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Comedian Rich Hall goes west to find out what killed off that most quintessentially American of all film genres, the western. Through films such as The Searchers, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, Little Big Man, The Wild Bunch and Unforgiven, Rich charts the rise and fall of America's obsession with its own creation myth - the Wild West. He explores how the image of the cowboy as a moral, straight-talking heroic figure was created by Hollywood but appropriated by Washington, as one president after another sought to associate themselves with this potent symbol of strength and valour.
From Tombstone to Texas, Montana to Wyoming, Rich travels across a landscape that is both actual and mythic in the minds of not just Americans, but all of us. With his customary wit and intelligence he unpicks the truth from the fiction of Hollywood's version of frontier life, draws parallels between popular western narratives and America's more questionable foreign policy, and celebrates the real heroes of the west - John Ford, John Wayne, Sam Peckinpah, Arthur Penn and Clint Eastwood.
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Rich Hall is a national treasure!
Can't believe this only has 2K likes. Mr Hall is a very funny comedian but has enormous potential to move to documentaries with a sense of humour. Like Baldric did.
The collective Rich Hall docos are frickin great Thank you Rich
absolutely, just found these and haven't gotten a thing done since.
He's a great writer and performer.
I don't think I've ever seen Rich Hall do a stand up routine, but after watching this, I probably should. He has nailed this topic on the nose. I've thoroughly enjoyed this whole series of him explaining America and Americans to the Brits. I really like his style.
He's a veteran stand-up. Been around for ever, he made the rounds in the 80s.
Check out QI
I was a train driver at Reading station depot. Rich Hall was standing waiting for a train on platform 4. The down platform for heading west. I was going to the West end of the station to take a West bound local from a bay platform. I looked at him, he looked at me. Our eyes met. I nodded. He ignored me. For one glorious moment, I thought I was in Spain. Ennio Moricone erupted through my consciousness. Then the tannoy said 'The next train............ "
Fantastic. Ignoring celebs (or your heroes) is cool. Both parties go away happy!
This is the 2nd rich hall Documentary I have seen today. They are beyond excellent.
I know right? I've just discovered him, I feel I understand a lot more about the American experience. This bloke is erudite and insightful.
This is the kind of content the BBC should still be doing. Quality and smart.
I could listen to Rich Hall all day, every day.
He's not half bad is he, I have only come to know of him in later years but delighted to have nonetheless, a real smart and empathetic chap 😉👍
Rich Hall is more than just a sniglet. Great comedian / historian.
What the fuck is a sniglet?
@@grindelston5968 If it's not on Webster then look into Urban DIctionary. Tom, btw, is a real Rich Hall fan!
sniglet
(n.) A word that should be in the dictionary but isn't. The word is derived from an HBO show from the early 80s titled Not Necsessarly the News. Sniglets was a segment on the show by Comedian Rich Hall.
The word Musquirt was one of the many Sniglets, Its that runny stuff that comes out of the mustard bottle before the mustard does.
by John Ryan Byrd June 17, 2005
This is funny. Rich lives in London with a British wife and his film analyses are broadcast on BBC 4. Still, he's damned smart and funny.
@vunderground1 I think he spends his time between Montana and Arizona. I love his comedy
I live in east anglia but from Liverpool and have a grasp of Merseyside better than most, hardly uncommon...
He has a small ranch near Livingston, Montana, at which he lives part of the year.
Exellent, insightful and thought provoking. Can't remember a documentary I've enjoyed as much
Thanks for including Little Big Man. I very rarely hear it mentioned.
Rich Hall is the best. He was a regular on late night with David Letterman. Loved his book,Sniglets
This is so funny, I loved how Rich Hall took the piss out of both the Brits and our American cousins pointing out our respective hypocries.
Excellent documentary, but I have one problem with it: the comments about Sergio Leone's westerns. Rich clearly doesn't like or respect them, and I strongly disagree.
what he neglected to mention when talking about how unrealistic westerns were and are is that for people in the old west the most common form of unnatural death was not gunfire but horse riding accidents.
Or what’s probably included in that, accidents involving teams of horses and carts. Imagine working on your car with your dog in charge of the gas pedal.
"For a man of action, he spends a lot of time sitting." If Hall had added, "and eating donuts," he would be describing Steven Seagal perfectly.
I'd listen to a podcast by rich Hall anyday he's so funny and very entertaining 😂
While I love all of Rich Hall’s documentaries, including this one, I can’t help feel he is underestimating Sergio Leone’s influence on later film makers.
His raw talent for cinematography and cinematic originality, especially in The Good, the bad and the ugly, is unsurpassed by any of the great directors mentioned in this documentary. That film is pure brilliance.
Of course, this isn’t Rich’s focus when talking about films. He centers more on story depth, characters and representation of culture through cinema. But it would be have been nice with a cinematographial (yes I made that up) nod to Leone though.
"A friend will help you move house, a good friend will help you move a body." Rich Hall (priceless.
I said that 25 years ago.
PS: Correction, I was reminded by a family member that I said it 45 years ago.
In western mythology “Apaches” attacked in vast swarms of mounted warriors. In reality the several bands of actual Apaches seldom put more than a few dozen warriors out on raids, horses were hard to maintain in the severe wilderness the Apache retreated to, so warriors were frequently on foot. Their incredible toughness & determination fooled the US military into thinking there were hundreds of Apache striking all over when it was usually dozens, on foot, running single file in one another’s tracks, a pebble held in their mouth to deter thirst, covering more miles in one night than soldiers on horseback could cover in several days. AND, they had to secure their women & children during these raids. This near-supernatural fighting ability & the Apache’s penchant for torture & mutilation is why the Americans & Mexicans feared them so. Some writer called them “…the tigers of the human race.”
History is usually more interesting, you have me hooked. I would watch this movie!
I believe General Crook put forth that description. But at one time the Apache were located in the southern plains until the Comanche kicked them out.
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Check out "Ulzanas Raid." Burt Lancaster and Richard Jaeckel.
@@mcleod300my favourite movie
One glaring omission : Te Quick and the Dead [1995], which comes across to me as a parody of a spaghetti western.
Wow, you managed to make a doco about Western movies without acknowledging Once Upon a Time in the West! I am impressed! 😲
RFG! Very insightful. McCabe & Mrs. Miller is my favorite. Wish you could continue - Dead Man, Westworld, Lucky, Nope....
Although "The Magnificent Seven" was based on Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, that film was actually Kurosawa's personal tribute to John Ford.
Such a work of history. Such a work of Art. Bravo Mr. Hall.
So I interesting. Really enjoyed Rich Hall , so informative . Tells it straight. I'm hooked
I can remember when I got over John Wayne, finally seeing him for the pretty much one dimensional actor he was in my late teens. What is sad is how simplistic movies have been baked into the American self vision, the heroic cavalry coming over the hill crest to save the settlers when in reality Custer and a general who's name I cannot remember, maybe Sheridan, literally wiped out whole villages of native Americans in vile massacres. And Ronald Reagan as cowboy? The only thing I ever saw him do, other than play president, was shill for Borax.
Other than that a great review of the western. I hope some day the US will get over the idea that the solution to every problem is a gun, too many are stuck in that way of thinking.
What I found fascinating from these movies is how the young female lead is usually in love with someone old enough to be her father. I wonder if it was the projection of the writer's sexual fantasies? No 18 year old woman I have met wants a man in their 40's
Watch the searchers and red river.
@John wayne more because the audience liked to see beautiful young women, that will never change
What I found ridiculous was that John Wayne played Ghenghis Khan in the Conqueror. What I didn't know until last year was that the set was riddled with radioactive materials and many of the cast including John Wayne died of cancer as a consequence.
Go sip tea head back to England natives tell u the same Nancy
Im English and grow up watching Raw Hide which got me into Western films and wanting to ride the trail etc.
this was a very BBC production, I've been around too long to fall for this wholly negative history of the western, there was far more to them than the political dogma of the day and present day seeks to inject
That was well done. It's hard to include more than was presented but 'Lonely Are the Brave' would have fit well. It's an Edward Abbey short story, starring Kirk Douglas. 1958, I think. I don't recall who directed. Maybe Douglas, himself.
That movie was in a class by itself. Brilliant.
It was 62 or 63. My dad took me to see it. Way over my head. Very powerful movie of disillusion, a book end to another Kirk Douglas movie Ace on the Hole.
Good body shot Rich, right on the button, folded him like a deck chair.
McCabe and Mrs Miller is the only film that ever made me cry, brilliant. Surprised Soldier Blue didn't get a mention.
McCabe and Mrs Miller is the most depressing film I have ever seen and I've seen more than 1000.
He featured Soldier Blue in his documentary “Inventing the Indian”.
Wuss
Really good documentary.....an entertaining look at the western genre of films.
Still waiting on a film version of Cormac McCarthy's, "Blood Meridian."
The music played under the intro / titles is from The Big Country ]1958].
"sooner or later Quentin Tarantino is going to have to make a film about orphan puppies" i hope Rich made this one up.
I wonder if the producers of "John Wick" saw this program and thought..:):))
@@Mango62ukThis is the first time I have seen this. I came up with the concept of John Wick as a way to express my feelings of powerlessness in the face of losing my Grandparents to cancer. The dog was simply a way for the audience to buy into the action part of the film. That was over 20 years ago now.
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Wait- what??
*YOU* "came up with the concept of John Wick".
TWENTY YEARS AGO?!
"as a coping mechanism against my grandad's cancer"??!!
What absolute bollocks.
Are you on crack or something.
Or just delusional.
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didnt know what i was clicking on esp since this version aired on BBC just wanted something on...im sure glad i did as from the disposal of the shmuck annoying character in the intro (well played) all the way thru to the film analysis, culutral analysis and historicla perspective this is one of the best film docs ive ever seen and ive seen many braov thanks for sharing yall!!! - SJOCR
What a fantastic analysis of the genre. My only disappointment was no discussion of "No Country For Old Men" which really is a modern western.
Or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
This documentary was shot pretty much at the very same time No Country for Old Men was released. Possibly even before. So it's no wonder it isn't mentioned.
It _is_ mentioned, for crying out loud! Silently. With the cinema marquee behind Rich at the end and his "but then... you never know", the documentary gives a huge nod to it. I guess that sort of saying a lot by not saying anything is a very British approach...
This was made in 2008 .
@@filianablanxart8305 and it shows 😁
Rich's documentaries are a joy to watch.
Iindeed, and a blessed counterpoint to t***s like Ross Kemp
Yeah you Brits love Americans who badmouth their own country.
I like how Back to the Future III looks like My Darling Clementine at the dance.
And ALL the heroes and heroines STUNK!
Love the way he chucks his lap top at him! :-)
Brit here. I have actually been to Cody.
Not only have I bin ta Cody, I have actually watched Rodeo IN Cody. Not many Brits can say that.
What I don't understand is this sudden interest and comments on this very, very old upload. What happened? :)
@@Mango62uk Great mysteries of the World.
When I saw the 1990 horror-comedy 'Tremors' it occurred to me that it was really a Western - Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward were odd job men, like the cowboys, and found themselves having to defend their Arizona community from a threat.
The superhero film "Logan" is essentially a western.
"Mr Wallach. We'd like you to be in a film called 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly'."
"Great. Am I The Good?"
"No."
"Am I The Bad?"
"No."
"................. oh."
Missing in this conversation? Wallach: How much do I get paid?
I just watched a phenomenal documentary on the history of the Western as a film genre and all I had to say was, 'What about Butch Cassidy?.' Thinking of that, what about Butch Cassidy?
I've been a fan of Rich Hall since the show Fridays in the very early 1980s. He only gets wiser. And he only gets closer to looking like William H. Macy.
Looks more like moe off the Simpsons
True Grit is still the most meaningful Western to me. The original is the best in my book, however the Coen brothers' dark humor and modern camera work in their remake is memorable.
Nothing beats Django and even Butch and Sundance is in the top 5*
Rich, rich, rich, how could you make this show and leave out Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. I mean really ? Absolutely iconic and a big moneymaker and StarMaker
same year as wild bunch. remake of Jules and Jim. done. (great flick)
and pretty sure Mel Gibson's Maverick is channeling Paul Newman
Well, I still can watch a good western and one which lives in memory - although a series and not a movie - is Lonesome Dove made IIRC in 1989. The book by Larry McMurtry is wonderful and the series enthralling!
Credit Marion Robert Morrison for creating John Wayne and playing him for the rest of his life. He rose from B movies to become one of the most popular actors of his time. I think his best acting can be found in Red River, The Searchers, Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The Shootist.
The model for Morrison's created persona was Yakima Canutt, who was the 'real deal'.
I have a 1928 Glendale High School annual (my grandmother's) that was signed 'Jack Wayne' and 'John Wayne' over the 'Marion Morrison' captions of his photos.
Morrison was just beginning to create 'John Wayne' at that time.
His name was Marion I believe.
Rich has a sharp and perceptive eye. Like Doug Stanhope, he understands both the US and the UK.
Stanhope is fucking brilliant. He's on Twitter and is worth checking out.
"Little Big Horn" was known as "Greasy Grass." Custer's last stand occurred in a place called, "Greasy Grass."
I was thinking of watching “My Darling Clementine” after he mentioned it - but then he gave away the whole plot.
I guess I am still going to watch this later today.
Yeah, I was irked how he was giving away the plot of all the movies.
@smylexx , After watching this doco, I am not even sure if Rich is a fan of Westerns. He certainly wasn't interested in selling the genre to a younger audience by, A) panning two of the greatest westerns ever made, TGBU, and The Searchers; and by B) revealing the plot of 'antique movies'. Who knows, there may have been a young blood watching this who may have decided to stop watching Marvel Movies and mosey on over to the Wild West.
@smylexx Well, to dismiss Sergio Leone's contribution to Westerns or American cinema in general is just unpardonable really. Let's just take two scenes from his films: The iconic shot of DUMBO in Once Upon a Time in America, and the equally iconic shot of the gorgeous Claudia Cardinale in the horse cart with the backdrop of Monument Valley in Once Upon a Time in the West. Two shots, one displaying man-made America, and the other the natural beauty of the country. Just two examples of his superlative film making; now throw Ennio's music on top, and it goes to a whole different level of brilliance.
@smylexx , Amen Brother!
@smylexx , Another interesting fact, the Bowler Hat, not the Ten Gallon Hat was the hat of the Wild West. Rich missed the mark on that one as well when he was waxing lyrical about 'cowboy hats' in the doco.
"All hat and no cattle"; must remember that one. Kinda wish Cannibal the Musical (available on TH-cam) got a mention. I think it's a much funnier piss take of the genre than Blazing Saddles.
No mention of Grey Fox or Pail Rider. Two beautiful pieces of Western iconography that gave us not only great stories but literally kept the genre present (if not accounted for) in the long interim between Heavens Gate and Unforgiven. Two films that kept that sound of leather against horse flesh and the cocking of a Colt over exhaled cheroot smoke in American theaters. That 1980 to 1992 dead zone is kinda important to an entire generation of moviegoers. We saw Colors. Purple Rain. Beat Street. And Streets of Fire. But no Westerns. We saw Color of Money, Weird Science and Breakfast Club. Taps, Rumblefish and Sixteen Candles. But no Westerns. Except Gray Fox. And Pail Rider. Yeah okay- throw Silverado in there too. And that Bon Jovie soundtrack movie. Remember Lou Diamond Phillips with the Bowie knives?
Still this doc was well worth my time from 1:30am through o dark thirty on a Monday/Tuesday laying in bed stressed out about mc’mericas future. Or seeming lack thereof. Who knows? Maybe if Americans had flocked by the millions to Heavens Gate? Maybe it all would have happened differently. Maybe…
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
is also a great Western. Eastwood & Bridges at their best.
It's Pale...champion
I see Rich Hall has the writing credit. Impressive vocabulary and analytical skills make this 90 piece fly by. What is he doing these days?
He's on tour in the UK ..
www.ents24.com/uk/tour-dates/rich-hall
The idea of using a double action revolver for hunting is beyond ludicrous, good versus evil mythology, as is the complete lack of any mention of the Comanche.
I've never tried putting the chopped tomatoes in at the end. Looks delicious!
First time me seeing this and I'm hooked, thanks!
Always happy to see people enjoy Rich Hall's documentaries. Welcome.
Hey, Rich. Great to see you again. It's been a long time. You didn't mention Three Amigos with you SNL co-star, Martin Short. I think it's wrong to blame parodies on the decline of movie Western. Laurel & Hardy and the Three Stooges did Western parodies. And I' not just talking about the feature film they did in '64 with Adam West. They did several Western shorts several years earlier.
Rich Hall was a cast member on Friday’s, not SNL. Three Amigos sucked.
He’s got to get back into documentary making again
"This has a VRAM Video Card."
Took me a moment to get the joke, but I got it. Well played.
What is the joke ?
I wonder what Rich thought of Jeremiah Johnson. One of my favorites.
Thanks for this.
Awesome presentation, and not one mention of sniglets.
Slim Picken's death scene with Katy Jurado in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
That's not Chill Wills. It's Slim Pickens.
@@TheophilusBoone You are so right! That was a complete senior moment on my part.
Wondering if Mike Ermantraut’s death in Breaking Bad, where he was sitting in the grass by the river after getting shot in the stomach by Walter was an homage to that scene in PG & BtK.
great videos Rich.Keep it goin,Bill from Ireland.
"The ordinary person today couldn't do that" LMAO. You'd be surprised dude. Common folk are tougher than anyone thinks.
I agree...but there's a lot of fat to be trimmed.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc? I think the influence is a tad overstated at times.
Damn skipped a bunch of good ones like Silverado, Young Guns and of course the biggest 9os hit Tombstone, and various others. I dont feel the western is dead
Slim Pickens' death in Pat Garrett is recalled in Breaking Bad.
this must have been made before "Open Range" because there is no way you could overlook that classic.
Nice one Rich all the documentries are excellent,intresting guy intresting subjects ,just sorry theres not more
I love this docu. I disagree with so much of what he's saying, but I love him giving his personal view. Great viewing.
I think he's one of the best explainers of USA, ever!
I watch this in bits during my lunch break, and find that I disagree with ever more of what he says, but even though GBU is my favorite film of all times, I still like Rich, and pity his ignorance =;0).
Just found out that the one and only book Rich quotes, is in fact nothing but a 6-page article.
Wish he'd play in a Western, though.
most of it is probably scripted.
@@Mango62uk... As having lived in the US for long time and being a student of cultural anthropology, i can say his interpretation of the relationship of film and American culture is as good as that of any academic i'm acquainted with.
Great program
After watching this I now understand why Rich married an Englishwoman and moved to England!
Sorry, Sergio Leone was a genius. For his best western - with the albeit less than imaginative title, Once Upon a Time in the West - his screenwriter was Bernardo Bertolucci, the composer for this and most all of Leone's films was Ennio Morricone, but I can see where dour Rich Hall would proclaim them as sacrilege. The problem is seeing the western as an American genre. Leone saw it in more universal terms. And it does follow mythological traditions that predate the United States by perhaps thousands of years.
It's a better title in Italian where, I understand, it isn't "Once Upon a Time _in_ the West", it's more "Once Upon a Time There Was the West" - which fits the film's tone much better, but sadly sounds clumsy outside of Italian...
@@beth12svist Interesting point - thank you, Beth!
@@beth12svist I never knew that! Doesn't translate well into English, so the name change makes sense, but it's a much more fitting name.
Yeah. I had a bit of a lightbulb moment when I realised the equivalent of the English title (or the Czech one at that, for me) would be "C'era una volta _nel_ West"... and it's not called that in Italian. :-)
You're arguing at cross purposes. He's talking about their merits as avatars of real Western US history and culture; you're talking about Leone's talents as a filmmaker. Two different arguments.
Too bad they didn't cover John Wayne's racism that seemed perfectly out of sync with his pseudo heroic character.
Uhhh… Little Big Man came out in 1970, not 1975.
For a guy living abroad Rich sure spends a lot of time in the good ol USA!
Do you thinks it's cos he's American?
He also lives in Montana.
I take it he's well known outside of the US ?
Rich Hall, have you seen The Proposition written by Nick Cave?
Its funny but i cant find any information about that “famous” peckinpah horse story, in fact it wasnt peckinpah at all and there is nothing about the death of the horse.
Yes, I remember looking for evidence of that story too. I think it's nonsense. I don't like the way documentaries like this, can just perpetuate nonsense if they want to. Too many people get facts from documentaries today.
As a Brit, I whole-heartedly agree with Rich's mini rant at 23.00. "A nation of failed socialists and pessmistic pisswits who can't assemble a football team."
Rich does an even better takedown of Clarkson on a program about cars. It's on TH-cam somewhere.. :)
@@Mango62uk yeah, Continental Drifters, I think. I'm no fan of Clarkson either.
Thanks for this upload, too.
@@Asylum_4 That's the one - it was something about muscle cars, wasn't it? JC's become a parody of himself!:)
With Clarkson actually looking good by comparison. What a vomitfest.
Didn't help with the election of the self satisfied and vastly over rated BoJo. Of course the brave Americans have a failing health care system that regularly bankrupts whole families and then pretty much cuts them off from treatment. Such a civilized place.
Core 2 Duo and 2Gb of RAM, eh! That dates it.
Get more RAM and it should work fine.
God, he dragged up the worst possible trailers for some very good films.
These old movie trailers are just bizarre. They just talk about the director's credentials and then show off a couple of the least interesting parts of the movies they're supposed to advertise.
If you want to know about American culture, then you have Ken Burns and Richie Hall.
If you hadn't mentioned Rich Hall, you'd have been right. I don't hate Rich Hall actually, I quite like him, and his documentaries are entertaining, but compared with the sweeping, detailed, highly accurate and deeply researched masterpieces by Ken Burns, is comparing a discarded McDonald's Cheeseburger to a dinner prepared with exquisite care by a Michelin starred chef.
@@jimreily7538the American Civil War documentary while lauded is deeply flawed
Hell yeah I'm happy. Keep 'em coming Rich.
If anyone knows Rich, tell him we need him back on our screens!
❤🇬🇧 maybe it's a persona....however much needed caustic evisceration. I could listen to the man all day.😊
REcomend research into Eisenhower's Death Camps.
Wow. Just
Wow.
I sat through all 62 of John Wayne's films as a nipper, (Dad was a huge fan) again, and again and ag... I finally feel I have some context now. Rich Hall is a freaking genius.
He filmed in Tombstone. Been there
Most memorable modern Western: "Bone Tomahawk"
Brilliant as usual
"Next tonight there's classic movie, with FORD APACHE"
The Westerns is not dead, it just smells funny
@ A... yeah, they said the same thing about jazz music
"Punk's Not Dead"
"So, what, has it always smelt this bad?!"
Skips over Sergio Leone in one breath but slobs on the knob of McCabe and Mrs Miller for like 15 minutes. Why didn't he just play the whole film?
An interesting documentary but you went off track when you were talking about cowboys. Almost none of the stories you told were about cowboys. Shane was a gunfighter not a cowboy. Charles Bronson in Once Upon A Time in the West was A gunfighter not a cowboy. Most of the scenes with John Wayne did not show him as a rancher at all. In one movie, Red River, he was a cattle baron. And most of his other movies he played a soldier or a man on his own. In fact, your doc was about the west but had almost nothing to do with cattle at all. Still enjoyable to watch
I sure wish the illustrative clips were relevant to the points they are supposed to support. It gets confusing.
Cavalry/ Calvary. Excellent.
having been born in southern rhodesia in 1960 when it was still a british colonial protectorate, the only country other than america to unilaterally declare independence from that empire in 1965, that african chapter of this story has been expunged. completely. why?
minority rule and racism but what happened to the indigenous peoples and the earliest demographics of america? hardly beyond reproach and yet america has survived.
my country of birth, where i was born in a modern hospital, no longer exists and the country that has replaced it does not recognise my natural birthright.
now 63, 63 years before i was born no hospitals existed anywhere in 'darkest africa'. no roads, infrastructure, commerce, law and order other than tribalism. no commerce beyond subsistence.
i would like to see a documentary about that. go to it rich.
one of our famed frontiersmen was american afterall.
Frederick Russell Burnham 1861-1947.