💯💯💯 American 4 banger sports cars (ecoboost mustang/LTG camaro) are EXTREMELY underrated. These are cars that offer better bang for your buck compared to Civic Type R, Golf R, WRX, JCW, V4 A90 Supra, Audi TT and many more but because they don’t have a Japanese badge no one gives a sh1t about them.
@@altonwilliams7273 yeah thats a mustang lol Ive got a 2009 Commodore SS (pontiax G8 for guys in the states) and that had 355hp on a very conservative tune from the factory. All these new high strung 4 cylinders will be fucked after 100,000km.
Well yeah because now there making 800 horsepower cars that idiots buy because of there ego. When In reality most of them will never use the full potential of the car they just wanna look “kewl” 🤷🏻♂️
It’s funny that this 4-cylinder Mustang has more power than plenty of V8 Mustangs of the past. I think you guys are pretty jaded from driving so many high performance cars.
Exactly, haters can hate all they want but, for less than 30k you have yourself a great looking car, is plenty fast (especially if you pump 93 octane), RWD with IRS...whats not to like?!
Michael Buffington I really am hoping that for the s650 that will be coming out in 2022, they will do it a favor and rename it the ST....I agree that ecoboost is kinda “meh”...
"Utility" lol you mean another jacked up tall station wagon with skid plates and plastic bumper guards to make them look like offroaders and raise the price up by 10k over it's car equivalent
67tomcat They won’t as long as there’s a strong market for it. Honestly,,, if the Mustang can survive the dark days of the 1980s wean everything was under 250hp and in danger of being replaced by a Japanese econobox I’m pretty sure it’ll survive the SUV craze. The American market is an evolving door.
@@EricFortuneJr. The only reason they survived was because of the chicken tax and the 1983 tariffs on motorcycles and dirt bikes as well a ban on diesel imports. In the end those tarrifs actually benefited the Europeans and Japanese because people still bought their cars over domestics at a higher premium which they otherwise wouldn't have had to pay because of the tariffs.
Honestly, this is enough. Rear Wheel drive, manual transmission, and sub 400 Horsepower -- this is something you can actually drive hard. You can learn, you can handle, and you can daily this easily. You cannot drive a, say, GT350 all out on normal roads. I like this :)
problem is its a ford the king of unreliability...... No car should have ANY problems before 100,000 especially in modern day. DONT BUY MANUAL MUSTANGS they are trash. Ford is being sued right now because the manual mustangs all broke
i found that i had to exert more effort with the steering on a 5.0 when going through the twisties than with this ecoboost. the front on the 5.0 was quite heavier, like wrangling a mustang. i drive the ecoboost as a fun beater car, but can floor it and get power when passing in the mountains.
@@acsecond I've been driving mustangs for years with no issues. The trick is to remember that you don't have to beat the hell out of your car everyday, but that applies for any car.
Thanks thats so true, the best car to learn in is a slow car you can drive fast. Once you comfortable you can work your way up to more dangerous cars like the GT. That cars fire 🔥
When you consider that the average driver is really not that good at driving, I would hope that they wouldn't get into something with much more performance than this. I think this car is plenty good for most drivers out there.
Robert Smith No they are not. I never got a single bad word on my Ecoboost, only compliments. Those toxic people only exist on the internet, and they are mostly kid hwo never had any nice car whatsoever.
I have a veloster N with performance pack, and I autocross/track it almost every weekend. I can definitely see the appeal of something like this. For autocross, I think this car with the handling package and manual trans would be a TON of fun. I think I'd actually consider one of these down the road if I'm looking for a rwd car. To be honest, I don't think a lot of people need much more than 300 hp. I'm glad Ford makes an entry level mustang. What's more, I'd be willing to bet that if Ford killed this model, EVERYONE would be complaining and saying "wow I can't believe the cheapest model is the GT, what was Ford thinking"
Exactly, people never know what they want untill something is gone. Now a days most people want a 700 horsepower car that they won’t drive to its full potential they just buy them to look “kewl”
@@ZACH_95_ yep, exactly! 300hp is enough that it can actually be mostly enjoyed every day when you drive. And it's also not too much that you're afraid to take it on a track/autocross. I think anywhere from 250 to 400hp is perfect for a daily. If you are an experienced driver with a lot of seat time on track (like Savagegeese) then I can see how 300hp would seem boring. For a regular person looking for a daily/track novice looking for an entry level car, I think cars like this have plenty of power and fit the bill almost perfectly.
DylaN W And when people like us say shit like this people will call us a pussy cause “wE CAnT afFoRd ThE gT” or “We cAnT HAnDlE a fAsT caR” No it’s just reality. Most people will never drive the car that fast and to its true potential, I will never need anything over the power of the GT and for a daily I personally wouldnt want the Gt I’d go high performance ecoboost. 🤷🏻♂️
There are two ecoboost engines available. There is this one in the video with 310hp and an optional 330hp engine with larger turbo. The sport package and engine with the larger turbo would be my choice.
That's one of the things I really hate about car reviewers. They get so spoiled and jaded from driving insanely expensive, top-of-the-line cars, and they forget that most people feel lucky just to have something that runs and gets them to work/school.
I was able to sample one of these EcoBoost Mustangs last summer when my wife and I took a trip to Colorado. We rented a convertible, and had an excellent time driving through the mountains, down to Colorado Springs and back to Denver, to Breckinridge, etc. The car was delightful. As a GT it was hard to beat, save for the smallish trunk. My daily driver is a Fiesta ST, which is huge fun, but a bit intense for my wife. The Mustang proved to be a really nice all-around package, with good handling and a very livable interior. It left a very favorable impression.
I just rented one of these two weeks ago and thought it was pretty awful. Completely because of the 10 speed auto trans. It was so un-smooth to drive. It wanted to shift into second 5 feet off the line and by the time you've hit 10mph it's shifting into 3rd. I was driving the winding roads of oregon and it would constantly hunt/downshift so keeping a smooth consistent throttle was difficult because you only needed a little bit of throttle, but it drops three gears and all of sudden it lurches and tries to take off on you. Manual mode likes to cancel itself too quickly, and the manual shifts are too harsh/crisp for a comfort mode (although I'd love it if I was in sport). The suspension was pretty good, but still we were pretty tired by the time we'd park it after 3 hours on the road. Power was great. Sound of the engine was good. Wind buffetting with the windows down was really bad (but you had a convertible so maybe you didn't notice!). I'd totally take one, but give me a 7 speed where its a 6 speed with a highway cruising 7th gear.
@@Krautastic I think you made the mistake to drive it in “D” and not in “S”. Big mistake... In “S” and “S+” the shift points are different, and most importantly, if you use flappy-pads, it will stay in manual and don’t switch back to auto on its own. I exclusively use “D” only in traffic jams, or under 30mph in the suburbs. Never judge the driving experience of this car based on “D” mode...
do we like it? no we don't. will you like it? yeah, probably, i guess, you have to, if you are the core buying demographic. do we all like lollipops? basically.
As far as I can tell, more enthusiasts drive the ecoboost than the GT. GT, GT350 seem to be mostly owned by old people, or rich college kids that just want to show off.
I’d recommend the RCR review of the ecoboost as it touches base on the whole “it’s not a sports car since it’s not a v8” statement. He jokes at the idea that people shun this car and ignore the potential it has. I know it’s all fun and games to knock on the 4 banger but some people really hate this thing for that one reason.
@@mirotvorez1134 Like I said in my earlier post on this comment page.....By ditching the good but unloved Cyclone V6 for the Ecoboost we have young new carbuyers/enthusiasts who can take the money they saved on car payments and insurance premiums that would have to have paid for a Coyote equipped Mustang then buy an aftermarket turbocharger and a tune and easily get GT 350 levels of horsepower and torque . Again now ALL Mustangs are NOW in fact "performance cars" whatever the trim level or engine option.Esp. when Ford offers the PP1 and PP2 suspension packages on the EcoBoost Stangs. Being that the Ecoboost has an MSRP of $26,670 within the budget of a lot of young car buyer/enthusiasts"
As a person who’s 33 and when I was 16 the base Mustang had a 4 spd auto, platform from 1979 and a V-6 that origin dated to 1969 it’s amazing how far the base model has come! I had that V6 Mustang and it was bad at the time.
Lol back when I was 18yrs old in 2007 I had a 2004 Mustang V6 with 190hp and a 4spd auto, I thought it was the greatest thing ever until I raced a toyota mimivan and got gaptized 😂
When I had SVT Focus way back when and it was in for service the dealer only had manual V6 Mustang to loan me to drive. The manual in today's car makes that manual in the old V6 like working a pick handle in bucket of rocks.
Jake Kennedy Exactly, i was just online a few days ago looking at the specs of the 60s mustang K-code which was the high performance model back than, and this ecoboost puts out more power and torque and here alot of people are saying that its slow. Alot of people have become spoiled over the years with these 400+ horsepower v8s. Im from the old school and this ecoboost has more horsepower than most v8s from the 1960s-2009, hell ive even driven an ecoboost on a few occasions and im impressed by it. Its funny that not too long ago this ecoboost wouldve been a high performance car with its 310 and 350 pound feet of torque, but now alot of people are considering this slow, my how times have changed, and people are becoming more and more spoiled.
I had one of these as a rental while my truck was in for warranty repairs recently and I was impressed with the performance that you get for the money.
300 hp, 6 speed manual, IRS, and in a well designed coupe that can hit 0-60 in the mid 5’s? Damn impressive daily driver. This was Porsche turbo numbers a long time ago. Technology is wonderful for the normal consumer. Nicely done Ford.
It sounds a though this is a great momentum car. And, at 3500-3600 lbs., there's a lot of it. My only wish is for Ford to shrink-wrap the Mustang - lose a little of the girth. But really, at the price, a rear wheel drive , manual shift car is remarkable.
Got me a 2019 Bullitt in Feb. Of course a lot different price range and yes, I don't use all the 480hp yet, but it's such a fun car to have for a daily driver!
The Ecoboost is a better decision for 90% of drivers than the 5.0 or the GT imo, especially in the economic state of the U.S. right now. For the value it's incredible.
My how times have changed. I remember a buddy getting heat for buying a 4AT four banger Fox body, but it was a huge upgrade from his 3AT Tempo with whatever wheezing four banger it had. Now we have 300HP four bangers with 10 speeds. Crazy.
I had a T-Bird Turbo Coupe back in the day and remember enjoying it as a fun, comfortable, daily-driver alternative to the Mustang. This stock Ecoboost now offers about twice as much hp/torque, improved fuel economy, and rides/handles better with IRS. It's probably a lot more dependable also.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more. My fuel mileage went from 32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
When will people learn physics and know horsepower isn’t everything? I keep up with newer 5.0s (not the S550 or Shelby’s ) especially the dumbass 2 valves in a 300hp e36 1997 with NA long gears. Transmission, drivetrain and tires make just as much a difference as power.
What I absolutely love about the S550 Mustang's present lineup is that truly lives up to the hype of the original 1964 1/2 model. Every trim level is a legitimate performance car no matter how you slice it. Want a good momentum canyon road/track day hero to compete against Miatas? You got it is the form of the EcoBoost Mustang. Want a classic Street/Strip Musclecar warrior .You got in the form of the Mustang GT. Want something to compete against the rich Euro-snobs in their Porsche 911 GT3s on the road course ? You go it in the GT 350/GT 350R . Want a supercar that you can drive everyday? Well you know, the GT 500. By ditching the good but unloved Cyclone V6 for the Ecoboost we have young new carbuyers/enthusiasts who can take the money they saved on car payments and insurance premiums that would have to have paid for a Coyote equipped Mustang then buy an aftermarket turbocharger and a tune and easily get GT 350 levels of horsepower and torque . Again now ALL Mustangs are NOW in fact "performance cars" whatever the trim level or engine option.Esp. when Ford offers the PP1 and PP2 suspension packages on the EcoBoost Stangs. Being that the Ecoboost has an MSRP of $26,670 within the budget of a lot of young car buyer/enthusiasts.
The In the shoppe segments are one of the best things about this channel. And I think talking to engineers or product managers about specific products is brilliant, because those guys are passionate about their product (versus some sales guy or something). This is the content I come here for!
These ecoboost mustangs are probably as fast (if not faster) than the 4.6 GT mustangs of a decade ago. Pretty impressive, and probably more so if you put a tune or intake/exhaust on it
Me over here, 300 HP sounds amazing to me! the top of the line mustangs 15 years ago didn't have 300hp. I'm in North Dakota and only have a 2 car garage, so I can't daily a mustang half the year but I'd still love it.
Id rather have this as a track day car over the 5.0 much lighter front end, much better weight balance. Ive seen these completely straight piped from turbo back, upgraded turbine, 550cc injectors, walboro 255, e85, upgraded clutch, and tune pushing 450hp at the wheels on stock internals. All while weighing 250LBS less and pushing almost the exact amount of HP as the GT. This car with some wider front and rear tires and wheels would probably be 2 seconds quicker around road atlanta im guessing.
@@followthegrow108 that's incredible man. Just thinking over 400hp with stock internals on a "four banger" is absolutely unbelievable. These are seriously underrated engines.
This is exactly the car I always wanted and I am absolutely the target demographic. I'm a guy in my mid 30s who makes enough money to enjoy this as my daily driver and it seems like a Saturn V rocket compared to the dumpster fire sedans and used hybrids I've had my entire broke-ass life haha. I don't really want more power than it has and the handling is super fun. It's gorgeous compared to everything else in its price range, too. The back seat is exactly perfect for my Husky/Shepherd mix. If you're looking at the 86/FRS/BRZ, look at this instead.
@@klausb1758 The higher cost and reliability problems was the main reason I ordered the new BRZ over the ecoboost mustang. Both are great cars, but the Brz/86 is cheaper to maintain and service.
@@eyecontrol4900 I agree. I just don't wanna pay premium gas prices. Looking at a Miata now, but I feel cramped in them. There's honestly nothing on the market I really like. It's going to be a secondary/weekend car. So, I may not even get anything.
It is though, if you don't have money to blow, and you're used to driving normal cars that are less than 200hp, 300hp will feel fast to us, plus even faster after a tune.
Wow...this gave me a whole new perspective to the eco boost mustang. I could say I respect it a lot more now. It is the sole reason the GTs, GT350, and GT500 are still around. Thanks for the video.
I appreciate the high performance offered by the GT or the GT500 but in the end every financial decision comes with an opportunity cost. No matter your financial position a $95,000 GT500 (because you can’t buy the base GT500, that would not show your true enthusiast passion) and you finance it for 60/MO at 0% that’s $1,583/MO and I left out cost for taxes, tags etc. At the end of the video, you do mention some more positive notes but the disdain for this car is palpable. True, go back not that far in the past and a base Mustang was not a good car period, enthusiast or not, but I give credit to Ford for working to change and improve the entire Mustang range so you don’t need to invest a mortgage payment each month into a car to have a good experience.
I completely agree, as an ecoboost owner, I'm not only tired of people bashing this platform for no apparently reason other than it is easy to hate, but also the snobbish and ignorant remarks that completely discount the value that the ecoboost has as a sports car.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more. My fuel mileage went from 32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
You forgot to Mention insurance policy doubles with vehicles, which 500 hp GT500 is practically at HyperCar status Wouldn't want to know how much more it would be to insure that beast. GT Premium, with Sport Package II Magneride Suspension, Brembo Breaks, Exhaust Cancelation. All performance of GT350, without the Snake Badges. Just ad the Whipple Super Charger or a Roush. I'll have GT500 power tuned to 720 hp for half the price and yes Recaro seats are available, and without HyperCar policy
Mario Monclova One of the problems that cant be resolved about the GT is the MT 82 transmission. The gt350 is worth it for the engine sound, and the transmission. You can do all of the above to a gt350. The insurance hike is worth it if you can afford a gt350. Those upgrades to a GT are nearing the range of a nice condition gt350 at around 50k
This car is a blessing! it's a manual RWD with very good mileage for the over 300hp and 350 torque. Ford has dramatically improved their interiors and the price is very appealing. I'm selling my 2013 c250 coupe to get a premium Ecoboost. Thank you for the review, I am totally sold!
"We drive everything, and to the regular person a 300hp rear wheel drive car is sporty, and it is fast" Yeah I drive a Prius, and 200-250hp rental cars feel fast, 70s sports cars were 10 sec+ 0-60
For that matter, people look at '60s musclecars through a rose-colored rear view mirror, and remember the over-inflated SAE Gross power ratings like they're gospel. In SAE Net, a 428 Cobra Jet had ~335hp, and now the 2.3L EcoBoost HPP has that.
I think the base model is good for an enthusiast. You can mod it they way you want, change suspension and some engine tuning the way you want it and it will be a lot more fun. This was an excellent video guys!
When I got my driver's license, the 4-cylinder Mustang had just been upgraded to 105hp, and you could let a teenager drive one. The V8 had 205hp and 280 ft-lbs, and good sense said it was a grownup car. Immature and unskilled drivers wrecked them regularly. Twenty years later the V6 had 280 ft-lbs. Now a 4-banger Mustang starts at 320hp and 350 ft-lbs... Damn.
One thing I think you guys are forgetting is the massive aftermarket potential. For a daily, throw a grand into wheels/tires/suspension, maybe another few hundred into intercooler and tune, and you've got 350 wheel and still keep the reliability and you'll have one of the best handling cars on the market.
Herpil and... the high performance eco goes to 60 in 4.6 seconds, it’s not that far off from the Gt, and they have the same governed top speed. Most everyday people this is plenty of power.
Even as a convertible the storage is excellent in this car. The combination of fuel economy, good seating position, power, and storage make this one of the best cars for a long road trip for two.
Alright I’m gonna say it... production quality of these videos is something to be extremely proud of. The video/audio montage is spot on and is improving every single time. Great job!
I really appreciate the ecoboost as a car enthusiast. It's much more obtainable than a GT. To mock the ecoboost because it isn't as powerful as the gt, is stupid.
My first new car was a 1989 Mustang 2.3L 4cyl that had 90 horsepower and 122 ft-lbs of torque. I drove that vehicle for 400,000 km (250,000 miles) over a decade. The 5.0L V-8 EFI had 225 horsepower and 300 ft-lbs of torque in 1989. I purchased my new 2019 Mustang ecoboost for $10,000 under MSRP in January of this year. It it fun to drive, turns heads, makes 310 horsepower and 350 ft-lbs of torque. I look forward to another 400,000 kilometres of touring with this red headed step child.
I happen to like whipping mine. Bought used for a song. It's a daily thing that does cost a little less to run than the GT, even FBO. Recaros, breather mods, and a good tune. Its like a big goofy BRZ in 295 clown shoes.
@@stephenbello1081 It does have its weight issues, but I am ok with that. Some better tires, a familiarity with where its limits are, and how it arrives at those limits all help my coexistence with it. Up until last month I owned a seriously wicked up Fiesta ST, and still own an NA Miata as well as a Turbo swapped Volvo 144. The Mustang slots in below the NA and Fiesta in terms of nimble, but can still hustle while providing more daily comfort than both combined. The compromises were small enough to me that I was able to end a five year love affair with the ST, as a matter of fact. It licks the old Volvo in every way except gas-pump conversation starting. My advice is to find a pre-18 car with no options except the performance pack and recaros. Everything you want, nothing you don't. Since I am word salading a bit, one more paragraph before dragging ass out of bed to start the day. The S550, in eco, with performance pack, recaros, and the MT82 is not going to set the world on fire VS purpose built cars. I would know. But it's capabilities are far more potent for the everyday than many would expect if you take the time to learn how it behaves. It's compromises are far less relevant to the experience than you might imagine. And if you don't like the compromises it does have, the aftermarket solutions are more plentiful than prostitutes in an economic depression.
I'd love to see you two review the same car, but with the performance and handling packages plus a tune. Torsen diff, 3.55 gears, firmer suspension and bigger sway bars, with more like touching 400HP at least? Has to feel like a totally different animal.
I can tell you. While I do not have the pp I have new coils, new intercooler, exhaust dp etc and a tune. I make a little under 400whp now and can gap gt's.
A bit of snobism here. This thing is chirping in third...if it had a honda badge it would be on a pedestal. Also, why do you keep comparing it to a gt350/500? I respect your opinions a bit less after this.
As a "normal" person.. I can see myself getting one of these just to brag that I have a Mustang. And as a final thought: If Jack goes away, I click away. He should be included on the Final Thoughts already.
@@kevinnorwood7355 different transmission, all the coolers that you need for track day, which PP cars lacked. Suspension and aero improved the upon PP cars, we will see how much makes a difference soon. Performance Mustangs are expensive now, no doubt about it, but thE Mach 1 is way more than badges, anyone who really tracks knows its the little things that add up. The lack of diff cooling on PP cars is a joke and everyone knows it. Like i said we will see, and if its not up to par people like myself will not buy, simple as that.
ThomisticAmerican13FOX the Mustang PP2 has aero on it to give enough downforce on track days. An oil cooler is cheaper then buying a MACH 1. Where I DO give Ford credit is using the gearbox from the Gt350 all Mustangs should have that gearbox.
As a 2015 Mustang GT owner in the San Francisco peninsula, it still surprises me to see many current gen Mustangs with baby seats in the back! Affordable & practical performance indeed.
Appreciate the fact that you didn't put down buyers of this Mustang. I don't know how to drive stick, have a 60 mile commute (one way), and don't have disposable income. This would certainly scratch that itch for me and who knows when i retire, maybe i'll finally learn how to drive stick and get that high performance Mustang!
I do have to agree with others, you guys come off as very snobbish and I think very pompous. I went back and forth with the GT and Ecoboost with 55k as a limit and choose the Ecoboost with no snobbish voice in my head telling me it wasn't as good as the GT. I have driven many many GT500s and have not one issue with the Ecoboost. There is plenty of headroom for more horsepower and if you can handle a GT not having but half the HP of a GT500 and just because it makes a V8 noise and be snobbish it's better than the Ecoboost just for that, I don't know what to tell ya. That quiet Tesla is going to blow the doors off of your GT and that snobbish tone will go away quite quickly after that. Life's short fellas, more non snobbish remarks and more positive reviews on a car that deserves quite more.
Brilliant review, thanks guys! Myself and my wife are huge Mustang fans, I intend to get a S550 Bullitt when finances allow, and she intends to replace her 2015 Escape with an Ecoboost when our daughter is old enough to get herself in and out by herself. That way we have the best of both worlds. A muscle car and a sports car!
@@nboy7 Thanks! I'm a Brit who emigrated to the US a few years ago so I totally intend to jump on the muscle car bandwagon. We never got mustangs in the UK until 2015
Great review! Well done and well said. With the Focus gone as well as just about every other Ford car gone, the Mustang must wear MANY hats. With that kind of mandate in place, it is pretty impressive what the engineers at Ford were able to accomplish with all the trim levels of Mustangs when you think about it. I can also appreciate volume sellers like this make the GT350 and the GT500 possible. Again, job well done!
I think you guys should review the HPP version, since it's supposedly very different from anything else in the product lineup. I personally still think a base GT is a better daily, because the fun factor is much higher when you want to step on it, but it's very livable the rest of the time. The cheap plastic interior is an eyesore, but it's just as comfortable and quiet as a Premium car and with the 301A package you aren't giving up any technology features.
“My only complaint”. You guys have complaining this whole video. This is not the GT or higher trims with the bigger engines and better suspensions. People who buy this version of the car already knows this. This is why the eco-boost version outsells the GT 2-1. I see more “regular” people drive this version that car rental fleets. I have a ‘19 velocity blues eco-boost and I have all kinds of fun in it. Because I’m not an adult kid anymore I’m gonna be 40 in 2 months. I have had V-8 cars in the past and that time has come and gone. I had my fun in those types of cars and now I’m more about practicality and insurance. Easily could have bought the GT, didn’t want to. I have way more fun just cruising and getting great gas mileage and complements on the car, than cornering hard and stomping on the gas and watching my money getting flushed down the toilet because I’m once a week putting gas in the tank. Regardless whatever your income level is. It’s all in what your preference is. But take it from me, if you aren’t a hooligan and know that this version doesn’t sound and drive like the GT, you will have just as much fun in this version just like the big V-8.
I bought a new 2018 Mustang Ecoboost 10 speed automatic and love it. I bought a base model, with a few options, to keep it light and cheap. The MSRP was $28,865 and I paid $22,890, excluding taxes and DMV fees. I wasn't looking for an all out sports/performance car and all of the compromises they come with. I was looking for more of a budget GT car, to use as a daily driver. My car will run 13.20s in the 1/4 mile, stock. All I did was adjust the tire pressures. Also, it'll get 35mpg on the highway at 70 mph, with the 3:15 rear gears. It outperforms my 2006 Mustang GT automatic in every measure of performance. It ran 13.60s stock, and gets 27 mpg at 70 mph. If your wondering why you've never seen a Mustang Ecoboost run low 13s in the 1/4 mile, in a magazine road test, it's because the never test a base model automatic. They always test a premium and/or performance pack car. These cars are heavier. Also, alot of their added weight is in the bigger wheels, tires, and brakes, which is the worst place for acceleration. Further, if you have the 10 speed auto trans, you don't need rear gears bigger than the 3.15s. This trans has a 4.70 first gear. To get the benefit of bigger rear gears, you'd have to run wide drag radials or slicks. Also, the manual trans cars are easily 5 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and 0-60. What other car, in this price range, will run low 13s, get 35mpg, has 4 seats, a large trunk, and is as comfortable? For you V-8 fanatics, I had 5 V-8 Mustangs before this one, and none were as quick, and all drank noticably more gas. Sure, the coyotes and factory supercharged cars are quicker, but they're also quite a bit more expensive and drink alot more gas. Anyway, I paid my money, made a choice I'm happy with, and don't begrudge V-8 owners for doing the same.
This is a viable option for me over the BRZ/86 when you add the handling package. As an autocrosser this is a pretty intriguing combo though the performance package versus handling package is a little confusing. I appreciate knowing there are still engineers and product managers at Ford who aren't trying to shoehorn us into SUVs.
The 2013-2014 V6 was too good that they neutered it for the 2015 model and forward until they cancelled it. It even sounds better than the V8 when you put on the Roush cat-back exhaust on it.
I AM a driving enthusiast and have owned 3 BMW M Roadsters, a flawless s2000, an e46 M3 and dozens of other nice cars. I have also owned a 2016 mustang eco boost that was bone stock minus 19” wheels. I can tell you this ecoboost is actually quite fun and has serious performance. I would say the number one drawback is that it does not have a good exhaust sound. Other than that, these two are WAY Off on this review.
Best case for the mustang. I make low 6 figures and have a Bullitt as a weekend car. My trainer makes 1/3 that and has an auto eco boost vert. We both love our cars the same. Great job Ford.
Loving my HPP HP. Great gas mileage when I drive it like a "normal" person but can't always find the strength to do so. 200 lbs lighter up front than a GT and just a BLAST to drive in any corner. Spec'd out and cheaper than the PP2 GT. No brainer. 7th Mustang I've owned and over half were GT's and this one will smoke all of them. Nuff said.
You're so lucky man to have gotten an HPP ! I got a Roush RS1 Ecoboost since the HPP isnt sold in my country. I had mine optionally fitted with the Turbonetics NX2 and the enlarged Honeywell/Garret intercooler. Its plenty fast but its always nicer having a full factory car.
Love my 2020 2.3L HPP with the handling package. I installed the Roush intake and it’s a blast to drive in the twisties. It’s amazing to me that you can get a Mustang with a pp2 package and magnaride for under 40k. Your video puts all the 4 bangers in the same bag and they are not all created equal. I personally would choose the HPP over the GT for balance and handling. IMHO.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more. My fuel mileage went from 32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
I think its the final drive gear that makes a big difference too. The low ratio diff in the PP cars really wake them up and they start to feel a lot more like GTs.
The Mustang is Fords most important non truck vehicle. There's a reason why their first fully electric vehicle is a "Mustang". It makes a lot of sense for them to keep trying to build as best a vehicle as they can.
There’s a guy out here who has one of these and has given it the full “ricer” treatment. He’s lowered it, spaced the wheels, opened up the grill, big spoiler, loud exhaust, and SUPER loud blow off valve. It always makes me kinda laugh because that guy loves his eco boost mustang but it sounds like a Japanese sports car lol
I think the Mustang Ecoboost lives up to the spirit of the original Mustang. It's a stylish car at an affordable price. This car is perfect for someone who just needs a functional interior, don't care if it's all hard plastic or worse in quality than a Fiesta. Don't care that it handles bad, as long as it's as safe to drive as a Taurus, it's fine. In many countries, the Mustang used to be a rich person's toy, now it's possible for upper-middle class people to own one, all thanks to the Ecoboost engine.
I spec'd out an Ecoboost Mustang with all the performance package/handling package and I think it was well over $40k for it. It's quite a lot for an Ecoboost.
yup, there's one for 45.5k near me - HIPO, Premium, Magneride, etc. Nego down to 37. That's still a LOT (too much) for the 4 banger considering every S550 needs about $2000 in chassis fixes to drastically improve the balance and feel of the car.
I finally drove one and it's a great car. It's fast enough not to be slow, and it's safe enough that burnouts were possible and easy to control. Also if you live in the north, as you say , not everyone can drive a 5.0 liter coyote ((I've got a Cobra for that) so you get a sporty, two door, good look mustang with good handle characteristics. If you wanna be pompus head in the sky racers, this isn't the car for that, but it's also $10-15k cheaper, better MPG, lighter, and you day to day driving experience will be similar until you mash the gas pedal..and even then you can still have as much fun as you should be having on public roads
Got a job in the past where I drove the eco boost and the 500 gt , no comparison , a huge v8 is what it is , but the eco boost is super fun to drive and awesome in its class with that 2.3 L engine , so fun and it looks simply great and beefy
Tighten your cheeks boys and save that deuce I want to get lost in your ecoboost And drive a 'Stang Also, I heard this is the Mustang that the Japanese like.
Best everyday car ever for someone who wants something fun, sexy af, and reasonably priced. Good gas mileage and 4 seats are a plus. Spec it right and it’s a beautiful car worthy of infinite praise.
Ok Jack & Mark, if you two where to do the Bullitt car chase, who would be driving the Charger and who would be driving the Mustang? I think Jack would be in the Charger, maybe it's the glasses.
I've got a '15 V6 convertible. Within my budget, I had the choice between the extra two cylinders or a top that goes down. I live in a sunny state, and the car is a great daily driver. Long drives down twisty mountain roads are enjoyable and long drives are comfortable. Plus it didn't break the bank. It is a great value.
As somone who now owns a GT having enjoyed the 2.3T for a few years, my own driving experience really doesnt match this clinical and misleading review - on the one hand you flatter the ecoboost: to imply that it is much better on gas mileage than the GT just isn't true. If you 'baby' either engine, you can get 35 mpg on a flat highway, yeah, if you 'track drive' the GT it will sink down to approx 12mpg whereas the ecoboost can be pulled down as low as around 18mpg. BUT, for me, real world driving average has proven to be an identical 23 mpg in both cars. On the other hand, you are way too dismissive of the ecoboost's performance...all very "meh" in your view it seems: Yes my GT sounds a million times better than my ecoboost did, but it's only a tiny bit faster (I was getting 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my 2.3T) and given that the ecoboost is more nimble/agile and has got tons of low down torque, I reckon I would get a faster time around a very tight and twisty track in the 2.3 than I could in my GT (and that is why some car reviewers (on this side of the pond anyway), have referred to the GT as the 'posers car' but the 2.3T as the true drivers car. I can see why they would say that.
@Frank White Ok, if that's your experience, fine I won't argue. The fact that my 2.3t got 5.5s 0-60 is phenominal for engine size to car weight ratio and I am not sure that my GT would shave more than 0.5s from that at best - so I am perpleced by your "no power" comment. The savagegeese "saddles optional" review seems far more positive towards the 2.3T.
@Frank White ok, well let's agree to disagree. I found the low down power and nimbleness of the 2.3T to be anything other than "pathetic" in terms of ability to throw it round corners and to be competetative in road race scenarios - sure, you don't take it to a drag strip or expect high end power, as it's offering a different perfromance experience - to compare it with a 560hp car is kind of missing the point imho.
I really wish we got a review of the “performance” version. Im sure an lsd alone would have made this car feel a lot better. Also, an after market tune would probably settle a lot of the timing issues. The GT350-500 cars are usually garage queens. I prefer cars that can be beat on, customized and enjoyed without feeling like your defacing a museum piece. I’m curious how a fully spec’d ecoboost vs a base GT compare in cost and performance?
I drove the high performance ecoboost a few months ago, it definitely was a quick car, with the high performance model it does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds... that really isn’t “that” far off from the gt. If I were to get the ecoboost it would have to be the high performance model or I would just go to the Gt, because you definitely feel the difference in the regular ecoboost to the high performance, it’s definitely worth the couple grand. As a daily driver I would most definitely get the ecoboost, could I daily the Gt? Well yeah obviously but just as a daily, I’d prefer the high performance ecoboost.
I had a completely base EcoBoost that I did extensive suspension mods on and tuned conservatively. Was in for far less than a GT, and it was a real monster on track. The low down shove of the EcoBoost, especially when tuned, made getting out of corners a delight once the suspension could keep it there. Maybe the lighter nose played into that as well. Anyways, I sold that piece of crap and got a Z4M Coupe. Fun car, but not something I wanted to live with for an extensive time period.
Not sure why Mark dislikes this car so much. I respect his opinion, but I think he is comparing it to $100,000 cars in his mind and that is a bit silly. This is a very good performance RWD car. 300ish HP is absolutely enough power, more than you need on a daily basis. I would argue that anyone who spends huge money on a performance car looks stupid next to someone who buys something like this. The real expensive high end performance cars put out more power but it is all useless on the road in real life.
Not to mention if you do the work yourself you can have the thing beating GTS for about 2,000 bucks. Plus the ecoboost engine is making way more torque down low than a coyote for its equivalent horsepower. My EcoBoost really shines against GTS from a stop on the highway they give me a little more trouble but I win some and lose some. On the mountain road though it's no contest my car handles way better and is balanced better. Check it out I have vids of it on my channel.
"From an enthusiast's perspective, this car sucks" - Excellent example of gatekeeping. Especially when a parallel was drawn to a CrossCabrio, quite a low effort jab at those not making six figures and looking to balance performance and price. Perhaps your definition of an 'enthusiast' is someone that can afford to spend $60k or more. Accessibility and value shouldn't demote those that buy this car into a category of people that don't care about performance. The ecoboost in class comparison is capable and offers room for tuning and upgrades. If its not for you, thats cool, people are here to see your impressions, but when you categorize and label the level of performance as an indication of whether you are an enthusiast, it makes viewers doubt the objectivity of your reviews.
It has 300hp, rwd, and comes with an optional 6 speed manual. If it had a Japanese badge on it this car would be legendary.
Unpopular opinion: The Ecoboost Mustang is a modern S-Chassis
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American 4 banger sports cars (ecoboost mustang/LTG camaro) are EXTREMELY underrated. These are cars that offer better bang for your buck compared to Civic Type R, Golf R, WRX, JCW, V4 A90 Supra, Audi TT and many more but because they don’t have a Japanese badge no one gives a sh1t about them.
I don't expect this engine to last reliably over 150,000 miles
@@quentonmillstid850 As a ford lube tech, ive seen many many ecoboosts well over 200k miles
Whats the highest 5.0 2015+ mileage you seen ??@@hunterboone3001
300 hp used to be v8 rating
@Peyton Brimmer yeah maybe in the 60's
where 4 cylinders were 40hp
@@mickeydee3595 Dude the 2010 Mustang GT was only pushing out 310 Horsepower lol
@@altonwilliams7273 yeah thats a mustang lol
Ive got a 2009 Commodore SS (pontiax G8 for guys in the states) and that had 355hp on a very conservative tune from the factory.
All these new high strung 4 cylinders will be fucked after 100,000km.
@@mickeydee3595 ok but this is literally a 4 cylinder that has the word Eco in the name
@@Dragon228833 and?
Here we are in 2020 and a RWD 6MT 300hp coupe is considered low performance.
Well yeah because now there making 800 horsepower cars that idiots buy because of there ego. When In reality most of them will never use the full potential of the car they just wanna look “kewl” 🤷🏻♂️
The thirst for power is out of control imo. It's why the Germans and other power hungry manufacturers have reliability issues
@@ZACH_95_If you don't do track driving, anything over 400whp is overkill.
Especially, low 5 secs 0-60. That's extremely quick to me. You'll definitely get alot of people from a dig.
@@ZACH_95_ their*
It’s funny that this 4-cylinder Mustang has more power than plenty of V8 Mustangs of the past. I think you guys are pretty jaded from driving so many high performance cars.
They are but they also admit that fact many times.
As someone who owns a GT350 they are also quite chonky and thicc. 300hp goes much further in a fox body.
Comes with the career I imagine. If I was driving and coming out with *interesting* reviews for dozens upon dozens of cars..I'd be jaded too
And the performance is about the same too, this car is pretty much on par with the '05 GT as far as acceleration.
I mean 300hp on a 3600 lb car is a little meh compared to the foxbody which was around 2800.
Power is just a number
we need more montages of core buying demographics
2021 Chrysler Pacifica Review
*Montage of depressed men in business attire, pregnant women, kids playing with dogs*
The shot of "Karen" was perfect!
More Karens!
forgot to add a pic of my auntie lilly
As a WRX owner, I choked on my vape once they showed the montage
You two are the wine snobs of the automotive world. To hear you admit its qualities says a lot for this Mustang.
It has one quality, fuel economy.
Jonxthxn you forgot cost lol
Yup they were surprisingly reasonable in this video lol
Their not snobs, they're realist, they say what's good and what's bad
Excusesgeese ends up liking everything. Hence the name ....
The fact that theres 310hp RWD IRS car for 27k, I'm happy.
S.H Kim bingo
Exactly, haters can hate all they want but, for less than 30k you have yourself a great looking car, is plenty fast (especially if you pump 93 octane), RWD with IRS...whats not to like?!
Yup, if they just changed the body slightly and renamed it, it wouldn’t get trashed by typical haters.
MIBASO88 it’s a hell of a deal for the money, the interior can be rattle hell but it’s still pretty nice especially on the premiums
Michael Buffington I really am hoping that for the s650 that will be coming out in 2022, they will do it a favor and rename it the ST....I agree that ecoboost is kinda “meh”...
Just be thankful Ford hasn't replaced this with another Soulless Utility Vehicle...yet.
"Utility" lol you mean another jacked up tall station wagon with skid plates and plastic bumper guards to make them look like offroaders and raise the price up by 10k over it's car equivalent
@Jack Wells Well, the Mach E, yes and no. Was being a little sarcastic given Ford has gutted their car lines in North America.
Ford isn’t the only brand doing this. Lol 👏🏻
67tomcat They won’t as long as there’s a strong market for it. Honestly,,, if the Mustang can survive the dark days of the 1980s wean everything was under 250hp and in danger of being replaced by a Japanese econobox I’m pretty sure it’ll survive the SUV craze. The American market is an evolving door.
@@EricFortuneJr. The only reason they survived was because of the chicken tax and the 1983 tariffs on motorcycles and dirt bikes as well a ban on diesel imports. In the end those tarrifs actually benefited the Europeans and Japanese because people still bought their cars over domestics at a higher premium which they otherwise wouldn't have had to pay because of the tariffs.
I think its a good thing that Ford make some sort of affordable basic fun car. Good review, thanks
yeah, now that the focus RS is dead.. Europe at least has the brilliant little Fiesta ST
SRS Productions yeah i got the fiesta ST it is a little funny Thing😆👍👍
People keep bashing on it but it's about the same price with the brz. Compared to what else is on the market the 4 banger stanger is a good car.
Yep. For what it is, it's a bargain.
The Vibe exactly
Welcome to another episode of jack giving us good info and geese complaining about every aspect.
These built-in timestamps are clutch
it's what separates gods amongst men
Julian C. Geese among men lol
Honestly, this is enough. Rear Wheel drive, manual transmission, and sub 400 Horsepower -- this is something you can actually drive hard. You can learn, you can handle, and you can daily this easily. You cannot drive a, say, GT350 all out on normal roads. I like this :)
problem is its a ford the king of unreliability...... No car should have ANY problems before 100,000 especially in modern day. DONT BUY MANUAL MUSTANGS they are trash. Ford is being sued right now because the manual mustangs all broke
i found that i had to exert more effort with the steering on a 5.0 when going through the twisties than with this ecoboost. the front on the 5.0 was quite heavier, like wrangling a mustang. i drive the ecoboost as a fun beater car, but can floor it and get power when passing in the mountains.
300 HP is little but not enough to say sub 400 😉
@@acsecond I've been driving mustangs for years with no issues. The trick is to remember that you don't have to beat the hell out of your car everyday, but that applies for any car.
Thanks thats so true, the best car to learn in is a slow car you can drive fast. Once you comfortable you can work your way up to more dangerous cars like the GT. That cars fire 🔥
When you consider that the average driver is really not that good at driving, I would hope that they wouldn't get into something with much more performance than this. I think this car is plenty good for most drivers out there.
So true. If you want little bit more horsepower than 86/BRZ but want to learn the dynamics of RWD, get this instead of used GT or SS
best comment on here
@@SHKim-xr1jl Totally unrelated but I absolutly cannot stand the 86 🤢
Most of the dopes in TH-cam videos crashing Mustangs into trees or crowds while showing off should have bought one of these instead.
Good point and oh, so painfully true.
So sad that many ecoboost mustang owners get laughed out of their car into a v8. Car scene is toxic.
I got a EcoBoost, and I couldn't care less about the insecurities of V8 drivers 😄
In fact when I get question what engine it has I tell them it's "V4"
ben LOL
Robert Smith No they are not. I never got a single bad word on my Ecoboost, only compliments.
Those toxic people only exist on the internet, and they are mostly kid hwo never had any nice car whatsoever.
They are doing them a favor.
Only on the internet forums maybe, it’s not like Kia Stinger owners ripping the badges off their car kind of problem
Mark gets so visibly depressed when he has to get in a mustang, he stress eats a family pack of raw hot dogs that night
hot dogs come cooked
@@Ari--d Well looks like we found "that" guy.
@@Ari--d you've never had good hot dogs
i survived off raw hot dogs as a kid...slice them up lime, salt, tapatio.
@@Ari--d Mark only buys raw dogs.
I have a veloster N with performance pack, and I autocross/track it almost every weekend. I can definitely see the appeal of something like this. For autocross, I think this car with the handling package and manual trans would be a TON of fun. I think I'd actually consider one of these down the road if I'm looking for a rwd car. To be honest, I don't think a lot of people need much more than 300 hp. I'm glad Ford makes an entry level mustang.
What's more, I'd be willing to bet that if Ford killed this model, EVERYONE would be complaining and saying "wow I can't believe the cheapest model is the GT, what was Ford thinking"
Exactly, people never know what they want untill something is gone. Now a days most people want a 700 horsepower car that they won’t drive to its full potential they just buy them to look “kewl”
@@ZACH_95_ yep, exactly! 300hp is enough that it can actually be mostly enjoyed every day when you drive. And it's also not too much that you're afraid to take it on a track/autocross. I think anywhere from 250 to 400hp is perfect for a daily. If you are an experienced driver with a lot of seat time on track (like Savagegeese) then I can see how 300hp would seem boring. For a regular person looking for a daily/track novice looking for an entry level car, I think cars like this have plenty of power and fit the bill almost perfectly.
DylaN W And when people like us say shit like this people will call us a pussy cause “wE CAnT afFoRd ThE gT” or “We cAnT HAnDlE a fAsT caR” No it’s just reality. Most people will never drive the car that fast and to its true potential, I will never need anything over the power of the GT and for a daily I personally wouldnt want the Gt I’d go high performance ecoboost. 🤷🏻♂️
There are two ecoboost engines available. There is this one in the video with 310hp and an optional 330hp engine with larger turbo. The sport package and engine with the larger turbo would be my choice.
@@Dialysisforever I agree, sounds like that would be a super fun combo!
These guys talk about car enthusiasts like poeple who receive exotic press cars every week.
That's one of the things I really hate about car reviewers. They get so spoiled and jaded from driving insanely expensive, top-of-the-line cars, and they forget that most people feel lucky just to have something that runs and gets them to work/school.
I was able to sample one of these EcoBoost Mustangs last summer when my wife and I took a trip to Colorado. We rented a convertible, and had an excellent time driving through the mountains, down to Colorado Springs and back to Denver, to Breckinridge, etc. The car was delightful. As a GT it was hard to beat, save for the smallish trunk. My daily driver is a Fiesta ST, which is huge fun, but a bit intense for my wife. The Mustang proved to be a really nice all-around package, with good handling and a very livable interior. It left a very favorable impression.
And the turbo excels in high altitudes.
I just rented one of these two weeks ago and thought it was pretty awful. Completely because of the 10 speed auto trans. It was so un-smooth to drive. It wanted to shift into second 5 feet off the line and by the time you've hit 10mph it's shifting into 3rd. I was driving the winding roads of oregon and it would constantly hunt/downshift so keeping a smooth consistent throttle was difficult because you only needed a little bit of throttle, but it drops three gears and all of sudden it lurches and tries to take off on you. Manual mode likes to cancel itself too quickly, and the manual shifts are too harsh/crisp for a comfort mode (although I'd love it if I was in sport). The suspension was pretty good, but still we were pretty tired by the time we'd park it after 3 hours on the road. Power was great. Sound of the engine was good. Wind buffetting with the windows down was really bad (but you had a convertible so maybe you didn't notice!). I'd totally take one, but give me a 7 speed where its a 6 speed with a highway cruising 7th gear.
@@Krautastic I think you made the mistake to drive it in “D” and not in “S”. Big mistake... In “S” and “S+” the shift points are different, and most importantly, if you use flappy-pads, it will stay in manual and don’t switch back to auto on its own. I exclusively use “D” only in traffic jams, or under 30mph in the suburbs.
Never judge the driving experience of this car based on “D” mode...
@@juzoli the quiet mode and track mode are both excellent in this car, better than both the D and S, S+
Eighteen minutes of two dudes tip-toeing around validation of a normal Mustang. Nice.
do we like it? no we don't. will you like it? yeah, probably, i guess, you have to, if you are the core buying demographic. do we all like lollipops? basically.
I lost it when they said daily driver and showed a CrossCabrio.
Future 7 figure classic
Good to know it wasn't just me.
One of the ugliest cars made
Thought it was a CrossTurdio
This sucks as an enthusiast car? I didn’t really understand that point. The enthusiast community behind these are pretty big.
these guys talk out their asses constantly.
These guys own $60,000+ sports cars, and are used to driving them. It's hard for them to come back to earth.
As far as I can tell, more enthusiasts drive the ecoboost than the GT. GT, GT350 seem to be mostly owned by old people, or rich college kids that just want to show off.
I’d recommend the RCR review of the ecoboost as it touches base on the whole “it’s not a sports car since it’s not a v8” statement. He jokes at the idea that people shun this car and ignore the potential it has. I know it’s all fun and games to knock on the 4 banger but some people really hate this thing for that one reason.
@@mirotvorez1134 Like I said in my earlier post on this comment page.....By ditching the good but unloved Cyclone V6 for the Ecoboost we have young new carbuyers/enthusiasts who can take the money they saved on car payments and insurance premiums that would have to have paid for a Coyote equipped Mustang then buy an aftermarket turbocharger and a tune and easily get GT 350 levels of horsepower and torque . Again now ALL Mustangs are NOW in fact "performance cars" whatever the trim level or engine option.Esp. when Ford offers the PP1 and PP2 suspension packages on the EcoBoost Stangs. Being that the Ecoboost has an MSRP of $26,670 within the budget of a lot of young car buyer/enthusiasts"
As a person who’s 33 and when I was 16 the base Mustang had a 4 spd auto, platform from 1979 and a V-6 that origin dated to 1969 it’s amazing how far the base model has come! I had that V6 Mustang and it was bad at the time.
Lol back when I was 18yrs old in 2007 I had a 2004 Mustang V6 with 190hp and a 4spd auto, I thought it was the greatest thing ever until I raced a toyota mimivan and got gaptized 😂
When I had SVT Focus way back when and it was in for service the dealer only had manual V6 Mustang to loan me to drive. The manual in today's car makes that manual in the old V6 like working a pick handle in bucket of rocks.
@@mr.boostang2064 don't beat yourself up toyota seinnas are fast as hell for a van
Jake Kennedy
Exactly, i was just online a few days ago looking at the specs of the 60s mustang K-code which was the high performance model back than, and this ecoboost puts out more power and torque and here alot of people are saying that its slow.
Alot of people have become spoiled over the years with these 400+ horsepower v8s. Im from the old school and this ecoboost has more horsepower than most v8s from the 1960s-2009, hell ive even driven an ecoboost on a few occasions and im impressed by it.
Its funny that not too long ago this ecoboost wouldve been a high performance car with its 310 and 350 pound feet of torque, but now alot of people are considering this slow, my how times have changed, and people are becoming more and more spoiled.
I had one of these as a rental while my truck was in for warranty repairs recently and I was impressed with the performance that you get for the money.
300 hp, 6 speed manual, IRS, and in a well designed coupe that can hit 0-60 in the mid 5’s? Damn impressive daily driver. This was Porsche turbo numbers a long time ago. Technology is wonderful for the normal consumer. Nicely done Ford.
It sounds a though this is a great momentum car. And, at 3500-3600 lbs., there's a lot of it. My only wish is for Ford to shrink-wrap the Mustang - lose a little of the girth.
But really, at the price, a rear wheel drive , manual shift car is remarkable.
Yeah I didn't realize how big the car was until I bought it
Got me a 2019 Bullitt in Feb. Of course a lot different price range and yes, I don't use all the 480hp yet, but it's such a fun car to have for a daily driver!
It's a comfy cruiser tho
Agreed but it's only going to get worse. The next Mustang is rumored to be based on the Explorer chassis.
@@jmahtab gonna be a boat like a charger, eh?
The Ecoboost is a better decision for 90% of drivers than the 5.0 or the GT imo, especially in the economic state of the U.S. right now. For the value it's incredible.
It's for gentlemen not hooligans.
My how times have changed. I remember a buddy getting heat for buying a 4AT four banger Fox body, but it was a huge upgrade from his 3AT Tempo with whatever wheezing four banger it had.
Now we have 300HP four bangers with 10 speeds. Crazy.
I had a T-Bird Turbo Coupe back in the day and remember enjoying it as a fun, comfortable, daily-driver alternative to the Mustang. This stock Ecoboost now offers about twice as much hp/torque, improved fuel economy, and rides/handles better with IRS. It's probably a lot more dependable also.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more.
My fuel mileage went from
32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
My 07 GT only makes 300 HP and has a 5 spd... would probably be gapped by an ecoboost 😒 at least I sound better
Your gt is 13 years old. I would not worry about it. If 13 years went by and ford did not create faster cars that be the real disappointment.
Probably? 😂
728 Autos driver mod 😏
But you have gt v8 power
When will people learn physics and know horsepower isn’t everything? I keep up with newer 5.0s (not the S550 or Shelby’s ) especially the dumbass 2 valves in a 300hp e36 1997 with NA long gears. Transmission, drivetrain and tires make just as much a difference as power.
What I absolutely love about the S550 Mustang's present lineup is that truly lives up to the hype of the original 1964 1/2 model. Every trim level is a legitimate performance car no matter how you slice it. Want a good momentum canyon road/track day hero to compete against Miatas? You got it is the form of the EcoBoost Mustang. Want a classic Street/Strip Musclecar warrior .You got in the form of the Mustang GT. Want something to compete against the rich Euro-snobs in their Porsche 911 GT3s on the road course ? You go it in the GT 350/GT 350R . Want a supercar that you can drive everyday? Well you know, the GT 500.
By ditching the good but unloved Cyclone V6 for the Ecoboost we have young new carbuyers/enthusiasts who can take the money they saved on car payments and insurance premiums that would have to have paid for a Coyote equipped Mustang then buy an aftermarket turbocharger and a tune and easily get GT 350 levels of horsepower and torque . Again now ALL Mustangs are NOW in fact "performance cars" whatever the trim level or engine option.Esp. when Ford offers the PP1 and PP2 suspension packages on the EcoBoost Stangs. Being that the Ecoboost has an MSRP of $26,670 within the budget of a lot of young car buyer/enthusiasts.
@Frank White WTF you mean by that???
The In the shoppe segments are one of the best things about this channel. And I think talking to engineers or product managers about specific products is brilliant, because those guys are passionate about their product (versus some sales guy or something). This is the content I come here for!
These ecoboost mustangs are probably as fast (if not faster) than the 4.6 GT mustangs of a decade ago. Pretty impressive, and probably more so if you put a tune or intake/exhaust on it
Me over here, 300 HP sounds amazing to me! the top of the line mustangs 15 years ago didn't have 300hp. I'm in North Dakota and only have a 2 car garage, so I can't daily a mustang half the year but I'd still love it.
There are some who enjoy owning and modding the underdog.
Id rather have this as a track day car over the 5.0 much lighter front end, much better weight balance. Ive seen these completely straight piped from turbo back, upgraded turbine, 550cc injectors, walboro 255, e85, upgraded clutch, and tune pushing 450hp at the wheels on stock internals. All while weighing 250LBS less and pushing almost the exact amount of HP as the GT. This car with some wider front and rear tires and wheels would probably be 2 seconds quicker around road atlanta im guessing.
@@followthegrow108 that's incredible man. Just thinking over 400hp with stock internals on a "four banger" is absolutely unbelievable. These are seriously underrated engines.
This is exactly the car I always wanted and I am absolutely the target demographic. I'm a guy in my mid 30s who makes enough money to enjoy this as my daily driver and it seems like a Saturn V rocket compared to the dumpster fire sedans and used hybrids I've had my entire broke-ass life haha. I don't really want more power than it has and the handling is super fun. It's gorgeous compared to everything else in its price range, too. The back seat is exactly perfect for my Husky/Shepherd mix. If you're looking at the 86/FRS/BRZ, look at this instead.
Funny, because it's between a GR86 or EcoBoost Mustang. Both have pros and cons for me.
@@klausb1758 The higher cost and reliability problems was the main reason I ordered the new BRZ over the ecoboost mustang. Both are great cars, but the Brz/86 is cheaper to maintain and service.
@@eyecontrol4900 I agree. I just don't wanna pay premium gas prices. Looking at a Miata now, but I feel cramped in them. There's honestly nothing on the market I really like. It's going to be a secondary/weekend car. So, I may not even get anything.
“Honestly, this is enough”
All the comments. 😂
It is though, if you don't have money to blow, and you're used to driving normal cars that are less than 200hp, 300hp will feel fast to us, plus even faster after a tune.
Wow...this gave me a whole new perspective to the eco boost mustang. I could say I respect it a lot more now. It is the sole reason the GTs, GT350, and GT500 are still around.
Thanks for the video.
I appreciate the high performance offered by the GT or the GT500 but in the end every financial decision comes with an opportunity cost. No matter your financial position a $95,000 GT500 (because you can’t buy the base GT500, that would not show your true enthusiast passion) and you finance it for 60/MO at 0% that’s $1,583/MO and I left out cost for taxes, tags etc. At the end of the video, you do mention some more positive notes but the disdain for this car is palpable. True, go back not that far in the past and a base Mustang was not a good car period, enthusiast or not, but I give credit to Ford for working to change and improve the entire Mustang range so you don’t need to invest a mortgage payment each month into a car to have a good experience.
Dude, I so agree with you, so much, you almost need a TH-cam channel dude !!
I completely agree, as an ecoboost owner, I'm not only tired of people bashing this platform for no apparently reason other than it is easy to hate, but also the snobbish and ignorant remarks that completely discount the value that the ecoboost has as a sports car.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more.
My fuel mileage went from
32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
You forgot to Mention insurance policy doubles with vehicles, which 500 hp
GT500 is practically at HyperCar status
Wouldn't want to know how much more it would be to insure that beast.
GT Premium, with Sport Package II
Magneride Suspension, Brembo Breaks, Exhaust Cancelation. All performance of GT350, without the Snake Badges. Just ad the Whipple Super Charger or a Roush. I'll have GT500 power tuned to 720 hp for half the price and yes Recaro seats are available, and without HyperCar policy
Mario Monclova One of the problems that cant be resolved about the GT is the MT 82 transmission. The gt350 is worth it for the engine sound, and the transmission. You can do all of the above to a gt350. The insurance hike is worth it if you can afford a gt350. Those upgrades to a GT are nearing the range of a nice condition gt350 at around 50k
This car is a blessing! it's a manual RWD with very good mileage for the over 300hp and 350 torque. Ford has dramatically improved their interiors and the price is very appealing. I'm selling my 2013 c250 coupe to get a premium Ecoboost. Thank you for the review, I am totally sold!
"nobody drives those everyday..."
Me, driving my GT everyday, "oops"
Bruh, same. Lol
Same bro 74k miles on the dash on my s550
In 03 gt 😓
GT is still the regular car version just with a bigger motor, he meant GT350s, GT500s etc
"We drive everything, and to the regular person a 300hp rear wheel drive car is sporty, and it is fast"
Yeah I drive a Prius, and 200-250hp rental cars feel fast, 70s sports cars were 10 sec+ 0-60
For that matter, people look at '60s musclecars through a rose-colored rear view mirror, and remember the over-inflated SAE Gross power ratings like they're gospel.
In SAE Net, a 428 Cobra Jet had ~335hp, and now the 2.3L EcoBoost HPP has that.
I drive a 170hp Golf 1.8t and my sisters 273hp CX-9 feels fast.
@@ilovemanunited6179 I rented one of these Mustangs and it is pretty easy to do burnouts if you play with the settings.
I think the base model is good for an enthusiast. You can mod it they way you want, change suspension and some engine tuning the way you want it and it will be a lot more fun. This was an excellent video guys!
There are some who enjoy owning and modding the underdog.
And then it blows up and they wish they got a GT lol.
When I got my driver's license, the 4-cylinder Mustang had just been upgraded to 105hp, and you could let a teenager drive one.
The V8 had 205hp and 280 ft-lbs, and good sense said it was a grownup car. Immature and unskilled drivers wrecked them regularly.
Twenty years later the V6 had 280 ft-lbs.
Now a 4-banger Mustang starts at 320hp and 350 ft-lbs... Damn.
and it's such a "dog". I find this review kinda shit.
One thing I think you guys are forgetting is the massive aftermarket potential. For a daily, throw a grand into wheels/tires/suspension, maybe another few hundred into intercooler and tune, and you've got 350 wheel and still keep the reliability and you'll have one of the best handling cars on the market.
A mustang will always be my dream, even if its less practical and more expensive than what I can afford...
Intro music sounded like granturismo so good
The intro music is awesome - if anyone can identify it, please do post the song name.
Keppel Skies - Through The Static
@@Astke my man
@@Astke I thought I heard on a podcast he used to also make the music for the episodes. I thought that was crazy.
Same thought lol
Clearly I am a slow driver but when did a 300 hp, RWD and manual coupe become a little boring?
i know right? the guy in the passenger seat looks disgusted. and it's 310 hp/350 ftlbs but i dont think they ever say that. just 300 hp.
Steven Walton yes, and most people that buy that gt500 or gt350 will never drive it to it’s full potential, some will most wont. 🤷🏻♂️
señor pepper because it’s less than 300 at the wheel goober.
When it has to push 3500 lbs of car. That’s when.
Herpil and... the high performance eco goes to 60 in 4.6 seconds, it’s not that far off from the Gt, and they have the same governed top speed. Most everyday people this is plenty of power.
My grandaddy did not lose his life in Vietnam for this ECOTURD!
I know, he lost it for his corporate masters.
Bruh
Even as a convertible the storage is excellent in this car. The combination of fuel economy, good seating position, power, and storage make this one of the best cars for a long road trip for two.
Alright I’m gonna say it... production quality of these videos is something to be extremely proud of. The video/audio montage is spot on and is improving every single time. Great job!
I really appreciate the ecoboost as a car enthusiast. It's much more obtainable than a GT. To mock the ecoboost because it isn't as powerful as the gt, is stupid.
My first new car was a 1989 Mustang 2.3L 4cyl that had 90 horsepower and 122 ft-lbs of torque. I drove that vehicle for 400,000 km (250,000 miles) over a decade. The 5.0L V-8 EFI had 225 horsepower and 300 ft-lbs of torque in 1989. I purchased my new 2019 Mustang ecoboost for $10,000 under MSRP in January of this year. It it fun to drive, turns heads, makes 310 horsepower and 350 ft-lbs of torque. I look forward to another 400,000 kilometres of touring with this red headed step child.
No line-lock burnout?
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
if you need a button to help you do a burnout you're doing it wrong 🤣
It didn’t have the performance pack maybe because of that
@@VerryJerry90 from 2018 onwards all Mustangs came with line-lock as a standard feature. Even the rentals at Hertz have it.
Prince Charming gotcha
I have and mines a base
I happen to like whipping mine. Bought used for a song. It's a daily thing that does cost a little less to run than the GT, even FBO. Recaros, breather mods, and a good tune. Its like a big goofy BRZ in 295 clown shoes.
Haha, I love that description.
The 1700 kg Kerb weight wasn't brought up in the review. Does that much weight intrude into the drive experience?
@@stephenbello1081 It does have its weight issues, but I am ok with that. Some better tires, a familiarity with where its limits are, and how it arrives at those limits all help my coexistence with it. Up until last month I owned a seriously wicked up Fiesta ST, and still own an NA Miata as well as a Turbo swapped Volvo 144. The Mustang slots in below the NA and Fiesta in terms of nimble, but can still hustle while providing more daily comfort than both combined. The compromises were small enough to me that I was able to end a five year love affair with the ST, as a matter of fact. It licks the old Volvo in every way except gas-pump conversation starting.
My advice is to find a pre-18 car with no options except the performance pack and recaros. Everything you want, nothing you don't.
Since I am word salading a bit, one more paragraph before dragging ass out of bed to start the day.
The S550, in eco, with performance pack, recaros, and the MT82 is not going to set the world on fire VS purpose built cars. I would know. But it's capabilities are far more potent for the everyday than many would expect if you take the time to learn how it behaves. It's compromises are far less relevant to the experience than you might imagine. And if you don't like the compromises it does have, the aftermarket solutions are more plentiful than prostitutes in an economic depression.
Comparing a huge, overweight moostang to a BRZ 😂
@@Pube83 Well, I did say big and goofy. I didn't say 1:1 ✌🏻
I'd love to see you two review the same car, but with the performance and handling packages plus a tune. Torsen diff, 3.55 gears, firmer suspension and bigger sway bars, with more like touching 400HP at least? Has to feel like a totally different animal.
I can tell you. While I do not have the pp I have new coils, new intercooler, exhaust dp etc and a tune. I make a little under 400whp now and can gap gt's.
I think a good set of coilovers would transform this car. Even Fords pp needs a little help with their damper selection.
A bit of snobism here. This thing is chirping in third...if it had a honda badge it would be on a pedestal. Also, why do you keep comparing it to a gt350/500? I respect your opinions a bit less after this.
Y'all bois are crushing it with the rapid fire content.
As a "normal" person.. I can see myself getting one of these just to brag that I have a Mustang. And as a final thought: If Jack goes away, I click away. He should be included on the Final Thoughts already.
@Frank White Yes, I know.. but remember.. I'll be amongst "normal" people.. THEY won't know that.
And so I says "Jack? Where are you from? All trades? LOL"
That's what I said.
I'm dying to know what Turbowski thinks of this car, considering he loves Ford and 4-cylinder Mustangs.
per the last review, Turbowski vacillated between this and the GT. i was like, wtf?
@@twystedhumour put a tune on the 4 banger and run doors with the GT
5.O GT driver here and Im thankful these are around, I couldn't have my Mustang without them. Mach1 here I come....
That's a lot of money to pay for a a Mustang PP2/Bullet with some stickers
@@kevinnorwood7355 different transmission, all the coolers that you need for track day, which PP cars lacked. Suspension and aero improved the upon PP cars, we will see how much makes a difference soon. Performance Mustangs are expensive now, no doubt about it, but thE Mach 1 is way more than badges, anyone who really tracks knows its the little things that add up. The lack of diff cooling on PP cars is a joke and everyone knows it. Like i said we will see, and if its not up to par people like myself will not buy, simple as that.
ThomisticAmerican13FOX the Mustang PP2 has aero on it to give enough downforce on track days. An oil cooler is cheaper then buying a MACH 1. Where I DO give Ford credit is using the gearbox from the Gt350 all Mustangs should have that gearbox.
As a 2015 Mustang GT owner in the San Francisco peninsula, it still surprises me to see many current gen Mustangs with baby seats in the back! Affordable & practical performance indeed.
12:06 how many times are you gonna adjust that shifter while not moving? 😂
Appreciate the fact that you didn't put down buyers of this Mustang. I don't know how to drive stick, have a 60 mile commute (one way), and don't have disposable income. This would certainly scratch that itch for me and who knows when i retire, maybe i'll finally learn how to drive stick and get that high performance Mustang!
I do have to agree with others, you guys come off as very snobbish and I think very pompous. I went back and forth with the GT and Ecoboost with 55k as a limit and choose the Ecoboost with no snobbish voice in my head telling me it wasn't as good as the GT. I have driven many many GT500s and have not one issue with the Ecoboost. There is plenty of headroom for more horsepower and if you can handle a GT not having but half the HP of a GT500 and just because it makes a V8 noise and be snobbish it's better than the Ecoboost just for that, I don't know what to tell ya. That quiet Tesla is going to blow the doors off of your GT and that snobbish tone will go away quite quickly after that. Life's short fellas, more non snobbish remarks and more positive reviews on a car that deserves quite more.
Brilliant review, thanks guys! Myself and my wife are huge Mustang fans, I intend to get a S550 Bullitt when finances allow, and she intends to replace her 2015 Escape with an Ecoboost when our daughter is old enough to get herself in and out by herself. That way we have the best of both worlds. A muscle car and a sports car!
Nice, both great cars !
@@nboy7 Thanks! I'm a Brit who emigrated to the US a few years ago so I totally intend to jump on the muscle car bandwagon. We never got mustangs in the UK until 2015
I love my daily ecoboost 2019. Gt is a luxury that I could not drive everyday and winter time in canada
Great review! Well done and well said. With the Focus gone as well as just about every other Ford car gone, the Mustang must wear MANY hats. With that kind of mandate in place, it is pretty impressive what the engineers at Ford were able to accomplish with all the trim levels of Mustangs when you think about it. I can also appreciate volume sellers like this make the GT350 and the GT500 possible. Again, job well done!
I think you guys should review the HPP version, since it's supposedly very different from anything else in the product lineup. I personally still think a base GT is a better daily, because the fun factor is much higher when you want to step on it, but it's very livable the rest of the time. The cheap plastic interior is an eyesore, but it's just as comfortable and quiet as a Premium car and with the 301A package you aren't giving up any technology features.
“My only complaint”.
You guys have complaining this whole video.
This is not the GT or higher trims with the bigger engines and better suspensions.
People who buy this version of the car already knows this.
This is why the eco-boost version outsells the GT 2-1.
I see more “regular” people drive this version that car rental fleets.
I have a ‘19 velocity blues eco-boost and I have all kinds of fun in it. Because I’m not an adult kid anymore I’m gonna be 40 in 2 months.
I have had V-8 cars in the past and that time has come and gone.
I had my fun in those types of cars and now I’m more about practicality and insurance.
Easily could have bought the GT, didn’t want to.
I have way more fun just cruising and getting great gas mileage and complements on the car, than cornering hard and stomping on the gas and watching my money getting flushed down the toilet because I’m once a week putting gas in the tank.
Regardless whatever your income level is.
It’s all in what your preference is.
But take it from me, if you aren’t a hooligan and know that this version doesn’t sound and drive like the GT, you will have just as much fun in this version just like the big V-8.
I bought a new 2018 Mustang Ecoboost 10 speed automatic and love it. I bought a base model, with a few options, to keep it light and cheap. The MSRP was $28,865 and I paid $22,890, excluding taxes and DMV fees. I wasn't looking for an all out sports/performance car and all of the compromises they come with. I was looking for more of a budget GT car, to use as a daily driver. My car will run 13.20s in the 1/4 mile, stock. All I did was adjust the tire pressures. Also, it'll get 35mpg on the highway at 70 mph, with the 3:15 rear gears. It outperforms my 2006 Mustang GT automatic in every measure of performance. It ran 13.60s stock, and gets 27 mpg at 70 mph. If your wondering why you've never seen a Mustang Ecoboost run low 13s in the 1/4 mile, in a magazine road test, it's because the never test a base model automatic. They always test a premium and/or performance pack car. These cars are heavier. Also, alot of their added weight is in the bigger wheels, tires, and brakes,
which is the worst place for acceleration. Further, if you have the 10 speed auto trans, you don't need rear gears bigger than the 3.15s. This trans has a 4.70 first gear. To get the benefit of bigger rear gears, you'd have to run wide drag radials or slicks. Also, the manual trans cars are easily 5 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and 0-60. What other car, in this price range, will run low 13s, get
35mpg, has 4 seats, a large trunk, and is as comfortable?
For you V-8 fanatics, I had 5 V-8 Mustangs before this one, and none were as quick, and all drank noticably more gas. Sure, the coyotes and factory supercharged cars are quicker, but they're also quite a bit more expensive and drink alot more gas. Anyway, I paid my money, made a choice I'm happy with,
and don't begrudge V-8 owners for doing the same.
This is a viable option for me over the BRZ/86 when you add the handling package. As an autocrosser this is a pretty intriguing combo though the performance package versus handling package is a little confusing. I appreciate knowing there are still engineers and product managers at Ford who aren't trying to shoehorn us into SUVs.
Believe as someone who owns both, the brz is an extension of the body in auto cross.
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx I imagine a normally aspirated BRZ would also have better long term reliability
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx I bought a 2022 BRZ and yeah it really is intuitive and fun to autocross.
The 2013-2014 V6 was too good that they neutered it for the 2015 model and forward until they cancelled it. It even sounds better than the V8 when you put on the Roush cat-back exhaust on it.
I AM a driving enthusiast and have owned 3 BMW M Roadsters, a flawless s2000, an e46 M3 and dozens of other nice cars.
I have also owned a 2016 mustang eco boost that was bone stock minus 19” wheels.
I can tell you this ecoboost is actually quite fun and has serious performance. I would say the number one drawback is that it does not have a good exhaust sound.
Other than that, these two are WAY Off on this review.
None of your cars listed had a v8. Get in a Mach1 or GT500 and tell me that ecoboost is good. (Being a smart ass BTW)
8:39 the link arm is completly rusted through!!!
Best case for the mustang. I make low 6 figures and have a Bullitt as a weekend car. My trainer makes 1/3 that and has an auto eco boost vert. We both love our cars the same. Great job Ford.
Loving my HPP HP. Great gas mileage when I drive it like a "normal" person but can't always find the strength to do so. 200 lbs lighter up front than a GT and just a BLAST to drive in any corner. Spec'd out and cheaper than the PP2 GT. No brainer. 7th Mustang I've owned and over half were GT's and this one will smoke all of them. Nuff said.
You're so lucky man to have gotten an HPP ! I got a Roush RS1 Ecoboost since the HPP isnt sold in my country. I had mine optionally fitted with the Turbonetics NX2 and the enlarged Honeywell/Garret intercooler. Its plenty fast but its always nicer having a full factory car.
PP2 all day bro...Stock and I'm smokin you brother !!
@@A.ChristopherJohnson Should have got the non-ticking GT350 like my buddy.
Love my 2020 2.3L HPP with the handling package. I installed the Roush intake and it’s a blast to drive in the twisties. It’s amazing to me that you can get a Mustang with a pp2 package and magnaride for under 40k. Your video puts all the 4 bangers in the same bag and they are not all created equal. I personally would choose the HPP over the GT for balance and handling. IMHO.
Prefer Supercharger (Whipple/ Roush), because at 38,000 miles i had Turbine Lockup within the Turbos at 82°+. This is caused by Thermo Variations consider locations of Turbos Ford mounts them below for lower center of gravity. Problem is they're right next to the very hot engine. Ricers know this and mount them up high close to heat extraction hood vents. To keep them cooler, and not for show. Now the Turbo Shell expands like a donut 🍩, while it's being baked the outside expansion is outwards vs. Inside expansion is inward the hole gets smaller. The Blades expansion is outward to be larger to hit the Shell. Locking up the Turbine Blades, and then add the Backflow from the Intake and Downpipe to it to spool the the Turbos more.
My fuel mileage went from
32 mpg to 8-12 mpg. Glad for 2021 it'll have the GT500 engine package 5.0 V8
After rewatching this review I've determined that the only thing that's gonna scratch my itch is a z-pack. Thanks for your honesty
Anything in the 300-400hp is still fast. Would love to see how the RS engine version changes things though...
I think its the final drive gear that makes a big difference too. The low ratio diff in the PP cars really wake them up and they start to feel a lot more like GTs.
The Mustang is Fords most important non truck vehicle. There's a reason why their first fully electric vehicle is a "Mustang". It makes a lot of sense for them to keep trying to build as best a vehicle as they can.
There’s a guy out here who has one of these and has given it the full “ricer” treatment. He’s lowered it, spaced the wheels, opened up the grill, big spoiler, loud exhaust, and SUPER loud blow off valve. It always makes me kinda laugh because that guy loves his eco boost mustang but it sounds like a Japanese sports car lol
Honestly? Good for him. He's enjoying his car.
It’s on Thatdudeinblue channel I think ur talking about the one with gold wheels
@@Syncopia Anyone who mods their car is A-OK in my book, even if they're not mods I'd do.
That's the beauty of having a car you do whatever you want because you like it, it's not for anyone else to enjoy.
Good for him
I think the Mustang Ecoboost lives up to the spirit of the original Mustang. It's a stylish car at an affordable price. This car is perfect for someone who just needs a functional interior, don't care if it's all hard plastic or worse in quality than a Fiesta. Don't care that it handles bad, as long as it's as safe to drive as a Taurus, it's fine.
In many countries, the Mustang used to be a rich person's toy, now it's possible for upper-middle class people to own one, all thanks to the Ecoboost engine.
No one wants that 3.7 lmao 💀💀
I spec'd out an Ecoboost Mustang with all the performance package/handling package and I think it was well over $40k for it. It's quite a lot for an Ecoboost.
Dont pay msrp, spec out a gt same and it will be well over 50
A friend of mine got a high performance ecoboost, 6mt, with the handling package for under 34k. Great car.
Average loan amount for a vehicle in America is $32,480...
yup, there's one for 45.5k near me - HIPO, Premium, Magneride, etc. Nego down to 37. That's still a LOT (too much) for the 4 banger considering every S550 needs about $2000 in chassis fixes to drastically improve the balance and feel of the car.
Could wait 2 years and get it for $19000 used, just one non smoking, church on sunday,slow cooker beef roast cooking, elderly woman owner.
I finally drove one and it's a great car. It's fast enough not to be slow, and it's safe enough that burnouts were possible and easy to control. Also if you live in the north, as you say , not everyone can drive a 5.0 liter coyote ((I've got a Cobra for that) so you get a sporty, two door, good look mustang with good handle characteristics. If you wanna be pompus head in the sky racers, this isn't the car for that, but it's also $10-15k cheaper, better MPG, lighter, and you day to day driving experience will be similar until you mash the gas pedal..and even then you can still have as much fun as you should be having on public roads
I respect the Ecoboost mustang. Everyone doesn't need V8. Just a fun car with a lower cost of ownership.
Got a job in the past where I drove the eco boost and the 500 gt , no comparison , a huge v8 is what it is , but the eco boost is super fun to drive and awesome in its class with that 2.3 L engine , so fun and it looks simply great and beefy
Tighten your cheeks boys and save that deuce
I want to get lost in your ecoboost
And drive a 'Stang
Also, I heard this is the Mustang that the Japanese like.
@Robert Blackford Stolen from Regular Car Reviews. Their video on the Ecoboost Mustang is hilarious.
Best everyday car ever for someone who wants something fun, sexy af, and reasonably priced. Good gas mileage and 4 seats are a plus. Spec it right and it’s a beautiful car worthy of infinite praise.
Nissan370Z Glass In the right spec they look great. You ever driven one?
Nissan370Z Glass The 370Z is a dinosaur at this point, as old as the Dodge Challenger and it’s gotten way less updates than the Dodge
Ok Jack & Mark, if you two where to do the Bullitt car chase, who would be driving the Charger and who would be driving the Mustang?
I think Jack would be in the Charger, maybe it's the glasses.
The original vision of the Mustang was a performance car attainable by the masses - this is it.
I never imagined you guys would praise a simple "sport car". This was refreshing!
I've got a '15 V6 convertible. Within my budget, I had the choice between the extra two cylinders or a top that goes down. I live in a sunny state, and the car is a great daily driver. Long drives down twisty mountain roads are enjoyable and long drives are comfortable. Plus it didn't break the bank. It is a great value.
Good choice 👌
As somone who now owns a GT having enjoyed the 2.3T for a few years, my own driving experience really doesnt match this clinical and misleading review - on the one hand you flatter the ecoboost: to imply that it is much better on gas mileage than the GT just isn't true. If you 'baby' either engine, you can get 35 mpg on a flat highway, yeah, if you 'track drive' the GT it will sink down to approx 12mpg whereas the ecoboost can be pulled down as low as around 18mpg. BUT, for me, real world driving average has proven to be an identical 23 mpg in both cars. On the other hand, you are way too dismissive of the ecoboost's performance...all very "meh" in your view it seems: Yes my GT sounds a million times better than my ecoboost did, but it's only a tiny bit faster (I was getting 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my 2.3T) and given that the ecoboost is more nimble/agile and has got tons of low down torque, I reckon I would get a faster time around a very tight and twisty track in the 2.3 than I could in my GT (and that is why some car reviewers (on this side of the pond anyway), have referred to the GT as the 'posers car' but the 2.3T as the true drivers car. I can see why they would say that.
@Frank White even tho I traded mine (for a GT) I disagree with you for many reasons. have you driven one?
@Frank White Ok, if that's your experience, fine I won't argue. The fact that my 2.3t got 5.5s 0-60 is phenominal for engine size to car weight ratio and I am not sure that my GT would shave more than 0.5s from that at best - so I am perpleced by your "no power" comment. The savagegeese "saddles optional" review seems far more positive towards the 2.3T.
@Frank White ok, well let's agree to disagree. I found the low down power and nimbleness of the 2.3T to be anything other than "pathetic" in terms of ability to throw it round corners and to be competetative in road race scenarios - sure, you don't take it to a drag strip or expect high end power, as it's offering a different perfromance experience - to compare it with a 560hp car is kind of missing the point imho.
@Wakanda Forever Like I say, I don't want to argue mate, but you lost me - 550hp from svo 2.3 blocks in the 80s?
@@MrHammoreds where’s the guys comments?
I really wish we got a review of the “performance” version. Im sure an lsd alone would have made this car feel a lot better. Also, an after market tune would probably settle a lot of the timing issues. The GT350-500 cars are usually garage queens. I prefer cars that can be beat on, customized and enjoyed without feeling like your defacing a museum piece. I’m curious how a fully spec’d ecoboost vs a base GT compare in cost and performance?
They all have an lsd. The performance packs just get a torsen upgrade.
I drove the high performance ecoboost a few months ago, it definitely was a quick car, with the high performance model it does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds... that really isn’t “that” far off from the gt. If I were to get the ecoboost it would have to be the high performance model or I would just go to the Gt, because you definitely feel the difference in the regular ecoboost to the high performance, it’s definitely worth the couple grand. As a daily driver I would most definitely get the ecoboost, could I daily the Gt? Well yeah obviously but just as a daily, I’d prefer the high performance ecoboost.
I had a completely base EcoBoost that I did extensive suspension mods on and tuned conservatively. Was in for far less than a GT, and it was a real monster on track. The low down shove of the EcoBoost, especially when tuned, made getting out of corners a delight once the suspension could keep it there. Maybe the lighter nose played into that as well. Anyways, I sold that piece of crap and got a Z4M Coupe. Fun car, but not something I wanted to live with for an extensive time period.
You guys alternated between praising and crapping on this car. I'm no mustang fanboy, but this review was odd.
There are both good and bad things about this car. We just tried to take a entirely objective perspective view on this car.
Not sure why Mark dislikes this car so much. I respect his opinion, but I think he is comparing it to $100,000 cars in his mind and that is a bit silly. This is a very good performance RWD car. 300ish HP is absolutely enough power, more than you need on a daily basis. I would argue that anyone who spends huge money on a performance car looks stupid next to someone who buys something like this. The real expensive high end performance cars put out more power but it is all useless on the road in real life.
Not to mention if you do the work yourself you can have the thing beating GTS for about 2,000 bucks. Plus the ecoboost engine is making way more torque down low than a coyote for its equivalent horsepower. My EcoBoost really shines against GTS from a stop on the highway they give me a little more trouble but I win some and lose some. On the mountain road though it's no contest my car handles way better and is balanced better. Check it out I have vids of it on my channel.
Cmon Ford, just call the performance version of the 2.3 an SVO.
SVO was a division in Ford that no longer exists, so that name wouldn’t make any sense
"From an enthusiast's perspective, this car sucks" - Excellent example of gatekeeping. Especially when a parallel was drawn to a CrossCabrio, quite a low effort jab at those not making six figures and looking to balance performance and price. Perhaps your definition of an 'enthusiast' is someone that can afford to spend $60k or more. Accessibility and value shouldn't demote those that buy this car into a category of people that don't care about performance. The ecoboost in class comparison is capable and offers room for tuning and upgrades. If its not for you, thats cool, people are here to see your impressions, but when you categorize and label the level of performance as an indication of whether you are an enthusiast, it makes viewers doubt the objectivity of your reviews.