Well, I just started playing sunlust a couple hours ago. The wad has made me smile and laugh about as much as touhou 18 has, which is the highest praise I can give for something I haven't finished.
Fantastic video, a brilliant overview on Sunlust beyond its monstrous difficulty, covering elements of its design not appreciated enough. I hope to see your channel explode in popularity throughout the year.
Sunlust is uber-accessible and doesn't alienate anyone not too proud to play on a difficulty below UV, it is to be commended on the look and sound department. It never bores the player. Frustrate, maybe. Bore? Never! And finally, the design _teaches_ you. It is almost impossible to be mad at the wad when you get shredded - 98% of the time it's because _you_ did something wrong. If you open your eyes and ears and pay attention to what the levels want you to do, it is a big stepping stone in your skill progression, whichever level you're at. This is a wad I recommend to literally EVERYONE that enjoys Doom, and not for just a few reasons.
I'd love to see more videos where you select a particular megawad that's worth breaking down as being "great". I find this kind of recommendation way more compelling than the surplus of "top 10" or "best wads" type videos. I download them but there's so many I end up not playing any since I haven't been given enough of a reason for any one specific wad to warrant getting fully into. I have sunlust but have never played it, now because of this video it actually stands out in my wad folder and I'm going to start it up(:
maybe a little detail forgotten in this video, but Sunlust also has a great co-op value. Played it with a friend and it was great fun- changes the gameplay a lot as well, since ammo/health/powerups respawn over time, and you have infinite lives to restart, as opposed to 1 or opting to save. Levels are also built in a way to support co-op, so normally you should never get stuck if you die in an encounter.
I'd love if some source port introduced a function of checkpoints -- so you save progress without save scumming. Or maybe introduce a limited number of manual saves, like in the Wrath: Aeon of Ruin.
I feel like this is one of those wad's that I can highly admire, but I cannot imagine myself playing it. I know it sounds very "Un-Doom" like, but I'm just not a big fan of these big, brutal levels. Fun to watch, but not for me.
oh, yeah, sunlust is great. hard as balls but great nonetheless. just, do yourself a favor, if you know what hideous destructor is, then don't know what sunlust is. trying to play sunlust with hdest *will make your life hell.* trust me on this one lol
@@Bagheera2 Same, I am a new player only 23 years old, and I started playing doom with brutal doom and Doom 2016 first. But now I love playing classic doom a lot more because of Decino, zero master and BMD
@@adammclaughlin845 the chasm, barrels of fun, monster condo... They all suck gameplaywise, but what hurts me the most is that all hell levels look like a fricking sewer, not an actual hell
And the in house level editor was probably only a few steps up from MS Paint for doom levels compared to Adobe Doom Builder the community was blessed with nearly 2 decades ago.
I just started playing Sunlust this morning. Damn it's tough! I'm thinking of just starting over and doing a playthrough on I'm Too Young To Die since it's my first go at this WAD.
@@tenhundredkills if its your first time starting then yep I HIGHLY recommend going a lower difficulty. Hurt me plenty seemed to be enough of a challenge where it wasn't unfair, but don't do what I did and yolo it first go on ultra violence.
@@NightAsterisk After getting getting my ass kicked all day today with the YOLO approach, I've finally decided to start over on Hey, Not Too Rough. It's still quite a challenge, but much better suited to my skill level (or lack thereof in this case)!
I need to give this a try, watched both Coincident and Decino play it. It seems like it has a great balance of difficulty and pacing, all with it's own unique mechanics/design, fantastic architecture, and the great soundtrack to top it off.
Ive been save scumming it on uv its not too hard but it really reminds me of smt games where you have a lot of ways to make the battles easiers but sometimes you enter in a battle where the demons kill you instantely by abusing the same tools you have
Thank you for highlighting difficulty and saving. I've struggled getting some of my friends into the scene because they feel that they have to be as good as me. But I've been playing DooM for 25 years.
Well well, today I was recommending Sunlust to a friend, and felt like googling stuff about the wad itself, and it turns out you uploaded a video on it, saying a lot of stuff I agree with...talk about lightning hitting twice! Anyways, amazing video! Keep it up!
i dont know if im the only one, but i MUCH prefer the look and feel of Doom in 320x240. it's more mysterious, you cant make out stuff that is far, and it's just more immersive and looks better i believe. high resolution for me just shows all the seams and age. 320x240 is the way to go
I gotta play Sunlust sometime. I feel like most of this praise for it can also be said for Speed of Doom, and that's why it's (so far) the most memorable WAD I've played. I don't play Doom that much for the past couple of years, but I've played a lot of the big ones people throw out, particularly Eviternity and Ancient Aliens. And there's still just something really memorable about the challenge and the level design in Speed of Doom that I can't forget. The only other WAD I've played so far where it's stuck with me like that is the JPCP, and that's really just because of a couple of standout levels more than the whole playthrough. But I think this video did a lot more to get me interested in playing Sunlust than a lot of the community talk about it, where it usually boils down to "it's hard" and doesn't really go deeper into what makes it great.
@@HexenStar They're both great, but they're also both not vanilla doom and take good advantage of advanced GZdoom features. And as far as gameplay Sunlust is still king for me.
I actually decided to jump into Sunlust, though playing it on the lowest difficulty to level and to my surprise, I'm liking it a lot! As you say, lower difficulties are accouted for, quite a few moments I can tell where heavy hitters have been replaced by lower tier monsters. The encounters, though still hard, give you a lot more breathing room and recovering time if you make mistakes. So I am glad I jumped in! I think some put offs where worrying about how much lower difficlty would be accouted for (E.G 8 Cyberdemons are now 7 Cyberdemons and 1 Imp) and the whole "UV is the only/correct way to play Doom, anything else is wrong" mindset you see. :s Nether the less, I am a Sunlust believer now!
I was a bit discouraged to start playing Sunlust (as I am not fan of big slaughtermap wads) but watching your video makes me wanna try it (in lowest difficulty level :P)
Great review and video editing quality. I also played sunlust and got back into doom after watching decino's videos. Your review is spot on and you made a very high quality video.
Can anyone point me to the was they has the level in it shown with "this is not sunlust"? I saw it somewhere a while back and can't remember where to get it or what it's called.
Great video! It's really rare to see people celebrate artful difficulty scaling, especially with regards to WADs like Sunlust that demand so much of the player. Looking forward to the next one.
This channel was a great eye-opener for me. I enjoyed classic Doom since I was a teenager, but only played Steam version of original Doom via its internal Dosbox. And maybe because of framerate and hard configuration it wasn't a very pleasant experience for me. But because of your video "Doom engine - Limited but still 3D" I discovered Doom source ports and completed first three episodes of first Doom for the first time in CrispyDoom, which sure made the "learning curve" much more bearable for me. Now I'm playing Sunlust for the first time and feel like I discover a whole new world again - the world of Doom mods. For me it weirdly feels like playing Celeste - the mod is really hard, but its design and gameplay are so good - I always want to continue playing
I'm glad the videos were able to help you in such a way! Good luck on your Doom journey. I played a lot more Doom stuff since making this Sunlust video and some WADs are definitely even more impressive, but Sunlust will hold a special place in my heart as the one that sparked my interest.
I have to admit I actually LOOKED for some kind of story, with the star themes, the progression, and the map names. God Machine especially gave me some thought. Was the wad's culmination about the player's ascension? Or were you stopping this God Machine from its vile purposes by travelling through countless alien worlds in a quest to save the universe? Or, probably, it's called God Machine because of the skill of players who manage to beat it in one sitting pistol start. A Machine that turns mortals into Gods.
A masterpiece of a video. I love this description of Sunlust, and how you bring out the details. Although I have been a fan of DOOM games since about 1996 (I even had the SNES version), I am new to playing the Sunlust. I first found out about it during lockdown, but only began my journey into it recently. It is punishing for sure, but beautiful indeed. Not sure if I'll make it to God Machine, but that'll be an achievement for me if I do.
If Sunlust proves anything it's that John Carmack was right when he said "Story in Video games is like Story in porn. You expect it to be there, but you aren't there for it"
Beautiful letter of love to a modern classic Megawad, hope you in a future do more reviews from other classic megawads like Speed of DooM, Plutonia 2, Scythe or Memento Mori
Maybe ill check this out after beating okuplok, (this might take a while, im barely on the spider master mind hell knight mancubi fight, soon after getting the bfg) extremely challenging map
![[DOOM] John Romero's Level Design Rules](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ptHurafdCoQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks man
Oh nice, it's always lovely when the mappers themselves pop up ☺️
Haven’t played it but I’m blown away by the aesthetics
Is there any soundfont and port you can recommend to experience Sunlust as intended?
Fantastic video. Laughed pretty hard at "Who needs room above room anyway? What are you, an apartment building?"
Can you imagine having rooms above your room?
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Shots fired at heartland.
what are they, a
monster condo?
Well, I just started playing sunlust a couple hours ago. The wad has made me smile and laugh about as much as touhou 18 has, which is the highest praise I can give for something I haven't finished.
Fantastic video, a brilliant overview on Sunlust beyond its monstrous difficulty, covering elements of its design not appreciated enough. I hope to see your channel explode in popularity throughout the year.
This deserves more views.
Good work!
Great video, subscribed! Love the editing especially! Can't wait for your next video!
Sunlust is uber-accessible and doesn't alienate anyone not too proud to play on a difficulty below UV, it is to be commended on the look and sound department. It never bores the player. Frustrate, maybe. Bore? Never! And finally, the design _teaches_ you. It is almost impossible to be mad at the wad when you get shredded - 98% of the time it's because _you_ did something wrong. If you open your eyes and ears and pay attention to what the levels want you to do, it is a big stepping stone in your skill progression, whichever level you're at.
This is a wad I recommend to literally EVERYONE that enjoys Doom, and not for just a few reasons.
This is quickly going to become an amazing channel. Such awesome content!
Nice captures!! Especially that shot at @1:18--really well done
"Monster placement is clever, and encounters are memorable, and I am heavy weapons guy."
I'd love to see more videos where you select a particular megawad that's worth breaking down as being "great". I find this kind of recommendation way more compelling than the surplus of "top 10" or "best wads" type videos. I download them but there's so many I end up not playing any since I haven't been given enough of a reason for any one specific wad to warrant getting fully into. I have sunlust but have never played it, now because of this video it actually stands out in my wad folder and I'm going to start it up(:
For many people, playing Sunlust has been a major revelation of their suppressed masochism.
It hurts so good we don't even need aftercare.
maybe a little detail forgotten in this video, but Sunlust also has a great co-op value. Played it with a friend and it was great fun- changes the gameplay a lot as well, since ammo/health/powerups respawn over time, and you have infinite lives to restart, as opposed to 1 or opting to save. Levels are also built in a way to support co-op, so normally you should never get stuck if you die in an encounter.
It's easy, I see a Doom Mod Review, I subscribe.
Thanks for the content, mate :)
Cool video.
Hats off for pixel-kitty!
What a narration job. What a writing job. Subscribed, and I'm not even a gamer.
Amazing video. After watching this I gave the wad a try and it's an absolute 10/10 masterpiece.
I wonder how many devs must have started their career as Doom modders. This game is a godsend (Even though it features a lot of demonic imagery)
Very interesting doom channel with entertaining wad review...
It's insane with what they can do with doom levels now.
very good your video! it would be cool if you did one about ancient aliens
Yes.
I'd love if some source port introduced a function of checkpoints -- so you save progress without save scumming. Or maybe introduce a limited number of manual saves, like in the Wrath: Aeon of Ruin.
Nice job keep producing
Lmfao at "Go pat yourself on the back"
Mind if I ask, what's with the gag of putting a piece of cheese over the GZDoom logo? I don't get it.
@@borogk Doh!
Amazing
this wad really is beautiful yet can also melt your brain AND simultaneously makes you rage quit.
and im stilk at level 6 😭
In 0:48 he gibs 2 zombiemen in a row with a plasma rifle
I also understand the many reasons why people dislike sigil including the hardest enemy spawn on the lower diff
I feel like this is one of those wad's that I can highly admire, but I cannot imagine myself playing it.
I know it sounds very "Un-Doom" like, but I'm just not a big fan of these big, brutal levels. Fun to watch, but not for me.
Yeah, it's really hard to go back play clasic Doom levels after Sunlust ;)
👍
I am torn between this and Eviternity (it's a little easier and has custom enemies). Both great mods though!
"A little" ..?
Considerably easier and far less slaughterish.
oh, yeah, sunlust is great. hard as balls but great nonetheless. just, do yourself a favor, if you know what hideous destructor is, then don't know what sunlust is. trying to play sunlust with hdest *will make your life hell.* trust me on this one lol
sun lust hahahaha UAC Sun base
Oh so Doom 2 was made in one year. That's why its maps start sucking so much so far in.
also mother russia
Sunlust's greatest gift to us was decino dying 57 times to map 28. Top tier content!
@@borogk decino helped me appreciate og doom.
@@Bagheera2 Same, I am a new player only 23 years old, and I started playing doom with brutal doom and Doom 2016 first. But now I love playing classic doom a lot more because of Decino, zero master and BMD
Remember, Sandy Peterson only had 10 weeks to make his levels for the first Doom.
Yeah, sure, but i still can't stand doom 2's "hell" levels...
Looks like he spent 10 minutes designing Doom 2's The Chasm. Probably had his trousers down while doing it.
@@adammclaughlin845 the chasm, barrels of fun, monster condo... They all suck gameplaywise, but what hurts me the most is that all hell levels look like a fricking sewer, not an actual hell
I LIKE SHORE OF HELL AND INFTERNO BECAUSE IT HAS BERSERK AND CACODEMIN
And the in house level editor was probably only a few steps up from MS Paint for doom levels compared to Adobe Doom Builder the community was blessed with nearly 2 decades ago.
Why is your content so good and your subscriber count so low? It must be an error in the Matrix. You deserve a lot.
Pretty high-quality content for a channel of your size. You're underrated as hell
I swear completing sunlust pistol start on uv changed me as a doom player and a person.
Man 2 God
I just started playing Sunlust this morning. Damn it's tough! I'm thinking of just starting over and doing a playthrough on I'm Too Young To Die since it's my first go at this WAD.
@@tenhundredkills if its your first time starting then yep I HIGHLY recommend going a lower difficulty. Hurt me plenty seemed to be enough of a challenge where it wasn't unfair, but don't do what I did and yolo it first go on ultra violence.
@@NightAsterisk After getting getting my ass kicked all day today with the YOLO approach, I've finally decided to start over on Hey, Not Too Rough. It's still quite a challenge, but much better suited to my skill level (or lack thereof in this case)!
@@tenhundredkills Ayy good luck my guy/gal
1:20
This resolution/FPS transition is freaking awesome
Great effect. The trick is simple though, he reduced the quality from the high quality feed and gradually increased it back to normal. :-)
@@borogk Rally? Ok, that's more impressive than I thought. Nice!
I need to give this a try, watched both Coincident and Decino play it. It seems like it has a great balance of difficulty and pacing, all with it's own unique mechanics/design, fantastic architecture, and the great soundtrack to top it off.
6:00 you made me feel happy of playing in the lowest skill level.
Ive been save scumming it on uv its not too hard but it really reminds me of smt games where you have a lot of ways to make the battles easiers but sometimes you enter in a battle where the demons kill you instantely by abusing the same tools you have
Thank you for highlighting difficulty and saving. I've struggled getting some of my friends into the scene because they feel that they have to be as good as me. But I've been playing DooM for 25 years.
Great video :) sharing this on Twitter! Keep it up!
Well well, today I was recommending Sunlust to a friend, and felt like googling stuff about the wad itself, and it turns out you uploaded a video on it, saying a lot of stuff I agree with...talk about lightning hitting twice!
Anyways, amazing video! Keep it up!
First video and i am impressed by its quality. Your editing is absolutelly top nutch. Can't wait for more.
1:20 to nitpick a bit, the original resolution is 320x200 not 240
320x100
210x100
The WAD that almost mentally broke Decino!
Great video!
Are you going to do more on other great WADs like Eviternity or Ancient Aliens?
10:22 Nice reference to Sunlust’s ending
The occasional forced pistol start is my favorite design decision in Sunlust.
Codified by Scythe, and re-used in many megawads since because it's such an effective balancing tool.
i dont know if im the only one, but i MUCH prefer the look and feel of Doom in 320x240. it's more mysterious, you cant make out stuff that is far, and it's just more immersive and looks better i believe. high resolution for me just shows all the seams and age. 320x240 is the way to go
I gotta play Sunlust sometime. I feel like most of this praise for it can also be said for Speed of Doom, and that's why it's (so far) the most memorable WAD I've played. I don't play Doom that much for the past couple of years, but I've played a lot of the big ones people throw out, particularly Eviternity and Ancient Aliens. And there's still just something really memorable about the challenge and the level design in Speed of Doom that I can't forget. The only other WAD I've played so far where it's stuck with me like that is the JPCP, and that's really just because of a couple of standout levels more than the whole playthrough. But I think this video did a lot more to get me interested in playing Sunlust than a lot of the community talk about it, where it usually boils down to "it's hard" and doesn't really go deeper into what makes it great.
Sunlust is a pinnacle of level design that has yet to be surpassed and you can't change my mind.
Sunlust is good.
Verdant Citadel. Lullaby. Now that's great.
@@HexenStar They're both great, but they're also both not vanilla doom and take good advantage of advanced GZdoom features. And as far as gameplay Sunlust is still king for me.
fantastic video, i am always impressed by how much creativity doom inspires
I don't know much about doom but this video was very interesting!
You’re missing out.
I actually decided to jump into Sunlust, though playing it on the lowest difficulty to level and to my surprise, I'm liking it a lot! As you say, lower difficulties are accouted for, quite a few moments I can tell where heavy hitters have been replaced by lower tier monsters. The encounters, though still hard, give you a lot more breathing room and recovering time if you make mistakes.
So I am glad I jumped in! I think some put offs where worrying about how much lower difficlty would be accouted for (E.G 8 Cyberdemons are now 7 Cyberdemons and 1 Imp) and the whole "UV is the only/correct way to play Doom, anything else is wrong" mindset you see. :s
Nether the less, I am a Sunlust believer now!
I was a bit discouraged to start playing Sunlust (as I am not fan of big slaughtermap wads) but watching your video makes me wanna try it (in lowest difficulty level :P)
Great review and video editing quality. I also played sunlust and got back into doom after watching decino's videos. Your review is spot on and you made a very high quality video.
Come on decino recommendation, stayed for quality content. You make such a good videos. Subscribed immediately.
amazing video work but keep working on that english!
Can anyone point me to the was they has the level in it shown with "this is not sunlust"? I saw it somewhere a while back and can't remember where to get it or what it's called.
Great video! It's really rare to see people celebrate artful difficulty scaling, especially with regards to WADs like Sunlust that demand so much of the player. Looking forward to the next one.
This channel was a great eye-opener for me. I enjoyed classic Doom since I was a teenager, but only played Steam version of original Doom via its internal Dosbox. And maybe because of framerate and hard configuration it wasn't a very pleasant experience for me. But because of your video "Doom engine - Limited but still 3D" I discovered Doom source ports and completed first three episodes of first Doom for the first time in CrispyDoom, which sure made the "learning curve" much more bearable for me. Now I'm playing Sunlust for the first time and feel like I discover a whole new world again - the world of Doom mods. For me it weirdly feels like playing Celeste - the mod is really hard, but its design and gameplay are so good - I always want to continue playing
I'm glad the videos were able to help you in such a way! Good luck on your Doom journey.
I played a lot more Doom stuff since making this Sunlust video and some WADs are definitely even more impressive, but Sunlust will hold a special place in my heart as the one that sparked my interest.
I have to admit I actually LOOKED for some kind of story, with the star themes, the progression, and the map names.
God Machine especially gave me some thought. Was the wad's culmination about the player's ascension? Or were you stopping this God Machine from its vile purposes by travelling through countless alien worlds in a quest to save the universe?
Or, probably, it's called God Machine because of the skill of players who manage to beat it in one sitting pistol start. A Machine that turns mortals into Gods.
A masterpiece of a video. I love this description of Sunlust, and how you bring out the details.
Although I have been a fan of DOOM games since about 1996 (I even had the SNES version), I am new to playing the Sunlust. I first found out about it during lockdown, but only began my journey into it recently. It is punishing for sure, but beautiful indeed. Not sure if I'll make it to God Machine, but that'll be an achievement for me if I do.
7:52 Doom Eternal Vs I'm here just to play!
I like the Doom community is going strong 💪💪💪
I'm not even interested in Sunlust, but I had to watch this whole video. You're content is incredible.
9:22 Magnificent structure indeed!
(I'm assuming it's made of LOTS of thin sectors, but lining up the textures like that is still hella impressive)
Super well produced video, I'll be trying this megawad soon!
decino sent me here. Looking forward for more content!!!
If Sunlust proves anything it's that John Carmack was right when he said "Story in Video games is like Story in porn. You expect it to be there, but you aren't there for it"
what would a game journalist say about this wad in your opinion?
Beautiful letter of love to a modern classic Megawad, hope you in a future do more reviews from other classic megawads like Speed of DooM, Plutonia 2, Scythe or Memento Mori
Nice video, my dude.
About those level showcasing, I wondered if you use the Eternity Engine, or other sourceports?
1:19 I actually prefer playing at 320x240 when playing classic doom. Chocolate doom is one of my favorite source ports.
3:59 i get it hahaha the level is blood GEOMETRY when youre talking about combat GEOMETRY lmao
Maybe ill check this out after beating okuplok, (this might take a while, im barely on the spider master mind hell knight mancubi fight, soon after getting the bfg) extremely challenging map
Those camera angles during the intro is so awesome. Good stuff!
*super violent flashback from map 29*
I love the level design in SUNLUST, but the slaughter map volume of enemies ruins it for me.
A bit off topic but the term "God Machine" sounds so terrifying, foreboding and eldritch, but also epic and grand.
I was thinking about playing this with Brutal Doom, but I'll guess I'll have to play it in Baby Mode...
> This is not Sunlust
What level is that anyway? I've seen it as a clip before.
@@borogk Ah, thank you.
@@borogk I call it oku2v31 after the file name. ...I don't play it though.
i love when i pick up a 1% health and 537 arch viles 952 cyberdemons and 553 pain elementals teleports
Did you use the doom text generator for the words in this thumbnail, I'm asking because I use it to
Looks like we have a new great doom content creator.
I had a great chuckle at the end screen where it said “you didn’t load up DOOM to read...” lol
i have been playing doom wads for a while... I just finished going down on uv start pistol, and was hard and fun but i feel scared of trying sunlust
As much as I like a good labyrinth level, I won’t say no to big slugfest levels either.
Finally someone who shares my opinion on doom 1&2's mapping! Maybe I'll give sunlust a try. Seems neat.
I found “Go pat yourself on the back” quite funny as opposed to the real level title, Great video!
YES! You did a great job of capturing the majesty of this WAD
Loved the video, you have a great accent and voice too
Sunlust is one of those megawads that will be rite of passage for doomers.
I am not even a doom player, but I love those in depths videos. Keep up the good work man.