Imagine walking into a place in open revolt with your camera, people are yelling at you to stop filming, and you sneak through like an underage college student trying to get into a bar. Love it
Your are very wrong :) They shout in Russian: 'Come on! Come in! He is a journalist from decent media, he is on our side' - this part was definitely specially staged - looks very biased and unnatural as if Russian miners could speak English or knew something about foreign media and appreciate it - they couldn't and didn't..
USA, This is such a shame! I understand that in Kiev were the people too and some of them went on the streets for the better life. I so want to write so many words about what is "Right Sector", why EU and US close the eyes about it, why they call Putin a Hitler after he made 3 languages in Crimea and close eyes on Timoshenko call for nukes and people yelling "put Russins on knives!" and "who doesn't jump that one is moskal", but I'm alredy tired to comment on your double standarts and lie. And believe me, these videoes are not fabricated, this is the real life of Ukraine. Really.
Russia seems to be trying to get back its lost provinces it lost after the USSR collapsed. I wonder if they would attempt to invade Finland. it was once part of Russia also.
Anthony Byers In the eyes of the west, The rise of this New Russia is very frightening. NATO and the US do not want Russia to become powerful again, they have been working the last two decades to surround and incorparate the former Soviet Union into its influence. However with the rise of Putin and his dreams to rebuild, not a new communist Soviet Union, but a nationalist powerful Russia is standing up to them. To the people of Russia and the east, he is a hero, he may be a dictator... he may be relentlessness, but his goals to make Russia great again have forged on, and neither Europe or the US have or can stop him. I fear if we let Putin take Ukraine, he wont stop till he has all of Eastern Europe back, however if we do stop him.... we could risk war.
doesnt matter. if you want to join a nation or not. you need to do it democratically. you cant just march in there and steal land. thats what russia did.
Those who say "Russia should respect the Ukrainian people's self-agency" (meaning they can be pro-EU, pro-US), should also say "Ukraine should respect the self-agency of its people who no longer wished to be part of Ukraine."
Jesus, they dont have international or ukrainian right to separate. Only all nation can decide what will be with one or another region of their country.
Issac Dovahkiin So now we have biggest drug traffic in Afganistan after years of USA occupation. When USSR came in any country soviet people improve iunderdeveloped infrastructure and build energetic objects.My country (USSR) give new tecnologies to that countries(VietNam,NorthKorea,Egypt,Afganistan,India,China). When USA comes in it destroy industrial sector and make countryes as a colony, commodity market for their goods.
Меня прикалывают люди которые говорят: "Хотите быть частью России - уезжайте". Вы вообще в курсе что территория принадлежит народу?! Или вы как думали: Пригнали десять тысяч человек на Майдан, посадили хунту править и теперь вся Украина ваша??? Почему восток Украины должен подчиняться правительству?! Их никто не выбирал и им срать на мнение юго-востока страны. Они хотели решить судьбу всей Украины в Киеве. На Украине и раньше восток и запад были разными. И Майдан вбил клин между ними. Именно "Майдан" развалил страну!
Самое интересное, что они не понимают, что на Майдане даже не было 1% населения Украины. Т.е. при приблизительно 40 млн населения (вместе с Крымом) 1%=400тыс.
People in every region globally should have the democratic right to self determination under United Nations law. Let people vote. Have UN and OSCE observers and respect the results. I'm against Russia invasion of Ukraine but I believe DPR and LPR are justified in defending their oblasts from Ukraine.
Yes they should have self determination and RUSSIA needs to let that happen instead of sending milita, driving out all the opposition they can, holding faked referendums then trying to conquer them. As things stood in the last fare election the majority voted for pro-ukrain partys
А когда ЛНР и ДНР были против АТО и входа в состав Украины и тем более с таким режимом вы были такого мнения, или это сейчас политика Зеленского. И теперь против вторжения России в Украину. Какого было и сейчас городам Донбасса и Луганска ещё захваченных и обстреливаемых Украиной. Ещё территории Донбасса не освобождены наверное в курсе.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll see how your culture has mass genocide and rape??? Russia is a plague to this earth, and should have been bombed, not japan. =)
Pasparal da Beira do Canal Its not like Putin isn't doing anything, it's shocking that most of the Left Wingers say that the protests in the Maindan were backed by the US and Eu and had a strong fascist ideology. Can't the same be happening in Eastern Ukraine but with Russian?
WizzMills To paraphrase your question: aren't the pro-Russian separatists just as right-wing and racist as the US-backed opposition which overthrew the elected government in February? That's a good point. But if you take into account the extreme reputation of Svoboda and Pravy Sektor, and their hostility, not only against ethnic Russians, but also against Jews, Poles and other minority groups, this question doesn't seem that difficult to answer. To the separatists Russia largely represents a multi-ethnic state and (although no more the case) the egalitarian ideals of the former USSR. Compare that to the Maidan junta with its close ties to the US State Department and the IMF.
Your not seeing what's going on here. The Ukraine government is in shambles, and most of the people demonstrating see the writing all over the wall. People are fickle and generally want to be on the winning side. That side is obviously Russia, and seeing as how many Ukrainians were alive when Ukraine was part of the USSR, they want to go back to that time. They are playing right into Putin's hands. He's not staying back because he's some peace loving guy, he's just waiting for the people to demand that he "save" them.
Man look at all those people expressing their belief to be independent or join Russia. And Ukraine attacked them for this? And Russia is bad for attacking Ukraine ?😂
Don't be a simpleton. In any country, an armed rebellion & seccession is treason & is dealt with force. And these idiots compounded that treason by colluding with a foreign government that manipulated them.
@@jacqdanieleswhat you have described is exactly what happened in Maidan before this. Do you think the people of Donbass chose to rise up for no reason? They were being blamed for Ukraine's problems and laws were being passed that were going to affect their way of life. They had a decision to either embrace Bandera or fight for what their ancestors did 70 years ago.
@@mattcannon8467 load of horse manure gaslighting. Maidan was a result of protests that the pootin puppet government tried to extinguish with force. It then snowballed into a revolution. Donbas was a clear instigation & proxy war waged by ruzzia. After annexing Crimea, Ruzzian FSB & GRU infiltrators like Igor Girkin were on the ground in Donbas in early 2014 organizing, arming, & funding a fake separatist movement that was sold to the world as an organic separatist movement. All of that has been documented in this series. Yet you still make up sh1t.
@@jacqdanieles please, link to the claims you are making. I've watched this whole series a few times and from what I can tell, USA was caught plotting the coup. There's phone calls that were recorded. Biden can literally say anything and people will believe him. Like the pipeline being blown up. You gonna deny he had anything to do with that?
I'm actually quite pleasantly surprised to see VICE do a coverage on this, at first i thought VICE was just another anti-Russian media. Now i know they are not. But, alas, my mood was quickly destroyed when i scrolled down to the comments, to see people be negative towards these protests even though they were supporting the ones in Euromaidan.
Maidan was an anti-corruption protest. These protests are instigated by the Russian propaganda, that made people think that Maidan was a nazi takeover, which is obviously utter bullshit.
Dejan Andric Which was done by Yanukovich and his family. Same thing is going to happen in Russia in near future, since even the Russian officials admit that the economy is stagnating possibly going into recession. Economic reasons are not a good reason to join another country. If it's economic, then you just protest against the economic issues, vote for a different government or take a train and move. The only reason for separation is if the central government somehow discriminates, against you. However that obviously wasn't happening. It's the opposite: Donetsk was always receiving subsidies from the central government. Current government policies didn't even have time to have any effect yet. It will take at least a year to notice any difference. All of the current problems are still the legacy of the previous government. The ex-president was actually from Donetsk region. Most the people in Donetsk voted for him.
its easy for people in the comments sections to pick a side, but unless you live in the situation where these people do then you have no clue what you're on about. I dont blame Eastern Ukraine to want to be part of Russia, and i dont blame the rest of Ukraine not wanting to let them go. Its a real shit fight and i dont know how its going to be solved.
Federalising Ukraine seems sensible to me. I was surprised that Ukraine was not a Federation -- it has a large population and some obvious regional divisions in economy and culturally. A lot depends on how Kiev reacts to the protests in the Russia-leaning parts of Ukraine. They could trigger a civil war (that Russia would almost certainly intervene decisively in), so they should be extremely cautious. It may now be too late to hold the remaining regions together in a unified state, the damage having been done by earlier bad decisions. (Crimea is gone -- even the most anti-Russian Western media have given up on the "invasion" argument.)
@@boggisthecat Федерализацию и жить без проблем можно было ещё при подписании Минских соглашений и выполнив их а не доводят восток Украины до состояния что совсем не хотят с Украиной. Теперь уже поздно.
@@zvonoc-80 Yes, I understand that. My original comment was 9 years ago, after Crimea had been retaken by the Russian Federation. Kyiv started out with the smart idea of being the go-between of Russia and the EU, but that depended on maintaining stability within a country with multiple identities. Russia has been largely successful at maintaining the balance between local autonomy and national unity - ‘Russia is a nation of multiple religions and cultures’. Ukraine, especially following US interference in 2004 then 2014, has pursued a lie that they are ‘one people’ - and those who do not fit that lie are persecuted. Ukraine is now a lost cause for the US. The intended strategy to cripple Russia economically failed spectacularly, and they were unable to meet even the minimal military requirements of Kyiv to fight Russian forces. The US is already pushing the Baltic states to crack down further on their Russian populations. That will inevitably pressure Moscow to become more involved in that region. The ‘long game’ is still going, and the US will be willing to wreck all of Europe in an attempt to pull down Russia. I don’t understand how they really believe they are in a position to also bring down China. Empires typically descend into madness before they finally fall.
Россия+Украина=навсегда вместе! Люблю наш народ! Рождена в СССР! Хочу назад! Европа, США уберите ваши грязные в крови руки от нас!!! Не нужны нам ваши кредиты, партнёрство, сланцевый газ, пропаганда фашизма и гей-парады! Марина, Днепропетровск.
Translation: (Marina is from Dnepropetrovsk city, Eastern Ukraine) Russia + Ukraine = friends forever! I love our people! I was born in USSR and want back! Europe, USA, hands off from us! We don't need you credits, partnership, shale gas, propaganda of fascism and gay parades!
Никита Вареня Так она и говорит за себя. Ты вот, за себя брякнут) Желаешь западных кредитов, гейпарадов? Сланцевой нефти и газа, который в считанные годы превратит твой край в непролазные говнищща? Думаешь "Европы" с распростёртыми объятиями и мешком бабла и сникерсов нас ждут?
WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT THEY ARE MOSTLY RUSSIAN ANYWAY AND WERE BEFOR W.W. TWO THEY WILL SEE WHEN ALL THEIR RIGHTS ARE GONE ?? RUSSIA WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL BEND OVER FOR THE DICTATOR OR K.G.B. COL. SORRY FOR THEM. JOSEPH
Tautinė Lietuvos gyventojų sudėtis pagal 2011 m. Statistikos Departamento duomenis: rusai - 5,8 % (176,9 tūkst.) They did not die for nothing. There is worse situation in Latvia
Дайте людям провести референдум если они этого хотят. Скорее всего не хватит голосов за присоединение к России. Если бы там было много за, то людей на площади было бы больше. Да, есть там желающие, думающие что в России будет мед и сказка, но их все же меньше. Да и Россия на самом деле не особо то и планирует присоединение Донбаса. Это уже четко показано. Но если со стороны антиконституционной хунты в Киеве начнется резня, то России уже придется просто защищать людей от смерти.
What makes you think that? It looks like there's only about a few hundred people at most protesting which makes sense since the vast majority of Eastern Ukraine wants to stay in Ukraine, they just want reforms.
In dispatch twenty, not a word was said about the reason for the protest (the killing of a right sektor leader by police). Here, we only get interviews with people who want to join Russia. Not a word about the demand for a referendum on greater autonomy for the regions. Bloomberg, FT, euronews... they all report it. Isn't editing handy...
That's exactly what they're doing. The West destroyed their country with their usual shit. Divide and conquer tactics, whole country is led to civil war, banksters need to fund some more wars and instill chaos before they move in as saviours with their unbearable loans that will enslave everyone in Ukraine for decades, maybe even centuries. People want a referendum, they want to vote on what they think is best for them. That's what Democracy was about, letting the people decide for their own future. I know it's hard for Westerners to perceive a concept where you actually forge your own future, but it can be done.
Hahaha I love how every time people criticize the Venezuelan government, someone comes out and blames the CIA... Yeah, because the CIA hires kids like me to post their opinions on youtube.. grow up.
East Ukrainian region of Donbas also known as Donets Basin used to be Russian lands. Entire Donbas Region (East Ukraine) was a part of Russia back in the day. People in Donetsk (Donbas region) used to be ethnic Russians but when Donetsk and other cities from Donbas region that got transferred to Ukraine people of Russian ethnicity eventually got mixed up with ethnic Ukranians. Now people in Donbas region identify themselves as Ukranians, but the Russian mentality and heritage still lives strong in them and that's why they want to be closer to Russia.
Well if that's how we decided borders than the entire western part of Russia should go back to Germany and Italy should have all of Western Europe. After all those lands belonged to them for hundreds of years.
snooperbob You sound so angry kid, did your mommy take too much for your basement rent this month? Yes obviously Prussia doesn't exist today, thank you for stating the obvious dumby.
snooperbob I wouldn't say Prussias border includes parts of Russia. It borders the old USSR's borders, sure, but not todays Russia. It stops around where Lithuania is located.
Luis Sanchez The US has thousands upon thousands of troops in various European countries (whose populations don't want those American bases and soldiers there), yet we don't call that an invasion. [Perhaps we should.] But that's exactly how the Russian soldiers in Ukraine happen to be there: Ukraine and Russia have a military treaty that entitles Russia to post up to 25,000 troops anywhere in Ukraine. For some reason, our MSM (but also Vice News, apparently) don't want us to know that.
Vaska Tumir We have troops on military bases in those countries, and they gladly let us in there. We pay them rent, and local business owners get a boost to sales.
Я думаю что вас туда пустили только потому что перепутали название Life Nevs и Vice News, слишком созвучно поэтому вам повезло. В любом случае молодцы, что вещаете про Украину, ибо то что я увидел на вашем канале, по тв не показывали, рад что международное сообщество поддерживает Украину и показывает правду. Спасибо Саймон за всю работу которую ты проделал, никто не смог побывать там где побывал ты. Респект!
Wow I've been watching a lot of these Dispatches and one thing is quite clear, tires must grow on trees, if not where do they get all those darn tires?
Я не перестаю удивляться. Первое моё удивление было, когда я увидел, что реально большинство в Крыму хотят в Россию. И не просто хотят, а готовы предпринимать реальные действия. а теперь Луганск и Донецк. Причём они организуются, создают структуры. Респект вам, ребята, и уважуха. Если решитесь до нашего шалашу ), будем вам рады. Только не ждите печенек, сначала вместе прийдётся горя хлебнуть. Никто в мире нам не простит поднятой головы.
1:45 if you want to live in russia... move there. if someone wants to live in england, they dont just decide their city is now owned by england. the --real-- world doesnt work like that.
Никогда запад и восток не был одной страной. Можно возмущаться, психовать, троллить... Но никогда западная Украина и Восточная Украина не была единой страной по определению! Восток и Крым тупо престегнули к Украине и в этом вся проблема и для Запада и для Востока. Если кто-то думает что Украина едина, то пусть ответит почему Киевская хунта так сильно боится референдума????
It is not Ukraine's obligation to maintain the kind of relationship that Russia wants. On the contrary, Ukraine has the right to maintain a relationship with Russia that Ukraine wants. This is like a jealous husband who still can not get over her wife who have left him !
Yes, a few thousand people, NOT hundreds of thousands can and should move to Russia. Ukraine will NOT allow the City to break apart! If Putin sends troops over the border, than get ready for NATO to send troops over the border!
if the people of the Ukraine wish to be reunited with Russia , who are we to say no. If America lost texas in a similar fashion what would we do? what would we want ? At the end of the day this has absolutely fuck -all to do with our nation (the u.s.) and we should really be more worried about our own domestic issues.
*An interesting thing happened. I'm from Serbia and we have an American guy here from Illinois who's famous on YT for doing videos and vlogs about our country etc...he said in his latest vlog, among other things, that he was contacted by Vice News via email about [quote] giving them something dirty about Serbia/what's going on in Serbia [quote]. (something that can be sorted in the dirty department for them to exploit and make news about it here, like with all the other Chronicles videos about other countries and their issues, i would presume)* *So yeah, just wanted to share that with the peeps watching Vice here...i also watch these Dispatches about Ukraine regularly.*
strange, one minute they fought not to join Russia and join the EU, next minute they are fighting to join Russia. almost makes you feel like the first fight was useless.
I was born in Sinfiropel and raised in Xarkov moved here in '96 I am also for Russia BUT i do not know how it will effect the Ukrainian people in terms of jobs and livelihood so I hope it will be good.
На западе есть честные репортеры и политики, но их почти не слышно. Впрочем и у нас хватает лживых "Дождей"и прочих, Дождемся ли когда- нибудь, что СМИ станут действительно средствами информации, а не изрыгателями помоев. Ролики этого репортера вижу не в первый раз. Спасибо ему!
There are honest news but just like every country there are news and there are news from government. It’s all the same I info and stories at the same time and that how you can tell. Vice is honorable. They filmed both sides of this. So I’ve been telling everyone this war has come full circle bc they can’t trust a vote. Soldier pressure from both sides. Empty boxes at the end of the night. 2030 is predicted in the stars
I have a lot of relatives and friends there (Donetsk) and spent a half of my childhood there, and I have to say -these idiots representing maximum 10% of whole people of this city. Other 90% don`t want to be a part of Russia and very unhappy this is happening... But it is not Kiev, and they just scared to death to even go outside with Ukrainian symbols. They know that it will be very bloody, considering Russian troops, criminals and police which support not people but terrorists. In case of violence police will stay and look at the criminals beating people to death. The same thing was at Maidan, but there where Ukrainians who were ready to die for freedom and independence of Ukraine. Here -they have no reason to die for anything. They are not happy in Ukraine (never were). But they don`t want to be a part of Russia as well. It is a no win situation for them. And I feel sorry for all the normal people of Eastern Ukraine, and don`t know what the solutions is..except of Putin kills himself under the pressure of conscience and guilt and Ukraine will grow strong and show the East that there are a reason to live and there are a light in the end of the tunnel.
The biggest problem with this video is how they try to make it represent the entirety of the people there. I see a couple thousand people but you don't see the rest of the population. How much of a majority is this population standing here in this video? There are more people attending an NFL football game in the US then there are at this location which us supposed to be the biggest region in Eastern Ukraine. I am seriously worried about how misleading this video actually is.
Well what is the population of the region that wants independents? The total population of the country is only 43 million. Let me know when you find out.
For People that know about the history of Crimea, it make perfect sense why large parts of the population want to be reunited with Russia. It's not even a revolt, it's the correcting a freak accident that occurred during the fall of the Soviet Union. This has little to do with what Putin wants, and everything to do what the people in Crimeans feel is right. Culturally, economically, religiously and linguistically are most Crimeans related to Russia, and many have large parts of their families living in Russia. Imagine for a moment, a radical group, funded by Mexico takes Florida hostage, makes Spanish the official language, threatens freedom of Religion and starts negotiations to join Mexico. That might roughly describe the situation in Crimea. Putin handles the situation like a true statesman, something the US hasn't had for the longest time. Russia is respecting the peoples decision. If the choose to remain independent, that will be accepted. If they choose to re-unify with Russia, that will be supported. By the looks of it, not only based on this video, the population at large as no interest to join the EU and with that the NATO, and station US missiles pointing to Russia. That would be plain insanity. Moreover, most people in the Ukraine know that the overthrow of their government was orchestrated by the US. Crimea enjoys 84% discount over the rates charged to the EU for Gas. Russia holds all of their national debt. Russia has committed 8 times more funding than the EU, in case they want to remain independent. Joining Russia would of course, eliminate the national debt all together and instantly integrate into the network of social services. The Russian troops in Crimea are stationed there under an agreement similar to what the US has with Guantanamo in Cuba. It's absolutely legit and not hostile. Crimea is also a very important historical and archeological side for Russia, and a favorite vacation destination.
It speaks for itself. The only reason Ukrainians are worried is because they have family there and they don't want drama. Other than that they are a bunch of traidors and suckups to america. That area used to be Russia anyway, and is mostly Russian. So just because you guys hear bullshit about Russia and Putin on your "manipulated and controlled " fox news or other american news including cnn, doesn't mean it is as bad as they want you to think it is. Its all a plan and America is also playing a big role, and payed protesters and infiltrators. Its all BS
FDR (WWII President) has served 4 terms. There are currently 3 current and 1 old bills in congress to extent Obama's terms to three or unlimited terms. There are three additional options to play the system. He can simply declare a state of emergency, or act against the law as he has done over and over again. He has build up Homeland security to rival any military in the world. It's like his private Army inside America. /watch?v=EL4hDXuyXRg Obama has issued Executive orders giving him authorities that exceed the power Hitler had. It only takes 8 words from him to invoke this power. Plus, all young people were more or less forced to sign up for military draft. If the Ukraine unites with Russia the debt owed to Russia becomes null and void. The only similarity Putin's Russia has with Hitler's Germany is the fact that it is manipulated by intrigues by the the same forces that manipulated Germany. Protesters in the US are beaten down. The police is being militarized and increasingly disregards peoples rights. Police brutality is rampant in the US. /results?search_query=police+brutality The US has hundreds of concentration camps ready to go./results?search_query=fema+camps Pussy Riot was performing most indecent acts inside a church and other places of business. May I remind of the chicken. I refuse to go into more detail. You should be ashamed to defend their actions. However provocative, Putin did not prosecute them for their actions in the public, but for their actions in churches and supermarkets, violating other peoples rights. They would have gotten worth in the US. Putin/Russia is under permanent attack from the west, including HAARP, electronic surveillance, violations of air space, and many more things that never become public. He is forced to take a strong stand. Russia gives the Ukraine gas 84% cheaper than it charges Germany. That is probably at or below Gasprom's cost. And let's not talk about "the leakage". When the Soviet Union fell apart, there was no rational process. That is partially the reason for some of the conflicts of Russia and it's neighboring countries. I am not saying that all is just, but when communications breaks down, things tend to get ugly. The ten day ultimatum is for territories that had a referendum and the majority of people opted to join Russia, not for all of the Ukraine. Putin's actions are in accordance to international law. The US rarely observes international law. The US interest is to station nuclear missiles in the Ukraine. If that were to happen, The Ukraine would become the number target and MUST be destroyed first in case of an international conflict. How insane can you be? WWII started when England encouraged Poland to do what they felt to do as England would guarantee their safety. For that reason, reasonable negotiations about transit fees between Germany and Keonigsberg, and the safety of Germans in Poland were impossible. Poland had no idea that they where played by England. The Ukraine is in a similar position right now. The US/Nato won't be able and will not help you in case of a conflict. The Ukraine is no more than a strategic first strike asset. One that makes WWIII more likely. Do you homework on Chechen yourself. It's not black and white as you like to make it to be. If you want to get a feeling for how different reality is from what the public knows, here is an excellent example of History. After that ask yourself how much else you may not be aware off. /watch?v=AJ5MeQnmLo0&list=PL_YgloinfYxBHXb2xt5bL7fQlkMBi6Igw And here is the theory behind the US/EU politics and media strategy. After that you will understand why Pussy Riot is not a trivial thing that can be tolerated. /watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M&list=PL_YgloinfYxBHXb2xt5bL7fQlkMBi6Igw The US is currently involved in war activities in 74 countries. It has turned over governments for a hundred years. Sadam Hussein, Gaddafi and many other Dictators were installed by the US. Taliban and Al-Qaeda are creations of the US. What kind of a world do live in. The Ukraine is a tool and will be wasted in a hard beat if it serves a strategic goal. The US has not the support of the people anymore. The US and EU are being turned into a Marxist system. The end goal is a Marxist World government to run the world after WWIII, with a target world population of 8-15% of today. The Ukraine is currently used as an excuse to start that WWIII. Iran failed many times to start, Syria fail due to Putins stand and massive protests around the world., and now the Ukraine is used to start it. This is how Washington goes about this kind of business. /watch?v=gsxgTGvDMoo Stop listening to the Mainstream Media. You are being brainwashed. Abby Martin of RT America is very critical of Putin on Crimea. i don't agree with her, but she is free to present the case as she sees it. /watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs
Don't be rude. Ukraine may become nice country when they cure themselves from this madness. Poor Ukraine! Treatment will be hard, but they made it by their own hands. Let the beast of chaos devours itself. Let all hate be burned out and love and peace and wisdom will reign!
On one hand, Russian propaganda had very strong "anti-fascist" and "minority-protection" rhetoric. On the other hand, it exploited traditional - both Soviet and pre-Soviet - anti-Ukrainian stereotypes that divided Ukrainians into a loyal majority of "Little Russians" (a dull but harmless provincial branch of Great Russians) and the perverse minority of "nationalists" (arguably corrupted by Western influence and therefore obsessed with a crazy idea of Ukraine's difference and separateness).The Russian elite, infected by its own propaganda, becomes increasingly paranoid and determined to fight the invented "fascists" in neighbouring countries as if they are real. This means that whatever Ukraine does or says in this regard, it matters little. The real choice is either to share the fate of the 1956 Hungary and 1968 Czechoslovakia invasions by the Red army or to follow the example of the 1920 Poland and 1940 Finland (when the Russians were contained).
Who are you trying to fool, there is widespread apology for fascism going on from Baltic states to Western Ukraine. There is discrimination against Russians taking place. And Russia has been remarkably patient with this outrage.
Leos Tomicek You`ve been watching too much Russian TV. As an ethnic Latvian i can confirm there is indeed some discrimination - but it is against Latvians, who can`t find a job in their country if they don`t speak the ``minority`` language - Russian. There is no widespread apology for fascism though, however we do know that all occupants were equally bad, and unlike Germans who don`t tell us how to live now, these Russians or should i say post-soviet zombies are still there with their imperialistic ideas.
If all people claimed their home towns are now in other countries, I vote my town belongs to Canada, New Zealand or Denmark. No police or soldiers, just a piece of paper, signatures and recognition in the UN. Then a flag, currency, embassies, a few more forms and elections.
For quite a long time it has been taught that communism is essentially dead, so there aren't many people who continue to study communism. As such, people can't see what this crises is really about. I've studied communism and all it's forms (liberal, liberal progressive, social democrat, labor parties, labor unions, socialism, Marxism, Maoism and several more) for over 40 years. This included infiltration of many of the communist factions in the US. In general, what we have today are two distinct forms of communism in conflict. The Western form is a candy-coated communism moving slowly toward overt communism. Putin represents the iron fist of communism, we was a totally devoted KGB Stalinist communist. The Ukraine is split between the two forms. If you look close you will even see pro-West Ukrainians with the communist flag. Infighting is a very common trait with communism/socialism factions. This can be seen during the Russian Revolution onward. They turn on their own with as much vigor as they do their enemies, the Chinese Cultural Revolution shows how sever that can be. People think we won the Cold War. The Cold War isn't over, it's changed dramatically into a psychological war. Communism and uncontrolled capitalism have learned how to cooperate in ways that benefit both. Controlling the worker and consumer consolidates power for both. The majority of Russians are as communist as they've always been, but the Ukrainians got a taste of sugar-coated Western communism and wants to stay in the candy store. So don't be fooled by the media, this is a conflict between communists. Thomas
That is the very first time I have heard or in this case read a view like this and it makes a ton of sense.I'm American and can see exactly what your saying here,a lot of truth in your words of wisdom there buddy.
wishen4fishen2 Thank you very much. I believe that when a person sees something that others don't, it is so important to share it because you never know, you just might be right. Another good reason for the freedom of speech. Thomas
interesting,,, i think you have freedom of speech in russia..but at the same time..you have to make sure you have the right coffin for your going out party right after your speech.
there about 1000-2000 people with russian flags only in 1 000 000 city. don't count this seriously. it's not the same "maidan" as it was in kiev where 200-300K people were on streets (in 3M city).
NichiroTeikoku Janukovich didn't move donetsk to russia in 2010 election campaign. also he promised lot's of good things (like move to EU) in those days. nothing was done by him. so what?! right - disappointment
Vyacheslav Potapenko Yanukovich disappointed all, indeed, he did disappoint the people in the East, because he didn't move Donetsk back towards historic Russia. Instead he wasted all his time. That doesn't however mean millions didn't vote for the Idea of historic unity and brotherhood with Russia. As you can see the people will never surrender to the criminals in Kiev, no matter how many times buildings will be stormed. It is imperative to wipe out all strange "convinced ukrainians" in the East. They better live in Lviv happily ever after.
NichiroTeikoku maybe after Putin and when some russians in Kremlin stop to be aggressors, stupid, bureaucratic, imperialistic etc then 'normal' people in rus and ukr can start to feel again that they are brothers.
Vyacheslav Potapenko Putin didn't star this, Kiev and Maidanazis started this. And there is no need to be brothers with ukrainian nazis at all. Quite the opposite, it is time to free historic russian territory from so-called "ukrainization" of the bolsheviks era.
Finally, a decent and truthful episode. I guess Simon ran out of ideas to support those fascists out in the West. US just spent 5 billion to expand the Russian Empire. lol
Russia is already by far the largest country in the world. Why make it larger? Why can't ethnic Russians live in separate independent countries and maintain ethnic and cultural unity without national unity? Russia is larger than Australia and Brazil combined - which are the 5th and 6th largest countries in the world.
Well whatever it is. Something has begun.
I'm afraid you're right.
your right i have made a sandwich. Now i'm eating it.
Neo Zeon I read that as I saw the people making sandwiches
Didn't expect you to be here, old AltHistoryHub.
well, you were wrong.
Imagine walking into a place in open revolt with your camera, people are yelling at you to stop filming, and you sneak through like an underage college student trying to get into a bar. Love it
They weren't even sneaking in they were allowed to lol.
@@Георг-л5л The dude that let them through was not an authority in there.
Your are very wrong :) They shout in Russian: 'Come on! Come in! He is a journalist from decent media, he is on our side' - this part was definitely specially staged - looks very biased and unnatural as if Russian miners could speak English or knew something about foreign media and appreciate it - they couldn't and didn't..
´´Vice. The Truth´´ Good job
Ну хоть VICE про Донецк рассказали, а то остальные молчат зарубежные СМИ
Russia Today рассказывали тоже
EU.Karyukin ну RT это российские СМИ вещающие зарубежом.
***** Ты идиот.
Нормально он делал выводы, я бы даже сказал, где мог выискивал, хоть какой нибудь намек на насилие и находил со стороны ВС РФ.
***** Нет, туда инопланетяне прилетели в зеленом камуфляже )))
Referendum has come!
USA, This is such a shame! I understand that in Kiev were the people too and some of them went on the streets for the better life. I so want to write so many words about what is "Right Sector", why EU and US close the eyes about it, why they call Putin a Hitler after he made 3 languages in Crimea and close eyes on Timoshenko call for nukes and people yelling "put Russins on knives!" and "who doesn't jump that one is moskal", but I'm alredy tired to comment on your double standarts and lie. And believe me, these videoes are not fabricated, this is the real life of Ukraine. Really.
I can see Ukraine slowly chipping away as more people decides to join Russia.
Russia seems to be trying to get back its lost provinces it lost after the USSR collapsed. I wonder if they would attempt to invade Finland. it was once part of Russia also.
Anthony Byers In the eyes of the west, The rise of this New Russia is very frightening. NATO and the US do not want Russia to become powerful again, they have been working the last two decades to surround and incorparate the former Soviet Union into its influence. However with the rise of Putin and his dreams to rebuild, not a new communist Soviet Union, but a nationalist powerful Russia is standing up to them. To the people of Russia and the east, he is a hero, he may be a dictator... he may be relentlessness, but his goals to make Russia great again have forged on, and neither Europe or the US have or can stop him. I fear if we let Putin take Ukraine, he wont stop till he has all of Eastern Europe back, however if we do stop him.... we could risk war.
doesnt matter. if you want to join a nation or not. you need to do it democratically. you cant just march in there and steal land. thats what russia did.
Justice782 IDIOT!...just plain idiot. Read something first.
Its a possibility that more regions will say they want to join Russia. Then Russia might as well annex the whole country
Those who say "Russia should respect the Ukrainian people's self-agency" (meaning they can be pro-EU, pro-US), should also say "Ukraine should respect the self-agency of its people who no longer wished to be part of Ukraine."
True
Jesus, they dont have international or ukrainian right to separate. Only all nation can decide what will be with one or another region of their country.
@@Self_Sabotage87 They have one since 2008
Your youtube nick picture says everything we need know. Old ass commie xdd
Move to Russia
Simon rocks as always
People will always choose an ability to put food on the table over ideology everytime.
Vice showing Russian supporters and not bad mouthing them painting them as terrorists? I am impressed, there is hope for you yet VICE :D
Этот день настал❤️🤧
and in Kherson? :)
@kotejikRU cry about what? Russia losing thousands of men IN Ukraine? 😂😭😭😭😭
@@xo121w and Ukraine is not, even according to American sources, the dead military of Ukraine 100,000+)
@@CREW-gb3bv and? Ukraine doesnt have choice. russia can leave.
@@xo121w no, ukraine must leave the donbass, they are not welcome there
Russia does not start wars, but it finishes them.
Ukraine is not an exception.
So what happened in Afghanistan?
Issac Dovahkiin USA funding the Taliban (whom they are fighting at this very instance using the US people's tax money) is what happened, my friend.
I know that, I was just referring that Russia didn't do so well in Afghanistan. just pointing out Russia doesn't finish everything is all.
Issac Dovahkiin So now we have biggest drug traffic in Afganistan after years of USA occupation. When USSR came in any country soviet people improve iunderdeveloped infrastructure and build energetic objects.My country (USSR) give new tecnologies to that countries(VietNam,NorthKorea,Egypt,Afganistan,India,China). When USA comes in it destroy industrial sector and make countryes as a colony, commodity market for their goods.
Yeah Russia sure helped Afghanistan...
The grass on the other side is always greener.
Ah, I can't even watch these anymore. If not the video itself, then the comments are too damn depressing.
Меня прикалывают люди которые говорят: "Хотите быть частью России - уезжайте". Вы вообще в курсе что территория принадлежит народу?! Или вы как думали: Пригнали десять тысяч человек на Майдан, посадили хунту править и теперь вся Украина ваша??? Почему восток Украины должен подчиняться правительству?! Их никто не выбирал и им срать на мнение юго-востока страны. Они хотели решить судьбу всей Украины в Киеве.
На Украине и раньше восток и запад были разными. И Майдан вбил клин между ними. Именно "Майдан" развалил страну!
Самое интересное, что они не понимают, что на Майдане даже не было 1% населения Украины. Т.е. при приблизительно 40 млн населения (вместе с Крымом) 1%=400тыс.
DA
Where are all the people complaining about vice only showing one side of the story?
People in every region globally should have the democratic right to self determination under United Nations law. Let people vote. Have UN and OSCE observers and respect the results. I'm against Russia invasion of Ukraine but I believe DPR and LPR are justified in defending their oblasts from Ukraine.
All pro ukrainians have been beaten Up or dissapeared in those "russian" Regions.
Yes they should have self determination and RUSSIA needs to let that happen instead of sending milita, driving out all the opposition they can, holding faked referendums then trying to conquer them.
As things stood in the last fare election the majority voted for pro-ukrain partys
А когда ЛНР и ДНР были против АТО и входа в состав Украины и тем более с таким режимом вы были такого мнения, или это сейчас политика Зеленского. И теперь против вторжения России в Украину. Какого было и сейчас городам Донбасса и Луганска ещё захваченных и обстреливаемых Украиной. Ещё территории Донбасса не освобождены наверное в курсе.
Стойкости и успехов жителям юговостока в борьбе против произвола киевской преступной власти!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
see how your culture has mass genocide and rape???
Russia is a plague to this earth, and should have been bombed, not japan.
=)
Very fat. Go to huy.
Ты хотя поинтересуйся, сколько на тот свет отправилось людей которые "просто не вписались в рынок".
почему она преступная?
Maxim Kobzistyy its not....
was just trying to talk shit to that idiot "prafvsegda," the truth is they move here to get away from their government.
Maxim Kobzistyyпотому что устроила кровавый переворот ради передела власти.
Funny how Putin just stay's back, but everybody accuses him of starting everything.
Western propaganda is like magic. It can turn black into white and water into oil.
Pasparal da Beira do Canal Its not like Putin isn't doing anything, it's shocking that most of the Left Wingers say that the protests in the Maindan were backed by the US and Eu and had a strong fascist ideology.
Can't the same be happening in Eastern Ukraine but with Russian?
Pasparal da Beira do Canal just as much as the Russian propaganda is calling every Ukrainian a fascist anti-Russian neo-nazi.
WizzMills
To paraphrase your question: aren't the pro-Russian separatists just as right-wing and racist as the US-backed opposition which overthrew the elected government in February?
That's a good point. But if you take into account the extreme reputation of Svoboda and Pravy Sektor, and their hostility, not only against ethnic Russians, but also against Jews, Poles and other minority groups, this question doesn't seem that difficult to answer. To the separatists Russia largely represents a multi-ethnic state and (although no more the case) the egalitarian ideals of the former USSR. Compare that to the Maidan junta with its close ties to the US State Department and the IMF.
Your not seeing what's going on here. The Ukraine government is in shambles, and most of the people demonstrating see the writing all over the wall. People are fickle and generally want to be on the winning side. That side is obviously Russia, and seeing as how many Ukrainians were alive when Ukraine was part of the USSR, they want to go back to that time. They are playing right into Putin's hands. He's not staying back because he's some peace loving guy, he's just waiting for the people to demand that he "save" them.
Man look at all those people expressing their belief to be independent or join Russia. And Ukraine attacked them for this? And Russia is bad for attacking Ukraine ?😂
No, ukrain don't attack them for this, Russia used them as an excuse to conqure more and more land znd ukrain fought back
Don't be a simpleton. In any country, an armed rebellion & seccession is treason & is dealt with force. And these idiots compounded that treason by colluding with a foreign government that manipulated them.
@@jacqdanieleswhat you have described is exactly what happened in Maidan before this. Do you think the people of Donbass chose to rise up for no reason? They were being blamed for Ukraine's problems and laws were being passed that were going to affect their way of life. They had a decision to either embrace Bandera or fight for what their ancestors did 70 years ago.
@@mattcannon8467 load of horse manure gaslighting.
Maidan was a result of protests that the pootin puppet government tried to extinguish with force. It then snowballed into a revolution.
Donbas was a clear instigation & proxy war waged by ruzzia. After annexing Crimea, Ruzzian FSB & GRU infiltrators like Igor Girkin were on the ground in Donbas in early 2014 organizing, arming, & funding a fake separatist movement that was sold to the world as an organic separatist movement.
All of that has been documented in this series. Yet you still make up sh1t.
@@jacqdanieles please, link to the claims you are making. I've watched this whole series a few times and from what I can tell, USA was caught plotting the coup. There's phone calls that were recorded. Biden can literally say anything and people will believe him. Like the pipeline being blown up. You gonna deny he had anything to do with that?
смотрю эти vice news показывают всё как есть, первый раз такие новости вижу. Респект)) просмотрел весь цикл russian roulette, верится.
Smilled at that "VICE NEWS IT'S TRUTH" Oh Simon and his friends
seems in occident everyone forgot this and give voice just to de voices they want to hear
1:55 - теперь едины!
"This is Vice News. The truth." They should put that on billboards.
It will be a good marketing gig. They should use it the next time they promote the channel.
I'm actually quite pleasantly surprised to see VICE do a coverage on this, at first i thought VICE was just another anti-Russian media. Now i know they are not. But, alas, my mood was quickly destroyed when i scrolled down to the comments, to see people be negative towards these protests even though they were supporting the ones in Euromaidan.
Maidan was an anti-corruption protest.
These protests are instigated by the Russian propaganda, that made people think that Maidan was a nazi takeover, which is obviously utter bullshit.
See my point, guys?
So you prefer not to see the difference?
Artem Goutsoul These protests were instigated by the halving of pensions, and inane crippling of salaries, as the guy in the video said.
Dejan Andric
Which was done by Yanukovich and his family. Same thing is going to happen in Russia in near future, since even the Russian officials admit that the economy is stagnating possibly going into recession.
Economic reasons are not a good reason to join another country. If it's economic, then you just protest against the economic issues, vote for a different government or take a train and move.
The only reason for separation is if the central government somehow discriminates, against you. However that obviously wasn't happening. It's the opposite: Donetsk was always receiving subsidies from the central government. Current government policies didn't even have time to have any effect yet. It will take at least a year to notice any difference. All of the current problems are still the legacy of the previous government. The ex-president was actually from Donetsk region. Most the people in Donetsk voted for him.
Wow, impressive you got in. Good to see a firsthand explanation of what's going on with both sides.
Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine? Lol?
VICE NEWS, make video from Lugansk! Please.
VICE News, you fucking rock.
Просто супер репортажи, огромное спасибо.
its easy for people in the comments sections to pick a side, but unless you live in the situation where these people do then you have no clue what you're on about. I dont blame Eastern Ukraine to want to be part of Russia, and i dont blame the rest of Ukraine not wanting to let them go. Its a real shit fight and i dont know how its going to be solved.
Federalising Ukraine seems sensible to me. I was surprised that Ukraine was not a Federation -- it has a large population and some obvious regional divisions in economy and culturally.
A lot depends on how Kiev reacts to the protests in the Russia-leaning parts of Ukraine. They could trigger a civil war (that Russia would almost certainly intervene decisively in), so they should be extremely cautious. It may now be too late to hold the remaining regions together in a unified state, the damage having been done by earlier bad decisions. (Crimea is gone -- even the most anti-Russian Western media have given up on the "invasion" argument.)
wise words. rare to find such people around here.
@@boggisthecat Civil war was triggered. Russia didn't step in for some reason directly. Sad stuff
@@boggisthecat Федерализацию и жить без проблем можно было ещё при подписании Минских соглашений и выполнив их а не доводят восток Украины до состояния что совсем не хотят с Украиной. Теперь уже поздно.
@@zvonoc-80
Yes, I understand that. My original comment was 9 years ago, after Crimea had been retaken by the Russian Federation. Kyiv started out with the smart idea of being the go-between of Russia and the EU, but that depended on maintaining stability within a country with multiple identities. Russia has been largely successful at maintaining the balance between local autonomy and national unity - ‘Russia is a nation of multiple religions and cultures’. Ukraine, especially following US interference in 2004 then 2014, has pursued a lie that they are ‘one people’ - and those who do not fit that lie are persecuted.
Ukraine is now a lost cause for the US. The intended strategy to cripple Russia economically failed spectacularly, and they were unable to meet even the minimal military requirements of Kyiv to fight Russian forces. The US is already pushing the Baltic states to crack down further on their Russian populations. That will inevitably pressure Moscow to become more involved in that region. The ‘long game’ is still going, and the US will be willing to wreck all of Europe in an attempt to pull down Russia. I don’t understand how they really believe they are in a position to also bring down China. Empires typically descend into madness before they finally fall.
Россия+Украина=навсегда вместе! Люблю наш народ! Рождена в СССР! Хочу назад! Европа, США уберите ваши грязные в крови руки от нас!!! Не нужны нам ваши кредиты, партнёрство, сланцевый газ, пропаганда фашизма и гей-парады! Марина, Днепропетровск.
Translation: (Marina is from Dnepropetrovsk city, Eastern Ukraine)
Russia + Ukraine = friends forever! I love our people! I was born in USSR and want back! Europe, USA, hands off from us! We don't need you credits, partnership, shale gas, propaganda of fascism and gay parades!
Говори за себя.
Никита Вареня Так она и говорит за себя. Ты вот, за себя брякнут) Желаешь западных кредитов, гейпарадов? Сланцевой нефти и газа, который в считанные годы превратит твой край в непролазные говнищща? Думаешь "Европы" с распростёртыми объятиями и мешком бабла и сникерсов нас ждут?
tremendous job of reporting on the scenario in Ukraine, thank you!
WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT THEY ARE MOSTLY RUSSIAN ANYWAY AND WERE BEFOR W.W. TWO THEY WILL SEE WHEN ALL THEIR RIGHTS ARE GONE ?? RUSSIA WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL BEND OVER FOR THE DICTATOR OR K.G.B. COL. SORRY FOR THEM. JOSEPH
Nice pan down at her perfectly manicured finger nails as she says they've suffered greatly in Ukraine.
And that huge ring!
You lot would like to see her beaten up and dressed in rags to qualify for "suffered greatly"?
14000 towns people were killed by the Ukrainians. You can lose people around you and still had nice things.
This has mixing feeling on what happen 8 years ago to this date
Thanks for your hard work Simon!
In Lithuania we have only 4% Russians, thank god... our resistance soldiers stopped them from settling in Lithuania during soviet occupation.
Tautinė Lietuvos gyventojų sudėtis pagal 2011 m. Statistikos Departamento duomenis:
rusai - 5,8 % (176,9 tūkst.)
They did not die for nothing. There is worse situation in Latvia
The people must rise up against the corrupt west
Дайте людям провести референдум если они этого хотят. Скорее всего не хватит голосов за присоединение к России. Если бы там было много за, то людей на площади было бы больше. Да, есть там желающие, думающие что в России будет мед и сказка, но их все же меньше. Да и Россия на самом деле не особо то и планирует присоединение Донбаса. Это уже четко показано. Но если со стороны антиконституционной хунты в Киеве начнется резня, то России уже придется просто защищать людей от смерти.
хоть кто-то на Западе начинает правду говорить, про то что на Украине происходит!
Ukraine... what did you do to you half of your people?
let russians in :(
Dale Redping Ukraine was russian land since dawn of times.
clouster75 No it wasn't.
clouster75 .......... Ignorance...........
clouster75
No I believe it's been known as "the ukraine" for quite a few years now
It seems that Russia is far more popular than the propaganda spinners would have us think
You find it a shock that Russians support Russia? These people are ethnic Russians. Its the NON Russians that are against Russia
What makes you think that? It looks like there's only about a few hundred people at most protesting which makes sense since the vast majority of Eastern Ukraine wants to stay in Ukraine, they just want reforms.
0:35 you can hear the Internationale playing in the background
In dispatch twenty, not a word was said about the reason for the protest (the killing of a right sektor leader by police). Here, we only get interviews with people who want to join Russia. Not a word about the demand for a referendum on greater autonomy for the regions. Bloomberg, FT, euronews... they all report it. Isn't editing handy...
Venezuela with Ukraine. Fight for your liberty.
That's exactly what they're doing.
The West destroyed their country with their usual shit.
Divide and conquer tactics, whole country is led to civil war, banksters need to fund some more wars and instill chaos before they move in as saviours with their unbearable loans that will enslave everyone in Ukraine for decades, maybe even centuries.
People want a referendum, they want to vote on what they think is best for them.
That's what Democracy was about, letting the people decide for their own future.
I know it's hard for Westerners to perceive a concept where you actually forge your own future, but it can be done.
Fuck off you trolling piece of shit, Venezuela with Chavez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chavez is dead. So is what he left behind..
Lui Fenty
Say Hi to your CIA handler, his salary is payed by my taxes
Hahaha I love how every time people criticize the Venezuelan government, someone comes out and blames the CIA... Yeah, because the CIA hires kids like me to post their opinions on youtube.. grow up.
The comments here are even more a mess than the situation there...
why you guys taking so long to upload this news
East Ukrainian region of Donbas also known as Donets Basin used to be Russian lands. Entire Donbas Region (East Ukraine) was a part of Russia back in the day. People in Donetsk (Donbas region) used to be ethnic Russians but when Donetsk and other cities from Donbas region that got transferred to Ukraine people of Russian ethnicity eventually got mixed up with ethnic Ukranians. Now people in Donbas region identify themselves as Ukranians, but the Russian mentality and heritage still lives strong in them and that's why they want to be closer to Russia.
Well if that's how we decided borders than the entire western part of Russia should go back to Germany and Italy should have all of Western Europe. After all those lands belonged to them for hundreds of years.
britvroman Prussia dumb ass. Look it up.
britvroman Prussia doesn't exist anymore you dumb shit. It was dissolved in 1948. Why are you people so dumb.
snooperbob
You sound so angry kid, did your mommy take too much for your basement rent this month? Yes obviously Prussia doesn't exist today, thank you for stating the obvious dumby.
snooperbob
I wouldn't say Prussias border includes parts of Russia. It borders the old USSR's borders, sure, but not todays Russia. It stops around where Lithuania is located.
Why is this called "the invasion of Ukraine"?!
Luis Sanchez The US has thousands upon thousands of troops in various European countries (whose populations don't want those American bases and soldiers there), yet we don't call that an invasion. [Perhaps we should.] But that's exactly how the Russian soldiers in Ukraine happen to be there: Ukraine and Russia have a military treaty that entitles Russia to post up to 25,000 troops anywhere in Ukraine.
For some reason, our MSM (but also Vice News, apparently) don't want us to know that.
Vaska Tumir We have troops on military bases in those countries, and they gladly let us in there. We pay them rent, and local business owners get a boost to sales.
probably because of the foreign troops invading ukraine
Dale Redping only in your paranoid imagination
May Day
Are you even watching the videos you have been sent to comment on?
Holy Shit....This situation just keeps getting crazier and crazier....
Putin thirsys for Ukrainian semen.
Donetsk has some great shopping also. Maybe Simon can buy pants that fit him.
Я думаю что вас туда пустили только потому что перепутали название Life Nevs и Vice News, слишком созвучно поэтому вам повезло.
В любом случае молодцы, что вещаете про Украину, ибо то что я увидел на вашем канале, по тв не показывали, рад что международное сообщество поддерживает Украину и показывает правду.
Спасибо Саймон за всю работу которую ты проделал, никто не смог побывать там где побывал ты.
Респект!
Those guys didin't new that this is the beginning of a civil war...
Wow I've been watching a lot of these Dispatches and one thing is quite clear, tires must grow on trees, if not where do they get all those darn tires?
Я не перестаю удивляться. Первое моё удивление было, когда я увидел, что реально большинство в Крыму хотят в Россию. И не просто хотят, а готовы предпринимать реальные действия. а теперь Луганск и Донецк. Причём они организуются, создают структуры. Респект вам, ребята, и уважуха. Если решитесь до нашего шалашу ), будем вам рады. Только не ждите печенек, сначала вместе прийдётся горя хлебнуть. Никто в мире нам не простит поднятой головы.
1:45 if you want to live in russia... move there. if someone wants to live in england, they dont just decide their city is now owned by england. the --real-- world doesnt work like that.
Great reporting from Vice, as always.
And why are these 5 min clips Simon make them longer by the way I saw Simon on the Russian news channel he was lurking around I was cracking up
Никогда запад и восток не был одной страной. Можно возмущаться, психовать, троллить... Но никогда западная Украина и Восточная Украина не была единой страной по определению! Восток и Крым тупо престегнули к Украине и в этом вся проблема и для Запада и для Востока. Если кто-то думает что Украина едина, то пусть ответит почему Киевская хунта так сильно боится референдума????
Some pretty cool defenses they have there
It is not Ukraine's obligation to maintain the kind of relationship that Russia wants. On the contrary, Ukraine has the right to maintain a relationship with Russia that Ukraine wants. This is like a jealous husband who still can not get over her wife who have left him !
USkraine
it's ridiculous. If you want live in Russia - take yourself and go to Russia.
Yes, a few thousand people, NOT hundreds of thousands can and should move to Russia. Ukraine will NOT allow the City to break apart! If Putin sends troops over the border, than get ready for NATO to send troops over the border!
@@Lithiumaniacs hahahahahhhha, where do you stand now?
if the people of the Ukraine wish to be reunited with Russia , who are we to say no. If America lost texas in a similar fashion what would we do? what would we want ? At the end of the day this has absolutely fuck -all to do with our nation (the u.s.) and we should really be more worried about our own domestic issues.
*An interesting thing happened. I'm from Serbia and we have an American guy here from Illinois who's famous on YT for doing videos and vlogs about our country etc...he said in his latest vlog, among other things, that he was contacted by Vice News via email about [quote] giving them something dirty about Serbia/what's going on in Serbia [quote]. (something that can be sorted in the dirty department for them to exploit and make news about it here, like with all the other Chronicles videos about other countries and their issues, i would presume)*
*So yeah, just wanted to share that with the peeps watching Vice here...i also watch these Dispatches about Ukraine regularly.*
Donetsk is finally Russia. 👌
strange, one minute they fought not to join Russia and join the EU, next minute they are fighting to join Russia. almost makes you feel like the first fight was useless.
SUPPORT TO DONETSK PEOPLE.
Спасибо за информацию, Симон!
I was born in Sinfiropel and raised in Xarkov moved here in '96 I am also for Russia BUT i do not know how it will effect the Ukrainian people in terms of jobs and livelihood so I hope it will be good.
На западе есть честные репортеры и политики, но их почти не слышно. Впрочем и у нас хватает лживых "Дождей"и прочих, Дождемся ли когда- нибудь, что СМИ станут действительно средствами информации, а не изрыгателями помоев. Ролики этого репортера вижу не в первый раз. Спасибо ему!
There are honest news but just like every country there are news and there are news from government. It’s all the same I info and stories at the same time and that how you can tell. Vice is honorable. They filmed both sides of this. So I’ve been telling everyone this war has come full circle bc they can’t trust a vote. Soldier pressure from both sides. Empty boxes at the end of the night. 2030 is predicted in the stars
I have a lot of relatives and friends there (Donetsk) and spent a half of my childhood there, and I have to say -these idiots representing maximum 10% of whole people of this city. Other 90% don`t want to be a part of Russia and very unhappy this is happening... But it is not Kiev, and they just scared to death to even go outside with Ukrainian symbols. They know that it will be very bloody, considering Russian troops, criminals and police which support not people but terrorists. In case of violence police will stay and look at the criminals beating people to death. The same thing was at Maidan, but there where Ukrainians who were ready to die for freedom and independence of Ukraine.
Here -they have no reason to die for anything. They are not happy in Ukraine (never were). But they don`t want to be a part of Russia as well. It is a no win situation for them. And I feel sorry for all the normal people of Eastern Ukraine, and don`t know what the solutions is..except of Putin kills himself under the pressure of conscience and guilt and Ukraine will grow strong and show the East that there are a reason to live and there are a light in the end of the tunnel.
You are wrong. 10% are pro Russia 3% for Ukraine every body else don't give a fuck.
Jean Valjean
your pay is in the mail
Vice News - The Truth
Do these people have the right to self-determination? orr??
The biggest problem with this video is how they try to make it represent the entirety of the people there. I see a couple thousand people but you don't see the rest of the population. How much of a majority is this population standing here in this video? There are more people attending an NFL football game in the US then there are at this location which us supposed to be the biggest region in Eastern Ukraine. I am seriously worried about how misleading this video actually is.
Well what is the population of the region that wants independents? The total population of the country is only 43 million. Let me know when you find out.
you're right, russia has done nothing wrong :(
For People that know about the history of Crimea, it make perfect sense why large parts of the population want to be reunited with Russia. It's not even a revolt, it's the correcting a freak accident that occurred during the fall of the Soviet Union.
This has little to do with what Putin wants, and everything to do what the people in Crimeans feel is right. Culturally, economically, religiously and linguistically are most Crimeans related to Russia, and many have large parts of their families living in Russia.
Imagine for a moment, a radical group, funded by Mexico takes Florida hostage, makes Spanish the official language, threatens freedom of Religion and starts negotiations to join Mexico. That might roughly describe the situation in Crimea.
Putin handles the situation like a true statesman, something the US hasn't had for the longest time. Russia is respecting the peoples decision. If the choose to remain independent, that will be accepted. If they choose to re-unify with Russia, that will be supported.
By the looks of it, not only based on this video, the population at large as no interest to join the EU and with that the NATO, and station US missiles pointing to Russia. That would be plain insanity. Moreover, most people in the Ukraine know that the overthrow of their government was orchestrated by the US.
Crimea enjoys 84% discount over the rates charged to the EU for Gas. Russia holds all of their national debt. Russia has committed 8 times more funding than the EU, in case they want to remain independent. Joining Russia would of course, eliminate the national debt all together and instantly integrate into the network of social services.
The Russian troops in Crimea are stationed there under an agreement similar to what the US has with Guantanamo in Cuba. It's absolutely legit and not hostile.
Crimea is also a very important historical and archeological side for Russia, and a favorite vacation destination.
It speaks for itself. The only reason Ukrainians are worried is because they have family there and they don't want drama. Other than that they are a bunch of traidors and suckups to america. That area used to be Russia anyway, and is mostly Russian. So just because you guys hear bullshit about Russia and Putin on your "manipulated and controlled " fox news or other american news including cnn, doesn't mean it is as bad as they want you to think it is. Its all a plan and America is also playing a big role, and payed protesters and infiltrators. Its all BS
FDR (WWII President) has served 4 terms. There are currently 3 current and 1 old bills in congress to extent Obama's terms to three or unlimited terms. There are three additional options to play the system. He can simply declare a state of emergency, or act against the law as he has done over and over again. He has build up Homeland security to rival any military in the world. It's like his private Army inside America. /watch?v=EL4hDXuyXRg
Obama has issued Executive orders giving him authorities that exceed the power Hitler had. It only takes 8 words from him to invoke this power. Plus, all young people were more or less forced to sign up for military draft.
If the Ukraine unites with Russia the debt owed to Russia becomes null and void.
The only similarity Putin's Russia has with Hitler's Germany is the fact that it is manipulated by intrigues by the the same forces that manipulated Germany.
Protesters in the US are beaten down. The police is being militarized and increasingly disregards peoples rights. Police brutality is rampant in the US. /results?search_query=police+brutality
The US has hundreds of concentration camps ready to go./results?search_query=fema+camps
Pussy Riot was performing most indecent acts inside a church and other places of business. May I remind of the chicken. I refuse to go into more detail. You should be ashamed to defend their actions. However provocative, Putin did not prosecute them for their actions in the public, but for their actions in churches and supermarkets, violating other peoples rights. They would have gotten worth in the US.
Putin/Russia is under permanent attack from the west, including HAARP, electronic surveillance, violations of air space, and many more things that never become public. He is forced to take a strong stand.
Russia gives the Ukraine gas 84% cheaper than it charges Germany. That is probably at or below Gasprom's cost. And let's not talk about "the leakage".
When the Soviet Union fell apart, there was no rational process. That is partially the reason for some of the conflicts of Russia and it's neighboring countries. I am not saying that all is just, but when communications breaks down, things tend to get ugly.
The ten day ultimatum is for territories that had a referendum and the majority of people opted to join Russia, not for all of the Ukraine.
Putin's actions are in accordance to international law. The US rarely observes international law.
The US interest is to station nuclear missiles in the Ukraine. If that were to happen, The Ukraine would become the number target and MUST be destroyed first in case of an international conflict. How insane can you be?
WWII started when England encouraged Poland to do what they felt to do as England would guarantee their safety. For that reason, reasonable negotiations about transit fees between Germany and Keonigsberg, and the safety of Germans in Poland were impossible. Poland had no idea that they where played by England. The Ukraine is in a similar position right now. The US/Nato won't be able and will not help you in case of a conflict. The Ukraine is no more than a strategic first strike asset. One that makes WWIII more likely.
Do you homework on Chechen yourself. It's not black and white as you like to make it to be.
If you want to get a feeling for how different reality is from what the public knows, here is an excellent example of History. After that ask yourself how much else you may not be aware off. /watch?v=AJ5MeQnmLo0&list=PL_YgloinfYxBHXb2xt5bL7fQlkMBi6Igw
And here is the theory behind the US/EU politics and media strategy. After that you will understand why Pussy Riot is not a trivial thing that can be tolerated. /watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M&list=PL_YgloinfYxBHXb2xt5bL7fQlkMBi6Igw
The US is currently involved in war activities in 74 countries. It has turned over governments for a hundred years. Sadam Hussein, Gaddafi and many other Dictators were installed by the US. Taliban and Al-Qaeda are creations of the US. What kind of a world do live in. The Ukraine is a tool and will be wasted in a hard beat if it serves a strategic goal.
The US has not the support of the people anymore. The US and EU are being turned into a Marxist system. The end goal is a Marxist World government to run the world after WWIII, with a target world population of 8-15% of today. The Ukraine is currently used as an excuse to start that WWIII. Iran failed many times to start, Syria fail due to Putins stand and massive protests around the world., and now the Ukraine is used to start it. This is how Washington goes about this kind of business. /watch?v=gsxgTGvDMoo
Stop listening to the Mainstream Media. You are being brainwashed.
Abby Martin of RT America is very critical of Putin on Crimea. i don't agree with her, but she is free to present the case as she sees it. /watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs
I have a feeling this is gonna get bad
Best episode
Ngl, Verdansk looks good with this new graphic.
Urkaine's no more. It always was an ugly, stillborn creature. Glad to see it being put down.
Don't be rude. Ukraine may become nice country when they cure themselves from this madness. Poor Ukraine! Treatment will be hard, but they made it by their own hands. Let the beast of chaos devours itself. Let all hate be burned out and love and peace and wisdom will reign!
Юрий Шабалин Ukraine is an illness, Russia is the cure.
22 dispatch in one go!
Thanks VICE!
If Ukraine had qualified for the FIFA Worldcup, none of this would have happened. (imo)
Long live democracy, long live the peoples Republic of Donetsk!
А город почему под контроль не забрали?
On one hand, Russian propaganda had very strong "anti-fascist" and "minority-protection" rhetoric. On the other hand, it exploited traditional - both Soviet and pre-Soviet - anti-Ukrainian stereotypes that divided Ukrainians into a loyal majority of "Little Russians" (a dull but harmless provincial branch of Great Russians) and the perverse minority of "nationalists" (arguably corrupted by Western influence and therefore obsessed with a crazy idea of Ukraine's difference and separateness).The Russian elite, infected by its own propaganda, becomes increasingly paranoid and determined to fight the invented "fascists" in neighbouring countries as if they are real. This means that whatever Ukraine does or says in this regard, it matters little. The real choice is either to share the fate of the 1956 Hungary and 1968 Czechoslovakia invasions by the Red army or to follow the example of the 1920 Poland and 1940 Finland (when the Russians were contained).
Who are you trying to fool, there is widespread apology for fascism going on from Baltic states to Western Ukraine. There is discrimination against Russians taking place. And Russia has been remarkably patient with this outrage.
Leos Tomicek You`ve been watching too much Russian TV. As an ethnic Latvian i can confirm there is indeed some discrimination - but it is against Latvians, who can`t find a job in their country if they don`t speak the ``minority`` language - Russian. There is no widespread apology for fascism though, however we do know that all occupants were equally bad, and unlike Germans who don`t tell us how to live now, these Russians or should i say post-soviet zombies are still there with their imperialistic ideas.
This shit is mad crazy yo!
If all people claimed their home towns are now in other countries, I vote my town belongs to Canada, New Zealand or Denmark. No police or soldiers, just a piece of paper, signatures and recognition in the UN. Then a flag, currency, embassies, a few more forms and elections.
For quite a long time it has been taught that communism is essentially dead, so there aren't many people who continue to study communism. As such, people can't see what this crises is really about. I've studied communism and all it's forms (liberal, liberal progressive, social democrat, labor parties, labor unions, socialism, Marxism, Maoism and several more) for over 40 years. This included infiltration of many of the communist factions in the US. In general, what we have today are two distinct forms of communism in conflict. The Western form is a candy-coated communism moving slowly toward overt communism. Putin represents the iron fist of communism, we was a totally devoted KGB Stalinist communist. The Ukraine is split between the two forms. If you look close you will even see pro-West Ukrainians with the communist flag. Infighting is a very common trait with communism/socialism factions. This can be seen during the Russian Revolution onward. They turn on their own with as much vigor as they do their enemies, the Chinese Cultural Revolution shows how sever that can be.
People think we won the Cold War. The Cold War isn't over, it's changed dramatically into a psychological war. Communism and uncontrolled capitalism have learned how to cooperate in ways that benefit both. Controlling the worker and consumer consolidates power for both. The majority of Russians are as communist as they've always been, but the Ukrainians got a taste of sugar-coated Western communism and wants to stay in the candy store. So don't be fooled by the media, this is a conflict between communists.
Thomas
That is the very first time I have heard or in this case read a view like this and it makes a ton of sense.I'm American and can see exactly what your saying here,a lot of truth in your words of wisdom there buddy.
wishen4fishen2 Thank you very much. I believe that when a person sees something that others don't, it is so important to share it because you never know, you just might be right. Another good reason for the freedom of speech.
Thomas
td fisk A big amen to that.Freedom of speech matters beyond measure.Just ask the North Koreans,if you were able to that is.
interesting,,, i think you have freedom of speech in russia..but at the same time..you have to make sure you have the right coffin for your going out party right after your speech.
'There aren't many people who continue to study communism'.
Have you never been to a university history or politics department??!
The video is so short :(
The plot thickens...your move NATO.
Ну как, защитили промышленность Донбасса от развала? Клоуны
That jacket should be like a symbol of simon :D
there about 1000-2000 people with russian flags only in 1 000 000 city. don't count this seriously. it's not the same "maidan" as it was in kiev where 200-300K people were on streets (in 3M city).
and how about the millions of voters for Janukovich's party in this region? Only 1000-2000 each city? Yeah right. Stupid khokhols-mongols
NichiroTeikoku Janukovich didn't move donetsk to russia in 2010 election campaign. also he promised lot's of good things (like move to EU) in those days. nothing was done by him. so what?! right - disappointment
Vyacheslav Potapenko
Yanukovich disappointed all, indeed, he did disappoint the people in the East, because he didn't move Donetsk back towards historic Russia. Instead he wasted all his time. That doesn't however mean millions didn't vote for the Idea of historic unity and brotherhood with Russia. As you can see the people will never surrender to the criminals in Kiev, no matter how many times buildings will be stormed. It is imperative to wipe out all strange "convinced ukrainians" in the East. They better live in Lviv happily ever after.
NichiroTeikoku maybe after Putin and when some russians in Kremlin stop to be aggressors, stupid, bureaucratic, imperialistic etc then 'normal' people in rus and ukr can start to feel again that they are brothers.
Vyacheslav Potapenko
Putin didn't star this, Kiev and Maidanazis started this. And there is no need to be brothers with ukrainian nazis at all. Quite the opposite, it is time to free historic russian territory from so-called "ukrainization" of the bolsheviks era.
Finally, a decent and truthful episode. I guess Simon ran out of ideas to support those fascists out in the West. US just spent 5 billion to expand the Russian Empire. lol
Lmaoo that the truth
It was allways true...but you like this episode because it fits your point of view .
Prespapier Haha, like Simon telling me this was a full-scale invasion by the Russian Army? Please.
Are you saying that the majority of the people that were protesting on the street are Fascists?
WizzMills It's alright. Hes just another mindless believer of this Russian propaganda.
really enjoy and appreciate your vids simon...good luck and don't get killed.
слава Донбассу
Russia is already by far the largest country in the world. Why make it larger? Why can't ethnic Russians live in separate independent countries and maintain ethnic and cultural unity without national unity? Russia is larger than Australia and Brazil combined - which are the 5th and 6th largest countries in the world.
Хороший репортаж , побольше бы таких прозрачных
Long live The Peoples Republic Of Donetsk!
Can you do a report from Lugansk?