Film Theory: The BAD Truth about The Good Place Ending (ft. Pitch Meeting)
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The finale of The Good Place was AMAZING and everything I wanted from the series. Yet, there are still a few questions left to answer. Today Theorists, I want to focus on one of my favorites, Michael Realman. You see, I think Mr. Demon wasn't just there to torture our main protagonists. No, in fact he may have been in his own Bad Place the whole time! Theorists, it's time to get Good and uncover the truth about Michael's Bad Place.
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Writer: Matthew Patrick
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Remember when Jason figured out it was the bad place 😂😂😂😂 a real low point for Michael
“jAsoN figured it out?”
That and the, "yeah, this one hurts," lines are my favorite from the entire show.
Mar Ro sameee
It's one of those unforgettable scenes 😂
@JP Heath yep they're on a prank show
Hold on MatPat, Jason wasn’t a failed DJ; he was PRE-successful.
No one understands Jason's true genius
Lol
I'm pre-successful too in life
kudos for that carlinism.
I'm merely failed to win
"Ya basic... That's a human insult... it's devastating... you're devastated..."
I love this so much.
YOUR GLUE?
My favorite moment from TGP
YA DEVISTATED
I love telling this story. I met Ted Danson (Michael) once while the show was on air. I told him it was my favorite show and how much I loved it. He was so ecstatic and thanked me and told me he was really excited for me to watch the next season (which was season 3 or 4) and how he knew I would love it. He was the sweetest person I’ve ever met and he was really passionate about the show
You should have told him to take it Sleezy
@@NinetyLegoslol
I met him too, at the beach! He spat it my mouth and kicked my teeth in, really down to earth guy!
@@nuttynutsnutstache hes just like me fr
I LOVE TELLING THIS STORY OMG: my parents told me that when i was four i ran into him with a shopping cart and he was really nice about it, and he told me i was a cute little kid. ted danson is the sweetest
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that in S02E02 “Dance Dance Resolution” when *Eleanor* and *Chidi* are trying to come up with a plan after they escaped to the medium place, *Mindi* shows them a list of all the plans they have tried before and one of them was, “Make Michel think he’s the one in the bad place”
Yousef Gamer u smart
*Think* is the keyword there. Make him *think* he’s in the bad place. So the theory kind of falls apart ther
Catch that magic panda. Use here powers.
chunky cheese
Not really, the humans might not know they actually really are torturing Michele.
(But if we’re being real, i think the theory/twist was possibly what the writers where planing/considering, but they changed their minds for a deeper and more satisfying ending, probably because of the bonds the characters gained between each other, which would have been disregarded or devalued for the sake of a twist)
And they bring it up another time
2:35
Jason Mendoza: "I wasn't a failed DJ, I was pre-successful."
Gets my parents every time.
Great outlook on life tbh. Staying positive AF.
Hello lolipop
@@rockyfromtpot7346 hey rocky
wait a sec
Lolipop?
I did not expect you to be here
Michael's giggle when Eleanor figures it out will never not give me chills
Fr
It was iconic
It was scary, make sense though.
I know he’s a demon in this show, but Ted Danson just seems like the sweetest man to me
No matter how old he gets or what happens to his hair, I can’t distinguish him from Becker! 😂
Fr
He is, I’ve met him.
“JASON figured it out? JASON? this is a low point for me. yeah, this one hurts. ow.”
Lol. tbh, i would react the same if i was micheal.
I mean 😭 who wouldn’t
I mean, Jason figured out in the same situation that Eleanor did the first time
*Gotta give credit where credit is due*
*also he knew it was a prank show ;)*
@@certiimxhzn *wise words.*
Okay Jason is a “pre-successful” DJ not a failed one.
Oh dip. Same thought here
He's a successful DJ in the afterlife!
someone said it 😌
@@ThuyTran-qv1qc I'M TELLING ON YOU!
"they think im taiwanese, im filipino"
I once watched like 5 minutes of an episode of The Good Place and laughed and said "wouldn't it be really funny if it turned out they were in the bad place?" and they just looked at me in shock and I didn't know why at first.
I watched the first half of the first episode with my sister who'd seen the whole thing and I went "something is up with the 'good place' it's not really the good place"
Yeah, I watched it ahead of my best friend, and before the first big reveal, I kept going on rants about how something was off. "They spend eternity with the same neighbors.. that sounds like a nightmare" "this would not be my good place"
I was watching it with my brother and on the first episode when I first saw Michael I said, he's probably the bad guy and he was in shock.
Sounds like you watch too much Game Theory
My brother did something similar to me once.
(Spoilers for Steven Universe)
He saw me in a Steven Universe shirt and said, "Why does he have a diamond for a belly button?" I know it's probably because in his mind all gems = diamond, but it still shocked me a bit.
The season one twist is so underrated. It truly got me when I first saw it. I also loved the call back to it in their test good place with Brent (was that his name?) and Chidi.
When you watch the season one finale back there’s a MASSIVE clue that really should have given it away. Real Eleanor comes into Fake Eleanor’s house and says she is taking one of the slots to the bad place. She wasn’t there when that agreement was made - how would she have known about it?? It’s so obvious yet it took me several viewings to notice it.
Also, just to add as an aside, I loved the little nod to the Good Place in Lucifer at the end of season five, when Lucifer goes to heaven and the guy that meets him there cannot swear, saying “what the fork?!” or something like that. Brilliant stuff.
The whole thing with Michael becoming human is just that, he’s human now. He’ll have to go through the system when he dies and eventually will walk through the door like the rest of his friends. On that note, The Good Place is one of my favorite shows in recent years, so please do your other theory on it
Mark Hutto yeah this theory video kinda is a “waaa waah” 👎🏼
I find the theory plausible but I think that the bit on Michael's torment being eternal was wrong as by turning him human and giving him the opportunity to leave, the humans beat the 'mega demon'.
Unless, of course, when he does die, the so called mega demon wipes his memory and sends him back to the fake good place where he repeats all of the seasons forever, making it eternal. As I'm writing this, I realise that it is possible that the humans who went through the door are not at peace and are just waiting for Michael to die and start again, making Michael's torment identical and eternal. This would make sense as if there is a mega demon that can control Michael to an extent, surely it can influence the humans to create a flawed door that ultimately sends them back to the first season. If you've seen this message before it's because I'm going to copy paste it, I've just realised that this is gold and matpat should hire me ok thanks for reading
@@ethanpower4613 ok i'm glad i read this comment
Mark Hutto do you know some one named Diane
Please do the other theory, MatPat.
Eleanor: Like who died and left aristotle in charge
Chidi: *p l a t o*
“Well yeah but who dies and left Plato in charge?” Eleanor asks after the scene
*S* *O* *C* *R* *A* *T* *E* *S*
I remember that 😂
I dont get it
It's now 666 likes, you're welcome
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"Get your mind out of the gutter, Eleanor. I was talking about my testicles"
Is such a good line 😂
That makes me wonder what would be worse in a demons eyes
4:58 I remember when Eleanor went back to Mindy’s in one of the reboots and she showed a list of failed ideas thst they have tried in the reboots before. One of them said “Make Michael think HE is the on in the bad place.”
You missed something here: You concluded, at the end, that Michael would eventually die and watch friends disappear for eternity without ever being able to leave himself.
Demons can't leave through the door... but humans can, and Michael is human now. He'll die, eventually make his way to the Good Place, and, when he's ready, will now be able to go through the door himself, since he's human.
The door is just a trick, meaning it would never work for him.
He is still being tortured even when he is a human so why would he get the opportunity to stop the torture.
@@Victorious_ evidence?
@@Victorious_ only because he was a demon - he's human now
That was literally what i was going to comment
Yeah, but I don’t think the “humans” are actually human. Well, if the theory is correct, that is, so yeah. The door is not real.
I love how subtle, yet accurate it is when Matpat mentions "physical torture" and shows an eggplant being stomped.
Yea bc in the show in the bad place they flatten your pp
Thas just funny
Yeah and they spoke in the show about how the bad place has been flattening pickles in the meantime and it's not as amusing to them
CBT
😶
Really digging this video up because I just finished the show.
But, I think the point that was missed was not about torture but about trials and change. The humans changed, but due to the wheels Michael put in motion, everyone went through some form of betterment.
When they finally got to the Good Place, they found that without change, without struggle, without sisyphean tasks, paradise is worthless. Michael's struggles were what earned him his worth, but we see that even he, even the committee, even the frog loving doorman grow weary of everything they've ever wanted. He earned his mortality tooth and nail. Those were the steps towards allowing him to become one with the ocean in the end.
What started as torture for the four humans was realised to be trials. This realisation was Michael's initial growth that kicked off the entire arc; from demon to deity to mortal to dust.
Are you British?
Sorry that was probably a very weird comment to receive! I noticed you spelled “realised” and “realisation” with an S instead of a Z and I was a bit curious! Sorry…
are you saying that you dont think michael is being tortured I refuse to believe that michael is being tortured everything that happens in the show is torture for michael, i agree with that but whats that point of living if there arent any problems if there isnt a rock to push up a hill .he chose to create the good place he knew the risks but he had to try, he didnt think that he was going to have to retire .if he thought that he could retire then why would he care when chidi tells him he might have to retire if shawn finds out that the second trial also failed
YES IM SO HAPPY THAT YOU DID A VIDEO ON THE GOOD PLACE
Edit: I just realised that this was posted 2 yrs ago 😭
Lol I found out about it through this episode, and the proceeded to binge watch it 6 times in a row...i still come back and watch this episode every now and then because it makes a lot of sense and i always seem to miss something...
Thing: *exists*
MatPat: The main character is secretly kidnapping children and torturing them whilst being a child him/herself.
awwww.... thats a adorable profile pic!
I mean like, true though
you forgot the 10 foot tall thing
Reminds me of Julius from Genealogy of the Holy War
Isn't that just Monica from ultra despair girls?
The last word said in this series is “sleazy”
Just felt like pointing that out
The most heartfelt "sleazy" of all time
William Vouk The other guy responds with “alright”. It’s quiet, but it’s there
Ryan Collins I was gonna say that, and I was quite dissappointed that it wasnt sleazy that ended the show 😢
William Vouk fax
No it's not
I'm sorry Mat, you're amazing and you can usually find a needle in a haystack to nitpick in shows, but The good place was 104% perfect, their plot was amazingly well written and tied together, there's no space for a crazy and amazing theory like usual.
But still, I had fun, this is legitimately my favorite series of all and I'll always love watching more content about it.
i love the fact you said 104% perfect like micheal said things could be up to 104% perfect ☠️
They went to the middle place in one episode, and reviewed all their old plans from previous resets, one of them is, "Make Michael think HE'S the one in the bad place" xD
JUST LIKE FORKING BEYONCÉ!!!!!!!!!!
“Micheal’s existence is one of ceaseless torment, insecurity, and constant disappointment”
High School Students: first time?
School period
but matpat, the whole reason he became a human was so that he'll eventually get to walk through the space dust door himself when he's ready. suffering over, good conclusion for everyone
True, forgot that
what if he was human all the time and the torture was that he was thinking he was a demon and he become a human again and they do the same torture again when he dies and its go on for ever and eleanor and her friends are the actors in the torture
@@architype84 that's a bit rich, my friend
@@aplusk3081
Excuse me i dont speak
english as my first language and i dont get what "that is a bit rich " means
@@architype84 it means they don't agree with you
Actually, since he's Human now, once he dies and passes his test, he can eventually go through the door like the others. So.
Exactly
@@yasminepadilla Michael becomes human so when he dies and has his test to see if he should go to the good place, once hes finished he can walk through the door (not exist anymore) so hes like everyone else
Yes then he can rejoin Janet so she isn’t alone for long
but he also won’t have any reason to really stay in the good place because everyone would be gone accept Janet. he’s probably just walk on through sadly
@@Loveteyah He has new friends that he made on Earth that he'd probably want to spend time with
after his human life, Michael will go through the system and will be allowed to go through the final doorway when he wishes
All I can say is THE GOOD PLACE is the best series I have ever watched.
It was something out of the box and I loved it they should do a little spin of series of Michael on earth or just Janet.
That would be nice, but then after a season if that what do you do, it's something that really wouldn't last that long and probably wouldn't even be good
No, like the seasons end, all good things must come to an end, nothing lasts forever.
@@rollinsolo1157ye I agree in my opinion they should make shorts of Jason reacting to the Jaguars winning or something like that
Just a question:
Since Michael becomes human at the end, doesn't that mean that once he reaches the afterlife he will be able to enter the doorway and become dust himself?
It technically also means noone is in charge of heaven rn
@@ThePhant0m100 oh dip, dog. You're right
DeMarco Saunders, Janet could run the good place
I thought of this too but what I think MatPat means is, Michael is being tortured even though he doesn't know it, so it wouldn't make sense for them to let him through the door, so I think it implies that when he gets back to the afterlife it will ALL be changed. Think about what Eleanor said when she bid Michael farewell. She warned him, asking if this is what he really wants because they don't really know what's going to happen. by the time Michael returns Shawn could have launched a coup or the system could have been completely changed or taken over. This was the plan all along. Michael won't get to experience the perfect afterlife he helped balance, and will instead be further tortured for eternity and this time without his loyal band of cockroaches.
DeMarco Saunders True, but I guess maybe it’s kinda run by itself and the Janets, Michael said he has no purpose once the new system was acted upon.
“Everyone here thinks I’m Taiwanese, I’m Filipino. The good place is so racist” I just snorted. I have a Filipino friend and he constantly gets a similar thing.
You shouldn’t be watching this video if you didn’t watch the show
@@yeyeyeyeyeyeyyeyey who cares? He just wants to watch some MatPat.
@@yeyeyeyeyeyeyyeyey boi i have never watched the show and i still kind of got what was happening
Mediocrity wtf man Jesus my brain hurts
Heaven is so racist
0:09 very creative spoiler alert
11:18 the fact that he’s never retired is really what sells it for me
he didnt retire because it was actually the good place janet it makes sense. michael is not being tortured
Maybeee the whole show was michaels test to get into the good place after he died as a human at the end of the show, so it’s in a loop? Jerimy berimy baby
No.
that's fucking good
Thank youu ! I've been waiting for this comment ! I thought the same.
He's definitely in the dot over the 'i'
Minus Tuesday
Ted Danson as Michael couldn't have been a more perfect choice, he balances the plotting demon and the sensitive dreamer sooooo well and so uniquely
Also the laugh. Just, the laugh...
I was imagining Jeff Goldblum as Michael.
SO GOOD I loved him
My gramma dated him once for a while
A pisces forrrreal
Remember when Shawn called out PewDiePie in season 4 😂
No.
@@UltimatePerfection ok thanks
Very
That was the least funny moment in the entire show
@@thecactuscats2852 yeah, i was thinking "ok, what did pewdiepie do to the writers to deserve that?"
I've just finished watching the show and my theory goes a tad deeper. I think they all have been going through their trials all along, trials they created. Since time in afterlife is looped and even Janet says she experiences all of time simultaneously, it makes sense that all that happened already. They show that they can enter human timeline at any selected point. After the final scene I was thinking that if humanity had conscience already, then the ending must've happened before the show started. So my theory is that Chidi became Eleanor's little voice and Jason became Doug's voice, then told Doug how the point system works when he got high enough. Jason did like to talk after all. Maybe Doug's missing 8% was what the team came up with for the purgatory.
Getting an actual DEMON to become human, die, then become good enough to get to the good place is like THE ULTIMATE way to test the system.
THIS
Julliana Paulino OH MY FUCKING GODDD
Julliana Paulino dogma film?
Maybe the system they implemented already existed and after a lot of Jeremy Bearimy the sun extinguished all of humanity. The last beings who had to be lead to their peace were all the importal beings we saw and Michael is one of them. The things we see, the whole show is his run through of torture, finding a purpose, losing it, find out what you really need, fulfillment and closure, that Michael goes through.
I thought the point of the ending was that he could finally go to The Good Place and then pass through the door when he's ready. It's Janet who's really lost everyone for good.
Janet won't be forced to live forever, she can be marbleized.
But if you listen to Janet speaking to Jason right before she leaves him to walk through the door when he decides to its time to go through the end door, Janet doesn't experience time in the same way that humans do, so when she remembers her friends it's like she's reliving every experience, she exists outside of linear human time, so while she did say goodbye to them, and they won't exist anymore, they're never really gone for Janet because she exists in all times. That always makes me feel better about Janet being the only one left and having to say goodbye to Jason.
Remember Tahani is still there
yeah I realised this as well. He's a human, so he will also experience the same 'peace' moment and walk throguh the door like everyone else eventually. Matpat just ignored this
@@krishvids608 Of course he ignored it. That's his whole ouvre.
I've always wondered what happened to the leaders of the good place after they ran away saying not to try to find them. But there are only so many places to go in this universe. Like are they just hanging out IHOP?
i wish we saw them eventually return and find out the problem they were facing for millenia got solved in a day lol
I like how they use the concept of prisoners’ dilemma to model how repetition can solve the dilemma.
...I also like how Jason gets a ton of stuff right and has great ideas.
Remember when Micheal joked that only Phoebe from friends should be in the good place, but then Lisa Kudrow showed up in the the good place as patty. then what happens when the actual lisa kudrow shows up?
Kimberly Whitton I was wondering that too. It seemed like a casting mistake seeing as how they had just mentioned Phoebie not so long ago. The broke the canon rules of their own universe by showing that the same actress is herself an actress within the show playing the role of another person.
Maybe in the show Patty was Lisa Kudrow's great great great great (however many greats it takes to get back to Patty's time) grandmother and that's why it looks like her?
@@thebelen2359 yeah maybe
@@machomancake I thought they deliberately did that as a joke
Christina they did lol
When it was revealed that Michael could become human I thought he was gonna be born and live an entire life. Who would wanna start their life in their mid 70’s?
Michael.
I dont think he actually wanted to live completely like human,he just wanted a retirement
a wise old man close to ready to die...
@@jarodcito the good kind of retirement hahahah
Imagine being parent of immortal demon who designed afterlife and became human
Michael *definitely* needs a hug, I really feel about him demons can be good and angels can be bad, not everyone is truly perfect. I would like to give him a hug
As someone who has died briefly and been resuscitated; then awoke to find my life was now worse due to a disability, this gave me huge amounts of existential dread.
You forgot the part: *”jAsOn fIgurEd iT oUt!?”*
He also forgot Elenor saying "Make Michael think he is the one in the bad place"
That’s not the important part
Andrea Jones it is very important.
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"Oh that hurt.."
Eleanor lays it out explicitly: he's human. He will live as a human. He will die as a human, not knowing what comes next. He will go through his reincarnations as a human. In time, like Chidi and Jason and Eleanor and Jameela, he will reach bored-stiffness (er, sorry--nirvana...) and choose to go through the gate. If he takes her offer, he will just become one more working part of the solution he himself helped develop. Which makes Michael the central figure who is redeemed, rather than the central figure who is never redeemed.
what if he was human all the time and the torture was that he was thinking he was a demon and he become a human again and they do the same torture again when he dies and its go on for ever and eleanor and her friends are the actors in the torture
you're forgetting that she also says that he MIGHT go through the system and there's no way to know what will actually happen to him
@@architype84 Possible but no supporting evidence to say the humans were the demons except for conspiracy theories. Nice what if scenario tho.
It also puts him into a decent enough spot for that decision already, i mean he doesn't have to live a complete new life from birth to death, he's pretty old already. At least that what it looks like in the short scene shown. I'll have to go and watch that show now after i forgot all its twists i guess.
@@SisselTheCat thanks
I mean, since he was turned into a human in the last episode, when he dies and lives out his afterlife in the good place, he'll be able to go through the door and "die" in the eternal way he saw his friends die. Since the problem with him not being able to "eternally die" was originally that he was a demon, him being a human and living out a human life/afterlife will allow him to eternally die once he wants to again
Another theory: What if Janet is actually the one being tortured? Think about it for sec.
Janet’s whole shtick is that she’s a robot, and not a human, or as she likes to put it “not a girl”. This in itself is torture for her because no matter how hard she tries to connect with the humans and understand their habits and emotions, she can’t, simply because she is not one of them, not matter how hard she tries to be.
Another thing: the second way that Janet is being tortured is the fact that she’s basically a robot slave for everyone else in the good place. Anyone can just request her at any time and get her to bring or do anything they want, no matter how big or small or weird or wild it may be. She essentially has no free will over her own actions because she is constantly doing what others want when they want, which causes her to slowly go insane and start glitching (as seen in season 2, episode 7).
Last but not least, in season 4, when they all get to the actual good place. Yeah sure, Janet is no longer being tortured in the sense that she doesn’t have to work anymore and do stuff for other people, but then everyone she loves leaves. Micheal becomes head of the good place, tahani becomes an architect, and Eleanor, chidi, and Jason all walk through the portal and become space dust. Janet may be in paradise, but now all of her friends are gone, so the real question is Is she really in paradise or was the entire show just one big, elaborate scheme designed to torture her for eternity?
“Not a robot”
I was just going to mention that she has to watch everyone she’s ever cared about die disappear or turn into whatever Derek is
While that is a good theory, Janet says that she enjoyed helping people and that her purpose is to help people. Yes her friends go through the door but she tells Jason when he’s leaving that for her he’s not really leaving because she can always feel him in the universe. Her happiness comes from helping people and so she can help people as much as they want in the real good place.
Actually, janet interprets time differently. Past and future are one and the same to her. So, in a way, her friends never leave.
@@fenexus404 Yes!! jeremy bearimy!
“Picture a wave, in the ocean.
You can see it, measure it, its height, and the way the sunlight refracts when it passes through.
And it’s there, and you can see it, you know what it is.
It’s a wave.
And then it crashes on the shore, and it’s gone.
But the water is still there.
The wave was just a different way for the water to be for a little while.
The wave returns to the ocean where it came from, and where it’s supposed to be.”
Ok I love this show.
That's death to you, my friend. Oh i love the show
god i’m sobbing again
@@JuandiegoAvilaNEVAAA and quantum mechanics
Yup, still not over it.
I almost cried when I saw the ending
One problem: you ignored the fact that when Micheal comes back to the afterlife, he goes through the system *just like anyone else*, as the show clearly outlines. This means he would not be trapped watching people die forever, as he would have the ability to walk the the Last Door when he was ready.
in the show it is stated that it could very possibly change by the time he dies there may be no door the point system could be changed or shawn could have made it all the bad place so its not guaranteed he will be able to.
Yes, but he accepted this fact. Plus, if the system were to change, it would change for everyone, meaning everyone who died would be stuck in the new system. I guess if a system was devised that forced Michael to become immortal again was implemented, then he might have a bad time, but that is a very, very soecific and pointless change to make to a system on that scale. Micheal accepted this fact anyway, and it would seem unlikely that a complete overhaul would happen, even more unlikely to make a small change, as the old system lasted for billions of years.
@@milesturner3150 Unless going to Earth is still part of Michael's punishment and doesn't matter what happens when he dies he will just go to the next torture.
I just need to hang on to this fact because I can't stand the thought of Micheal being tortured, hasn't he suffered enough?
My thought exactly.
Just my thoughts about Michael's story. He's the key to everything because, out of all the eternal beings, he was the one with the imagination to devise something new. Yes, it results in psychological torture for him but his journey leads him from being an evil demon to becoming a good person. The other eternal beings learned things too which led to change. Michael eventually earns his reward in the Good Place but one which is unique to him - living on Earth as a mortal human. So what could happen to him after his physical body dies? As he became a real human it's very likely that he could eventually go through the final doorway but there's also another possibility. His human friend, Tahani, chose to become an architect so maybe Michael would choose this path as well. His experiences as an immortal being and a mortal human would give him a unique perspective.
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You forgot to mention that phoebe is the only friends character in the good place.
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@@AP-57 hello fellow redson
Haha wtf
@@AP-57 this has to be my new favourite interaction between youtube commenters
iconic
"You won, and you still somehow failed."
*TASK FAILED SUCCESSFULLY*
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Classic
This show was honestly one of the best shows I have ever seen in awhile
I literally just watched this entire show in the span of the last few days. I was actually expecting this to be the final plot twist because I saw the same patterns with Michael. Happy they didn't pull the trigger on it though, might not have been as satisfying an ending.
Wasn’t the whole point of Michael becoming human so that he could take the test, go to the good place and turn into space dust along with Jason, Chidi and Eleanor? That would mean that Michael wouldn’t have to see all of his friends turn into space dust because he would turn into space dust, wouldn’t it?
agreed. this vid got it wrong on the assumption that michael upon dying would turn back into a demon and not go through the system to eventual stardust. which is inaccurate
Yeah I was thinking about that too...
Assuming the theory is correct, they want him to get hope so they can steal it away from him. He'll probably encounter another obstacle on earth like accidentally causing a genocide or the rehabilitation system can't work on him because he turns back into a demon the second he dies.
EXACTLY I WAS SO CONFUSED.. he finally is gna move on
Yup I agree
No one:
Matpat: this is not what it seems it is philosophy
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No u
Don't forget when the lady in the middle place showed them their prior plans one of which was "Convince Michael that he is in the bad place"
I've seen the entire show at least 5 times. *the cube glows green*
Slightly Revised Theory: The four seasons are Michael in the New Bad Place becoming a better person. When he finally lets Vicki take charge of the reformed system and recognizes that he can't just dissipate like Eleanor and Chidi, he passes the test and finally gets to become human and go to Earth, fulfilling his dream in his own personal Good Place.
Good point Michaels good place would be earth considering his immense fascination with it
This is much better. I love this theory and wouldn't be too far from believing it, however, I still maintain it's just as simple as what we see.
THERE ARE 4 SEASON TELL ME MORE, I AM WATCHING THE SHOW ON NETFLIX AND I DONT WANT TO WAIT TILL AUGUST 25!
Considering that Michael romanticized the mundane pleasures human, life it would certainly be an intriguing idea for him to be tortured by finally becoming a human and then realizing how complicated and tumultuous real life is. But since there was nothing alluded to that in the show I don't think that's what the writers secretly intended. It makes a lot more sense that instead of punishment this would be his reward for finally passing the test.
That being said I am really interested in what other series there could possibly be about the show. Please do another one Matpat!
Maybe the system they implemented already existed and after a lot of Jeremy Bearimy the sun extinguished all of humanity. The last beings who had to be lead to their peace were all the immortal beings we saw and Michael is one of them. The things we see, the whole show is his run through of torture, finding a purpose, losing it, find out what you really need, fulfillment and closure.
For foreshadowing for this theory there’s also, “make Michael think he’s the one in the Bad Place,” from Season 2 Episode 2.
I watched this entire series on Netflix, though for season 3 and 4 I used cellular data, one of my favorite parts of being in Japan.
That would be foreshadowing.
I saw the thumbnail and I immediately remembered the idea from that episode!
Has no one seen "The Selection" exclusive web series? It's on TH-cam. I hope Matpatt knows about it... it literally has a "Bad Place" theme song and credit sequence.
I've been watching since the beginning
NeinZedd9 I saw it.
I actually think that this theory would be better if the last episode was michael beating the test and he gets to live in his idea of the good place.
I forking love this show I keep tryna get ppl to watch it with me
"Get your mind out of the gutter, I was talking about my TESTICLES"
That scene was the best 😂😂
That and "Take it sleazy" are the two best lines in the series.
Michael: “I gotta say, it took me a long time to get used to the... _hanging bits_ .“
Eleanor: “Gross.”
Michael: “Get your mind out of the gutter, Eleanor. I was talking about my testicles.”
This may be my favorite line in ANY show.
I have to agree with you, that line got me good.
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But like, what was he thinking she was thinking about?
@@BubbIeHub yes. It really is! I love that line!
@@panquake5698 The ears? idk man
Just found out you did a theory on one of my all-time favorite shows. While I disagree with the theory, I'm overjoyed to see it get the MatPat treatment and hopefully reach some new viewers!
My theory was that his work since season 1 is the good person trial so that he can become a better person after his death on earth. Which kinda makes sense when considering that time in the afterlife doesn’t only flow in one direction
actually jason figured it out. the first time he said that they're in a prank show which is technically correct
edit: y’all sorry 4 this comment lmao i obviously don’t remember what happened when i wrote it but i must have not seen where he put that clip in the video
I can tell you typed that comment about 2 minutes before it was covered in the video.
I read it at the same time
Yeah it almost like he showed the clip of him saying it ... crazy
well he didnt figure it out . . . he thought it was a prank show but never aware of what that meant.
they got pwned
But Micheal also ended up finding love on earth. The woman teaching him guitar is the actor of Michaels real wife and the director of the good place has straight up said that it was a way of showing Michael finding love himself.
Maybe is because he's also under the system and he's finally earn his way to his version of heaven
To me, the (not a) person that actually stayed alone was Janet and THAT made me sob like a baby, specially when I thought of how she experiences time. You can see, as Eleanor leaves, how sad she is. And It will never end for her.
That just means he will also be tortured emotionally when he or she dies, and probably won't get to see her in his afterlife.
@@xixXxxXxix Considering how short the human life is compared to the afterlife, it's unlikely that it will change before Micheal and his spouse gets there, and it will probably be the same once they leave
I'm so thankful for this show, as someone whose never taken a philosophy/ethics class, I'm so glad they found a way to teach us that was highly entertaining, and deeply thoughtful. Thank you Michael Schur, for trying to help us be better people.
1:00, at pitch meeting, I knew exactly what to expect.
Also, when they were at Mindy Saint Claire's one of the ideas on the back of the board was 'make Micheal believe he's the one in the bad place'
Nice catch, I remember that.
But he is in the bad place... like that whole neighborhood was located in the bad place. And Michael is from the bad place.
@@almightykue3914 Technically correct (the best kind of correct), but the question is if he is an employee or tenant.
Almighty Kue
Obviously, that's not what I meant
Monika, nice to see u here
I honestly believe this was the creator's initial destination for the show; one last big twist, probably revealing Michael as the one being tortured and Eleanor as the torturer. But at some point they realized the relationships between the characters (especially Eleanor and Michael, and Eleanor and Chidi) was just too special and profound to convolute it with that type of twist. Who knows, maybe they knew exactly how they were gonna end it since the beginning, but it definitely feels like they were building towards another huge twist that never came. But hey, that's just a theory!
KKortez A FILM THEORY!!
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A Film Theory! Annndddd CUT
A theory confirmed ceases to be a theory; it becomes fact. This may very well be their ultimate goal, but directly acknowledging so would defeat the purpose and impact.
You can torture someone without meaning to.
I love how Ryan keeps showing up in MatPat videos.
This is a pretty ingenious take, and adds yet another layer to the sequence of reveals in the show, in the very manner of the rest. One of those "once you see it" vibes that turns the entire show on its head. I wonder what Michael Schur would say about it (or if he would say anything even if it was 100% spot on.)
2020:*starts*
God: Now in terms of how I handle this moving forward, obviously, Earth is cancelled.
As i read the comment the clip played 😮😶
GOTTA ERASE THE EEEEEAAAAAAARTH!!!
ERASE THE EAAAAARTH!
@@misswbs Y E S
This theory feels like it ignores the concept of bitter sweetness and that happiness doesn’t necessarily equate to fulfillment. Which is a huge point the show makes.
Can you elaborate?
@@rassel5384 yea what they said. Expound on this
He’s saying that the video uses examples of Michael’s struggle and obstacles as being examples of his torture. But everything you experience in life is “bittersweet” or a double edged sword. This is what Eleanor is referring to when she talks about how you only get joy when things are finite. Good things are only good when there are bad things to contrast it against. So I don’t think all of the evidence supporting this theory are examples of torture, they’re just examples of challenges Michael experiences, and the tragedy that always accompanies joy in everything we experience in our lives. ... Right OP?
I think he was being tortured but not by design. He is a demon who turns good and I believe that is the result of the unintended torture by 802 tries and the other problems. The reason why he is sent to Earth is so that he can actually go through the door and the last thing shown is basically Eleanor's essence doing something good for Michael, pretty much watching over him.
But Michel isn’t happy, he may not have fulfillment, but he isn’t happy either
absolutely love this show would recommend you watch it
9:55 the answer: just like how you have cupcake when you are supposed on a diet (*PUT IT DOWN*) you start with the healthy food (not enjoyable experiences) then you have a cupcake once in a while (enjoyable experiences) then back to the healthy food (unenjoyable experiences) and continue the cycle that and let people die
Loved the theory!! I’d love to see what your other idea was for a theory too! The good place was such a good show!!
Since Michael is human now, he can go through the good place door when he's ready. That's part of the reason Eleanor helped him be human. Because he couldn't go through the door as a demon but he can now.
Yay, become your best self, then oblivion?
That is, if he can become a good person in the after life and prove that he is worth of going to the good place
@@vctrsigma there was a man who was holding onto a branch by his teeth with his hands tied behind his back. He was high up, so much so that if he fell, he would die.
A wise man walked by noticing his situation and said "Say the one word that will save you."
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When he signed that paper, he became a good place architect, or *"angel"*
The ending of the good place made me cry, not gonna lie
Man it sucks when good shows end
I’m just laying on my bed, trying to accept the fact that I’m not gonna see any more of the show anymore
Better a show ends on a high note rather than overstay its welcome and become something you dont enjoy anymore.
I've had movies and TV series make me tear up before, but the final episode of The Good Place had me loudly sobbing several times. Nothing else has ever come CLOSE to that.
It's GOOD when a good show ends. It means it doesn't stay long enough to become trash because of some soulless execs from a greedy media company.
All things must end so new things can begin. It’s the way of the universe.
I think the part you seemed to have forgotten. Michael can ABSOLUTELY leave the good place once he dies since he's human now. One day, he'll eventually will get through the system, make it to the good place get to do everything he didn't get the chance to during his stint on Earth, and eventually, his wave will go back to the ocean. I just finished this show, it was brilliant. Michael Shur, thank you
A fun story about The Good Place. I went to a live comedy show this one time in LA during the time I was watching The Good Place, and one of the actors in the comedy show played the guy in the parking lot where Elanor died who was selling pamphlets for the Clean Energy Crusaders. When I got home I watched the episode where Elanor was saved from her death and later joined the Clean Energy Crusaders, and someone in my family said, "Wasn't that the screaming goat guy from the comedy show?"
Glad MatPat has good taste. Kristen Bell is the obvious choice for everyone's celebrity crush
Bro kisten Is so fucking gorgeous
In what universe?
Who
@@plaguedoctor8180 the person who plays eleanor in the good place
@@RemoveChink all the universes
The "We're the good place; we can't just _do_ stuff" line has always infuriated me.
It's honestly one of my favorite parts of the show. Here's why: www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-good-place-creator-says-they-were-parodying-liberals-with-the-good-place-committee.html/
@@yamomwasthebomb7159 Ok this was such a great article, thanks for sharing
@@yamomwasthebomb7159 I didn't read the article but from the link that's exactly how it played in my head: a group of liberals. It was the clothing semiotics that actually did it for me.
@@yamomwasthebomb7159 I was honestly expecting to get Rick rolled
I agree. Why hasn't Chidi chimed in with something like ''your inactions are causing suffering while you have the power to stop it, so it's bad, and you're being bad''.
“The real bad place is the friends we made along the way”
BORTLESSSSSS
I love the slightly altered tune for the intro.
I love how season 1 twist was literally in the title card. “The Good Place creates by Michael”
O M I G O D
no the creator's name is michael shurr
@@Geoffjun13 That's true. But isn't it weird how both the creator of the show and the "creator" of the goodplace are both named Micheal??? It's almost as if it was intentional...
Yeah but it's no mystery he created that version of 'The Good Place', that's literally his job as an architect
i always loved that little detail. i think they named Micheal that name on purpose, since the creator of the show is named Micheal
Just realised, it could be your torture for JANET. She definitely can’t go through the door and now that she has feelings she is just leading all her friends to death and we see her hating not knowing stuff on earth and at the end she says the one thing she doesn’t know is what happens when you walk through the door so she is literally deeply afraid of the unknown and leading her husband to the deepest unknown in the universe...
Jacobius Pineconalhotra but, as she said to Jason, time doesn’t pass the same for her and she is everywhere at the same time. So if she misses any of her friends, she can just go back to a memory of them, stay there and that will be the same as living it. There’s no actual loss for her.
@@Katiellen-cz7eg but she is miserable when she leads Eleanor the same way. Besides that, she is endless and she lives multiple times at once, so, sure, let's say she will spend eternity remembering all the good moments, she can also be spending them remembering them going through the door. Besides that, she feels responsible for Michael (from what you see of her advices when he goes to Earth, almost motherly), and she will have to wait him go through the entire process to see him again. Knowing that, in the end, he will ALSO go through the door, and she will keep being useful.
@@Katiellen-cz7eg yhb
@@Katiellen-cz7eg zvhzdooo
Janet is god xD
Literally just a few hours ago, I finished this show. And I'm with you MatPat- Chidi's waves returning to the ocean speech made me A LOT
12:12 There's something else. When Michael and Eleanor confirm amnesiac Chidi's suspicions that Chidi is in the bad place...yeah so it's like a pattern. Michael reveals to Eleanor, Eleanor reveals to amnesiac Chidi and then someone will reveal to Michael...or something.
mat, here the thing. he’s becoming a human, so that he can go through the whole system, and eventually walk through the door. being human was his last life goal, and he got it. he finally got to be one, and goes through the system to eventually walk through the door. he does finally get to leave, he gets to be at peace.
the judge even mentioned that once you become human, there’s no going back.
emma olsamic it could be a trap the door is fake and no matter what he does he will never go through it human or not
@@nc9604 And what part of the show *ever* implied that?????
The bad place could erase his memory as he goes through the door and start the whole thing over
kilimenjiro i said it COULD be. Im just trying to fix the theory
It's not a very good theory if it can't be backed up by the show itself, and in fact if the show itself refutes it quite often...
"An insecure mess contemplating his own demise" is basically me in a nutshell
This theory felt like a hit to the gut.
Ditto mate
Matthew Patthew you always have crazy theories and I am always watching and enjoying them but you finally did it- you broke me. This is the one that finally broke me
Oh my gosh, I just started this show and kinda fell out of it, but watching this makes me wanna continue it! I really wanna hear the other theory you had!!
When everyone else cried:
Chidi: Eleanor is the answer.
When I cried:
Michael: Take is sleazy.
Also, OMG YESSSS, MAKE MORE THE GOOD PLACE VIDEOS!!!!!!
i cried on both. and at the "wave returning to the ocean" thiing
I think everybody cried at Take it sleazy. How could you not?
I cried when Eleanor gave the wallet back to the guy that had lost it and then he took a drawing of her daughter out of it :(
Tahani: Take it sleazy!
Michael: ... you got to say it?
Tahani: Well, then you say it back!
Michael: No no, it's not OrGaNiC
Michael now: Take it sleazy!
When I cried:
I panicked because I was worried I wouldn't remember Jason's haircut. I'm allowed to get my hair cut like his at the end of corona.
So I have a theory myself: the door disintegrates you into universal magic dust, right? We then see a speck of Eleanor's dust land on a person and make him do something nice that he almost didn't do. As Chidi said, the wave returns to the ocean and the ocean does what it does with it.
TL;DR: the new system is slowly making humanity better by recycling the old goodness when people go through the door.
Also more theories please! :D
I though that was a pretty straight foward message, tho i saw it as it’s less so “making them better”, and more so “becoming that little voice” that speaks to you(whether you heed it or not)
That voice that helped Eleanor become who she becomes, only to then be part of that voice herself.
Really touching 😌.
I see it more as a, when a good person goes through the door it makes one random person do a good thing on earth.
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See but that would mean they have no will of their action to do good, they don’t choose to be good in that scenario, which is the important part of being good.
It’s ok if thats how you saw it, but given the way the show has driven home the theme and discussion on “what it means to he good/moral”, ending the show on that note just seems counterintuitive to me.
But- if thats how you saw it, and it works for you, then that’s perfectly good.
@@jeom3808 Exactly!
I like the idea that when people disintegrate they become the little voice trying to make people be better. It’s a recurring theme through the show and it makes a lot of sense that since the people passing on from the good place are the best versions of themselves, they know how to be ethical and can help people do that.
00:42 that joke don´t make sense in some countries , because it´s a Netflix Original (like they put has one, even Netflix just have the rights of distribution but whatever) in some places
Where is the other video you said you had an idea for???? I’m on the edge of my seat.