Thank you Sir, that was extremely helpful and my 2011 escape with 93,000 miles is suffering the exact symptoms you describe at minutes 7:00 and 11:00. I take it in tomorrow as I received a recall notice. Thanks again!!
My 2011 Ford Escape had the same problem: Idle speed and no throttle. Brien Ford in Everett Wa. evaluated my car and implemeted recall 13N03 and 13B17. I was well satisfied with the support from Brien Ford.
Update. I'm a 16 year mechanic I've been replacing these electronic throttle body's for years. One of my cars is a 2016 Ford Fusion se 2.5 liter four cylinder it has 7,200 miles on it. I was kinda surprised recently when sitting at a light then put my foot down to go and no throttle response long story short got it going ran the vin number on official ford web page and bingo recall on electronic throttle body took it to Jim Tidwell ford where I bought it. Ran diagnostic check throttle body did throw a failure code they replaced free of charge added 10 year or 150,000 thousand mile warranty. So anyone having these problems run your vin on there official web page for free and see if yours falls into this new recall. Also even if your not having any issues no matter what kinda car you have run your vin number you never no what recalls are out there usually a dealer notifies you of a problem if you bought a vehicle used from a friend a online add or changed your address you may not get a recall notice so check your vin it's worth the time.
I guess this Throttle Actuator Control problem is a commun issue, I got the Wrench light on with the service manual message, no response on the gas pedal, made it to park at 3MPH, restarted the engine and back to normal, did it 2 more times, 13 Explorer with only 65k miles on it, and reading by lots of complaint on the the website CARCOMPLAINS COM
Juan C. Lopez that exact thing happened to my 2012 explorer. Hit the gas and nothing slowed down and parked safely. Do you replace it yet? If so did this work?
My Ford Fusion 2010 - is rough - both running & idling. It doesn't shut down. It seems to happen more when the weather is cold or when you first start the car & it may calm down in a few minutes or 20 minutes or so. This doesn't happen every day but seems to happen more frequently. I have about 93,000 miles on it. Thanks!
If you're still watching this thread, do you recommend replacing the throttle body (TB) for hesitation issues - but no CEL/MIL? '09, 3.0, AWD. Thanks Edit: Installed new one from Amz for $52: I disconnected the battery, pulled the old one off and as my gasket/o-ring was fine, cleaned it up, and installed the new TB. Reconnected the battery and did an idle calibration. The next day I headed out on a 600+ mile roundtrip...and the MM ran VERY WELL. 75MPH Freeway, multiple high elevation passes, city driving and had No hesitation, no shifting issues. Haven't checked MPG, but may be that improved, too? Also....and could be my imagination...seems to run quieter @ idle, even though the idle RPM hasn't changed.
Thanks Maluko!! I always watch your vids, and they are simply great! I live out of the Sates, so I'm kind of out of manufacture warranty, but anyways, just want to add some words. I have a 2011 3.0 Escape with this exact issue. Spotting a safe place to stop and then turning the car's engine off for a few seconds, will turn off the wrench light (which btw indicates/triggers the fault). I've also noticed during the faulty driving the 6th gear won't engage correctly, power is dropped, fuel economy drops significantly too. I'll try the Amazon throttle, and hope it helps! Cheers!
We have a 2011 Ford Fusion that has been having issues described in this video. The dealer has been instructed by Ford to NOT replace the ETB because the computer has not logged any code showing this part is having any issues. Hopefully some of you have had better experiences than what I have had with Ford.
Mike Schwartz I know it is BS they are ultra cheap right now follow the link in the videos description and replace it yourself. I also have an idle relearn video coming out for after it is replaced.
Mike Schwartz They told me the same thing but I found a service bulliten (ASI-32332) that basically said that the codes P2111, P2112 may or not be stored. I had to open a BBB auto ticket to even get a call back.
I called Ford customer service and opened a ticket with them. They told me the same thing as the dealer. No code = no ETF replacement. I have already bought a new ETF from Amazon and will be replacing it myself. Not sure how to recalibrate the new one though.
My 08&09 Focus had/have most of those symptoms. I've noticed when accelerating, in 3rd gear around 2,100RPM and mild throttle, the RPMs will surge up and down about 150RPMs. Also at Idle if you lightly tap the gas the RPMs go up and down below the normal idle speed, and come back up to idle.
Josh Gould Those are very sensitive to airbox airflow issues from aftermarket air filters and improperly sealed air boxes. Otherwise it is new throttle body time. This explains it well see here- Quick Tips: #19 Common Causes For Engine Hesitaion Ford Vehicles Ford P061B Diagnostics: Common Causes and Checks
FordTechMakuloco well the escape im working on, iv replaced every thing on the intake, driven it 150 miles, did 3 relearns, and taken it to ford and it still has the rolling idle, when the ac is on....ford says they cant figure it out.
My 2011 Fusion with 93K miles started acting up a few days ago. Was fine, but then one day turned it on and while in park, idle RPM was jumping around and car was jerking back and forth. Only way to stop it was to turn it off or put it in neutral. Next day, it seemed fine. Fast forward to today and I hit the expressway, land at 60mph and the car starts to decelerate on its own. Would turn the car off and back on and would get the wrench, check engine, battery, and oil light. Turn off and on again and sometimes only check engine light, sometimes a combo of all of those. Car wouldnt move more than 2mph for a few feet and then just stop. Had to tow it. I have it at a reputable local mechanic and am hoping it is something as simple as the above fix (which would have been free had I taken my fusion in to a dealer).
There is something that is called kill codes that are coded in the embedded chip.The code kills the chip whenever they want it to. most likely days are even months after warranty has expired so you have to by a new product . I however have no proof of this because you cant pull the code off the chip as it is password protected and or encrypted.
So, my wife’s 2009 escape 3.0 does what you’re describing with being held back at Hwy speed, and also sometimes fails to accelerate when leaving a stop, she notices the light for the traction control come on when this happens. Then it turns off. Of course it won’t do it for me when I go out and test drive it, and there are no codes coming up in my scanner. Would you say the throttle buddy recall is my issue? Other things I’ve read is possibly the speed sensor in the transmission. Of course I’m hoping for the easier fix of the recall. Thanks, and great channel you got going on being very informative
I'm a bit confused. Can I just replace with the new D prefix Throttle body without the update or do I need the update after replacing it? Like always. A great video.
hi I like your channel very educational , I just want to throw this out there Ihave 2008 ford f250 v10 it only has 60,000 miles and it has unintended acceleration it only happen sometime when I come to a stop with the foot on the brakes and I come to a stop and my truck wants to take of pretty scary I change parts like the gas pedal that has the sensor, and the throttle body that has the sensor with all oem parts I bought the truck used with 59,000 miles 6 years ago and have not drove it much due to this problem I was hoping a engine light would come on I checkoff recalls but not this year ford dealer where I live in California said they cant fix the problem unless its duplicated, I did a lot research and found there a lot trucks with this defect do you have any info to where I can go thank you
2011 Escape. Just had a new TB put on by ford dealer. 3rd one car has had. I had a TB put on for the recall in 2014, then that one just went bad. They wouldn't cover it this time, said the 2 year warranty was up on the part.
Great videos, man! Does this affect the 2008 FEH? I suspect mine had a throttle body issue and wondering if it's better to for the 'upgraded one' when I replace it. Thx!
I have a 2010 Ford Escape and had this happen to me in early June while on Vacation cursing down I-5 in L.A...not fun! I had the vehicle towed to a local shop and they change out the Mass Air Flow Sensor and did a Chemical Injector Flush...$600 bucks (as a tourist) but all was well with my truck and made it back to AZ with no problems.Got my 13B17 recall letter when I returned and took it to my local Ford dealer in early Aug and they reprogrammed the TBS. On my trip home from the dealer, my check engine light came on. It has come on and off 4 times since. My gas mileage has dropped about 2 mpg since. The error code was a P0420. Brought it back to Ford and all they want to do is change the Catalytic Converter...have real doubts about this. I am now considering changing out my TBS to the D-suffix version. Any thoughts on this situation would be appreciated? Any recourse with Ford? Your videos are great and extremely useful!
The P0420 was likely caused by the independent shop induction service. It takes a long time for the catalyst monitor to run and would not of run by the time you got home from the dealer. The mpg drop is from the cat fault for sure also, are you under 80k miles at least? I would only run the D suffix, that is what I did on my personal vehicle right away.
FordTechMakuloco Thanx for the input. This all happened right around 75K. I am currently searching for a D suffix TBS to install. I'll let you know how this works out.
Hey man I just wanted to thank you for your video on this subject. Today my 2010 Escape had issues with the throttle body. It did everything you said it would do. I was literally minutes away from driving to the auto parts store to buy a new one for $130.00 ... Then I came across you video and called Ford customer service. They informed me that I was under warranty and that they would repair it for free. Man you just saved me some much needed $$$.. Thanks again.
I'm having all of the symptoms of the throttle body failure, yet ford is declining my 2013 1.6 fusion for the Customer Satisfaction Program because "my vin doesn't fit the program" even though it lists 2013 fusions being affected. Sounds like thy know what my issue is but for whatever reason I'm not part of the group of lucky ones...
Just out of curiousity, do you perfer the electronic throttle bodies vs cable driven ones. I perfer the cable throttle bodies just because less seem to go wrong and not nearly much of a lag with acceleration, but i haven't had experience with the drive by wire setup. Your thought is very valid and opinions are very valid. Thanks Brian
We have a 2011 Ford Edge with a similar problem, going into Limp Mode off and on, then it will self correct if we turn off the key and restart. Are you aware of corrosion problems with the motor contacts on this model? 3.5L V6. The Throttle Body appears to be very similar. Our local ford dealer has not been able to identify the problem, even thought I have referred them to the internet. (the dealer service person says they do not look at the internet, even though limp mode problems seem to be pretty common here). Thanks in advance. Harry
would the throttle body cause the transmission to feel like its slipping between 1st and second gear? I get a 1000 to 2000 RPM spike before it finally slips into 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear.
i have a 2011 ford fusion n i think they reprogram but now i getting where the tachometer going up 200 rpms or down 200 rpms when sitting at a light n feels like its jerking n today tachometer jumped up n caused the battery light n the oil light to come on. i calling my dealership monday
FordTechMakuloco i hope they due and not charge me anything. i going to do the fuel filler cleaning coz now thats acting up more. i got p0455 and p0457 codes.
The recall was free but they suggested to get the lower control arms, steering box and bushing all replaced along with a ailment. They told me it was going to be $2200.
Thanks again! My 2011 Escape has the old throttle body. I have owned it about a year and it has only cut out on me once. No engine light and hasn't happened since so I kind of blew it off. I do notice that it takes a while to respond if I try to accelerate quickly. It has enough hesitation to be annoying. Would this be from the throttle body issue?
I got the 13N03 letter from Ford. I have a 2010 2.5L Fusion.Rather than playing the "let's wait and see" game, I just bought a brand new throttle body (part number: DS7Z*9E926*D). I also replaced the gasket (part number: 8E5Z*9E936*A) I figure spend the $130 and forget about it. Should I still get the PCM reflashed? I don't think it is needed if the TB is the problem. You're right about other manufacturers not taking care of their customers. I had a Honda with a defective engine block. They would only replace the short block if it failed. They admitted, however, that the block could fail at any time. They did offer an extended warranty on the motor, but I wouldn't want my engine to blow while on railroad track, etc.
FordTechMakuloco Okay. Next time I go in for a service I'll ask them to update the PCM. Would the update be a part of 13B17 or is that still 13N03? Should I tell them that I replaced the TB with the updated part? Thanks for everything!
FordTechMakuloco Thank you. I will ask for 13B17 then. In the meantime, is there any rush now that the new TB is installed? Will any damage result from putting this update off till next month? We're going on a road trip for a couple weeks.
Hey Brian I have a 2005 mustang GT and a lot of the symptoms you described with a bad or failing throttle body I think I'm experiencing. There's days where the car response is good and there's days where it's terrible. Also it feels as tho the throttle response changes over time. I'm hesitant to just purchase a new one since they're expensive unless I'm certain that's what my problem is. Sometimes it's smooth to engage the clutch and other times it's a pain and it feels like it's because of the throttle response. And finally I notice that pulling into a parking spot after a good drive the idle dips and goes back up almost like it wants to stall and while I'm trying hard to engage the clutch properly but usually when I first jump in the car it feels fine. It's intermittent it seems usually feels good when I start a drive but after 20 minutes or so it feels inconsistent. Any thoughts??
why does the dealership always say the check engine light needs to be on to check the car.does not the computer store any and all fault codes so they can be pulled up later? my 2010 ford fusion is having the same issues you discribed but they tell me the check engine light needs to be on when i bring it in. the problem with that is if the car sits for awhile and then you start it the check engine light will not be on.
Hi great info I bought my 2010 ford fusion a few months ago and have the problem with the throttle body recalibration everything was good and as I pull into drive way at home the check engine came on any relation and thanks for your time
Hi thanks for getting back. I took my car back to ford and they kept it for half a day they replace the TBA and you were right after they replace it the car works perfectly
i JUST bought my 2013 ford fusion titanium a couple weeks back and today it just started stalling out of no where at first it did at a couple stops then just sitting in the parking lot would this be the same problem before it stalls the car sputters and shakes
I just picked up my 2014 fusion form the dealer. They cleared the check engine light and said there was nothing wrong with the car. I’ll just order and replace the low pressure fuel sensor. Thanks Dave
Howdy partner your my 1st. Go to ford specialist I just want to thank you it's been invaluable for me and my friends who have now joined your site we all own explorer's I'm old school retired and trying to fix my 2005 explorer 4x4 I'm in limp mode how do I test my t/ body modulator motor
Wonderful article. I appear to be experiencing this issue. 2009 3.0L V6 Escape had minor symptoms now is dying at stop lights and while driving. Wrench warning light is now on. I am at a loss because Ford dealers say they will run diagnostic and then tell me if I am covered and/or if I owe them for diagnostic. Thus a few stupid questions...1. Will my SYNC Vehicle Health Report tell me my recall status?2. Can I find out if I am likely covered with at diagnostic check getting error codes at Autozone or similar?3. Can you clarify the circumstances under which they either a) just do a software update and/or b) replace the throttle body. I have no concerns replacing it myself but don't understand the computer system part of this.4. Any other suggestions? I am now concerned about getting stalled in the middle of the road just taking it somewhere. ;-) Again, great video and thank you for any help.
+hermonator4 Do not jerk with the dealer replace it yourself they are dirt cheap right now. Follow my video on how to change it, reset the pcm memory and relearn the new throttle body. The video is for the 2.5l but yours is just a little different the part is the same though. All the parts you will need are in the video description check it out- th-cam.com/video/_AAgUyCg2B8/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for these information. I was wondering why my 30000 miles 2009 Escape check engine light was on. Where are you located, because the Ford shop here, just don't care? I love my Ford, but these one shop in my city , is a different story. How could they let me drive off after getting my recalls repaired with an low mileage check engine light on without telling me the problem.
Hello, how can I tell if this was the culprit after replacing the ETB? Do the plates look "different" or what would I be looking for? Buildup? We have all the symptoms, but I need to be certain that this is indeed what is causing our issue as it is random and obviously a dangerous one. Thanks
But will I be able to see the issue visibly after disassembling the part? I've seen another throttle body model where he popped a cap off and showed the white buildup on the leads. What about these models for a 2012 Fusion? I'm seeking reimbursement from Ford for the part by proving that it was a problem.
I have a 2010 Ford Fusion and the throttle body just started acting up. Like Mike Schwartz below I went to the dealership and because the code was not posting all they did was flash the computer. So I have two quick questions, after the flash the car has been shifting like crap, I would think that the pcm is relearning the system so should I do an idle relearn or will it eventually take care of itself? The second question I have for you is considering I am a distance from any ford dealer and the car will more than likely go through a drive cycle and erase the code before I even arrive at a dealership would it do me any good to try to call ford and get a preapproval for them to replace the throttle body, or would I just be wasting my breath??? I could replace it myself but hate to spend money on a warranty issue. Thanks for any help.
@fordtechmakuloko i have a 12'ford fusion i got the service letter and my car is having the same exact problems but my concern is the wrench light comes on only when the issue occurs and goes away once i shut off the engine and run it again, but no engine light comes up. so if i take my car to shop with no engine&wrench light on on the dash will it get detected for the faulty throttle. i just dont want to pay/waist $$$ for a diagnose knowing it has a problem or should i wait till the engine light comes up and take i dont want something else to get mess up. thanks!!! great vid.
+Jesus Ayala The ford scan tool has a ETB check it does of freeze frame data within the pcm to tell if there has been an etb fault so if this happens and you have it looked at in a timely fashion the scan tool will not pass it and instruct them to replace under the recall.
Another example of Ford engineers using sub-standard components on critical potentially hazardous vehicle systems. In the old days; electrical engineers used something called 'Gold Flashed Contacts' on critical electrical connections between electrical subsystems. In addition to being excellent electrical conductor, gold is also inert; which avoids nasty little problems like thermal and age related oxidation degradation. At some point in time; cost-cutting sharks decided to save a few pennies per unit; and use low-cost, low performance substitute materials. Now Ford scrambles and spends millions replacing faulty and critically hazardous throttle assemblies. What a joke engineering design is in this country these days.
Thanks for letting me know. I was just a little concerned about this because it seems like 1 glitch the throttle body needs replaced. I do have a question, would there be alternatives for the corrections without having to replace the etb( iac throttle body combo) or the gas pedal assy (tp sensor). The reason i ask this is because not everyone can afford to replace one or all these components. I'm just trying to look out for the financially challanged that have these vehicles with etb's on them. Please let be know. I like to help others out as well and i do know how difficult it is to be able to have a well maintained vehicle as well as being able to make ends meat. Kind of being able to eat vs getting services done on the vehicles. Thats just an example. Please let me know. Thanks Brian Skinner
Hey great video, I have a 2012 ford escape 2.xL with the part 9L8E-BF is this new or old? I seem to have some very sluggish acceleration/hesitation. No lurching once going though. Any help would be awesome.
FordTechMakuloco Thanks so much man. Looks like I received the DS7E-9F991-AF in the mail today (DS7Z D box). Ford needs to give you a nice big check! Assuming the firmware should be all set for the 2.4L then out of the box? Or should I still take it to the shop for an update?
I'm bringing my car in for 13n03 Wednesday. I noticed you mentioned the new TB should be DS7Z. My existing one is DS7E-AC. should they replace that? Thanks, Lee
I know this video is old but hopefully you still reply: I have a 2013 Fusion, 6spd manual 1.6eb. My wrench light comes on after driving at highways speeds for 15-30 minutes. There is absolutely no change in driveability and it goes off when I shut off the car. When I hook up my scan tool (it's a relatively cheaper one) I get no codes, even if I scan it before shutting the car of and the light is still on. Do you know what this means?
Where is the music in your intro from? Batman? Thanks for the videos really big help. You ever seen the a problem where the CD changer gets jammed because you changed the battery and didn't eject the cds first? Also you can go to Ford ownership website to check recall status on your vehicle. 2009 Fusion is ok.
Janega88 IDK it cam with the intro I kind like it. I have heard of various problems with radios after battery disconnects and jumps but never experienced it myself. The cd transport mechanisms in those are know problems various years and the reset you did by pulling battery may have caused the problem to show itself because it checks all cd slots upon power up automatically. Yeah my 2009 escape is not part of the recall for the software flash either but does show for the extended warranty.
I just purchased a 2013 fusion with the 1.6 l motor,everything I read about my issue is pointing towards the ETB. issues consist of no power while pulling out of a parking spot and car shutting off a few seconds after starting up. Do these sound like a possible EBT problem? Thanks in advance for you opinion!
Hey there FTM , A friend of mine buy a Ford Edge 3.0L 2008 with some 250 some thousand KMS and at times we rolling on the HWY and the car just bogs down ... no get up n go so i told him to pull off the road n like u say turn engine off "reboot" n it seem to go on however this happened 4 times, could that be the problem ? I'm gonna change his water pump, chain n tension guides, Plugs, Wires so his EX wife can have some to drive. Any comments would be great ... Fix or Sale ... THX.
Just ordered 4th one for my car! I replaced 7 months ago. This is ridiculous... good thing I was able to get off the road today without causing an accident. Ill never buy a Ford again. My 20 yr old Pathfinder has never caused me such a dangerous problem.
Hi makuloco I got a wrench light on my Ford escape 08 and I tried to do the diagnosis with my obd ll tool but I can't get any code the tool can't find any codes what I can do to get the power train codes?
Yeah my 2005fordfreestyle se never showed a code when slap out transmission fluid it died and after that the transmission warning light showed up and not ever before that but no malfunction codes and still acting up.need help please
Martha Wilson wrench light? If so you need to replace the throttle body, I have a video on how to change the throttle body and links to the latest one.
I have a 05 Mustang GT and this seems to be a very common problem for Ford. For the past two years, my car has surging idle..hanging idle until going into fail safe. Throttle body cleaned (many times) new TPS..New MAF..Tried new throttle acuator motor..and this car still does it. Its absolutely rediculous. Ive just about had it. This is my first Ford and itll be my last
Thanks for the video. My GF owns a 2011 Fusion 3.0L. Her car suffered from the "shutoff" effect the ECM would do if it detected a problem with the throttle body. According to the receipt they updated her car's software and so far no issue except for today. Similar to before, the "wrench" light came on momentarily when she started the car up. She shut it down and restarted her car and the light went away and she drove off just fine. I connected my scanner and it pulled up a P2119 code, which, as you may know, is throttle body related. So, I think the update helped the car still function. Do you think she should take her vehicle in and try and get the throttle body hardware replaced? I looked at the throttle body and it read DS7Z-A. Assuming the higher the alphabet, the newer the part model, so its likely having an issue with the plating and given the high heat Florida is having, electrical overheating is bound to cause issues. Sorry for the long-winded post, but thank you for the informative video!
TheMadhatter2561 Yes she should have the extended warranty on hers also. Get it replaced now that the code is in it, so she has the latest design D. Those have been solid design.
FordTechMakuloco thanks for the reply. She made an appointment and hopefully they will do the right thing and replace the unit with an updated revision.
FordTechMakuloco thanks for the reply. She made an appointment and hopefully they will do the right thing and replace the unit with an updated revision.
I have a 2006 ford freestyle when the wrench light turns on the car goes into a safe mode that the motor will not accelerate. I have changed the throttle body twice I'm still having the same problem.code that show up P2104, P2107, P2110
I bought a 2012 Ford Fusion SEL. It started having surges, high RPM and a shutter vibration to it in the third month of owning the brand new car. It has been back to the dealership eight times. I get the typical "Normal behavior speech " everytime. I received the letter from the Ford Corporation about the contaminated Throttle Body and extended warranty. They said unless the wrench light comes on your good and it is good for 10 years. They didn't check it out at all. The oil was checked out by a independent service station and I was told it was black. The car has only 16,000 on it and the service station manager said he never saw oil this color with such low mileage. It was also overfilled by the dealership. My car was built in the Hermosilla Plant. The Regional Manager for Washington State left me a condescending message telling me this was totally normal and I could stop by and they would look at it, but again this was totally normal. They treat me as if I am insane and my car is perfect. The car behaves just as you describe with surges and loss of control at certain times turning around a corner. I know that my Vin number is associated with similiar car failures that came out of this same plant. They now don't want to let me leave the car at the dealership for any time. Rather they say it is perfect and I can go home. The last time the mechanic opened the hood and when I went around to look inside he closed it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Now that is just messed up, I can tell you I have had many with no lights, I make them fail for the customer to get the warranty replacement, Ford can have them back they are all bad. There are ways to make the light go on but I would get in trouble. Have them do the ETB check tool on the ids not codes no looking for a light just do the ETB check right in front of you is the best bet. As far as the trans fluid they all get dark very quick with this new Fluid Mercon LV it is normal as long as it does not smell burnt you are ok.
FordTechMakuloco What can I relay to the dealership that will force them to pay attention to my concerns and not dismiss me? Believe me this haunts my life every day.
I took my 2010 Fusion in to have the throttle body replaced, they did replace it but the part number was D87E-9F991-AF, and on the invoice the part number was DS7Z-9E926-D, is Ford trying to pull a fast one on me?
I came across your videos recently because I am looking to buy a used car and I have been looking up common problems for the cars I have been looking into getting. One of them happens to be a Ford Fusion. I am curious on how you feel about buying a 2010 Ford Fusion SEL 3.0 V6 being a mechanic who works on Fords daily. Do you feel its a good investment, or do you feel I should look at other vehicles? I also plan to keep this vehicle for awhile. (3-4 years) Thanks.
They are quite good except for the few common problems otherwise problem free. The fusions and the escapes are generally the most trouble free vehicles Ford makes.
Can the throttle body go bad twice? Does the symptom at first appear to be a transmission problem? I had my throttle body replaced at 65k on my 09 escape 3.0 V6. Now I have 230k miles. I have weird things happen. First my wife was driving it up a hill and it wouldn’t move at all, the RMS needle didn’t go up at all, The car wouldn’t move and then its suddenly started to work fine for the next 6 weeks. Today I was stopped in heavy traffic with the air on. Stepped on the gas and the car wouldn’t move. (Can’t recall if the RMPs went high), the yellow wrench light came on but after I shifted to park and then drive and it started moving again. Got home and pulled codes 456 & 457 ( I think it has to do with the broken gas filler) Started the car , the wrench light went out and it drove fine. The Trans was a little low on fluid so I added a quart. Can my throttle body be bad again?
Maribel Lopes Yes it can you likely got another old design put on way back then. There have been numerous revisions to this throttle body get the latest version linked in the video description and swap it out. Don't for get the relearn procedure for these throttle bodies I videos on all of it.
FordTechMakuloco love your work buddy. Do you know if this ETB extended warranty for Ford fusion are worldwide? I have a Fusion 2010 that just came with ETB problems and i want to know if this warranty is for all fusions 2010 out there. thanks
I've got a 2007 Ford Fusion with 92000 miles on it. At least 8 times a week I have the same exact thing happen. Damn wrench light and no acceleration. Turn it off and its fine for a little while. I think it's bullshit that they aren't covering all the year models that have this problem. You say that I've got a different electronic throttle body that is supposed to be good?? Then why in the hell am I having the same problems??
I just ran a vehicle health report today and it says my vehicle has the 13N03 recall. What do I do? Do I just wait until it fails or do they do the reflash for me just in case? I've had my 2011 Escape surge occasionally at stop lights, otherwise no issues. Could this be the throttle body?
Why not keep simple? where is that cable connected to the throttle with the gas peddle? It is too cheap for Ford, they cannot make money selling you cable.
I have a Ford Fusion 2017, the engine shut off while driving on the road highway, took it to the dealership and they said that nothing is wrong and no codes found! Terrible and dangerous car :'( don't buy Ford
IMO the difference between a good video and a bad video many times is the audio. Mic up the next time you do one man. I have my volume turned up to max and cannot make out what you are saying.
Thank you Sir, that was extremely helpful and my 2011 escape with 93,000 miles is suffering the exact symptoms you describe at minutes 7:00 and 11:00. I take it in tomorrow as I received a recall notice. Thanks again!!
My 2011 Ford Escape had the same problem: Idle speed and no throttle. Brien Ford in Everett Wa. evaluated my car and implemeted recall 13N03 and 13B17. I was well satisfied with the support from Brien Ford.
Update. I'm a 16 year mechanic I've been replacing these electronic throttle body's for years. One of my cars is a 2016 Ford Fusion se 2.5 liter four cylinder it has 7,200 miles on it. I was kinda surprised recently when sitting at a light then put my foot down to go and no throttle response long story short got it going ran the vin number on official ford web page and bingo recall on electronic throttle body took it to Jim Tidwell ford where I bought it. Ran diagnostic check throttle body did throw a failure code they replaced free of charge added 10 year or 150,000 thousand mile warranty. So anyone having these problems run your vin on there official web page for free and see if yours falls into this new recall. Also even if your not having any issues no matter what kinda car you have run your vin number you never no what recalls are out there usually a dealer notifies you of a problem if you bought a vehicle used from a friend a online add or changed your address you may not get a recall notice so check your vin it's worth the time.
THANKS, this is exactly what it is happening to me right now on my 13 ford explorer xlt, 65k miles
I guess this Throttle Actuator Control problem is a commun issue, I got the Wrench light on with the service manual message, no response on the gas pedal, made it to park at 3MPH, restarted the engine and back to normal, did it 2 more times, 13 Explorer with only 65k miles on it, and reading by lots of complaint on the the website CARCOMPLAINS COM
Juan C. Lopez that exact thing happened to my 2012 explorer. Hit the gas and nothing slowed down and parked safely. Do you replace it yet? If so did this work?
Your doing a great service to us, thanks man!!!!
My Ford Fusion 2010 - is rough - both running & idling. It doesn't shut down. It seems to happen more when the weather is cold or when you first start the car & it may calm down in a few minutes or 20 minutes or so. This doesn't happen every day but seems to happen more frequently. I have about 93,000 miles on it. Thanks!
Cables never had these problems.
If you're still watching this thread, do you recommend replacing the throttle body (TB) for hesitation issues - but no CEL/MIL? '09, 3.0, AWD. Thanks Edit: Installed new one from Amz for $52: I disconnected the battery, pulled the old one off and as my gasket/o-ring was fine, cleaned it up, and installed the new TB. Reconnected the battery and did an idle calibration.
The next day I headed out on a 600+ mile roundtrip...and the MM ran VERY WELL. 75MPH Freeway, multiple high elevation passes, city driving and had No hesitation, no shifting issues. Haven't checked MPG, but may be that improved, too? Also....and could be my imagination...seems to run quieter @ idle, even though the idle RPM hasn't changed.
Thanks for this video. Happened last week on my 2011 MKZ Hybrid. Going to replace myself.
Thanks Maluko!! I always watch your vids, and they are simply great! I live out of the Sates, so I'm kind of out of manufacture warranty, but anyways, just want to add some words. I have a 2011 3.0 Escape with this exact issue. Spotting a safe place to stop and then turning the car's engine off for a few seconds, will turn off the wrench light (which btw indicates/triggers the fault). I've also noticed during the faulty driving the 6th gear won't engage correctly, power is dropped, fuel economy drops significantly too. I'll try the Amazon throttle, and hope it helps!
Cheers!
+Luis Muñoz Good thinking
We have a 2011 Ford Fusion that has been having issues described in this video. The dealer has been instructed by Ford to NOT replace the ETB because the computer has not logged any code showing this part is having any issues. Hopefully some of you have had better experiences than what I have had with Ford.
Mike Schwartz I know it is BS they are ultra cheap right now follow the link in the videos description and replace it yourself. I also have an idle relearn video coming out for after it is replaced.
Mike Schwartz They told me the same thing but I found a service bulliten (ASI-32332) that basically said that the codes P2111, P2112 may or not be stored. I had to open a BBB auto ticket to even get a call back.
I called Ford customer service and opened a ticket with them. They told me the same thing as the dealer. No code = no ETF replacement. I have already bought a new ETF from Amazon and will be replacing it myself. Not sure how to recalibrate the new one though.
My 08 ford focus has had this problem since new. Just ordered a new throttle body.
My 08&09 Focus had/have most of those symptoms. I've noticed when accelerating, in 3rd gear around 2,100RPM and mild throttle, the RPMs will surge up and down about 150RPMs. Also at Idle if you lightly tap the gas the RPMs go up and down below the normal idle speed, and come back up to idle.
The focus was bad for this also I have had my fair share of those complaint tickets.
FordTechMakuloco Is there anything that can be done about it?
Josh Gould Those are very sensitive to airbox airflow issues from aftermarket air filters and improperly sealed air boxes. Otherwise it is new throttle body time. This explains it well see here- Quick Tips: #19 Common Causes For Engine Hesitaion Ford Vehicles
Ford P061B Diagnostics: Common Causes and Checks
FordTechMakuloco well the escape im working on, iv replaced every thing on the intake, driven it 150 miles, did 3 relearns, and taken it to ford and it still has the rolling idle, when the ac is on....ford says they cant figure it out.
My 2011 Fusion with 93K miles started acting up a few days ago. Was fine, but then one day turned it on and while in park, idle RPM was jumping around and car was jerking back and forth. Only way to stop it was to turn it off or put it in neutral. Next day, it seemed fine. Fast forward to today and I hit the expressway, land at 60mph and the car starts to decelerate on its own. Would turn the car off and back on and would get the wrench, check engine, battery, and oil light. Turn off and on again and sometimes only check engine light, sometimes a combo of all of those. Car wouldnt move more than 2mph for a few feet and then just stop. Had to tow it. I have it at a reputable local mechanic and am hoping it is something as simple as the above fix (which would have been free had I taken my fusion in to a dealer).
There is something that is called kill codes that are coded in the embedded chip.The code kills the chip whenever they want it to. most likely days are even months after warranty has expired so you have to by a new product . I however have no proof of this because you cant pull the code off the chip as it is password protected and or encrypted.
So, my wife’s 2009 escape 3.0 does what you’re describing with being held back at Hwy speed, and also sometimes fails to accelerate when leaving a stop, she notices the light for the traction control come on when this happens. Then it turns off.
Of course it won’t do it for me when I go out and test drive it, and there are no codes coming up in my scanner.
Would you say the throttle buddy recall is my issue?
Other things I’ve read is possibly the speed sensor in the transmission. Of course I’m hoping for the easier fix of the recall.
Thanks, and great channel you got going on being very informative
I'm a bit confused. Can I just replace with the new D prefix Throttle body without the update or do I need the update after replacing it? Like always. A great video.
hi I like your channel very educational , I just want to throw this out there Ihave 2008 ford f250 v10 it only has 60,000 miles and it has unintended acceleration it only happen sometime when I come to a stop with the foot on the brakes and I come to a stop and my truck wants to take of pretty scary I change parts like the gas pedal that has the sensor, and the throttle body that has the sensor with all oem parts I bought the truck used with 59,000 miles 6 years ago and have not drove it much due to this problem I was hoping a engine light would come on I checkoff recalls but not this year ford dealer where I live in California said they cant fix the problem unless its duplicated, I did a lot research and found there a lot trucks with this defect do you have any info to where I can go thank you
2011 Escape. Just had a new TB put on by ford dealer. 3rd one car has had. I had a TB put on for the recall in 2014, then that one just went bad. They wouldn't cover it this time, said the 2 year warranty was up on the part.
Great videos, man! Does this affect the 2008 FEH? I suspect mine had a throttle body issue and wondering if it's better to for the 'upgraded one' when I replace it. Thx!
I have a 2010 Ford Escape and had this happen to me in early June while on Vacation cursing down I-5 in L.A...not fun! I had the vehicle towed to a local shop and they change out the Mass Air Flow Sensor and did a Chemical Injector Flush...$600 bucks (as a tourist) but all was well with my truck and made it back to AZ with no problems.Got my 13B17 recall letter when I returned and took it to my local Ford dealer in early Aug and they reprogrammed the TBS. On my trip home from the dealer, my check engine light came on. It has come on and off 4 times since. My gas mileage has dropped about 2 mpg since. The error code was a P0420. Brought it back to Ford and all they want to do is change the Catalytic Converter...have real doubts about this. I am now considering changing out my TBS to the D-suffix version. Any thoughts on this situation would be appreciated? Any recourse with Ford?
Your videos are great and extremely useful!
The P0420 was likely caused by the independent shop induction service. It takes a long time for the catalyst monitor to run and would not of run by the time you got home from the dealer. The mpg drop is from the cat fault for sure also, are you under 80k miles at least? I would only run the D suffix, that is what I did on my personal vehicle right away.
FordTechMakuloco
Thanx for the input. This all happened right around 75K. I am currently searching for a D suffix TBS to install. I'll let you know how this works out.
Do these throttle body issues effect a 2012 fusion sport with the 3.5 V6? Or only the 2.5 or 3.0 engines.
Only 2.5 and 3.0l. The 3.5l throttle body is totally different.
Hey man I just wanted to thank you for your video on this subject. Today my 2010 Escape had issues with the throttle body. It did everything you said it would do. I was literally minutes away from driving to the auto parts store to buy a new one for $130.00 ... Then I came across you video and called Ford customer service. They informed me that I was under warranty and that they would repair it for free. Man you just saved me some much needed $$$.. Thanks again.
Sweet find!
I'm having all of the symptoms of the throttle body failure, yet ford is declining my 2013 1.6 fusion for the Customer Satisfaction Program because "my vin doesn't fit the program" even though it lists 2013 fusions being affected. Sounds like thy know what my issue is but for whatever reason I'm not part of the group of lucky ones...
Just out of curiousity, do you perfer the electronic throttle bodies vs cable driven ones. I perfer the cable throttle bodies just because less seem to go wrong and not nearly much of a lag with acceleration, but i haven't had experience with the drive by wire setup. Your thought is very valid and opinions are very valid. Thanks Brian
Brian Skinner I like the drive by wire because there is so much more control over the system much more fine control.
We have a 2011 Ford Edge with a similar problem, going into Limp Mode off and on, then it will self correct if we turn off the key and restart. Are you aware of corrosion problems with the motor contacts on this model? 3.5L V6. The Throttle Body appears to be very similar. Our local ford dealer has not been able to identify the problem, even thought I have referred them to the internet. (the dealer service person says they do not look at the internet, even though limp mode problems seem to be pretty common here). Thanks in advance. Harry
+Harry Whitehead while not as common I have changed my share of throttle bodies on the edge also.
would the throttle body cause the transmission to feel like its slipping between 1st and second gear? I get a 1000 to 2000 RPM spike before it finally slips into 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear.
No it would feel like a low power concern when a throttle body is failing.
i have a 2011 ford fusion n i think they reprogram but now i getting where the tachometer going up 200 rpms or down 200 rpms when sitting at a light n feels like its jerking n today tachometer jumped up n caused the battery light n the oil light to come on. i calling my dealership monday
Yeah get them to change it out it is the only permanent fix
FordTechMakuloco i hope they due and not charge me anything. i going to do the fuel filler cleaning coz now thats acting up more. i got p0455 and p0457 codes.
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+Harvey comer what was the cost to get it fixed?
The recall was free but they suggested to get the lower control arms, steering box and bushing all replaced along with a ailment. They told me it was going to be $2200.
Thanks again! My 2011 Escape has the old throttle body. I have owned it about a year and it has only cut out on me once. No engine light and hasn't happened since so I kind of blew it off. I do notice that it takes a while to respond if I try to accelerate quickly. It has enough hesitation to be annoying. Would this be from the throttle body issue?
planning to change throttle body and sensor does it have to be calibrated after?
I got the 13N03 letter from Ford. I have a 2010 2.5L Fusion.Rather than playing the "let's wait and see" game, I just bought a brand new throttle body (part number: DS7Z*9E926*D). I also replaced the gasket (part number: 8E5Z*9E936*A) I figure spend the $130 and forget about it. Should I still get the PCM reflashed? I don't think it is needed if the TB is the problem.
You're right about other manufacturers not taking care of their customers. I had a Honda with a defective engine block. They would only replace the short block if it failed. They admitted, however, that the block could fail at any time. They did offer an extended warranty on the motor, but I wouldn't want my engine to blow while on railroad track, etc.
Yes I would still get it done as there are many improvements that come with the calibration update.
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Okay. Next time I go in for a service I'll ask them to update the PCM. Would the update be a part of 13B17 or is that still 13N03? Should I tell them that I replaced the TB with the updated part?
Thanks for everything!
The update is the 13b17 recall. You don't need to tell them anything about you changing the throttle body.
FordTechMakuloco
Thank you. I will ask for 13B17 then. In the meantime, is there any rush now that the new TB is installed? Will any damage result from putting this update off till next month? We're going on a road trip for a couple weeks.
FordTechMakuloco could he file for reimbursement?
Hey Brian I have a 2005 mustang GT and a lot of the symptoms you described with a bad or failing throttle body I think I'm experiencing. There's days where the car response is good and there's days where it's terrible. Also it feels as tho the throttle response changes over time. I'm hesitant to just purchase a new one since they're expensive unless I'm certain that's what my problem is. Sometimes it's smooth to engage the clutch and other times it's a pain and it feels like it's because of the throttle response. And finally I notice that pulling into a parking spot after a good drive the idle dips and goes back up almost like it wants to stall and while I'm trying hard to engage the clutch properly but usually when I first jump in the car it feels fine. It's intermittent it seems usually feels good when I start a drive but after 20 minutes or so it feels inconsistent. Any thoughts??
why does the dealership always say the check engine light needs to be on to check the car.does not the computer store any and all fault codes so they can be pulled up later? my 2010 ford fusion is having the same issues you discribed but they tell me the check engine light needs to be on when i bring it in. the problem with that is if the car sits for awhile and then you start it the check engine light will not be on.
If i replace throttle bottle on 14 fusion it has all the symptoms u said do i need to do anything after installed? Like a relearn
Hi great info I bought my 2010 ford fusion a few months ago and have the problem with the throttle body recalibration everything was good and as I pull into drive way at home the check engine came on any relation and thanks for your time
It is possible since the new calibration watches the throttle body more closely. what was the code?
Hi thanks for getting back. I took my car back to ford and they kept it for half a day they replace the TBA and you were right after they replace it the car works perfectly
Nice
i JUST bought my 2013 ford fusion titanium a couple weeks back and today it just started stalling out of no where at first it did at a couple stops then just sitting in the parking lot would this be the same problem before it stalls the car sputters and shakes
Thank you so much. I'm thinking this might be my problem with my 2014 Ford Fusion.
What happened with your fusion? I have a 2014 fusion and it was idling rough then shutoff.
@@Theone0611 Mine was a low pressure fuel sensor. That fixed my problem.
I just picked up my 2014 fusion form the dealer. They cleared the check engine light and said there was nothing wrong with the car. I’ll just order and replace the low pressure fuel sensor. Thanks Dave
@@Theone0611 You're welcome.
Howdy partner your my 1st. Go to ford specialist I just want to thank you it's been invaluable for me and my friends who have now joined your site we all own explorer's I'm old school retired and trying to fix my 2005 explorer 4x4 I'm in limp mode how do I test my t/ body modulator motor
So this just happend again on my little 2010 fusion. 5th time and I have just about had it.
Wonderful article. I appear to be experiencing this issue. 2009 3.0L V6 Escape had minor symptoms now is dying at stop lights and while driving. Wrench warning light is now on. I am at a loss because Ford dealers say they will run diagnostic and then tell me if I am covered and/or if I owe them for diagnostic. Thus a few stupid questions...1. Will my SYNC Vehicle Health Report tell me my recall status?2. Can I find out if I am likely covered with at diagnostic check getting error codes at Autozone or similar?3. Can you clarify the circumstances under which they either a) just do a software update and/or b) replace the throttle body. I have no concerns replacing it myself but don't understand the computer system part of this.4. Any other suggestions? I am now concerned about getting stalled in the middle of the road just taking it somewhere. ;-) Again, great video and thank you for any help.
+hermonator4 Do not jerk with the dealer replace it yourself they are dirt cheap right now. Follow my video on how to change it, reset the pcm memory and relearn the new throttle body. The video is for the 2.5l but yours is just a little different the part is the same though. All the parts you will need are in the video description check it out- th-cam.com/video/_AAgUyCg2B8/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for these information. I was wondering why my 30000 miles 2009 Escape check engine light was on. Where are you located, because the Ford shop here, just don't care? I love my Ford, but these one shop in my city , is a different story. How could they let me drive off after getting my recalls repaired with an low mileage check engine light on without telling me the problem.
Kathy Barnes Chicagoland area.
Darn, too much
Hello, how can I tell if this was the culprit after replacing the ETB? Do the plates look "different" or what would I be looking for? Buildup? We have all the symptoms, but I need to be certain that this is indeed what is causing our issue as it is random and obviously a dangerous one. Thanks
Random is key here that is how they fail at first without a scan tool you cannot verify the freeze fame ETC data.
But will I be able to see the issue visibly after disassembling the part? I've seen another throttle body model where he popped a cap off and showed the white buildup on the leads. What about these models for a 2012 Fusion? I'm seeking reimbursement from Ford for the part by proving that it was a problem.
Amazon says the gasket you recommended doesn't fit my car. I have a 2011 fusion v6 sel. Are they wrong?
I have a 2010 Ford Fusion and the throttle body just started acting up. Like Mike Schwartz below I went to the dealership and because the code was not posting all they did was flash the computer. So I have two quick questions, after the flash the car has been shifting like crap, I would think that the pcm is relearning the system so should I do an idle relearn or will it eventually take care of itself? The second question I have for you is considering I am a distance from any ford dealer and the car will more than likely go through a drive cycle and erase the code before I even arrive at a dealership would it do me any good to try to call ford and get a preapproval for them to replace the throttle body, or would I just be wasting my breath??? I could replace it myself but hate to spend money on a warranty issue. Thanks for any help.
@fordtechmakuloko i have a 12'ford fusion i got the service letter and my car is having the same exact problems but my concern is the wrench light comes on only when the issue occurs and goes away once i shut off the engine and run it again, but no engine light comes up. so if i take my car to shop with no engine&wrench light on on the dash will it get detected for the faulty throttle. i just dont want to pay/waist $$$ for a diagnose knowing it has a problem or should i wait till the engine light comes up and take i dont want something else to get mess up. thanks!!! great vid.
+Jesus Ayala The ford scan tool has a ETB check it does of freeze frame data within the pcm to tell if there has been an etb fault so if this happens and you have it looked at in a timely fashion the scan tool will not pass it and instruct them to replace under the recall.
+FordTechMakuloco OK great!! Thanks!!! Keep posting vid i enjoy them all!!
+Jesus Ayala owner.ford.com/tools/account/maintenance/recalls/results.html
here you can check with your VIN
Another example of Ford engineers using sub-standard components on critical potentially hazardous vehicle systems. In the old days; electrical engineers used something called 'Gold Flashed Contacts' on critical electrical connections between electrical subsystems. In addition to being excellent electrical conductor, gold is also inert; which avoids nasty little problems like thermal and age related oxidation degradation. At some point in time; cost-cutting sharks decided to save a few pennies per unit; and use low-cost, low performance substitute materials. Now Ford scrambles and spends millions replacing faulty and critically hazardous throttle assemblies. What a joke engineering design is in this country these days.
Someone has a brilliant idea, saves Ford a few bucks, gets a promotion for being so smart and everyone gets to pay for it for years to come.
Thanks for letting me know. I was just a little concerned about this because it seems like 1 glitch the throttle body needs replaced. I do have a question, would there be alternatives for the corrections without having to replace the etb( iac throttle body combo) or the gas pedal assy (tp sensor). The reason i ask this is because not everyone can afford to replace one or all these components. I'm just trying to look out for the financially challanged that have these vehicles with etb's on them. Please let be know. I like to help others out as well and i do know how difficult it is to be able to have a well maintained vehicle as well as being able to make ends meat. Kind of being able to eat vs getting services done on the vehicles. Thats just an example. Please let me know. Thanks Brian Skinner
Yeah. Can we just clean those motor contacts or is it way more?
Hey great video, I have a 2012 ford escape 2.xL with the part 9L8E-BF is this new or old? I seem to have some very sluggish acceleration/hesitation. No lurching once going though. Any help would be awesome.
Matt Franclemont That is the original one there have been two updates since then.
FordTechMakuloco Thanks so much man. Looks like I received the DS7E-9F991-AF in the mail today (DS7Z D box). Ford needs to give you a nice big check! Assuming the firmware should be all set for the 2.4L then out of the box? Or should I still take it to the shop for an update?
Hi my name is Octavius and I drive a 2012 ford fusion se and I think I'm having problems similar to what you're explaining, what should I do?
I'm bringing my car in for 13n03 Wednesday. I noticed you mentioned the new TB should be DS7Z. My existing one is DS7E-AC. should they replace that? Thanks, Lee
Mr. Lee They will only replace it if it shows to have failed. The number on there is the engineering number.
I know this video is old but hopefully you still reply:
I have a 2013 Fusion, 6spd manual 1.6eb. My wrench light comes on after driving at highways speeds for 15-30 minutes. There is absolutely no change in driveability and it goes off when I shut off the car. When I hook up my scan tool (it's a relatively cheaper one) I get no codes, even if I scan it before shutting the car of and the light is still on. Do you know what this means?
Where is the music in your intro from? Batman? Thanks for the videos really big help. You ever seen the a problem where the CD changer gets jammed because you changed the battery and didn't eject the cds first? Also you can go to Ford ownership website to check recall status on your vehicle. 2009 Fusion is ok.
Janega88 IDK it cam with the intro I kind like it. I have heard of various problems with radios after battery disconnects and jumps but never experienced it myself. The cd transport mechanisms in those are know problems various years and the reset you did by pulling battery may have caused the problem to show itself because it checks all cd slots upon power up automatically. Yeah my 2009 escape is not part of the recall for the software flash either but does show for the extended warranty.
I just purchased a 2013 fusion with the 1.6 l motor,everything I read about my issue is pointing towards the ETB. issues consist of no power while pulling out of a parking spot and car shutting off a few seconds after starting up. Do these sound like a possible EBT problem? Thanks in advance for you opinion!
This is happening to my 2012 Ford Explorer. Is there Anything Ford can do? I haven’t seen a recall on the 2012. I’m at 147000 miles.
Hey there FTM , A friend of mine buy a Ford Edge 3.0L 2008 with some 250 some thousand KMS and at times we rolling on the HWY and the car just bogs down ... no get up n go so i told him to pull off the road n like u say turn engine off "reboot" n it seem to go on however this happened 4 times, could that be the problem ? I'm gonna change his water pump, chain n tension guides, Plugs, Wires so his EX wife can have some to drive. Any comments would be great ... Fix or Sale ... THX.
Just ordered 4th one for my car! I replaced 7 months ago. This is ridiculous... good thing I was able to get off the road today without causing an accident. Ill never buy a Ford again. My 20 yr old Pathfinder has never caused me such a dangerous problem.
What tools do you need to do the repair?
Hi makuloco I got a wrench light on my Ford escape 08 and I tried to do the diagnosis with my obd ll tool but I can't get any code the tool can't find any codes what I can do to get the power train codes?
Yeah my 2005fordfreestyle se never showed a code when slap out transmission fluid it died and after that the transmission warning light showed up and not ever before that but no malfunction codes and still acting up.need help please
Martha Wilson wrench light? If so you need to replace the throttle body, I have a video on how to change the throttle body and links to the latest one.
I have a 05 Mustang GT and this seems to be a very common problem for Ford. For the past two years, my car has surging idle..hanging idle until going into fail safe.
Throttle body cleaned (many times) new TPS..New MAF..Tried new throttle acuator motor..and this car still does it. Its absolutely rediculous. Ive just about had it. This is my first Ford and itll be my last
05-09 were the 2nd worst mustangs ever lol
@@mustangsrus41 spoken like a true moron
This happens to me all the time, haven't fixed it yet.
Thanks for the video. My GF owns a 2011 Fusion 3.0L. Her car suffered from the "shutoff" effect the ECM would do if it detected a problem with the throttle body. According to the receipt they updated her car's software and so far no issue except for today. Similar to before, the "wrench" light came on momentarily when she started the car up. She shut it down and restarted her car and the light went away and she drove off just fine. I connected my scanner and it pulled up a P2119 code, which, as you may know, is throttle body related. So, I think the update helped the car still function. Do you think she should take her vehicle in and try and get the throttle body hardware replaced? I looked at the throttle body and it read DS7Z-A. Assuming the higher the alphabet, the newer the part model, so its likely having an issue with the plating and given the high heat Florida is having, electrical overheating is bound to cause issues.
Sorry for the long-winded post, but thank you for the informative video!
TheMadhatter2561 Yes she should have the extended warranty on hers also. Get it replaced now that the code is in it, so she has the latest design D. Those have been solid design.
FordTechMakuloco thanks for the reply. She made an appointment and hopefully they will do the right thing and replace the unit with an updated revision.
FordTechMakuloco thanks for the reply. She made an appointment and hopefully they will do the right thing and replace the unit with an updated revision.
I have a 2006 ford freestyle when the wrench light turns on the car goes into a safe mode that the motor will not accelerate. I have changed the throttle body twice I'm still having the same problem.code that show up P2104, P2107, P2110
Can this problem effect the 2008 Escape model?
Yup ...I just changed mine ....the old one damn near got me killed !!
did you have to calibrate it or can it just be replaced i need directions on a 2.5l i want it changed for safety
I bought a 2012 Ford Fusion SEL. It started having surges, high RPM and a shutter vibration to it in the third month of owning the brand new car. It has been back to the dealership eight times. I get the typical "Normal behavior speech " everytime. I received the letter from the Ford Corporation about the contaminated Throttle Body and extended warranty. They said unless the wrench light comes on your good and it is good for 10 years. They didn't check it out at all. The oil was checked out by a independent service station and I was told it was black. The car has only 16,000 on it and the service station manager said he never saw oil this color with such low mileage. It was also overfilled by the dealership. My car was built in the Hermosilla Plant. The Regional Manager for Washington State left me a condescending message telling me this was totally normal and I could stop by and they would look at it, but again this was totally normal. They treat me as if I am insane and my car is perfect. The car behaves just as you describe with surges and loss of control at certain times turning around a corner. I know that my Vin number is associated with similiar car failures that came out of this same plant. They now don't want to let me leave the car at the dealership for any time. Rather they say it is perfect and I can go home. The last time the mechanic opened the hood and when I went around to look inside he closed it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Now that is just messed up, I can tell you I have had many with no lights, I make them fail for the customer to get the warranty replacement, Ford can have them back they are all bad. There are ways to make the light go on but I would get in trouble. Have them do the ETB check tool on the ids not codes no looking for a light just do the ETB check right in front of you is the best bet. As far as the trans fluid they all get dark very quick with this new Fluid Mercon LV it is normal as long as it does not smell burnt you are ok.
FordTechMakuloco What can I relay to the dealership that will force them to pay attention to my concerns and not dismiss me? Believe me this haunts my life every day.
Just tell them it surges at times, has died a time or two the wrench light goes on then eventually goes off, I could only go like 5mph.
I took my 2010 Fusion in to have the throttle body replaced, they did replace it but the part number was D87E-9F991-AF, and on the invoice the part number was DS7Z-9E926-D, is Ford trying to pull a fast one on me?
No the number on the throttle body is the engineering number you have the latest one.
Thank You, that's what the dealer said , but I wanted to be sure.
I came across your videos recently because I am looking to buy a used car and I have been looking up common problems for the cars I have been looking into getting. One of them happens to be a Ford Fusion. I am curious on how you feel about buying a 2010 Ford Fusion SEL 3.0 V6 being a mechanic who works on Fords daily. Do you feel its a good investment, or do you feel I should look at other vehicles? I also plan to keep this vehicle for awhile. (3-4 years)
Thanks.
They are quite good except for the few common problems otherwise problem free. The fusions and the escapes are generally the most trouble free vehicles Ford makes.
How do you feel about ford rangers? 2003 and newer?
Very reliable very basic we almost never see one if that tells you anything.
I have the exact same symptoms on my 2008 ford fusion 4L @ 106k miles, any recalls on that year?
Jose Lopez No those throttle bodies were of a different design and very reliable.
where is IAC located on 2.5 2009 ford escape
It’s part of the throttle body
thanks
Can the throttle body go bad twice? Does the symptom at first appear to be a transmission problem? I had my throttle body replaced at 65k on my 09 escape 3.0 V6. Now I have 230k miles. I have weird things happen. First my wife was driving it up a hill and it wouldn’t move at all, the RMS needle didn’t go up at all, The car wouldn’t move and then its suddenly started to work fine for the next 6 weeks.
Today I was stopped in heavy traffic with the air on. Stepped on the gas and the car wouldn’t move. (Can’t recall if the RMPs went high), the yellow wrench light came on but after I shifted to park and then drive and it started moving again. Got home and pulled codes 456 & 457 ( I think it has to do with the broken gas filler)
Started the car , the wrench light went out and it drove fine. The Trans was a little low on fluid so I added a quart.
Can my throttle body be bad again?
Maribel Lopes Yes it can you likely got another old design put on way back then. There have been numerous revisions to this throttle body get the latest version linked in the video description and swap it out. Don't for get the relearn procedure for these throttle bodies I videos on all of it.
FordTechMakuloco Thank you so much for your replythe number on my throttle body is 9L8EBCo(or D) 82453001020 does this mean anything?
Yes that is the old version it has been revised 3 mores times since then.
Hi Brian
Amazon site says it doesn't fit my 2012 fusion...!
How's that possible ???
It's correct trust me.
FordTechMakuloco love your work buddy. Do you know if this ETB extended warranty for Ford fusion are worldwide? I have a Fusion 2010 that just came with ETB problems and i want to know if this warranty is for all fusions 2010 out there. thanks
Thanks!
I've got a 2007 Ford Fusion with 92000 miles on it. At least 8 times a week I have the same exact thing happen. Damn wrench light and no acceleration. Turn it off and its fine for a little while. I think it's bullshit that they aren't covering all the year models that have this problem. You say that I've got a different electronic throttle body that is supposed to be good?? Then why in the hell am I having the same problems??
David Litfin 07 was not known for throttle bodies, what code is it throwing?
I just ran a vehicle health report today and it says my vehicle has the 13N03 recall. What do I do? Do I just wait until it fails or do they do the reflash for me just in case? I've had my 2011 Escape surge occasionally at stop lights, otherwise no issues. Could this be the throttle body?
Dan Erding 13n03 is just a warranty extension but by the way you explain it yes you need the throttle body changed out.
Why not keep simple? where is that cable connected to the throttle with the gas peddle?
It is too cheap for Ford, they cannot make money selling you cable.
Id say there just crap bring back the tps old style back
I have a Ford Fusion 2017, the engine shut off while driving on the road highway, took it to the dealership and they said that nothing is wrong and no codes found! Terrible and dangerous car :'( don't buy Ford
IMO the difference between a good video and a bad video many times is the audio. Mic up the next time you do one man. I have my volume turned up to max and cannot make out what you are saying.
Same here. I may have to bail
The engineering's should get slapped in the face why change something that's not broken that's why i don't buy new cars hate all that crap electronics