Love the miniseries that you do, sad that you don't do more, do you have any intent on doing more of these. I just got into battle fleet heresy and a little bit of battlefleet Gothic, would love for you to do one of these for each of the factions.
Late to the party but a very nice review of the ships available. I must say that the Slaughter has long been a favorite of mine. The speed it has can surprise many and at 30 cm it has the same battery broadside as a Carnage PLUS two lances! These ships are animals. I tend to hold them back then jam then in between enemy vessels once the engagement has started so they are throwing 14 to one side 8 to the other and 2 lances to each. All that for 165 points!!! Carnage is a great ship and I agree about what @syncmonism said about Eldar. When BFG came out we ran a protracted tournament at my local shop. My Chaos fleet won and nothing punished the Eldar like the Carnage. The range of the its battery fire is insane and all it takes is a hit or two before the pain begins for the Eldar given how easily they take crits. On the other side I also had Imperial and Eldar fleets. I always put a high priority on eliminating Carnage class cruisers.
A great video, and it's always enjoyable to see Battlefleet Gothic content! A point here though is that you are using the ship profiles from BFG:XR rather than from the original release, which does make a few rather sizeable changes to a few vessels such as the Devastation - the original had 60cm lances, rather than 45. This isn't a bad thing by any means, I think XR is a more balanced game overall - but it should be something to mention. I look forward to seeing more BFG!
As far as we know the Iron Warriors didn't have viewports, but later on Perturabo had some installed on the Iron Blood. The rest of the legion may have changed as well after the Heresy, but more out of prudence. In the original Battlefleet Gothic Armada (started before Eldar, Tau and SM were added) the Slaughter class were my go to cruiser. I had them setup to be hit and run nightmares. Had the upgrades for speed and being able to engine boost and remain undetectable, extended silent running, no damage from asteriod fields, and several others. Slapped a MoK on them for good measure. Those turbo weapon arrays were great for nibbling shields and then stacking crits because of their rate of fire. I loved ramming Eldar with them. Soooo satisfying.
*Edit* answered my question by reading down to Mike Rudder's comment. Will have to go looking for the BFG:XR fan re-balance. Interested in getting back into BFG, and appreciating you doing some material on it!
If you take a large number of Carnage class cruisers, you will kind-of break the game against Eldar. Eldar (Corsair and Craftworld) are the least well balanced fleets in the game, because some ships are just nearly useless against them, while a small number of ships like the Carnage are actually too good against them in high enough numbers. The Carnage is, of course, still a generally solid ship, with the only ships it really struggles against being ships with armour 6 on the sides, which are fairly rare. Obviously armour 6 on the front is still extremely useful against them, but because you will likely get so many dice against ships when they're closing, weapons batteries are still far from useless against the prow of ships with armour 6, though obviously still worse than lances. Armour 6 only becomes a really big problem if it's on the sides and rears of enemy ships, because that's when the amount of dice (and hits) the Carnage will be able to get will become very, very weak.
Despoiler profile is all wrong. The BFG rulebook had 4 launch bays on each of the sides alongside str. 6 gun batteries with 60 cm range. Additional a front/sides str. 3 lance with 60 cm range and a frontal one with str. 4 and 30 cm range which could be upgraded to str. 8 torpedoes for 10 points.
I second Tempest Shipyards, also Grimdark Bits isn't bad, as well as Wargames 3D print. I stumbled across Pastichet Shipyards but every time I ordered a mini it would have a fault in production and they refused to make it unless the file owner fixed it, which they never did.
No. A lot of the Chaos ships are post Heresy. Generally speaking, the Chaos ships are just ships no longer used as of M41, with some appearing as late as M39
We don't know about all the ships, but here's what we have in terms of timeline: DEFINITELY NOT HERESY: Despoiler Class Battleship - confirmed developed Mid 36 (sorry, Macca! Better not see those in your 30K vid!) Infidel Raider - Designed in M40. MIGHT NOT BE HERESY: Acheron Class - only one of them ever built officially, so err on the side of not using them. Idolator Class - the lore seems to be hinting this was designed by the Dark Mechanicum post-Heresy, as the Imperium have no idea where the design came from. Carnage Class - It's lore implies the first time this class was ever used, it sided with traitors attacking Imperial supply lines. Highly unlikely to be Pre-Heresy. Devastation Class - these ships were still being used by the Imperium in M37. The only ship designs we know for certain have been around that long are Battleships, which are much harder to replace than Cruisers. Hades Class - This ship class was in active, front line service in M39 / M40 within Battlefleet Gothic. SAFE BETS: Any Grand Cruiser, as this ship design is considered old-fashioned. Styx Class - They were used in M32-M33, so the design is likely older than that. Murder Class - the Imperium built 500 between M33 and M37. Between its early date mention and it being so popular, it's safe to assume that if the Murder wasn't around at the Heresy, something like it was. Iconoclast - Iconoclasts, or ships like them, are produced by practically ever shipyard. Again, you can assume the Iconoclast represents any number of functionally interchangeable vessels. CONFIRMED: Desolator Battleship - It's design comes from "the founding of the Imperium." Absolutely fine to have this in a Pre-Heresy fleet.
I have a sort of rule of thumb with it, that basically all ships are fine as there was probably something analogous to them at the time. I will explain the reasoning more in another video.
Awesome, I've always wanted to get into Battlefleet Gothic
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Love the miniseries that you do, sad that you don't do more, do you have any intent on doing more of these. I just got into battle fleet heresy and a little bit of battlefleet Gothic, would love for you to do one of these for each of the factions.
Awesome video, I was always super confused about the different ships in BFG due to them looking so similar to each other.
Late to the party but a very nice review of the ships available. I must say that the Slaughter has long been a favorite of mine. The speed it has can surprise many and at 30 cm it has the same battery broadside as a Carnage PLUS two lances! These ships are animals. I tend to hold them back then jam then in between enemy vessels once the engagement has started so they are throwing 14 to one side 8 to the other and 2 lances to each. All that for 165 points!!!
Carnage is a great ship and I agree about what @syncmonism said about Eldar. When BFG came out we ran a protracted tournament at my local shop. My Chaos fleet won and nothing punished the Eldar like the Carnage. The range of the its battery fire is insane and all it takes is a hit or two before the pain begins for the Eldar given how easily they take crits.
On the other side I also had Imperial and Eldar fleets. I always put a high priority on eliminating Carnage class cruisers.
A great video, and it's always enjoyable to see Battlefleet Gothic content! A point here though is that you are using the ship profiles from BFG:XR rather than from the original release, which does make a few rather sizeable changes to a few vessels such as the Devastation - the original had 60cm lances, rather than 45. This isn't a bad thing by any means, I think XR is a more balanced game overall - but it should be something to mention.
I look forward to seeing more BFG!
As far as we know the Iron Warriors didn't have viewports, but later on Perturabo had some installed on the Iron Blood. The rest of the legion may have changed as well after the Heresy, but more out of prudence.
In the original Battlefleet Gothic Armada (started before Eldar, Tau and SM were added) the Slaughter class were my go to cruiser. I had them setup to be hit and run nightmares. Had the upgrades for speed and being able to engine boost and remain undetectable, extended silent running, no damage from asteriod fields, and several others. Slapped a MoK on them for good measure. Those turbo weapon arrays were great for nibbling shields and then stacking crits because of their rate of fire. I loved ramming Eldar with them. Soooo satisfying.
I got adds for “new40k” like 3 times during your video. I did find the video itself good tho
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*Edit* answered my question by reading down to Mike Rudder's comment. Will have to go looking for the BFG:XR fan re-balance. Interested in getting back into BFG, and appreciating you doing some material on it!
Great overview, thank you!
This was a really good video! Would you consider doing one for the Ork Fleet?
If you take a large number of Carnage class cruisers, you will kind-of break the game against Eldar. Eldar (Corsair and Craftworld) are the least well balanced fleets in the game, because some ships are just nearly useless against them, while a small number of ships like the Carnage are actually too good against them in high enough numbers.
The Carnage is, of course, still a generally solid ship, with the only ships it really struggles against being ships with armour 6 on the sides, which are fairly rare. Obviously armour 6 on the front is still extremely useful against them, but because you will likely get so many dice against ships when they're closing, weapons batteries are still far from useless against the prow of ships with armour 6, though obviously still worse than lances. Armour 6 only becomes a really big problem if it's on the sides and rears of enemy ships, because that's when the amount of dice (and hits) the Carnage will be able to get will become very, very weak.
Do we know what the original designation of these ships were during the Great Crusade?
Hmmm I think some but very few can't recall really, wiki or lexicanum worth checking
Honestly it's really iffy, I explain it in my next video which will go up around an hour after I make this comment.
The Outer Circle thanks
Despoiler profile is all wrong. The BFG rulebook had 4 launch bays on each of the sides alongside str. 6 gun batteries with 60 cm range. Additional a front/sides str. 3 lance with 60 cm range and a frontal one with str. 4 and 30 cm range which could be upgraded to str. 8 torpedoes for 10 points.
The ship you describe is the Warmaster Class and is found in the Additional Ships Compendium, 360 points.
Is BFG Armarda 2 worth getting?
YES, very good game!
multiplayer is semi-dead, but you can find some matches on the official discord.
Yes, but honestly it needs its own video and YES you will get it this week.
Nice review Macca. Anyone on shapeways (or other sites) you recommend for models?
tempest shipyards on shapeways looks really good, haven't got anything from them yet though
I second Tempest Shipyards, also Grimdark Bits isn't bad, as well as Wargames 3D print. I stumbled across Pastichet Shipyards but every time I ordered a mini it would have a fault in production and they refused to make it unless the file owner fixed it, which they never did.
Hell yeah
You think that GW will be watching this for ideas??
Hahahahaha.
No. They hate me. There are channels one fifth of our size that get review copies of things, and we do not.
Hey macca are the chaos ships what the imperium used in 30k? Except without the chaosy bits
No. A lot of the Chaos ships are post Heresy. Generally speaking, the Chaos ships are just ships no longer used as of M41, with some appearing as late as M39
We don't know about all the ships, but here's what we have in terms of timeline:
DEFINITELY NOT HERESY:
Despoiler Class Battleship - confirmed developed Mid 36 (sorry, Macca! Better not see those in your 30K vid!)
Infidel Raider - Designed in M40.
MIGHT NOT BE HERESY:
Acheron Class - only one of them ever built officially, so err on the side of not using them.
Idolator Class - the lore seems to be hinting this was designed by the Dark Mechanicum post-Heresy, as the Imperium have no idea where the design came from.
Carnage Class - It's lore implies the first time this class was ever used, it sided with traitors attacking Imperial supply lines. Highly unlikely to be Pre-Heresy.
Devastation Class - these ships were still being used by the Imperium in M37. The only ship designs we know for certain have been around that long are Battleships, which are much harder to replace than Cruisers.
Hades Class - This ship class was in active, front line service in M39 / M40 within Battlefleet Gothic.
SAFE BETS:
Any Grand Cruiser, as this ship design is considered old-fashioned.
Styx Class - They were used in M32-M33, so the design is likely older than that.
Murder Class - the Imperium built 500 between M33 and M37. Between its early date mention and it being so popular, it's safe to assume that if the Murder wasn't around at the Heresy, something like it was.
Iconoclast - Iconoclasts, or ships like them, are produced by practically ever shipyard. Again, you can assume the Iconoclast represents any number of functionally interchangeable vessels.
CONFIRMED:
Desolator Battleship - It's design comes from "the founding of the Imperium." Absolutely fine to have this in a Pre-Heresy fleet.
You can find all the rules for playing BattleFleet Heresy on Rememberance Retreat. They have made a 30k fleet list for all chapters.
I have a sort of rule of thumb with it, that basically all ships are fine as there was probably something analogous to them at the time. I will explain the reasoning more in another video.