The Native option yields a minimally processed data file directly from the image sensor that allows for more precise adjustments to be made in post-production. Recording with this option takes full advantage of the image sensor's capabilities.
Your video definitely convinced me to shoot in Native WB ! GoPro WB is greenish. With 10bits GoPro 11, Gyroflow, and DaVinci Resolve, I’ll never use any other preset !
The thing about native white balance and flat colour profiles is that they're really only suitable if you're going to be doing colour correction in post. I'm sure we all know this. That leaves us with a couple of problems. It's difficult to judge how useable they are without factoring in our skill as colourists. E.g. A great colourist might be able to make them look great. A poor colourist will produce poor results. The other problem is that our colour correction will depend on how far we're able to push our footage before it starts to break down. I expect the 10-bit footage coming out of the Hero 11 to do a lot better. I'd like to see a follow up video where you attempt to colour correct native white-balance footage, using scopes and vectors rather than relying solely on the unreliable eye.
I've watched a lot of video tutorials and most of them were just giving what I want but yours is giving what I need. Thank you for that! Sorry my english is not good.
NEVER Use NATIVE? This is not even remotely a good idea. GoPro does not have a log profile so Native WB and Flat color profiles are as close as will get. Locking the WB to a temp is the next best thing and better than auto but if you are color grading you absolutely 100% want to set the WB to native, No if and or butt about it, and now with 10bit in the GorPro 11 it is even more true. If you are getting better results grading with Set temp vs native then you need to go back and learn how to grade.
I also used to manually lock WB due to the excess warm look from native WB but since using davinci I'm finding that native WB produces a WAY better flat image to work with in post. You are going to find yourself correcting the WB every time but it's undeniably a much more flexible image your working with in post and wish I had switched to this method much sooner. I'm not trying to criticize your work or findings but I believe this title is a bit misleading and it really depends on the users intentions/workflow after shooting.
Native WB is the way to go if you want perfect picture. The problem is that you need to do color correction in post. With that said, if you don't have calibrated "White Color" when you shoot Native WB, you might color correct Native WB to something else looking weird. On the other hand, Auto WB sometimes can be troublesome, sometimes it can turn reddish to blueish just going from one lighting condition to the next lighting condition. I did the test to Gopro WB setting here th-cam.com/video/2zS-EsN1Nno/w-d-xo.html and found out that Native WB color is "flat"er than any other WB settings. GoPro Auto WB changes the color temperature from one lighting condition to the next but it's OK most of the time. There is nothing wrong with any color look but remember white color has to be white.
Interesting video. Quick question, i have ‘videograde’ on my ipad which i use to colour grade my videos. This app allows me to to set the white balance. So do i shoot in native and then set the white balance in app. Or do i set the camera to 5500 and set the app to 5500 too. Always film in flat anyway now as so many recommend flat colour profile. If its nice out tomorrow I’ll film at 5500 my first go away from auto white balance. Guess im going to be experimenting for a few days. Thanks for the video
Honestly, I was just testing auto white balance today and it’s the easiest option if you don’t want to worry about white balance. The only downside is when the camera possibly can get confused and switch white balance in the middle of a shot which is rare but extremely annoying. 5500k should give you a warm constant white balance with 5000k being more of that ‘clear’ look.
This is definitely one of my "problem" on whether to stick to one white balance value, as I use the QuikCapture quite often. I like 5000k better for indoor and outdoor.
Hey! look, native white balance is not made for a medium skilled videographer. If you were to colorgrade the native wb correctly or proffesionaly then it would look so... soo much better than your small experiment with using native wb. It is great that you have tried native colorgrade, but i would recommend either getting to know all of the settings on your video editing software which i would use davinci resolve 17 for or just feel it out colorgrading some random footage later on in your career you will progress and will do better.
@@VASILASIS Yeah, I've seen a lot of professionals NOT recommend using native because it seems to crush the dynamic range and instill a permanent orange tint. Maybe nobody is good enough to color correct around it, but that's not really a point in its favor is it? I'm decent at color correcting but I've yet to manage to get a good grade out of native - one equal to or better than other WB settings, anyway
Absouletly right. GoPro provided this for the experts who know well about the Censor and its Bayer filter. As Vasili Ermuratski wrote, this should yields amazing results in Color grading when a Color checker is shot at the start of scene/session (and for each camera because GoPro is no ARRI and thus their color science might shift from one Censor/Bayer to another)
Good comparison, you saved me a lot of time once I get my 10. As someone who uses Drones, Apple iPhone, Sony A73 and a couple of other camera's, I always use the base profiles that give the flattest profiles with the most dynamic range. That way when I assemble the footage and color grade I can get as close as possible to a one camera look. But I do think you make a valid point.
Thanks for the comment! Still messing around with the camera to try to get the best out of it.. I may, weirdly, prefer auto white balance at this point. It seems to do a pretty darn good job and I don’t get the overly yellow tint when set to 5500k. I may be making a video on this soon.
@@GeneralExpert The problem as I see it is that GoPro chose to make each step in their white balance scale too great a difference from the previous step. The change from 4500K to 5000K adds too much yellow, and from 4000K to 3500K adds too much blue. No matter what choice one makes, the resulting video needs color correction and grading.
I am experiencing the same thing with my GH6 in Natural. Way to contrasting. Also over Saturated. It can look great sometimes coming out of camera but often over done.
Hello, nice video! Regarding the color profiles, I have the GoPro 9, and it's similar (I've even heard that the 10 is even more contrasty). It is true that in flat, the dynamic range is better, lights and shadows are more balanced and you keep details in the shadows, and the color is more similar to reality although somewhat pale. It is true that the gopro color goes a long way in contrast, the most horrible being the extreme dark areas that it gives. However, to my liking, I have problems with both modes, and also I don't edit, so I'm not quite happy with these cameras. With flat, I see an image with little contrast, or I don't know what characteristic it is, but the impression is of an image that is too flat, that does not impact, that does not define the details in the way that gopro color does (it can be seen in branches of trees, definition of the asphalt-roads, of the clouds, of buildings...in everything, it is too smooth, more than reality...in contrast, the gopro mode provides a richness of detail and image impact better... but horrible shadows... do you agree with these characteristics? do you know any way to improve the flat mode, or the gopro? the flat mode I add color, even sharpness, with the pc's own values- tv (not with an editing program), and it improves the appearance but it doesn't gain what I see as lacking, nor does it move the contrast value, so I don't know how to transform that flat into something more impressive, maybe it can't be done ?...well, forgive the length and thank you very much, regards!
please use larger font size, your tiny thin font is very difficult to see quickly and just doesn’t work - go bigger so people can quickly see - it would make a much more significant impact in your video
Thanks for all these comparisons I've used your videos for a lot of my settings, but I'm still wondering about the sharpness. I realize that it doesn't look good unless you sharpen it in post, but it seems so easy to sharpen in post. I'm curious if your views have changed on that or if you could do a comparison between footage, shot with medium sharpness and with low sharpness and a quick addition of sharpening in post.
The Native option yields a minimally processed data file directly from the image sensor that allows for more precise adjustments to be made in post-production. Recording with this option takes full advantage of the image sensor's capabilities.
Your video definitely convinced me to shoot in Native WB ! GoPro WB is greenish.
With 10bits GoPro 11, Gyroflow, and DaVinci Resolve, I’ll never use any other preset !
The thing about native white balance and flat colour profiles is that they're really only suitable if you're going to be doing colour correction in post. I'm sure we all know this. That leaves us with a couple of problems. It's difficult to judge how useable they are without factoring in our skill as colourists. E.g. A great colourist might be able to make them look great. A poor colourist will produce poor results. The other problem is that our colour correction will depend on how far we're able to push our footage before it starts to break down. I expect the 10-bit footage coming out of the Hero 11 to do a lot better. I'd like to see a follow up video where you attempt to colour correct native white-balance footage, using scopes and vectors rather than relying solely on the unreliable eye.
I've watched a lot of video tutorials and most of them were just giving what I want but yours is giving what I need. Thank you for that! Sorry my english is not good.
NEVER Use NATIVE? This is not even remotely a good idea.
GoPro does not have a log profile so Native WB and Flat color profiles are as close as will get. Locking the WB to a temp is the next best thing and better than auto but if you are color grading you absolutely 100% want to set the WB to native, No if and or butt about it, and now with 10bit in the GorPro 11 it is even more true.
If you are getting better results grading with Set temp vs native then you need to go back and learn how to grade.
The result with native WB corrected is much better on your footage. 5500K looks too green.
I also used to manually lock WB due to the excess warm look from native WB but since using davinci I'm finding that native WB produces a WAY better flat image to work with in post. You are going to find yourself correcting the WB every time but it's undeniably a much more flexible image your working with in post and wish I had switched to this method much sooner. I'm not trying to criticize your work or findings but I believe this title is a bit misleading and it really depends on the users intentions/workflow after shooting.
Help! I shot an enite video with native white balance and it looks flat and washed out. Please tell me the color correction u did?
Native WB is the way to go if you want perfect picture. The problem is that you need to do color correction in post. With that said, if you don't have calibrated "White Color" when you shoot Native WB, you might color correct Native WB to something else looking weird. On the other hand, Auto WB sometimes can be troublesome, sometimes it can turn reddish to blueish just going from one lighting condition to the next lighting condition. I did the test to Gopro WB setting here th-cam.com/video/2zS-EsN1Nno/w-d-xo.html and found out that Native WB color is "flat"er than any other WB settings. GoPro Auto WB changes the color temperature from one lighting condition to the next but it's OK most of the time. There is nothing wrong with any color look but remember white color has to be white.
I lower the sharpness to Low and lower the WB to 5K and ISO max to 400, and be the better settings iuse
Thanks for the input
Interesting video. Quick question, i have ‘videograde’ on my ipad which i use to colour grade my videos. This app allows me to to set the white balance. So do i shoot in native and then set the white balance in app. Or do i set the camera to 5500 and set the app to 5500 too. Always film in flat anyway now as so many recommend flat colour profile.
If its nice out tomorrow I’ll film at 5500 my first go away from auto white balance. Guess im going to be experimenting for a few days.
Thanks for the video
Honestly, I was just testing auto white balance today and it’s the easiest option if you don’t want to worry about white balance. The only downside is when the camera possibly can get confused and switch white balance in the middle of a shot which is rare but extremely annoying. 5500k should give you a warm constant white balance with 5000k being more of that ‘clear’ look.
@@GeneralExpert thanks I’ll give 5000 a go first
@@GeneralExpert you are right native is rubbish
This is definitely one of my "problem" on whether to stick to one white balance value, as I use the QuikCapture quite often. I like 5000k better for indoor and outdoor.
Where is it in the settings!?
The color is beautiful, can I have the LUT? Thank you!
why did you name this video what you named it? doesn't seem to fit with the video
Great comparison.And the audio is great also. Is it raw from gopro 10?
Hey! look, native white balance is not made for a medium skilled videographer. If you were to colorgrade the native wb correctly or proffesionaly then it would look so... soo much better than your small experiment with using native wb. It is great that you have tried native colorgrade, but i would recommend either getting to know all of the settings on your video editing software which i would use davinci resolve 17 for or just feel it out colorgrading some random footage later on in your career you will progress and will do better.
Sure, I use Color Passport Checker XRITE you DO need it if use Native. Otherwise all color vectors shifted, you cannot correct without it
@@VASILASIS Yeah, I've seen a lot of professionals NOT recommend using native because it seems to crush the dynamic range and instill a permanent orange tint. Maybe nobody is good enough to color correct around it, but that's not really a point in its favor is it?
I'm decent at color correcting but I've yet to manage to get a good grade out of native - one equal to or better than other WB settings, anyway
Absouletly right. GoPro provided this for the experts who know well about the Censor and its Bayer filter. As Vasili Ermuratski wrote, this should yields amazing results in Color grading when a Color checker is shot at the start of scene/session (and for each camera because GoPro is no ARRI and thus their color science might shift from one Censor/Bayer to another)
Good comparison, you saved me a lot of time once I get my 10. As someone who uses Drones, Apple iPhone, Sony A73 and a couple of other camera's, I always use the base profiles that give the flattest profiles with the most dynamic range. That way when I assemble the footage and color grade I can get as close as possible to a one camera look. But I do think you make a valid point.
Thanks for the comment! Still messing around with the camera to try to get the best out of it.. I may, weirdly, prefer auto white balance at this point. It seems to do a pretty darn good job and I don’t get the overly yellow tint when set to 5500k. I may be making a video on this soon.
@@GeneralExpert The problem as I see it is that GoPro chose to make each step in their white balance scale too great a difference from the previous step. The change from 4500K to 5000K adds too much yellow, and from 4000K to 3500K adds too much blue. No matter what choice one makes, the resulting video needs color correction and grading.
Nice comparison Thank you.
I am experiencing the same thing with my GH6 in Natural. Way to contrasting. Also over Saturated. It can look great sometimes coming out of camera but often over done.
Hello, nice video! Regarding the color profiles, I have the GoPro 9, and it's similar (I've even heard that the 10 is even more contrasty). It is true that in flat, the dynamic range is better, lights and shadows are more balanced and you keep details in the shadows, and the color is more similar to reality although somewhat pale. It is true that the gopro color goes a long way in contrast, the most horrible being the extreme dark areas that it gives. However, to my liking, I have problems with both modes, and also I don't edit, so I'm not quite happy with these cameras. With flat, I see an image with little contrast, or I don't know what characteristic it is, but the impression is of an image that is too flat, that does not impact, that does not define the details in the way that gopro color does (it can be seen in branches of trees, definition of the asphalt-roads, of the clouds, of buildings...in everything, it is too smooth, more than reality...in contrast, the gopro mode provides a richness of detail and image impact better... but horrible shadows... do you agree with these characteristics? do you know any way to improve the flat mode, or the gopro? the flat mode I add color, even sharpness, with the pc's own values- tv (not with an editing program), and it improves the appearance but it doesn't gain what I see as lacking, nor does it move the contrast value, so I don't know how to transform that flat into something more impressive, maybe it can't be done ?...well, forgive the length and thank you very much, regards!
please use larger font size, your tiny thin font is very difficult to see quickly and just doesn’t work - go bigger so people can quickly see - it would make a much more significant impact in your video
I think out of camera "natural" at 5500 is definitely the way to go, flat is just too flat out of camera and vibrant is too stauuaturated.
Thanks for all these comparisons I've used your videos for a lot of my settings, but I'm still wondering about the sharpness. I realize that it doesn't look good unless you sharpen it in post, but it seems so easy to sharpen in post. I'm curious if your views have changed on that or if you could do a comparison between footage, shot with medium sharpness and with low sharpness and a quick addition of sharpening in post.
I use medium for family videos and low for stuff I know I'm gonna edit. Medium is slightly too sharp for me but low is way too low.
When you day 'native' white balance, does that mean the 'auto' white balance?
Native corrected is way too purple
flat all the way Jimmy. Thanks
5500k looked better. The native WB may be better with the natural/GoPro color profile.
Geralmente eu mesmo faço esses testes, mas sempre da muito trabalho. Obrigado por me ajudar
this fishing for comments or likes makes me not wanna do either, just this comment.
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Here is my go on flat / native WB grading
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