Calling this one a "Case Study" - see what I did there? The Planet Ocean is a favourite of ours but it has changed so much over the years and seems to continually get bigger, wider, thicker and more expensive. Will there ever be an end to this? 🥃
Absolutely on point. Actually a PO in grey titanium was my first diver. It looked gorgeous and given the lightness of the titanium, it was easy for me to overlook how it actually wears .. but meanwhile sold it for others and the thickness was one of the reasons. The sad part about it is, that I'm left with the impression that Omega's marketing and the outer appearance (design of the watches) led to a form over function situation (i.e. applicable function in daily use not the 600m WP)
The other question is: are people's wrists getting larger to accommodate these bigger watches? No,from a biological perspective. Andfrom an economic perspective, people's wallets are not getting fatter!
The best is the 2500, quantum of solas. Perfect size (42mm with acceptable lug to lug) , perfect bracelet, mat dial, nice presence and it s a James bond!! A futur collector as the 1st PO+007.
I've been saying this for years. Omega needs to make a Planet Ocean 300. No HEV, monochrome palette, 41mm, closed caseback, maximum 13mm. Ceramic dial and bezel insert. Just make the best possible version of the OG Seamaster 300. No faux patina, just use the design language of the OG 300 and make a modern professional diver with it.
Absolutely. If they did that - combined the best elements of the PO with the best elements of the 300 - they’d have the dive watch to beat all dive watches.
@@corner559guys are obsessed with slim and small at all costs… they basically just want every diver to be a Tudor Pelagos. Very nice watch! But boring. Nobody that actually dives for a hobby takes anything over $1000 as the crystal and case gets destroyed, you’ll have to service it, and check its water resistance frequently. Some folks are struggling with accepting that we’re spending thousands and thousands on toys/jewelry, not a “tool”. I think every watch should have an exhibition case back! Who cares about 1-2mm of thickness?
To each their own, bought a 43.5 black dial PO 2 years ago before the price hike. Wonderful watch and fantastic build quality. Frankly, wears smaller to me but i have decent size wrists. Out of all my Omegas, it’s probably my favorite.
Fun fact : I wish I would enjoy the 42mm SMP 300 but after trying on this and the 43.5mm PO I had to come to the conclusion that the PO gives a better wearing experience. And this comes from someone with a small wrist : the lug-to-lug is shorter on the PO and the bracelet is way better. I have smaller and more refined pieces and I like that the PO is the chunky and crazy watch in the box with splashes of orange.
Cheesy wave dial, skeletonized hands, dated, non-tapered bracelet, scalloped bezel that doesn't work when wet...the PO fixes everything I dislike in the 300M.
I can understand this Seb, L2L and bracelets can change the entire experience of a piece on the wrist. And must say, their Orange and White model has me returning to it again and again... it's always the small details that make all the difference. Thanks for sharing this 🥃
I have the exact same experience, both comparing it to the SMP300 and to my collection. The L2L and the bracelet make it more wearable, and just as you say, it gives that extra ruggedness to my collection. Of course, it's no longer that versatile desk diver that James Bond could just pull of with his tuxedo, but even Omega has that covered by other models already. I rather see the evolution of the model as the result of better segmentation within the Omega portfolio.
@@GrumblingForesightI was in Japan last year and found a very good condition 2201.50 42mm and picked it up for only $2800! They didn’t charge tax either because I had a U.S. Passport.
I’ve always loved the Planet Oceans. Had the first two generations in the past, both in black, and I loved the to bits. The build quality is second to none for a mass produced dive watch. Even in the first gen from 20 years ago can still hold a candle against current dive watches in terms of the build and finishing of the case and bracelet. To my eyes, they are some of the most handsome divers ever when seen from the front. However, like you said, it is its growing thickness that has stopped me from pulling the trigger on the 3rd gen models.
Summed it up excellently and thank you for sharing your experiences with these. Makes you think, with all they've managed to do in the last 20 years, how great would it be for them to readdress the original design now with all the tech (and modern components) - starting from scratching with a fantastic template? Unlikely to ever happen but hey🥃
@@ID-Guy agreed. hope we can all collectively will it into being. On another note, with how quiet Omega has been this year on the release front despite strong releaae from competitors (Rolex, Tudor, etc) as well as their own siblings (Longines for example), could it be due to the fact that Omega is doing just that? Going back to the drawing board after realising their areas of improvements? I sure hope so
Agree 100% with this analysis. My two cents: anyone can make a watch with any feature if the size constraints are removed. It takes a skilled company to create a svelte watch. Omega is skilled, but a bit lazy. They really need to focus on refinement now. Heck, if Longines can create slimmer GMT’s with the Spirit Zulu Time, why can’t Omega. A three hand Planet Ocean should be not be thicker than a Rolex GMT.
And it will only take a few adjustments to "facelift" these models and give them more life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to look back to where it all started and man... imagine using all they have now but consider the original 42mm & 45mm models as the baseplates (20 years later?) Lume the numerals, trim the cases, adjust the proportions... the community would go nuts! Well said here Chuck and thank you 🥃
The thickness problem. You hit it on the head indeed. I have a little thickness problem too so maybe that's why those watches suit me so good. Being old, ugly and a little obese, the watch I wear has to distract people from all that. Nice vid. Still waiting for a live one in the future.
I love OMEGA. I own a Speedy Mark 40. Great little watch. The Planet Ocean is really meant to be a true diver. The Planet Ocean shouldn’t be looked at as to how it fits under the cuff, but rather it’s true tool specs. Omega has some other excellent divers that can be worn as everyday watches. I have a 7” wrist, and I don’t know that I would wear a Planet Ocean as an everyday watch. The early 2000’s Planet Oceans are great watches, no doubt.
When I first saw the 2500 Planet Ocean with the orange bezel and orange strap I fell for it immediately and wished that I could afford one. It was perfect in size and the quarter Arabic numerals looked beautiful. Recently I saw the ceramic Emirates Team New Zealand Regatta timer online and couldn’t believe that it was 19mm thick. Bonkers! I love the Planet Ocean. It’s my favourite Omega Dive Watch. So much nicer than the SMP300m. I wish they would slim it down a little though. Ironically, saying that, I love the Ultra-Deep on the pass through strap but, that is a different beast altogether. Bring back the classic Planet Ocean for us Omega. We want a wearable Watch. Yet again, an excellent analysis of the topic boet. We need more puns too! 😉 Keep warm my friend and we’ll speak soon ✊
hey ID guy, this is the one model line that can and will alleviate the pain and void I feel for not having the original military issued SMP. Very under rated and least discussed Omega. You brought me some pain as I gazed at this one because I want to really, really bad but my budget may be tied up for now. Thanks
I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis regarding the size trend of the Planet Ocean. Perhaps an unintended consequence will be the renewed interest in their more “vintage” models of that line. Well done as always 🥃
Thank you Alvin and absolutely! I think more and more are heading towards 2010's pieces in general over 2020 models. Omega has somehow managed to drive many original customers to do it 🥃
1000% agree and terrific analysis as always! I’ve always loved this model line but was hesitant in buying because of the wearability due to the overly thickness. Same with the SMP 300, that’s why u love my 2254.50 so much. Maybe I should pick up a 1st gen PO model as well. Sometimes the old ways are just better!!
Great storytelling and accurate diagnosis of the problem. Omega sacrificed wearability for showing off technology. Hope they will course correct in the next decade.
My friend lent me his 2011 42mm Planet Ocean for a couple of weeks & it was perfect. Current models seem too ostentatious, so I agree with your observations.
I've been tumbling down the rabbit hole watching your latest clips over the weeks Jeff 😉 Your "Cul-De-Sac - Childhood Home" analogy was perfect...really made me think... and forced me to look up my childhood home that has been ransacked. Alas, we can never really return home 🥃
I personally love the current PO and own two of them. I also own a new Rolex SeaDweller and find the PO a nicer watch and at half the price. I'm considering selling my Seadweller now because it doesn't get worn much since i prefer the PO's much more
Absolutely spot on! I own a 2254 and believe that the cases for that era of Seamaster to be the best. In terms of wear it is far superior than the latest models. It’s a shame that all the latest movements can’t be made thinner to fit in these neo vintage cases… if they did… Rolex would have a proper fight on their hands
I am new to Omega. Always had Seikos. Have a number of nice Sla varients. Just bought a 2011 ? 42mm titanium planet ocean with the 8500 movement. What an outstanding watch. Wears small on my wrist. Very pleased with the size, not too big or thick. Great accuracy also. To me, a quality diver. I do wear seiko marine master 300 divers. Chunky ones! Makes this po seem small.
Great video and absolutely spot on, Omega are missing the mark with too many of their watches. It’s a shame, I’d like to collect more of their pieces but I just prefer slim watches.
I have the 39.5mm version of the Planet Ocean in black on steel bracelet and it’s a fantastic watch for everyday wear. I was considering the 43.5mm version but I was worried for everyday purpose it would be too thick
Omega done great with that line from a technological perspective, but from UX standpoint it stood still. It definitely needs a slimmer profile and an updated look. Thank brother for the great video 👍🏽🙏🏽
Imagine how great this range would be with a "facelift" - trimmer cases, neater proportions, matte finishes on the most important parts. Man, they'd have a winning formula all over again... and as always, my pleasure Abdul. It was fantastic chatting last weekend brother 🥃
To each his own. Obviously lots of people have been complaining about the thickness of the PO for years. But I wouldn’t change it if I could. Either you’re someone who enjoys the wearing experience of this, or you’re not. It’s a bit like the old Panerai Luminor that way. Not to say that folks shouldn’t continue to complain about the PO, if they want to. But the reason there continues to be a market for this is that there’s an audience for whom this is not a flaw, but a feature. Ymmv.
I have recently purchased the white dial orange ceramic version. Can not wait to get it, such a beautiful watch. I also have a SD43 that i feel wears very comfortable for a larger watch so I think this will wear very similar.
As an owner of the 45.5mm PO, with the solid case back, and short lugs, it is a big watch but not bulky. I don't wear it that often but truly enjoy it when I do. The lume is fantastic and there is a feeling of wearing a true tool watch, that can take anything I throw at it and keep precise time. Great content as always. Cheers!
I really want to love the Planet Ocean. I own the 2500 which is actually wonderful, but I still find it a bit too bulky. And I owned the 39.5mm 8800 caliber one, but that one was way too shiny (a watch for a rich kid cosplaying as a diver) - and the proportions just don't work for me, it's thicker than the 42mm 2500, but smaller. If I could wish for anything, I'd love to see a titanium Planet Ocean at around 40mm, and a tickness of about 12 or 13mm. Make it more matte and tool-like, and you can take my money.
I agree completely. To me the best model they have made is the 2200.50 with a 2500D in the back. Bring back that watch with a Liquid Metal bezel and they have an absolute winner.
Great point about the ceramic shininess too! Matte Ceramic with Titanium would be freaking unreal. Considering their latest GMT combines these two materials and it looks phenomenal... albeit, gargantuan 😆
The original 2500 PO, which I still have, was a home run. They shoulda stopped right there, it just got worse with every iteration. Maybe they'll reissue it soon 🤣
If I had to explain that this last week and a half has been about me going through and returning 4 different webcams - all of which haven't been compatible with my Mac and/or had terrible capture quality. I'm genuinely getting into gear for WSW but technology isn't my friend at the moment 😆 It's going to happen Rick 🥃
@@ID-Guy Awesome! Thats great news. I think it will go down really well. There doesn't seem to be much long form content for the fanatics. From a viewers perspective you really felt part of a comunity just watching. Hope you resolve your issues, it sounds like a ball ache
Omega produces wonderful watches. They push boundaries and innovate. The issue is that they have to many variations that confuses the general consumer. Collectors might see a model they like but they have probably researched and know what they are getting. A consumer tends to look for a watch they have known through pop culture icons like the Rolex Submariner or Omega Speedmaster. Trimming down he options actually strengthens the appeal. I guess in the end Omega produce what they want. It’s their business and I’m sure they are happy with the results. Rolex, AP and Patek obviously have more mystique today. Omega can’t achieve this status by raising prices. Tag Heuer is producing nice pieces as well lately but suffer from a similar problem. VW ran into this problem with their autos in past years. They were making sedans that were starting to head into luxury pricing. Price alone can’t make you into a luxury item. It’s more important to be the best in your price range. Tudor has hit the sweet spot. Good watches with some heritage and a famous big brother.
Folks have been waiting for the refresh for current gen PO for a while now, however without addressing the elephant in the room, the thickness of the movement, I doubt it will be any slimmer if not slightly thicker for the 39mm. Omega’s dimensions just never really work for me, where both the crown and Tudor offers a great variety of models with different sizes omegas is simply behind the game. Great vid, thanks brother
Outstanding review and take on the evolution of the Planet Oceans. I love both, with each having its place and expression of what it represents - the modern, more sizeable and ornate with all the proverbial bells, whistles, and options, but also really appreciate the early models that have the simplicity and refinement. Couldn't agree more that there is likely a growing interest in the earlier models for that reason. Omega seems to be doing a nice job of playing to a variety of tastes, but it is pushing the boundary of retaining the identity of the Planet Ocean. It will be interesting if this continues or becomes another model line.
Dear Mr IDGuy, Such beautiful watches with a strong presence and clean finish. Pity for me even the 39.5mm feels too big due to the thickness. Too too thick. Good for the bigger lads and ladess’s…❤ Lucky them!
Spot on review! I own the second generation 8500 series, 42mm. A bit thick but wears smaller than you would think because of the lug to lug distance. Huge fan of the sapphire case back. IMO, this is the best series, refined look from the 2500, matte dial and bezel, before the size increase, and glossy finishes came in. This watch has barely left my wrist since 2017. I did upgrade the clasp about a year ago to the new micro adjustment one though, and it is now the perfect watch!
i have always been drawn to the PO over the SMP300. but i love the first generation models, i started with the orange bezel/black dial 2500 model (like the one in your video on the orange rubber). i was then infatuated and purchased the liquid metal limited edition PO, one of my favorites in my collection.
Same could be said of the Submariner. Partly explains the enduring vintage trend. Older designs are often more aesthetically appealing, as Tudor and other brands have discovered.
Solid ep as always! And I agree, the PO gen 1 with its 2500 was the thinnest, and "neo classic" appearance with open 6 and 9, and almost perfect. But as we always say, there's no such thing as a perfect watch, I mean for the sake of balance, they could've removed that date window and replaced it with 3. I don't need the helium escape valve. And is it just me? But there are just way too many text on the dial! Yes you are totally right about PO going all wonky when they moved to gen 2 and 8500, you see, I really really wanted that all white PO right? But every time I tried it on, it just felt way too huge. It's just toooooo thick. I couldn't stomach it. Also you mentioned that smaller PO that's at 39.5. Have you tried it on? It's very nice, but since it's rather thick... as always, the balance felt so off and top heavy. Lastly, no I don't like chocolate cake lol.
The problem is, the 2500 has been the most problematic movement in Omega's recent history, having gone through 4 iterations before they finally moved on from it. That alone gives pause for many.
@@ErikL727 Well you are totally right about that, but then again it's not THAT weird considering Omega more or less brute forced co-axial into 2892-A2. That being said, as far as I understand it, revision D was a very stable release? Don't get me wrong, I know that co-axial is a great invention within the horological world, what I don't like is that subsequent releases of omega watches are just getting thicker and thicker with the combination of thicker movements and see thru caseback. I mean come on, like PO Oreo at 17mm thick compared to my SMP GMT at 13mm, that's pretty significant.
Didn't want to make my other post too long. I also wanted to add making a watch more water resistant and deeper diver while also making it slimmer would never keep the cost the same. We often gripe about what is missing with Omega lack of grade 5 titanium or bulky case not realizing some of the gripes are cost saving measures for us. With all the innovation the metas certification have given Omega watches we still complain about prices going up as if the brand needs to bribe us to buy a watch. It's unreasonable some of the asks without a bigger price.
Those earlier dial designs are very attractive, though that could be because we are looking at them through eyes conditioned to the taste for retro and vintage. I'm happy to go along with dial and hand changes but thickness is where they have gone wrong,. Decoration. In house movements, see through casebacks, and Metas taking priority. That's not to mention price which is another matter!!
I have a big wrist and that's why I got the newest 45.5 planet ocean chronograph. With how big and thick it is you can really fill you are wearing something special. I love it.
The first generation Planet Ocean 42mm 2500 models are to Omega what the 5 digit Submariners are to Rolex. They are perfect and have the most character of any modern Omega dive watch. It was my first real watch. Purchased in 2009, now doubled in price. It will stay with me until it's passed on to my son.
Been reading several comments about the co-axial movements being the reason for the thickness of the 2nd and 3rd generation POs. The 8900 movement is in fact slightly slimmer than Rolexes 3230. So thickness is likely not due to the movement. My guess is overall design, including the crystal and sapphire case back.
i 100% agree! although new models, look colors, but still Omega fans prefer the ones from 2000’s to 2012 and im one of them..i bought many of the modern Planet Ocean, but they only long las for 1 year…now i am enjoying my Casino Royale PO . One of the best PO Omega ever released!
Thank you Steve. Jokes aside, this one took many hours to edit BUT at the end of it all I actually said "Wow, this one is pretty decent" - a very rare case😉 Many thanks again sir (think I'll be injecting more humour into these videos in the future)
Happy owner of a 2201.50.00 that I bought last August. It gets lots of wrist time and relegated my Submariner to its box. Diameter and thickness of this watch are perfect in my view and the later models have just gained too much weight.
I just brought the Planet Ocean 43.4mm on the orange and black rubber strap. I’m a big lad to be fair and the watch doesn’t look that big at all. I love some of the Aqua Terra models and also some of the Constellation models but they would simply look feminine on me. They are indeed a niche watch but maybe that niche is simply properly built men 😂
Omega should just admit defeat and mimic the case size of the Rolex Submariner dimensions. Im an Omega fan btw but Rolex absolutely spanks them when it comes to case dimensions and bracelets. Not even close.
Have to agree with you here Derek. After all these decades, Rolex has never lost the edge by making monstrous cases (apart from their Deepsea's etc) The fact that even today you can find OP's, Datejusts, Subs, GMT's all in that 12.5 - 13mm thickness bracket and with excellent proportions, speaks volumes. - shows how great consistency can be when it comes to longevity 🥃
Nice video. Thickness of the watch also has to do with the design of the coaxial escapement. The Swiss lever escapement is thinner and there is no way around it. I have a Tokyo Olympics PO and it’s my go to travel watch.
I'm hoping we see something exciting from Omega (spent this week doing a 2023 recap and nothing from Omega really stood out at all) But I'm great thank you Tom! Took a week off from uploading last week to celebrate a significant birthday 😉 How are things going on your side of the world?🥃
@@ID-Guy Glad to hear and Happy belated Bday! I agree about Omega, they need to step up a bit soon, the upcoming white dial Speedy looks cool though. All good here thanks, still loving watches and enjoying your content and the hobby in general.
It’s worth stating that while they were competing with Rolex, Rolex didn’t make it 80 times bulkier. It is true, I too believe more people would be on the omega train if it mirrored the more planet/universal feel and usability and elegance of yesteryear
It's such an odd thing because they can make thin watches if they want to (looking at older Co-Axial models) Why they've felt this need to make them beefier and thicker is beyond a lot of us 🥃
I visited an Omega Boutique a few weeks ago and I could not believe the size of the PO not to mention the price. I purchased a 42 mm 2500 back in 2011. Even then, I thought it was a hefty watch. Never loved the bracelet due to the lack of micro adjustments and the "I am in between fit". Nevertheless, I bought it cause I loved the design. It is indeed a very special watch, especially when you consider the $2600 I spent back then. I would never buy the new ones. It is a monsterr in times when smaller is the thing again. Omega has completely lost it with the "in your face" design. I am already eyeing a Pelagos from Tudor. I love the "lighter" feel of it
This is what annoys me with in house movements. So often they are worse in some measurable way than ETAs, in this case their thickness. If little Nomos can figure it out why can’t Omega?
I love seeing the PO getting some airtime as I think it’s the best dive watch available ( biased Omega fanboy) 😀 The later ones have grown in every way and this follows the 300M in that way. They’ve lost the original charm and character. The new ones are technical power houses but maybe a bit, clinical? The pricing is off the charts now but this just follows all the brands. It’s pricing a lot of people out of the market. I got in early with my Gen 1 in 2011 and won’t part with it! 👍
Excellent analysis. I agree completely. Omega have totally lost their way with the current generation Planet Ocean. For a good analogy, watch the “Taco Town” Saturday Night Live skit - it’s the same kind of excess that Omega is engaging in.
Although I can understand that some find the current PO too thick and there would certainly be room for a thinner version with 300m water resistance in the range, the 43.5 mm version is exactly what I was looking for in a sports diving watch. In my opinion, the Submariner is far too often or almost always used as the reference model against which other watches have to be measured. I find this disastrous, because although the Sub is an icon, not every diving watch has to be elegant, flat and somewhat dull. For me, there are two watch categories in particular that can be larger and thicker: Flieger (45 mm no problem) and diving watches. the latter can also be more colorful and a bit fancy. And that's why I bought the PO in 43.5mm and orange/white. It's a cool summer watch with great contrast and a pinch of fun factor. Exactly what a Sub or Sea Dweller is missing. The thickness doesn't bother me at all with a wrist circumference of 19.5-20 cm. I think, however, that the ceramic version and also the watch on the rubber strap appear thicker. Going back to Rolex: If I were looking for a sports watch that I could wear almost anywhere, I would always prefer the GMT II over a Sub. That's why I'm on the waiting list for the new "Bruce Wayne" 😅
The significant one I shared on Instagram the other day? 😉 I'm thinking the review will happen by the end of this month (and the SOTC will be in January) Still haven't even wrapped my head around how I'm going to word the review video...
I tried both 39.5 and 43.5mm ... and the 39.5 wears too small but has a acceptable thickness ... bad the 43.5mm wears really big and thick (even though it wears smaller than its diameter suggests). The planet ocean collection lacks a 41mm with an acceptable thickness and that would be a banger
I have the watch in the thumbnail, but in 42mm. It's an absolute gem, better looking and more wearable than anything the current PO lineup. A bargain too, barely $2000.
Key phrase in the episode: "but of course they couldn't stop there" ...applies to almost everything going on with them from size, thickness, catalog bloat and of course price.
The planet ocean was never a "svelte" watch. The earlier ones tried to pretend they were, with a thinner midcase, but protruding case back The newer ones embrace thickness, and they wear quite nice because of it. The beauty if omega is in the case design. They cannot express this as well with thin case design.
My favorite Planet Ocean was the original Bond version from Casino Royale. Could be that the greatness of that first Craig/Bond movie had a bit of influence on my pick. Wouldn't mind a DBS to go with the watch either.
I had 2010 42mm variant; one of the last with the 2500 series calibre that I bought from the AD in early 2011 for $3500 Canadian. That's it. I wore it daily for almost 11 years and sold it and regret selling it to this day. Since that watch, Omega has turned the Planet Ocean from a universally loved, high value piece into an absolutely overpriced abomination. What a shame. Omega needs to actually engineer these pieces and get their pricing under control. Making these much thinner is a must and they could explore titanium editions, etc. At this point, there is no reason not to buy a regular Seamaster or to actually just send those funds to Tudor or Longines instead.
Fantastic background man and I'm sorry you had to let it go! Imagine what Omega could do to breathe life into this range again? Slimmer cases, matte finishes, adjusted proportions. There are so many opportunities BUT it seems like every year, they increase in size by a few microns and cost a bit more. Well said Marc 🥃
The Planet Ocean (black face, orange bezel) and the Breitling Navitimer were the two watches that lured me into this hobby as a teenager. Around 2018, I finally had the means to afford such watches, and the Planet Ocean is ungainly thick. Lovely watch, but if they could even reduce it to a still chunky 15.5 mm, I would be able to wear it. I've been waiting patiently for Omega to update the main Planet Ocean each year--they seem to have updated every watch in the collection except for the Planet Ocean. One day I will have my wish. For now, I'm wearing a black Seamaster 300m on the rubber strap.
Simple answer.... classic is timelessly beautiful...wile Morden all to often feels like, mismanagement & misdirected enthusiasm. The expression "if it's not broke don't fix it".. always comes to mind
I've got a gen1 PO and it's amazing was on my wrist almost exclusively for 10 years. It's amazingly well built, finished and durable. I don't find it too thick. I do agree the newer generations are too thick, although I'd still buy one. I've got watches from Rolex, Omega, Longines and a few others and still believe Omega builds the best overall piece of the bunch. My hope is the PO will get a little thinner on its next iteration and still provide top notch quality. The current PO is a real stunner but it is thick and doesn't go under a cuff very well.
I have an older version with the 8500 movement. Specifically, the 42mm titanium blue dial version. I will say it’s amazing! One of my most wearable, accurate, beautiful watch in my collection. Can’t say enough good about it.
@@Qjemuse Tough one. The 39mm wasn’t available when i bought my 42. If it was I likely would have gone 39. Here’s what else I would say….. my 6.75” wrist is right at the limit of what I personally feel looks ‘right’ for the 42mm version. If your wrist is the same or bigger - go 42. If it’s any smaller - the 39 is the way to go. Hope that helps!
@@walkerb1734 many thanks again. my wrist size is around 6.5" and a 39mm should look better. I also got a speedmaster reduced for the very same reason.
The planet ocean is arguably omega most important line because it’s the only link to the original seamasters but omega have completely lost their way with it
I have an OG planet ocean 42mm, I love it. It's my perfect dive watch, with a great linkage to the older seamaster 300. I can't deny that Bond was a bit of an influence, but I wouldn't have bought it unless it was lovely and versatile and badass.
As always another great video. The end user for this watch is anyone who needs to "flex", it's just too large and heavy to be a daily driver. Why has this been made, I assume Omega was told to make this watch, to compete with Rolex, and the margins probably justify it. and Yes, we are all waiting for the re-issue of the 165.04 Seamaster 300 As for the writer of your videos, don't fire him, let him grow into it, he'll find his way... ;)
@ID-Guy Thanks much for this particular video. As you may recall I used to own the Gen 1 2500C PO. It is easily the best version of the line. Shame to see the subsequent iterations get so out of hand, to the point of becoming unwearable for many. If they kept it at the original size Omega would still be selling truckloads of them...I dare say it would rival the Sub on many wrists. Cheers and Happy Holidays from Montana. ⌚👍🎄🥃
I know how much you enjoyed your PO David and thank you for this. It is such a pity that they've gone this way now...where they still are some of the most gorgeous divers out there BUT Omega themselves have somehow turned them into beasts 🥃
I agree with the way they “figured thickness” and presence on the wrist was paramount and relevant to their success. I think less is better. I have a Seamaster 300m professional in blue dial. I want to buy a Planet Ocean 43.5mm in black dial but is too thick. My other option is the Planet Ocean in 39.5mm but is too small for my preference. Why that cannot build a 43.5mm with only 1mm of thickness between than the 39.5mm, it can be done!! If it happens the 43.5mm can wear as small as the 300mm professional since the lug to lug of the 43.5 about 1 1/2 shorter than the Professional 300m. Great analysis and video!!!
I have the 232-30-42 from 2014. I love it and much like a Seiko a lot of the thickness disappears into my wrist. The best bit for me is the greying ceramic bezel insert 👍🔥🔥
The co axial movements are great but they are a bit too thick. Omega needs to work on a new generation of these movements, and focus on their thickness
I want to buy a recent Omega seamaster retail. I’m going to Hawaii in laws than a week. But it’s not easy to do since there are much better deals online and the prices are not practical. I know that all of these luxury brands are hefty in price. But Omega retail is just not worth it when the secondary market is more vast with deals and opportunities. This video made that point clearly.
I love my first generation 45.5mm, orange numeral masterpiece! It's my daily wear. I would like the liquid metal bezel vice the aluminum one, but that is the only thing I prefer of the later models.
I have the first Planet Ocean in the basic black color, 45mm. I love it. I also have two of the second generation, and even then, they were getting too thick. I have been telling my Omega Dealer (Korman in Austin TX) that the PO is way too thick for about 10 years. And yes, it has been at least 10 years since one appealed to me. The first generation had a style and class to it. The current ones are brutish looking. They have no grace. Another thing I have noticed on my first gen is that the crystal seems to disappear, and it seems you are looking directly at the dial and hands. The new ones don't do that.
I probably wrote on the other video that i prefer my 2531.80 SMP 300 but strangely enough i have a current production 8900 Planet Ocean (44mm i believe) and i think the proportions are great. At the larger case width and due to the domed crystal and bezel the 15mm thickness does not seem out of place. The bracelet on this watch transitions well to a modern dive watch design. I was attracted the the 600m WR. I got other watches for dressier applications. I should be honest tho. I have handled vintage Planet Oceans and modern SMP 300s but never owned or worn them for any significant time period.
I have the Casino Royale version. I sometimes regret not getting a 42mm 2500 but it's a great watch. I like the technology that's gone into the new ones, ceramic, metal etc but not as classy as the 2500 in my eyes.
Calling this one a "Case Study" - see what I did there? The Planet Ocean is a favourite of ours but it has changed so much over the years and seems to continually get bigger, wider, thicker and more expensive. Will there ever be an end to this? 🥃
Absolutely on point. Actually a PO in grey titanium was my first diver. It looked gorgeous and given the lightness of the titanium, it was easy for me to overlook how it actually wears .. but meanwhile sold it for others and the thickness was one of the reasons. The sad part about it is, that I'm left with the impression that Omega's marketing and the outer appearance (design of the watches) led to a form over function situation (i.e. applicable function in daily use not the 600m WP)
Hahah brilliant !
The other question is: are people's wrists getting larger to accommodate these bigger watches? No,from a biological perspective. Andfrom an economic perspective, people's wallets are not getting fatter!
@@certainly2509 well it kinda depends on how you see it, are people getting fatter? Most definitely yes.
This is the end, hold your breath and count to ten.
Haha, see what I did there…😂
Mr IDGuy, you rock. Plane and simple.
❤❤❤
The best is the 2500, quantum of solas. Perfect size (42mm with acceptable lug to lug) , perfect bracelet, mat dial, nice presence and it s a James bond!! A futur collector as the 1st PO+007.
I've been saying this for years. Omega needs to make a Planet Ocean 300. No HEV, monochrome palette, 41mm, closed caseback, maximum 13mm. Ceramic dial and bezel insert. Just make the best possible version of the OG Seamaster 300. No faux patina, just use the design language of the OG 300 and make a modern professional diver with it.
Here here! Huzzah! What this guy said! 👆
Oh, so just like my Steinhart Ocean One ceramic 42 mm😉
Absolutely. If they did that - combined the best elements of the PO with the best elements of the 300 - they’d have the dive watch to beat all dive watches.
why tf would you want a closed caseback? Worst idea ever.
@@corner559guys are obsessed with slim and small at all costs… they basically just want every diver to be a Tudor Pelagos. Very nice watch! But boring. Nobody that actually dives for a hobby takes anything over $1000 as the crystal and case gets destroyed, you’ll have to service it, and check its water resistance frequently. Some folks are struggling with accepting that we’re spending thousands and thousands on toys/jewelry, not a “tool”. I think every watch should have an exhibition case back! Who cares about 1-2mm of thickness?
To each their own, bought a 43.5 black dial PO 2 years ago before the price hike. Wonderful watch and fantastic build quality. Frankly, wears smaller to me but i have decent size wrists. Out of all my Omegas, it’s probably my favorite.
Fun fact : I wish I would enjoy the 42mm SMP 300 but after trying on this and the 43.5mm PO I had to come to the conclusion that the PO gives a better wearing experience. And this comes from someone with a small wrist : the lug-to-lug is shorter on the PO and the bracelet is way better. I have smaller and more refined pieces and I like that the PO is the chunky and crazy watch in the box with splashes of orange.
Cheesy wave dial, skeletonized hands, dated, non-tapered bracelet, scalloped bezel that doesn't work when wet...the PO fixes everything I dislike in the 300M.
I can understand this Seb, L2L and bracelets can change the entire experience of a piece on the wrist. And must say, their Orange and White model has me returning to it again and again... it's always the small details that make all the difference. Thanks for sharing this 🥃
I have the exact same experience, both comparing it to the SMP300 and to my collection. The L2L and the bracelet make it more wearable, and just as you say, it gives that extra ruggedness to my collection. Of course, it's no longer that versatile desk diver that James Bond could just pull of with his tuxedo, but even Omega has that covered by other models already. I rather see the evolution of the model as the result of better segmentation within the Omega portfolio.
The earlier Planet Oceans look SO much better than the modern ones. This is the only watch I regret selling.
Same here. I’m keeping an eye out for a mint 42mm gen 1 aka the Quantum of Solace Planet Ocean.
@@GrumblingForesightI was in Japan last year and found a very good condition 2201.50 42mm and picked it up for only $2800! They didn’t charge tax either because I had a U.S. Passport.
@@svfutbol20 ooh thats a gorgeous beast! Wear it in good health
Same with the original release circa 2000 of the TAG Huerer Link series. Then it evolved and devolved from its original release.
I’ve always loved the Planet Oceans. Had the first two generations in the past, both in black, and I loved the to bits. The build quality is second to none for a mass produced dive watch. Even in the first gen from 20 years ago can still hold a candle against current dive watches in terms of the build and finishing of the case and bracelet. To my eyes, they are some of the most handsome divers ever when seen from the front. However, like you said, it is its growing thickness that has stopped me from pulling the trigger on the 3rd gen models.
Summed it up excellently and thank you for sharing your experiences with these. Makes you think, with all they've managed to do in the last 20 years, how great would it be for them to readdress the original design now with all the tech (and modern components) - starting from scratching with a fantastic template? Unlikely to ever happen but hey🥃
@@ID-Guy agreed. hope we can all collectively will it into being. On another note, with how quiet Omega has been this year on the release front despite strong releaae from competitors (Rolex, Tudor, etc) as well as their own siblings (Longines for example), could it be due to the fact that Omega is doing just that? Going back to the drawing board after realising their areas of improvements? I sure hope so
Agree 100% with this analysis. My two cents: anyone can make a watch with any feature if the size constraints are removed. It takes a skilled company to create a svelte watch. Omega is skilled, but a bit lazy. They really need to focus on refinement now. Heck, if Longines can create slimmer GMT’s with the Spirit Zulu Time, why can’t Omega.
A three hand Planet Ocean should be not be thicker than a Rolex GMT.
And it will only take a few adjustments to "facelift" these models and give them more life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to look back to where it all started and man... imagine using all they have now but consider the original 42mm & 45mm models as the baseplates (20 years later?) Lume the numerals, trim the cases, adjust the proportions... the community would go nuts! Well said here Chuck and thank you 🥃
GMT the same thickness as a true diver? You're having a laugh.
The thickness problem. You hit it on the head indeed. I have a little thickness problem too so maybe that's why those watches suit me so good. Being old, ugly and a little obese, the watch I wear has to distract people from all that. Nice vid. Still waiting for a live one in the future.
I love OMEGA. I own a Speedy Mark 40. Great little watch. The Planet Ocean is really meant to be a true diver. The Planet Ocean shouldn’t be looked at as to how it fits under the cuff, but rather it’s true tool specs.
Omega has some other excellent divers that can be worn as everyday watches.
I have a 7” wrist, and I don’t know that I would wear a Planet Ocean as an everyday watch.
The early 2000’s Planet Oceans are great watches, no doubt.
When I first saw the 2500 Planet Ocean with the orange bezel and orange strap I fell for it immediately and wished that I could afford one. It was perfect in size and the quarter Arabic numerals looked beautiful.
Recently I saw the ceramic Emirates Team New Zealand Regatta timer online and couldn’t believe that it was 19mm thick. Bonkers!
I love the Planet Ocean. It’s my favourite Omega Dive Watch. So much nicer than the SMP300m. I wish they would slim it down a little though. Ironically, saying that, I love the Ultra-Deep on the pass through strap but, that is a different beast altogether. Bring back the classic Planet Ocean for us Omega. We want a wearable Watch.
Yet again, an excellent analysis of the topic boet. We need more puns too! 😉 Keep warm my friend and we’ll speak soon ✊
hey ID guy, this is the one model line that can and will alleviate the pain and void I feel for not having the original military issued SMP. Very under rated and least discussed Omega. You brought me some pain as I gazed at this one because I want to really, really bad but my budget may be tied up for now. Thanks
I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis regarding the size trend of the Planet Ocean. Perhaps an unintended consequence will be the renewed interest in their more “vintage” models of that line. Well done as always 🥃
Thank you Alvin and absolutely! I think more and more are heading towards 2010's pieces in general over 2020 models. Omega has somehow managed to drive many original customers to do it 🥃
I do like the bronze gold 300M in the Vintage collection.
1000% agree and terrific analysis as always! I’ve always loved this model line but was hesitant in buying because of the wearability due to the overly thickness. Same with the SMP 300, that’s why u love my 2254.50 so much. Maybe I should pick up a 1st gen PO model as well. Sometimes the old ways are just better!!
Great storytelling and accurate diagnosis of the problem. Omega sacrificed wearability for showing off technology. Hope they will course correct in the next decade.
Technology that is let's be realistic here no better than Rolex by a large margin either.
My friend lent me his 2011 42mm Planet Ocean for a couple of weeks & it was perfect. Current models seem too ostentatious, so I agree with your observations.
I've been tumbling down the rabbit hole watching your latest clips over the weeks Jeff 😉 Your "Cul-De-Sac - Childhood Home" analogy was perfect...really made me think... and forced me to look up my childhood home that has been ransacked. Alas, we can never really return home 🥃
@@ID-Guy Awesome. Thanks. I love your content.
I personally love the current PO and own two of them. I also own a new Rolex SeaDweller and find the PO a nicer watch and at half the price. I'm considering selling my Seadweller now because it doesn't get worn much since i prefer the PO's much more
Totally 👍
What is the ref # on your SD and price you are asking?
The 40mm non ceramic SD4000 is better than both the new SD and any PO. That's a proper toolwatch.
Absolutely spot on! I own a 2254 and believe that the cases for that era of Seamaster to be the best. In terms of wear it is far superior than the latest models. It’s a shame that all the latest movements can’t be made thinner to fit in these neo vintage cases… if they did… Rolex would have a proper fight on their hands
I am new to Omega. Always had Seikos. Have a number of nice Sla varients. Just bought a 2011 ? 42mm titanium planet ocean with the 8500 movement. What an outstanding watch. Wears small on my wrist. Very pleased with the size, not too big or thick. Great accuracy also. To me, a quality diver.
I do wear seiko marine master 300 divers. Chunky ones! Makes this po seem small.
Great video and absolutely spot on, Omega are missing the mark with too many of their watches. It’s a shame, I’d like to collect more of their pieces but I just prefer slim watches.
I’ll go as far as saying this model Planet Ocean is Omegas best dive watch, from a looks, variety, sizes, price, one watch collection standpoint.
I have the 39.5mm version of the Planet Ocean in black on steel bracelet and it’s a fantastic watch for everyday wear. I was considering the 43.5mm version but I was worried for everyday purpose it would be too thick
I agree. I have the 39.5 and it’s one of their best divers at the moment. It really doesn’t get the attention it deserves.
Omega done great with that line from a technological perspective, but from UX standpoint it stood still. It definitely needs a slimmer profile and an updated look. Thank brother for the great video 👍🏽🙏🏽
Imagine how great this range would be with a "facelift" - trimmer cases, neater proportions, matte finishes on the most important parts. Man, they'd have a winning formula all over again... and as always, my pleasure Abdul. It was fantastic chatting last weekend brother 🥃
To each his own. Obviously lots of people have been complaining about the thickness of the PO for years. But I wouldn’t change it if I could. Either you’re someone who enjoys the wearing experience of this, or you’re not. It’s a bit like the old Panerai Luminor that way. Not to say that folks shouldn’t continue to complain about the PO, if they want to. But the reason there continues to be a market for this is that there’s an audience for whom this is not a flaw, but a feature. Ymmv.
I have recently purchased the white dial orange ceramic version. Can not wait to get it, such a beautiful watch. I also have a SD43 that i feel wears very comfortable for a larger watch so I think this will wear very similar.
As an owner of the 45.5mm PO, with the solid case back, and short lugs, it is a big watch but not bulky. I don't wear it that often but truly enjoy it when I do. The lume is fantastic and there is a feeling of wearing a true tool watch, that can take anything I throw at it and keep precise time. Great content as always. Cheers!
I really want to love the Planet Ocean. I own the 2500 which is actually wonderful, but I still find it a bit too bulky. And I owned the 39.5mm 8800 caliber one, but that one was way too shiny (a watch for a rich kid cosplaying as a diver) - and the proportions just don't work for me, it's thicker than the 42mm 2500, but smaller. If I could wish for anything, I'd love to see a titanium Planet Ocean at around 40mm, and a tickness of about 12 or 13mm. Make it more matte and tool-like, and you can take my money.
I agree completely. To me the best model they have made is the 2200.50 with a 2500D in the back. Bring back that watch with a Liquid Metal bezel and they have an absolute winner.
Great point about the ceramic shininess too! Matte Ceramic with Titanium would be freaking unreal. Considering their latest GMT combines these two materials and it looks phenomenal... albeit, gargantuan 😆
Loved my 2500d only needed the micro adjust and it would have been the best omega ever☺️
The original 2500 PO, which I still have, was a home run. They shoulda stopped right there, it just got worse with every iteration. Maybe they'll reissue it soon 🤣
Please dude, we need our dose of 'Wrist-Shot Week'. I know it must be a lot of work to put together but everyone really loved that show.
If I had to explain that this last week and a half has been about me going through and returning 4 different webcams - all of which haven't been compatible with my Mac and/or had terrible capture quality. I'm genuinely getting into gear for WSW but technology isn't my friend at the moment 😆 It's going to happen Rick 🥃
@@ID-Guy Awesome! Thats great news. I think it will go down really well. There doesn't seem to be much long form content for the fanatics. From a viewers perspective you really felt part of a comunity just watching. Hope you resolve your issues, it sounds like a ball ache
Omega produces wonderful watches. They push boundaries and innovate. The issue is that they have to many variations that confuses the general consumer.
Collectors might see a model they like but they have probably researched and know what they are getting. A consumer tends to look for a watch they have known
through pop culture icons like the Rolex Submariner or Omega Speedmaster. Trimming down he options actually strengthens the appeal. I guess in the end Omega
produce what they want.
It’s their business and I’m sure they are happy with the results.
Rolex, AP and Patek obviously have more mystique today.
Omega can’t achieve this status by raising prices. Tag Heuer is producing nice pieces as well lately but suffer from a similar problem. VW ran into this problem with their autos in past years. They were making sedans that were starting to head into
luxury pricing. Price alone can’t make you into a luxury item.
It’s more important to be the best in your price range.
Tudor has hit the sweet spot.
Good watches with some heritage and a famous big brother.
The 39.5mm version is very wearable. Its thickness of 14mm and lug to lug distance of 45mm make it a highly versatile watch.
It's a real beauty in the family... Imagine how much fun they could have with this range if they expanded it?? 🥃
Folks have been waiting for the refresh for current gen PO for a while now, however without addressing the elephant in the room, the thickness of the movement, I doubt it will be any slimmer if not slightly thicker for the 39mm. Omega’s dimensions just never really work for me, where both the crown and Tudor offers a great variety of models with different sizes omegas is simply behind the game. Great vid, thanks brother
love my Seamaster Planet ocean calibre 2500 42mm I bought in 2010.
It’s a keeper for life and a true classy future classic.
Outstanding review and take on the evolution of the Planet Oceans. I love both, with each having its place and expression of what it represents - the modern, more sizeable and ornate with all the proverbial bells, whistles, and options, but also really appreciate the early models that have the simplicity and refinement. Couldn't agree more that there is likely a growing interest in the earlier models for that reason. Omega seems to be doing a nice job of playing to a variety of tastes, but it is pushing the boundary of retaining the identity of the Planet Ocean. It will be interesting if this continues or becomes another model line.
Dear Mr IDGuy,
Such beautiful watches with a strong presence and clean finish.
Pity for me even the 39.5mm feels too big due to the thickness.
Too too thick.
Good for the bigger lads and ladess’s…❤
Lucky them!
Spot on review! I own the second generation 8500 series, 42mm. A bit thick but wears smaller than you would think because of the lug to lug distance. Huge fan of the sapphire case back. IMO, this is the best series, refined look from the 2500, matte dial and bezel, before the size increase, and glossy finishes came in. This watch has barely left my wrist since 2017. I did upgrade the clasp about a year ago to the new micro adjustment one though, and it is now the perfect watch!
Tengo ese problema. Es un reloj perfecto, pero le falta microajuste. Podrías darme la referencia de cierre que le has puesto?
i have always been drawn to the PO over the SMP300. but i love the first generation models, i started with the orange bezel/black dial 2500 model (like the one in your video on the orange rubber). i was then infatuated and purchased the liquid metal limited edition PO, one of my favorites in my collection.
Same could be said of the Submariner. Partly explains the enduring vintage trend. Older designs are often more aesthetically appealing, as Tudor and other brands have discovered.
Solid ep as always!
And I agree, the PO gen 1 with its 2500 was the thinnest, and "neo classic" appearance with open 6 and 9, and almost perfect. But as we always say, there's no such thing as a perfect watch, I mean for the sake of balance, they could've removed that date window and replaced it with 3. I don't need the helium escape valve. And is it just me? But there are just way too many text on the dial!
Yes you are totally right about PO going all wonky when they moved to gen 2 and 8500, you see, I really really wanted that all white PO right? But every time I tried it on, it just felt way too huge. It's just toooooo thick. I couldn't stomach it.
Also you mentioned that smaller PO that's at 39.5. Have you tried it on? It's very nice, but since it's rather thick... as always, the balance felt so off and top heavy.
Lastly, no I don't like chocolate cake lol.
The problem is, the 2500 has been the most problematic movement in Omega's recent history, having gone through 4 iterations before they finally moved on from it. That alone gives pause for many.
@@ErikL727 Well you are totally right about that, but then again it's not THAT weird considering Omega more or less brute forced co-axial into 2892-A2. That being said, as far as I understand it, revision D was a very stable release?
Don't get me wrong, I know that co-axial is a great invention within the horological world, what I don't like is that subsequent releases of omega watches are just getting thicker and thicker with the combination of thicker movements and see thru caseback.
I mean come on, like PO Oreo at 17mm thick compared to my SMP GMT at 13mm, that's pretty significant.
Speaking of big, I love my Seamaster Chronograph. It is thick and large but proportionality balanced.
Didn't want to make my other post too long. I also wanted to add making a watch more water resistant and deeper diver while also making it slimmer would never keep the cost the same. We often gripe about what is missing with Omega lack of grade 5 titanium or bulky case not realizing some of the gripes are cost saving measures for us. With all the innovation the metas certification have given Omega watches we still complain about prices going up as if the brand needs to bribe us to buy a watch. It's unreasonable some of the asks without a bigger price.
Love the way they're nowadays !!!!!
Those earlier dial designs are very attractive, though that could be because we are looking at them through eyes conditioned to the taste for retro and vintage. I'm happy to go along with dial and hand changes but thickness is where they have gone wrong,. Decoration. In house movements, see through casebacks, and Metas taking priority. That's not to mention price which is another matter!!
I have a big wrist and that's why I got the newest 45.5 planet ocean chronograph. With how big and thick it is you can really fill you are wearing something special. I love it.
Agree completely. Omega should have never changed the 2500 PO.
The first generation Planet Ocean 42mm 2500 models are to Omega what the 5 digit Submariners are to Rolex. They are perfect and have the most character of any modern Omega dive watch. It was my first real watch. Purchased in 2009, now doubled in price. It will stay with me until it's passed on to my son.
I agree - one of the reasons why I don’t have any Omegas yet are their case thicknesses and bracelets.
Been reading several comments about the co-axial movements being the reason for the thickness of the 2nd and 3rd generation POs.
The 8900 movement is in fact slightly slimmer than Rolexes 3230. So thickness is likely not due to the movement. My guess is overall design, including the crystal and sapphire case back.
i 100% agree! although new models, look colors, but still Omega fans prefer the ones from 2000’s to 2012 and im one of them..i bought many of the modern Planet Ocean, but they only long las for 1 year…now i am enjoying my Casino Royale PO . One of the best PO Omega ever released!
This is without a doubt the best video you've ever done. Kudos! Oh, and it's nice to see you use a little humor.
Thank you Steve. Jokes aside, this one took many hours to edit BUT at the end of it all I actually said "Wow, this one is pretty decent" - a very rare case😉 Many thanks again sir (think I'll be injecting more humour into these videos in the future)
Happy owner of a 2201.50.00 that I bought last August. It gets lots of wrist time and relegated my Submariner to its box. Diameter and thickness of this watch are perfect in my view and the later models have just gained too much weight.
Well said Jim and thank you for your input on these! 🥃
I just brought the Planet Ocean 43.4mm on the orange and black rubber strap. I’m a big lad to be fair and the watch doesn’t look that big at all. I love some of the Aqua Terra models and also some of the Constellation models but they would simply look feminine on me.
They are indeed a niche watch but maybe that niche is simply properly built men 😂
Omega should just admit defeat and mimic the case size of the Rolex Submariner dimensions.
Im an Omega fan btw but Rolex absolutely spanks them when it comes to case dimensions and bracelets. Not even close.
Have to agree with you here Derek. After all these decades, Rolex has never lost the edge by making monstrous cases (apart from their Deepsea's etc) The fact that even today you can find OP's, Datejusts, Subs, GMT's all in that 12.5 - 13mm thickness bracket and with excellent proportions, speaks volumes. - shows how great consistency can be when it comes to longevity 🥃
Thanks, great Sunday morning coffee video 👍
My pleasure to share Rich! Thank you sir! 🥃
Nice video. Thickness of the watch also has to do with the design of the coaxial escapement. The Swiss lever escapement is thinner and there is no way around it. I have a Tokyo Olympics PO and it’s my go to travel watch.
Next year will be interesting for the Planet Ocean, Seamaster Pro and BB58 imo. Hope you're well mate!
I'm hoping we see something exciting from Omega (spent this week doing a 2023 recap and nothing from Omega really stood out at all) But I'm great thank you Tom! Took a week off from uploading last week to celebrate a significant birthday 😉 How are things going on your side of the world?🥃
@@ID-Guy Glad to hear and Happy belated Bday! I agree about Omega, they need to step up a bit soon, the upcoming white dial Speedy looks cool though. All good here thanks, still loving watches and enjoying your content and the hobby in general.
I hope all three get overhauled.
It’s worth stating that while they were competing with Rolex, Rolex didn’t make it 80 times bulkier. It is true, I too believe more people would be on the omega train if it mirrored the more planet/universal feel and usability and elegance of yesteryear
In my opinion, the only big disadvantage of omega is its thickness. They need to get closer to their 90s models.
It's such an odd thing because they can make thin watches if they want to (looking at older Co-Axial models) Why they've felt this need to make them beefier and thicker is beyond a lot of us 🥃
Love my PO as worn by JB. Still the best looking watch ever created IMHO.
I visited an Omega Boutique a few weeks ago and I could not believe the size of the PO not to mention the price. I purchased a 42 mm 2500 back in 2011. Even then, I thought it was a hefty watch. Never loved the bracelet due to the lack of micro adjustments and the "I am in between fit". Nevertheless, I bought it cause I loved the design. It is indeed a very special watch, especially when you consider the $2600 I spent back then. I would never buy the new ones. It is a monsterr in times when smaller is the thing again. Omega has completely lost it with the "in your face" design. I am already eyeing a Pelagos from Tudor. I love the "lighter" feel of it
This is what annoys me with in house movements. So often they are worse in some measurable way than ETAs, in this case their thickness. If little Nomos can figure it out why can’t Omega?
I love seeing the PO getting some airtime as I think it’s the best dive watch available ( biased Omega fanboy) 😀
The later ones have grown in every way and this follows the 300M in that way. They’ve lost the original charm and character. The new ones are technical power houses but maybe a bit, clinical? The pricing is off the charts now but this just follows all the brands. It’s pricing a lot of people out of the market. I got in early with my Gen 1 in 2011 and won’t part with it! 👍
Excellent analysis. I agree completely. Omega have totally lost their way with the current generation Planet Ocean. For a good analogy, watch the “Taco Town” Saturday Night Live skit - it’s the same kind of excess that Omega is engaging in.
Although I can understand that some find the current PO too thick and there would certainly be room for a thinner version with 300m water resistance in the range, the 43.5 mm version is exactly what I was looking for in a sports diving watch.
In my opinion, the Submariner is far too often or almost always used as the reference model against which other watches have to be measured. I find this disastrous, because although the Sub is an icon, not every diving watch has to be elegant, flat and somewhat dull. For me, there are two watch categories in particular that can be larger and thicker: Flieger (45 mm no problem) and diving watches. the latter can also be more colorful and a bit fancy. And that's why I bought the PO in 43.5mm and orange/white. It's a cool summer watch with great contrast and a pinch of fun factor. Exactly what a Sub or Sea Dweller is missing. The thickness doesn't bother me at all with a wrist circumference of 19.5-20 cm. I think, however, that the ceramic version and also the watch on the rubber strap appear thicker.
Going back to Rolex: If I were looking for a sports watch that I could wear almost anywhere, I would always prefer the GMT II over a Sub. That's why I'm on the waiting list for the new "Bruce Wayne" 😅
I like the GMT ones, great video and thanks for your opinion.
Great episode! When can we expect your first review of your latest watch purchase ?
The significant one I shared on Instagram the other day? 😉 I'm thinking the review will happen by the end of this month (and the SOTC will be in January) Still haven't even wrapped my head around how I'm going to word the review video...
Outstanding content. And correct, too. Rolex get sizes right. I wonder why Omega don't quite get that simple truth.
I tried both 39.5 and 43.5mm ... and the 39.5 wears too small but has a acceptable thickness ... bad the 43.5mm wears really big and thick (even though it wears smaller than its diameter suggests). The planet ocean collection lacks a 41mm with an acceptable thickness and that would be a banger
I found exactly the same. I just don't know why they can't make a 43.5mm or better still a 42mm PO with the same thickness as the 39.5mm PO!
Growing up getting into watches in the early 2000s the planet ocean was the 🐐 dive watch
You are correct ID Guy.
I have the watch in the thumbnail, but in 42mm. It's an absolute gem, better looking and more wearable than anything the current PO lineup. A bargain too, barely $2000.
Key phrase in the episode: "but of course they couldn't stop there" ...applies to almost everything going on with them from size, thickness, catalog bloat and of course price.
The planet ocean was never a "svelte" watch. The earlier ones tried to pretend they were, with a thinner midcase, but protruding case back
The newer ones embrace thickness, and they wear quite nice because of it. The beauty if omega is in the case design. They cannot express this as well with thin case design.
My favorite Planet Ocean was the original Bond version from Casino Royale. Could be that the greatness of that first Craig/Bond movie had a bit of influence on my pick. Wouldn't mind a DBS to go with the watch either.
Makes me appreciate my neo vintage 2254 even more.
The story of the Planet Ocean is ultimately a tragedy
Like some of the best stories are, you're right 😉 A Seamasterean Tragedy...
I had 2010 42mm variant; one of the last with the 2500 series calibre that I bought from the AD in early 2011 for $3500 Canadian. That's it. I wore it daily for almost 11 years and sold it and regret selling it to this day.
Since that watch, Omega has turned the Planet Ocean from a universally loved, high value piece into an absolutely overpriced abomination. What a shame.
Omega needs to actually engineer these pieces and get their pricing under control. Making these much thinner is a must and they could explore titanium editions, etc. At this point, there is no reason not to buy a regular Seamaster or to actually just send those funds to Tudor or Longines instead.
Fantastic background man and I'm sorry you had to let it go! Imagine what Omega could do to breathe life into this range again? Slimmer cases, matte finishes, adjusted proportions. There are so many opportunities BUT it seems like every year, they increase in size by a few microns and cost a bit more. Well said Marc 🥃
The Planet Ocean (black face, orange bezel) and the Breitling Navitimer were the two watches that lured me into this hobby as a teenager. Around 2018, I finally had the means to afford such watches, and the Planet Ocean is ungainly thick. Lovely watch, but if they could even reduce it to a still chunky 15.5 mm, I would be able to wear it. I've been waiting patiently for Omega to update the main Planet Ocean each year--they seem to have updated every watch in the collection except for the Planet Ocean. One day I will have my wish. For now, I'm wearing a black Seamaster 300m on the rubber strap.
Simple answer.... classic is timelessly beautiful...wile
Morden all to often feels like, mismanagement & misdirected enthusiasm.
The expression "if it's not broke don't fix it".. always comes to mind
I've got a gen1 PO and it's amazing was on my wrist almost exclusively for 10 years. It's amazingly well built, finished and durable. I don't find it too thick. I do agree the newer generations are too thick, although I'd still buy one. I've got watches from Rolex, Omega, Longines and a few others and still believe Omega builds the best overall piece of the bunch.
My hope is the PO will get a little thinner on its next iteration and still provide top notch quality. The current PO is a real stunner but it is thick and doesn't go under a cuff very well.
My experience with NKUWAN was fantastic. The watch arrived quickly and was exactly as described.
I have an older version with the 8500 movement. Specifically, the 42mm titanium blue dial version. I will say it’s amazing! One of my most wearable, accurate, beautiful watch in my collection. Can’t say enough good about it.
whats your wrist size?
@@Qjemuse 6.75 inches. My wrist is Definitely on the slim side. But the watch still doesn’t feel/look too big
@@walkerb1734 thanks for the reply. deciding between the 42 or 39.5
@@Qjemuse Tough one. The 39mm wasn’t available when i bought my 42. If it was I likely would have gone 39. Here’s what else I would say….. my 6.75” wrist is right at the limit of what I personally feel looks ‘right’ for the 42mm version. If your wrist is the same or bigger - go 42. If it’s any smaller - the 39 is the way to go. Hope that helps!
@@walkerb1734 many thanks again. my wrist size is around 6.5" and a 39mm should look better.
I also got a speedmaster reduced for the very same reason.
The planet ocean is arguably omega most important line because it’s the only link to the original seamasters but omega have completely lost their way with it
A Seamasterean Tragedy in a way, right? 😉
I have an OG planet ocean 42mm, I love it. It's my perfect dive watch, with a great linkage to the older seamaster 300. I can't deny that Bond was a bit of an influence, but I wouldn't have bought it unless it was lovely and versatile and badass.
2500D from 2009 is a KING !!! simple , beautiful , durable.
As always another great video.
The end user for this watch is anyone who needs to "flex", it's just too large and heavy to be a daily driver.
Why has this been made, I assume Omega was told to make this watch, to compete with Rolex, and the margins probably justify it.
and Yes, we are all waiting for the re-issue of the 165.04 Seamaster 300
As for the writer of your videos, don't fire him, let him grow into it, he'll find his way... ;)
I have three variations of the older SMP 300 (why) as they are essentially the same watch, it's the wearability just fits like a glove.
@ID-Guy Thanks much for this particular video. As you may recall I used to own the Gen 1 2500C PO. It is easily the best version of the line. Shame to see the subsequent iterations get so out of hand, to the point of becoming unwearable for many. If they kept it at the original size Omega would still be selling truckloads of them...I dare say it would rival the Sub on many wrists. Cheers and Happy Holidays from Montana. ⌚👍🎄🥃
I know how much you enjoyed your PO David and thank you for this. It is such a pity that they've gone this way now...where they still are some of the most gorgeous divers out there BUT Omega themselves have somehow turned them into beasts 🥃
I agree with the way they “figured thickness” and presence on the wrist was paramount and relevant to their success. I think less is better. I have a Seamaster 300m professional in blue dial. I want to buy a Planet Ocean 43.5mm in black dial but is too thick. My other option is the Planet Ocean in 39.5mm but is too small for my preference. Why that cannot build a 43.5mm with only 1mm of thickness between than the 39.5mm, it can be done!! If it happens the 43.5mm can wear as small as the 300mm professional since the lug to lug of the 43.5 about 1 1/2 shorter than the Professional 300m. Great analysis and video!!!
Excellent and thank you!
I have the 232-30-42 from 2014. I love it and much like a Seiko a lot of the thickness disappears into my wrist. The best bit for me is the greying ceramic bezel insert 👍🔥🔥
Only downside , lack of bracelet micro in that generation and I would have kept mine. Shame it would have been the perfect watch😊
“What ever they are feeding is obviously working” it’s the bulk phase, gonna be really ripped once they start cutting weight
Winter bulking for sure 😉 Man, there is so much they could do with these... a beautifully face-lifted collection would incredible! 🥃
The co axial movements are great but they are a bit too thick. Omega needs to work on a new generation of these movements, and focus on their thickness
I want to buy a recent Omega seamaster retail. I’m going to Hawaii in laws than a week. But it’s not easy to do since there are much better deals online and the prices are not practical. I know that all of these luxury brands are hefty in price. But Omega retail is just not worth it when the secondary market is more vast with deals and opportunities. This video made that point clearly.
I love my first generation 45.5mm, orange numeral masterpiece! It's my daily wear. I would like the liquid metal bezel vice the aluminum one, but that is the only thing I prefer of the later models.
I have the first Planet Ocean in the basic black color, 45mm. I love it. I also have two of the second generation, and even then, they were getting too thick. I have been telling my Omega Dealer (Korman in Austin TX) that the PO is way too thick for about 10 years. And yes, it has been at least 10 years since one appealed to me. The first generation had a style and class to it. The current ones are brutish looking. They have no grace. Another thing I have noticed on my first gen is that the crystal seems to disappear, and it seems you are looking directly at the dial and hands. The new ones don't do that.
The classic fade black to color gets me every time
I probably wrote on the other video that i prefer my 2531.80 SMP 300 but strangely enough i have a current production 8900 Planet Ocean (44mm i believe) and i think the proportions are great. At the larger case width and due to the domed crystal and bezel the 15mm thickness does not seem out of place. The bracelet on this watch transitions well to a modern dive watch design. I was attracted the the 600m WR. I got other watches for dressier applications. I should be honest tho. I have handled vintage Planet Oceans and modern SMP 300s but never owned or worn them for any significant time period.
Omega really needs to integrate the Helium valve into the case, instead of having that big wart at 10 o’clock.
I have the Casino Royale version. I sometimes regret not getting a 42mm 2500 but it's a great watch. I like the technology that's gone into the new ones, ceramic, metal etc but not as classy as the 2500 in my eyes.