What Are Tyre Inserts & Who Are They For? | Cushcore Wheel & Rim Protection For Mountain Bikers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2020
- Tyre inserts have become a popular accessory for mountain bikers in recent years, but what exactly do they do and what type of rider will benefit from them the most? We sent pretty much the whole crew to go and find out! With the whole Cushcore Range, we're heading to the hills to ride everything from XC to Enduro, and even Chris from EMBN joined on his E-bike!
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Tyre inserts allow you to run less pressure in your tyres since you're replacing that air volume with a foam damping agent. This, in turn, makes the tyre feel more controlled when it deforms around terrain and corners and gives you maximum grip. Tyre inserts support your tyres in the corners decreasing 'tyre roll' which can make your bike feel odd in the corners and even if you corner hard enough, burp the bead off of the rim. The final main benefit of a tyre insert is to protect your rim and wheel from impacts that can happen when trail riding. There is a trade-off of adding more weight to your wheel, and in the event of ride ending tyre slice, having to remove an insert trail side can be difficult. Do the positives out-weight the negatives in your mind? They do in ours! Do you need a tyre insert for your riding? Let us know in the comments 👇
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we can't just ignore neils swag hair cut🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Some quiff!
so should I tubless I'm a noob but I have everything to do it
Hardtail High Jinks yes do you have all the necessary bits, like proper tires, valves, sealant etc.?
Lego man.
Great to see all the lads back together!
Then there's me still running tubes...
Me to mate, me too
Nothing wrong with that.
Only run cushcore cos I have a hardcore hardtail. I'll still take tube everyday if I didn't do a wheel every months
Same as 👍
On my old DDG COMBAT ISSUES the inner tubes have been in over 18years 🤣
Yeah same, and I’m running less pressure than all of them. 18 front 22 rear. No issues with pinch flats. Weigh 145lbs.
I installed CC's about three years ago. I won't ride without them anymore. I think they were as transformative to riding as a dropper post. Yes, they are more stable in the berms, but I think they really excel in sharp/rocky chunk. You can hammer rock gardens with wreckless abandon. I weigh 63 kilos and I run 18 psi F and 23 psi R.
What brand?
Really well done advertising vid! I like when you openly state having partners like pole, vittoria and cush core! Makes me feel like you are open and honest to your viewers. Also we all have to make money somehow :-)
I tried cushcore a while back. Definitely reduces trail chatter but couldn’t get away from the added weight and somehow made the bike feel less agile and playful overall. No one mentioned the dreaded install! Happy to be back on a standard tubeless set up and run pretty much the same pressures.....
I appreciate the benefits of tyre inserts, however I don't see how the braking test proves anything. Different riders, different bikes, and therefore different weights; (as well as different geo and suspension) different braking systems, different tyres. A very long bow to draw, to put the test results purely down to different tyre pressures giving more/less traction
True, but this is fun/informational content, so some parts are pure fun and some informative. The test was more fun than scientific in my opinion.
I really believe tire inserts will only get better. They're just like elastic/bump-stop dampers, which are relatively easy to model. 5:35. Like you wisely stated, Phill, different frame geometry, tires, body position/weight allocation, etc. This test isn't very conclusive.
@@williamstryker6643 I'm running DoubleDown tyres on my eeb atm, so don't feel the need for inserts. But running inserts would allow me to run lighter tyres. I have Nukeproof ARD in my accoustic bike but there's probably much better options out there. As you say, the technology is improving and it will be interesting to see how products evolve
@@GrafRamolo yeah I totally get the whole fun thing, no issue with that, but I watched this because I wanted to learn something
i just appreaciate them having fun together
The Boyz together riding 👊
Good to see you all together having a blast
Neil you look hard to beat the Pole, looked like your well at home on it.
Seriously thinking of fitting an insert on my rear wheel on my Scout
SO nice to see you guys together on the trail again!
I run Cushcore on both my XC and enduro bike. Definitely has benefits. Noticed on my XC bike that now with lower pressures I can lean more on turns, which before was a bit sketchy. What I havent had yet is a flat on Cushcore. While I've seen people complete a ride with just Cushcore, cant imagine trying to remove it to put a tube in.
Broke a carbon wheel this weekend on my Ripmo. I had CushCore installed previously but I thought a heavier tire casing would protect me. Nope! I can't stand higher PSI because the ride feels rough so back to CushCore for a plush ride and extra protection!
5:09 Neil is also significantly lighter, which I'd be willing to bet is overwhelmingly the major factor. It's a shame they didn't swap bikes and try it again.
It's insignificant. Bike weight and gear they wore offset those. It's the knobs in those tires and technique as well, it's Neil!
It’s nice to finally have all of the GMBN peeps back together🤘
Could you please decrease the loudness of the music and increase the loudness while speaking in the future Videos?
Please!
I've been telling this for many years, no change
...or remove the music entirely.
Yeah it’s not an avengers movie
Great video as usual guys, but I feel like the inclusion of a trail/hardcore hardtail would have made a lot of sense as it's where the rim protection and suspension element of the insert are really going to be shown especially with how hard Blake can ride his scout.
I’ve always been curious about this technology, thanks for the explanation!
Anyone else surprised by how high a pressure they are running, I weigh about the same as Blake and run 19psi on a 160mm trail/enduro bike with cushcore.
Yeah but he's pro...
I mean, i run around 37psi on the rear for a hardtail and around 28 on the front, (I am running 2.2 tires) and i still get pinch flats running tubeless, tire inserts seem like they would be for me
They are new to mtb riding that is why they are on the high side :D I run similar pressure as yours. I got suprised as well...37psi :DDDD
@@ameraldas3641 you must be fast mate. Never had any flats on my Am meta ht and I consider myself above average in speed.
@@ameraldas3641 You might wnat to run a bit lower pressure. Standard pressure for tubless is like 24 in the back 22 in the back.
Finally! Glad to see all the shredders together. Now can we get a Game of Bike?
I'm back to using a tube with the Tannus armour insert on my rear wheel and it feels good. As a heavy rider (actual weight and clumsily battering into things!) I've had issues with pinch flats, burping and rim damage. Only got a couple of hundred miles on the Tannus but it seems good so far and I'm now able to run 25 psi where without the insert I was running 40-50 psi to try and keep the snakebites away!
I don't have any real evidence, but I think my 29er is more prone to snakebites than my old 26 was. Maybe more momentum, maybe going faster. Maybe it's just in my head! Could be a future gmbn feature, does wheel size affect puncture likelihood?!
I've gone with Tannus inserts with tubes. No more hassle with latex bunging up the valve, pump and tyre. No weight difference but so much easier.
Been waiting for a video like this
I feel like the biggest thing I've noticed isn't even mentioned. I just thought 29ers had vague and non precise steering until I tried cushcore. The sidewalk stability is huge and made my 29er come alive in handling. Never new I had issues with tire squirm, until I installed cushcores. Now I'm stuck with them, because I can't imagine riding without that precise steering.
Interesting - I don't run Foam Inserts but I have Bontranger Rim Strips which aid the Tubeless setup and also holding the bead of the tyre to the rim. 85kg kitted with water and I run 20F / 22-24R on 29 x 2.4 tyres. Not had any issues with this combo and carbon rims be it rowdy rock gardens (Finland is the home of those especially from where Pole comes from) to DH tracks in Aus.
Interesting enough Nino runs sub 20psi on his XC bike with 2.4 tyres.
I haven’t got around to doing tubeless on my latest bike but I definitely plan to with an insert on the rear
Interesting... Never thought of running the core in just one tyre... Seems like an obvious thing in hindsight.
Joseph Fletcher yeah I’m thinking it will keep the front end feeling light and the tears the one to take the big hits
Some dh riders use an XC in the front and a heavier one in the rear
Same- That was my plan on my Ragley Blue Pig hardtail. Rear only, let me drop pressure, and worry less about annihilating my rear wheel.
I just love your style mates - you are the funniest bunch I have seen :)
6:19 satisfying root breakage
Yes! I was gonna go get some inserts!
Wow i love this video you all have put soo much effort in in thats amazing
Do they also act like volume spacers in forks, so do they make the tire more progressive, by replacing the air with something else?
I would assume so however you really don't need much squish in a tyre
They do that a little bit
Yes
Yes
Prajwal Pingali depends what bike you’re on. On a plus size hardtail the rear tire pressure is everything. I run my trek Stache at 13-15 psi sometimes, would probably notice the difference in feel.
Hey GMBN, love the video! Looks like Blake got a nasty scrape on this downtube :0
Love it when you guys ride together
Modest Neil...you have great brake skills etc
I still think running a tube is so much simpler. But you guys definitely got me curious about tubeless, so I'll soon convert my trail bike to tubeless to experience the difference myself. I'm so afraid of puncture or damaging the rim with lower pressure though... inserts would definitely help me feel more confident I'm not going to have a puncture or damaging the rim.
i want more videos like these!
Stop having so much fun 😂 Great vid...ordered the cushcores!!
A lot of the benefits of tire inserts mentioned in this video are quite specific to CushCore, such as supporting and dampening the sidewalls. People shouldn't expect to see all these benefits from a simple insert like a Huck Norris or similar.
Yeah.
Tannus inserts are awesome!
I have a 3.0 tire bike and have heard that Cushcore might make wide tires squirm less. I'm not really sure I want the added weight, but I find that getting the right PSI with tubeless is very sensitive. If I want to run as low as I can go, about 10 psi, I will feel a lot of roll in corners and can burp air out if not careful. Maybe I could really smash corners with Cushcore because I could run 9-10 psi and not worry about the tire squirming a lot or burping?
Very good editing !!!
Enduro Neil FTW! Blake is fun to watch on any bike. Respect for Rich bringing the XC. Loling at e-bike boyeee, no we don't want to head over to embn.
i'd love to race you on my normal bike just to see if its only talk, its BS like that makes no sense in the bike community... i have both e-mtb and normal mtb and believe me there is space and moment for both. you can have loads of fun and a hard workout on a ebike if you want, and you can also be a poser on a normal mtb... which is what most of the people that comment the way you did are...
WOOO 5AM EST LETS GOOO
Nice👍
I have nukeproof ADR rim protection in both wheels but I think I'm going to use it in rear wheel only
Good info, thanks. 👍🏻
Good vid, interesting stuff. Do really have to put up with ebikes? They have their own channel now.
What I can't understand about low tyre pressures is the manufacturer spent a looooong time getting the profile just right so the side knobs dig in when their meant to, not dragging when upright but supportive in the turns.
Yes the suggested PSI on the side is a bit of them covering their asses but is it not also the optimum range found during testing?
Then we bung them on, cough in the valve and ride it about with the side wall calling mercy.
What I'd like to know is what pressures are run during testing?
Are they designed in profile and construction with the expectation we'll run them that low?
And if run at the suggested pressures are they that bad? Does the rubber suddenly find grip by biting through rather than smothering the ground.
Iam guessing it's a bit of both. One the hand you are right that testing makes manufacturers set a window in which to operate the tires in. On the other hand you should go with what you feel is right.
$70 for a piece of foam. Tell me how a piece of foam cost more than The tire it sits inside. There's a reason why mountain biking is for 30 and older is because they're the only people that can afford to do it. Source: Im 34 with an insert.
Thanks for pumping some money back into Oregon, anyway
Hello great video guys, I weight 135 lbs with 26x 2.35 tubeless maxxis ardent tires I'm running 28 psi ft 30psi rear I ride in phx desert lots of rocks how low psi can I go at my weight without inserts?
@gmbn Did Neil say he lowered pressure to 2 to 3 lbs or by 2 to 3 lbs? Also, thoughts on cushcore for a plus wheel?
Dude your hair is epic in this video!!!
Love your vids
200lbs and run my 27.5 carbon wheels with Vitoria inserts at 34 psi rear and 30-32 psi front with magic Mary dh tires front and rear on a dh bike.
Wish I could have so many bikes like them
Idk if you guys covered this, but do you guys actually use cush core in your personal bikes gmbn?!
I know tubes add a bit of resistance and weight...but I was hoping to hear more in comparison to the cushcores...anymore pros & cons?? I'm still deciding on Tubless and this seems intriguing...I ride to most my trails and its a journey each time, so I am curious how I can get more protection on & off road while getting faster offroad some gnarly terrain.🤙
It's an ad dude, no way Cushcore would pay to promote positives of other inserts.
GMBN uses the best soundtracks.
Neil "Gonna lower pressures and see if I can find a bit more grip" shoulda had a Conti :D
Are we just going to ignore Neils Pole Stamina! Nice bike
Wish they could add more slow mo shots when bike goes steep uphill at snail pace.
I'm riding with tire inserts named innertube
Do you also wear lycra?
lol just realised what you said. Me, was looking for tire inserts called innertube as a brand 👀
@@skfunk4550 XD
@@skfunk4550 Haha - I was concerned you may be an old-schooler!
@@jgobree tubeless and never going back, then again i never had tubes before 🤦♂️
Would've been good to know the final PSIs compared to the starting figures?
voodoo hoodoo upgrade vid ! (i think it should be with second hand or cheap parts)
@tomer altman yeah I've been waiting for that video too
When I got my optic I bought some cushcore pro. Used them for 2 weeks and never again. Just can feel them when pedaling and I hate it. And I look at it if I destroy my wheel then I just have a excuse but buy some I9 wheels..
I watched you guys film it
I'm loving News Neil Hair 😍
Neil's Trim is epic😂😂😂
dont mind me, running tubes and never had a flat on the trails. Probably down to me not being skilled enough to ride gnarly enough trails that I would risk a puncture, but still. Blown more tubes commuting through town, and just by having a bike sitting in the sun than I have out mountain biking
Blake riding clips !🤯
yoo, you guys should make a drink coosie or whatever they are called. the things that you put around drinks the keep them cold, or warm
And ride them all time whenever I want to ride and race
Can i run inserts with tubes to avoid snakebites ?
Blake’s Reactor😍
Me hearing those presures dmn those are high, checking mine own bike 27,5-2.8 with tubes f 19psi /r 21 psi.
Might put the xc in the back of my Enduro just a bit of protection without adding to much weight
How long since blake started using clipless pedals?
I love all the mtb
Wouldn’t running pressures low enough that the tire sidewall wrinkles decrease the tires life?
Anyone know if Muc Off valves can be used with the cushcore ? Or do i really need the original ones ?
You want to know who they're for?
Me for one. And anybody else who's tired of getting flats on a tubed rear wheel all the time from extreme riding. If you can go tubeless and get the foam.
What about Nukeproof tyre inserts? Opinions?
They suck
@GMBN do you recommend inserts front and rear, or just rear? What did this test use?
We had them front and rear for this test. You can go rear only, but to be honest the damping and sidewall support makes it worth going front and rear because you'd have a grippy subdued rear end and a more chattery lively front, it's all about balance.
Goh, Neil's Pole is gorgeous 💙
I get incredible " more tire on the ground" with my DT Swiss 40 mm inner width wheels and my 2.6 tires. Even running 26 &22 psi , No Cushcore needed at all.
Low pressure, even with inserts, is begging for a sidewall tear. By backing the sidewall you're forcing it to fold vs flex. This will significantly shorten the sidewall life for aggressive riders on rocky trails. Plus you need to add 25% more sealant, it interferes with sealant circulation, and the insert adds significant rolling mass. Climbing is significantly impeded because your pushing that extra mass up the hill. Just run normal PSI and use proper bike to body balance and you're going to stick to everything possible. Just stay away from the impossible. Physics wins the day every day.
Bloody rim job , saved by the cush
I'd love to try inserts, but a single cushcore costs $100 CDN. It's a piece of frickin foam...should be $40 max.
Agree 100 is insane. I used Walmart thorn tube tires with their thorn liner. Which is only 12$ for the liner 11$ for the tube. I never had a flat
It’s absolutely worth it for riders that go hard in chunk. $150 for the set is much cheaper than a new wheel. The ride quality is immensely improved as well. Total game changer
I'm using Ratbites & had good results with them. Look em up!
Try Tannus inserts. Much cheaper and I like them better.
Could try some foam pipe insulation from your local hardware store.
Can you get cushcore for fatbikes?
I need some
Is Neill's barber still in quarantine? 😄
I'm happy to find out that Neil and I are both running the same tyre pressure front and rear :) Love my cuchcore interts !
Nice
Do you run it tubeless and foam insert or is it just foam and inner tube?
I run tubeless + cush core no flats 4 2 years
Dinged my rear rim on my Vitus hardtail so i’m just about to put in nukeproof ard on the rear. No need for full sus now 😁.
Skip all the fuss and go straight to Cushcore
Just upgraded my wheels to cushcore and they are awesome!
Narrower tubes size ?
I love my cushcore
Damn you guys run some high psi...
I’m 67kilo and run 21psi rear 20psi front.
Because they're good enough to not need so much contact area to maintain grip. Try it sometime. (not sarcasm)
You would do at 67 kilo. I couldn't run that pressure weighing in at 89 kilo.
There seems to be a lot of comments from light weight riders moaning about high tyre pressures, It's relevant to your body weight.
Is Blake running clips
30 psi, 29er, cushcore, DH casing on that ebike. You're definitely not ever going to flat...
How do you apply this mtb insert into the wheel? Does it only work with tubeless tires?
Yeah
Yo can use a kind of foam (floating device, insulating foam) and it will go between the tire and the tube, hopefully it work!
Are you doing a review of the Pole or have I missed that?
They don't do reviews.
Tomi Saaranen th-cam.com/video/4F0rjzzBgZA/w-d-xo.html
Tomi Saaranen They do ride bikes and tech and talk about it. Thats a kind of review imo. But call something else if you want.