If Im in Alaska I'm definitely going .338 wm or .338 Lepua for the exact reason of the grizzly bears!!! Boy sighting in my old .338 win mag it literally penetrated through a thick massive tree at 100 yards I was very impressed. The .338 slugs sure do smack very hard!!! I love my .300 and it does great out in the west but it definitely has its limits as in yea will be good in Alaska but man I know what those grizzleys can do and if they charge I want the biggest thumper possible! Moose meat is the best meat on the planet hands down it tastes sweet like theres a little brown sugar infused in the meat!!!! Elk at #2
Personally I have a Ruger No.1 chambered in .338WM. I have taken two moose, including a big bull and a roedeer with it. I am very pleased with the performance of the cartridge..
I have and use two different 338 Winchester rifles for hunting Elk in Utah. We hunt in areas where the range we find elk at ranges from 50 to 350 yards in the High Unita Mountains at 6500 to 8000 feet elevation
I absolutely love my lapua. But I hike arpund with my 308 till I find an elk out of range go back to my truck and grab the lapua. You definitely don't pack it around but with the mini 50cal muzzle break the recoil is very minimal close to a 243. I reload both its fun.
Funny! I listen to the podcast on my way to the range twice a week on my drive in and back home… gradually working through all the old poddies and the occasional recent one… this is the first time I have actually seen the host. One minute in and I thought I know that voice and then realised the channel I was on. Keep up the good work! 🏆🤘 All the best from the UK 🇬🇧
I had the pleasure of doing a share and shoot with the British Army in Afghanistan once and had the immense pleasure of shooting the L115A3 with a suppressor on it (cool factor). They doped the scope for me, but I was able to put all 10 rounds that I shot on a 10" plate at 1000 yards. Since then, I've always wanted one. Although a bit (way) out of my price range, I've always wanted one. I will have a .338 LM, although not that one. I'm 5'5" and 120lbs and the recoil was just fine to me. Just really fell in love with the rifle. About as much love for it as the McMillan TAC-50.
I have used a 6mm Rem and a 30-06 for 4 decades . I bought a 338 LM because of it's accuracy and greater power at longer distances for Dangerous NA game .
The .338 Lapua seems to be mispronounced by everyone in the United States I think mainly because how our language sounds in English, but in Finish it’s something completely different. The correct pronunciation of the word Lapua is actually (Lop-pwah) said all together. So now you know and can impress your friends with your newly gained knowledge, LOL.
Actually not true at all. Not sure where you got that from but as a finnish citizen and having lived in Lapua Finland it is pronounced almost exactly like in this video.
I’m new to these calibers but first thoughts are I like the sound of .338 Lapua Magnum. If it’s more accurate at longer range it’s definitely going to be at shorter range. I just want to hit every target every time consistently.
You did a really good job going over these three calibers. Very in-depth and precise. Personally I would not hunt with a 338 Lapua, that amount of muzzle blast and recoil would much better be suited to a 416 Remington. I use the 338 WinMag with a 200 grain SST or 210 grain Partition on hogs. This is typically all done under 200 yards. But a buddy of mine in Alaska uses the 338 with 250 grain Partitions on brown bear. It’s his favorite load. But to tell the truth, my favorite all-around cartridge is the 300 H&H. It requires 3 to 4 grains less powder, for the same velocities as a 300 WinMag. It’s just a much more efficient cartridge, and nothing cycles more smoothly in a bolt action. Since you often talk about African hunting, you should do a spot on the venerable 300 H&H. By the way, even compared to the new 300 PRC, I just did a little test, and the 300 H&H was using 7.25% less powder of H4831SC to acquire the same velocity. Nothing new under the sun, and this includes a 300 WinMag. I also prefer the 308 Norma to 300 WinMag. Both of these were the modern replacement for the 300 H&H, but I don’t think either did any better.
I agree with your assessment of the .338s. A 338 Win Mag with a 250gr Partition would be deadly on bear indeed! That's also a good idea about the .300 H&H. Might need to keep that one in mind...
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog - I found your channel looking for African hunts. Can you think of anything that says African hunting, like the old British cartilages? The 300 Holland & Holland is just classic. Winchester was looking for a cheaper solution, not a better one when it came up with the 300 Win. It’s powder consumption is less efficient, and has a much shorter neck than the H&H. Please don’t think I’m stuck in the past, or nostalgic about an old caliber. The darn thing works very very well. The 300 WSM matches the performance, but it can be finicky in a cheap rifle.
@Jess Hadlock - The 300 WinMag is by no means a bad cartridge, but there is no advantage to it over the other 30 calibers. I’ve never reloaded for a 308 Norma, but I can definitely tell you the 300 H&H and 300 WSM have advantages in efficiency. The 300 H&H can handle much heavier projectiles and at faster velocities than the 300 WinMag as well. It’s my least favorite of the 30 calibers. Keep in mind, when Winchester and Norma were developing their respective cartridges, they were trying to match the 300 H&H performance in a standard long action, they weren’t even trying to better it, just match it. It’s less expensive for a manufacture to put a cartridge in a common long action, then using the magnum action required for the 300 H&H. And so it becomes marketing’s job to convince you that a less expensive product is better lol. The 300 Weatherby is indeed one hell of a thumper, it is incredibly flat shooting. Although, personally I stepped up to a 338 WinMag in exchange for the overbore and muzzle blast. I prefer the frontal diameter and being able to use a heavier projectile, but that’s more of a personal choice. No one is going to argue the effectiveness of the 300 Weatherby.
I like the 300 H&H also I’ve shot the 300 Winchester magnum and the ultra magnum and of the three calibers the 300 H&H is really accurate with what ever I have loaded the 300 Winchester magnum is more finicky and the 300 ultra magnum is accurate if you can handle the recoil I had to put a muzzle break on mine because when I was hunting elk and was shooting up hill or down hill I would get a scoped eye even though it had a Leupold scope with 4 inches of eye relief and you know what that does for accurate shooting so now with the break the recoil wasn’t bad if you like muzzle breaks
@ Frank B. A. - Re: "I also prefer the 308 Norma to 300 WinMag. Both of these were the modern replacement for the 300 H&H, but I don’t think either did any better." The selling point of 300 WM was originally that it would work in a standard long-action rifle, rather than requiring a magnum-length receiver. But having a magnum-sized receiver isn't all bad. The shoulder and case body on those traditional Holland and Holland magnums - 300 H&H and 375 H&H - is very gradually tapered, which leads to very reliable and smooth feeding, which is something you want when facing big or even dangerous game in the field. They are also accurate, easier on your shoulder than many hot-rodded modern magnums, and have all that tradition and pedigree behind them, years upon years of success hunting around the world. What's not to like?
Had them all. I like 338win in an hunting rifle, but its also pretty impressive in an rifle built with an 28" barrel and gets decent velocity with 300gr projectile.
I use the .338WM for Wyoming antelope and Arizona Coues deer on up through elk in the lower 48. In Alaska I use the .375 Ruger as my one rifle for all game. That’s because of the bears and how handy the Ruger Guide Gun is, 20” Barrel, compared to my 26” Barrel .338WM.
Great video! I’ve got the Savage FCP in 338 Lapua and would not want to lug that thing hunting even being on the lighter side for a 338 Lapua, it’s just a fun (but expensive) gun to shoot at distance. For big game I’d go 300 win mag, for smaller deer size I stick with 270 or 6.5CM.
I have a Savage stealth evolution in 338 LM . Mine is 16 pounds loaded and I don't mind the weight as it's not an " every hunt " rifle . I do agree with your point and use my 40x clone in 30-06 match or My much lighter 6mm Rem as I have for 4 decades . Happy hunting Sir
Don't know if it interests you, but Sako makes a hunting rifle in 338 Lapua, which isn't by any means a tactical or target rifle. It's simply a very well-executed hunting rifle. Sako isn't cheap, but they make great products.
Ive owned a .338 wm and I currently own a .300 wm I had the .338 wm in a Ruger M77 stainless, I loved the rifle and how it was built it just had a bad barrel on it, it was a gift for guiding a guy to his forst archery bull so I just sold the rifle, I used to buy cheaper rifles like $500-700 and I just didn't like the feel of them, even the Winchester 110 ultra light its got a proof research barrel great barrel but the rest of the gun just feels cheaper and for a $1200 rifle I just wanted more so I stepped up and went Christensen MPR and boy I love the rifle!!! Its shooting key holes at 300 yards and often and at 100 yards Im in shock at how well this rifle shoots!!! I plan on building a Christensen Ridgeline in 6.8 Western it's hitting 17% harder then the 6.5 PRC at 500 yards and 34% harder then the 6.5 Creedmore! Winchester made the best round with the most foot pounds at 500 yards and up without hitting a magnum rifle, it really is a short action almost magnum and that's just what I was looking for in a deer gun, was also going to throw a can on the rifle I was shocked at how much they quiet the gun down and how these cans make the rifle group better! I also love these new rangefiners that do the calculations for you when you insert your round information. I have a chronograph so that helps. I do eventually want to build a long range .338 ill probably go .338 Norma Magnum since the military is now using it so they should be making a lot more ammo and seeing how they shoot a heavier round to buck that wind is exactly what I want in a long range round, the .338 Norma Mag has some of the best ballistic coefficient hence why the military have picked the round as a sniper rifle AND IN A BELT FED MACHINE GUN!!!! WOW
My 300 Win Mag has served well as my main hunting rifle in north central British Columbia, particularly for moose, black bears and up in the mountains for sheep and goats When I wanted more oomph for grizzly bears, I chose the 375 H&H, as I was offered the opportunity to purchase a Remington Model 700 BDL Safari Grade in 375 H&H If I ever make it to Africa for Cape Buffalo and Plains Game, these two rifles are going with me
I hunt in Alaska for moose and bear and use the Savage 111 LRH with 300gr but use an ATV to get to my hunting spots so weight is not an issue. I always have my 45-70 with for close encounters tho. I have taken a moose with a 338 win mag and can tell you it kicks far harder then my Lapua 111, the 111 with muzzle brake is a pussy cat.
Great video. A lot of information. I would have liked to see the information for the 225 grain 300 WM bullets. It was mentioned and then wasn't in any of the charts. The 338's are the way to go on big game as the larger diameter bullets mentioned. I know from experience the 35 Whelen is very effective on black bear. Especially with the bullet technology available. Something that I think should be considered is making an ethical shot. How far is too far.
If my grandpa can down a charging brown bear here on the Yukon. With an AR-15 back when they 1st came out with them AR-15s. By mag dumping into the bear i approve of a single well placed shot by that 35 whelen
Due to some bad reloading info I was pushing 230gr ELD-X Hornady in excess of 3450 fps, I suspect some were fragmenting upon exiting the muzzle as no impact on 2x3fft paper. Now toned down to 2900-3000fps they are very accurate and very lethal to all north american game at beyond 500m, though I dont think it's ethical to hunt at ranges within it's upper capabilities
I have a .338 WM rifle that I liked pretty much, but I never shot an elk and so I didn't really need it. Also I think the bedding has gone bad, or possibly at my age I can no longer shoot it accurately, I don't know. I don't shoot it any more. But if I was younger I'd have a definite preference for the .338 WM. The Lapua cartridge is crazy; I would not bother with it.
I am not a hunter, I just enjoy playing with different calibers. Got my first experience recently with 300 win mag when I came across a great deal on a Ruger number 1. Came across a good deal today on a scoped Howa 1500 in 338 win mag, guess that will be my next rifle.
Way more overbore and muzzle blast. Yes, much flatter shooting, but what are the advantages over a 338 WinMag at practical hunting distances. I don’t see it. If you absolutely must have a flat shooting 30 caliber, I think a 300 Weatherby would be the most practical.
Similar ballistics of the 338 Lapua can be had by buying, 340 Weatherby, 338 RUM, 338-378 Weatherby, 33 Nosler, 330 Dakota, 338 A Square, 338 Excaliber and 338 Canadian magnum.
I see videos in which many of these rifles are compared but I have never seen one comparing the .300 Weatherby with any of them. Most of my life the .300 Weatherby was considered the flattest shooting rifle in the hunting world.
Would love to own a .338 lapua rifle but just like the .50 rifles only usually for shooting long range and therefore unrealistic to own unless near a super long range gun range or in the mountains. So I would settle for the .300/.308winmag or the 6.5 Creedmoor depending on what your hunting. Plus still have capability to shoot 1000yrds
AAAHHHHH!!! The Lapua 338 Mag with Recoil Suppression and a Muzzle Brake Suppressor, Barnes TTSX BT 280 grain (high BC) and a very long barrel, of 30" or longer, can give a Ram or Sheep a "kiss of death" at about a mile. It is good for anything from varmints to the largest of Moose, Bison and all Bears. For the biggest and most dangerous of game, the Weatherby 460 Mag with the Barnes TSX FB 450 grain (low BC) and a moderate barrel, of 28" or so, will have a serious impact on the really big boys at up to around 300 yards, but better less than 500 yards. What is the difference in Rifle Weight when you consider that you might be packing less than 100# to over 1,000# of meat out several miles over rough terrain, such as Alaskan Mountains or difficult to walk on Tundra. In that case, the Rifle Weight is not really all that significant.
There are many advantages with the 300 Win Mag. and very little difference in performance. I've got a model 70 .300 Win Mag. It will bring down anything the Weatherby will.
Quite honestly I think the 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag vs 338 win mag would’ve made more sense. The 338 lapua just does not make any sense as a hunting cartridge unless your after pure long range hunting. Also. With all your videos you fail to mention your own experience with a specific cartridge. I can understand your reasons on wanting to be unbiased in your information you use in your videos. But hearing stories from your own hunting experience with a soecific cartridge would be awesome. What would be your favorite cartridges overall for medium to big game hunting? If you are able to a top 5 to 10 of your favorite calibers/cartridges for hunting and your favorite bullets for hunting In a video would be great I think. Would give a lot of perspective on what your thoughts are on a specific caliber and bullet would be great for deer sized game and likewise for elk size game. Anyway great channel
Fair enough Leonard. No reason I can't do that exact 7mm vs 300 vs 338 video in the future. I also appreciate your feedback and will definitely keep it in mind.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Your channel and website is awesome for the education of hunting cartridges overall. But to hear your insight on what your cartridges for hunting would be sounds interesting at least to me
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog True, but that doesn't mean the belt isn't a useless vestigal organ. On shouldered cartridges, the belt makes no mechanical sense and it complicates handloading. Belted cartridges are a great example of the stupidity of "we've always done it this way."
Forgive what May be a stupid question but I’m only just getting into hunting and couldn’t find anything online; is there a quality rifle that can reliably feed, chamber, and fire both the .300 win mag and the .338 win mag
I have owned a .338 magnum and have owned a .300 magnum. I have never owned a Lapua. As I only hunt in the lower 48 states I don't know of a reason I would ever need a 338 Lapua. I was not impressed with the .338 win. mag. or a 7mm Rem. mag. I owned. The .300 win mag is still in the family. It impresses me. In place of all my magnum rifles I now use a .35 Whelen if I want lots of power from a very efficient round. I have hunted and harvested my share of elk and I remember my longest shot within 400 yards and usually within 300 yards. At that kind of range the bc of a bullet means very little to me because I can depend on the bullet mass. Since I reload my ammo the economy of the 30-06 size case means a lot to me at this time.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Thanks for the reply happy you like the idea , unfortunately it's one of the really underrated and underappreciated calibres with the Super 30 AKA 300 H&H if you could make a video about them would be really great Best regards Romeo
All 3 are great calibers. But I will stick with my 308 and use the skills taught in the military to actually hunt and stalk my prey. Stay safe and happy shooting.
My long range buddies dad has the sniper school record, they dont play with any of these they shoot the MASSIVE anti aircraft 375 Cheytac lol they are nuts they have one bigger too cant remember the cal of it like a 416 Cheytac their scopes cost more then my rifle and scope combined and I have a sweet Christensen MPR .300 WM
.375 H&H or 30-378 Weatherby is to me the ultimate round. The 300 win mag i used for Pigs. I tend to get within 200 meters of my targets and is easily found and reloaded so to me its for me its the best practical.
If you just like having a big gun to noisemog dorks with ARs, dracos and linear comps at the range, .300WM works perfectly and is a good bit less money per shot.
browning bar discontinued the .338 win mag, but still makes the .300. is 30-06 less powerful than the .300 with virtually all cartridges ? i wouldve thought that hotter loads in a 30-06 would warrant it being included in this conversation, with potentially less recoil and cheaper ammo than the .300?
All of these new cartridges showing up and nobody has done a belt less version of the 338 wm. Hornady could have done it but cut the 375 ruger case to 2" instead of leaving it at the full 2.5".
The 340 Weatherby is just as powerful as the 338 Lapua. The 338 RUM is up there too. The 300 Weatherby will shoot 165 gr at > 3,300 fps mv. Want to shoot longrange without a lot of kick? 257 Weatherby 100 gr at 3,600.
Bought a big game gun couple years ago, and 338 win is a great choice but I wanted to long range also, I went with the lapua in a savage 110 FCP and couldn’t be more happier. Shoots the 300gr nosler’s very accurately, and is less than 11lbs. Great vid and info👍🏻
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I would say the recoil is more of a big push which isn’t that bad, vs my 270win is more of a snappy recoil. I have not drew on elk yet, so no I have not gone on a hunt with it yet.
Having owned all 3 cartridges, I can honestly say the 338 win mag is my favorite . Recoil isn't sharp, just a very manageable push. More economical to reload than the lapua and a little more thump than the 300 wm.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog 2 bull elk, 2 big mule deer bucks, 8 or 9 whitetail bucks, 2 wolves and a couple coyotes. I used Barnes 210 grain bullets and 70 grains of imr 4350 with federal gold match primers. If I remember right, I was getting 2903 fps through the chronograph. 3 shot groups off a bench at 100 yards would touch one another. 24" shilen barrel. I gave that rifle to my son in Alaska and he's smashed a moose and a caribou.
For the area people hunt in like Alaska the 338 is good. but for the lower part of u.s like elk deer black bear etc 270 win up to 300 mag is more common for what I see people carry and there is a lot of tru heart 30.06 fans out there thanks for sharing
I really enjoyed this comparison and how thoroughly everything was covered. I have had the privilege recently of shooting 338 Lapua and 33 XC. I have absolutely no reason to lug around platforms like these, with this much mustard. However, I am a long time sentimental to the 338 win mag. This is far more practical for me to use to humanely dispatch anything I'll ever hunt at ethical distances. So out of all the 33 bore cartridges, this should be what I would choose. Thank you very much for your time and effort in producing these videos as always!
If Im in Alaska I'm definitely going .338 wm or .338 Lepua for the exact reason of the grizzly bears!!! Boy sighting in my old .338 win mag it literally penetrated through a thick massive tree at 100 yards I was very impressed. The .338 slugs sure do smack very hard!!! I love my .300 and it does great out in the west but it definitely has its limits as in yea will be good in Alaska but man I know what those grizzleys can do and if they charge I want the biggest thumper possible! Moose meat is the best meat on the planet hands down it tastes sweet like theres a little brown sugar infused in the meat!!!! Elk at #2
338 win mag is the most ideal of these. Best blend of all.
Personally I have a Ruger No.1 chambered in .338WM. I have taken two moose, including a big bull and a roedeer with it. I am very pleased with the performance of the cartridge..
I have and use two different 338 Winchester rifles for hunting Elk in Utah. We hunt in areas where the range we find elk at ranges from 50 to 350 yards in the High Unita Mountains at 6500 to 8000 feet elevation
I just moved to Ogden from Texas, is the high unita mountains public or private hunting? I am hoping to head out this season.
My .338 Win Mag SAKO is pretty versatile. 200 gr is great for hogs, 230 gr Oryx works on deer moose and bears.
The 338wm is truly a real gem of a cartridge.
100%!
I absolutely love my lapua. But I hike arpund with my 308 till I find an elk out of range go back to my truck and grab the lapua. You definitely don't pack it around but with the mini 50cal muzzle break the recoil is very minimal close to a 243. I reload both its fun.
Funny! I listen to the podcast on my way to the range twice a week on my drive in and back home… gradually working through all the old poddies and the occasional recent one… this is the first time I have actually seen the host. One minute in and I thought I know that voice and then realised the channel I was on.
Keep up the good work! 🏆🤘 All the best from the UK 🇬🇧
I had the pleasure of doing a share and shoot with the British Army in Afghanistan once and had the immense pleasure of shooting the L115A3 with a suppressor on it (cool factor). They doped the scope for me, but I was able to put all 10 rounds that I shot on a 10" plate at 1000 yards. Since then, I've always wanted one. Although a bit (way) out of my price range, I've always wanted one. I will have a .338 LM, although not that one. I'm 5'5" and 120lbs and the recoil was just fine to me. Just really fell in love with the rifle. About as much love for it as the McMillan TAC-50.
338 lapua with a muzzle break isn't bad
Have a brake on 338 Lapua. Shoots like a .223 , charm.
Even better with a big suppressor.
@@neillstephenson5482 Suppressor all the way, slightly less recoil reduction vs a brake, but much more pleasant to shoot.
I have used a 6mm Rem and a 30-06 for 4 decades . I bought a 338 LM because of it's accuracy and greater power at longer distances for Dangerous NA game .
Very interesting. Have you had the chance to take your 338 LM hunting yet? If so, how did it perform for you?
The .338 Lapua seems to be mispronounced by everyone in the United States I think mainly because how our language sounds in English, but in Finish it’s something completely different. The correct pronunciation of the word Lapua is actually (Lop-pwah) said all together. So now you know and can impress your friends with your newly gained knowledge, LOL.
Thanks! Haha
Nope its cause we americans r ignorant
Is a short-barreled rifle pronounced car-bean or car-bine? Your opinion will end a century long international debate.
@@gonzo9827yes.
Actually not true at all. Not sure where you got that from but as a finnish citizen and having lived in Lapua Finland it is pronounced almost exactly like in this video.
That was great. I hunt elk and use the 338 win. Works. Great.
I’m new to these calibers but first thoughts are I like the sound of .338 Lapua Magnum. If it’s more accurate at longer range it’s definitely going to be at shorter range. I just want to hit every target every time consistently.
338 and 300 both are very popular in Alaska for moose and bears
338 lapua mag 225 gr. I have taken a gray squirrel and a red squirrel at over 150 yds .head shots afcorse. Ironman in Alabama 73s
You did a really good job going over these three calibers. Very in-depth and precise.
Personally I would not hunt with a 338 Lapua, that amount of muzzle blast and recoil would much better be suited to a 416 Remington.
I use the 338 WinMag with a 200 grain SST or 210 grain Partition on hogs. This is typically all done under 200 yards. But a buddy of mine in Alaska uses the 338 with 250 grain Partitions on brown bear. It’s his favorite load.
But to tell the truth, my favorite all-around cartridge is the 300 H&H. It requires 3 to 4 grains less powder, for the same velocities as a 300 WinMag. It’s just a much more efficient cartridge, and nothing cycles more smoothly in a bolt action.
Since you often talk about African hunting, you should do a spot on the venerable 300 H&H. By the way, even compared to the new 300 PRC, I just did a little test, and the 300 H&H was using 7.25% less powder of H4831SC to acquire the same velocity. Nothing new under the sun, and this includes a 300 WinMag. I also prefer the 308 Norma to 300 WinMag. Both of these were the modern replacement for the 300 H&H, but I don’t think either did any better.
I agree with your assessment of the .338s. A 338 Win Mag with a 250gr Partition would be deadly on bear indeed!
That's also a good idea about the .300 H&H. Might need to keep that one in mind...
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog - I found your channel looking for African hunts. Can you think of anything that says African hunting, like the old British cartilages? The 300 Holland & Holland is just classic. Winchester was looking for a cheaper solution, not a better one when it came up with the 300 Win. It’s powder consumption is less efficient, and has a much shorter neck than the H&H. Please don’t think I’m stuck in the past, or nostalgic about an old caliber. The darn thing works very very well. The 300 WSM matches the performance, but it can be finicky in a cheap rifle.
@Jess Hadlock - The 300 WinMag is by no means a bad cartridge, but there is no advantage to it over the other 30 calibers. I’ve never reloaded for a 308 Norma, but I can definitely tell you the 300 H&H and 300 WSM have advantages in efficiency. The 300 H&H can handle much heavier projectiles and at faster velocities than the 300 WinMag as well. It’s my least favorite of the 30 calibers.
Keep in mind, when Winchester and Norma were developing their respective cartridges, they were trying to match the 300 H&H performance in a standard long action, they weren’t even trying to better it, just match it. It’s less expensive for a manufacture to put a cartridge in a common long action, then using the magnum action required for the 300 H&H. And so it becomes marketing’s job to convince you that a less expensive product is better lol.
The 300 Weatherby is indeed one hell of a thumper, it is incredibly flat shooting. Although, personally I stepped up to a 338 WinMag in exchange for the overbore and muzzle blast. I prefer the frontal diameter and being able to use a heavier projectile, but that’s more of a personal choice. No one is going to argue the effectiveness of the 300 Weatherby.
I like the 300 H&H also I’ve shot the 300 Winchester magnum and the ultra magnum and of the three calibers the 300 H&H is really accurate with what ever I have loaded the 300 Winchester magnum is more finicky and the 300 ultra magnum is accurate if you can handle the recoil I had to put a muzzle break on mine because when I was hunting elk and was shooting up hill or down hill I would get a scoped eye even though it had a Leupold scope with 4 inches of eye relief and you know what that does for accurate shooting so now with the break the recoil wasn’t bad if you like muzzle breaks
@ Frank B. A. - Re: "I also prefer the 308 Norma to 300 WinMag. Both of these were the modern replacement for the 300 H&H, but I don’t think either did any better."
The selling point of 300 WM was originally that it would work in a standard long-action rifle, rather than requiring a magnum-length receiver. But having a magnum-sized receiver isn't all bad. The shoulder and case body on those traditional Holland and Holland magnums - 300 H&H and 375 H&H - is very gradually tapered, which leads to very reliable and smooth feeding, which is something you want when facing big or even dangerous game in the field. They are also accurate, easier on your shoulder than many hot-rodded modern magnums, and have all that tradition and pedigree behind them, years upon years of success hunting around the world. What's not to like?
Good video. All the info I was searching for was presented in a timley, no foolishness fashion.
Glad it was helpful!
Had them all. I like 338win in an hunting rifle, but its also pretty impressive in an rifle built with an 28" barrel and gets decent velocity with 300gr projectile.
I love my Christensen ELR in 338lapua shoots like a dream with a can on it. But man ammo is brutal if your not reloading.
Hmm. I have a Remington model 700 chambered in .338 Win. Was a gift from my dad. I've never shot it. Starting to think why!!
Great video thank you. Would love to hear you about the .35 Whelen or any wildcat using something like a .338 or .375 case and a .35 bullet
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
I use the .338WM for Wyoming antelope and Arizona Coues deer on up through elk in the lower 48.
In Alaska I use the .375 Ruger as my one rifle for all game. That’s because of the bears and how handy the Ruger Guide Gun is, 20” Barrel, compared to my 26” Barrel .338WM.
Great video! I’ve got the Savage FCP in 338 Lapua and would not want to lug that thing hunting even being on the lighter side for a 338 Lapua, it’s just a fun (but expensive) gun to shoot at distance. For big game I’d go 300 win mag, for smaller deer size I stick with 270 or 6.5CM.
Thanks Danny, glad you enjoyed it!
I have a Savage stealth evolution in 338 LM . Mine is 16 pounds loaded and I don't mind the weight as it's not an " every hunt " rifle . I do agree with your point and use my 40x clone in 30-06 match or My much lighter 6mm Rem as I have for 4 decades . Happy hunting Sir
Don't know if it interests you, but Sako makes a hunting rifle in 338 Lapua, which isn't by any means a tactical or target rifle. It's simply a very well-executed hunting rifle. Sako isn't cheap, but they make great products.
I would prefer a 300 Weatherby or a 300 Norma to a 300 Win Mag. The best of the lot is the 338 Lapua with a muzzel break.
marginal gains compared to the challenge of finding ammo for them... if you reload then absolutely!
I hate muzzle brakes even more than I hate shooting heavy recoiling guns from a bench.
Ive owned a .338 wm and I currently own a .300 wm I had the .338 wm in a Ruger M77 stainless, I loved the rifle and how it was built it just had a bad barrel on it, it was a gift for guiding a guy to his forst archery bull so I just sold the rifle, I used to buy cheaper rifles like $500-700 and I just didn't like the feel of them, even the Winchester 110 ultra light its got a proof research barrel great barrel but the rest of the gun just feels cheaper and for a $1200 rifle I just wanted more so I stepped up and went Christensen MPR and boy I love the rifle!!! Its shooting key holes at 300 yards and often and at 100 yards Im in shock at how well this rifle shoots!!! I plan on building a Christensen Ridgeline in 6.8 Western it's hitting 17% harder then the 6.5 PRC at 500 yards and 34% harder then the 6.5 Creedmore! Winchester made the best round with the most foot pounds at 500 yards and up without hitting a magnum rifle, it really is a short action almost magnum and that's just what I was looking for in a deer gun, was also going to throw a can on the rifle I was shocked at how much they quiet the gun down and how these cans make the rifle group better! I also love these new rangefiners that do the calculations for you when you insert your round information. I have a chronograph so that helps. I do eventually want to build a long range .338 ill probably go .338 Norma Magnum since the military is now using it so they should be making a lot more ammo and seeing how they shoot a heavier round to buck that wind is exactly what I want in a long range round, the .338 Norma Mag has some of the best ballistic coefficient hence why the military have picked the round as a sniper rifle AND IN A BELT FED MACHINE GUN!!!! WOW
If I'm in grizzly country I'll take the .338 Win Mag. every time.
My 300 Win Mag has served well as my main hunting rifle in north central British Columbia, particularly for moose, black bears and up in the mountains for sheep and goats
When I wanted more oomph for grizzly bears, I chose the 375 H&H, as I was offered the opportunity to purchase a Remington Model 700 BDL Safari Grade in 375 H&H
If I ever make it to Africa for Cape Buffalo and Plains Game, these two rifles are going with me
Black bears are not hard game to kill 308 is just fine for them dont need a mag on black bears
Nothing quite like the ole .375 when targets can bite back, HARD!
When I go to Africa I’m taking my Winchester M70 ‘a 375 H&H and 300 H&H.
I hunt in Alaska for moose and bear and use the Savage 111 LRH with 300gr but use an ATV to get to my hunting spots so weight is not an issue. I always have my 45-70 with for close encounters tho. I have taken a moose with a 338 win mag and can tell you it kicks far harder then my Lapua 111, the 111 with muzzle brake is a pussy cat.
I’ve owned all three of these calibers the only one I still own is the 338 Lapua magnum. Nothing comes close to it.
Thats a spicy pronunciation of lapua
Great video. A lot of information. I would have liked to see the information for the 225 grain 300 WM bullets. It was mentioned and then wasn't in any of the charts. The 338's are the way to go on big game as the larger diameter bullets mentioned. I know from experience the 35 Whelen is very effective on black bear. Especially with the bullet technology available. Something that I think should be considered is making an ethical shot. How far is too far.
If my grandpa can down a charging brown bear here on the Yukon. With an AR-15 back when they 1st came out with them AR-15s. By mag dumping into the bear i approve of a single well placed shot by that 35 whelen
Lien L Very well said and I believe you're right on
Due to some bad reloading info I was pushing 230gr ELD-X Hornady in excess of 3450 fps, I suspect some were fragmenting upon exiting the muzzle as no impact on 2x3fft paper. Now toned down to 2900-3000fps they are very accurate and very lethal to all north american game at beyond 500m, though I dont think it's ethical to hunt at ranges within it's upper capabilities
What chamber were you using.
how does the .338 lapua compare to these less popular or wildcat rounds .340 weatherby .338-378 weatherby
My favorite cartridge.. .300 WEATHERBY MAG...
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I have a .338 WM rifle that I liked pretty much, but I never shot an elk and so I didn't really need it. Also I think the bedding has gone bad, or possibly at my age I can no longer shoot it accurately, I don't know. I don't shoot it any more. But if I was younger I'd have a definite preference for the .338 WM. The Lapua cartridge is crazy; I would not bother with it.
Do not forget the price! guys 300 Win is #1 in my list . Great video friend :)
Good choice! Glad you enjoyed the video!
exactly why i went with 300 Win. even 50 cal is cheaper than 338 lapua
Have 300 Win mag and it’s a fantastic round with great plenty of umpires!
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I have the 300WM and the 338 WM. Both are excellent. I prefer the 338WM.
I am not a hunter, I just enjoy playing with different calibers. Got my first experience recently with 300 win mag when I came across a great deal on a Ruger number 1. Came across a good deal today on a scoped Howa 1500 in 338 win mag, guess that will be my next rifle.
i turned my 7mm rem mag into a 338 edge. Almost balistically the same as the lapua but a lot cheaper, i can use the original bolt.
338 lapua is a great varmit gun
Could you please do a 338win mag vs. .325WSM?
I am curious in the 300 rum versus the 338 WinMag
That's a good idea!
RUM will burn the barrel way faster.
Way more overbore and muzzle blast. Yes, much flatter shooting, but what are the advantages over a 338 WinMag at practical hunting distances. I don’t see it. If you absolutely must have a flat shooting 30 caliber, I think a 300 Weatherby would be the most practical.
Can you do a comparison between the
300 win mag
* 338/378 Weatherby mag
338 lapua
My buddy never shot a rifle said he new what he was doing. The scope on my 338 lapua went into his forehead.
Similar ballistics of the 338 Lapua can be had by buying, 340 Weatherby, 338 RUM, 338-378 Weatherby, 33 Nosler, 330 Dakota, 338 A Square, 338 Excaliber and 338 Canadian magnum.
True, but none of which are as popular or available in factory ammo or available rifle makes and models as the 338 LM.
This is an awesome video! Great info
Glad you liked it!
Another great video, thumbs up!
Thanks again!
Great video. Told me all I wanted to know.
Glad to hear it!
Very informational
Glad it was helpful!
My other rifle is a 257 Roberts useing hornaday lite-mags ammo
Could you test the 300WinMag with the Nosler 210 Accubonds Long Range at a velocity of 2815-2874 fps, BC is 0.730 according to Nosler's manual 8 ?
I want a 338 ... 388 WBY RPM, a Weatherby Backcountry 2.0 with a Banish 338
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I see videos in which many of these rifles are compared but I have never seen one comparing the .300 Weatherby with any of them. Most of my life the .300 Weatherby was considered the flattest shooting rifle in the hunting world.
Good point about the 300 Weatherby. It's not quite the flattest shooting rifle in the hunting world, but it's still really darn flat shooting.
Should of took out the 300win mag and put the 338rem ultra mag against them other two
Why bo comparison with the 340 weatherby it could not out run the 340 when it was introduced
Would love to own a .338 lapua rifle but just like the .50 rifles only usually for shooting long range and therefore unrealistic to own unless near a super long range gun range or in the mountains. So I would settle for the .300/.308winmag or the 6.5 Creedmoor depending on what your hunting. Plus still have capability to shoot 1000yrds
Great presentation
AAAHHHHH!!! The Lapua 338 Mag with Recoil Suppression and a Muzzle Brake Suppressor, Barnes TTSX BT 280 grain (high BC) and a very long barrel, of 30" or longer, can give a Ram or Sheep a "kiss of death" at about a mile. It is good for anything from varmints to the largest of Moose, Bison and all Bears. For the biggest and most dangerous of game, the Weatherby 460 Mag with the Barnes TSX FB 450 grain (low BC) and a moderate barrel, of 28" or so, will have a serious impact on the really big boys at up to around 300 yards, but better less than 500 yards. What is the difference in Rifle Weight when you consider that you might be packing less than 100# to over 1,000# of meat out several miles over rough terrain, such as Alaskan Mountains or difficult to walk on Tundra. In that case, the Rifle Weight is not really all that significant.
I got the Sako 85 long range 338 LM.
The 300wm or 338 win mag would have been smarter.
I chose my 300 weatherby over the 300 win mag it more powerful by 200 feet than the 300 win mag
There are many advantages with the 300 Win Mag. and very little difference in performance. I've got a model 70 .300 Win Mag. It will bring down anything the Weatherby will.
Quite honestly I think the 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag vs 338 win mag would’ve made more sense. The 338 lapua just does not make any sense as a hunting cartridge unless your after pure long range hunting. Also. With all your videos you fail to mention your own experience with a specific cartridge. I can understand your reasons on wanting to be unbiased in your information you use in your videos. But hearing stories from your own hunting experience with a soecific cartridge would be awesome. What would be your favorite cartridges overall for medium to big game hunting? If you are able to a top 5 to 10 of your favorite calibers/cartridges for hunting and your favorite bullets for hunting In a video would be great I think. Would give a lot of perspective on what your thoughts are on a specific caliber and bullet would be great for deer sized game and likewise for elk size game. Anyway great channel
Fair enough Leonard. No reason I can't do that exact 7mm vs 300 vs 338 video in the future. I also appreciate your feedback and will definitely keep it in mind.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Your channel and website is awesome for the education of hunting cartridges overall. But to hear your insight on what your cartridges for hunting would be sounds interesting at least to me
Why do belted cartridges that headspace from the shoulders still exist?
Lots of momentum behind them from 50+ years of use
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog True, but that doesn't mean the belt isn't a useless vestigal organ. On shouldered cartridges, the belt makes no mechanical sense and it complicates handloading. Belted cartridges are a great example of the stupidity of "we've always done it this way."
You're not wrong about the belt. That's also why newer rounds like the 6.8 Western and all three Precision Rifle Cartridges don't have one.
What about the 338 Lapua vs the 6.5 Creedmoor?
Haha, that would be a good one!
Great point Adam! Why is the.300 Mag compared to the .338Mag?
6.5 cm isn’t even in the same ballgame as these three. That’s like taking a sling shot squirrel hunting with your buddy that has a 22.
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Forgive what May be a stupid question but I’m only just getting into hunting and couldn’t find anything online; is there a quality rifle that can reliably feed, chamber, and fire both the .300 win mag and the .338 win mag
Good question. No, because those two cartridges use different diameter bullets, you will need to get two separate rifles to shoot them safely.
I have owned a .338 magnum and have owned a .300 magnum. I have never owned a Lapua. As I only hunt in the lower 48 states I don't know of a reason I would ever need a 338 Lapua. I was not impressed with the .338 win. mag. or a 7mm Rem. mag. I owned. The .300 win mag is still in the family. It impresses me. In place of all my magnum rifles I now use a .35 Whelen if I want lots of power from a very efficient round. I have hunted and harvested my share of elk and I remember my longest shot within 400 yards and usually within 300 yards. At that kind of range the bc of a bullet means very little to me because I can depend on the bullet mass. Since I reload my ammo the economy of the 30-06 size case means a lot to me at this time.
300WSM
Hi as usual the 300 rem.ultra mag an 338, one of the best left out
Blaser R8 in 338 LM 4.2 Kg
.300 win mag is best for me
The Answer = .340 Weatherby! 225@3100 250@2950
Nice video you only missing the 8x68s would be really great and helpful video.
Best regards Romeo
Glad you enjoyed the video. That's a good idea regarding the 8x68S.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Thanks for the reply happy you like the idea , unfortunately it's one of the really underrated and underappreciated calibres with the Super 30 AKA 300 H&H if you could make a video about them would be really great
Best regards Romeo
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Add .338 Norma Magnum and .300 Norma Magnum to the mix and you will have a video I will watch with great anticipation.
The 300 win mag has more ammo. The. Other two...and gets the job done...end of story
300wm or 338wm full boar
All 3 are great calibers. But I will stick with my 308 and use the skills taught in the military to actually hunt and stalk my prey. Stay safe and happy shooting.
Cost and recoil keeps me away from any of them. The would not be fun to shoot on a recreational basis .
My long range buddies dad has the sniper school record, they dont play with any of these they shoot the MASSIVE anti aircraft 375 Cheytac lol they are nuts they have one bigger too cant remember the cal of it like a 416 Cheytac their scopes cost more then my rifle and scope combined and I have a sweet Christensen MPR .300 WM
.375 H&H or 30-378 Weatherby is to me the ultimate round. The 300 win mag i used for Pigs. I tend to get within 200 meters of my targets and is easily found and reloaded so to me its for me its the best practical.
Whats the best for me? 7mm Rem Mag😁
340 weatherby mag
If you just like having a big gun to noisemog dorks with ARs, dracos and linear comps at the range, .300WM works perfectly and is a good bit less money per shot.
300wm is more than just noise though. You could take an elk at 700 yards with one of those.
338 lapua just in case you run into t-rex
Good point! :)
browning bar discontinued the .338 win mag, but still makes the .300. is 30-06 less powerful than the .300 with virtually all cartridges ? i wouldve thought that hotter loads in a 30-06 would warrant it being included in this conversation, with potentially less recoil and cheaper ammo than the .300?
Who cares how something’s pronounced. I am saving up to build a 300WM with AICS mag to hand load high bc 220 berger for long range target and hunting
All of these new cartridges showing up and nobody has done a belt less version of the 338 wm. Hornady could have done it but cut the 375 ruger case to 2" instead of leaving it at the full 2.5".
I read somewhere that they will have a 7 prc and a 33 prc , based of the longer 300 prc parent case. 👍🏻
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The 340 Weatherby is just as powerful as the 338 Lapua. The 338 RUM is up there too. The 300 Weatherby will shoot 165 gr at > 3,300 fps mv. Want to shoot longrange without a lot of kick? 257 Weatherby 100 gr at 3,600.
Where would 300 PRC fall here?
Very similar to the .300 Win Mag, but with a little more retained energy, slightly better ballistics, and a little more recoil.
Good info and video just hate that shirt
Haha, noted!
How about a 338 ultra mag that would be a better comparison
The 300 wins but there all powerful.
Best against body armor would be the 300.
Bought a big game gun couple years ago, and 338 win is a great choice but I wanted to long range also, I went with the lapua in a savage 110 FCP and couldn’t be more happier. Shoots the 300gr nosler’s very accurately, and is less than 11lbs. Great vid and info👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it! What's recoil like with that Savage 110? Have you had a chance to take it hunting yet?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I would say the recoil is more of a big push which isn’t that bad, vs my 270win is more of a snappy recoil. I have not drew on elk yet, so no I have not gone on a hunt with it yet.
Having owned all 3 cartridges, I can honestly say the 338 win mag is my favorite . Recoil isn't sharp, just a very manageable push. More economical to reload than the lapua and a little more thump than the 300 wm.
What's your favorite load for the 338 Win Mag and what all have you taken with it?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog 2 bull elk, 2 big mule deer bucks, 8 or 9 whitetail bucks, 2 wolves and a couple coyotes. I used Barnes 210 grain bullets and 70 grains of imr 4350 with federal gold match primers. If I remember right, I was getting 2903 fps through the chronograph. 3 shot groups off a bench at 100 yards would touch one another. 24" shilen barrel. I gave that rifle to my son in Alaska and he's smashed a moose and a caribou.
@@MrHyde-dt1sx Oh man there must have been nothing left of those coyotes lmao
Love my win.338 with 210 barns ttsx great results on moose and elk IMR 7828 powder
For the area people hunt in like Alaska the 338 is good. but for the lower part of u.s like elk deer black bear etc 270 win up to 300 mag is more common for what I see people carry and there is a lot of tru heart 30.06 fans out there thanks for sharing
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My 3 favorite Hunting Cal for Alaska I have !
338 RUM
338 Win Mag
300 Win Mag
Do you have issue finding brass for 338 RUM?
.340 Weatherby. 20 grains less than the Lapua and does the same thing.
I'm with you man. I bought my 340 30 years ago. It is tried and true.
I really enjoyed this comparison and how thoroughly everything was covered. I have had the privilege recently of shooting 338 Lapua and 33 XC. I have absolutely no reason to lug around platforms like these, with this much mustard. However, I am a long time sentimental to the 338 win mag. This is far more practical for me to use to humanely dispatch anything I'll ever hunt at ethical distances. So out of all the 33 bore cartridges, this should be what I would choose. Thank you very much for your time and effort in producing these videos as always!
Glad you enjoyed it! Good to hear from you as always Jeff!
I killed a 10’6 brownie with a 338.. was good. If I did it again, I would definitely use a 375 or better.
What bullet did you use in your 338 on that brown bear?
I know the .333 Jeffrey 300 grains were used with great success on Cape buffalo before minimum standards; also on tigers in India.