The bobbleheads who agree with Stefan don't know history or understand context or care about facts. They just want someone to reinforce their belief that they, being hetero white males, are the ones being persecuted & that every movie that doesn't make them the invincible hero above everyone else is some left-wing conspiracy to indoctrinate viewers w/ feminist ideology.
Yeah, if he wants to do something good for men's rights; he should become a human rights lawyer and protest the use of conscription in the countries that still use it today. And support movements in third world nations that seek to protect children from being abducted and indoctrinated by militia regimes. That being said, I don't know how child soldiers would possibly benefit from this guy, who has the argumentative nature of a lawyer but who'd also probably get pissed off because of the big statue of blind lady justice on the courthouse, and he'd start ranting about how it's disabled, feminist virtue signaling without ever entering the building.
It's hilarious to me that he is so appalled by Diana having "random superpowers" as if that hasn't happened in a million films w male protags. It's only bad when women do it, apparently
Saibellus That reminds me of how in “Smallville”, Clark’s heat vision activated when he was horny. I wish I was making this up, but that show was weird.
God I love how “Internet conservatives” (Such as Stefan) always complain about Liberals being sensitive and then complain about Supergirl in their Pasta can
What's bad is since he and others like him are clearly pseudo-intellectuals, who can be more insidious because so many suckers get hooked on a professional grifter that uses big words. Complaining about Supergirl on the 2 dollar can of pasta pretty much says everything you need to know about him lol
I can't believe he actually thinks that. Nearly every character has treated Wonder Woman as someone in their late twenties or early thirties. Oh, and she's also a few hundred years old. Well, its unsurprising, considering that he barely gets half of the plot points of the movie wrong.
I can’t help but think that it has something to do with people like Stefan only able to imagine beauty in “””””late teenage girls”””” (read: barely legal)
Anything: *includes woman* Stefan: “WHATS WITH THIS SJW VIRTUE SIGNALLING?!” Of all the hills to die on, getting mad at strong female characters is a *choice*
Another thing, action heroines were already a thing in what many consider "more masculine" times. Take Conan the barbarian in the 80s, the fantasy film featuring a muscle bound and aggressive Arnold Schwarzenegger in his youth. Even in that film, he had a woman who fought alongside him and was respected. And that is just one example. Many 80s action films featured heroines. So why are many acting as if this is new?
@@Zeverinsen On the opposite end, one thing I have been hearing is that "masculine" action heroes would not be accepted in today's movies. Like, I have been seeing aome comments under videos about the classic predator film where they say that manly men such as the characters in said film would not be accepted in today's media. When I mentioned some films that I find to be masculine such as MCU heroes like cap, I was told that they are not manly. I am confused. Why wouldn't the predator characters be accepted today? I don't see any misogynistic traits (the closest they get is making sex jokes (which people still do today and is normal for military to joke in tense situations) and being aggressive towards the one woman (who was aligned with the enemy guerillas. Once they realize that the titular creature is after them, they work together with her to take down the bigger threat)). And why aren't any mcu heroes considered masculine? Cap is a positive depiction of the American man (brave, kind, humble, smart, willing to stand against tyranny and unlawful acts, willing to go against the government to do what he thinks is right, fights through incredible odds no matter how hopeless the situation is, etc.). Iron man uses his intellect to invent technology to fight against enemies and is a very charming man. Just what gives?
@Glenna Smith While I won't debate about whether or not mcu heroes are marty stus (even though they all suffer character flaws that bring conflicts (even positive traits can cause conflicts)), my point is that I still see many action heroes who possess traditional masculine traits such as bravery, strength, leadership, and other things. Films aside, I still see western products that feature "manly" protagonists. One of many people's favs is Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption 2, who has a rugged exterior and is an outlaw (even has a deep voice) but can be charming and is certainly brave for his gang. Even when dying, if you play honorably, he does whatever he can to help others with his remaining time. My point is that I don't understand this whole "masculinity is dying" when art still showcases manly men. About Xena, yes, I know she is a woman. But I am talking about character traits and qquestioning why certain traits are associated with certain genders rather than simply human traits in general. My apologies if my comment is worded weirdly.
@Glenna Smith I do agree that many heroes are written boring and that it would be better if more heroes would have limitations or flaws (physical or mental) that test their characters more fiercely. That said, I still see modern works that depict struggling heroes (be it film, tv, anime, games, literature, etc.).
"Cliche Number 2: Women are great warriors" I love how Stefan states this as if the idea of the Amazons is some new evil feminist propoganda concept rather than the fact that it was part of Ancient Greek mythology, you know, the Ancient Greeks, who were pretty damn sexist, the same Greeks who had Zeus and his love of turning into animals and people to trick women into having sex with him. Of course Wonder Woman's Amazons are a bit different from the Ancient Greek's version, but the concept is still the same: A group of entirely women who are obsessed with war, terrifyingly good in combat, and daughters of a god (Ares the god of war in ancient greek mythology). Then again we shouldn't really be surprised about Stefan forgetting ancient mythology when he gets so upset over some female superheroes on pasta of all things.
JenModding what i love the most about his “cliches” is that they really aren’t; for something to be cliche it has to be used a lot, and i don’t know many movies where women are great warriors, there aren’t even many movies about women that aren’t romances, so women being great warrior, by definition, cannot be cliche
Speaking of which, Steffen and other right wing extremist will push the narrative of western culture. (Which funnily enough, always includes greek or roman mythology.) These creeps aren't interested in arguments. Their interested in selling the idea of white supremancy and imprinting these ideas on the youth. It's quite litterally childhood indoctrination for children online.
Evidence points (not definitively by the way) to Viking Shieldmaidens being historical fact rather than fiction... Wonder what Stephen would think of those girls? Or the female samurai? Joan of Arc? Many Anglo-Saxon leaders?
Bold of you to assume Stefan is familiar with the Greco-Roman myths. I doubt he’s even read the cliff notes of The Odyssey by Homer. It has too many big words for him.
@Gerr Gerring yeah, it definitely did. We should solve it by destigmatizing having women in the workplace and encourage men to help more with raising children. Seems like the traditional family structure isn’t so great and those evil feminists might be on to something.
@@bleepbloopbloop-h5y people like him never stop to consider than helping women will end up helping men. They always bring up the bias in family courts without realizing that that bias only exists because our society expects women to be the homemakers. You know, that thing feminists are literally trying to stop. But no, we should hate feminists because like 10 of them yelled at men or something. It’s really fun to watch how anti-feminists’ arguments completely fall apart when confronted with facts.
Wtf Silence of the Lambs makes no sense. Anthony Hopkins isn't even a cannibalistic serial killer in real life. How am I supposed to enjoy the movie when Anthony Hopkins isn't actually a serial killer?
That is where you are wrong,Hopkins goes full method. You really think it's just coincidence their was an uptick in overweight female murders in his hometown the months for Silence was filming.
I'm going to do something that is a waste of time and attempt to address the strongest version of Molyneux's argument. Let's assume that what he is saying is that the point is to show a woman being stronger than men as a symbolic way to empower and excite feminists that just want to see that illustrated on screen. I think that meta-narrative discussion is reasonable and that some feminists did get excited merely by seeing the training sequences on the island. So let's give him way more credit than he deserves and assume that is what he meant. First of all, that's a really dumb thing to be upset about. Second, that means he just doesn't understand superhero stories. We always see superheroes do what normal people can't in a way that gives us hope and catharsis. Giving a character super powers isn't an excuse to let them get away with things that aren't realistic. It's the actual medium. You don't watch Thor and think "it's totally a cop out to let Thor beat an entire army with a hammer" because we have to accept that as part of the internal universe of the story. Some film critics don't like superhero films in general because their powers become sort of a deus ex machina way to fix the problem. But that only happens if the story itself is poorly constructed. Wonder Woman beating up groups of men with weapons may provide some feminist catharsis but it provides no more catharsis than any other superhero fight scene. We can all tell what's really going on. He just doesn't like the idea of a girl getting to be included in the superhero world as being on the same level as the male superheroes. Singling Wonder Woman out for the the types of criticism he makes here demonstrates a pretty obvious intent.
@@zacg_ I like this assessment of SM's mind, and severe lack of cultural knowledge and the geeksphere... while he attempts to, you know, *shape what thousands of shut-in folks perceive to be real.*
After seeing that tweet about the pasta can I'm not sure Stefan knows what feminism, virtue signalling, or women are. He may not even understand what pasta is.
How does Stefan function around women? Seriously, I'm not being funny, how does he talk/act around women when he seemingly can't handled them in any other context except being "lower" than him?
Eh, a lot of guys are just as bad as Molyneux -- he just happens to make youtube videos about his bizarre views. You probably wouldn't notice him in public (unless you happened to be a woman and got in a conversation with him on anything more contentious than the weather, of course).
No no women have a pretty good 6th sense for men like him. Sometimes I can tell just by the way a man looks at me. Weird vibe...there's a lot behind that stare. Woman haters with twisted inner thoughts ARE common, it's scary to consider. And we do.
The funny thing is, Male Disposability in fiction is a real thing, but it's not some new feminist plot. It is a long standing cliche propagated by men. Unless someone's gender is specifically chosen, that person is male. So all the faceless mooks the hero kills? Men. All the red shirts on the good team that die to show the situation is grim? Men. The Hero's trophy love interest (who will probably survive)? It's a girl. And the reason this works, the reason male is the default, is because the writers are predominantly male.
Also applies to real life in the circumstances of war, things like conscription. Again though; had nothing to do with women, all of the military officers and world leaders behind wars were men.
@@basedbattledroid3507 I was under the impression that the idea of males being disposable is a kind of symptom of ~ToXiC MaScUlInItY~ in culture is currently the dominant one in sensible circles (i was going to say left but that would be disingenuous). Boys get taught not to value their emotional states, get taught to take pain and to face death 'like a man' and thereby, devalue themselves, and the media trope just mimics that thinking.
Well yes most of these movies are written by men but I am not sure if it would be that different if women wrote those. Men are the ones who go to war and die, which has been burned into our thinking about masculinity throughout our history. There are also reasons why men are normally the ones going to war and why females tend to stay and do jobs like making sure the weapons supply is rolling in factories etc. It's not a gendered issue. It's not propaganda. Most, big movie writers try to express their own thoughts on certain aspectd on the world in their movies, lile how many wars don't even make sense or how broken a system is. If we see movies where hundreds of men are killed on a battlefield, then it's because the author understands that it reflects reality. There are women in the military today, which is great if they want to do that, but there are still far more men serving than women. That's the thing about male disposability. Sure it sucks to be a man in that topic, but biologically speaking it's kinda our purpose. Not to die for no reason, but rather fight and protect for our community.
@@phyrinx3740 I'm sorry but it definitely is a gendered issue, and here's why; generally the biological justification for men going to war comes from three places: either men are stronger and more durable, men are more aggressive or men aren't as important for breeding. the trouble with the first one is that, if it is generally true of male *populations* its not always true in individual cases, and even more importantly it doesn't actually matter.while there are weapons that can benefit from being wielded by a stronger wielder, they are close quarters weapons and they haven't decided a battle since the advent of the rifle. modern weapons only require the strength to lift them, the stamina to endure the kick (neither of which are much as children can do it, sadly) and training to aim, after that its point and click. if you're a drone operator that point and click might be literal, and this will just continue unless somebody invents a Dune-style everything-but-slow-moving-blades proof force-field. As for aggression, women are quite capable of lethal aggression and have shown they can do so in military circumstances already from ancient times. In addition, to some eyes, even if we accept the idea of men being more aggressive there are views of war that suggest that would be a *bad* trait in your soldiers. Frank Herbert, the writer of Dune (i love those books, don't judge) suggested in them that armies of men are actually worse because they are predatory and will turn on the people they are meant to protect, while women are not and therefore wont when the war is over (Incidentally i don't believe this XD), but its pretty clear to me that these ideas come from different ideas about gender. FInally, the idea that men are less important for breeding. This is, technically, true; men are basically gamete production factories. one man can have babies by many women, if you don't mind a genetic bottleneck. I don't think this is a good principal to organise anything around, let alone a military or society. some might be inclined to say that facts don't care about your feelings, but the truth is that reducing it this far strips the value from the bravery of soldiers choosing to defend their communities, and devalues men, women and all humans. I don't personally believe that war should be fought exclusively by men, or even mostly (id prefer it not be fought at all, but we're not a peaceful species and this is not a peaceful universe) and i don't find any objective truth in the claim that men are biologically more disposable or more violent in any way that matters, or at least matters any more. in that sense, this is *very* much an issue of gender perception.
@@incompletemachine877 I'm sorry that my answer will be quite short but I am quite busy right now. I totally agree woth many of your points, but what my overall point was simply that due to that being the motive for thousands of years, it has become "normal" for our society to view men as the ones who should go to war. Nowadays we are really just fighting with technology and abilities and not strenght and durability, even thought tactic and strategy will probably stay the most important thing forever. The entire argument has to be split into two categories: Modern warfare and ancient warfare, where close combat was very important. It also comes down to offense and defense. What america does nowadays is obviously offense against nations which can't form an army and attack back. Therefore the training of soldiers can take much longer because there is no fast resupply needed. Here it makes no difference if it's a woman or a man going to fight, because over such a long period both can get on the same level. If a rapid supply of force is needed on the other hand, nations start doing other things. Training becomes more intense in a short period of time, and because men in general are stronger than women, it would take a woman longer to reach the same goal. Like in WW1 and WW2 where the training could last not even 2 weeks and during that time soldiers had to learn hard stuff. A woman would not have been able to do this. Sure, when you talk about individuals and not big crowds, then might be right. But you have to take both into consideration. If I wanted that shit, I could go to PragerU where Dennis Prager will tell me that no matter how strong a woman is, men will ALWAYS be stronger. I think it's hard to discuss this topic for a movie which played at this time because it required physical strenght and just the ability to use a rifle/machiene. Maybe I am just talking shit here, but the aspect of biology/evolution has affected strongly our world and the way we form militaries. With modern tools this becomes kinda obsolete but at the same time not.
Did he really lose his shit over a can of Chef Boyardee? And he's from the same group of people who say "libtards will find anything to be offended by, but me I'm rational. I accept debates...unless you disagree with anything I say." I can't help but laugh at this astounding hypocrisy. Inb4 people yell "ViRtUe SiGnAlLiNg." LMAO
Its ironic that he is talking about female disposability. How many stories in movies, shows and games, rely on a woman dying or being in mortal danger to give a man a reason to do something. lol
That's actually a major part of the worldview? Take super mario bros. Mario is willing to go through a perilous journey just in order to save one woman. The fact that we put so many women but very few men in this position is because the authors know for a fact that we'll care more about the womans life than the man's. If a story gets more developed, such as by the time Luigi's mansion came out, the male character might have "earned the right" to be cared about enough to save. You can still argue that this is still sexist against women, but that's not mutually exclusive to the trope being sexist against men. And you can still argue against the validity of this, but I expect you to understand something before you try to debunk it. If you want to learn more, you could read the myth of male power, which argues more in depth about the extent of this gender role and why it matters. Tl;dr: the fact that a women's life is seen as the stake is direct proof that we care about women's lives, even from a sexist perspective. The fact that men die to get there shows mens lives as means to an end, intentionally or not.
@@laurafrakinroslin the problem with that logic is the assumption that it can't be both anti-man and anti-women Edit: when I typed anti-man my phone auto corrected it to anti-human, but when I typed anti-women it actually autocompleted. So that's kind of weird.
@@digaddog6099 That's certainly an interpretation. And as we know all interpretations are valid. Now that that is covered let me share my point of view. This trope has a vast amount of differences that it can present of course. But I'm going to talk about generalizations, or what is considered most common. Okay, in this trope it is usually a female appearing person that acts as a prize, or the "stakes" you mentioned. This person has to be saved, by a usually male appearing character. And what I often see is that this person beings saved is powerless. She is weak, frail, naive, and so very scared. This is not her choice to be in this situation, and she most often times has very little agency. Now why do you think this character is usually played by a female character? I certainly don't understand why. Women can be very strong and have their own agency. But in these types of stories, they are forced into corners by their creator. Now with this, "men are disposable and not as important," thing. I personally don't see this at all. In these types of stories the male protagonist does it because they WANT TO. They often have a choice between what is considered good and bad. They are not forced into corners. And if they are, the writer comes up with, "they are strong and powerful and break free from this peril!" Sort of thing. If my friend really wanted to go fight a dragon I would warn them, but I would not stop them. And that is because I care about their agency. And absolutely not because I think they are "more disposable." What you are talking about is a very small sub-category of stories where the protagonist does not have a choice. And you aren't considering that in these stores woman are frequently seen as weak, eye candy, that can't choose for themselves. And the men CAN choose for themselves, and are always strong and heroic. There are of course exceptions that you can mention, like Eragon (the book). Men are not more expendable because they can choose for themselves. And in fact, men are usually chosen for this specific protagonist role because the entire world saw men as more capable. And men are typically more comfortable writing men. Now you may say, "well woman wrote to!" Not really. They weren't really allowed to. You know this, I shouldn't have to write a history lesson in order for you to know that (but I will if you prompt me). So that's where I come from. You should read a feminist book on the subject next to balance out your pallet. Not trying to tell you your interpretation is wrong, in fact I may agree with you in some very specific instances. It's just multiple POVs are better then one.
The way he says "cliché" is honestly very smug and annoying, I doubt I could sit through a full review. And yeah, none of these "Cleeshayz" are even Clichés. He ironically described some of the least Clichéd things you could see in a modern superhero blockbuster movie. I think of clichés like Deadpool's Superhero landing or The Incredibles' Monologing or The Avengers' group pan shot, or the McGuffins like the infinity stones or the mother boxes or the allspark, and the phrases like "the world needs us" or "we need to work together". A Woman having screentime does not constitute a Cliché.
he doesn't even know that the reason there were so many male deaths in the movie was because it was fucking set in World War 1, a war that was participated by males, and instead thinks its feminine propaganda
@@carsonreddick3452 could not agree more! I've mentioned it in another one of these videos in fact! I am Norwegian myself, I love history, I love learning about actual life, both mundane and extraordinary, from old norse society. Runes have been used with such versatility, to the point where one can discover grafitti, crude jokes and slander carved in runes! You're also right that it might be too late, considering how the Germans allready used them in WW2. A lefty friend of mine got a rune tattoo on his wrist in his early 20s. Part of the impulse was desire to reclaim, however, I doub't be would have done it nowadays, as he has more to lose doing these kinds of "stunts"
I think i most love the line "She magically does...." as a sarcastic point that her power aren't explained but thats literally why she has them. She is magic
Over the course of the video I went from "did he even watch the movie?" To, "has he ever seen A movie." And yet, this Molyneux putz is held up as an intellectual.
razieldumas I think the real question is "Does Molyneux even understand how cinema works?" Because his idiotic points in this video make me wonder if he even understands the basics of making a movie. Also, Molyneux doesn’t know what a cliche is either.
Right? His confusion with Steve Trevor's character arc shows that he knows nothing about hero's tales. Often, the hero dies in a demonstration of self-sacrifice, because that's what heroes do. Like, does Obi Wan Kenobi's death signify 'male desposability' whatever the fuck that means?
razieldumas And it's not as if it's exclusively men who are killed off often. The "women in refrigerators" trope exists for a reason. Though if he even knows about that trope I doubt he cares because it's only an outrage when it happens to men, apparently.
I would add that he seems weirdly ignorant of the forms and tropes of "super-hero" and "comic-book" fiction from which this movie draws it's inspiration. One gets the impression that he's not only never seen a movie before, but that comic books, novels, or any other form of narrative storytelling have somehow eluded him his entire life. And then he saw a movie, and decided to apply "criticism" using his creepy, warped, malevolent worldview as an "intellectual" basis for said criticism.
Clearly "women in refrigerators" is a feminazi conspiracy to stifle creative men, but killing off one male protagonist is part of a dangerous trend to treat male characters as disposable. /s
It's an offshoot of the Mary Sue, portraying women as great fighters is a hell of a lot less common than portraying men doing it though and Stefan doesn't seem to take issue with that.
@@hoagielamp6543 It's really "women are great fighters" is something that is being shown in movies more over the last 5-10 years which causes a lot of impotent weak males to realize how impotent and weak they really which gives them rage boners which confuses them and causes them to lash out.
@@boiyado6717 For that matter, "Creed" essentially said the same thing by implying that something being pushed to the top by Gootube's search algorithm = "well done". Seriously, did you even fucking read the comments before you vomited out a response?
Look, Stephan gets angry because of anything because it hurts his masculinity And he is also disgusting So you are right and you aren't a snowflake But you have a nice snow hair
Honestly, the fact that any story featuring a woman as one of the main characters is "feminist" to these dudebros is so telling. To someone like Molyneux, the distant *idea* of women telling their own stories is insidious and subversive. Also, "disposable male theory" is such a weird thing for red-pill types to advocate. You know who sees men as disposable? Other men. That's what the alpha/beta dichotomy is all about, disenfranchising other men as a means of reclaiming traditional masculinity.
*"Also, "disposable male theory" is such a weird thing for red-pill types to advocate"* Not really. The fact that men are routinely sent to war to die, among other things, is evidence of male disposablility. *"You know who sees men as disposable? Other men"* This is quite accurate. Women also see men as disposable and gladly take part in it. *"That's what the alpha/beta dichotomy is all about, disenfranchising other men as a means of reclaiming traditional masculinity."* No, that has nothing to do with "disposable male theory".
hislord1 “No, that as nothing to do with the ‘disposable male theory’.” Just a heads up, this isn’t very compelling. It’s not even an argument, really. You should probably explain why you think that instead of simply asserting that the opposite is true.
I can't believe that guy calls himself a philosopher, when he can't even understand a blockbuster film aimed at mass audience, based on a comic book, which initially was made for kids.
I can't hear his voice without wanting to smash my head against a wall. Even worse is that thousands of retards follow him around like he's the chosen one
Ignoring the disposable Amazons who died in the first battle, if they had added more disposable females to WWI battles, all hell would have broken loose, as crying man babies screamed about it being historically inaccurate to have females on the front lines.
The Huxley Agnostic Molyneux would be a 100% on top of that narrative. I can already hear it, “ah, the feminists are now erasing men’s sacrifices in WWI,” like dude, is everything a feminist plot?
The Huxley Agnostic Don’t forget when Leon Trotsky in the Russian Revolution said: “Our female soldiers were greater fighters than any male one could imagine!”
I get the strong impression that Stefan Molyneux feels as if all these critiques he presents are pure gold. It seems to me like every pause he leaves in his videos is him trying to allow the struggling viewer to digest the information that he believes just left the viewer in absolute awe, almost as if he believes he is intellectually saving the audience. Really just comes off to me as a holier-than-thou prick.
The Cynical Cypher thanks for pointing out exactly what was pissing me off in his attitude... Every time he paused for effect with that smarmy smile on his face I felt my blood pressure shoot up another notch... On the one hand he fucking disgusts me with his virulent hatred for women, on the other I kind of pity him, he believes he's so smart and superior when from a sane perspective he looks and sounds like a brainwashed raving madman...
Yes, I noticed that. He thinks every single line he says is so intelligent and meanwhile I'm over here Scratching my head wondering how someone can be this stupid.
Cynical Justin Imagine viewing everything from that fragile snowflake lens. And these are the types of “strong alpha chads” that criticize others for being “SJW snowflakes”. I really do pity this guy for being such a narrow-minded, ignorant moron who views everything as an attack on his gender.
Robert Cornhole its funny cause he ignored actual cliches to make up his own... I mean fish out of water and the cliche cackling villains etc. But no a paradise run by woman being a paradise that's a cliche
the "male disposability" thing is a real thing, not in this movie, but in general... but feminism tends to agree that it's a problem. It normalizes that men should be stoic unemotional warriors instead of, you know, human beings with depth and emotion. Stefan is so annoying lol. He gets one very small detail right and then drowns it in rightist propaganda, completely defeating his own point.
Yeah, sometimes these "alt right" talking heads approach real issues, they just sell bogus solutions. Just like when they agree that a small minority owns and controls most of society, but they blame jews and others instead of the socio economical model that makes it likely.
Stefan doesn't really seem like he's trying to actually talk about some of the issues men can face but more he's trying to talk about how much he hates women
Stefan's so-called "arguments" basically boil down to one thing -- if your movie has a heroic female lead, then it's feminist propaganda and therefore it sucks. For him, merely looking at the film's poster should've been enough to convince him that it's "awful." While I had a couple of issues with some of the writing and visual aspects of the film, I felt that the movie went to great lengths to avoid dumbing down any of its male characters, while also doing its best to present Diana as the powerful, smart and independent heroine she is. Honestly, Chris Pine's Steve Trevor was as heroic as he could be given that he's not even the film's lead. Also, heroic sacrifice has been in movies and literature since forever. Is William Wallace in Braveheart also "disposable"?
He already went into this movie with that conviction. There is no way he's gonna watch such a movie with an open mind. So yea, that poster was probably enough for him to judge.
Oh, but see: William Wallace in Braveheart was the Alpha Lead™ Defender of Western Civilization™ of the whole movie. Unlike this Overpowered™ Mary Sue™ created for Feminazi Postmodernmarxist Propaganda™.
Thing is, the "male disposability" trope isn't entirely wrong. Take the _Iliad,_ where armies of male warriors slaughter each other over a woman. But Stefan and his ilk get it backwards in saying this is all the work of "feminism" somehow, instead of a feature of patriarchal rule where young men are expected to die defending the wealth (and women) of old men.
Let me get in on this. -virtue signaling -feminism -exposition -dialogue -words -concepts -things Here, it's going to be easier to list the things he does understand. And done. That was easy.
Honestly, the most disturbing part of this video is Stefan's blatant hero worshiping of Stanley Kowalski, the antagonist of A Streetcar Named Desire who is a wife abuser and rapist
Isn't his biggest role model the woman who worshipped a child murderer who kidnapped, killed and then dismembered a little girl as a beautiful ubermensch?
The fact that Shaun can reasonably respond to all these point is amazing. Every time I saw a clip from Stefan all I could think was “literally what the fuck are you talking about you lunatic”
Same. Like... it genuinely feels like he didn't watch the movie at ALL, and he's just lying through his teeth. Like, ffs there's no way you can't figure out that Wonder Woman and the Amazons ARE NOT HUMAN! lmao 😆
I am continously surprised by Shaun's patience and calmness in these videos. 90% of the times, I just want to say some variance of "do you have even one working braincell in that head?"
Don’t worry, I’m sure he’d counter with something like “movie directors are saying that women are entirely responsible for anything good from a male character (rather than permitting the male character to be strong in their own right)”
He was almost close with the “woman in the fridge” trope. Because it’s definitely a thing (think the very first episode of Supernatural, and Braveheart), but feminists tend not to like it very much.
It is so amazing that he has the gall to criticize a movie taking place during World War I for showcasing mostly male soldiers dying. Because he totally wouldn't be throwing a huge temper tantrum while frothing from the mouth if this movie showed any female soldiers. He'd probably be screeching about historical revisionism (even though female soldiers did exist). Like, what does he even want? You can't win with people like him, they are utterly desperate to be seen as the oppressed group while demonizing other actual historically oppressed groups.
I don't understand why he says Wonder Woman having super powers is wrong and unrealistic. Does he understand what a SUPER HERO is? Does he complain about Peter Parker being a scrawny kid mean he shouldn't be able to lift cars? I legitimately can't understand this mindset.
Anal fabrics uh yes Spider-Man can lift cars, there’s the all infamous scene of him holding up the foundation of a building which comes to mind, the way cap leaves him holding up a trailer (I think it was a trailer) in civil war, and when he holds a fairy together in homecoming. Just a few examples off he top of my head of him doing more than lifting cars
"It's an interesting approach to art criticism, I guess. Convince yourself of something truly mad, and then when you don't see any evidence of it, that proves the existence of the insidious conspiracy to cover it up." Holy shit I gotta try this
I notice how you completely ignored the plight of East Timor. Nice stealth racism there, buddy. Go back to your pyramid with an eye at the top, lizard man!
The whole theme of "male disposability" is one of Stefan's and his crowd's most hypocritical arguments, since they spend an inordinate amount of effort trying to convince everyone that women are unfit for fighting, and then turn around to blame feminism for a trope that exists because women are believed to be better kept away from fighting.
vaiyt I mean, in general, these people are very hawkish, very pro war, so the idea of them being repelled by the disposability of (male) human life at all is pretty laughable
@@ragoxdr6384 It's because they don't like to die for their country; they like the FANTASY of dying for their country. They'll keep talking about how much they're willing to die for freedom until they actually have to deal with war.
@@artistradio This, these guys generally are the type of assholes whom act like they would be the military hero of the hour while in reality they would be either too chickenshit to join the military, be discharged for disorderly conduct, or be one of the asshole soldiers that commit war crimes.
Right Wingers: Women historically haven't and shouldn't be allowed to fight in wars Also Right Wingers: The fact that 98% of military deaths are men is proof of a matriarchal conspiracy to destroy men
Did he just pull a quote from A Streetcar Named Desire, spoken by a character that goes on to rape the character he's talking about later in the story, and use it to justify his own methods of thinking? That's telling.
Do you think secretly my he's actually saterizing such clueless entitled men? Cause I was just stomped. It was like watching a scene from the office when he said that. He's either a buffoon or a comedy genius. Lol
With Enough Prep Time TheNerdMan Ngl, if Molymeme actually pulls of an Andy Kaufman bow declaring his persona as just one big punk, I’d call him the greatest troll in human history lol
Note that the creator of Wonder Woman did intend for Paradise Island (Themyscira as a name didn't exist yet) to be a paradise because it was a society of women. Because Marston thought women were superior. And in the more "definitive" WW origin story by George Pérez, it was the Greek goddesses who created the island and gave Diana her power (plus Hermes in the latter case). Your point still stands, though: the movie stripped the female influences in both cases and replaced them with Zeus, a male god, as the primary source of the island and Diana's powers. The comic Amazons were also the historic/mythological Amazons, who got enslaved by Heracles and freed themselves from male oppression, which is replaced by "created by Zeus fully grown". The not-aging was part of Themyscira's powers, not the Amazons themselves, and more Amazons were created by (again) female goddesses from the reborn souls of women who were victims of misogynistic violence. tl;dr: the de-feminist-ized version still triggers Stefan. I'm interested in what Stefan thinks Lesbos was like, though. Because…Lesbos wasn't an all-women island full of lesbians. We get the term "lesbian" from Lesbos because it was Sappho's home. There was *one* famous lesbian (or possibly bi woman) on the island. That's it. Also you have to ask why Stefan is angry that Wonder Woman…gets superpowers. In a superhero movie. Or the fact that she's not aware that she's attractive? It's not even the point; it's that she doesn't care because she lives in a society that didn't teach her that her looks were the only valuable part of her. PS: Patty Jenkins stated Diana was about 800 years in the movie. It's not part of the text so the canonicity is dubious but, since you brought it up, there you go. PPS: Is it me or is Stefan's idea of criticism to point out "clichés" like they somehow condemn the movie? What is this, CinemaSins on steroids?
@@chinclucker Yeah, "All-woman society is a paradise" is not a cliche. However, I assume Stefan would consider the injunction to use words with their correct meaning to be some kind of far-left attack on free speech.
Um actually it’s mythology not history! And I’m I fucking dipshit asshole who likes correcting people on the internet for inconceivably small mistakes.
Dino Flagellate the issue is more that he has made his brand all upon the idea that he is an extremely knowledgeable history buff and uses his “knowledge” of history to “prove” his point. Also mythologies as a study are entirely historical unless it is directly involving people who currently practice it. The relationships between gods in Greek and Roman mythology is extensively documented and (at least involving Major gods) widely known by anyone studying the people of that time. My comment was directly targeting the brand he has created for himself. Not “correcting a minor mistake.”
@@darlalathan6143 Bruh forget that, I'd lose in an arm-wrestling match with my girlfriend and she just goes to the gym on occasion. Stefan seems convinced that like, men vs women is akin to Hercules vs the local librarian.
It's such a weird way of thinking, too. Like, do these guys see a bigger guy at the gym and think to themselves, "Maybe I don't deserve the right to vote. Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to own property or work outside the home. That guy could totally beat me at arm wrestling -- I guess he should make all my decisions for me and I'll just live under his stairs knitting socks for him." Lol.
I like how when a man fights someone 3 times his size with little to no training, it's perfectly acceptable. But if a woman does it, it's horrible. Also, I find it kind of funny how an incel is going on about beta males
Yeah, why aren't these guys more contemptuous of when Indiana Jones goes up against that hulking Nazi in a fist fight? How ridiculous that he would even think of fighting someone 2-3 times his size and winning. That guy is taller and has far more muscle mass than Indy! Preposterous.
I don't know what you're talking about. In every story ever made the dragon always wins. The idea of a much smaller knight defeating such a mighty beast could only possibly be pro-human propaganda.
Most guys like this have been crushed by a womanly figure in their lives, and they make it painfully obvious. It's either mommy problems, an ex-lover, or perhaps they were bullied by popular girls during teenhood.
He alludes to child trauma and abuse in many videos. He's still a piece of shit either way, but his story may be a pretty fucking dark one. Definitely comes across as a pretty damaged guy to me. Edit: to clarify, he doesnt refer to abuse HE experienced, just projects it onto culture, as he does in this video actually.
Stefan makes my skin crawl. His skull-like face, his smarmy, joyless smile, his self-conscious head movements, his "playful" condescension...everything just screams cut-rate cult leader.
I know this is really petty (so... Fitting), but his voice. Ugh. His accent takes so many detours you'd think he was Petyr Baelish's incompetent brother.
Yea he definitely was raised by a manipulative carer or his environment was shitty growing up so he had to resort to natural manipulative behaviour to thrive and grow
+ B. R. To be fair? Crowder was born in the US, Gavin McInnes was born in the UK, Stefan Molyneux in Ireland. Jordan Peterson was born in Alberta, basically our south. No clue what Southern's excuse is.
Oh my God that line "Holding women accountable for marrying assholes" That is 100% an incel line. Like, absolutely no argument from me to call him a mega incel
I guess he's married tho? Somehow?? it's so sad, I'm going to complain online about how unfair it is that girls marry people like him instead of nice guys like me.
@@TheThiccestChungusit's just pandering to his audience. A ton of people who profit from accruing an incel fanbase aren't incels themselves. If you're a shady internet grifter looking for a quick buck, it's hard to find a more lucrative market of credulous marks than incels.
@@dukedukeson2158feminism is just campaigning for equal rights Most people are feminist, they just don't actively go out and campaign for something that should be common sense because they don't have the time or know how deep the problems go
The He Man Woman Haters club was not in reference to the cartoon series. It was a club from "Our Gang". Spanky, Alfalfa and all that lot. The club was founded to defend themselves against girls and valentines day. Girls have cooties and ruin everything. Hence portraying Molyneux as a member. It's not nearly as funny when I spell it out though.
@@Dawt_Calm "Our Gang"? That's an odd name for what I've known of for my entire life till now as "the Little Rascals". I'm guessing "Our Gang" is the name of it in another country?
@@aisham2099 damn I hope his daughter is the biggest sjw possible and gives him hell, that's probably why he vents online cause at home nobody wants to hear it😭
I can't tell what points Stephan is trying to make in relation to the movie. He'll play any clip and somehow read it as, "Women are weak, but also threatening."
I love how in most Hollywood/superhero-y movies women generally used to be used as plot devices or just as romantic interests. Wonder Woman kind of flips this around and Chris Pine is used as a plot device, and suddenly it's because the movie is trying to push this agenda that "men are disposable".
I think there is some merit behind the "male disposability" thing (I mean there's a reason we send our sons to war and not our daughters) but Stefan just seems like a sexist a$$hole so he's not really the guy that should talk about it.
Rhea Welsh I don’t even like CS. But at least Cinema Sins is purposely being hyperbolic for a laugh. This guy is literally a parody come to life but without self awareness.
@@someonerandom8552 Most of the things that Cinemasins says are in no way funny, or even an attempt at being funny, so its actual criticism, and it's incorrect.
Max Richards Cinemasins are clearly being hyperbolic, therefore they can still claim to be parody. Being funny is irrelevant. If cinemasins of all channels is considered “real criticism” then criticism is nothing but meaningless drivel. Still, I’d consider Stefan’s incoherent sexist reading of WW far worse than some incorrect info from fucking Cinemasins.
imagine your masculinity being so fragile that it's threatened by the success of a female super hero movie. Or, Hell, the image of a woman on a product. That's Stefan Molyneux in a nutshell
On earth-11 there is a cocky feminist Stefanie that hates the wonder man movie and wishes it talked about the evil abusive fathers of the main villainess.
"Liberals really have nothing better to do than complain about fictional characters!" - Conservatives who have nothing better to do than complain about fictional characters
I can't take this Stefan guy seriously. He's like the guy who repeatedly says slurs to your face pretending to be ironic then acts superior when he finally gets punched in the face.
I'm going to guess that he accuses Anita of being a man-hater sjw who hates all men and brings in male dominance whenever she feels like it, I dunno. but I could guess from both of their vids that I watched for the first time that they are the polar opposites.
Nope, thats exactly what he's doing. None of these tropes have lost their meaning, so they can't be cliches. Molyneux went down the cinemasins path, overusing the word cliche to the point of cliche becoming a cliche.
Any time you distil a story down to its most basic conflict you will inevitably arrive at common themes and tropes. The idea that sibling rivalry is a "cliche" is absurd. This is a story that can be explored in many ways and it continues to ring true across time. If themes and tropes are all cliche then I guess we can't do any kind of hero stories (whether they be superheroes or just traditional heroes) nor can we tell stories of good vs evil. Maybe Molyneux is advocating for morally ambiguous story telling that is nihilistic or relativistic. Oh wait, I have a feeling that's not what he's looking for.
Actually, it sort of is. "Cliche" means any "overused" or "trite" word or phrase in a language. It also means often-repeated characters, settings and plots in fictional movies, TV, video games, etc. "Trope" means the latter.
It often is used that way. However, a "cliche" means "overused, trite figure of speech" or "characters, scenery or plots repeated often in movies, TV, video games, etc." "Trope" means "characters, scenery or plots repeated for symbolic reasons in stories, plays, movies, etc."
Stephan Molyneux just goes into a movie with a pre-determined interpretation and ignores everything in it that contradicts said interpretation. He misrepresents characters, scenes, and plot-points and is always ascribing sinister motives to the creators/authors of the works he criticizes. Molyneux is basically every negative stereotype about online-feminist media criticism, but without the feminism.
Unfortunately, Freud's theories would be just as if not more insane than Stefan's ideas, but it would be interesting as hell to see what he comes up with.
I love the idea of blaming the welfare system for crime when the US has drastically less welfare than the EU and drastically more crime. And also, it doesn't make any sense.
These guys make no attempt to hide the fact that they use 'feminist' & 'woman' synonymously. Wonder Woman isn't a feminist movie. It's like when Fox News claims that all other media is hopelessly liberal.
Knight Chime unionsocialist Wonder Woman is pro-Israeli, pro-Western interventionist propaganda tbh. The villain is a man who uses chemical weapons on civilians while the government that refuses to fight him *cough* Assad *cough*, and the main character comes from a God-given island of peace, which once used to have other inhabitants that are literally written off in one line (they 'moved away' or some shit). She then realizes that she can't save the world but vows to protect only one virtuous country... which for some fucking reason is the British Empire in WWI, one of the most atrocious entities in human history.
Yep. It's like when I come across 'Rekt feminist' videos, and about 80% of the time it just shows a woman doing/saying something they don't like - no mention of whether she is a feminist or not. It's so fucking childish. And the funniest thing is that they think we can't see straight through them. They think they can still act outraged when you call them out for their sexism.
The villain who uses chemical weapons, who is a female, is a pre-existing comic book character named doctor poison. It’s also an actual historical event, as the film takes place in world war 1, where chemical weapons were used. It’s just special chemical weapons because it’s a comic book film. If you have an issue with themyscira, you should take it up with the 2 thousand year old Greek mythology that the film and comics are based on. Feminism didn’t exist back then, so can’t see how it’s a feminist conspiracy. The island also didn’t shave previous inhabitants, the entire island was created by Zeus. It didn’t have any previous inhabitants. The whole point of Wonder Woman is that not all of humanity is inherently good, but it is worth saving the individuals. She fights the Germans because Ares is on the Germans side, and her naive and simplistic world view leads her to try and kill Ares so she can stop all war. Then, once she realises that humans aren’t that simple, she decides not to kill an evil German woman because all humans are worth saving. And then the war ends.
I love how he cites Stanley Kowalski from a Street car named desire as a realistic view on womenhood, while the same character is build up as a metaphor for "toxic masculinity" that later rapes the main female protagonist... I think he got the plot wrong again god dammit
I remember when I was young and a bigot that I thinked that feminist reviews of videogames and movies where very subjective and that they looked so hard to find male oppresion that they missed the point entirely. I am having the exact same feeling about that guy, it is embarasing and I feel ashamed that once I could think something remotly similar. Sry my bad English
Exactly! A divorced dad cooking for his kids on the weekend wouldn't serve canned spaghetti! The caterer for chef boyardee's funeral wouldn't serve canned spaghetti! As an American who is passionately interested in Italian culture (and is also a grandson of an Italian-american), I can say that canning spaghetti is an actual hate crime against Italians!
9:27 to 9:49 He quotes Stanley Kowalski from "A Streetcar Named Desire" as if that character is some wise guru from whom he takes inspiration... A character who is VIOLENT and ABUSIVE towards his wife, and who goes on to RAPE her sister which causes her to have a nervous breakdown and end up in a MENTAL INSTITUTION. AND HE TALKS ABOUT HIM LIKE HES A ROLE MODEL??? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
9:40 there’s also the point that Stefan is referencing Stanley Kowalski, who is A) a fictional character and B) an abuser and rapist as grounds for his point, so his argument is built on a pretty poor basis
Did you know the original writer of Wonder-Woman was evidently involved in a polymorphous relationship with two women and believed if men were a little more submissive and women little more dominant we would live in a paradise of equality and justice. He was also really into bondage and strong woman. *The more you know music plays*
I actually did know that, because when my Mum did her Ph.D; her best friend was doing his studies in comics, really advanced theories and analysis of the themes in comics, although I can't remember any of them, other than the fact the other literature doctorate students submitted their essays in the traditional format while this guy fully wrote and drew and inked and colored and printed his essay in a graphic novel format and handed that in to his professor. Legend. Pretty good read too, I got an early preview, it was inspired by Frank Miller's work, author of Wonder woman's work and his own childhood experience of his dad dying from asbestos poisoning, really freaky shit and I can't get it out of my mind.
I think something that really encapsulates the difference between Shaun and Stefan is the clip of Stefan screaming about evil men and vaginas and Shaun laughing at himself for waving at his microphone at the end
Imagine watching so many movies that have a predominately male cast that you get this mad when a movie has a predominately female cast. I hope no white guys died in Black Panther because Stefan would be so upset.
When he went on about men being shown as evil or incompetent the first thing I thought of was WTF did you not notice Charlie and the Assault into no man’s land. But mostly Charlie, I have PTSD from combat and pretty bad at that, and when I look at Charlie I see massive amounts of character as he knows he is useless in a fight and when Dianna encourages him with only “but who will sing for me” he gets right back in with no hesitation. All he needed was to believe he was not a burden to the team and he was willing to subject his PTSD addled brain to more abuse and no pay. If that’s not being a hero I don’t know what is and Charlie is about as white male as a man could be.
I need that on a T shirt: "Convince yourself of something truly mad and then when you don't see any evidence of it, that proves the existence of the insiduous conspiracy to cover it up."
When Stefan says Sibling rivalry between Ares and Zeus I just went “have you even learned ANYTHING from mythology” Zeus and Ares are FATHER AND SON NOT SIBLINGS! I feel like I’m insulting some people’s intelligence by writing this comment. Sorry if I am. But Jesus Stefan, you’re perfectly willing to butcher the Mythology of a people you claim to admire but you just sound like the bitterest whitest man you cold possibly be. Don’t all his analogies sound like him projecting personal experiences with Women leaving him?
If it sounds like he's "projecting his personal experiences with Women leaving him" it's because he is. All these nationalist-racist-sexist morons talk with admiration about Western Civilization, and Classical Greece and Rome, and all that crap, claiming them as part of their own identity without knowing what the fuck they're talking about. I've found again and again with Greek nationalists for instance that they're among the people who know the least about ancient Greek history. They're so proud of Greek history and language etc, and they usually can't speak or write properly in the language they're so proud of. It's embarrassing to watch really. But then again, all this talk about Western Civilization and all that, is just a thinly veiled code for "white people are the best". But anyone with half a brain can see right through that bullshit.
Not quite my tempo I’m a huge classical myth nerd. And I want to punch a wall every time these goddamn posers praise The Greco-Roman empire as the be all and end all of Western civilisation. Whilst I’m not up on my history, admittedly, I bet I could school these assholes in even the basics of classical mythology.
To be fair to Stefan (typing that made all the hairs on the back of my neck stand up lol) I think he was comparing humanity to the "younger sibling" in his convoluted and pseudo-freudian metaphor, and Zeus to the father of both humanity and Ares, that's the only thing that even vaguely makes sense though.
“Men die anonymously in quick succession.”
It’s a movie set in World War One, that’s kind of the point! That is literally what happened!
Tilda Adade wich is totally not like every action movie ever
It’s not like we remember WWI as one of the most pointless and tragic loses of life in history.
The bobbleheads who agree with Stefan don't know history or understand context or care about facts. They just want someone to reinforce their belief that they, being hetero white males, are the ones being persecuted & that every movie that doesn't make them the invincible hero above everyone else is some left-wing conspiracy to indoctrinate viewers w/ feminist ideology.
Yes! What exactly did Stefan want? The soldiers to go into No Man’s Land and set up a makeshift table for a cup of tea with the enemy?!
Yeah, if he wants to do something good for men's rights; he should become a human rights lawyer and protest the use of conscription in the countries that still use it today. And support movements in third world nations that seek to protect children from being abducted and indoctrinated by militia regimes.
That being said, I don't know how child soldiers would possibly benefit from this guy, who has the argumentative nature of a lawyer but who'd also probably get pissed off because of the big statue of blind lady justice on the courthouse, and he'd start ranting about how it's disabled, feminist virtue signaling without ever entering the building.
It's hilarious to me that he is so appalled by Diana having "random superpowers" as if that hasn't happened in a million films w male protags. It's only bad when women do it, apparently
Duh! Obviously Superman earned his powers with his testosterone and balls.
Yeah, how did Marvel dare to represent super-heroes with super-powers XD
No, man, when superman got so sad he activated laser beam eyes it was actually a very believable and scientifically plausible development.
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That reminds me of how in “Smallville”, Clark’s heat vision activated when he was horny.
I wish I was making this up, but that show was weird.
@@XescoPicas adds a whole new level to gun and run.
I feel like looking at this man's face is taking months off my life for each minute spent looking at it.
But then you hear him talk. And those month become years.
His bald head makes me Benjamin Button
His smugness is like radiation, slowly increasing your chances at contracting cancer with each passing moment.
Hope you gonna have a jab at it too Lindsay !!! Love your channel !
Bluehawk2008+ I can't see the word 'smug' without thinking of Sargon. I think Stefan's a close 2nd.
God I love how “Internet conservatives” (Such as Stefan) always complain about Liberals being sensitive and then complain about Supergirl in their Pasta can
Conservative hypocrisy.
Surp Nurp - he isn’t complaining. He’s manipulating young minds.
@@jgmediting7770 through complaining
What's bad is since he and others like him are clearly pseudo-intellectuals, who can be more insidious because so many suckers get hooked on a professional grifter that uses big words.
Complaining about Supergirl on the 2 dollar can of pasta pretty much says everything you need to know about him lol
What!?!
This is like, the smallest issue, but Molyneaux thinks that gal gadot is playing a “late teenage” girl? Does he know what a teenager looks like?
Wonder 'late teenage' girl is a crappy name
I can't believe he actually thinks that. Nearly every character has treated Wonder Woman as someone in their late twenties or early thirties. Oh, and she's also a few hundred years old. Well, its unsurprising, considering that he barely gets half of the plot points of the movie wrong.
I can’t help but think that it has something to do with people like Stefan only able to imagine beauty in “””””late teenage girls”””” (read: barely legal)
He’s cherrypicking so not regard for reality.
Oh believe me - he knows.
Anything: *includes woman*
Stefan: “WHATS WITH THIS SJW VIRTUE SIGNALLING?!”
Of all the hills to die on, getting mad at strong female characters is a *choice*
Another thing, action heroines were already a thing in what many consider "more masculine" times. Take Conan the barbarian in the 80s, the fantasy film featuring a muscle bound and aggressive Arnold Schwarzenegger in his youth. Even in that film, he had a woman who fought alongside him and was respected. And that is just one example. Many 80s action films featured heroines. So why are many acting as if this is new?
@@cadethumann8605 You tell me... I've been wondering about this for a long time.
Nobody complained about Xena either.
@@Zeverinsen On the opposite end, one thing I have been hearing is that "masculine" action heroes would not be accepted in today's movies. Like, I have been seeing aome comments under videos about the classic predator film where they say that manly men such as the characters in said film would not be accepted in today's media. When I mentioned some films that I find to be masculine such as MCU heroes like cap, I was told that they are not manly. I am confused.
Why wouldn't the predator characters be accepted today? I don't see any misogynistic traits (the closest they get is making sex jokes (which people still do today and is normal for military to joke in tense situations) and being aggressive towards the one woman (who was aligned with the enemy guerillas. Once they realize that the titular creature is after them, they work together with her to take down the bigger threat)).
And why aren't any mcu heroes considered masculine? Cap is a positive depiction of the American man (brave, kind, humble, smart, willing to stand against tyranny and unlawful acts, willing to go against the government to do what he thinks is right, fights through incredible odds no matter how hopeless the situation is, etc.). Iron man uses his intellect to invent technology to fight against enemies and is a very charming man. Just what gives?
@Glenna Smith While I won't debate about whether or not mcu heroes are marty stus (even though they all suffer character flaws that bring conflicts (even positive traits can cause conflicts)), my point is that I still see many action heroes who possess traditional masculine traits such as bravery, strength, leadership, and other things.
Films aside, I still see western products that feature "manly" protagonists. One of many people's favs is Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption 2, who has a rugged exterior and is an outlaw (even has a deep voice) but can be charming and is certainly brave for his gang. Even when dying, if you play honorably, he does whatever he can to help others with his remaining time. My point is that I don't understand this whole "masculinity is dying" when art still showcases manly men.
About Xena, yes, I know she is a woman. But I am talking about character traits and qquestioning why certain traits are associated with certain genders rather than simply human traits in general.
My apologies if my comment is worded weirdly.
@Glenna Smith I do agree that many heroes are written boring and that it would be better if more heroes would have limitations or flaws (physical or mental) that test their characters more fiercely. That said, I still see modern works that depict struggling heroes (be it film, tv, anime, games, literature, etc.).
"Cliche Number 2: Women are great warriors" I love how Stefan states this as if the idea of the Amazons is some new evil feminist propoganda concept rather than the fact that it was part of Ancient Greek mythology, you know, the Ancient Greeks, who were pretty damn sexist, the same Greeks who had Zeus and his love of turning into animals and people to trick women into having sex with him.
Of course Wonder Woman's Amazons are a bit different from the Ancient Greek's version, but the concept is still the same: A group of entirely women who are obsessed with war, terrifyingly good in combat, and daughters of a god (Ares the god of war in ancient greek mythology).
Then again we shouldn't really be surprised about Stefan forgetting ancient mythology when he gets so upset over some female superheroes on pasta of all things.
JenModding what i love the most about his “cliches” is that they really aren’t; for something to be cliche it has to be used a lot, and i don’t know many movies where women are great warriors, there aren’t even many movies about women that aren’t romances, so women being great warrior, by definition, cannot be cliche
Speaking of which, Steffen and other right wing extremist will push the narrative of western culture. (Which funnily enough, always includes greek or roman mythology.)
These creeps aren't interested in arguments. Their interested in selling the idea of white supremancy and imprinting these ideas on the youth. It's quite litterally childhood indoctrination for children online.
Its funny he has problems with the movie but apparently not with the much older comic
Evidence points (not definitively by the way) to Viking Shieldmaidens being historical fact rather than fiction... Wonder what Stephen would think of those girls?
Or the female samurai? Joan of Arc? Many Anglo-Saxon leaders?
Bold of you to assume Stefan is familiar with the Greco-Roman myths.
I doubt he’s even read the cliff notes of The Odyssey by Homer. It has too many big words for him.
"If women are in a thing, it's feminist and bad. The more women, the feminister it is, unless it's a manga." -- Stets Molom
Does Stephan seem like the kind of guy who'd bother to read the manga to you?
@@timothymclean Depends on the type of content left out of the anime ;) jk, he is most likely illiterate
"And when it has a whole lot of feminism, it becomes cultural Marxism" - Statue Mormon
@@timothymclean Yes
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He reveals his sexism directly when he blames mothers for raising violent sons, doesn't even take violent _fathers_ into consideration
Ahhh but they didn't come out of their fathers' EVIL VAGINAS did they?
Hmm
@Gerr Gerring yeah, it definitely did. We should solve it by destigmatizing having women in the workplace and encourage men to help more with raising children. Seems like the traditional family structure isn’t so great and those evil feminists might be on to something.
@@southbayjay2540 I think you might have actually killed him
@@bleepbloopbloop-h5y people like him never stop to consider than helping women will end up helping men. They always bring up the bias in family courts without realizing that that bias only exists because our society expects women to be the homemakers. You know, that thing feminists are literally trying to stop. But no, we should hate feminists because like 10 of them yelled at men or something. It’s really fun to watch how anti-feminists’ arguments completely fall apart when confronted with facts.
Maybe he didn't get all that exposition because he's literally incapable of listening to women.
Zing! 😁
Probably
that sounds plausible
With the way he rants I get the impression he's deeply afraid of women. It's so vitriolic it has to be misdirection.
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Wtf Silence of the Lambs makes no sense. Anthony Hopkins isn't even a cannibalistic serial killer in real life. How am I supposed to enjoy the movie when Anthony Hopkins isn't actually a serial killer?
Purple Technik fucking lying leftist media.. ess ehm ayche
That is where you are wrong,Hopkins goes full method. You really think it's just coincidence their was an uptick in overweight female murders in his hometown the months for Silence was filming.
Harrison Ford wasn't stabbed by his son at all? WTF????
Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife serial killers need work too
Great you killed the immersion and ruined the entire film for me.
Thanks.
"Wonder Woman takes on men 3x her size." Does he really think regular humans are stronger than a literal demigod?
I'm going to do something that is a waste of time and attempt to address the strongest version of Molyneux's argument. Let's assume that what he is saying is that the point is to show a woman being stronger than men as a symbolic way to empower and excite feminists that just want to see that illustrated on screen. I think that meta-narrative discussion is reasonable and that some feminists did get excited merely by seeing the training sequences on the island. So let's give him way more credit than he deserves and assume that is what he meant.
First of all, that's a really dumb thing to be upset about.
Second, that means he just doesn't understand superhero stories. We always see superheroes do what normal people can't in a way that gives us hope and catharsis. Giving a character super powers isn't an excuse to let them get away with things that aren't realistic. It's the actual medium. You don't watch Thor and think "it's totally a cop out to let Thor beat an entire army with a hammer" because we have to accept that as part of the internal universe of the story. Some film critics don't like superhero films in general because their powers become sort of a deus ex machina way to fix the problem. But that only happens if the story itself is poorly constructed.
Wonder Woman beating up groups of men with weapons may provide some feminist catharsis but it provides no more catharsis than any other superhero fight scene. We can all tell what's really going on. He just doesn't like the idea of a girl getting to be included in the superhero world as being on the same level as the male superheroes. Singling Wonder Woman out for the the types of criticism he makes here demonstrates a pretty obvious intent.
@@zacg_ Stephan just hates women. No one would complain about John Wick or Ethan Hunt fighting bigger enemies
i find it so funny that a (wannabe) "smart" and "stereotypically masculine" man doesnt get the concept of superpowers, like seriously wtf😂
@@zacg_ I like this assessment of SM's mind, and severe lack of cultural knowledge and the geeksphere... while he attempts to, you know, *shape what thousands of shut-in folks perceive to be real.*
Only the Demigods with vaginas.
Making it dumber.
After seeing that tweet about the pasta can I'm not sure Stefan knows what feminism, virtue signalling, or women are. He may not even understand what pasta is.
Gnorts Mr Alien They we’re talking about Stefan not Shaun.
He's buying Chef Boyardee. He unequivocally does not know what psta is.
Pasta's that stuff they sell at Home Depot, right?
@@iron1349 there probably is soy in the pasta, or something silly like that. (Silly not referring to soy, just the "effects" of soy)
Underrated comment!!
How does Stefan function around women? Seriously, I'm not being funny, how does he talk/act around women when he seemingly can't handled them in any other context except being "lower" than him?
Apparently he is married and has a daughter... kind of scary to think about to be honest. 😕
Eh, a lot of guys are just as bad as Molyneux -- he just happens to make youtube videos about his bizarre views. You probably wouldn't notice him in public (unless you happened to be a woman and got in a conversation with him on anything more contentious than the weather, of course).
No no women have a pretty good 6th sense for men like him. Sometimes I can tell just by the way a man looks at me. Weird vibe...there's a lot behind that stare. Woman haters with twisted inner thoughts ARE common, it's scary to consider. And we do.
Well, I think it's more of a trait that's built up by social interactions, I can never tell unless he gives a gross look.
That family isn't gonna be stable to the very least
“These feminists get triggered by everything!”
*gets triggered by pasta*
Somebody toucha my spaghett!!
They don't have any self reflection at all do they...
I'd never had to use the term ROFL before. But then I imagined what it would be like to walk around with Molyneux mindset...
If he bought it and threw it out, that’s a boycott, right? OWNING THE SJWs WITH CAPITALISM
@@alisaurus4224 Reminds me of the Nike and Gillette drama.
There are two sexualities: Straight, and political
There are two races: White, and political
There are two sexes: Male, and political
Brutally underrated comment.
So, does that mean, a heterosexual relationship is between a man and a political?
@@Saphia_ a heterosexual relationship?
oh, you mean a man owning property :P
All these closeted politicals
@Stefanos Dimop pretty sure it was intentional
The funny thing is, Male Disposability in fiction is a real thing, but it's not some new feminist plot. It is a long standing cliche propagated by men. Unless someone's gender is specifically chosen, that person is male. So all the faceless mooks the hero kills? Men. All the red shirts on the good team that die to show the situation is grim? Men. The Hero's trophy love interest (who will probably survive)? It's a girl. And the reason this works, the reason male is the default, is because the writers are predominantly male.
Also applies to real life in the circumstances of war, things like conscription. Again though; had nothing to do with women, all of the military officers and world leaders behind wars were men.
@@basedbattledroid3507 I was under the impression that the idea of males being disposable is a kind of symptom of ~ToXiC MaScUlInItY~ in culture is currently the dominant one in sensible circles (i was going to say left but that would be disingenuous). Boys get taught not to value their emotional states, get taught to take pain and to face death 'like a man' and thereby, devalue themselves, and the media trope just mimics that thinking.
Well yes most of these movies are written by men but I am not sure if it would be that different if women wrote those. Men are the ones who go to war and die, which has been burned into our thinking about masculinity throughout our history. There are also reasons why men are normally the ones going to war and why females tend to stay and do jobs like making sure the weapons supply is rolling in factories etc.
It's not a gendered issue. It's not propaganda. Most, big movie writers try to express their own thoughts on certain aspectd on the world in their movies, lile how many wars don't even make sense or how broken a system is. If we see movies where hundreds of men are killed on a battlefield, then it's because the author understands that it reflects reality. There are women in the military today, which is great if they want to do that, but there are still far more men serving than women.
That's the thing about male disposability. Sure it sucks to be a man in that topic, but biologically speaking it's kinda our purpose. Not to die for no reason, but rather fight and protect for our community.
@@phyrinx3740 I'm sorry but it definitely is a gendered issue, and here's why; generally the biological justification for men going to war comes from three places: either men are stronger and more durable, men are more aggressive or men aren't as important for breeding.
the trouble with the first one is that, if it is generally true of male *populations* its not always true in individual cases, and even more importantly it doesn't actually matter.while there are weapons that can benefit from being wielded by a stronger wielder, they are close quarters weapons and they haven't decided a battle since the advent of the rifle. modern weapons only require the strength to lift them, the stamina to endure the kick (neither of which are much as children can do it, sadly) and training to aim, after that its point and click. if you're a drone operator that point and click might be literal, and this will just continue unless somebody invents a Dune-style everything-but-slow-moving-blades proof force-field.
As for aggression, women are quite capable of lethal aggression and have shown they can do so in military circumstances already from ancient times. In addition, to some eyes, even if we accept the idea of men being more aggressive there are views of war that suggest that would be a *bad* trait in your soldiers. Frank Herbert, the writer of Dune (i love those books, don't judge) suggested in them that armies of men are actually worse because they are predatory and will turn on the people they are meant to protect, while women are not and therefore wont when the war is over (Incidentally i don't believe this XD), but its pretty clear to me that these ideas come from different ideas about gender.
FInally, the idea that men are less important for breeding. This is, technically, true; men are basically gamete production factories. one man can have babies by many women, if you don't mind a genetic bottleneck. I don't think this is a good principal to organise anything around, let alone a military or society. some might be inclined to say that facts don't care about your feelings, but the truth is that reducing it this far strips the value from the bravery of soldiers choosing to defend their communities, and devalues men, women and all humans.
I don't personally believe that war should be fought exclusively by men, or even mostly (id prefer it not be fought at all, but we're not a peaceful species and this is not a peaceful universe) and i don't find any objective truth in the claim that men are biologically more disposable or more violent in any way that matters, or at least matters any more. in that sense, this is *very* much an issue of gender perception.
@@incompletemachine877 I'm sorry that my answer will be quite short but I am quite busy right now.
I totally agree woth many of your points, but what my overall point was simply that due to that being the motive for thousands of years, it has become "normal" for our society to view men as the ones who should go to war. Nowadays we are really just fighting with technology and abilities and not strenght and durability, even thought tactic and strategy will probably stay the most important thing forever.
The entire argument has to be split into two categories: Modern warfare and ancient warfare, where close combat was very important. It also comes down to offense and defense. What america does nowadays is obviously offense against nations which can't form an army and attack back. Therefore the training of soldiers can take much longer because there is no fast resupply needed. Here it makes no difference if it's a woman or a man going to fight, because over such a long period both can get on the same level.
If a rapid supply of force is needed on the other hand, nations start doing other things. Training becomes more intense in a short period of time, and because men in general are stronger than women, it would take a woman longer to reach the same goal. Like in WW1 and WW2 where the training could last not even 2 weeks and during that time soldiers had to learn hard stuff. A woman would not have been able to do this.
Sure, when you talk about individuals and not big crowds, then might be right. But you have to take both into consideration. If I wanted that shit, I could go to PragerU where Dennis Prager will tell me that no matter how strong a woman is, men will ALWAYS be stronger.
I think it's hard to discuss this topic for a movie which played at this time because it required physical strenght and just the ability to use a rifle/machiene.
Maybe I am just talking shit here, but the aspect of biology/evolution has affected strongly our world and the way we form militaries. With modern tools this becomes kinda obsolete but at the same time not.
Did he really lose his shit over a can of Chef Boyardee? And he's from the same group of people who say "libtards will find anything to be offended by, but me I'm rational. I accept debates...unless you disagree with anything I say." I can't help but laugh at this astounding hypocrisy. Inb4 people yell "ViRtUe SiGnAlLiNg." LMAO
"She has strange and mysterious powers!"
WOW, IT IS ALMOST AS IF THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT SUPER HEROES!
I want to see Stefan Molyneaux's take on magical girl anime. Which is, of course, a genre built around giving girls "strange and mysterious powers".
Google: "It's right fucking there!!!!"
@timothymclean he would probally have a heart attack watching Madoka Magica 😅, and no even wanna imagine watching Revolutionary Girl Utena .
Its ironic that he is talking about female disposability. How many stories in movies, shows and games, rely on a woman dying or being in mortal danger to give a man a reason to do something. lol
Comics even named the trope, 'woman in refrigerators.'
He hears that trope and then twists himself into knots to make it actually anti-men
That's actually a major part of the worldview? Take super mario bros. Mario is willing to go through a perilous journey just in order to save one woman. The fact that we put so many women but very few men in this position is because the authors know for a fact that we'll care more about the womans life than the man's. If a story gets more developed, such as by the time Luigi's mansion came out, the male character might have "earned the right" to be cared about enough to save.
You can still argue that this is still sexist against women, but that's not mutually exclusive to the trope being sexist against men. And you can still argue against the validity of this, but I expect you to understand something before you try to debunk it. If you want to learn more, you could read the myth of male power, which argues more in depth about the extent of this gender role and why it matters.
Tl;dr: the fact that a women's life is seen as the stake is direct proof that we care about women's lives, even from a sexist perspective. The fact that men die to get there shows mens lives as means to an end, intentionally or not.
@@laurafrakinroslin the problem with that logic is the assumption that it can't be both anti-man and anti-women
Edit: when I typed anti-man my phone auto corrected it to anti-human, but when I typed anti-women it actually autocompleted. So that's kind of weird.
@@digaddog6099 That's certainly an interpretation. And as we know all interpretations are valid.
Now that that is covered let me share my point of view. This trope has a vast amount of differences that it can present of course. But I'm going to talk about generalizations, or what is considered most common. Okay, in this trope it is usually a female appearing person that acts as a prize, or the "stakes" you mentioned. This person has to be saved, by a usually male appearing character. And what I often see is that this person beings saved is powerless. She is weak, frail, naive, and so very scared. This is not her choice to be in this situation, and she most often times has very little agency. Now why do you think this character is usually played by a female character? I certainly don't understand why. Women can be very strong and have their own agency. But in these types of stories, they are forced into corners by their creator.
Now with this, "men are disposable and not as important," thing. I personally don't see this at all. In these types of stories the male protagonist does it because they WANT TO. They often have a choice between what is considered good and bad. They are not forced into corners. And if they are, the writer comes up with, "they are strong and powerful and break free from this peril!" Sort of thing. If my friend really wanted to go fight a dragon I would warn them, but I would not stop them. And that is because I care about their agency. And absolutely not because I think they are "more disposable."
What you are talking about is a very small sub-category of stories where the protagonist does not have a choice. And you aren't considering that in these stores woman are frequently seen as weak, eye candy, that can't choose for themselves. And the men CAN choose for themselves, and are always strong and heroic. There are of course exceptions that you can mention, like Eragon (the book).
Men are not more expendable because they can choose for themselves. And in fact, men are usually chosen for this specific protagonist role because the entire world saw men as more capable. And men are typically more comfortable writing men. Now you may say, "well woman wrote to!" Not really. They weren't really allowed to. You know this, I shouldn't have to write a history lesson in order for you to know that (but I will if you prompt me).
So that's where I come from. You should read a feminist book on the subject next to balance out your pallet. Not trying to tell you your interpretation is wrong, in fact I may agree with you in some very specific instances. It's just multiple POVs are better then one.
Does this guy even know what a 'cliche' is? Cliche doesn't mean 'set piece in a film I don't agree with ideologically'
Gandalf the Grey mithrandir with the fax
Cliche also doesn't mean "superhero character in a superhero film has super powers".
@@peccantis I don't think Steven realizes that old comic characters like Wonder Woman are the reason those cliches exist in the first place.
The way he says "cliché" is honestly very smug and annoying, I doubt I could sit through a full review.
And yeah, none of these "Cleeshayz" are even Clichés.
He ironically described some of the least Clichéd things you could see in a modern superhero blockbuster movie.
I think of clichés like Deadpool's Superhero landing or The Incredibles' Monologing or The Avengers' group pan shot, or the McGuffins like the infinity stones or the mother boxes or the allspark, and the phrases like "the world needs us" or "we need to work together".
A Woman having screentime does not constitute a Cliché.
he doesn't even know that the reason there were so many male deaths in the movie was because it was fucking set in World War 1, a war that was participated by males, and instead thinks its feminine propaganda
Henry Cavil can't fly. He's just a regular human actor. This film doesn't make any sense !
icandodgebullets86 Robert Downy Jr. didn't actually attend MIT. Iron Man doesn't make any sense!
DING
Tom Holland says that he wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider. Ugh now Sper-Man: Homecoming is ruined forever
Hugh Jackman doesn't have a metal skeleton and cant survive atom bombs! X-Men doesn't make any sense!
Very funny!
that little smirk he does after everything he says and he thinks he's saying something intelligent.. haha
Ahh a fellow skull reclaimer
I to am a reclaimer of anime profile pictures
(However this one is from Fire Emblem)
Someone should also begin to reclaim the use of greek-roman statues in profile pics.
@@zegh8578 dont forget norse runes. Though i fear they might have ruined those.
@@carsonreddick3452 could not agree more! I've mentioned it in another one of these videos in fact! I am Norwegian myself, I love history, I love learning about actual life, both mundane and extraordinary, from old norse society. Runes have been used with such versatility, to the point where one can discover grafitti, crude jokes and slander carved in runes!
You're also right that it might be too late, considering how the Germans allready used them in WW2. A lefty friend of mine got a rune tattoo on his wrist in his early 20s. Part of the impulse was desire to reclaim, however, I doub't be would have done it nowadays, as he has more to lose doing these kinds of "stunts"
I Personally think he's an honest to goodness psychopath
It would explain a lot
I think i most love the line "She magically does...." as a sarcastic point that her power aren't explained but thats literally why she has them. She is magic
She isnt magic but from a god.
@@PeterParker-ff7ub yes the magic of gods
@@PeterParker-ff7ub You’re never going to guess what Greek gods are
@@ollympian_art are you saying greek gods are MAGIC???
He could have learned this shit from a 2 second Google search..... I learned this shit from fucking Cartoon Goddamn Network
Over the course of the video I went from "did he even watch the movie?" To, "has he ever seen A movie." And yet, this Molyneux putz is held up as an intellectual.
razieldumas I think the real question is "Does Molyneux even understand how cinema works?" Because his idiotic points in this video make me wonder if he even understands the basics of making a movie.
Also, Molyneux doesn’t know what a cliche is either.
Right? His confusion with Steve Trevor's character arc shows that he knows nothing about hero's tales. Often, the hero dies in a demonstration of self-sacrifice, because that's what heroes do. Like, does Obi Wan Kenobi's death signify 'male desposability' whatever the fuck that means?
razieldumas And it's not as if it's exclusively men who are killed off often. The "women in refrigerators" trope exists for a reason. Though if he even knows about that trope I doubt he cares because it's only an outrage when it happens to men, apparently.
I would add that he seems weirdly ignorant of the forms and tropes of "super-hero" and "comic-book" fiction from which this movie draws it's inspiration. One gets the impression that he's not only never seen a movie before, but that comic books, novels, or any other form of narrative storytelling have somehow eluded him his entire life. And then he saw a movie, and decided to apply "criticism" using his creepy, warped, malevolent worldview as an "intellectual" basis for said criticism.
Clearly "women in refrigerators" is a feminazi conspiracy to stifle creative men, but killing off one male protagonist is part of a dangerous trend to treat male characters as disposable. /s
"Cliche number 2. Women are great fighters."
I don't think Mollyboy knows what "cliche" means.
It's an offshoot of the Mary Sue, portraying women as great fighters is a hell of a lot less common than portraying men doing it though and Stefan doesn't seem to take issue with that.
Every time I watch UFC and there's women on the card I roll my eyes, so cliche smh
what are you talking about he knows what cliche means almost as well as cinemasins
@@hoagielamp6543 It's really "women are great fighters" is something that is being shown in movies more over the last 5-10 years which causes a lot of impotent weak males to realize how impotent and weak they really which gives them rage boners which confuses them and causes them to lash out.
he seems to think cliche means "thing I don't like" rather than "something that is overused or unoriginal" lol
If you look up "The Truth About Wonder Woman" this comes up before his video... well done
Original video: 151K views
Shaun's response: 370K views
There is hope for humanity
@@LisaBeergutHolst I'm not a Molyneuvian, but it needs to be said that GooTube promoting one video or person over another /= an indication of quality.
@@fun_ghoul that is true, but neither of these two claimed that.
@@boiyado6717 For that matter, "Creed" essentially said the same thing by implying that something being pushed to the top by Gootube's search algorithm = "well done". Seriously, did you even fucking read the comments before you vomited out a response?
ok creed bratton
Not to be a “snowflake” or anything, but stefan’s joke about princess Diana’s eating disorder was disgusting.
Don't worry, the only snowflake is Stefan and his alt-right chuds.
Still, it's not the worst thing he ever said on the internet.
Oh, _that's_ what that jumble of words was talking about!
Ew, what's wrong with him?
All of his jokes are sorta out of date.
Look, Stephan gets angry because of anything because it hurts his masculinity
And he is also disgusting
So you are right and you aren't a snowflake
But you have a nice snow hair
Honestly, the fact that any story featuring a woman as one of the main characters is "feminist" to these dudebros is so telling. To someone like Molyneux, the distant *idea* of women telling their own stories is insidious and subversive.
Also, "disposable male theory" is such a weird thing for red-pill types to advocate. You know who sees men as disposable? Other men. That's what the alpha/beta dichotomy is all about, disenfranchising other men as a means of reclaiming traditional masculinity.
Thank you for pointing this out.
vi i always love ur comments
Really great point on the hypocrisy of "disposable male theory" versus "alpha/beta" bullshit.
*"Also, "disposable male theory" is such a weird thing for red-pill types to advocate"*
Not really. The fact that men are routinely sent to war to die, among other things, is evidence of male disposablility.
*"You know who sees men as disposable? Other men"*
This is quite accurate. Women also see men as disposable and gladly take part in it.
*"That's what the alpha/beta dichotomy is all about, disenfranchising other men as a means of reclaiming traditional masculinity."*
No, that has nothing to do with "disposable male theory".
hislord1
“No, that as nothing to do with the ‘disposable male theory’.”
Just a heads up, this isn’t very compelling. It’s not even an argument, really.
You should probably explain why you think that instead of simply asserting that the opposite is true.
I can't believe that guy calls himself a philosopher, when he can't even understand a blockbuster film aimed at mass audience, based on a comic book, which initially was made for kids.
PyroNexus22 I've never had to stop and roll my eyes so many times during a video
Stefan is probably shilling for far-right groups.
I-It's not like I like you or anything B-b-baka, love your nickname, lol
I can't hear his voice without wanting to smash my head against a wall. Even worse is that thousands of retards follow him around like he's the chosen one
Pyro-Nexus Did you edit your original comment?
If Stefan thinks Steve Trevor sacrificing his life subliminally communicates the disposability of men, I wonder what he thinks of Jesus Christ.
Jose Galdamez the disposable male is not really a feminist ideal either, that's a goal of his side isn't it?
Most definitely. Molyneux is totes fine with pointless wars.
Holy shit for real😂😂😂
He's an Ayn Rand stan, which means that he hates Jesus because Jesus believed in compassion.
I understand he's an Atheist, lol!
For his “””””””cliche”””””” number 3, is...is he throwing a tantrum because he can’t get with Gal Gadot?
It seems so
the fact that he calls every trope a cliche is, in itself, a cliche
Lmao
Ignoring the disposable Amazons who died in the first battle, if they had added more disposable females to WWI battles, all hell would have broken loose, as crying man babies screamed about it being historically inaccurate to have females on the front lines.
Exactly, no women were conscripted by Britain, so Molyneux wants to change history.
The Huxley Agnostic
Molyneux would be a 100% on top of that narrative. I can already hear it, “ah, the feminists are now erasing men’s sacrifices in WWI,” like dude, is everything a feminist plot?
The Huxley Agnostic Don’t forget when Leon Trotsky in the Russian Revolution said: “Our female soldiers were greater fighters than any male one could imagine!”
How is it being a man baby to care about historical accuracy?
Kenetic Kups
lol stop and think about why a super hero story already breaks historical accuracy...
I get the strong impression that Stefan Molyneux feels as if all these critiques he presents are pure gold. It seems to me like every pause he leaves in his videos is him trying to allow the struggling viewer to digest the information that he believes just left the viewer in absolute awe, almost as if he believes he is intellectually saving the audience. Really just comes off to me as a holier-than-thou prick.
The Cynical Cypher thanks for pointing out exactly what was pissing me off in his attitude... Every time he paused for effect with that smarmy smile on his face I felt my blood pressure shoot up another notch... On the one hand he fucking disgusts me with his virulent hatred for women, on the other I kind of pity him, he believes he's so smart and superior when from a sane perspective he looks and sounds like a brainwashed raving madman...
Yes, I noticed that. He thinks every single line he says is so intelligent and meanwhile I'm over here Scratching my head wondering how someone can be this stupid.
He loves the sound of his own voice
@@IamMissPronounced he def knows hes lying there is no way he doesnt.
Cynical Justin Imagine viewing everything from that fragile snowflake lens. And these are the types of “strong alpha chads” that criticize others for being “SJW snowflakes”. I really do pity this guy for being such a narrow-minded, ignorant moron who views everything as an attack on his gender.
Stefan:
"Everything is a cliche and I'm sick of it.
Does that make me intelligent yet?
Also it's all women's fault."
It's like a misogynist Cinema Sins. No wonder Shaun felt compelled to respond.
That old chestnut.
Robert Cornhole its funny cause he ignored actual cliches to make up his own... I mean fish out of water and the cliche cackling villains etc. But no a paradise run by woman being a paradise that's a cliche
@@Maksie0 It's like a *more* misogynist Cinema Sins.
the "male disposability" thing is a real thing, not in this movie, but in general... but feminism tends to agree that it's a problem. It normalizes that men should be stoic unemotional warriors instead of, you know, human beings with depth and emotion. Stefan is so annoying lol. He gets one very small detail right and then drowns it in rightist propaganda, completely defeating his own point.
Yeah, sometimes these "alt right" talking heads approach real issues, they just sell bogus solutions. Just like when they agree that a small minority owns and controls most of society, but they blame jews and others instead of the socio economical model that makes it likely.
Stefan doesn't really seem like he's trying to actually talk about some of the issues men can face but more he's trying to talk about how much he hates women
yea but the right glorifies "men used to go to war" and feminists typically believe men shouldn't be held to these standards
Stefan's so-called "arguments" basically boil down to one thing -- if your movie has a heroic female lead, then it's feminist propaganda and therefore it sucks. For him, merely looking at the film's poster should've been enough to convince him that it's "awful."
While I had a couple of issues with some of the writing and visual aspects of the film, I felt that the movie went to great lengths to avoid dumbing down any of its male characters, while also doing its best to present Diana as the powerful, smart and independent heroine she is. Honestly, Chris Pine's Steve Trevor was as heroic as he could be given that he's not even the film's lead.
Also, heroic sacrifice has been in movies and literature since forever. Is William Wallace in Braveheart also "disposable"?
He already went into this movie with that conviction. There is no way he's gonna watch such a movie with an open mind. So yea, that poster was probably enough for him to judge.
Oh, but see: William Wallace in Braveheart was the Alpha Lead™ Defender of Western Civilization™ of the whole movie. Unlike this Overpowered™ Mary Sue™ created for Feminazi Postmodernmarxist Propaganda™.
You can tell that it's feminist because there's WOMZ in it
Thing is, the "male disposability" trope isn't entirely wrong. Take the _Iliad,_ where armies of male warriors slaughter each other over a woman. But Stefan and his ilk get it backwards in saying this is all the work of "feminism" somehow, instead of a feature of patriarchal rule where young men are expected to die defending the wealth (and women) of old men.
Things Stephan misunderstands in his video:
Mythology
History
The word 'intergalactic'
The Mcguffin trope
Women
Film Theory
Films
And comic books, definitely.
some more!
- men
- war
- society
- the nature v nurture debate
- mercy
- biology
Let me get in on this.
-virtue signaling
-feminism
-exposition
-dialogue
-words
-concepts
-things
Here, it's going to be easier to list the things he does understand. And done. That was easy.
How to argue
He doesn’t know what clichés are, either.
Honestly, the most disturbing part of this video is Stefan's blatant hero worshiping of Stanley Kowalski, the antagonist of A Streetcar Named Desire who is a wife abuser and rapist
I had no idea *that's* who he was quoting and, by extension, extolling.
Isn't his biggest role model the woman who worshipped a child murderer who kidnapped, killed and then dismembered a little girl as a beautiful ubermensch?
That’s what I thought. You are not supposed to agree with Stanley
STELLLLAAAAAAAAA
@@whatsallthebrouhaha Ayn Rand, at a guess.
The fact that Shaun can reasonably respond to all these point is amazing. Every time I saw a clip from Stefan all I could think was “literally what the fuck are you talking about you lunatic”
Same. Like... it genuinely feels like he didn't watch the movie at ALL, and he's just lying through his teeth. Like, ffs there's no way you can't figure out that Wonder Woman and the Amazons ARE NOT HUMAN! lmao 😆
@@senipain2785
Even Cinemasins pays more attention to movies than he does.
@@maxrichards3881 That's a LOWW bar to clear, and this dude somehow breaks his spine from the fall to the ground
same i love how calmly and eloquently shaun responds, my brain was just like "the fuck?? is he stupid?? HUH?????"
I am continously surprised by Shaun's patience and calmness in these videos. 90% of the times, I just want to say some variance of "do you have even one working braincell in that head?"
"male disposability" in movies? Rip all the movie moms/wives/girlfriend sacrificed to lazily give the main character development
Don’t worry, I’m sure he’d counter with something like “movie directors are saying that women are entirely responsible for anything good from a male character (rather than permitting the male character to be strong in their own right)”
@@Boulder7685 Nice!
That seems like the kind of Argument Stefan Moron
He was almost close with the “woman in the fridge” trope. Because it’s definitely a thing (think the very first episode of Supernatural, and Braveheart), but feminists tend not to like it very much.
‘That’s not a cliche, that’s just a normal plot!’ 🙄
It is so amazing that he has the gall to criticize a movie taking place during World War I for showcasing mostly male soldiers dying. Because he totally wouldn't be throwing a huge temper tantrum while frothing from the mouth if this movie showed any female soldiers. He'd probably be screeching about historical revisionism (even though female soldiers did exist). Like, what does he even want? You can't win with people like him, they are utterly desperate to be seen as the oppressed group while demonizing other actual historically oppressed groups.
I don't understand why he says Wonder Woman having super powers is wrong and unrealistic. Does he understand what a SUPER HERO is? Does he complain about Peter Parker being a scrawny kid mean he shouldn't be able to lift cars? I legitimately can't understand this mindset.
No Peter is fine because he is a maaaannnn...
I guess according to him, a scrawny teenage kid is much more likely to lift a car than an able-bodied, muscular woman
Can spiderman lift cars though? I don't think he's that strong. Superman is famous for doing that
Spider-Man is able to lift several tons, so I'm pretty sure he can lift a car
Anal fabrics uh yes Spider-Man can lift cars, there’s the all infamous scene of him holding up the foundation of a building which comes to mind, the way cap leaves him holding up a trailer (I think it was a trailer) in civil war, and when he holds a fairy together in homecoming. Just a few examples off he top of my head of him doing more than lifting cars
"It's an interesting approach to art criticism, I guess. Convince yourself of something truly mad, and then when you don't see any evidence of it, that proves the existence of the insidious conspiracy to cover it up."
Holy shit I gotta try this
I notice how you completely ignored the plight of East Timor. Nice stealth racism there, buddy. Go back to your pyramid with an eye at the top, lizard man!
You'll get millions of views along side every other runt person in the ocean of rightwing clownshit on youtube
You'll end up like David Icke
Oh NoOo! YoU CaUsED EverY DusAtER IN HIsTOriCal KnOwLaDGE!
bunnybreaker who were you talking about?
Complaining about male disposability in a movie set in a war where 15 million almost exclusively male soldiers died is...wow.
I guess he thinks WWI was fictional or something!
Also, it's not as if the movie doesn't clearly show that all those men dying is bad, and the characters try very hard to prevent all the deaths.
The whole theme of "male disposability" is one of Stefan's and his crowd's most hypocritical arguments, since they spend an inordinate amount of effort trying to convince everyone that women are unfit for fighting, and then turn around to blame feminism for a trope that exists because women are believed to be better kept away from fighting.
vaiyt I mean, in general, these people are very hawkish, very pro war, so the idea of them being repelled by the disposability of (male) human life at all is pretty laughable
@@ragoxdr6384 It's because they don't like to die for their country; they like the FANTASY of dying for their country. They'll keep talking about how much they're willing to die for freedom until they actually have to deal with war.
@@artistradio This, these guys generally are the type of assholes whom act like they would be the military hero of the hour while in reality they would be either too chickenshit to join the military, be discharged for disorderly conduct, or be one of the asshole soldiers that commit war crimes.
Right Wingers: Women historically haven't and shouldn't be allowed to fight in wars
Also Right Wingers: The fact that 98% of military deaths are men is proof of a matriarchal conspiracy to destroy men
@@ragoxdr6384 Who are "those people"? Stephan is extremely libertarian and - as far as I know - anti interventionist.
Did he just pull a quote from A Streetcar Named Desire, spoken by a character that goes on to rape the character he's talking about later in the story, and use it to justify his own methods of thinking? That's telling.
General Grievous1138 He probably googled “women know they’re pretty” lines without even reading the wiki summary.
Do you think secretly my he's actually saterizing such clueless entitled men? Cause I was just stomped. It was like watching a scene from the office when he said that. He's either a buffoon or a comedy genius. Lol
With Enough Prep Time TheNerdMan Ngl, if Molymeme actually pulls of an Andy Kaufman bow declaring his persona as just one big punk, I’d call him the greatest troll in human history lol
General Grievous1138 - yes, but the young minds he’s targeting wouldn’t know that.
WRITTEN BY A GAY MAN
Imagine thinking that all women, even fictional ones, are fishing for compliments FROM YOU SPECIFICALLY just by way of being attractive.
Someone’s jealous.
Stefan: Traditional gender roles good
Men: *are warriors and so die in battle more than the women*
Stefan: No not like that
Note that the creator of Wonder Woman did intend for Paradise Island (Themyscira as a name didn't exist yet) to be a paradise because it was a society of women. Because Marston thought women were superior. And in the more "definitive" WW origin story by George Pérez, it was the Greek goddesses who created the island and gave Diana her power (plus Hermes in the latter case). Your point still stands, though: the movie stripped the female influences in both cases and replaced them with Zeus, a male god, as the primary source of the island and Diana's powers. The comic Amazons were also the historic/mythological Amazons, who got enslaved by Heracles and freed themselves from male oppression, which is replaced by "created by Zeus fully grown". The not-aging was part of Themyscira's powers, not the Amazons themselves, and more Amazons were created by (again) female goddesses from the reborn souls of women who were victims of misogynistic violence.
tl;dr: the de-feminist-ized version still triggers Stefan.
I'm interested in what Stefan thinks Lesbos was like, though. Because…Lesbos wasn't an all-women island full of lesbians. We get the term "lesbian" from Lesbos because it was Sappho's home. There was *one* famous lesbian (or possibly bi woman) on the island. That's it.
Also you have to ask why Stefan is angry that Wonder Woman…gets superpowers. In a superhero movie. Or the fact that she's not aware that she's attractive? It's not even the point; it's that she doesn't care because she lives in a society that didn't teach her that her looks were the only valuable part of her.
PS: Patty Jenkins stated Diana was about 800 years in the movie. It's not part of the text so the canonicity is dubious but, since you brought it up, there you go.
PPS: Is it me or is Stefan's idea of criticism to point out "clichés" like they somehow condemn the movie? What is this, CinemaSins on steroids?
I don't think he even came up with any actual cliches.
Cinemasins look like a saint compared to this dude
Imagine if Stefan found out that the Marston created Wonder Woman based on his wife and the woman they were in a polyamorous relationship with
CinemaSins on testosterone supplements...
@@chinclucker Yeah, "All-woman society is a paradise" is not a cliche.
However, I assume Stefan would consider the injunction to use words with their correct meaning to be some kind of far-left attack on free speech.
I love that Ares gets called a brother of Zeus by the “history buff” when he is one of Zeus’ many sons.
And this is a man who has MANY SONS
Most adults, most illegitimate.
Not what the balding twat said: he said Ares was the ‘brother’ to Zeus’ other creation: humanity. Flowery, but not strictly wrong.
Um actually it’s mythology not history! And I’m I fucking dipshit asshole who likes correcting people on the internet for inconceivably small mistakes.
Dino Flagellate the issue is more that he has made his brand all upon the idea that he is an extremely knowledgeable history buff and uses his “knowledge” of history to “prove” his point. Also mythologies as a study are entirely historical unless it is directly involving people who currently practice it. The relationships between gods in Greek and Roman mythology is extensively documented and (at least involving Major gods) widely known by anyone studying the people of that time. My comment was directly targeting the brand he has created for himself. Not “correcting a minor mistake.”
I will never not laugh at how so many anti-feminist videos break down into “A man could easily beat a woman at arm wrestling”
Unless she's an Olympic powerlifter, Ms. America, Ms. Olympia or Ms. Universe bodybuilder, lol! 😆😅😂🤣
Unless it's a regular guy against a woman powerlifter.
@@darlalathan6143
I'm a dude, and I can say with confidence that your average female *bodybuilder* could absolutely fvck me and most average Joes up 😂
@@darlalathan6143 Bruh forget that, I'd lose in an arm-wrestling match with my girlfriend and she just goes to the gym on occasion. Stefan seems convinced that like, men vs women is akin to Hercules vs the local librarian.
It's such a weird way of thinking, too. Like, do these guys see a bigger guy at the gym and think to themselves, "Maybe I don't deserve the right to vote. Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to own property or work outside the home. That guy could totally beat me at arm wrestling -- I guess he should make all my decisions for me and I'll just live under his stairs knitting socks for him." Lol.
I like how when a man fights someone 3 times his size with little to no training, it's perfectly acceptable. But if a woman does it, it's horrible.
Also, I find it kind of funny how an incel is going on about beta males
Tiger Tamer this hits too close to home
Yeah, why aren't these guys more contemptuous of when Indiana Jones goes up against that hulking Nazi in a fist fight? How ridiculous that he would even think of fighting someone 2-3 times his size and winning. That guy is taller and has far more muscle mass than Indy! Preposterous.
I don't know what you're talking about. In every story ever made the dragon always wins. The idea of a much smaller knight defeating such a mighty beast could only possibly be pro-human propaganda.
I was unaware that this comment had generated any conversation... wow
@@TempoTronica It's a good comment - here, I'll show people are still reading it
Who hurt him? Don't answer, but do contemplate silently
He makes no bones about that if you can stand to listen to his very long videos.
Most guys like this have been crushed by a womanly figure in their lives, and they make it painfully obvious. It's either mommy problems, an ex-lover, or perhaps they were bullied by popular girls during teenhood.
The lady at Arby's spilled his curly fries. It was deeply traumatic. Is Arby's in England? It should be. Or not.
He alludes to child trauma and abuse in many videos. He's still a piece of shit either way, but his story may be a pretty fucking dark one. Definitely comes across as a pretty damaged guy to me.
Edit: to clarify, he doesnt refer to abuse HE experienced, just projects it onto culture, as he does in this video actually.
He has talked about his horrible childhood in many videos.
Stefan makes my skin crawl. His skull-like face, his smarmy, joyless smile, his self-conscious head movements, his "playful" condescension...everything just screams cut-rate cult leader.
Cut-rate cult leader. Exactly what I thought the first time I saw one of his videos. Ex-actly.
I know this is really petty (so... Fitting), but his voice. Ugh. His accent takes so many detours you'd think he was Petyr Baelish's incompetent brother.
He looks like a dime store Mussolini.
Yea he definitely was raised by a manipulative carer or his environment was shitty growing up so he had to resort to natural manipulative behaviour to thrive and grow
+ B. R. To be fair? Crowder was born in the US, Gavin McInnes was born in the UK, Stefan Molyneux in Ireland. Jordan Peterson was born in Alberta, basically our south. No clue what Southern's excuse is.
Oh my God that line
"Holding women accountable for marrying assholes"
That is 100% an incel line. Like, absolutely no argument from me to call him a mega incel
I guess he's married tho? Somehow?? it's so sad, I'm going to complain online about how unfair it is that girls marry people like him instead of nice guys like me.
No need to hold the men accountable for being assholes, apparently. According to Stefan, that’s not the issue.
I'm not even feminist but sheesh Stefan is just bonkers
@@TheThiccestChungusit's just pandering to his audience. A ton of people who profit from accruing an incel fanbase aren't incels themselves. If you're a shady internet grifter looking for a quick buck, it's hard to find a more lucrative market of credulous marks than incels.
@@dukedukeson2158feminism is just campaigning for equal rights
Most people are feminist, they just don't actively go out and campaign for something that should be common sense because they don't have the time or know how deep the problems go
"They're getting girl cooties all over mah superhero movies" Says Molyneux from his He Man Women Haters Club headquarters.
Mrdead Inmypocket He-Man wasn't a woman hater, I remember watching the original cartoons, but yes molyneux is an idiot.
The He Man Woman Haters club was not in reference to the cartoon series. It was a club from "Our Gang". Spanky, Alfalfa and all that lot. The club was founded to defend themselves against girls and valentines day. Girls have cooties and ruin everything. Hence portraying Molyneux as a member. It's not nearly as funny when I spell it out though.
maybe not, but since I didn't understand the reference, I appreciate the explanation.
@@Dawt_Calm
"Our Gang"? That's an odd name for what I've known of for my entire life till now as "the Little Rascals". I'm guessing "Our Gang" is the name of it in another country?
This guy isn’t anti feminist,he’s anti women.
Cookie Cook Games same difference
I feel so sorry for his daughter
@@DrillEntertainmentNetwork he has a daughter does he also have a wife
@@aisham2099 damn I hope his daughter is the biggest sjw possible and gives him hell, that's probably why he vents online cause at home nobody wants to hear it😭
Same thing
I can't tell what points Stephan is trying to make in relation to the movie. He'll play any clip and somehow read it as, "Women are weak, but also threatening."
CloneHat Well, if you were as afraid of women as he seems to be, you might find comfort in trying to convince yourself that they're weak too.
Oooh! Oooh! Should I bring out Umberto Eco's "properties of Ur-Fascism" again?
I love how in most Hollywood/superhero-y movies women generally used to be used as plot devices or just as romantic interests. Wonder Woman kind of flips this around and Chris Pine is used as a plot device, and suddenly it's because the movie is trying to push this agenda that "men are disposable".
I think there is some merit behind the "male disposability" thing (I mean there's a reason we send our sons to war and not our daughters) but Stefan just seems like a sexist a$$hole so he's not really the guy that should talk about it.
I don't even think that guy saw Wonder Woman tbh.
Stefan going to the cinema sins "everything ever is a cliche" school of criticism
Rhea Welsh I don’t even like CS. But at least Cinema Sins is purposely being hyperbolic for a laugh. This guy is literally a parody come to life but without self awareness.
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This fucker probably thinks "scene does not contain a lapdance" is an actual criticism!
Blackheartzero, the Underground Song Critic Haha true
@@someonerandom8552 Most of the things that Cinemasins says are in no way funny, or even an attempt at being funny, so its actual criticism, and it's incorrect.
Max Richards Cinemasins are clearly being hyperbolic, therefore they can still claim to be parody. Being funny is irrelevant. If cinemasins of all channels is considered “real criticism” then criticism is nothing but meaningless drivel.
Still, I’d consider Stefan’s incoherent sexist reading of WW far worse than some incorrect info from fucking Cinemasins.
A recurring joke from r/gamingcirclejerk that fis well here:
There are two genders: male and political
imagine your masculinity being so fragile that it's threatened by the success of a female super hero movie. Or, Hell, the image of a woman on a product. That's Stefan Molyneux in a nutshell
Especially the image of 3 female superheroes on a product! I don't think he's a geek, either.
On earth-11 there is a cocky feminist Stefanie that hates the wonder man movie and wishes it talked about the evil abusive fathers of the main villainess.
no woman seems to age passed 45...
Connie Nielson was 52, Robin Wright was 51, and Ann Wolf (artemis) was 46....
what does he think 45 looks like...
Most of these men think that once a woman hits 40 she morphs into a decrepit old hag
He probably thinks 40 looks like the crypt keeper from Tales from the Crypt
Wait - do you think any of these clowns have seen an *ACTUAL* woman outside of Pornhub and Redtube videos...???
@@21CCommunIT I think that most women they sees are the ones from hentais desu.
And I don't know a single heterosexual man who would pass on Connie Nielsen or Robin Wright from this movie.
"Liberals really have nothing better to do than complain about fictional characters!"
- Conservatives who have nothing better to do than complain about fictional characters
That being their idea of liberals and socialists
Stefan "I'm so alpha pasta with cartoon characters triggers me" Molyneux
Stephan's critiques are 110% sexual pathology and a weird mommy complex.
I can't take this Stefan guy seriously. He's like the guy who repeatedly says slurs to your face pretending to be ironic then acts superior when he finally gets punched in the face.
I genuinely don't think Stefan understands what a cliché is, it's not just a fancy word for "things I don't like in a narrative"
I find it hilariously ironic that Molyneaux does exactly what his audiences accuses Anita Sarkeesian of.
Nathan Drake I really don't want to watch Molyneaux videos after the two I have seen and am new to this channel. What does he usually accuss Anita of?
I'm going to guess that he accuses Anita of being a man-hater sjw who hates all men and brings in male dominance whenever she feels like it, I dunno. but I could guess from both of their vids that I watched for the first time that they are the polar opposites.
@@DdraigGoch84 he's pretty much the same as her, just on the other side of the coin... and with a bit of a different style
@@UnicornStorm
and Anita actually has statistics to back up her points instead of just a punchable face
@@q345ify let's say she sometimes uses some statistics.... in a way.....
Is it just me or does Stephan use the term "cliche" as if it's completely interchangeable with "trope"?
Nope, thats exactly what he's doing. None of these tropes have lost their meaning, so they can't be cliches. Molyneux went down the cinemasins path, overusing the word cliche to the point of cliche becoming a cliche.
Any time you distil a story down to its most basic conflict you will inevitably arrive at common themes and tropes. The idea that sibling rivalry is a "cliche" is absurd. This is a story that can be explored in many ways and it continues to ring true across time. If themes and tropes are all cliche then I guess we can't do any kind of hero stories (whether they be superheroes or just traditional heroes) nor can we tell stories of good vs evil. Maybe Molyneux is advocating for morally ambiguous story telling that is nihilistic or relativistic. Oh wait, I have a feeling that's not what he's looking for.
Actually, it sort of is. "Cliche" means any "overused" or "trite" word or phrase in a language. It also means often-repeated characters, settings and plots in fictional movies, TV, video games, etc. "Trope" means the latter.
I thoughted that he meant “stereotype” because it feels more appropriate, just a thunk
It often is used that way. However, a "cliche" means "overused, trite figure of speech" or "characters, scenery or plots repeated often in movies, TV, video games, etc." "Trope" means "characters, scenery or plots repeated for symbolic reasons in stories, plays, movies, etc."
Stephan Molyneux just goes into a movie with a pre-determined interpretation and ignores everything in it that contradicts said interpretation. He misrepresents characters, scenes, and plot-points and is always ascribing sinister motives to the creators/authors of the works he criticizes. Molyneux is basically every negative stereotype about online-feminist media criticism, but without the feminism.
Does anyone else hear "Incel, Incel, Incel, Incel" everytime Stefan opens his mouth?
I do
He's married. Which is kind of scary.
@@grmpEqweer Poor woman.
@@grmpEqweer Seriously? Married to an actual person or to, like, a waifu pillow?
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An actual therapist. Who from all accounts acts like a cult member of molynuts.
Jesus Christ, Freud would have a field day with Stefan.
Yeeeeeees!!
Unfortunately, Freud's theories would be just as if not more insane than Stefan's ideas, but it would be interesting as hell to see what he comes up with.
I love the idea of blaming the welfare system for crime when the US has drastically less welfare than the EU and drastically more crime.
And also, it doesn't make any sense.
Emil Sørensen America actually has more welfare than Europe. Europe has less welfare than the US.
JonJonBoi not at all
@@jonjonboi3701 h e a l t h c a r e
These guys make no attempt to hide the fact that they use 'feminist' & 'woman' synonymously. Wonder Woman isn't a feminist movie. It's like when Fox News claims that all other media is hopelessly liberal.
Knight Chime unionsocialist Wonder Woman is pro-Israeli, pro-Western interventionist propaganda tbh. The villain is a man who uses chemical weapons on civilians while the government that refuses to fight him *cough* Assad *cough*, and the main character comes from a God-given island of peace, which once used to have other inhabitants that are literally written off in one line (they 'moved away' or some shit). She then realizes that she can't save the world but vows to protect only one virtuous country... which for some fucking reason is the British Empire in WWI, one of the most atrocious entities in human history.
Yep. It's like when I come across 'Rekt feminist' videos, and about 80% of the time it just shows a woman doing/saying something they don't like - no mention of whether she is a feminist or not. It's so fucking childish. And the funniest thing is that they think we can't see straight through them. They think they can still act outraged when you call them out for their sexism.
Actual Research You do realize the masked lady was the villain too right? I haven't seen the movie in awhile so I don't remember her name.
The villain who uses chemical weapons, who is a female, is a pre-existing comic book character named doctor poison. It’s also an actual historical event, as the film takes place in world war 1, where chemical weapons were used. It’s just special chemical weapons because it’s a comic book film.
If you have an issue with themyscira, you should take it up with the 2 thousand year old Greek mythology that the film and comics are based on. Feminism didn’t exist back then, so can’t see how it’s a feminist conspiracy. The island also didn’t shave previous inhabitants, the entire island was created by Zeus. It didn’t have any previous inhabitants.
The whole point of Wonder Woman is that not all of humanity is inherently good, but it is worth saving the individuals. She fights the Germans because Ares is on the Germans side, and her naive and simplistic world view leads her to try and kill Ares so she can stop all war. Then, once she realises that humans aren’t that simple, she decides not to kill an evil German woman because all humans are worth saving. And then the war ends.
+JohnnyTheWolf Might as well say it's a feminist movie by patriarchal standards.
Stefan: we need to take inspiration from ancient cultures
Wonder woman: has characters based on Greek mythology
Stefan:
Stefan:
Stefan: Not like that
I love how he cites Stanley Kowalski from a Street car named desire as a realistic view on womenhood, while the same character is build up as a metaphor for "toxic masculinity" that later rapes the main female protagonist...
I think he got the plot wrong again god dammit
Well that's very efficient and free market of him, completely missing the point of two narratives in one movie!
Barely a minute in and he gets "triggered" by a can of pasta meant to sell food to parents with young children. Satire is impossible in this era.
I remember when I was young and a bigot that I thinked that feminist reviews of videogames and movies where very subjective and that they looked so hard to find male oppresion that they missed the point entirely.
I am having the exact same feeling about that guy, it is embarasing and I feel ashamed that once I could think something remotly similar. Sry my bad English
it's thought, not thinked, but your english is pretty good!
Be proud of your growth. It’s impressive that you crawled back from that
That's alright. And welcome to our side! 😁
"gains power somehow"... Yeah, as if she wasn't the literal daughter of a God
>is a superhero movie
I see he never read her comic book, either.
@@violetsparkles5453 that as well..... man probably lived the most painfully boring and unimaginative childhood in all of recorded history
@@Sonichero151 definitely
As Italian I say that putting spaghetti and sauce in a CAN should be a crime against humanity
Exactly!
A divorced dad cooking for his kids on the weekend wouldn't serve canned spaghetti!
The caterer for chef boyardee's funeral wouldn't serve canned spaghetti!
As an American who is passionately interested in Italian culture (and is also a grandson of an Italian-american), I can say that canning spaghetti is an actual hate crime against Italians!
Its disgusting to be honest. 😭 canned food is pretty nasty in general.
Agreed!
i like your snowflake fractal
@@jordana934 a Koch curve with Sierpinski triangles inside, if you want to know more
Thank you for calling out the fools Shaun!! TH-cam needs you. Please do not ever stop.
michael steward i want to marry Shaun. What a great dude
I know, I'm so glad I found this channel, it's slowly restoring my faith in humanity with every video.
"male disposability"
Probably wet himself when he saw Avengers Endgame.
"Libs are trying to remove gender from society!" /sees a cartoon women on a can of pasta, and gets upset/
Superman is MRA propaganda, nobody is that strong!
Apparently the ultra conservatives are now saying the Superman is propaganda for illegal aliens, so you're not too far off.
Harry Stoddard That's both hilarious and concerning.
I know you're joking but please don't bring supes in this. He doesn't deserve this.
And there was a recent Superman comic in which he brings the smackdown on white supremacists
9:27 to 9:49 He quotes Stanley Kowalski from "A Streetcar Named Desire" as if that character is some wise guru from whom he takes inspiration... A character who is VIOLENT and ABUSIVE towards his wife, and who goes on to RAPE her sister which causes her to have a nervous breakdown and end up in a MENTAL INSTITUTION. AND HE TALKS ABOUT HIM LIKE HES A ROLE MODEL??? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
I'm super late to the party, but you pretty much exactly said what went through my mind just a second ago after hearing him quote Streetcar.
Clearly the Simpson's episode went way over my head, because all this is news to me.
Well that book or piece of media sounds like a hellish ride...
Late to this one but thank fuck I'm not the only person around here drawing this conclusion.
@@tuffy135ify Hey, even in the Simpsons, Homer recognized that the guy was a jerk, and worried about ending up like him.
This guy is offended by wonder woman... I thought we were suppose to be the "crazy sjw snowflakes" ...
He's offended by a can of pasta.
@@RemixedVoice That also has both male and female superheroes.
@Tony catt that's a shame. I liked captain marvel :D
@@ambarkhan241 aggre to disaggre
9:40 there’s also the point that Stefan is referencing Stanley Kowalski, who is A) a fictional character and B) an abuser and rapist as grounds for his point, so his argument is built on a pretty poor basis
Did you know the original writer of Wonder-Woman was evidently involved in a polymorphous relationship with two women and believed if men were a little more submissive and women little more dominant we would live in a paradise of equality and justice. He was also really into bondage and strong woman. *The more you know music plays*
I actually did know that, because when my Mum did her Ph.D; her best friend was doing his studies in comics, really advanced theories and analysis of the themes in comics, although I can't remember any of them, other than the fact the other literature doctorate students submitted their essays in the traditional format while this guy fully wrote and drew and inked and colored and printed his essay in a graphic novel format and handed that in to his professor. Legend.
Pretty good read too, I got an early preview, it was inspired by Frank Miller's work, author of Wonder woman's work and his own childhood experience of his dad dying from asbestos poisoning, really freaky shit and I can't get it out of my mind.
Did you mean polygamy or polyamory
@@gemstonegynoid7475 what is the difference?
@@aliasofgray2854 One is marriage, one is love.
Did you mean polyandrous relationship?
the very fact that he would want people to listen to Stanley Kowalski from 'A Streetcar named Desire' just shows how scummy he really is
Yeah, it was at that point that I lost all hope that he could change, and just wanted to beg for the sweet release of his death.
Stefan is such an intolerable misogynist that I'm having a hard time getting through this video, as great as Sean's commentary is.
Hayden T Same
I've seen enough of his videos and found myself arguing with the screen!
I think something that really encapsulates the difference between Shaun and Stefan is the clip of Stefan screaming about evil men and vaginas and Shaun laughing at himself for waving at his microphone at the end
Imagine watching so many movies that have a predominately male cast that you get this mad when a movie has a predominately female cast.
I hope no white guys died in Black Panther because Stefan would be so upset.
One white guy did get killed by a black guy in Black Panther. I bet Stefan would ignore the fact that the black guy is the main villain.
@@artistradio or that the white guy is also a villain that smuggles vibranium based weapons to various people.
When he went on about men being shown as evil or incompetent
the first thing I thought of was WTF did you not notice Charlie and the Assault
into no man’s land. But mostly Charlie, I have PTSD from combat and pretty bad
at that, and when I look at Charlie I see massive amounts of character as he
knows he is useless in a fight and when Dianna encourages him with only “but
who will sing for me” he gets right back in with no hesitation. All he needed
was to believe he was not a burden to the team and he was willing to subject
his PTSD addled brain to more abuse and no pay. If that’s not being a hero I
don’t know what is and Charlie is about as white male as a man could be.
I need that on a T shirt:
"Convince yourself of something truly mad and then when you don't see any evidence of it, that proves the existence of the insiduous conspiracy to cover it up."
When Stefan says Sibling rivalry between Ares and Zeus I just went “have you even learned ANYTHING from mythology” Zeus and Ares are FATHER AND SON NOT SIBLINGS! I feel like I’m insulting some people’s intelligence by writing this comment. Sorry if I am. But Jesus Stefan, you’re perfectly willing to butcher the Mythology of a people you claim to admire but you just sound like the bitterest whitest man you cold possibly be. Don’t all his analogies sound like him projecting personal experiences with Women leaving him?
If it sounds like he's "projecting his personal experiences with Women leaving him" it's because he is.
All these nationalist-racist-sexist morons talk with admiration about Western Civilization, and Classical Greece and Rome, and all that crap, claiming them as part of their own identity without knowing what the fuck they're talking about. I've found again and again with Greek nationalists for instance that they're among the people who know the least about ancient Greek history. They're so proud of Greek history and language etc, and they usually can't speak or write properly in the language they're so proud of.
It's embarrassing to watch really. But then again, all this talk about Western Civilization and all that, is just a thinly veiled code for "white people are the best". But anyone with half a brain can see right through that bullshit.
Not quite my tempo I’m a huge classical myth nerd. And I want to punch a wall every time these goddamn posers praise The Greco-Roman empire as the be all and end all of Western civilisation. Whilst I’m not up on my history, admittedly, I bet I could school these assholes in even the basics of classical mythology.
To be fair to Stefan (typing that made all the hairs on the back of my neck stand up lol) I think he was comparing humanity to the "younger sibling" in his convoluted and pseudo-freudian metaphor, and Zeus to the father of both humanity and Ares, that's the only thing that even vaguely makes sense though.
The history buff failed to jump over the hurdle that fucking God of War managed to cross over back in the fucking mid 2000s
*woman characters just to happens to be advertised on a product*
Anti-SJW's: no
Seriously does this guy not remember them doing this with star wars when he was a kid?
Tony catt - it’s the interests you’re being manipulated by and aligning with.
Tony catt every single one
Haha, Molyneux is like the best Freud joke I've ever heard