> Be a historical expert > Accept an interview to comment on SM1's arms and armours > "Oh hey that looks cool and my son is into it" > 1 year later, he has read 30 Horus Heresy books, has become a TS fan, knows about the lore more than the average fan, and displays his knowledge when interviewed on SM2 Absolute madlad
I'm listening to my first book (Helsreach) and haven't played any Warhammer besides the Total War series. I'm in love with this universe/lore! Thinking about going to the local game store to see about playing....maybe even paint something...who knows.
You can really tell a lot about someone by the factions they support in Warhammer. Theirs a TH-camr I’ve watched on his journey through the Warhammer lore and his favorite factions are the Ork Freebooters, Thousand Suns, Necrons and his preferred Chaos God is Tzneetch.
I like that you can obviously tell he’s become a fan. The first Warhammer video he’s curious and asking what everything is, in this one he knows what the chaplains and thousand sons are.
I’ve played table top for about 10 years now. Mainly kitchen table matches with friends at home. When finally dipped the toes into the local community of players, most my age are Dads got into it with their parent, and/or to spend time with their kids. GW is a weird company. And it’s just a business for them obviously, but as a hobby when look past all that to why people enjoy it, it’s usually a story amounting to bringing folks together. Kinda wholesome Ngl.
@@BoringBrandiYeah. My eldest kid is into Titanic and ships in general. I plan to visit Southampton and other places relating to Titanic and their museum with him. May be it'll inspire him to be a Naval architect?
Toby as Magnus apologist confirmed. Listening to his references throughout and holy shit this man has fallen down the 40K rabbit hole in the interim. Good job Dave. I just have an image of him leafing through John Blanche artwork in the early hours of the morning.
I love how he goes on those deep, meandering tangents instead of just this lazy "Oh, thats cool but impractical. In reality you woule use this or that, blah blah blah". No, he is an educated and very knowledgeable man who has deep passion for this topic.
"Hopefully that will be rectified in a downloadable expansion that you can play the Thousand Sons as the heroes they really are" "Sir, the Inquisition would like a word with you and they have brought the Space Wolves with them"
Tobias Capwell and Jonathan Ferguson are legends of the internet, and this series may be the best thing Gamespot has produced in the post Ryan Davis era.
it really is an honor as a 40k fan to have someone as capable and respected as Toby Capwell talk not just from his historical expertise but as an actual fan himself too. Damn this video made me happy
I agree, if now GW would stop for a moment shooting themselves in the foot and stop price hikes so more people can get into that hobby. It would be nice. I put off buying a defiler three - four hears ago whe it was 50€ when I thought I already have enough to paint and I wouldn't get to it. Now the model is 80-90€ :(
@@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 Silence, Son of Magnus! Your carrion fowl God would sell you for the slightest bit of knowledge. Grandfather loves all life. Welcome him into your life. Start by not bathing and welcome his embrace. Grandfather loves you.
I love that he addressed how laborious and manpower intensive being a knight in the Medieval Period is, and how its still reflected in Warhammer 40k with Space Marines and other more "knightly" or "ornate" warriors of the Imperium. And then imagine an entire company, plus its equipment, vehicles, weapons, gear, alongside its armor, and all the armor being uniquely specific to each Marine, so they can't just mass produce or mass repair the armors. Then equipping the Marines themselves with varying weapon systems, and the munitions to support said weapon systems, and ensuring that they're properly equipped to support their weapon systems. This on top of keeping their void ships running and functioning, and continually running to and fro to ensure that the ship is in good shape for any and all potential realities, including void battles. It would be hellish to be anyone except a Space Marine on one of their War Ships.
Yeah, the "tooth to tail" ratio for even a single Astartes must be INSANE. In the modern US Army, it takes 10 non-combat personnel to support a single infantryman. In an Astartes chapter, it must be in the hundreds.
The non combatants being techpriest who rarely sleep and are roided on computers could close the gap, but I’d imagine its still alot of techpriest for one astartes full kit
@@AnakinFury remember that the majority of the AdMech clergy? presence will be Adepts, not full priests. Not to mention the servitors who are doing most of the actual manual labor, though they have the same benefit of either not requiring rest cycles, or having abridged rest cycles. Both servitors and the presence of Adepts are wonderfully shown in game as well.
Understanding that the most serious aspects of 40k are the most exaggerated and farcical is the most enjoyable part of 40k. Now, that being said, The Emperor Protects!
the arm chains do actually have a use, its origins are from the world eaters, they would attach their weapons (guns or blades) to the chain so they could retrieve them quickly in battle. it became a staple of the black templars through their founding chapter master who also used this practice which he ironically picked up from them. the death watch would probably pick it up from the templars that were with them. titus was in the watch so he might have picked it up from there. the irony is that the templars only think of it as a "not letting go of your weapons till you win or die" type thing and do not know where it came from.
They were a real thing historically. On coats of plates from about 1360, they would attach your weapons or helmet or visor to your body armour so you didn't lose them on horseback. More common in modern Germany so that's probably where the inspiration for it on the Templars came from. Was a pretty short lived fashion and not without drawbacks.
Actually, it was started by Sigismund, future first chapter master of Black Templars. He nearly died as a kid, when his bullies smashed weapon from his hand. He went on becoming best non-primarch duelist in Imperium, but always had weapon attached by chains to never drop it.
@@Kubulin24 then there are multiple differeing reasons. true sigi was insanely good but he was not afraid to pick up ideas from here and their. if my memory serves right (and i will admit that i might be wrong as the 40k lore and books are extensive) but i think i remember him and kharn (before the whole insanity thing)used to duel and it was from kharn that he took the chain thing but again i might be wrong. i will say though that the templars did get it from sigismund and it has become a staple for them and it does have major cultural impact within the chapter for the 10k years in which the practice has been done. either way the point is that there is a reason for the chains.
Talking about the flawed awareness reminded me of one of my favorite bits from the now-deleted Regimental Standard blog, where they were talking about tanks throughout history and mentioned the Tiger Tank, from the "Two World War" which they assumed was called that because it only involved two planets. They also mentioned not being sure what a Tiger was, though they knew it was a long-extinct Terran animal and assumed it was some sort of large insect.
My personal favourite was the new issue ration packs for the guard. Complete with "breakfast", "lunch" and "dinner" (packs identical except for the label), and a pack of crunchy snacks in two flavours (fish or rodent). Rumour that they were shipping cat treats as a snack due to Tyranids devouring a few agri-worlds are heresy.
@@daveharrison61 Not sure about rodents but fish feels like it would be a step up from corpse-starch or synthetic protein Guardsmen are fed most of the time (even if it was originally meant to be cat food).
Toby radiates a deep love for what he does, and his enthusiasm for 40k really shows and its so awesome to hear he has been getting more into it and loving it. More of these please.
In reference to banners having an effect on morale, immediately made me think of Jeanne d'Arc and how she didn't carry a sword into battle, but rather a banner and was a beacon on the battlefield more than a straight up warrior which helped the French not give up, but keep fighting
It's really funny that what branded him as disinherited was an actual shield. I wonder if GW pulled Black Shield lore from stories like that if it was a common practice.
Makes me shed a tear of joy to see such an expressive, interesting and cultured guy like him be so passionate about 40k, i hope to see much more of his takes on it in the future.
Speaking of banners, the Company Standard or even the Legion Standard are usually carried by ancients of the army, kind of like actual ancients in their duty of lorekeeping and also embodying an aspect of the spirit of the legion or chapter. Infamously Rylanor The Unyielding, an Emperor's Children dreadnought, was the Emperor's Children's Ancient of Rites, and he carries one of the banners that symbolised the original loyalist Emperor's Children.
@@ashtonhoward5582 Librarians are lorekeepers in the sense that they remember the chapter's history, a role that is shared with every dreadnought, while ancients, in both 40k and irl, usually are lorekeepers in that they keep the chapter's traditions and (in irl history) history too
@@PhantomGato-v- I could've sworn librarians chronicle the chapter's history. Or at least the head librarian does (w/e those are called, can't remember).
It's these two and then the British Michelin star chef that reviews cooking scenes in movies and TV (some other channel, should be easy enough to find)
No. Because it's an Ultra Marine main character anways, and there are only so many traitor legions, so they chose one that's cool and fits with the story.
No. The time where the Romans and Egyptians co-existed was during the time when Egypt was way past it’s prime. You could barely call it an empire. It was conquered and ruled by Greeks since Alexander the Great until it was conquered by Rome. They weren’t rivals.
Small chance Tobias Capwell sees this, but he is great and I love what he explained and how in this video. Kudos and have a good weekend! Give all the haters a good Götz von Berlichingen!
I’m pretty much exclusively subbed to this channel to watch our two beloved armor and weapon experts. They do really great stuff and it is just so cool seeing his transition into a genuine fan of the series
This is such an amazingly fun and informative video - both for his perspective on how authentic the concepts in Warhammer are, but also for how he's gotten into the genre of Warhammer with his son. Wonderful stuff to have such a well-informed person analyzing these things.
My personal favorite dreadnought story is of Chyron. Not only do you have the typical rigors of being confined in a dreadnought. But Chyron also believed himself to be the last of the Lamenters. Forever separated from his brothers and not allowed to die by their side as he was serving in the Deathwatch. I wonder if he and Titus ever met.
"THE NIDS ATE MY BROTHERS! I WILL HAVE VENGENCE!!!" -slaughters his way through the nids like he's dealing with toddlers with sticks- "Brother Chyron, didn't you hear? The Primarch sought out your chapter and gave them reinforcements! They've been brought up to full strength and released from their penitent crusade!" "MY BROTHERS ARE ALL DEAD!!!! DEAAAAD!!! VENGENCE WILL BE MINE!!!!!"
Tobias getting into Warhammer purely because he wanted to connect with and have something to do with his son, and then getting into the lore as an afterthought, is just next level wholesome.
it's cool how a real shield idea - acting as protection for the weak point in the armpit armour - became a jousting thing and eventually an honour worn and a place to show heraldry and symbols
I really like his take on the jousting shields in regards to "Flawed Awarness" since it perfectly embodies what 40K is particularly the Imperium so many things are distorted from what they should be due the time has been passed, records lost and slowly things that should have been wrong or are done wrong are seen as normal things in life.
The unrestrained joy he shows when his favourite faction shows up is all of us, really. So cool especially to compare with last time we saw him talk about 40k.
I love that Toby has now become a fan and, he always got the nuance that it's a game and a fictional universe so rule of cool applies. And he would applaud it where he could, but now he's actively defending it while acknowledging it's wrong and it's wonderful.
@GameSpot one things that’s not shown in the game is the reason they’re so much larger is they’re primaris marines which are larger than the first born marines. In the beginning of the game when you see Titus in that deathwatch armor is first born marine size. After he’s reunited with the Ultramarines he has gone through the rubicon and become primaris which is why he’s not in his armor anymore.
I also agree with his take on the useless jousting shields as a largely useless relic that used to serve a purpose and been turned into a fashion accessory. We can see the same thing happen to the gorget of knights being adopted by officers of early modern militaries and turning into a necklace, essentially.
Ive always enjoyed the way Toby talks about armor in games, from a position of appreciating the art of it, and i love it more than ever now that he's so knowledgle about 40k history aswell as real world history.
Wonderful breakdown! Love the enthusiasm for the Sons, even if it's heresy lol Continuing to enjoy the various experts being brought onboard, this series is truly amazing!
I always loved that bit of anachronistic fixation in 40k. Armors from earlier periods are revered and desired despite being less effective than modern designs in practical terms.
Depends on when it's from. The Imperium is slowly losing technologies because they declare it heresy or the planet it's on is destroyed and inventing new tech is fraught with heresy accusations. So, depending on where and when, it might actually be better than modern. It's why the Tau will keep becoming stronger. They are actively developing new stuff. Almost no one else is.
I love how eagerly this man takes something from the game and just _talks_ ad nauseum about it, relates it to real life, to other subjects, to things only peripherally relevant but still important...you seem to hardly have to drive the conversation much at all with him, he just wants to engage and discuss and clearly loves what he does. We should all love what we do as much as him, it's truly beautiful to listen to.
no matter the place where im getting information abot the lore of warhammer, there is always someone that has a different opinion about factions, or chapters, and this makes the lore and conversation around this franchise so entertaining, im glad that i found this world, it feels never ending, there is always something to get into :D
30:02 dreadnoughts generally tend to get pretty insane and suicidal, they spend their remaining life’s either in cryosleep or in combat, with often severel hundreds of years between deployments
Some of the oldest are several thousand years old. I like the story of the Tau defeating a dreadnought only to discover the space marine corpse inside is older than their entire empire.
I've seen my share of "Expert Reacts" videos, this is certainly one of the best. Toby's depth of historical knowledge and genuine fascination with the stuff he's talking about is a pleasure to watch. I love the nerdy tangents he goes on, like pondering the philosophical and moral realities of Dreadnoughts being inseparable from their armor. Great stuff.
Thank you dave for getting toby back! He is definetly on of the most entertaining person from all these expert reacts videos and how he can apreciate design art and settings way better than most.
2:22 There's a few reasons why it works for Space Marines. For example, power armor is a very sophisticated piece of technology that connects directly to a Marine's nervous system via their Black Carapace implant. This interface connection allows the armor to mimic the wearer's movements almost perfectly and also lets the wearer "feel and sense" their surroundings through this armor to a much greater degree due to built-in sensor systems. It basically acts like a second skin which enhances a Marine's already super-enhanced physiology even further. Power armor also has ocular auto-targeting systems in the helmet which can sync up with their weapon sights, making them extremely accurate and precise with their shots, even while hip firing on the move. Finally, Space Marines are superhuman warriors with decades, if not centuries of incredibly rigorous training and combat experience under their belts. They are experts at fighting with their armor and equipment. It's like extensions of their body.
not all powered armour needs the black carapace for nervous system interface, there are smaller / weaker suits that just feel and copy the wearers movements like the Sisters of Battle wear, or custom neural interfaces as used by nobles and inquisitors that are custom made and very expensive
@@ZannNewman This is true. The Black Carapace interface isn’t required for many suits of power armor, though, those without this implant can miss out on the Astartes grade enhanced connection to the suit and possibly many systems. I was specifically talking about Astartes power armor here.
In the 1st games multiplayer they later added a dreadnought mode where teams could use points gained from objectives to respawn in control of a dreadnought. Maybe there'll be a spin off of that but instead with a psyker class and have a Ksons for the chaos version
I spent a couple of hours last night looking at High Gothic German Armor, which is the standard. They had hammered ribs into the plates, which I noticed. That works to reinforce the physical structure of it, but also, having thicker areas works like angled plate Armor in tanks. Resists crushing blows. It's also black, probably having been treated with coal, to give it a black coat, before it was annealed. All you'd have to do is scale it up like 1.25-1.5× And the extra space would get filled with hydraulics, and wires, leading to a motor on the back pack. Rubber gasket seals and sapphire for windows and it could be a space suit. It's not that far off to go from Ceremonial Italian Renaissance Armor, to space marine Armor. Without all the embellishments, it's like the same ammount of work to make a simple space Armor suit.
As someone who recreates and competes in 12th century martial arts, it’s amazing to finally hear someone, even briefly, talk about the psychology of being in armour. When I’m in my full armour and my full face helm, that feeling of invulnerability is palpable, you really do feel like a different person and I imagine that contributed so much to how effective a fighting force knights were on medieval battlefields, so it’s nice to hear an expert talk about that aspect of armoured fighting.
It's so fun to see how much he gushes about the marines, and how he brings his own knowledge and insights into the whole mix. It's so obvious how much respect and curiosity he has for the 40K universe at this point.
I love how he says in reality knights where drenched in blood in battle..because that is the exact legendary Story of Leopold V. of Austria ..the flag is literally his white blood soaked tunic with the belt taken off revealing the only part that was protected from getting drenched in blood.
The Roman inspiration is very intentional for the Sons of Guilliman. They're the XIIIth Legio Astartes - that's the Roman legion Caesar crossed the Rubicon with when he took Rome. Creating a Primaris Astartes from an old generation Astartes is done by a process dubbed "crossing the Rubicon Primaris". Roboute Guilliman is essentially a 12ft tall, super soldier version of Julius Gaius Caesar himself in pretty much every regard. He's from a planet that is heavily influenced by Roman/Greek culture (the inner fortress of the Ultramarine's fortress on Macragge, and where Guilliman was interred until he was revved is called "The Temple of Hera"). A lot of their armor accents are also derivved from either real Roman legionnaire stuff, or romanticized stuff. You can pick out the cultures that effects all of the First Founding (the original Legios Astartes armies) by just looking at them, essentially.
Surprisingly insightful comments on a lot of 40k's design that I never thought of. It's great to hear from an expert who themselves has become a fan actually digressing with their own ideas rather than simply giving impressions. His story about getting into the thousand sons is a lot like how I got into chaos space marines. Playing Dawn of War for the first time with some friends as a kid I picked "Chaos" because they sounded kind of evil and I made them black and red because I liked that color combination. 20 years and a dozen armies later I still play black and red chaos marines (a warband from the lore called Brotherhood of Darkness).
A pre-heresy RTS. You play as Magnus trying to get his small legion to overcome some of the xeno empires they exterminated. Endgame is the Rangdan. DLC is the fall of Prospero. You lose, but it's a question of how many you can save.
This was such a different pace and feel to the usual expert reacts, and even Dr Capwell's other videos and Im 100% here for it. Hearing someone wax lyrical about something they're deeply passionate about and how its reflected in the work of another is just wonderful.
I love this. It's not even an interview. It's barely about what's on the screen. It's just Capwell lecturing on how armour is art, and how evocative that art can be. That he uses the same language when talking about history and the game shows how the game's artists did a good job that went beyond just being decorative to carrying a deeper meaning.
I'm surprised he brought up Ivanhoe returning in disguise with his shield covered but didn't connect that to Titus in the Deathwatch as a Blackshield, literally hiding his shield aka chapter livery to serve his penance in disguise.
Honestly he chose one of the best ways to get into this by just picking some Cool dudes to paint love it! Always love to see Toby on the show love his input
A synchronus detail I've just realized is that GWs modelers, while they may not be fully aware of the historic and practical details that they implement, such as the cut outs on the sheilds, they carry that memetic/iconic symbolism through, even when inaccurately applied.
I'm so happy you brought Toby back! I love it that he takes into account cultural elements, and the specifics of a setting, and think of how these things could work in that setting, based on his experience with historical equipment.
Seeing as he's a fan of the newly minted Dozen Sons chaos legion, I wish yall played the dreadnought's intro longer so he heard, and more importantly we could see him react to, the madlad chomping at the bit to throw hands with Magnus himself.
13:30 this guy is awesome. Just replace the word sword with bolter and god with The Emperor and this dude has described the mentality of an Astartes to a tee. Does he even realize it?
Based on the excitement and way he talks about the 40K comparisons with our own history? I'm sure he does see that. I remember him from the last video where was just as fun to hear talk about Warhammer. But as he says himself, he was/ is a busy guy and I think he would love the books filled with stories and lore if he hasn't already been reading some. Clearly is knows about the tabletop game with the older Warhammer art style and I do hope he at least watches some videos on it, I remember seeing there being a 3 hour cutscene / gameplay "Movie" now, that showed enough in-game things between to get the context from all the awesome cutscenes.
The mini jousting shield talked about 19 minutes in; I believe they call it a tilting shield, and the purpose of it is to display the marine's personal heraldry. Their armour is coloured and adorned according to their chapter, with some small variation to identify which company within the chapter they belong to (usually that's the colour of the pauldron rims) along with some even smaller identifiers for squad and combat role. The tilting shield is the one part of the armour that is set aside for the individual, for his personal heraldry.
> Be a historical expert
> Accept an interview to comment on SM1's arms and armours
> "Oh hey that looks cool and my son is into it"
> 1 year later, he has read 30 Horus Heresy books, has become a TS fan, knows about the lore more than the average fan, and displays his knowledge when interviewed on SM2
Absolute madlad
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I'm listening to my first book (Helsreach) and haven't played any Warhammer besides the Total War series. I'm in love with this universe/lore! Thinking about going to the local game store to see about playing....maybe even paint something...who knows.
No kidding, Toby really fell down the rabbit hole. Good on him.
Good job, got another one boys
Yet, still calls Adeptus mechanicus - Mechanicum adepts. 😀
"you can play the Thousand Sons as the heroes they really are". ABSOLUTE. LEGEND.
Magnus did SOMETHING wrong...
@@IrregularDave no p diddly did something wrong magnus just cared too much.
@@IrregularDave Magnus did nothing wrong, and Erebus did everything right
@@cyberash3000 For all his faults, Magnus was never found with a stash of baby oil, so you're onto something here
@@IrregularDave Magnus was told to do "nothing" and so he did "nothing" wrong
Tzeentch had his eyes on Toby the moment he stepped inside that store
You can really tell a lot about someone by the factions they support in Warhammer. Theirs a TH-camr I’ve watched on his journey through the Warhammer lore and his favorite factions are the Ork Freebooters, Thousand Suns, Necrons and his preferred Chaos God is Tzneetch.
@@Broomer52 Patrician taste.
He spent $9999.99 on Thousand Sons minis
@@kimemaru7650that’s enough to actually play the game!
Yea a PhD doctor with knowledge steps into the store. Tzeentch was immediately fed by that grey matter.
I like that you can obviously tell he’s become a fan. The first Warhammer video he’s curious and asking what everything is, in this one he knows what the chaplains and thousand sons are.
He told me he's read nearly 30 Horus Heresy books since we recorded the first episode.
Wow respect to him someone deffinetly found a new hobby @@IrregularDave
@@IrregularDave holy terra, man’s gonna show up in armour with a Thousand Son paint job next time you have him on
@@davidkelly1638 oh no don't give him ideas!
@@davidkelly1638I'd love to see that
It's cute to hear Toby talk about how he got into the hobby to spend quality time with his son. I love that.
It's cool that he's not superficially into it too. It seems he's developed genuine passion for 40k. Imagine having such a dope dad.
I’ve played table top for about 10 years now. Mainly kitchen table matches with friends at home. When finally dipped the toes into the local community of players, most my age are Dads got into it with their parent, and/or to spend time with their kids. GW is a weird company. And it’s just a business for them obviously, but as a hobby when look past all that to why people enjoy it, it’s usually a story amounting to bringing folks together. Kinda wholesome Ngl.
@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming There is something about the depth, even if it is grimdark, that draws you in. It is an interesting phenomena.
I love the little "yayy" when the thousand sons show up
@@BoringBrandiYeah. My eldest kid is into Titanic and ships in general. I plan to visit Southampton and other places relating to Titanic and their museum with him. May be it'll inspire him to be a Naval architect?
Toby becoming a 40k fan off-screen is character development I never knew I needed to see
Toby as Magnus apologist confirmed.
Listening to his references throughout and holy shit this man has fallen down the 40K rabbit hole in the interim. Good job Dave. I just have an image of him leafing through John Blanche artwork in the early hours of the morning.
I am team Ahriman.
Can't have an apologist when there is nothing to apologise for
I need him to know about Arkhan Land.
Magnus needs no apologists, just supporters of the truth.
Magnus did nothing wrong, fk Leman Russ.
I love how he goes on those deep, meandering tangents instead of just this lazy "Oh, thats cool but impractical. In reality you woule use this or that, blah blah blah". No, he is an educated and very knowledgeable man who has deep passion for this topic.
So much passion he got his doctorate on the subject.
I could honestly talk about Warhammer and listen to Toby's breakdowns for hours...which actually makes these shoots really quite tough haha
You do realize that those aren't mutually exclusive right?
@@IrregularDave No offence to your other guests, but Toby is the best one for me, I just wish we had more of him.
I felt the same way, glad someone said it
It's always fun to talk Warhammer with Toby! Although as a Dark Angels fan i have some FEELINGS about him collecting Thousand Sons...
Well, could be worse, you could have been collecting space wolvess
That was definetly huge shock and sad day to us all.
watching his sheer giddy excitement at their appearance in the game was so wholesome
Toby gets the whole "rule of cool" while being functional like Johnathan does. Always want to see more of him.
im honestly supprised he didn't go DA
"Hopefully that will be rectified in a downloadable expansion that you can play the Thousand Sons as the heroes they really are"
"Sir, the Inquisition would like a word with you and they have brought the Space Wolves with them"
"I can feel the comments already".
Indeed. The T-Sons stopped being heroes a long time ago.
You know you've fethed up when those two are happy to work together.
A real gakking mess@@GeordieSwordsman
@@BenHyle Nah, they became heroes a long time ago, specifically about the moment Magnus got his back broken
I knew I could smell wet dog
Tobias Capwell and Jonathan Ferguson are legends of the internet, and this series may be the best thing Gamespot has produced in the post Ryan Davis era.
Pretty sure we are at the peak of gamespots potential with these 2 experts
Jonathan Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK Ferguson
@@pierreo33 They need a third, then they can all play SM2 together. :P
Should've showed him the Thousand sons terminators. Especially the melee ones, They are so cool.
Oh we did. I pointed them out as "Thousand Sons Terminators" and he rightfully corrected me with an "oh, the Scarab Occult?"
@@IrregularDave Funny thing, they do call them scarab terminators in the game files..
@@MinecraftLD10 Because that's how they are called.
@@legio1942they’re called the Scarab Occult by the other legions. But are known as the Sekhmet by the Thousand Sons
If he knows who the Sekhmet Terminators are, he's truly down the rabbit hole 😂
> Bursts through wall
> Kills Helbrute
> "WHERE ARE THE TRAITORS"
> Refuses to elaborate
> Kills Heldrake singlehandedly
> "IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR, I CAST YOU DOWN!!"
Like literally single handedly... like used a single hand to hurl a statue.
Forgot “Lead me to the slaughter”
Is Magnus here, a pity, kills minions
Referencing Ivanho and his anonymous identity really nails it in the head with Titus' status as a Deathwatch Blackshield
"I can feel the comments already"
The disturbance of the warp was strong on that day 😂
it really is an honor as a 40k fan to have someone as capable and respected as Toby Capwell talk not just from his historical expertise but as an actual fan himself too. Damn this video made me happy
I agree, if now GW would stop for a moment shooting themselves in the foot and stop price hikes so more people can get into that hobby. It would be nice. I put off buying a defiler three - four hears ago whe it was 50€ when I thought I already have enough to paint and I wouldn't get to it. Now the model is 80-90€ :(
@@theblackbaron4119 what model went from 50 to 90 ?
BY THE EMPEROR! THIS MAN HAS BROUGHT THE TAINT OF CHAOS TO HOLY TERRA!
AND I WELCOME IT!
Embrace the blessings and gifts of Grandfather. Grandfather loves you very much.
@@TheBuckteeth100 Back off, spawn of entropy! Do you not recognize the mark of the Changer on his soul?
He he he said taint..
@@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 Silence, Son of Magnus! Your carrion fowl God would sell you for the slightest bit of knowledge.
Grandfather loves all life. Welcome him into your life. Start by not bathing and welcome his embrace. Grandfather loves you.
This guy's great. Thanks a lot for keeping this 30 minutes instead of condensing it into 10!
That was genuine by the way. I know lots of people say "thanks a lot" sarcastically but that's not the intention here.
Magnus did the best he could with the information available to him at the time.
I was hunting for this comment 😂❤
A sad victim of circumstances
@@chengkuoklee5734and of his own pride
Famous Magnus joke:
Magnus did nothing wrong.
He was told to do nothing, and he did it wrong.
@@barbariandude But doctor, I am Alpharius.
Everybody laughs.
I love that he addressed how laborious and manpower intensive being a knight in the Medieval Period is, and how its still reflected in Warhammer 40k with Space Marines and other more "knightly" or "ornate" warriors of the Imperium. And then imagine an entire company, plus its equipment, vehicles, weapons, gear, alongside its armor, and all the armor being uniquely specific to each Marine, so they can't just mass produce or mass repair the armors. Then equipping the Marines themselves with varying weapon systems, and the munitions to support said weapon systems, and ensuring that they're properly equipped to support their weapon systems.
This on top of keeping their void ships running and functioning, and continually running to and fro to ensure that the ship is in good shape for any and all potential realities, including void battles.
It would be hellish to be anyone except a Space Marine on one of their War Ships.
Yeah, the "tooth to tail" ratio for even a single Astartes must be INSANE. In the modern US Army, it takes 10 non-combat personnel to support a single infantryman. In an Astartes chapter, it must be in the hundreds.
The non combatants being techpriest who rarely sleep and are roided on computers could close the gap, but I’d imagine its still alot of techpriest for one astartes full kit
@AnakinFury You're forgetting about Chapter serfs.
@@AnakinFury remember that the majority of the AdMech clergy? presence will be Adepts, not full priests. Not to mention the servitors who are doing most of the actual manual labor, though they have the same benefit of either not requiring rest cycles, or having abridged rest cycles. Both servitors and the presence of Adepts are wonderfully shown in game as well.
Yeah, a Space Marine Chapter needs all the support staff of a modern military regiment AND a medieval knightly entourage.
"I got into 40k to help my son."
You, sir, are a hero. The Emperor would be pleased.
The Emperor has some words of caution about sons though….
@@Justanotherconsumer Big E didn't help Horus paint minis, that's why it happened.
Understanding that the most serious aspects of 40k are the most exaggerated and farcical is the most enjoyable part of 40k. Now, that being said, The Emperor Protects!
the arm chains do actually have a use, its origins are from the world eaters, they would attach their weapons (guns or blades) to the chain so they could retrieve them quickly in battle. it became a staple of the black templars through their founding chapter master who also used this practice which he ironically picked up from them. the death watch would probably pick it up from the templars that were with them. titus was in the watch so he might have picked it up from there.
the irony is that the templars only think of it as a "not letting go of your weapons till you win or die" type thing and do not know where it came from.
Titus doesn't chain his weapons, it's just to note he has served in the deathwatch. But everything u said is true.
They were a real thing historically. On coats of plates from about 1360, they would attach your weapons or helmet or visor to your body armour so you didn't lose them on horseback. More common in modern Germany so that's probably where the inspiration for it on the Templars came from. Was a pretty short lived fashion and not without drawbacks.
Actually, it was started by Sigismund, future first chapter master of Black Templars.
He nearly died as a kid, when his bullies smashed weapon from his hand.
He went on becoming best non-primarch duelist in Imperium, but always had weapon attached by chains to never drop it.
@@Kubulin24 then there are multiple differeing reasons. true sigi was insanely good but he was not afraid to pick up ideas from here and their. if my memory serves right (and i will admit that i might be wrong as the 40k lore and books are extensive) but i think i remember him and kharn (before the whole insanity thing)used to duel and it was from kharn that he took the chain thing but again i might be wrong. i will say though that the templars did get it from sigismund and it has become a staple for them and it does have major cultural impact within the chapter for the 10k years in which the practice has been done. either way the point is that there is a reason for the chains.
@@Kubulin24 sigismund learned it from the world eaters.
Talking about the flawed awareness reminded me of one of my favorite bits from the now-deleted Regimental Standard blog, where they were talking about tanks throughout history and mentioned the Tiger Tank, from the "Two World War" which they assumed was called that because it only involved two planets. They also mentioned not being sure what a Tiger was, though they knew it was a long-extinct Terran animal and assumed it was some sort of large insect.
"The Two World War" is such a great lore detail and fits 40k's flawed historical literacy. I love that.
They also think that monkey tails were like scorpion tails, with a venomous stinger.
@@gokbay3057fairly sure it was only Arkhan Land that thought that; others thought it was just a tail.
My personal favourite was the new issue ration packs for the guard. Complete with "breakfast", "lunch" and "dinner" (packs identical except for the label), and a pack of crunchy snacks in two flavours (fish or rodent). Rumour that they were shipping cat treats as a snack due to Tyranids devouring a few agri-worlds are heresy.
@@daveharrison61 Not sure about rodents but fish feels like it would be a step up from corpse-starch or synthetic protein Guardsmen are fed most of the time (even if it was originally meant to be cat food).
Toby radiates a deep love for what he does, and his enthusiasm for 40k really shows and its so awesome to hear he has been getting more into it and loving it. More of these please.
More of this guy please. He's so interesting to listen to. I prefer this to "well that's cool but the real one looks like this".
In reference to banners having an effect on morale, immediately made me think of Jeanne d'Arc and how she didn't carry a sword into battle, but rather a banner and was a beacon on the battlefield more than a straight up warrior which helped the French not give up, but keep fighting
3:40 very much like a deathwatch blackshield
That's exactly what I thought
It's really funny that what branded him as disinherited was an actual shield. I wonder if GW pulled Black Shield lore from stories like that if it was a common practice.
AWESOME, i really missed that guy!
same
I've never seen him before. I thought it was only Jonathan lol
Makes me shed a tear of joy to see such an expressive, interesting and cultured guy like him be so passionate about 40k, i hope to see much more of his takes on it in the future.
“If I put MY plate armor on and picked up an assault rifle” quite literally the male fantasy right there.
Speaking of banners, the Company Standard or even the Legion Standard are usually carried by ancients of the army, kind of like actual ancients in their duty of lorekeeping and also embodying an aspect of the spirit of the legion or chapter. Infamously Rylanor The Unyielding, an Emperor's Children dreadnought, was the Emperor's Children's Ancient of Rites, and he carries one of the banners that symbolised the original loyalist Emperor's Children.
I recall the virtues I stood for
The actual lore keepers are librarians iirc
@@ashtonhoward5582 Librarians are lorekeepers in the sense that they remember the chapter's history, a role that is shared with every dreadnought, while ancients, in both 40k and irl, usually are lorekeepers in that they keep the chapter's traditions and (in irl history) history too
@@PhantomGato-v- I could've sworn librarians chronicle the chapter's history. Or at least the head librarian does (w/e those are called, can't remember).
@@ashtonhoward5582 they do, but rituals and traditions are the job of ancients
Toby definitely my favorite expert after Jonathan Ferguson keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armory's museum in uk.
It’s like A Tribe Called Quest, you always gotta say the full title.
He is now Toby of the Thousand Sons
It's these two and then the British Michelin star chef that reviews cooking scenes in movies and TV (some other channel, should be easy enough to find)
23:59 Tobias calling out the Imperium and their belief in the false Emperor, the decaying corpse on the golden throne. Very based.
Inquisitor?
This man, right here.
Meh. That's like calling out Jesus for dying. The entire point is him sacrificing everything for nothing.
How unexpected of a Thousand Son.
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one"
Toby is a Thousand Sons fan as well, I’ve never been more proud to be one!
Inquisitor! This one right here.
Tobias is one of my favorite commentators because he genuine enjoys the historical influences and applies them to the setting.
SOMETHING JUST FLIPPED ON INTO MY BRAIN did they have ultramarines fight the thousand suns bc of egyptian and roman historical rivalry??
😮
Now wait a minute
No. Because it's an Ultra Marine main character anways, and there are only so many traitor legions, so they chose one that's cool and fits with the story.
Spot on yes
No. The time where the Romans and Egyptians co-existed was during the time when Egypt was way past it’s prime. You could barely call it an empire. It was conquered and ruled by Greeks since Alexander the Great until it was conquered by Rome. They weren’t rivals.
Small chance Tobias Capwell sees this, but he is great and I love what he explained and how in this video. Kudos and have a good weekend!
Give all the haters a good Götz von Berlichingen!
I’m pretty much exclusively subbed to this channel to watch our two beloved armor and weapon experts. They do really great stuff and it is just so cool seeing his transition into a genuine fan of the series
This is such an amazingly fun and informative video - both for his perspective on how authentic the concepts in Warhammer are, but also for how he's gotten into the genre of Warhammer with his son. Wonderful stuff to have such a well-informed person analyzing these things.
Always good to hear from Toby!
Yes. This is the Capwell content we crave.
My personal favorite dreadnought story is of Chyron. Not only do you have the typical rigors of being confined in a dreadnought. But Chyron also believed himself to be the last of the Lamenters. Forever separated from his brothers and not allowed to die by their side as he was serving in the Deathwatch. I wonder if he and Titus ever met.
"THE NIDS ATE MY BROTHERS! I WILL HAVE VENGENCE!!!" -slaughters his way through the nids like he's dealing with toddlers with sticks-
"Brother Chyron, didn't you hear? The Primarch sought out your chapter and gave them reinforcements! They've been brought up to full strength and released from their penitent crusade!"
"MY BROTHERS ARE ALL DEAD!!!! DEAAAAD!!! VENGENCE WILL BE MINE!!!!!"
Full title: Chyron Amadeus Chyropheles.
Rylanor or the Anchorite would be it for me
I was just thinking last night that there arent enough video game armour reviews featuring toby capwell
Tobias getting into Warhammer purely because he wanted to connect with and have something to do with his son, and then getting into the lore as an afterthought, is just next level wholesome.
18:30 THANK YOU for describing this tiny little shield near the chest of a space marine armour. I can't get with a name and can't Google it.
it's cool how a real shield idea - acting as protection for the weak point in the armpit armour - became a jousting thing and eventually an honour worn and a place to show heraldry and symbols
I really like his take on the jousting shields in regards to "Flawed Awarness" since it perfectly embodies what 40K is particularly the Imperium so many things are distorted from what they should be due the time has been passed, records lost and slowly things that should have been wrong or are done wrong are seen as normal things in life.
The unrestrained joy he shows when his favourite faction shows up is all of us, really. So cool especially to compare with last time we saw him talk about 40k.
I love that Toby has now become a fan and, he always got the nuance that it's a game and a fictional universe so rule of cool applies. And he would applaud it where he could, but now he's actively defending it while acknowledging it's wrong and it's wonderful.
@GameSpot one things that’s not shown in the game is the reason they’re so much larger is they’re primaris marines which are larger than the first born marines. In the beginning of the game when you see Titus in that deathwatch armor is first born marine size. After he’s reunited with the Ultramarines he has gone through the rubicon and become primaris which is why he’s not in his armor anymore.
When he made the Shakespire comment, I knew he'd already tried diving into the Horus Heresy series lol
This is a wonderful episode. The passion he has for historical arms and armor is clear. His insights are much appreciated!
I also agree with his take on the useless jousting shields as a largely useless relic that used to serve a purpose and been turned into a fashion accessory. We can see the same thing happen to the gorget of knights being adopted by officers of early modern militaries and turning into a necklace, essentially.
Ive always enjoyed the way Toby talks about armor in games, from a position of appreciating the art of it, and i love it more than ever now that he's so knowledgle about 40k history aswell as real world history.
Wonderful breakdown! Love the enthusiasm for the Sons, even if it's heresy lol
Continuing to enjoy the various experts being brought onboard, this series is truly amazing!
I always loved that bit of anachronistic fixation in 40k. Armors from earlier periods are revered and desired despite being less effective than modern designs in practical terms.
Depends on when it's from. The Imperium is slowly losing technologies because they declare it heresy or the planet it's on is destroyed and inventing new tech is fraught with heresy accusations. So, depending on where and when, it might actually be better than modern.
It's why the Tau will keep becoming stronger. They are actively developing new stuff. Almost no one else is.
I love how eagerly this man takes something from the game and just _talks_ ad nauseum about it, relates it to real life, to other subjects, to things only peripherally relevant but still important...you seem to hardly have to drive the conversation much at all with him, he just wants to engage and discuss and clearly loves what he does. We should all love what we do as much as him, it's truly beautiful to listen to.
no matter the place where im getting information abot the lore of warhammer, there is always someone that has a different opinion about factions, or chapters, and this makes the lore and conversation around this franchise so entertaining, im glad that i found this world, it feels never ending, there is always something to get into :D
30:02 dreadnoughts generally tend to get pretty insane and suicidal, they spend their remaining life’s either in cryosleep or in combat, with often severel hundreds of years between deployments
'cept for Bjorn, we Space Wolves are just built different 😏
He's still mostly in cryosleep
Some of the oldest are several thousand years old. I like the story of the Tau defeating a dreadnought only to discover the space marine corpse inside is older than their entire empire.
@@Knight_Kin yea but I’m considering active service
i love hearing this man talk so passionately about 40k and the historical nuances within the series
love more of this please!
When they started talking about losing the standard all I could think of was Sharpe:
"A man who loses the king's colours loses the king's friendship."
I've seen my share of "Expert Reacts" videos, this is certainly one of the best. Toby's depth of historical knowledge and genuine fascination with the stuff he's talking about is a pleasure to watch. I love the nerdy tangents he goes on, like pondering the philosophical and moral realities of Dreadnoughts being inseparable from their armor. Great stuff.
Thank you dave for getting toby back! He is definetly on of the most entertaining person from all these expert reacts videos and how he can apreciate design art and settings way better than most.
2:22
There's a few reasons why it works for Space Marines. For example, power armor is a very sophisticated piece of technology that connects directly to a Marine's nervous system via their Black Carapace implant. This interface connection allows the armor to mimic the wearer's movements almost perfectly and also lets the wearer "feel and sense" their surroundings through this armor to a much greater degree due to built-in sensor systems. It basically acts like a second skin which enhances a Marine's already super-enhanced physiology even further.
Power armor also has ocular auto-targeting systems in the helmet which can sync up with their weapon sights, making them extremely accurate and precise with their shots, even while hip firing on the move.
Finally, Space Marines are superhuman warriors with decades, if not centuries of incredibly rigorous training and combat experience under their belts. They are experts at fighting with their armor and equipment. It's like extensions of their body.
not all powered armour needs the black carapace for nervous system interface, there are smaller / weaker suits that just feel and copy the wearers movements like the Sisters of Battle wear, or custom neural interfaces as used by nobles and inquisitors that are custom made and very expensive
@@ZannNewman This is true. The Black Carapace interface isn’t required for many suits of power armor, though, those without this implant can miss out on the Astartes grade enhanced connection to the suit and possibly many systems.
I was specifically talking about Astartes power armor here.
I also hope to see the thousand sons playable. :)
Chaos operations lets gooooo!
In the 1st games multiplayer they later added a dreadnought mode where teams could use points gained from objectives to respawn in control of a dreadnought. Maybe there'll be a spin off of that but instead with a psyker class and have a Ksons for the chaos version
Remember Tobias, Blessed is the mind to small for doubt. Be wary of the knowledge you hold in such high regard.
The Inquisition is watching.
Specifically me.
I spent a couple of hours last night looking at High Gothic German Armor, which is the standard.
They had hammered ribs into the plates, which I noticed. That works to reinforce the physical structure of it, but also, having thicker areas works like angled plate Armor in tanks. Resists crushing blows.
It's also black, probably having been treated with coal, to give it a black coat, before it was annealed.
All you'd have to do is scale it up like 1.25-1.5×
And the extra space would get filled with hydraulics, and wires, leading to a motor on the back pack.
Rubber gasket seals and sapphire for windows and it could be a space suit.
It's not that far off to go from Ceremonial Italian Renaissance Armor, to space marine Armor.
Without all the embellishments, it's like the same ammount of work to make a simple space Armor suit.
I'll also add that the properties of steel are such that a curved surface is always stronger than a flat one. ~ instead of /
Man this guys knowledge and passion shines through, and you can really sense the appreciation he's developed for Warhammer, awesome
As someone who recreates and competes in 12th century martial arts, it’s amazing to finally hear someone, even briefly, talk about the psychology of being in armour. When I’m in my full armour and my full face helm, that feeling of invulnerability is palpable, you really do feel like a different person and I imagine that contributed so much to how effective a fighting force knights were on medieval battlefields, so it’s nice to hear an expert talk about that aspect of armoured fighting.
This guy is the definition of a gentleman and a scholar
It is heresy that I had to scroll down this far for this comment.
It's so fun to see how much he gushes about the marines, and how he brings his own knowledge and insights into the whole mix. It's so obvious how much respect and curiosity he has for the 40K universe at this point.
I love how he says in reality knights where drenched in blood in battle..because that is the exact legendary Story of Leopold V. of Austria ..the flag is literally his white blood soaked tunic with the belt taken off revealing the only part that was protected from getting drenched in blood.
The Roman inspiration is very intentional for the Sons of Guilliman. They're the XIIIth Legio Astartes - that's the Roman legion Caesar crossed the Rubicon with when he took Rome. Creating a Primaris Astartes from an old generation Astartes is done by a process dubbed "crossing the Rubicon Primaris". Roboute Guilliman is essentially a 12ft tall, super soldier version of Julius Gaius Caesar himself in pretty much every regard. He's from a planet that is heavily influenced by Roman/Greek culture (the inner fortress of the Ultramarine's fortress on Macragge, and where Guilliman was interred until he was revved is called "The Temple of Hera"). A lot of their armor accents are also derivved from either real Roman legionnaire stuff, or romanticized stuff. You can pick out the cultures that effects all of the First Founding (the original Legios Astartes armies) by just looking at them, essentially.
"Heretical wargear coming soon". Shows a Dark Angel. NICE
Surprisingly insightful comments on a lot of 40k's design that I never thought of. It's great to hear from an expert who themselves has become a fan actually digressing with their own ideas rather than simply giving impressions.
His story about getting into the thousand sons is a lot like how I got into chaos space marines. Playing Dawn of War for the first time with some friends as a kid I picked "Chaos" because they sounded kind of evil and I made them black and red because I liked that color combination. 20 years and a dozen armies later I still play black and red chaos marines (a warband from the lore called Brotherhood of Darkness).
Totally should have shown him "The Armouring of a Space Marine Cinematic" I would love to see his reaction to that lol
That was delightful, thank you! Hearing Mr Capwell connect history and 40K is a huge treat!
Toby understood that Magnus clearly did nothing wrong!
Correct. He was told to do nothing, and he did it wrong.
@@MajorDumpsterFire I was about to post that reply before I clicked the little dropdown
Honestly, I would like a Warhammer game where you are switching povs between Loyalists and Heretic with each mission.
Chaos Space Marine game would be fire.
A pre-heresy RTS. You play as Magnus trying to get his small legion to overcome some of the xeno empires they exterminated. Endgame is the Rangdan. DLC is the fall of Prospero. You lose, but it's a question of how many you can save.
@@TheMadOneofSB or you can play as Ahriman as a main character experience the 30k and later 40k in his shoes
This was such a different pace and feel to the usual expert reacts, and even Dr Capwell's other videos and Im 100% here for it.
Hearing someone wax lyrical about something they're deeply passionate about and how its reflected in the work of another is just wonderful.
As a proud owner of a 10k ts army, I agree a lot. 0:35
The only thing magnus did wrong was being kinda dumb
I love this. It's not even an interview. It's barely about what's on the screen. It's just Capwell lecturing on how armour is art, and how evocative that art can be. That he uses the same language when talking about history and the game shows how the game's artists did a good job that went beyond just being decorative to carrying a deeper meaning.
Even a new guy like Toby knows the Thousand Sons got shafted hard
I could listen to Tobias for hours on end talk about this. These videos covering 40K are an absolute treat to listen to, brilliant.
I'm surprised he brought up Ivanhoe returning in disguise with his shield covered but didn't connect that to Titus in the Deathwatch as a Blackshield, literally hiding his shield aka chapter livery to serve his penance in disguise.
Honestly he chose one of the best ways to get into this by just picking some Cool dudes to paint love it!
Always love to see Toby on the show love his input
I'd love to see Tobias react to Exanima, I think he'd love to see the depth to the armor systems and how it can be stacked.
A synchronus detail I've just realized is that GWs modelers, while they may not be fully aware of the historic and practical details that they implement, such as the cut outs on the sheilds, they carry that memetic/iconic symbolism through, even when inaccurately applied.
I really want a space marine game in the Horus heresy
I'm so happy you brought Toby back!
I love it that he takes into account cultural elements, and the specifics of a setting, and think of how these things could work in that setting, based on his experience with historical equipment.
Brother Toby is always welcome in our crusade.
Seeing as he's a fan of the newly minted Dozen Sons chaos legion, I wish yall played the dreadnought's intro longer so he heard, and more importantly we could see him react to, the madlad chomping at the bit to throw hands with Magnus himself.
13:30 this guy is awesome. Just replace the word sword with bolter and god with The Emperor and this dude has described the mentality of an Astartes to a tee. Does he even realize it?
Based on the excitement and way he talks about the 40K comparisons with our own history? I'm sure he does see that.
I remember him from the last video where was just as fun to hear talk about Warhammer.
But as he says himself, he was/ is a busy guy and I think he would love the books filled with stories and lore if he hasn't already been reading some.
Clearly is knows about the tabletop game with the older Warhammer art style and I do hope he at least watches some videos on it, I remember seeing there being a 3 hour cutscene / gameplay "Movie" now, that showed enough in-game things between to get the context from all the awesome cutscenes.
The mini jousting shield talked about 19 minutes in; I believe they call it a tilting shield, and the purpose of it is to display the marine's personal heraldry.
Their armour is coloured and adorned according to their chapter, with some small variation to identify which company within the chapter they belong to (usually that's the colour of the pauldron rims) along with some even smaller identifiers for squad and combat role. The tilting shield is the one part of the armour that is set aside for the individual, for his personal heraldry.
Magnus did the best he could with the information he had available to him!
Toby is such a treat to listen to. Well versed, intelligent and just pure passion for what he does!
Thousand Sons? Heroes???? I’m calling the Inquisition….
No need, I am always on the lookout.
Magnis did nothing wrong😂hahah
i believe Ahriman is a hero lord remembrancer
That was legit fun to watch this.
Seeing how much this guy has learned since the last video was great.
Welcome brother.