I had BRONZE Players make a HERO TIER LIST... Here's how it went

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  • @ShadowLinkHD
    @ShadowLinkHD ปีที่แล้ว +509

    2nd list definitely seems like a person who watches a lot of high rank streamers and being influenced by it instead of making a list of the true bronze experience.

    • @Antonio-ys5zd
      @Antonio-ys5zd ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Exactly what I was thinking because of the Moira at the bottom

    • @assimilater-quicktips
      @assimilater-quicktips ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@Antonio-ys5zd tbf if they're not a moira player they may put moira low out of spite for moira not healing enough

    • @Antonio-ys5zd
      @Antonio-ys5zd ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@assimilater-quicktips I never understood that Moira not healing thing. Shoot a heal orb at your team while you flank and it balances out fairly well and boom. Best of both worlds

    • @button9
      @button9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Antonio-ys5zd but that's a heal orb you could use on yourself while flanking ... wasted on the team? no thanks

    • @button9
      @button9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      definitely. This is bronze wanting to look smart OR when a Diamond+ player enters their lobby and dominate "oh dang these heroes might be good"

  • @GeorgeElEmery
    @GeorgeElEmery ปีที่แล้ว +185

    I'm bronze, and I have 0 fear when I see a widow or sojourn on the opposite team, and my spirits drop when they're on my team. If they could hit shots, they wouldn't be in bronze with me.

    • @jimmysymes5825
      @jimmysymes5825 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Huge brain

    • @sanddollar500
      @sanddollar500 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @Legend_Evo1
      @Legend_Evo1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      i played in bronze for a while, any sniper character except sojourn is very middle of the road if you're in bronze 4 and below, bronze 3 and above those 2 suddenly shoot up because people have developed the mechanical skill of a grapefruit.

    • @lispyy26
      @lispyy26 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Legend_Evo1 ahhh I see a flats viewer

    • @Legend_Evo1
      @Legend_Evo1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lispyy26 its the only reason i selected sojourn one game and holy mother of fuck sojourn is slept on.

  • @Backfisch5927
    @Backfisch5927 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I started the game just a few months ago and sigma was insanely strong in bronze 5-3 because everyone just shoots at your defensive ability, it's super easy to hit rocks because some people just stand still, and if you hit a rock the just put away their keyboard/controller for a few seconds and you can kill them. Also some people didn't seem to understand you can walk through an enemy shield.
    Sojourn also was great because the railgun just finishes of people you got to half health and sometimes enemies don't realise they stand in the damage sphere

    • @elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ปีที่แล้ว

      You can walk through enemy shields but its generally not the best idea because that instantly cuts off all healing LOS

    • @KikiCatMeow
      @KikiCatMeow ปีที่แล้ว

      GENUINELY! I use grasp and it’s like a switch flips in the enemy team’s minds to just feed me overhealth. I’ll have bastions who go into assault while im using it and start shooting at me while it’s up. Hardly anyone tries to stun you out of flux either. Sigma is genuinely so good in bronze

  • @johnnyackermann3503
    @johnnyackermann3503 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Ramattra in S tier actually makes sense to me, especially in bronze. But not only because of how generally strong he is, but how frustrating he feels to play against. It feels like he does everything: he can do poke damage at long range, he has a large HP shield, an ability that slows and damages you (more CC), and then every 8 seconds he uses an ability that gives him free armor, unblockable and relatively easy-to-land damage, and a 20% movement speed boost to rush you (which is made worse if he slows you as well). Then he has an high damage reduction block so he doesn’t get taken out, especially with heals and/or a lack of focus fire. That lasts for 8 seconds, then just as you almost take him out he gets his shield and CC back, then it happens again after another 8 seconds. And that’s not to mention his ultimate, which is nemesis + a huge radius auto damage for 20 seconds. It just feels like too much for one character a lot of the time

    • @isaacjones6323
      @isaacjones6323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm fairly new, bronze on dps and silver in the other roles, but when I see a rammatra, I instantly switch reaper and just walk on him.

    • @daigonmocs0785
      @daigonmocs0785 ปีที่แล้ว

      not bronze but low rank support, and it has been burned into my racial memory not to play brig into ramattra. my children will be born with the innate knowledge not to play brig into ram

  • @gridgaming_
    @gridgaming_ ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Lucio is definitely D tier in bronze, just cause nobody knows how to use him. A lot of people at low ranks will just healbot on whichever support they play on, so it's much better to have a healbot Ana or Kiriko than a healbot Lucio just cause they can save DPS and tank much more effectively. It's not that healbot Floorcio is bad, its just that heabot every other support is better.

  • @crys9982
    @crys9982 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My take on the list as a support main
    I'm newer to overwatch 2, started around midway through season 2. I started out Bronze, peaked gold multiple times and now hardstuck S4. I agree in the overall tie list. The 4 supports I play are all in A tier. As a solo supp main, you start to realize that play style effects the team.
    If you have a aggressive tank that is always in the back line and spamming that they need healing bur won't back off long enough to even let the supports get close enough to heal without putting them in the front lines, the game is lost. The supports can't heal because the tanks always dead. Supports end up getting focused and can't stay alive long enough to help. Making it a 3v5 if not a 2v5.
    The dps can't ever admit they didn't do enough. You'll have maybe 1 dps with a bit of damage and another dps that runs in to die. Usually if you see Hanzo, Genji, or Sombra, Tracer in Bronze it's usually a main. That's why they tend to be lower on the list. When you do see a main it starts to effect the supports.
    Supports make or break a game but tanks are the overall deciders of the game.
    Zen, Brig and Bap are not played as much in bronze, if they are, usually it's again a main or a secondary they play. It's harder to understand how to get good usage out of them in lower elos.
    Lucio is 50/50 you either get the one that's is actually somewhat decent at the character. Or you get the one that runs in to die before anyone can even get out of spawn.
    Ana, Kiriko, Mercy and Moira are all solid in A tier.
    Dps Moira is very common in a tier. If the dps Moira is decent she will throw her healing orbs to her team while she saves her dash to get out if she is in trouble. If not they will be in the back line only healing themselves and dying.
    Kirko has a bit of a higher skill cap due to her kunai and Teleport. If she is played well she can be crucial in the teams victory, if not she will die every time she tries to save the tank or dps.
    Ana is another good example of a great support. Her anti and sleep dart is clutch and her over heal can save the her tank in times of crucial moments. The only problem with Ana is, playstyle. If you have a team that turns non stop corners and plays out of sight, she won't be effect in coming to their aid.
    Now as a mercy main I could be a bit bias. I love mercy but ever since her changes I do believe she is in A instead of S. She feels a bit clunkier in movement and her getting focused is alot easier with the slow that was applied to super jump and back jump. Sometimes you will see a battle mercy and yikes. (I don't play battle mercy) mercy usually gets focused by anyone in sight of her, but it's understandable. A good mercy can also really win team fights.
    Doom mains are the reason he is only played sometimes in low elo. Otherwise his skill cap is pretty high and most Bronze tanks would rather play Ram, Rein, or Sigma. Ball is really strong after his huge buff too.
    For tanks and dps I don't really want to go into detail about all of them but most will focus support and ignore their own.
    Junker Queen is hard to say. A good junker queen can really take the game, but most of the time they run in and die.

    • @FluffyTrip
      @FluffyTrip ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Best comment! Also a newer ow2 player totally agree with you here

    • @crys9982
      @crys9982 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@FluffyTrip thank you, it really is all play style in in low elo. You have to adjust to your team because they won't turn and help + comms are uncommon in low elo. Which sucks cause comms carry games

    • @zombor8249
      @zombor8249 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never been in bronze but I'd honestly Mercy absolutely dominating with her healing now, no? Can't imagine anyone killing anything there that gets pocketed

    • @KaranMBT
      @KaranMBT ปีที่แล้ว

      👋DPS Moira here (i do play ana, zen and brig when fitting)...same new to OW2 peeked gold and now stuck in silver 4-5 cauz these overextending tanks keep coming and screaming "HEAALLL" lol. uhh anyway great comment that pretty much sums up what I as a new suppo main in ow2 silver - gold thinks about the game

    • @KaranMBT
      @KaranMBT ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zombor8249 nah they always have a switch to bastion (at least whenever I have played mercy) and they just brrrrrrttttt the heck out of me and not that the CD is even longer its literally impossible to live when pocketing someone like phara or echo...also cauz these dps fully ignore me getting effed in the arse and just do whatever

  • @darthplagueis13
    @darthplagueis13 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ana can get a lot of genuine value in Bronze because she can heal up a tank more efficiently than any other character. In Bronze, a lot of the time your tanks haven't figured out their individual gameplay loops yet and manage their cooldowns badly, which can leave them without abilities to use mid-teamfight. An Ana pocket is powerful enough to let them facetank a little until they got their abilities back, something the other supports struggle with.

    • @crys9982
      @crys9982 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ana is really 50/50 because you can pocket a tank that stays in LOS but the moment your tank turns any corners or runs out of LOS they usually die and then complain about not getting helped

    • @damage1387
      @damage1387 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nano is also insane for saving tanks that are super low. It can definitely turn fights, not thanks to the damage boost, but the saving capabilities it has

    • @TheYugilicious
      @TheYugilicious ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd say Moira healbot is slightly easier to get value out off in Bronze.
      Requires no real aim like Ana.

  • @kaijuu_tho
    @kaijuu_tho ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I think Kiriko shows up in high tiers throughout low ranks as well because of how much of a game changer suzu can be, her healing output has the potential to be strong and leads to fast ult, and her mobility is off the charts. Kiriko's DPS doesn't matter in low rank because she is so strong in so many other areas.

    • @Schlachter748
      @Schlachter748 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nahh it is her ultimate! You bring so much more gun power through her ult but yeah her dps matters not much

    • @cyber7453
      @cyber7453 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@Schlachter748 in my opinion, the ult is not that good in bronze - silver because your team mates don't stand in it

    • @Sumbol7224
      @Sumbol7224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cyber7453 yep, i play kiriko in gold a lot and my teammates ignore the ult so much, when they do use it its great but ive found myself waiting to pair it with bob or something similar since that works better in like 80% of games where we have an ashe

    • @Schlachter748
      @Schlachter748 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cyber7453 true you have to pray that your teammates shot

    • @uwize5897
      @uwize5897 ปีที่แล้ว

      but if that playstyle was that strong they wouldnt be in bronze

  • @maxguise9637
    @maxguise9637 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Apart from just ranks, I think it would also be interesting to see the difference in tier lists between pc and console. As a console player myself, I often see that a very good pharah or hitscan can be extremely effective and often impossible to counter if your team doesn’t play the right heroes

    • @marcovangraan1066
      @marcovangraan1066 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts bro, whenever I play against a Pharamercy duo, and your dps does not play Bastion, Ashe, etc. it's almost a guaranteed win for the opposing team

    • @senpai_abe6510
      @senpai_abe6510 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm high ranking on dps console, I dont see pharah as much, it's mostly tracer, widow, ashe , and CASSIDY (with mercy lol). I haven't seen a pharmercy in a while, maybe just me

    • @kevinkalani
      @kevinkalani ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Marco van Graan Bastion is actually bad against Pharah because she can just outrange him and direct shot his huge, slow, hitbox easily. If you're a tank player, and a Pharah is oppressive, your two choices are to play fast and blow up their whole team with a rush comp before she gets value, or go Dva and mitigate her spam and pressure her out.

    • @elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinkalani As a pharah player, depends. If the bastion is being pocketed and the pharah isn't, and the pharah has no vertical cover, the pharah will almost certainly die.

    • @kevinkalani
      @kevinkalani ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ellie there are always exceptions of course, but I am thinking about your average good maps to play Pharah. Like Eichenwalde attack. If the Bastion is just sitting in the back by the clock tower, you can outrange him as Pharah because he is doing like 2 damage to you at that range. But yeah, let's say King's Row attack, if you aren't paying attention you can definitely get blown up by him.

  • @xPiGeOnNiNjA
    @xPiGeOnNiNjA ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lmao, my list was the first one emongg showed, in regards to Kiriko/Lucio, Kiriko healing output plus ult is so easy to get value out of and most Lucio's I've come across can't get enough healing or speed boost because most of the time, the team is spread out.

  • @control2XS
    @control2XS ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:10 the best way to heal with Brig IS armour packs. People risking their lives to proc inspire is what makes a bad brig player. The best Brig players might not have quite as much inspire uptime, but have essentially 0 deaths.

  • @Ratharaine
    @Ratharaine ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone whos in brone because they dont play comp enough i can tell you, thisbis horribly inaccurate. Bronze lists are HEAVILY biased based on who you play and most bronze main just a couple of characters. As an example as a bronze moira destroys i can often have solid healing and keep my team alive while also being free to just run to the back and pick off supports without anyone doing jack and torb is a fucking menace due to the perfect turret accuracy

  • @Lovell709
    @Lovell709 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m a bronze console player. I would say I agree MOST with the first tier list.
    The reason you’re seeing Hanzo tanked so low in our level is because we’re not good with his kit. Randomness leaves a lot of players not diggin him. I would say the same for the tier lists that have Tracer and Widow low.
    Zarya and Doom are almost never used in my matches. We just don’t know how to use them correctly.
    Ditto for Lucio.
    Glad you enjoyed the randomness of these lists lol

  • @quinton575
    @quinton575 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sigma was only S tier because you underestimate how much bullets black whole takes and how much bronze doesn’t realize it is there and shot at it

    • @elmikason7530
      @elmikason7530 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you mean Kinetic Grasp when saying "black whole"? If so its not every time wrong to shoot it. It absorbs not all damage and when Sigma is low you can take him down while it is up

    • @RiftEnalios
      @RiftEnalios ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@elmikason7530 it eats all incoming projectiles wdym lol. You can’t hit through it. You can stun him out of it with like rock or something but you can’t overwhelm it with damage

    • @elmikason7530
      @elmikason7530 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RiftEnalios Sorry I should have been more clear but english isnt my fist language and in my head it sounds not so bad. But I see now how easy it is to missunderstand it. By not all damage I meant that you can still do damage to Sigma with meele or beams and take him down during the grasp bevor he gets the shield from absorbing the projectiles. And it only eats the projectiles from the front so if you get a flank on him it does damage too.

  • @davidsabillon5182
    @davidsabillon5182 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    As a top tier bronze 4 player I'm here for this.

  • @strongsmith1897
    @strongsmith1897 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to see a console bronze version of this.
    I flip inbetween bronze and silver, and generally play Sigma, Rein, Sombra, Sym, Junkrat, Brigg, Mercy, Lucio or Zen. Mainly Brigg, Mercy, and Sigma
    of my experience I'd put my mains at:
    Sigma - High B, low A. I tend to do really good, but not super great
    Rein - High A, low S. I tend to dominate most of the time as Rein if Sigma doesn't work or vice versa
    Sombra - low C, High D. Most of the time it sucks to play her, but I still find her super fun.
    Sym - A. The turrets do a lot of work definitely, but getting a lvl 3 beam is pretty easy too.
    Rat - High A, low S. Spam damage is great at chokes, since no one seems to want to take alternative paths. (which is where I tend to put my traps)
    Brigg - B. Hurts to put my favorite hero so low, but oh well. Either I'm the one with the least deaths, best heals, and even get POTG, or I'm feeding/doing nothing.
    Mercy - High A, Low S. There's a reason I can barely ever play Mercy, and that's because she's picked by the other support so often. A good mercy does so well, but a bad one is super predictable. Damage boost is great if you have a good DPS to boost, but 90% of games you don't.
    Zen - B. I'd love to put him higher, but people don't seem to want to focus fire the discord target.
    Lucio - C. 90% of Lucios I see stick to the floor and heal bot. Those that don't can't seem to hit a shot to save their lives. (though to be fair, neither can the enemy hit the Lucio). Only reason Lucio isn't lower is because the heals aren't bad, and a half decent Lucio will play with their tank or team to speed them in, and they'll also use boop to help create space and get kills rather than just using it for environmental kills only.

  • @Theiscariotsin
    @Theiscariotsin ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I play high gold though I think this would apply to bronze. For soj she does well mainly cus people don’t have the hang of using cover so a lot of people are walking around already clipped so a body shot does the trick usually

  • @Wizardbeard91
    @Wizardbeard91 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A bronze tier list bingo would be hilarious

  • @agranite9776
    @agranite9776 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm curious on the submitter's main role and main hero, to further understand why they rank the heroes.

  • @jackattackstopmotion3244
    @jackattackstopmotion3244 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a silver to bronze player I would say that I don’t fully agree with any of these tiers lists but I think if I rearrange some of the tiers between each list i could probably find some that I would agree with

  • @Disappointed_Philosoraptor
    @Disappointed_Philosoraptor ปีที่แล้ว

    As a low silver that duos with a high bronze, I can easily help anyone wondering how to easily make sense of bronze Tier lists:
    Imagine nobody can aim, everyone fumbles their abilities and panic preses their entire keyboard in a stressful situations and nobody knows even the most basic rules of positioning, such as using cover etc. I am not kidding. Apply these rules to any character and their palcement makes sense.
    Any character that needs good mechanics and/or well timed and placed abilities will do poorly (Widow,Doom, Junkerqueen, Zen), and any character that will get value even out of wrong ability usage or while missing most of their shots and/or is hard to punish unless you land key shots/abilities is strong (Torb,Rein, Orisa, Moira).
    Examples: Why is Sigma rated highly? they place their shield and just spam through it. When the shield breaks and they panic, they plant their entire hand on the keyboard and accidentally activate the only ability that is off cooldown, grasp, which keeps them alive. by the time grasp is over they got +500 shield because nobody knows why the funny floating man suddenly groans and keeps shooting anyway. By the time you got through the overshield, they got their barrier back. rinse and repeat.
    Genji? usually presses shift into the midle of the entire enemy team, then immediately deflects and dies as soon as deflect is over becasue they cannot shift out - you need to kill someone to reset the cooldown. Yes, he's hard to hit, but Moira is in every game.
    Junkerqueen? they don't hit knifea or shotgun shots properly, do not meelee to lifesteal, waste shout and while panicking Axe Swing the air.
    Reaper? impossible to kill du to lifesteal since healing is better the lower the incoming dps is.
    You get the idea. THis still applies to silver, just with slightly less terrible aim, mechanics, colldown usage and positionig.

  • @loggerman2353
    @loggerman2353 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely take over games in bronze on ball

  • @8UMadBro8
    @8UMadBro8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never understood people saying sojourn is bad in lower ranks... she does it all so well. Even if you have bad aim, guess what, your aim is bad with everyone else too but sojourn will still land the occasional 1-shot in addition to spam damage & great utility. She's oppressive at all ranks...

  • @NavidSharifipour
    @NavidSharifipour ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could totally do a “guess my sr based on my tierlist” vid or even a “guess my main based on my tierlist” vid

  • @nathe1230
    @nathe1230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1st list probably doesn't group up alot which is why lucio is Likely low

  • @PeaceMastah
    @PeaceMastah ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such good deductive reasoning from Emongg. Love it.

  • @Phoenix77989
    @Phoenix77989 ปีที่แล้ว

    People always hate playing with brig, but I don't see such a problem.
    Gold 3 support btw, I use Lucio and brig on support usually, sometimes zen.
    My brig play doesn't feel bad, I can get picks on most characters, I get top 2 heals every game at least, most damage of supports (if the supports actually try to heal) and I get a very low death toll.
    I feel like brig is very survivable, gets really good heals, and can be really good against a close Orisa, rein, or even ram if they get careless.

  • @wusaint
    @wusaint ปีที่แล้ว

    Problem playing Lucio on Bronze is like 90% of Lucio players can't wall ride worth a damn. The other problem is your teams usually have no idea how to use speed. Try to amp speed to get your team out before you get staggered and they will immediately flame for you not being on heal. Bronze players want you to be a heal bot while they play bullet sponges.

  • @damonblack1495
    @damonblack1495 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There is a lot of jank in that first list. This probably comes from B4/B3. The one Emongg seems most surprised by is Lucio in D tier is one of the few I agree with.
    The second list is hot garbage. Looks like something you would see on the overwatch forums.
    The third list has equivalent jank to the first. They get some right and some wrong.
    Fourth list is hot garbage. Starting to see a pattern here. Emongg commented on Zen always being rated low. It's because bronze players rely on healing more so than natural cover to do just about anything. And Zen does not put out enough healing to satisfy most bronze players.
    The fifth list is the most true so far. They have some wrong but more right than others. It looks like they are a support player that cannot handle flanks based purely on Mercy being so low rated. To comment a bit on Widow being so high and Hanzo being so low... I am always surprised when I play in bronze how good some peoples aim is. There are some decent Widows in bronze that will absolutely take over a game. I've also seen some Hanzo's do the same. But when you have a bad Hanzo you can feel it a LOT more than when you have a bad Widow. The threat of Widow makes everyone play differently. Even a good Hanzo's existence doesn't have the same effect.
    The last one, the sixth list, has a lot of jank similar to the first and third. But maybe even more than those. But the tank that is always on top - Ramattra. It's really all about his ult. It single handedly can win team fights. No other ults needed. I can't tell you how many games are stale mated at a choke, both teams blowing ults left and right. But then Ramattra gets ult and we just win and push onward.
    That averaged out list is decent. I disagree with a lot of it. But decent.

    • @katiecaparco
      @katiecaparco ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this is the most accurate comment i’ve seen yet. i play on console so i was wondering if PC players are just in a different meta… but this comment sums up my thoughts perfectly.

    • @damonblack1495
      @damonblack1495 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katiecaparco Appreciate it and glad we agree. I really thought the list Emongg, Seagull and Flats came up with was really close to how I would rank even for bronze. Lucio could have been lower if they were really considering all other elo's for example. But it was pretty spot on.

  • @aaronkinney6004
    @aaronkinney6004 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From what I've seen, sigma dominates in bronze. It can be so bad that if one team has a sigma and the other doesn't, you don't even need to watch the rest of the match because it is already over.

  • @questionable_live
    @questionable_live ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After seeing a lot of bronze gameplay just in general the most accurate list is 16:00 but Kiriko is too low and is at least A tier maybe S tier and Brig is a little low should be at least B maybe A. Other than that is looks extremely accurate.

    • @QuickS4nd
      @QuickS4nd ปีที่แล้ว

      I think from their own experience Kiriko might actually fit in the B tier, but for many others it's a solid A or A+

  • @johntousseau9380
    @johntousseau9380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Widow is usually high because no one contests her. Widow can stay in the same spot all game and get elims.

  • @NovaGN
    @NovaGN ปีที่แล้ว

    I imagine why Reaper is so low on the tierlist comparatively is that bronze players dont realize just how aggressive his damage fall off is. Additionally, his ultimate isn't a ranged one like Rat, Soldier, or Sojourn so its possible that its harder to get value because no one *groups* in bronze

  • @user-gl9qm4hb4n
    @user-gl9qm4hb4n ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ramattra is definitely good in bronze, but I don't think it's because he's so much better than the other tanks. I think we just see him the most right now because he's new and really fun.

  • @kevinkalani
    @kevinkalani ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the funniest thing for me in each of these lists. As a Rein main currently Diamond 2, I love having a Lucio, so it's strange how Lucio and Rein are so far apart on each of these tier lists. If one is good, the other should be pretty close. They're like peanut butter and jelly. I have a friend who plays Lucio, and I just tell him when to speed, and even in diamond most teams struggle deal with the aggression and the pressure in their face. If you are a bronze Lucio/Rein player out there, find the other half and just speed around together into backlines. It'll get you at least out of bronze, if not higher. Aggression forces a lot of mistakes.

  • @Cha0sgg
    @Cha0sgg ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually think the shield tanks will shift as you go higher in rank because most bronze games people dont know to use natural cover or how to play with a dive tank so people run rein and sig.

  • @bungbung8525
    @bungbung8525 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lucio is op in bronze, half the time people can’t even out damage your healing when I first started that got me into silver easy

  • @cryha8789
    @cryha8789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lucio in Bronze doesnt ride walls or use speed boost and doesnt have high enough heal output on a single target to compensate for the length of teamfights and damage that flies around in bronze games.

  • @pot8oking565
    @pot8oking565 ปีที่แล้ว

    honestly for me Sombra, Tracer, monkey, JQ, Ball, Doom, Echo, Sym, Zen, Widow I havent seen to many of them to tell if they are good in bronze and silver

  • @deadhelix
    @deadhelix ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason I think kiriko was top tier in low ranks is because her healing output is so high that those big bursts make up for any mistakes made in a fight when you just get all the health back so fast considering the ttk of bronze isn’t that consistent unless you are moira who is a god among bronze

  • @goliathus8815
    @goliathus8815 ปีที่แล้ว

    the problem with torb turret in low ranks is that everyone is terrified of it so all five people shoot it immediately.

  • @sunsun9998
    @sunsun9998 ปีที่แล้ว

    im a bronze tank since I dont play tank much but higher elo supp, tried playing, there was a widow missing every shot but none of my team would push with me because of her presence. Quickest loss of my life. Widow existing is S tier.

  • @DOMeNIC12100
    @DOMeNIC12100 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem is people suck as Lucio in the lower ranks. I’m platinum in all roles almost diamond on tank and I can’t tell you how many times Lucios on my team are just frontlining or flanking and just dies. Lucios always have the most deaths by far and it’s the most frustrating thing. Lucio is great but I’m always scared when I see one on my team cuz they are generally just bad lol

  • @fabianlindstrom9519
    @fabianlindstrom9519 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t even think bronze players know how to even realise what is strong and not, because if they would, they would not be in bronze.
    I’m currently high diamond low masters and I smurfed to get my silver friend out of silver, it’s literally the worst experience I’ve ever had, I could go in with Ashe and 1v4 their team except the tank. The tanks literally have a 1v1 on the frontline, then one of them all off a sudden go right in to the enemy team and dies, and it’s completely random who does it. Healers don’t heal, and dps just shoot tanks, it’s literally a coinflip, no one is in voice and you can’t really make plays at all

  • @button9
    @button9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's what happens with Lucio: Either he's trying and failing horribly at being a reddit lucio (thinking he's going to pop off but just feeds) or he healbots but people think he's doing nothing then get super mad the moment he switches to speed for even a second. Also, if half the team is Doom, genji, widow/hanzo ... he gets no value as a healbot

  • @acedaniels580
    @acedaniels580 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pharah is for sure S in my Bronze games no dps can shoot down a Pharah she dominates games especially with a Mercy pocket.

    • @Blurgamer17
      @Blurgamer17 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a hitscan main (ana), I disagree.
      It's more like nobody listens to your pings and continue soaking the tank.

    • @acedaniels580
      @acedaniels580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Blurgamer17 I promise u I’ve had over 10 games in Bronze we’re the dps can not shoot down a Pharah and she just dominates the whole game

    • @acedaniels580
      @acedaniels580 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blurgamer17 but also the ping and tank stuff

    • @Blurgamer17
      @Blurgamer17 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ace Daniels if pharah is dominating for that long, nobody is picking any of the Counter-choice heroes.
      I don't get many pharah players because my support main counters her in gameplay, which I find funny because it means Pharah gets hard-countered by her mom.

    • @acedaniels580
      @acedaniels580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Blurgamer17 oh they do. They will go soldier Ashe or even cas and still can’t hit.

  • @eosrose6126
    @eosrose6126 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Bronze every hero can be s or f tier, there is little consistency. Reaper, Bastion, Orisa, Mercy, Moira, Torb, Symm mightbe more often percieved as strong.

  • @Z_Twe12e
    @Z_Twe12e ปีที่แล้ว

    As a bronze support, I mostly agree with the average bronze list. I am surprised with the Ramatra S-tier and Lucio B-tier. I also think Sombra is super annoying on the other team, so I would have her higher, but if she's on your team she's usually terrible.

  • @flareb99
    @flareb99 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 4 most difficult supports in B tier and the 4 easiest supports to play are A tier, not surprised at all. Also they all have relatively low healing output except bap. Bronze is extremely aggressive so they need a lot of healing to get anything done.
    Biggest surprise is phara isn't S tier

  • @wookieninja8794
    @wookieninja8794 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I'm silver 2 as tank, silver 4 as support, and bronze 4 as DPS would you count me as bronze or just silver? Just curious if I wanted to submit bronze stuff.

  • @PeaceMastah
    @PeaceMastah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s so bronze about these takes is that they differ to widely

  • @Cha0sgg
    @Cha0sgg ปีที่แล้ว

    Clense is clense no matter the rank, and reddit lucio makes for a d tier bronze easy lmao My main thought on lucio as someone who went from bronze 5 to Gold 2 as support, tanks need more babysitting in the lower ranks, which lucio cant do very well. Thats why the big "healers" are typically higher over "support".

  • @broski4570
    @broski4570 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to add the context of the role the person plays that submits these tier lists. It would create good discussion for the next tier list.

  • @elmikason7530
    @elmikason7530 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem with those Tierlists is that most bronze and other metal rank players mostly not know how to play half of the heros

  • @duckdudette
    @duckdudette ปีที่แล้ว

    In defence of bronze Luciós, even when I went for speed boosts, teams rarely came with me. Also people die so fast in bronze!

  • @coreypark3244
    @coreypark3244 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:29 ... no, no they can't (a lot of the time). i'm gold and most of the widows i play with get maybe 1000 dmg and 5 kills. they're typically a liability

  • @IxQuit
    @IxQuit ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm only a silver / bronze player on console... Maybe it's a PC thing, but I strongly disagree with this list, even just based on what I see picked in my bronze tank games, lol. In OW1 I was a high silver / gold player, but I haven't broken into gold yet on my strongest role (Healer) but, I'm assuming that's mostly because I don't have much time to grind ranked. I get like an hour maybe 2 if I'm lucky to play after the kids go to bed.

  • @matanpaun6139
    @matanpaun6139 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a little brother who is bronze and he always ask me to play for him and i just pick sojourn and you can kill their whole team and then 1-2 players will leave the game

  • @johnmetzakis2910
    @johnmetzakis2910 ปีที่แล้ว

    it be interesting not only looking at the rank like bronze but the region. as an OCE bronze there are some choices here that don't come close to reflecting, the second list is pretty close to my own experiences. though ide move Brig and Bap up to A, doom and mei should be higher, Junker queen only that high when used on push maps I've even have those 27-0 matches with JQ and a good mercy post buff keeping me up in situations normally bas for a tank. i also agree sombra is high is expected as there are some decent players with her that can just shut down opposing support, or force a ball tank to swap.

    • @favlam1408
      @favlam1408 ปีที่แล้ว

      In some regions, they care more about playing meta than being good at x hero. For example, Asia server is more strict with meta with people asking to switch to this and that because 'pro-players' play it rather than what heroes they're best at.

    • @johnmetzakis2910
      @johnmetzakis2910 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@favlam1408 yeah i get that in a few matches

  • @joekim9790
    @joekim9790 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont know what that second guy was smoking when putting soujourn and sombra in S

    • @flareb99
      @flareb99 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably a support, sombra hacking them every second and souj just overclocking 3 people

    • @Un1234l
      @Un1234l ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sombra gets free reign in the backline at lower ranks. And no one can punish her. Like a Tracer.

    • @joekim9790
      @joekim9790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Un1234l yeah but she has little killing power. Tracer is more of a threat. Sombra just feels annoying.

  • @ghostoffantom
    @ghostoffantom ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No idea where these s tier bronze hamsters are coming from. I am bronze player and i have seen 1 hamster that wasn't absolutely useless. He was still bad but he at least got a kill. Yes a kill. One. Rest of the hamsters I've seen in bronze were going 007.

  • @jonathasvieira6414
    @jonathasvieira6414 ปีที่แล้ว

    My poor Zarya. They underestimate her power.

  • @ignited_phoenix8380
    @ignited_phoenix8380 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was in bronze/silver/ lobbies I dominated with Ana and Zen

  • @jhhe0919
    @jhhe0919 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a doom Main in bronze he is very good if you can get value

  • @gav24k21
    @gav24k21 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bronze-plat players think doom is bad because they are used to their tanks holding their hands throughout the entire game.

  • @liathedoll
    @liathedoll ปีที่แล้ว

    I think why Rein is in B-tier for that one person bc bronze Reins sometimes think all they do it be a wall

  • @Htiy
    @Htiy ปีที่แล้ว

    S: torb, sym, junkrat, reaper, dva, rein, bastion
    F: widow
    Back when I was brinze this was my experience

  • @varsame
    @varsame ปีที่แล้ว

    Zarya so low on their lists is comical seeing as metal ranks love shooting the bubbles

  • @Donler
    @Donler ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is Emongg aggregating and summarizing tier-lists? Hey! That's what I've been doing! -some Reddit user

  • @doggod8152
    @doggod8152 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me Bap is A since I like support and I like playing him like the damage is good the abilities are really good but the only problem with him is the cooldown and how he can shoot I think 3 bullets at a time

  • @mr_heffy2576
    @mr_heffy2576 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They should never make a tierlist again 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
    (Im a bronze tank player and a silver 1 support. Their lists are just complete trash)

  • @heavymetalover
    @heavymetalover ปีที่แล้ว

    19:11 is my list :D unfortunately i was asleep so i didn't see emongg review it :(

  • @DapimpBDSD
    @DapimpBDSD ปีที่แล้ว

    Kiriko is very good against noobs, they don't move as much, so headshots are SUPER easy, I've killed tanks by myself as kiriko and generally I'm the last alive

  • @ZippingWings
    @ZippingWings ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the people that put Jq higher up are probably dps that try to 1v1 the tank

  • @dragonworldraid9738
    @dragonworldraid9738 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sojourn is fkins S-tier in all ranks, from bronze 5 to top 0,01%. Just the fools of blizzard doesnt realize that.

  • @hotdogsam9557
    @hotdogsam9557 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me as a doom player in low silver he is bad because no one knowd how to shoot otjer people besides the tank. I get in the fight with my team and they just blow me up.

  • @itznordak
    @itznordak ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sojourn, the character you never see in low elo but when you do they usually completely dominate because all you have to do is spam railgun and you elim things

  • @utk8718
    @utk8718 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tierlist at 19:25 was definitely made by a mercy main lmao

  • @kylen9954
    @kylen9954 ปีที่แล้ว

    So emongg. I'm in gold. With the first list, once you get to high silver move everybody in B tier to S

  • @twixigan1387
    @twixigan1387 ปีที่แล้ว

    I disagree that bap and zen are c tier in the first list. I climbed out of bronze eith those two since I realised you can’t depend on anybody to get kills in bronze and i literally carried games with them.

  • @collinashley7259
    @collinashley7259 ปีที่แล้ว

    2nd to last seems accurate to my games

  • @UndertalefanH
    @UndertalefanH ปีที่แล้ว

    As a bronze player this is accurate.

  • @crt4292
    @crt4292 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ball in s for bronze is crazy.

  • @Notwedsquid
    @Notwedsquid ปีที่แล้ว

    Bronze tier list are weird I’ve would’ve thought that hero’s like sym and torb In s tier in most of tier list like some of them don’t make to much sense like widow ball and doom i would expect them so much lower even genji

  • @Schlachter748
    @Schlachter748 ปีที่แล้ว

    Iam a support player who started season 1 as bronze player and the list is ok but Mei zen Lucio sombra should never be that low I play on EU servers

  • @iasonaschristianos2516
    @iasonaschristianos2516 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should videos where someone makes a tier list and you have to guess what character hes playing

  • @Connorsea
    @Connorsea ปีที่แล้ว

    Genji is so easily S tier literally nobody xan hit him so you just don't die, most people shoot your deflect a few times aswell and all focus on you whilst not hitting you once in 10 seconds of engaging

  • @Al-Sahem-Al-Ghul
    @Al-Sahem-Al-Ghul ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m bronze 4 support. I have Ball and Rat in A. Brig lower.

  • @luketallman891
    @luketallman891 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll be honest, Soldier always seems to be too low for these lists for bronze because it's the easiest character to pick up.

  • @honey8cake56
    @honey8cake56 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think junkrat is in B in bronze bc it takes awhile to actually realise that the less you aim the better you do lmaooo

  • @infowarrior313
    @infowarrior313 ปีที่แล้ว

    The comment section is killing it. Im seeing alot of really good takes here.

  • @ZippingWings
    @ZippingWings ปีที่แล้ว

    I do feel Sojurun is good in low elo idk abt bronze I’m a low elo tank player (Jq rein) and went 52 and 3

  • @fruicyjuit6243
    @fruicyjuit6243 ปีที่แล้ว

    second the guy watch a higher player tier list and try to go based on that

  • @43Devin90Volkerz
    @43Devin90Volkerz ปีที่แล้ว

    some tier list is so far away with what I expected. There's no way Sombra is S tier, she requires so much coordination and teamwork, and bronze is far from it. How is Hammond S tier in bronze when some bronze folks literally jump off the map on their own. If you can play widow/ tracer/ echo etc as A tier in bronze, you would already climb instead of being a hard-stuck bronze.
    Maybe whoever made this list is just a new player with a lot of gaming experience, trying out the game for the first time and already out of bronze by now.

  • @skippydw1228
    @skippydw1228 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like this just goes to show bronzes don't even really know what's good in their own rank. Couldn't even agree on Moira for all of them.

  • @noahwilson6292
    @noahwilson6292 ปีที่แล้ว

    tracer is an S tier hero at any rank, you just have to be good

  • @Ricky-bw9qf
    @Ricky-bw9qf ปีที่แล้ว

    As a newly started ow2 player who was initially placed in silver and partnered with complete new players who shoot walls. Deranged to bronze 4 and I will say almost all the heros in the 3rd tier list are incorrect. At least from my experience.

  • @cinderschitt
    @cinderschitt ปีที่แล้ว

    Moira is good in bronze bc ppl can't aim. You don't have to aim and if you happen to get hit you have time to regen

  • @FlamingNinjaBoi
    @FlamingNinjaBoi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lucio being D at low rank is not at all surprising to me, a Lucio main. He's just an insanely mechanical character if you want value out of him, and his healing - something a bronze player will possibly exclusively be looking for in their supps due to naivete - is mid at best. The healing issue is compounded because most low rank players are face tanking copious amounts of damage with no care for the state of their HP bars. No burst heals? No deal.
    Aside from the healing, the rest of his kit really needs 'technical knowledge' to get any value out of. Diving, covering fellow squishies from attackers, wall riding (+ shooting while riding), speed usage, amp usage, ulting, even the damn boops... it's all heavily skill based. Very low value in metal ranks. Even in diamond I rarely see Lucios, and struggle to get people playing off my speed.

    • @FlamingNinjaBoi
      @FlamingNinjaBoi ปีที่แล้ว

      @Olivier Aube Two paragraphs is an 'essay' for you?
      Haha. Sorry for your loss.

  • @notmyname1038
    @notmyname1038 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bronze Lucios are heal bots . They are 100 percent D tier