A Response to Roaming Millennial's "People of Color: You Are Not Oppressed"
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Murder doesn't exist because murder is illegal, duh. Case closed.
Well, how would you stop murder then? Murder is terrible, you can't let it go on! How do you stop it?
You can't, at least not without massively violating everyone's freedom. Because politics can only control laws. That's all you can do. Complaining about illegal discrimination is like complaining about murders; yeah, it sucks, it really does - but what do you expect us to do about it? By making it illegal, we have done what we could. It won't stop, obviously. But there's nothing more we could have done. So stop complaining that murders still happen.
No, making something illegal is not "doing all you can." Higher standards of healthcare and education has proven to reduce intentional homicide and neither of those massively violate freedom. Of course we are never going to reduce murder (or racism) to nothing, but there are still steps we as a society can take to reduce them. If people need to "complain" for these issues to be heard (as many people deny that racism is even an issue) than so be it. Racism is a problem and our culture needs to take steps to address it. @@sciencetube4574
@@whereammy
Okay... what you're basically saying here is that social programs help the poor, and this is a racial policy because there isn't an equal number of poor people from all races. So what you're arguing for here is social programs - which I kind of agree with, as a social liberal. You can definitely make the point that social programs would be beneficial, but you can't do that on the basis of race. Social programs are a form of redistributing wealth; you're not just giving people free stuff, that stuff has to come from someone else. So if you want to argue that social programs are good because they take ressources away from white people and give them to black people, then that's a racist and discriminatory policy which does indeed infringe upon the rights of white people.
@gjaddajg you're joking, right?
@gjaddajg idk buddy, you're kind of making a joke of yourself by not realizing you got angry at a... joke.
I'm oppressed and white is a colour, so there
Well, ackshually...
White isn't a color.
Tri3t: it is a color. "white" people however are more of a pinkish beige.
They should just stop complaining
Bananas shouldn't be allowed to speak in public...
hbomberguy Notice me, Senpai!
nine one one what is your emergency
what do you mean youre being murdered
thats illegal people cant do that
Please explain how you're oppressed.
@Siedler Joe Grievance can't be a way of life. Stop looking to others to make your life better.
@Siedler Joe If you're asserting people are oppressed, it's your burden to explain.
@@DWilliams-l3f they didn't even say they're oppressed dude, how do you even know they're not white
@Madalin Grama I love great comments like this that no one responds to, particularly not the people who disagree.
"I’m not racist but what my argument boils down to is that there must be some kind of inherent trait among black people that makes them more criminal than white people, because the disparity is certainly not caused by something like society/education/poverty/systemic racism/biased police and judges"
Well thank god you said you weren’t racist
@Shawn Macdonald you've highlighted the problem perfectly: a simplistic myopic view that doesn't look at the larger picture.
@Shawn Macdonald By dealing with people on a case by case basis. You don’t automatically assume that all black people must act like the one (or more) people whom you have had problems with.
John Christian you have issues dude, you should deal with them.
@John Christian I agree that race doesn't exist, sadly racist people however still exist, but I do agree with your view, though a true globalist would never play the race card, people can claim they are globalist for all I care, but if they are truly globalist they would teach children that race isn't real.
Besides, it has something to do with the fact that right wing and left wing pkay the "white/black people are oppressed", yes racism does happen to black people mostly, but that doesn't mean there are no black racists either, yes there are more black people in poverty, but only because people never cared for homeless people or people facing poverty regardless of race.
We have a real problem with denying that a problem exist and just sweeping it all under the rug, then blaming it on "race" because "politics".
@@Cassius4 It’s literally 4 minutes in
Do she really think that 400+ years of hatred and oppression just went away in 1965? Wow.
She is just defending her white privilege as a half white.
OK, let's just carry on fighting then. Keep that misery going. Never let the world forget, everyone stop what your doing because we suffered. Everyone has suffered. Europe was overrun by genocide your tiny mind could barely comprehend eighty years ago.. That's what people are capable of but you gotta keep PUSHING BUTTONS.
. People have been put through the most gargantuan wars imaginable, millions upon millions of combatants in single battles, no choice. What you gonna do with human nature? There is nowhere in the world you can escape this darling. If you think Africa or Asia is any better, think again.
The Irish and the British very recently resolved 700 years of animosity. Do you think, because Britain did the oppressing, that we should return to a state of violence because of past unfairness?
Ben Carter, the Irish and the British have been able to openly address and progress beyond their former violence, yes. But -- and here's the really important thing here -- they undertook a formal process to acknowledge and grow beyond the years of trauma and pain.
Nothing like that has ever happened in the United States. Our reconstruction period was rife with political corruption and ignored much of the racial issues of the day (except, they allowed former Slaves to vote, leading to the golden-age of minority representation in the US). After the Civil Rights Era, when such an effort would have been most fruitful, the powers that be decided a war on drugs (read: consolidated effort to disrupt and destabilize African American communities) was better than "fixing the problem".
Your comments sound like you feel threatened by discussions of dealing with former pain and trauma. I don't mean to get overly personal but, those who are unable to confront those issues in their own lives will likely find socieites attempt at dealing with the same as overly threatening and damaging. We can grow and get better, friend. The first step is the discussion. That's a macro and micro solution, homie. Try this out as a resource then see how you feel about dealing with pain and violence in a healthy and responsible way: www.betterhelp.com/advice/therapy/get-free-online-therapy-should-you-use-free-counseling/
@@TheGunnDogg - Wants to get more people on their side to fight oppression -> accuses someone of mental health issues for giving their two cents. Fascinating.
gjaddajg white privilege exists. it just means that you’re not negatively effected by being born a person of color. you only think it doesn’t because you have a fragile relationship with your race. stop whining. we all have privilege.
um.... people cant' be oppressed, that's illegal ://////
PeanutButterBruce yeah it is and we stop it, unless it’s the blacks cuz you know slavery and all, can’t police them.
It was a joke my guys
r/woooosh
911 what’s your emergency?
You’re being murdered?
People can’t do that, that’s illegal!
jesus christ guys its a joke
I'm so thankful we had a white lady tells us how racism isn't a problem anymore.
In addition, world hunger is solved because I just ate.
she is half asian and hates her asian part - thats why she tries so hard to be a part of the alt right and nazis like richard spencer! She desperately wants to be seen as a white woman - which she isn't, that she is willing to punch down on us blacks! She is pure evil!
alt righters and nazis have a fetish for asian women and its mutual.
"white" she is clearly mixed, im not saying I agree with her but it is so ironic to be calling her out on racism and then being racist back to her by erasing her ethnic identity wow
@veevyo her name is lauren chen. she's definitely hapa.
Enid Jones I thought she was white... l guess l can see it now?
@veevyo Yeah like I have slightly slim eyes, I've been mistaken for being Asian.
Almost all of my family is Irish and Norwegian. We're white af, no doubt about it lol. Same with this lady, she is clearly mixed but her actions scream this alt-right version of "whiteness" that I have no problem calling her white.
"For oppression to be happening, black people would need to be incarcerated unjustly."
Also not addressed by this definition is the inverse, which is that oppression could be demonstrated by white people NOT being incarcerated even though they deserved it. (Or being given lighter sentences than they were due.) Which happens all the time.
Brock Turner
@@mantistoboggan1503 it's cus he was wealthy jussy smolet
@@marciaosullivan3200 someone didn't finish researching that case.......
Go big or go home! If you steal $10 million in pension funds from people who trusted you, you'll probably do less time than a guy who robbed $800 from convenient stores.
@Riker AVD 2.0 Lmao mate don't be pathetic
It’s gaslighting. Making a victim believe they aren’t being abused to abuse them further.
I never thought of it like that before, well said, thanks for sharing
I honestly don't think a single person of color would be convinced, though. My take is that she's really aiming her video (despite the title) at white reactionaries who already agree with her.
@@kevinlaw826 Reactionaries are always lying about what they believe. I bet you if she were forced to admit what she really thinks about this issue, it'd be this: people of color *are* oppressed, and I'm fine with it.
@@wa57s577 Yeah, and see, the thing is, their existence is so absurd that I often forget about it. I just found out a Latino friend of mine, albeit one born in Nevada, is conservative and strongly for the border wall
I still doubt that RM's video was aimed at black conservatives specifically though. If a person of color was not conservative already, this video wouldn't convince them of anything, beside the fact that RM is a moron
Please stop with the victimology & grievance. Live your life.
Always love when a white person tells minorities that they are not oppressed based on a dictionary definition.
And she still got it wrong!
@Pencil Head great attempt at a counter argument man
@Pencil Head you didn't provide an argument at all. do you seriously think people of colour aren't oppressed in any way in the US?
@Pencil Head i think some of his criticisms are kinda fair, particularly his criticisms of the sources and his point about the marijuana usage, but to be honest he doesn't really debunk shaun's points much at all, and he makes points such as 'the disparity between sentence lengths is because black men commit more severe crimes' while offering no evidence to support that.
he also falls down the same hole that loads of anti-feminists do in correctly saying that the wage gap is actually an earnings gap because men work more hours (so therefore its not sexist) but stopping there and not considering any societal causes for that which could themselves be sexist.
also, he strawmans shaun a bunch of times by bringing up articles that shaun didn't write, cite or even make similar points to.
@Pencil Head that's fair enough, but i don't think his arguments at all amount to the idea that people of colour are no longer oppressed
“In Sweden, it is illegal to be a criminal”
Breaking news! Crime rates drop to 0%!
Love this lol
By 0%*
If we legalise everything the crime rate would be 0%
Immigrants: "that wont stop me because i cant read"
Poor black kid accused, let's presume guilt. Rich, white known predator, let's not ruin his life.
Your problem is you think the key factor there is the race of the two people you've invented, but the reality is that its the Poor vs Rich that makes all the difference.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Bill Cosby
@@kanzkat420 Harvey Weinstein, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly. All of these guys got away with that shit for YEARS not because they were white, but because they were RICH. The tide finally changed, and all of these guys started going down for their shit, black AND white. So what about Bill Cosby?
Even relevant if both parties committed the crime in question
@@wolfofthewest8019 ah, I was wondering where the class reductionists were hiding.
You must pay a poll tax to vote.
You must own significant property to vote.
You must be literate to vote.
If your grandfather could vote, you can vote.
Any of these requirements may be waived for a citizen in good standing.
Somehow, without mentioning race, these laws managed to prevent black people from voting for a century.
Damn this is a great example I hadn't even thought of! Thank you for this!
True for certain sections of the USA in the past.......but she was talking about now
What right do whites have that blacks don't in the USA today????
Theprfesssor With the identification requirements that are being debated for voting there is plenty of room for discrimination, the largest being a simple decision of which forms of identification work and which don’t: if a form has a higher prevalence amongst colored people such as say a high school ID then it can be disallowed disproportionately affecting groups that can’t afford to get say a drivers license should those be acceptable forms of identification . That is a manner in which colored people could very easily find themselves oppressed relatively soon and all under the guise of preventing voter fraud which isn’t actually that prevalent granted I don’t offhand have the statistics on the matter
One further wrinkle to this: many jurisdictions use voter registration and ID application records as their source for potential jurors. If those records are disproportionately white...
You make an excellent point! But even now, there are problems with representation. Children can't vote, same goes for a part of the prison population. People without the faculties to effectively vote in their own interests can vote and still not be represented.
I'm not saying we should do away with democracy, but we should be very mindful of this.
This ruined my morning, Shaun.
*You* ruined my morning.
*saved
The Whole Plate ruined one of my mornings and I thank you for it
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Do people just ignore the jim crow laws era? It's like people think after Abraham Lincoln black people started living the good life
Exactly segregation ended in 1965,however it persisted passive in some ways many years after and the oppression was still rampant. It's of course better now but it's still there and it shouldn't be.
It's so easy to say it's not happening when it doesn't affect you.
Yeah they do
Some people blow things out of proportion, though. They look at things from the past like blackface minstrelsy and try to put them in the same boat as slavery and lynching. Yes, blackface was mean-spirited, and you could argue that it was a form of bullying and thus PSYCHOLOGICALLY oppressive. But politically oppressive? No! It's a little unfair to judge people morally by the kind of entertainment they enjoy. Saying that anyone who put black makeup on his or her face was preventing African-Americans from succeeding is like saying that any man who looks at pornography is going to go out and rape a woman.
@@SeasideDetective2 This just might be the dumbest shit ive ever read.
@@SeasideDetective2 You have to analyze things above 3rd grade Social Studies if you're trying to understand this.
Carla breaks Johny's gameboy and then claims, "I will no longer break gameboys".
Johny says, "Great! Now can you please buy me a new gameboy."
Carla says, "How dare you try to hold me accountable for your lack of a gameboy when I don't even break gameboys anymore, you snowflake!"
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lmao true af
I'm def archiving this
And Carla can't replace Johnny's gameboy because "that would be REVERSE racism, you see"
This is PERFECT! Simple enough for the willfully obtuse and profound enough that any argument against it would just make the original point further ring true. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽love it
Alt-right: the dictionary says...
Feminist: the dictionary says feminism is...
Alt-right: whoa hol'up what a minute there.
NeedMoneyNow my thoughts exactly
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+NeedMoneyNow EXACTLY!! 😂
Robert Stuckey
Never thought of it that way.
I pointed this out too. Funny how they're just mirror images of each other.
"I'm not racist, but man those black people. Amaright?"
LOL! Good job of paraphrasing. You're right on.
Ivan Jocic sssh, they're still in their "Bell Curve" phase.
@@meltossmedia Yes, according to one discredited person.
@@lupec5201 I hope the irony of a person seemingly having a higher iq implying that an entire race has a below-average iq isn't lost on you.
Also, can you spell?
@@lupec5201 talking about low average IQ, have you taken the test? I'd love to laugh at your master race brain scoring double digits :)
2021 here, that "Asians aren't oppressed" argument she makes REALLY didn't age well
Guess no one told her about the history of law towards East Asian ppl in the US (or fkn internment)
They’re attacked but not systemically oppressed the way blacks are in the US.
She’d probably still disagree, “ya there’s a lot of violence towards asian people i mean it IS the china virus, asian people still aren’t legally discriminated against and make more money so they’re obviously not oppressed” smh
@@abigailpew8383 to be fair, can’t expect her to know about the interment camps when most schools dont fucking teach about it
@@arambles1 if you're making a video on something, it is generally assumed you should research about the topic? cant blame a shitty school system forever esp not when the internet is free.
The legally not oppressed argument can basicly be aplied like this:
If a school forbids bullying then the nerds on that school simply aren't being bullied.
Karl Holde
No. The argument is that the school is not endorsing the bullying and is doing everything to stop it, yet is being blamed.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 yes, but what would happen if teachers were bullies? what if they could excersize their power separately of eachother to individually turn the bullies against the nerds? or give in to subconcious biases, what if principals and superintendants chose to increase funding in sports because it's more profitable to bring parents to a match between 2 schools than to trust them to knowtheir money is going to the right place? bullying is fround upon, but their is usually no general attempt to stop it.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 speaking as someone who's dealt with bullying, schools don't try and stop it for shit. Especially when, as was the case for me, some of the teachers get involved. Their "zero tolerance" policies are moreso "zero involvement" policies, full stop. Don't give them credit for shoving their thumbs up their collective ass in the name of "character development" and "teaching independence", because it's a crock of horseshit.
@@nicholasfarrell5981
Oh I agree, I'm talking metaphorically. Schools are not like this, but our institutions absolutely do try to combat racism, only to get blamed for the one incident they couldn't stop.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 "our institutions absolutely do try to combat racism" If you lick the boot hard enough, apparently there's a prize inside. You keep licking this enthusiastically and I think one day you will get that reward! Lick like there's no tomorrow, dude!
As a second generation Chinese American and law student, I think you missed a great opportunity to discuss the another issue with the US immigration code. Essentially, it wasn't even just that those with money *could* immigrate, but only those with high levels of education or otherwise highly skilled individuals were allowed to. For instance, my parents were only *allowed* to immigrate because my father was pursuing a PhD in microbiology and was a license physician in China, and my mother was also a biomedical researcher. Even then, they had to call in favors from family friends, who were well situated to help. For instance, the most helpful family friend was a golf buddy of George Bush Sr. and even then it was difficult. My parents were by no means wealthy when they arrived, but they were only allowed to immigrate because of their potential to become wealthy because they happened to accrue a specific set of skills and qualifications in China.
Additionally, the household income statistics are incredibly skewed in that they don't compensate for the vastly larger household sizes of Asian Americans. In most cases, this leads to a disparity in number of wage earners within the household.
Spot on video though. Keep up the good work!
This is a poor argument, the US (and other western countries) saw immigration/took in refugees from Vietnam, namely the 'boat people', they have also out-performed the average in school and business.
The Chinese minorities in Indonesia and Malaysia also outperform the majority native populations in academics and business, and they don't have legal equality, let alone any other kind of equality, nor do immigration policies explain the disparity.
Check out article 153 of Malaysia's constitution, it explicitly discriminates against any minority in the country, in favour of the native population.
This includes quotas for civil service, scholarships, public education, etc...
Oh yeah, and discussing the repeal of said article is technically illegal.
@@MorphingReality It's actually not that poor. Yes, a lot of Vietnamese were political asylum seekers of South Vietnam, but you also had a huge wave who were Chinese-Vietnamese being purged from the country (one of which later on would create the popular Huy Foods Sriracha sauce). Now on the surface your argument still holds true, but you're underestimating the support that Chinese immigrants have towards each other.
It's very common for Chinese Americans to know pretty much everyone in the city, if it's not one of the major hubs of Chinese American communities (LA, SF, NYC, DC). It's common for these people to go to each other's parties, to go to the same volunteer Chinese language schools, to tutor each other's kids, and to provide financial assistance. In larger communities, there are organizations that take on this burden, but in smaller communities they tend to band together privately. You'll obviously find exceptions, but usually those exceptions have far more visibility (since they interact with non-Chinese people far more often). These immigrants, while not "fully Chinese," are treated far more liberally than in actual Asia, so they have a pretty good chance of benefiting from the influx of highly skilled professional Chinese-national immigrants.
It's anecdotal, but I do recall buying a bagel on the other side of the US in San Francisco at a tiny stall on Market St. The lady manning the station was Chinese, and surprisingly she gave me a quarter for change even though I was expecting far less (on the scale of a bagel's price, this was pretty massive). She just smiled and waved me off, and it made me realize that even though we were probably 6 generations removed in terms of immigration, there's still a sense of common struggle within the community. And so even if it's been 100 years since they were working together to create a bunch of "paper sons," I wouldn't discount the power of that Chinese immigrant community.
@@ruedelta I wish my people got together like that
Yo, my family is pretty much the same story, but with chemistry instead of biology!
Late to the party but as someone whose dad was a lawyer, law school is super tough. Wish you the best of luck on it :D
The cadence of her speech is just the most patronising thing I've ever heard.
It still isn’t as annoying as BPS. God, he pisses me off.
The tone, too. I wonder if she recognizes how condescending and patronizing she's being.
Nicholas Farrell she probably does it on purpose. she’s smarter than us all, anyway
I agree but so is the tone of Shaun in most of his videos.
She is whining. Like, appealing in a tonally emotional manner because she can't keep her feeelings from entering the chat.
Guys, guys chill out. No need to draw the victim card. It just sooo happens that the group of people who were once enslaved then were restricted from having a large number of rights afforded to the people that once enslaved them, are also currently the people living in the poorest parts of the country and are struggling with crime and poverty. It's all just a coincidence and there is no correlation at all.
Yeah, they should just stop asking too many questions and be more positive. I don't get why they concern themselves with these problems that aren't theirs, when they could just be happy!
yeah it's totally just because they're dumber and worse people, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with having been denied good education and the ability to build capital, generational trauma etc.
I'm so sick of people saying systemic racism isn't real, because there's literally no law that say "Black people can't do [x]." It's extremely disingenuous.
But what is systemic racism then?
s5079282 one really simple (albeit reductive) way to think about systemic racism is racism that doesn’t *explicitly* target race but does so *implicitly.* The crack vs. powder cocaine sentencing disparity that existed until just a few years ago is one example. It didn’t say “black people will be sentenced much longer” it simply more heavily punished offences more often committed by black people. You get a really good insight to it from a quote said by (I think?) a Nixon or Reagan staffer, who said something like, “you talk about the things you’d like to pin on blacks without ever saying the word ‘black.’”
@@Frenchhornhero It's also possible those offences are just worse.
@@s5079282 Well, are they worse? How worse?
@@acemaster3339 Don't know. And I'm not saying he's wrong, but I need examples of what these specific offences are so I can judge for myself if they're actually not worse offences that are worthy of worse punishments, or if they are indeed worth worse punishment.
Whenever this topic comes up I always like to state that Im white and smoked pot every day for years, drove stoned out of my mind constantly, bought pounds and pounds of weed in parking lots all over my city and never got more than a speeding ticket. If I were black in Baltimore, I might be Freddie Gray. One time a cop even found weed in my car and let me go after asking if I was depressed.
@Pencil Head He didn't say that. He's saying he's not sure he's treated the same as black people would be if they did the same thing as him.
omg the privilege just imagine👏😩😂this comment lowkey makes wanna start smoking
@Pencil Head so you're telling me that just because you've been harassed by some cops as a white person there can't be any cops who harass people because of their skin color or there can't be any cops who let criminals go because of their skin color?
I sure hope you're not risking completely destroying other drivers' lives nowadays
Every time she says "social justice warriors" unironically my soul leaves my body
Max Cohen
Because using the term "social justice warriors" is now a term which social justice warriors have deemed bad to unironically use in a way to deflect criticism. So your entire soul leaves your body more than once? How does that even make sense?
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Gutmenschen NPC Nr.6341903 You're a bit late.
@@sucher9043 oh my god did you just compare her to an NPC AND a communist? wow! Oh my god that stings so hard. Oh no! My world view! Help me! tell me ben shapiro will hold me in his little arms!
@@sucher9043 Lol exactly fellow übermench we are the REAL PEEPLE not dem ebil esjaydubleus haha *MISSION COMPLETE, SHUTTING DOWN UNTIL FURTHER ORDERS*
Oppression: Exists
Roaming Millennial: Wait, that’s illegal
Oppression don't exist in the West.
Dark Wolf443 it do tho
@@darkwolf4434 did u watch the video... of course it isn't that visible as back in the day when laws were explicitly made to target minorities... but today, they are made in such a way as to surgically target those specific minorities, whether it be voter id laws, higher imprisonment sentences, heavily policed areas etc... if you want more in depth info, watch three arrows' video called "the easy answers of youtube conservatism".
This was actually very clever! Teach me your ways.
Right off the bat she's giving me the energy of "If someone tries to rob you, you can simply refuse. They are not legally allowed to take any of your posessions without your consent."
"if you're homeless just buy a house, duh"
@Fenjamaus "If you're depressed, just be happy"
I knew I wouldn't be able to take this person seriously before watching the video, but after she showed a clip from Fox news as a citation I went from, "I can't take this woman seriously" to "I think my head just imploded." Excellent points from you though, Shaun.
Oh hey Rose love your videos
Me too!
Because using a news channel as a reference is so horrible amiright? Or is it because Fox leans conservative and that automatically discredits anything anyone on Fox says?
Cynical Unicorn It's called twin studies. Intelligence is almost 100% heritable as demonstrated by separating identical genomes at birth.
What do you mean attempted to disprove? The University Physics Slides provided by David Harrison of Toronto University at the beginning of the video demonstrate particles bouncing off outer walls to perform interference fringes, by removing the outer walls, pointing a laser at the body of a needle, we get the exact same backdrop pattern. This proves that the interpretation of particles bouncing off walls is inconsistent, it falsifies particle hypothesis and Relativity as well when we see how this particular modification parallels gravitational lensing.
There is no leftist conspiracy, leftists are just dumb as hell in unison, which may look conspiratorial, but can be explained by a lack of eugenic policies on the conservative end and mass alien brain hijack on the fringe.
So Shaun doesn't argue that they commit more crimes proportionally, you just argue for arguing sake that the extra 20% longer Sentence is unjust and we can agree with that and that only. And stop talking on individual level unless you read and compare all the crimes done by the individuals.
Roaming Millennial talks about oppression, not discrimination which, to tell you the truth never ever going to go out
discrimination stems from ignorance(which is never ending), Arrogance(me is better than the whity and vice-versa)
Prejudice(which is again part of ignorance, partly of depends on what do you eat in form of information)
and Last but not least Racism( yes, also not going away they discriminate on the basis of the race, they are all humans, all flawed, we all are flawed)
They believe they are being oppressed by white people doesn't that sounds like Racism, they got no proof,
even you(Shaun) could find only two studies of them being "oppressed" if it is a universal truth shouldn't there be like 100´s of them?
Fallacy starts here LOL
14:54
so one group ended up super educated, while other ends up with the high crime rates both were discriminated against. And if it got nothing to do with the genetics what does it has to do with? the starting money? is there something the African American cant do if they do study? isn't that what you saying?
The Asian educate themselves therefore they are proportionally rich vs African American who don't finish high school is 31%(2011-2012) and some years even higher. Who keeps them from sitting down and doing homework?
But right the Whites are at fault like the white care so much about it, sit down in a big-big room with only whites in it and decided how could they make the lives of African American even more oppressed, in fact, more oppressed than Asians. Who somehow end up proportionally better than the whites in the room. Make sense.
And why not move to Africa... certain there nobody going to oppress there... right?
No Whites=no Racism?
I hope RM appreciates how helpful you are, Shaun.
Roaming Millenium is becoming a parody of herself. Here's to hoping she does a 180, but smart money says she doubles-down on stupid.
Somehow I doubt it.
I do
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Well if he didnt leave out her conclusion and main point to her video, she might have needed to take him seriously. But well details.
For you who havent watched her video:
RM explains how complaining about being oppressed means you have an excuse for failing in live and not doing whatever you can to succeed.
If people finish highschool, get a full-time job and get married and have children after 21, they will escape any oppression that may or may not exist. No matter the race.
But well shaun likes to leave these things out since he only argues the points he will win.
Skipp her video to min 6 to see im right. She even sayes that the asian privilige is bullshit so shaun does a great strawmen on that in this video...
THIS is the video that breadpilled me and got me out of the incel rabbit hole with time.
glad to have you, mate :)
Congrats on becoming a better person.
Good on you. Happy you're here and doing better😊.
Tf does breadpilled mean?
@@giovi9741 I guess it's a pun/co-option (meaning adopting a concept as your own. Trump did this in response to DACA when he said "we have dreamers too") on the incel/conservative/conspiracy theory/white supremacist hashtag "redpilled" referencing The Matrix when you can either take a red pill and wake up to the harsh reality or take a blue pill and remain blissfully ignorant of reality.
This girl must watch a lot of Ben Shapiro. "There are no explicit laws, therefore racism is no longer a thing".
I (used to) be an anti-sjw who would eat up videos from people like RM and Carlgon, but recently I have been doing my own research into things outside of TH-cam videos which has lead me to start watching videos from people like you, contra and hbomb it's amazing how much stuff I didn't pick up on while watching their videos. A lot of cherry picked and ill researched information floods their videos and I'm starting to question why I ever fell for those videos to begin with
Welcome to the light, mate. Keep reading, it only gets more horrifying from here.
Welcome Comrade(JK). I encourage you to look try and look at everything from an objective perspective but still come to a conclusion. The world can't function with half truths and stand stills. Something has to be a universally objective point at least within the context of our society
I've seen more anti sjws becoming more bias recently and it's sad we don't see more people calling them out bc calling out sjws is actually the more popular opinion than it is "unpopular"
Same here. I was sort of brought up with "black people cause all of their own problems" logic. There was no substance, no actual caring to look into what our society aka government does to perpuate this. White people have no problem blaming the government for their problems but as soon as a black person does the same, white people get all defensive. It starts there! What actually made me start looking it up was a video of a cop kicking a black guy in the head. He had ran from the cops (on foot), was finally boxed in, lying on ground with hands stretched out, and a cop ran up and kicked him right in the head. I thought...wait a second, I recall my dad running from the cops when I was a kid, and I do not think he deserved to be kicked in the head for it.
@Graff Fhe jee, I wonder who is the cause of poverty
Her argument is very libertarian. "The government isn't doing it so it isn't happening."
get her opinion on immigration laws and see how "libertarian" she is..
The problem is that her argument is also wrong. The government is STILL doing shit. It hasn't stopped, just does it under different names.
@@sofia.eris.bauhaus I was a libertarian in the days where if you weren't for open borders, you were a pariah in the movement.
That's not even remotely libertarian, it's just plain stupid.
@@kass5000 You obviously didn't pay attention to the video. Black men get much longer & harsher sentences for the same crimes, are less likely to be released/paroled, and are more likely to be convicted *even if they're innocent.* They also get assaulted or shot by police much more often, and sometimes for something as simple as walking through a white neighbourhood while black.
I wish I had 1 tenth of the confidence of someone denying an entire group of people's lived experiences when they dont belong to that group.
Viewing yourself as inherently superior to others because of your skin color is an impressive confidence booster
I hate it in general when people say "You're not oppressed" as it seems to me like they are deliberately ignoring people's issues. Great video.
I'm sure every POC saw her video and said "Oh, you know what? I had never thought of it that way, but you're right! Thanks for letting me know"
Or something like: "Oh.I'm not oppressed after even though a cop questions me every time I go outside."
Corey Herrick No bullshit I watched it and just cried
Squid Empress
Because that's how they're referencing themselves instead of saying "non-white".
BY THE WAY, PoC doesn't mean Black people.
Squid Empress "Coloured" has a bad history.
Green Wave 2018 if you think it doesn't make a difference if you say PoC or coloured, why did you feel the need to comment?
Every time Roaming Millennial gets schooled, an angel gets its wings.
@Pencil Head nice job strawmanning.
@Pencil Head Sorry the comment is gone. I was going to explain to you how it was a strawman but I can't because the original comment is gone.
:Bayonetta intensifies:
It's one angel, the same angel, every time. It has so many wings, and I sadly cannot remember the webcartoonist I am ripping off
"For oppression to be happening, black people would need to be incarcerated unjustly" - absolutely not true. Every single black person sent to be prison could be 100% guilty and the system could still be unjust.
Shaun dances around this point but doesn't quite say it outright: even with equal laws on the books, how laws are *enforced* makes all difference in the world. What rate cops arrest or even record people of different races they catch committing crimes, whether they go to trial, whether they're found guilty, etc. And some of those things we have little to no way of ascertaining (how do we know which people cops are just not bothering to arrest?).
If a cop is ten times more likely to arrest someone black for smoking weed than someone white, all those black people are still guilty, but the system is still massively unfair.
that argument is not based and red pilled therefore your opinion is invalid
pretty much - positive discrimination towards white people can and will lead to the oppression of black people.
Yeah, it's as if people expect the law to simply enforce itself.
Her saying that black people are more likely to commit crimes because they’re black, is her saying that they’re inferior. Assuming she thinks crimes are bad, at least. And her thinking any one race is inferior to another is literally the definition of racism. But it’s ok she said she’s not a racist
I love how people just say 'aha but the dictionary says this' like it disproves any argument
Yeah, but only when it's convenient, of course. If you point out to them, for example, that socialism just means worker control over the means of production and has nothing to do with social democracy or the welfare state, suddenly the very same dictionary definition isn't the end all be all... or liberal fake news or something.
In this case, the dictionary completely refuted her.
Oh god me too. Literally every feminist does this. I agree, highly irritating.
Like... even the dictionaries don't think they're the be-all and end-all, especially when it comes to technical terms such as "dysphoria" and politically-loaded terms like "justice" or "oppression."
I mean, for crying out loud! The western tradition of philosophy began when Socrates started questioning commonly-accepted definitions of loaded words.
Kind of like how feminists point to the dictionary definition of feminism to save themselves from accusations of being shitty people, yet completely toss out the definitions of sexism and racism to suit their "power plus privilege" horse shit.
... She... doesn't... even consider the reverse case -- that black people are more likely to be convicted and imprisoned for crimes they did commit than a white person, which is still unjust, as it *still* means that the law is not being applied equally, just a different way. (Incidentally, statistics say, yes. Statistically, they also tend to get harsher sentences for the same crime.) I'm guessing Shaun will get to that, but it's just... so blatantly selective and bizarre I had to comment on it.
She wasn't wrong. Watch I,Hypocrite's response to this video.
Ĥ є ჯ є Ņ I mean, unless they can magically overturn the preponderance of evidence and statistics, as shown in the video in their video, possibly with the aid of some sort of racist wizard, she was wrong, sorry.
They can.
... I found it, and it's an hour-long video of someone so utterly bewildering they somehow bring "God of the Gaps" into the discussion. Could you at least summarize, or point me to the parts that are useful, instead of plugging infamous doxxers and rambling about irrelevant philosophical concepts that are definitely totes relevant because... *Crickets.* Because... I literally don't have the attention span to sit through a full hour of a low-rent, somehow even more pseudo-intellectual Sargon. (ADHD: Sometimes it does me a favor) If you have a transcript, that'd actually be easier for me?
To be clear: That video is responding to *evidence it disagrees with* with a race-based version of the concept of God of the Gaps -- the idea that an absence of evidence is proof of the alternative position. That's... just... wrong. Like, hilarious misuse of the concept. (Also, it fails to consider that there's a significant difference on the level of "extraordinary claims" between suggesting that racial disparities with no other clear explanation are due to racism, versus suggesting that a lack of scientific evidence on something is proof that God exists. One is reasonable inductive reasoning that can be later proven or disproven. The other is unfalsifiable magical thinking.)
It's also worth considering that even crime statistics collected in good faith are counting how many people are pursued by the police, caught, charged, *and* convicted of crimes. We cannot count how many people *commit* crimes w/o omniscience. So the numbers we have are still possibly tainted by bias in which crimes are investigated, which people are stopped, which people are actually charged, and which ones get convicted by juries or are most vulnerable to the pressures to plead guilty.
If the US actually went after corporate crime, the prisons would look very differently
Roaming Millennial: "Despite making up 13% of the population--"
Shaun: "let me stop you right there"
I'm at the beginning, and I can already tell she mixes up De Jure and De Facto. That is, laws on the books aren't laws as they are used.
ArninoStorm my thought exactly!
It's a pretty common misconception, I find. It goes hand in hand with the illusion that the world is fundamentally fair: the idea that only criminals get convicted, that the police are all doing their job well (not that there aren't good policeman, but rather ignoring systemic problems), etc.
It's really hard to break that illusion.
They always do that fallacy.
Thank you for explaining this! It's something I innately felt but didn't have words for, without law experience.
It goes beyond "the world is fair" is pretty much world is abstract which always match reason, "the world is what th world is" kinda thing, I think that is why they aso against feminism(aside for rampant misoginy of course), feminism is based a lot on experience which cant be bottle in some abstract definition and call it a day.
I hate it that people think when the desegregation laws got passed in the US that magically people stopped being racist the day after. Even still, desegregating everything took years and years to actually accomplish since people were so ugly about wanting to keep things the way they were.
Amerikkka is not desegregated anymore than people of colour are free of oppression. Name a city that doesn't have a mostly-Black low-income area and a virtually-Whites-only enclave for the richest. I'll wait.
"Even still, desegregating everything took years and years to actually accomplish since people were so ugly about wanting to keep things the way they were.
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Desegregation is something that unfortunately never actually took place. It started, but was then stopped before it really had a chance to get going. There's a lot of good work being done right now by academics showing how segregated our society still is, and how a lot of this comes down to privileged people fighting any attempt at integration in schools. In fact, contrary to what a lot of people might assume, self-identifying "liberals" in wealthy areas are often the ones barring the doors. It's easy to be "not racist" when you're talking about how other people should behave, but when it comes down to allowing more black people in your own kid's school, for instance, it turns out many people will drop their ideals in a heartbeat.
It's really sad, and really troubling to find out that you're still living in a segregated, racist country. I think what's happening now with the rise of the alt-right and "anti-SJW's" is a lot of people are waking up to this, but they can't accept it, so they're reaching for whatever ideology will let them ignore the issue and go back to pretending that all of that injustice was in the past and not something they can help to change.
Yup. Hell, there were still businesses in the South that openly refused to serve black people as recently as the 80s. There are still some places in backwoods towns (a couple in Pennsylvania & Arkansas come to mind, even though PA is in the north) that won't serve interracial families.
People also seem to think that when the civil rights act was passed then the effects of generations of systemic oppression magically disappeared.
Racism will probably always be with from the idiot right & idiot left. Perfection isn't going to happen so get to work improving yourself.
She kind of skipped over all the economic disparities & disadvantages inherit in the criminal justice system that could be interpreted as oppressive. The whole poverty to prison pipeline that exists for a reason. Bail, affording a lawyer, ability to pay fines, etc.
The Digital Soapbox Network had a podcast episode with Krayzie Bone explaining a deal that was made in the late 80s/early 90s between private prison owners and record label execs that would provide clientele in exchange for kick backs. And look at the state of mainstream hip hop. Hmm...
Imagine playing monopoly and for the first 400 rounds you have to give everything you earn to your opponent which makes them rich gives them property. Then, for the next 50 rounds they say you are free and you can keep what you earn but any time you get too far ahead they get to burn all your money and take your properties. Then your opponent says they will finally play the game fairly... but your opponent owns everything. The only way to play fairly is to start giving some of it back. Then the opponent's millennial daughter gets on TH-cam and rolls her eyes and says "Everything is fair now and you kept going to jail...stop saying everyone is cheating"
Again with the "but Asians are even smarter than whites!" Weeaboo white supremacists are completely fascinating to me. Maybe anime really is the key to everything.
Limey Lassen What's funny is that the supposed math skills are really just memorization and extreme drilling of certain mathematical skills which usually have very little to do with other important mathematical skills(like logically thinking a response to a mathematical question instead of calculating like a machine)
Oh an if you're going to say I'm racist I spent half and half of my childhood in both Korea and America and was exposed to both systems/saw enough people to actually make a sound judgement on the "mad math skillz" that we're supposed to have so...
Limey, Helen
Your comments relate to something I've noticed about the "Asians are smarter than whites" crowd:
They stereotype Asians as smart... but in reality they are referring ONLY to people who are from East Asian countries with strong economies ---that is, Japan, Korea, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan... you get it. They never stereotype people from the Middle East, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. as "smarter than whites."
Not long ago (I'm in my late twenties) all I heard was people mocking the Chinese because they had many children, were mostly poor and manufactured low-quality products. Now they are the "new rich" and suddenly brilliant.
My husband (who is white) told me: "The arrogance! It's like... you are doing well and now we have to admit you are _sort of_ not inferior to whites."
Maria Mort Eseentially... yeah... the myth of Asian genetic superioroty over whited in (insert X field) is tiresome at this point
hey would you look at that its almost like race has almost nothing to do with any of it
+Limey Lassen Given that Japanese characters tend to be white as rice in anime, you may well be on to something there.
Swear to god im getting so sick of this biological predeterminism view, stop reducing humans through such a simplistic perspective.
The funny thing is that I'm pretty much a biological determinist; the problem is that the far right doesn't know the first thing about biology and how it works.
When did she say anything about biology dipshit?
Conservatives: "it’s the left that constantly judges people based on the color of their skin"
Also conservatives: "I guess what my argument boils down is that the only thing explaining the high arrests of black people is the fact that black people are inherently more criminal than white people, must be something about them having a different skin color"
@@AdrianCelsiusTepes Except I didn't say it's because of their skin color, nice strawman.
Jake Edwards okay so let’s see what other factors are commonly used to explain crime: poor neighborhood -> crime opportunities, poor education, inability to achieve one’s goals -> strain, job opportunities, perceived injustice by the system, drug use, brain development (ever heard of lead exposure?) -> low self control, no stake in conformity, family structure, family dynamic, poor school, harsh treatment by the justice system as a youth, to that we can add the labeling theory in general, etc, etc...
Now that’s when it becomes interesting: black people score generally lower in all of those than white people and systemic racism has an impact on all of those.
But if systemic racism doesn’t exist, what exactly explains the difference? The problem is that conservatives will constantly dismiss any social factor that can be traced back to racism (and every one of those factors can, so they will dismiss them all).
Now, once you’ve dismissed all of them, what factor remains?
That’s right: biology: since (apparently, in conservatopia), black people and white people are treated in the exact same way and racism isn’t a thing anymore, there must be something in their "blackness" or in our "whiteness" that explains it.
Even if you don’t want to recognize it, that’s where the "racism doesn’t exist and can’t explain the difference between black people and white people in those factors" leads to.
Now, to be clear, I don’t think that you think that black people are genetically more criminal than white people, I’m saying that, by constantly moving the goalposts every time systemic racism is used as an explanation, that’s where your argument will lead to.
I like that she has her SAT study books positioned in frame.
"I study these every day. I'm really smart you guys."
This aged finely like a wine
yeah, but police brutality towards black people isn't really a new discovery. Unless of course, you are a "I'm not a racist BUT" kind of guy
@@StunSeed98 or you're a sheltered person who doesn't really know about this.
@@StunSeed98 not you but in general
Thank you white lady for telling me I'm delusional about my oppression. I feel so much better now.
JacksonKBH White passing half asian.
I disagree with her too, but she's biracial. She seems to like to mention this when it's useful to her arguments. "The alt-right isn't racist, they're nice to me!"
she totally passes for white
RM can pass for white, the OP's original point stands.
k d nah, she passes as white
Yeah, these are all good critiques. What is suspicious is that RM shows such a clear understanding of history and tries to make points about how impacts of history affected certain groups, but purposefully ignores the sociohistorical impacts on Black folks in the western world. Institutionalized & societal racism and slavery is acknowledged, but RM mysteriously doesn't factor those into the modern situation at all (present enduring poverty and police harassment). And the poor attempt to compare the completely different situation of Asians in the western world (no largescale slave trade and slave laws/codes specifically for Asians for 4 centuries in the West) is so intellectually dishonest...
Almost seems intentional, like you said.
Rhaxma How does acknowledging past oppression that we're still seeing the after effects of now, mean she has to secretly think there's still oppression now? The effects of it sure.
People in poverty are in poverty whatever the colour of their skin though, it's not like white poor people have it better than black poor people. They face the same challenges etc so how are people being oppressed based on race right now? Rather than historically.
Cause nobody is arguing the historical, we'd just like to hear how that means it's still on-going when we clearly can't see it. In fact, black poor families get more opportunities don't they? On account of affirmative action? So, where's the institutional oppression today in western culture?
"In fact, black poor families get more opportunities don't they? On account of affirmative action? So, where's the institutional oppression today in western culture?"
To said people are in poverty because they are is kind of silly, sure but the way in interact is diferent, black people as seen as lazy, undeserved anything else and violent , while most white poor people dont receive that kind of problem from other, or still trust some biollnare to fix the coal mining issue(take a hint: is not going to be fixed)
The alt lite makes mad patreon bucks off of neonazis and dumb manbabies.
Maybe watch the video again, Shaun adresses that point.
Sheechiibii Fox There have been several studies done on how poverty is a determination for criminal activity and not race. One of the biggest problems that every one of those studies had was that they couldn't find predominantly white areas that were as poor as the predominantly black areas thanks to systems put in place such as redlining and section 8 discrimination. Both of which still exist today.
I always love it when the argument is “But racism is illegal bro”
"Statisics would indicate the latter? Eh, well, we'll see."
Incoming smackdown.
Another point to counter the really disgusting “Asian model minority” myth is that Asians are quite obviously, not a monolith. You can clearly see in economic data that, for example, while Japanese or Indian immigrants might be doing quite well in the US, there are other Asian groups like Cambodians or Burmese, many of whom are refugees, that have much higher rates of poverty.
It’s pretty clear why that’s the case. In addition to the selection bias that Shaun referenced wherein immigrants from very distant countries tend to be more well off (because of the resources required to make the move), some Asian countries like the aforementioned India or Japan or China have robust, quality education systems. Obviously, immigrants from those countries will fare better economically and otherwise than those from more impoverished countries.
Using the model minority myth to dismiss the oppression of others is not only blatantly racist, but it erases the challenges that other Asian immigrants face.
piguyerrific there is indeed an important cultural factor in the success of some Asian Americans and people forget that (doesn't mean other groups are automatically free of oppression ofc)
It’s so racists can put down other minorities while they can be “not racist”
This. We have to remember that the range of incomes for "Asian households" is larger than that of "white households" and that a greater proportion of Asians are below the poverty line than whites, according to 2015 data.
If Asians are so good for the economy, why wouldn't we bring people from the Middle East to our countries? I mean, they are Asian too.... Oh, are you telling me racists suddenly care about the details and nuances?
Good point about the ''Asians as not a monolith''. The same is true for people of European ancestry.
Racism ended in 1965, didn't you know that??
Ikr dumbass liberals
terrorism ended in 2009 dont you know that !?
You're insane. It ended with slavery.
What happened to the good old days of the founding fathers where everyone was white and brown people were killed and pillaged freely?.. Still happens? Bah, fake news.
Institutional rascism did, yes.
gjaddajg Too bad the vast, vast majority of positions in power are white
A lot of these people are White Nationalist sympathizers, but some of them are people from a Calvinist background. It has been drilled into them since childhood that poverty is a sign of moral depravity, even though that's not what Calvinism teaches, strictly speaking.
Plus their whole repugnant Elect and Dammed idea that'll you are born either good or bad.
I'll go both of you one better. I condemn all three Abrahamic religions as hateful and anti-human, because they teach that humankind is "fallen". That is the most repugnant concept that I have ever heard.
@@SuperTonyony why? don't we see evidence of that every.single. day?
@@Line... there is no evidence humanity was magically better and more moral at some point in the past, no.
@@spinecho609 I don't know that I would word it like that today (being one year older and wiser), but I didn't claim the world was better before. We may be fallen, but then we were always fallen.
You literally have to spoon feed this to her. I hope she listens to you, but unfortunately ppl like her tend to just shut you out before you can explain.
It might have something to do with the spoon feeding part. When you say spoon feed you're telling them they're inferior in some way. Specifically that they're a baby. That they know nothing, etc. Part of their resistance is indeed to this form of dominance that you're trying to exert over them.
And yeah this is a two-way street to be honest.
There comes a point where play time should be put aside so that the people can 'improve the playground', though.
@@EveryTimeV2 To be fair, people like her are ACTING like babies. (Or more accurately, entitled & spoiled children.)
EveryTimeV2 You kinda missed the context of the sentence. It is hyperbolically implying everything else has been tried and nothing works.
ahahahah "slavery is over therefore there's no oppression" is she seventeen
Sure seems so.
I thought this was a cuphead let's play channel, I've been bamboozled
Sly Goat Omedetou and oyasumi, goat-chan. Welcome to Skull and politics.
This is high level japanese cuphead play
She is so close to getting it. The cause of crime is poverty + culture. The cause of poverty is...
Marc Ferguson EXACTLY I facepalmed when I read that she is almost self aware. Not to mention the culture she mentions is a culture of oppression lol
What is the cause?
@@bluman6793 If you'd ask her, she'd say lazyness.
@@bluman6793 The cause of poverty is discrimination, of course.
I can't believe that my reaction to this episode was, "Wow, she's a lot more rational than most of these types of people." Goes to show how irrational the entire alt right is when even this girl who knows nothing about racism sounds almost sane compared to them because she said poverty was a driving force of crime and not race.
A low fucking bar, that's for sure.
So I’m not the only one? Like, even though her dictionary citations were misleading, before she started the “more black people commit crimes” tangent she sounded almost reasonable. It makes me wonder how many get suckered into alt-right propaganda because of this.
"But let's get back to Reality..." lol that is one place I don't think she has ever roamed to.
She wouldn't know reality if it served her a Cease & Desist order.
yeah I was more on RMs side before I realized why people got arrested, how long they got sent to prison for, red lining districts, etc...the more I learn the more I think "shiiiiiit....more things are fucked up then I believed."
more things currently and recently.
No, things are more or less exactly as fucked up in Amerikkka as they ever were. Don't believe the hype.
thats not a mistake.. and there is so much more.. look up #TheGame and my name and look...
God bless
A lot of my friends who buy this "racism is over now" garbage are sheltered college kids who haven't yet been exposed to life in lower-class, more oppressive environments. Academia, to a certain extent, is an ivory tower, but it's easy to face away from the views of the worst parts of society.
upscale privilege that is...
this why the most educated human on the planet is the black female ...and most likely not to populate... is the black female because she outsmarts herself
A lot of rural uneducated white people believe this as well, and i consistently get the pleasure of trying to educate them where i am from. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
I'M NOT A RACIST, BUT-
Yeah, honey, you just stop right there. Ugh.
"I'M NOT A RADICAL FEMINIST, BUT-"
Yeah, honey, you just stop right there. Ugh.
@@EveryTimeV2 Girl who hurt you?
Yes, you are. You're a racist butt.
Also another reason Asians are seen as a “model minority” was because after WW2 we needed an ally in Asia and Japan was it. So we began holding up the previously interned Japanese-Americans as the coolest people ever.
You're saying it has nothing to do with their success?
Which i hate btw, japan was immediately excused for its arguably worse than nazi germany crimes while germany was split in 2 intil 91
@@Helperbot-2000 exactly and precisely.
i wish that the japanese gov owns up to it
the japanese citizens aren't necessarily at fault, but from what i've heard they choose to ignore or gloss over the brutally terrifying parts of their colonial history around early 20th century.
As a first generation asian-american thank you for articulately explaining the Asian-American model minority statistics. So glad there are people like you out there spreading correct information. You give me hope for society.
It's funny to me how people keep referring to dictionary definitions as "THE definition", like it's the only possible and true definition of a word or concept.
Yup. Well put
A-are you suggesting other definitions...exist???? BLASPHEMY!! /sarcasm
I kind of understand why people do this. Maybe it's because I'm autistic, but for a while, I had a difficult time thinking of a word with multiple definitions. Especially if I were used to one particular definition. As one example, I had a difficult time thinking of systematic sexism and overt sexism aren't contradictory to each other; they're both sexism, just different facets. BUT, I still don't get why so many of them ONLY use dictionary definitions as if its the only one. I mean, if you go to dictionary.com and Merriam-Webster on the same word you might get different definitions.
For fun and curiosity's sake, I did a quick look at oppression on both. But they were a bit too similar. One I did find with a difference though was "suffer." Most of it were similar enough, but there was one major difference between the two: dictionary.com included "to tolerate or allow" and Merriam-Webster had "to allow especially by reason of indifference." Those two imply the idea of the "tolerate or allow" definition differently. The sentence examples hold the same factor, they are respectively: "I do not suffer fools gladly" and "the eagle suffers little birds to sing - Shakespeare." The former is pretty cut and dry and the original saying likely used suffer for humor or irony purposes. Whereas Shakespeare's quote is used to imply the intolerable nature of this allowance.
Really my major problem with using dictionary definitions are despite my analyzing of these dictionaries, they are the bare basic definitions. They are there as a reference to give a person an idea of what a word means. People give words meaning, not words in of themselves. Take for example Internet lingo. Before the age of the Internet, words and phrases like social media, blog, and vlog didn't exist. Now they are a part of our lexicon. This is the same reason why I don't understand those who retort "SJWs can't just make up identities!! They have to have meaning!!" Well, yeah those identities DO have meaning. The order of the term's creation is thought of wrong by these anti-SJWs. The meaning of the term has been existence as long as there have been people, it's only recently a commonly used term has come up. Blogs existed before there was a word for it. Fanfiction existed before there was a word for it. Something has to exist before a term can be attached to it.
Racism: a starchy plant tuber that is one of the most important food crops, cooked and eaten as a vegetable.
GuitarLOVE6437 hat's off to you man. Very well put. You must've had a very particular experience with all the nuance there is in the world these days, yet you get it better than most peeps i know. Props to you! 👊🏾
What is there left then? Why is literally everything unstable and subject to change. I hate it. No side can ever be right.
You know what happened when Lincoln freed the slaves? Many were tortured and lynched and kept in servitude. But they're free right?!?
who came here after George Floyd?
6:05 Shaun's tummy growing weary of Shaun having to disprove the same arguments constantly
holy shit how did you hear that haha
i noticed that in editing but left it in to see if anyone else would spot it :P
Hahaaa I had to put me ear at the speaker.
Aww DATS cute
That was adorable :3
Roaming Millennial doesn't seem like the kind of person who checks on history of peoples to explain the current situations. Otherwise she couldn't make such inaccurate rhetorical statements like this.
gjaddajg actually as proved In the video it's not
SIWs (social injustice warriorsaka anti-SJWs) aren't exactly known for their use of facts, empirical data, or, y'know, being in touch with reality.
@@reptoidrenaissance Examples?
"Do you understand?" I actually physically nodded. I feel dumb.
Can't stop binging your vids
I'll also point out the "Asians are doing fine" line is a lie. It's grossly different based on which kind of Asian you are (Phillipino vs. Japanese vs. Indonesian vs. Chinese etc.).
Yeah, lumping all the Asians in together was pretty racist to start with. Who'd have thought?
Let's talk about very complicated racial issues. Now I know a lot about this because I can use a dictionary, and also I am caucasi
I looked up some statistics on Google images, so I'm practically an expert
They all do it too. Where did these people learn to argue?
LOL, "I'm so oppressed, people think before they meet me that since I am half-asian, that I must be smart or something"
Wait, color of your skin have no influence on the strenght of your arguments. So why does it matter that she is white?
Justin Mack So your point is that if someone believes something false then it's alright so long as the lie benefits someone else? That's a pretty shaky relationship with the truth.
Shaun, you're ruining things for the poor racists by bringing up irrelevant stuff like, y'know, history and society and material reality, etc.
Yeah right? How dare he make sense!
I like how she just barely dodges saying 'they are not oppressed because oppression means undeserved cruelty and discrimination and they obviously deserve it'. Magnificent
Gotta love the argument that assumes the criminal justice system is fair and just. Which it fucking isn't.
Racial oppression is illegal in the United States, so it doesn't happen. Murder's illegal in the US as well, so it doesn't happen either but if anyone tried then they would be caught before they harmed anyone since murder is illegal meaning it doesn't happen.
Ninjat126 To add, a defenition of a word changes and adapts to current trends, not vice versa.
Ninjat126
Uhhhh, the whole "illegal" argument was to prove that there is no systematic oppression of minorities!
Mr Otaku The reason why they made it illegal in the first place was because it existed.
KillMeWithPotato
It existed back then.
I T D O E S N ' T E X I S T N O W.
Like homosexuals don't exist in Iran cuz they are not allowed to.
Literally less than two minutes into the video and we're already looking at dictionary definitions and the argument that "the law is not racist". I'm tired of how formulaic and predictable anti-sjws are
It wasn't even a dictionary. It's a screenshot from Google.
I've been watching/rewatching Shaun videos lately and I've noticed something about the white racists who like to hang around and rebut shaun's videos (without watching them, naturally) and I've boiled down all of their responses to this simple phrase:
"Nuh-uh!!"
😂
Racists: "Laws are the only way to stop racism"
Civil Rights Activists: (petitions for more laws against racism)
Racists: "You already have laws protecting you! It's not my fault they're not working!"
the data about longer prison sentences is something I haven't noticed nor thought of before. thanks
Yes...people who commit more crime go to prison for longer periods of time. Weird, isn't it?
FitnessByMatt
Weirder when other people who also commit "more crime" but are sort of pale manager to get shorter sentences than those other people who commit "more crime" but are sort of brown.
Then explain Asians...why are White police officers arresting Asians less than they arrest White people.
OH, and here's a better one - how come BLACK POLICE OFFICERS are arresting Black people just as often as White police officers? Look at Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans...WHY are they arresting Black people just as often? Are the Black police officers racist?
FitnessByMatt define "black people"
FitnessByMatt
However much asians are arrested or sentenced to prison doesn't determine anything about how racist white people like yourself see black people. You seem to imply hating black people means you have to hate asians just as much. Uh no, you can have your preconceived racist ideas about each group separately. And you've decided to place the idea of criminality on black people. Which is exactly the kind of thinking that would lead you to arrest black people more for crimes, and ignore asians for whatever crimes they might commit but that you ignore for.
And on your question of black police officers supposedly arresting black people just as much as white cops, well if they're all sent into black neighborhoods that's going to play a part. But specifically arresting just as much black people as the white cops could have to do with their own racial views. Where they also accept that white people might be less criminal and pursue them less than they would a black person in the same situation. Looking at something like unjustified stops could clear things up. How many black people are they stopping without good reason and how many white people are they stopping in the same way? Also are they from the neighborhood. All of these things matters. You can't use black cops working within a racist system as some kind of proof that there's no racism. Black people were given whips to whip other slaves weren't they? Guess slavery had nothing to do with race then
sick of seeing "youtube rationalist" keep using the dictionary to define the WORD and not define the CONCEPT. Great video once again and links of the sources 👍
english, do you speak it?
You know why that is, because if everyone went by the concept it could mean 100 different things to a hundred different people.
OntheFront
I agree with using the dictionary on racism. If the the definition fits into the reality of what racism is that is. And this one makes sense to me. The issue is these people think they can somehow apply it to black people even though most black people don't have a belief in racial superiority or a racial philosophy like the majority of white society.
The concept is just the definition of a word. If a word doesnt explain what u mean, use another word
The problem with dictionary definitions is they're just about what's used colloquially and not definitions used by professionals.
Take something like the word "work" for instance. Ask a dictionary what it means, it will likely give you the definition of "Work is an activity done in order to generate income. See also: employment."
Ask a physicist? They'll say "Work done is equal to the force exerted on an object multiplied by the distance it's moved."
If you use the first definition, it's not going to answer shit if you're asking shitty questions like "How much work is generated by Shaun carrying a 10 pound sack of potatoes to his car?" which is exactly what Roaming Millennial does.
What got me was when she said that America is a meritocracy. Ha! Hardly.
Giggle. Nope, it's an oligarchy (money = power)
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Yes, America is an oligarchy, but money = power is a dynamic which stretches from Capitalism to Socialism, it's just that in both they're applied differently.
@@rickrolld1367 Yep! Even in nominally "communist" states, what we've mostly seen is a few frankly psychopathic power-seekers rising to the top and then abrogating ridiculous amounts of wealth and privilege to themselves and their cronies... 😢 Seems like it's a really difficult tendency to eradicate!
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Well you seem to have no sense of how money operates under socialism.
this video is 4 years old, went to her channel and she's fully embraced her bigotry, how sad
Gotta love the Asian American meme even thou the majority of Asian Americans came after the civil rights era so how you can compare the experience of African American to Asian Americans is beyond me
Did you actually watch the end of the video?
What part of what he says are you taking issue with? His point seems to be that they're not comparable because of what you said.
It's the whole "model minority" thing. People on roaming's side love trotting that out because they are incapable of nuance when it comes to people of color being oppressed. They're more than capable of it when it comes to defending racists or racist government policy...
TH-cam has gon through a very....interesting change man.
CaptainRidley Did. You. Even. Watch the video?
Asian americans who've been here before the civil rights era were hung like all the other minorities in the US. In fact the descendants of Chinese who've been here for generations are more poor and less educated then their black american counterparts. They get extra fucked over in some aspects because people point to the sons of chinese billionaires and say, "Yeah Chinese do way better the whites, we shouldn't help them at all."
A lot of people have been shit on by racists americans and nobody does shit for asains, nobody does shit for the natives, and nobody does shit especially for modern day black americans either. Hell it would be nice if we could at least issue a formal apology for all the people we fucked over.
I seriously doubt she will give this an honest response. Most likely she'll pull an armored skeptic and double down on her BS. After all she has a financial interest in being wrong about this.
Wait, why does Ben Shapiro look and sound like a 20-year-old woman here?
this hits hard in 2020
you are such a treasure.
Please search Ben shapiro
Mexie you're a treasure too 🌟
+Cool gelato? 🙏😚
+A Acks Don't try to infect other people with your Ben Shapiro alt-right shit
@master mark To be fair, Ben Shapiro has divested from the alt-right. He had to leave Breitbart after being harassed by Nazis, lol. He's still trash, but he's not THEIR trash.
notice the dislike ratio now compared to then
we proud of u son xoxox
You call this an echo chamber? What do you call a right wing safe space where everyone is spouting off their shitty opinions and selecting bits and pieces of studies to prove their bullshit?
Now, you assume that we don't watch right wing youtubers, which implies you think we are ignorant and underneath you. Or you're making broad generalizations against an audience you don't interact with on a regular basis, assuming the worst of a majority rather than examining the content of its characters. Additionally, this videos arguments are backed by trustworthy and traditionally accurate sources. I wonder where your information comes from, as it would be nice to know your philosophy before I criticize you further.
Read the actual studies provided in the video and you'd have your answers. Shaun linked them for exactly that reason.
Here's a short summary because I'm sure you aren't actually going to read them: past criminality was accounted for in the studies Shaun referenced, and this was also mentioned directly by Shaun in this very fucking video so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. And no, there is no "wiggle room" on the absolute fact that African Americans receive, unjustly, longer sentences than white Americans. The Study On the Continuing Impact of United States v. Booker On Federal Sentencing presents its methodology starting on page 51, and part of that methodology is to correct for by-district abnormalities in sentencing, meaning your "urban vs. rural" idea has already been debunked by the study. Which you'd know if you had bothered to read it. Believe it or not but the statisticians working on this shit are intelligent people who know how to correct for variables.
Stop trying to justify your racism. Either acknowledge it and revel in being a piece of shit, or become a better person. (please do the latter)
BoozinforaBruzin Black people aren't simps, but we sure as fuck appreciate people of any race being friendly and not shutting down issues with black people rather than actually providing constructive criticism.
If you can just spout numbers without explaining how a change can be made your opinion is worthless.
BoozinforaBruzin No, because he's explaining the reasons why he believes these things are happening multiple times throughout the video. Nice try though.
I love the "if you follow", "that can be alittle irksome", "stay with me now", "we'll see if we can make some conclusions". Although you acknowledge that your voice is monotone and you cover "boring" subjects, it's these types of comments that make me laugh, and keep me easily entertained. Even though I do have slight bias being actually interested in your subject matter.
You're fighting the good fight bro.
She lost me when she started with a dictionary definition of a word.
Tl;dr's impact
Roaming "White Nationalists deserve a platform too cuz muh free speech" Millennial
Once again ma boi Shaun, a self professed mathematically inept person, demonstrates a better understanding of statistics than any of these right wing youtubers 👌
He may be bad at math, but he's still better at it than Carl.
You don't know them all, do You? ;) I think Independent Man is pretty good with statistics.
And Shaun isn't god either. I'm new to this channel, I enjoy, but I spotted few errors with his logic, one in a direct interpretation of a study.
Care to elaborate?
Joshua Pimm Except for when he said The only metric we have for measuring black crime rate is through the justice system. Well boyo, that would be flat out wrong. The Bureau of Justice Statistics actually collects reports from victims and blacks are actually arrested in lower proportion than they are described as a suspect by victims and eyewitnesses. LOL
"Oppression is *dictionary definition that doesn't mention laws at all*"
*waffles on about laws*
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Oh, God. I see my past self in Roaming Millennial so much here. It's actually kind of embarrassing to watch because I would make the exact same points as her before. I know this is an old video so I'm hoping that she has grown too.
Same here, and I feel sad and embarrassed looking back on it. I'm just glad I grew out of it and became a better person.
I guess what would be key for me would be how she reacted to having her opinions challenged...? Anybody can be ignorant/uninformed/misunderstand an issue, but resenting finding out the facts is a sign of something more problematic? (I.e. that what you are putting forward isn't an opinion based on what you think are facts, instead a prejudice you'll cling to regardless of the facts... because that protects your ego 😔)