistake, sneered at him: "You arrogant ass!! You've killed US!!"
Moral of the story: Don't an arrogant ass.
In all these situations the co-pilot should announce "my plane" and take full control for a go around,if he is wrong all they waste is a bit of fuel if he's right he saves the plane and all souls on board.
ALL co-pilots should have this in them,never be intimidated by anyone in life as usually they are the incompetent part of the equation as here.
You are completely correct , but crew resource management does try to put first officer in position were they can question Captains decisions and even take control . Really this should have happened on the landing brief when the captain decided to deviated from approved approach , but i suppose to captain being told how to do the approach was like being told to wear a mask
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout The captain ignored correct approach procedure because he knew better so its really same as not wearing mask because you know better, procedures and rules are there for all our safety
There's a bit of culture at play here. Had the co-pilot even saved the situation, the captain likely would have used his influence to get the guy demoted or fired.
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout Mask is to help prevent you spreading virus evidence proves this works , you ever seen open heart surgery performed without mask because studies show, it doesn’t do anything !!
@@andymath1523 That's to prevent wound infection though. A bacterial infection is a bit different
"Why won't this airplane turn left?"
It shouldn't matter, grab the stick and *fly the plane*. If you're able, which this pilot certainly was not.
Greg Dickinson, muito bem dito. "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate".
Yep he even tried to do the circling approach with autopilot, which is NOT what to do. I wonder if all his blustering and "quizzing" and other bullying was to hide his own incompetence? It seemed he didn't WANT to fly the plane?
@@charlotteinnocent8752 It is exactly what to do, he just messed it up monumentally. Jets are moving far too fast to try and follow a precise set of waypoints in a small area such as an airport perimeter, this is exactly why you plot the course with the nav and leave it to the autopilot until you are lined up with the runway and have a visual of it - then you take over.
1970's pilots: "We lost the center engine and all hydraulic systems, we will have to fly and land the plane just throttling the left and right engines as our only controls available".
2020's pilots: "We lost the autopilot, now we go down because we don't have any means to control the plane".
*Attach images of Chems.
Shocking behaviour! We see that regularly with car drivers on the road, but expect more from an airline captain.
in an road accident (in most of the cases) u die immediately and u wont feel pain.. but in plane accident u get fried alive..
Ik this is off topic but you have 69 likes
My brother in law's cousin was on that flight, he was returning from a business trip from Karachi, and was about to get married in 3 months. It was a sad day.
Sad 😔
As an Indian, My condolences, such a tragedy, which was totally avoidable, take care
I can just imagine my dad RIP who was a airline captain saying, "This captain is not fit to drive a horse cart let alone fly an A321".
I like how in the end of the video you always show the plane landing safely. In some parallel universe, that’s exactly what happened!
Do pilots ever get shown videos like these during training to show what happens when ignoring your F/O or Tower Operator ?
Yes
The only problem with that: You are going to reach mentally healthy people with that, but not narcissists. Since narcissists can never be wrong *cough* , why should they receive any input from others?
I'd say that Captain had a "My way or the highway" personality
I work with somebody like this pilot. Arrogant, haughty, self assuming, conseded, doesn't follow orders from supervisors, can't show or tell him anything. His way is the right and only way. Fortunately we're not in the air but he's gonna get someone hurt
Hopefully the captain will be spending his eternity in hell receiving constant CRM training.
another version of the crash, it shows more things and has the CVR to
th-cam.com/video/WjowtWAOZY0/w-d-xo.html
I used to work with some of these arrogant pilots when I worked aircraft maintenance. I had nothing but disgust with them. After a while you get to know the pilots who knew what they were doing and the talkers who knew nothing.
We give physicians and pilots God status and it often results in death.
I was a truck driver and shared a hotel van with a flight crew. I got to the van first at the hotel and rode up front. After dropping the crew off at the airport, the van driver told me that he was surprised that the captain "allowed" me to stay in the front, his preferred seat in the van.
You see them as Gods? Ok
@@breadtoasted2269 you received low marks in reading comprehension.
I used to drive a shuttle that saw pilots several times a day. There were some nice guys but in general, a lot of captains were arrogant and absolutely wanted the front seat. 1st officers were almost always nice and friendly but captains are apparently above it. Trust me when I say there's a lot more arrogance going on than just this pilot.
In medical its one life at risk, in aviation its hundreds or more at risk in one silly mistake.
Doctors demand the god status for sure. I can hardly stand it and try to knock them down a peg. Boy do they get mad!!! But what can they do to me? Not much for speaking up for the needs of the not-so-patient-anymore patient!
The system maybe flawed and pilots can be egotistic but the small pp play of the captain is a major reason for this crash. Smh some people are just not good at being put on the spot. Also, piloting a plane is a team effort you don't discourage your team before doing anything
Agreed, watch the documentary about the Qantas A380 incident and how the crew plus some instructors (who were passengers) really pulled together to land at Singapore, the first officer was just going through all the alarms that had been flagged as there were so many.
Keep up the good work! Great storytelling. Great visuals. Bright future...
I like your encouraging nature.
@ Mishal.Raheja : hi, Agar Whirlpool in the Samundhar mein , Aakaash tathva landed on Bhoothava ? agar iss landing pressure or Impurity create karee tho tabh kya ho saktha hei ? before use kaa mathalb kya ho saktha hei ?
Note to copilots. Your life plus the passengers' lives are always more important than a job. If certain the captain is a danger knock him out if necessary and take control. But you better be sure.
No, don't encourage that because either one of them could be wrong.
@@amigan34 Only when it becomes obvious -- here it ended up being obvious at some point.
Let's all give this captain a reward for single handedly flying his plane into mountains. What an accomplishment
Will the Darwin Award suffice?
@@daonlyzneggalz7522 Since the "captain" has killed others with this reckless maneuver, that automatically disqualifies him for the Darwin Awards. One criterion for qualification is that someone is killing himself without affecting (i. e. hurting or killing) others in the process.
@@Robidu1973 well then good thing I didn't straight up say they got it, then.
Love your videos, thank you for uploading, you take so much time to explain the whole story, it is really interesting
Selling sophisticated airplanes to a 4th world country is like giving a loaded gun to a 3 year old.
the thing is the first officer should have stood up for himself, he was an airforce pilot who flew f16s prior to being a commericial pilot
It's not about "standing up for yourself." It's about creating teamwork and predictability, adherence to the established procedures, and maintaining a psychological environment leading to good decision-making.
This kind of stuff happens when pilots are not familiar enough with the autopilot functions of their plane, but at the same time feel uncomfortable with hand-flying it. If the autopilot does not do what you want it to, disengage it and fly the plane yourself. That's what pilots are trained to do after all (well, in theory at least).
Auto Pilots do not suffer the false 'Superiority' complex that certain Eastern airlines flying staff appear to suffer, its a fact that a few dollars in the right places gets a pass, NOT the intelligence and knowledge required, often known in the Far East as 'FACE' common from India Eastwards. HONG KONG and Singapore are NOT like this thankfully, I have worked as an ATC, Local and approach controller in those areas for number of years, Major arrogance is a natural attribute in certain nations, Fortunately, due o the very strict Controls HK,Malaysia and Singapore are free of such attitudes, its mainly the nations of the Middle East and India, Pakistan who suffer such problems.
Wonderfully explained. That was very informative. Thank you. Were you using MSFS for the graphics?
Yes I was!
My cousin was a flight crew and she was on this plane when it came back to karachi from UK. Later this plane was enroute to islamabad from karachi. My cousin was not feeling well and she took a sick leave in karachi and against her substitute another flight attendent took her position.
Too bad though for the flight attendant that was on call. This is such a sad case
what's the name of your cousin?
@@YanDaOne_QCI Was wonder, what you have to do with her name?:)
@@shahidashraf94
i know he's lying so as you can see he doesn't reply to my question, confirming my initial thoughts that he's a lying p.o.s
What airline uses an Airbus A321 for U.K. to Pakistan?
I can’t believe there weren’t glaring clues about the pilot’s behavior before this crash. Former crew members must have said something about this pilot’s mental instability and ego problems. So the airline must’ve known but did nothing. They killed 150 people.
another version here, it shows more things and has the CVR to
th-cam.com/video/WjowtWAOZY0/w-d-xo.html
The Captain was definitely to blame for this crash. The quetion is: why would a pilot, with 17000 hours, make such awful mistakes? The clue is his bad temper. That is a symptom of hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar--making situation awareness difficult. Another symptom is "tunnel vision" where a pilot is fixated on one thing and forgets everything else. After this crash, some of the older pilots who retired from PIA (as was this captain) were sacked and I was asked to train them back on to the 747. They told me how this captain had requested leave for that day as he was a highly religious person and wanted to fast on a holy day. He was given the day off but as another captain was not available he had to fly after spending the whole night saying prayers. My belief is that he was fasting, and that, coupled with being awake all night, gave him hypoglycemia. In this state he ignored all warnings. He could have easily eaten a good breakfast (or dinner) and fasted on another off day. When I was Chief Pilot Standards on DC-10s, I knew that the circling approach to runway 12 at Islamabad could be tricky. At 600ft above ground, manoevring in a large aircraft could be a problem. Cloud is rarely at a single height and an inadvertant entry into it would necessitate an immediate go around. So, in clear weather, with a calm wind, I practiced standard circling approaches, marking down on my apprach chart VOR angles and the DME readings. Using this method as a back up I made many approaches to runway 12 on DC 10s and 747s, in bad weather, with no problems. This was not breaking the rules as it was a back up and helped with situation awareness. I cannot understand why the captain wanted to make a right hand circuit--this would have put him on the wrong side for keeping the runway in sight in a low circuit--but then, if he was hypoglemic, his mind would not have been working. I am a firm believer in airline pilots keeping up their manual flying skills and used to fly manually whenever possible on line. My copilots did too. I NEVER bullied a copilot or flight engineer. Their voiced opinions could save all our lives!
With him turning the knobs instead of hand flying in such An emergency really reminds me of the lectures taught by captain vanderburgh. Not really sure if my analysis is correct but he seems to have been just relying on his plane the entire time he was landing. From him ignoring the controller because he was thinking that he can just input stuff on auto pilot and make it work for him not physically turning the plane when the terrain warning appeared but instead trying to adjust it on his auto pilot (if I understood correctly)
Like it’s just hot trash throughout
Agreed. After watching so many crash investigations over the years I hate to see the fact that too many of our aircrews have become system managers first and pilots a distant second. Shouldn't there be a control that removes all automation and turns complete control over to the pilot in an instant? Or will there be more automation to take command away from the pilot if there is an inpending disaster?
@@TSWest If you want to remove automation you turn off the autopilot, simple as. Once the autopilot is off the only systems that will interfere with your decision making are if the plane senses danger such as a stall, wherein it will attempt to avoid it. Though if a pilot takes control during a scenario that requires precise flying then the pilot now has to copy the exact route themself or they will slam into something at over 250mph. Jets travel far too fast for a human to control manually unless that human has a clear view of the runway already to focus on it.
Great Video as always
Sadly this is so common in Asia. The conventional hierarchy indirectly encourages such a practice.
This is a very realistic reconstruction. The plane CRASHED and yet you show the plane landing safely.
This is a common trait in medicine of that part of the world too. The teaching methods are almost bullying the med students into learning, they aren't allowed to think for themselves, they aren't allowed to ask questions, they just have to take it and do what the teacher says and learn exactly as this video demonstrates. That leads to the graduated doctors then doing the same thing, ignoring the comments of those below them (including the patients). Its interesting to see that same culture exists in other workplaces too. But with that in mind I don't think the captain was malicious with his teaching of the first officer, I would think he was trying to help teach him in the way he was taught. If I were to guess the problem may be cultural, and the culture of pilots may need to change in some areas to improve the safety of travel.
The Captain had retired from PIA after attaining age of 60 but was hired by airblue based on his experience. The Co- Pilot was a new hire and probably fresh from the flight School. With all that Bull-Shit by the captain, he couldn't develop the courage to take over controls from him but as per the report he repeatedly warned the captain of impending danger.
the 1st office was the F-16 fighter pilot and recently retired from the air force.
@@mairajuddin his wife's blogs are heartbreaking. He has two boys, now teenagers. He was a mild mannered guy . This was the worst crash in terms of deaths and the scene was horrifying. Body parts flung all over Margala Hills... I don't know who is responsible.... But the loss .. loss is too great... Allah bless their souls and give peace to their families...
@@rabiaaslam3186 there is no thing called Allah . It’s just a false god created by false prophet..
@@jerry6830 o What the hell r u??? Is this the right time and place to start talking your nonsense?? Keep that to yourself. Whole world believe in a God you ppl r just a little minority dont come to comment section. You ppl have Godphobia and i pity your life. Life without God a depressed life.
@@egoiisticprince7977 Sorry for being straightforward & honest , but I just couldn’t stand the fact where majority of people follow a religion founded by pedophile & killer.. Some ppl seek blessings from such so-called Gods ..
Don’t pity my life but pity them who follow immoral & false religions.. Life without god & life with false god both are depressed lives,..
In looking at the "circular pattern" they needed to fly, I'm not sure why that was such an issue?? 🤔 Use the ILS to guide your altitude, then break off & fly a downwind, base, then final leg...I learned that in my first 5hrs.
Bad weather maybe the only thing that would have made a difference is if the bain dead pilot could see the mountain he was heading into 5nm away given that even the ground warning didn't help.
@@rurarararagi3394 yeah I was thinkin' that as well. If they're flyin' that type of approach, you'd think they'd be VFR, so not sure how they got so turned around 🤔...probably the same way car accidents happen, someone not payin' attention.
If you have a brain
I suppose he was just lazy and wanted the plane to fly the approach in NAV mode. For some reason that didn't work and he then tried to "hand-fly" it using heading select mode. Which didn't work either because he forgot to switch modes. Everything about this crash screams lazy and badly trained pilot.
It was at night, but that's still no excuse.
Thank you, well interpreted and narrated
Thank you for such a detailed explanation. I’d heard of this case before, but never before with such clear and easily-comprehensive details. What an awful situation, sorry to those 152 poor souls and the ones who’s concerns were neglected too. Hope first officer is in heaven
what application did you use for the graphics ?
Perfect flow and every line felt extremely good and well timed. Great as always...
this is so tragic, i cant imagine how the f/o felt like
Pilot should have been suspended from flight operations years ago just for his attitude.
Even now, you can see the crash site on the margalla mountains, with the burned out area on the mountain while travelling on the margalla hills via road... such a painful reminder !
😔
Almost half of the Pakistani pilots are not qualified for flying but they are flying regularly and thus putting many lives at risk.
A salutary lesson in why CRM is so important in a safe flight deck.
What do you even do in a situation like this? Even if the FO had been more strenuous in his objections, I'm pretty sure that would have only escalated the situation. That captain should not have been allowed to fly, period.
Still waiting for the final report on PIA8303 to be released
You and me both
I am comfortable (lol) it crashed because the pilot use the Fred Flintstone mode
@@toetz4491 we know what happened. We want to know why it happened
@@tomstravels520 we can hear them in the CVR that they're "comfortable" even when they're too high on the approach and too close to the runway lol. And they STILL FORCED IT DOWN . That plane was not properly configured to land, we can even hear the terrain warning sound because the plane's computers think its NOT landing . Laziness and Get-there- itis = Fred Flintstone landings
@@tomstravels520 heres another one from 74 gear , on the first compilation which is a cockpit video ..those are the kind of pilots that they have.
th-cam.com/video/GFK5vsOUjkg/w-d-xo.html
This may be simplistic but couldn't he just have turned off the autopilot and took manual control of the aircraft and flew himself out of trouble.
That Patan insulted his co pilot and then kills him and his passengers. Pure evil.
Maybe it only seems simple to me because I'm not a pilot. Notwithstanding everything before, if the autopilot isn't doing what (you think) you're telling it, disengage the autopilot and fly manually to a safe state and then figure it out.
Again, arrogance and tunnel vision. "I want this thing to happen, so I'll keep trying to making it happen because I'm not doing it wrong."
@@MoominDoogie I think the error with the desired heading dial is the most telling thing. He seemingly forgot its actual function (directing the heading) and tried to use it to *steer* instead. He was no longer reading the numbers on the dial. This sounds like someone who is in a panic and no longer thinking about what he's doing.
They're so used to autopilot, they don't have confidence in flying manually especially in high pressure situation
We're headed towards Icebergs, the Lookouts have no binoculars because I forgot the locker keys at home. OK, says the Captain, engines full ahead.
These are times when we forget rivalries of our countries. RIP to the deceased. Also the captain was heavily incapable. I'd actually love it if the co pilot (former fighter pilot) would quiz him about the fighter jets.
@@FranceGaulGallia don't say that please
@@nitsgupta6670
Sad to see schools producing woke kids who have apathy towards their own people (of same faith) but sympathize with the people who are eager to destroy them
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout
Go away
Why don’t u show sympathy to the families of the Indian soldiers beheaded by Pakistani army and terrorists?! That country is a cancer to South Asia. Mercy is for the weak and wimps!
@@SS-ix3cb I'm quite a hater of pakistan but just think about it, there were innocent children and mothers in the flight. I hate pakistan government and military.
Which flight simulator you can use in this vedio please tell me.
Captain sounds like he was too narcissistic to be trusted with anyone's life.
Unfortunately there are still pilots who think they know everything and are God's gift to aviation. Those pilots need to be identified and fired asap.
Run a check for narcissism, and you should find them rather quickly.
This problematic hierarchy that seems to pervade certain cultures is causing many disasters in aerospace. This phenomena also extends to the granting of qualifications to people who should not be permitted to operate an aircraft. In this example, selecting "NAV" mode and then questioning why the aircraft does not follow "SELECTED" mode is just incompetence .
Am not a pilot but I can see the mistake clearly. What a self made disaster
Old aviation expression.... Your attitude determines your altitude.
Thanks
kinda remind me back in my first years flying.....captain always ''right''.
13 reports for taking over control did not make me sorry....saved my life and people on board.
when safety is jeopardized......and the captain ignore any suggestions,
do not hesitate to take over , it is not about your career anymore, it's about responsibility for the people.
A junior officer/second in command can actually take full charge if they see the aircraft is in danger. The rules were changed after one or two crashes due to the incompetance of the captains. There was another recent crash, again in Pakistan, where the overzealous captain approached the runway at above the max height allowed - I think he was an ex-airforce pilot and treated the big jet as a small, nimble fighter jet. The ATC had warned him about being above the approach height limit but he just brushed this aside with the usual arrogance. At near touchdown he realised he would not make it, so decided to go around when he was a few feet from the ground and scrapped the engines on the runway which resulted in all power loss and no height. No one survived.
One thing that stands out to me given some more recent 2020 revelations considering the horrific state of Pakistan’s pilot certification system, whereby something in excess of 30% of Pakistani Certified pilots were found to have falsified credentials. If you look up this accident you find a lot of info on the FO’s past. He was an F-16 pilot in the military, etc. there is almost nothing out there about the Captain beyond 25,000 flight hours with a little over 1,000 on the A320. In hindsight you sort of wonder?
He pencil whipped those 25K hours. The so called captain couldn't even hand fly that aircraft..
There’s no wayyy someone has 25000 hours or 1050 continuous days in the a320 flying on such short domestic routes.
@@ashokiimc It says he had 1000 hours in the A320. 25,000 hours total. I would guess a lot of that military, if legit?
@@andrewtaylor940 military jets specially fighters don't have a lot of gas and usually have a flight time of around 1-2 hours, no fighter pilot till date has 25000 hours. for example The most experienced F-14 pilot had less than 9000 hours.
If I happened to be in that situation.
I would've looked at the controls and considered taking control and turning the auto-pilot off to take MANUAL control ASAP.
Even if the Captain thinks he is in control of the situation.
@@colinm6714 your are wrong .check air france 447
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout Did I ever put on a mask?
You referring to full on facemasks?
If so where I live has just come out of 4 months of lockdown.
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout You don't know me remotely at all.
Do NOT try to start anything here.
If you do I'm not interested in your trolling attempt at baiting me.
Nice analysis and report. Thanks for the video 😊👍
As a retired airline Captain, I have to say that this Captain was an incompetent fool. He stayed with the automation to the very end instead of disconnecting the autopilot and hand flying the airplane. When all else fails, fly the damn airplane!
Unfortunately narcissism overrides rationality and logic. Being the grandiose narcissist that that "captain" has been, disaster was inevitable sooner or later. Unfortunately it struck at a most unfortunate time. RIP to all souls that have been lost because of this reckless behavior.