Warhammer 40k Lore - Imperial Navy, Emperor, Invinicible, Oberon Battleships
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In this video I talk about three other imperial battleship classes, the Emperor, Invincible and Oberon. Enjoy!!!
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Kisher: *creates battleship meant to bitchslap escorts and light cruisers into oblivion by pursuing them*
Imperial Navy Admirals: hMmM, yEs, a lINe sHiP
lol
British Navy Admirals, 1916.
literally happened in real life. but the real one's name was fisher.
Love the Oberon class as its multiple role , frankly if you want a flagship it works so well and its about the only one as a rogue trader that would work due to the versatility it has
I love the Oberon, next to a Retribution or Apocolyps it just lack survivability for line work, my one got chewed up during the 3rd War for Armageddon by Ork Kruzers and limped off with 1 hull point, keeping it behind the line line an Emerpor means u can't take full advantage of it's flexibility, I think an Oberon with a Retribution style armoured hull and Torps would be a lot more successful... a battleship which could line break and deliver bombers point blank with no chance for intercept, very nice
I actually like the Invincible class. The main problem wasn't with the design it was that some tacticians didn't bother studying its strengths and weaknesses and used it in a way that allowed those weaknesses to be exploited easily. Use it as a flagship of a high speed force for hit and run tactics on the flanks of enemy lines and it does well. Or as the flagship of a patrolling all fast ship squadron for hunting raiders as it was originally intended.
I would say the main problem of the Invincible was that it wasn't invincible :D
The Emperor class is my favorite. I always thought massive amounts of fighters/bombers will find a way to win engagements.
Closer to modern warfare than just plain battleships.
The Emperor class battle ship suffers the same designs flaws as pre-dreadnought battleships, the "do everything ship" as well as the cathedral design limits the firing arcs of its weapons. As well as taking up space for more weapons. It is also completely blind behind it do to the cathedral blocking the firing arc.
I think this is offset by a lot because it is a capable carrier. Besides, the primary batteries are decidedly unsuited to being fitted to turrets or any flexible mount anyway, so they will have to turn to fire regardless
I went to name my fleet ships based on several historical warships, as well as the models that you can buy
Retribution Class Battleship - KMS Bismarck
Apocalypse Class Battleship - USS New Jersey (BB-62)
Mars Class Battlecruiser - HMS Hood
Lunar Cruiser - USS Cleveland (CL-55)
Emperor class battleships - USS Enterprise (CVN-65)
Battle Barge - USS Midway (CVB/CVA/CV-41)
Strike Cruiser
- KMS Prinz Eugen
Grey Knights Strike Cruiser - HMS Belfast
Hunter-class destroyer - USS Laffey (DD-724)
Give me a stripped down Invincible with as many lance batteries as the core can take. Torpedoes, spurs and monuments can go to another ship. I want it 'quick' with long range accurate fire. Ideally you are running it with a fleet of sensor focused escorts in a wide pattern or run it with a sensor array on the prow and have heavier gunned ships running a tight escort.
Oberon makes a good "I don't know what I need" Venerable Battle Barge.
Agree with you 100% Oberon class definitely 👍
Rougue trader point of view. So there is a ship, that was BUILD to best 95% of most active warships in the universe up to the battlecruiser classes (other rouge traders, xenos, hell eldars even) and outrun the rest, wich "failed" the navy by not being the tool, the admirals anticipated it is. It was stretched to the point, the admirals used it as a tank, instead of a quick mobile artilery and during such engagements it came out its achiles heel - it is possible to be blown up quite quickly (in comparison with other imperial battleship) when targetting its power conduits. The ship supposedly had problems with energy distribution and is considered such a fail by the navy, that might be bought for one throne just to free the shipyard berth, or (presumably) for price of scrap. Is big enough to undergo a crussade on its own, running on the supplies it broght within and hande some cargo too. Its firepower would be a thing of envy by all other rouge traders (who usually had to be glad to get their hands on simple light cruiser). The negative reputation of the class may be on the other hand handy, when someone wants to get you a dirty suprise. The only thing to keep the ship running flawlessly would be an upgrade (probably some design change). wich (considered a technoheresy, or made with alien tech help) may be done (legaly only) by rouge trader. There you go. Perfect rouge trader ship. In need of some upgrade, but many rouge traders do not hesitate to "heretech" upgrade or add some xeno tech to their vessel. And it does not need to stay only there at all. The weapons could be little bit "upgraded" too, dont they. Maybe even to the point, one gundeck to be replaced by fighterbay, to hunt tose few ships qicker then themselves. For the similar reason (practicality, power and less purchasing cost than the others after its shifting out of the active duty), the Oberon might be good for rouge trader too. For obvious reasons, the Emperor not so much, safe it is a flagship of a full fleet capable of defending it.
I don't think Rogue Traders have to face what the segmentum fleet has to face on a regular basis.
True and false both i think.
True:
- There are very little objectives (planets, dockyards) that the rouge trader would risk (and possibly loose) his/her ship for.
- When the enemy is too strong, any and all normal thinking rouge trader should and will escape.
- The RT usually do not engage in great fleet battles at all - especially when not payd for it.
False:
- Segmentae fleets are by deffinition deffensive flotillas, not venturing on purpose (not counting some short lived counterofensives) behind the imperium borders, let alone behind the light of the astronomican, or on the xenos controlled teritory.
- Any and all "defensive" or "prototype" weapon systems the xenos have, the rouge traders are more probably to face, than the segmentum fleet.
- Segmentum fleet fights in reach of their bases, repair facilities and supply lines. When facing bigger threat, there is still possibility to call for help, rally the fleet and let the "big boys" do the heavy poundering, if the target is too resilient. Fleet works as a team - what one type of ship can not doo, the other can - they supplement each others shortcomings and boosts each others strenghts. VERY LITTLE RT "fleets" does have this capability in terms of void combat.
- Segmentum fleets consist mostly (and to fight goes almost only) navy vessels, build and ment for combat. RT fleet usually consists of mixed, mainly civilian, or repurposed civilian vessels, and some escorts for them. If the fleet consist of only ONE ship, it tends to be as badass navy vessel as the rouge trader was able to geth his/her hands on.
- There may be planet (or a cluster at some point), wich the RT WOULD defend to the last ship and the last breth. If the planets are his/hers, and are technologicaly advanced enough to produce a ships and taxes in the future, it may be enough for the RT to face the same threts, the segmentum fleet does. Maybe bigger, because in one ship, or smaller fleet.
Sure, the RT do not face the same type of opposition as segmentum fleet, but it does not mean the opposition is (especially behind the borders) less strong, and RT has MUCH less strenght (than segmentum fleet) to respond in force to that kind of strenght. But the Invincible class is apex predator of enemy escorts, raiders ships, corsairs, and other RTs. It can catch them (unlike other battleship hulls) and it can quite easily outgun them from afar, cripple them, board them and add them to its evergrowing fleet. If used right, in "hit and run" tactics, this ship could have much better use, than all other (comparably armed) battleship types. Because of its size and engine strenght, the Invincible could probably tow its prey (up to cruiser size), or accomodate a single detachable berth underneth, like the ethernal crusader does. We are speaking about possibility of building new ships behind "enemy line", or repairing and upgrading RTs own. Even setting a clandestine base there, to extend the supplycache lifeline (similary to the way, the logistics was done by old polar expeditions).
Your arguments are overwhelming and make sense :)
Oberon could of worked as a design, but it really would need the armoured prowl, the sensor array just doesn't cut it for the line/independent role it fulfils, had one get chewed to ribbons during the 3rd War for Armageddon campaign simply because head on it couldn t take the fire as well as the fire as well as the cruisers around it, also without the torpedoes the prowl would bring lacks a certain amount of foward firepower
I wonder if Admiral Kisher's first name was "Jack" or maybe even "Jackie" by any chance. :A
TY again for another great video
My pleasure.
Oberon because of versatility.
The Invincible- class shares it design and history with the british battleships of ww1. the battle where they lost 3 of them in short order a lot like the battle of jutland. it is like reading like ww1 acounts about the battle of jutland.
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The Emperor thanks you for your service!
The Battlefleet Gothic Rulebook calls the Invincible class the Retribution class. It's the same image and the stats match your description so I dont know what thats all about
The invisible seems like A Royal Navy Battle Cruisers not capable of standing in the mane battle line but capable in ship on ship action
Big ships. Nyeeesss!!
That's a hammer
Hello TH-cam algorithm. The EMPEROR! The ship. I meant the ship, I am not sure I was clear on that.
The Emperor Protects!
@@GrimDarkNarrator Yes
He does
If you were a rogue trader what ship would you like.
Probably a cruiser. Battleships are too ponderous and inflexible if you have to fight multiple faster enemies.
For the algorithm...
Dont you think it would ahve made sense to talk about the Nemesis Class BatteCarrier in this Video, as you are already talking about the Emperor Class, its "Base" Class.
jeova0sanctus0unus probably doing a separate video to be able cover it better
is there that much lore about it? all the lore i found was. "Well its an Emperor whose Cannons are destroyed" and "It has a shit ton of Squadrons" and "its best used as part if a Grand Battlefleet as it does not have many Cannons"
I would think that the carriers would all be included in a "carrier class" video & maybe transports would be included to make the video full length as I havnt founnd much lore on either though they are very essential ships in any imperial fleet
I will hopefully include it in a video with all the other unmentioned battleships. Indeed, there is very little lore on it, though.