When I have any inkling that my ex Isn’t a Covert Narcissist I listen to Sam and it destroys my cognitive dissonance. I also go back and re read the last text from my ex that says ‘I am happier not having to deal with your emotions and issues any longer-we are not compatible.’ I was discarded 48 hours after he met his new supply after telling me I was his rock, best friend and life partner. Two years of my life and tossed away like trash. I’m 6 months out-and have some days where my mind plays tricks on me but Sam always sets me straight. 😅
You haven’t given any indication that your ex was a narcissist - from your comment here it only looks like he changed his mind, found someone else, and you were dumped. This is normal behaviour whether you like it or not.
It makes you feel so disoriented. As if he had a switch and he flipped it. The most cold hearted, dismissive behavior that he became unrecognizable to me. I remember thinking who is this as if someone took over his body. Dr. Vaknin you perfectly described his treatment towards me. Not because of anything I did or did not do but because he found new supply. 19 years I had his back yet none it mattered to him. No contact for 4 years. His loss!
I feel this, I'm very grateful for all the lessons learned from Sam but sadly it has opened my eyes to a world that is much worse than I initially thought and taught me to give up on my parents. Both good things to know objectively but far harder to manage in real life.
Absolute fact. One minute you're the besty, next minute you're gone in exactly that moment they've gotten their benefit from you. Mission completed. It can happen that they tell you the truth afterwards If you ask for their change at 180 degree. I Had been told "Well, I don't need you for the time being."
Yes. It was shockingly abrupt and extremely painful to me. He went from charming to completely dismissive - looks right through me when he sees me, and refuses to even acknowledge me - a woman he's known 10 + years. It's pretty disgusting.
I just googled sociopathy and read all of the traits. It’s totally enlightening and helpful to end the emotional turmoil of being discarded like trash. These people are subhuman.
When my husband left he looked through me like I wasn’t even there. This his hands down the most clear video at explaining how my husband and partner of 19 years has discarded me when I stood up to him about his emotional abuse. Thank you.
This is so interesting! As soon as I forced the maintenance fee up, he told me he didn’t have the motivation to put the energy in our relationship anymore and I was only wasting his precious time. Haha Before this, he already dropped some things about how he thought about certain things in life: He told me he doesn’t know what love is (I understand, if it’s only transactional you don’t have a clue of course) He told me everything in life is a game of winning or losing to him (like a business man trying to make a deal). He told me multiple times he wanted to marry within 6 months, otherwise I would be wasting his time. He wasn’t interested at all in visiting and meeting my family. All signs of a transactional way of thinking, it’s very interesting when you question them about their beliefs and values in life. My experience is that they give really weird and awkward, practical and transactional answers. Lots of love and strength those who are being dropped recently ❤️
My narcissist who was married for 14 years and with an endless list of ex-girlfriends told me he doesn't think he has ever been truly in love. And he was telling me he loved me at the same time!
Nothing would make me happier then being erased. After two years of maintaining gray rock and trying to stay 2 steps ahead of him, it would give me peace of mind if he has lost interest in me.🙏
Exactly what I needed to hear today. My narcissist best friend devalued and discarded me overnight because he arbitrarily decided to move across the country. I'm not useful to him there. If I simply express that I'll miss him, I'm "being selfish" or "holding him back". Really painful experience.
spot on - and in most cases, if you look back there were little signs in past behaviour. He is right that the pattern is easy to spot. Problem is this -- often we are not looking....or don't want to see it.
👍🏻 My mother and I are in the process of ending our relationship because her behavior is not tolerable anymore. She certainly has psychopathic traits (my therapist used the phrase "the most extremely pronounced structures she has ever witnessed"). But if there is no real emotional bond, there won't be a lot of sad or angry feelings ...
Yes, be swift and safe and silent, - don’t bother with reason or explanation, certainly wish I hadn’t. Wishing you good luck and happy heart and soul .
I was just dating a man who pursued me for months only to drop me like a hot potato for his "female friend" who is an ultra skinny, unattractive vegan alcoholic chainsmoker. He'd give up our history and all we had built for THAT. Literally overnight, erased me. Tossed my things and blocked me. I never considered him a narcissist. He told me their friendship was non-negotiable. I merely mentioned setting boundaries to their late night texting and not having them spend one on one time together as often It really fukks someone up to be dropped hard like that! I couldn't eat or sleep for 3 days.
I had a similar experience. As soon as I set a singular boundary, I was instantly erased from their life. This has happened more than once. It's pretty mad behavior.
@pupper5580 Now I just need advice for moving forward. How do I possibly trust again when this man gave me zero red flags and earned my trust over 5 months before we even dated? It's sickening
People like him are emotionally & ethically built like 2nd graders with shiny new object syndrome. Not everyone is like that--but...it takes more than a few months to properly vet them.
Same. Set a boundary and was told to never come back to his place again. Dropped HOT after 3 years. Didn’t eat for 8 days after that. Now it’s been 6 months no contact. Last night I cried “missing” him. Healing isn’t linear. And you will get through this. 💜
Thank you, this explains a lot. My ex doesn't even keep contact with his 2 sons, even when they were babies, they are grown now, Thank goodness they turned out OK. I t was just me alone raising our boys. He gave me no financial help as they were growing, he had a high paying job. It was very painful at the time. How could anyone treat their own flesh and blood that way. This makes it clear. He married a couple more times, but that failed to. Now he is in the Philippians, and still trying to find what he wants. Good luck, so sad.
Extremely useful insight on this instant switching when people in narcissists life are of no use anymore. I've always wondered why and how i would always "lose" best friends and groups of people and not have any regret or even memory of being happy together. I'm not sure what benefit i was willing to get from them other than just fun time together but at some point I'd always switch and cut them off my life as if we've never met each other. (Although from some people I wanted to get financial or career benefits but at some point I was able to recognise that urge and I acted mostly "psychopatically" in those cases with total fakeness).
God I’ve actually had some of these conversations with a person I know! ‘I care for you….because you’re useful to me!’ This one hit the nail right on its head. I’m curious to know, though…this sort of narcissistic behaviour seems a lot more rampant of late, relationships are so transactional, is there a general global trend towards narcissistic behaviour that you’ve observed in your work? Would love to know. Thank you.
The narc sought services of an escort instead. Much easier to just pay for the deed. No work involved. Easy transaction. No emotional connection. The minute I questioned and critized his indifference towards me and then finding out about the escorts it was all over. He walked away saying I don't want to be told how to live my life anymore. 33 years of marriage.
Why did he pursue me for three years? Call me his “dream girl”? His “swan”? Ask me 100 times to “come and see his country side house” I’m still confused, almost 4 months after final discard.
Haha. Sam I am 56 years old female but I wish I had had you as a Father figure to explain this cold behavior to me when I was in my teens and early 20s..HUGS
Relatiojship with them is a transection based. My ex said... I pay for you I don't want to discuss. It's not a deal for me. Stop being a drama queen. If I pay, I want to be a boss, you do what I say. Get over it. I don't care how you feel. I don't want to talk about emotions it's unfair. 😮😮😮 I was shocked. We were planning to have a baby in that time thanks god I figured him out.
The dialog metod between honest narcissist and other person used by you Professor in this video give a different angle and is a nice art form. Should use it further on :)
Dear Sam Vaknin-thank you for this amazing information.I have been questioning some aspects of an involvement with a guy and you have awakened me to his “meanness” .Now realise it is because the return on the investment is being equated what an eye opener.G
Do you think since the narcissist/psychopath is able to go from absolutely desiring someone one minute and wanting something serious with them, to acting as if they don't exist the next second granted that something comes in the way of the narcissist/psychopath for him/her to not get what they want, is a key factor as to why most victims of narcissistic/psychopathic abuse are never believed? Or why when victims speak out, regular healthy people would say something along the lines of "he/she just never liked you", even though the narcissist/psychopath pretty much did at a point in time... Do you think being disbelieved also adds to the victim developing even deeper trust issues, since as you mentioned they begin to doubt their sense of judgement after this "behavioural gaslighting"? Also is this some form of reaction formation? I'd like to know.
Is it a good idea to watch your videos when we think about the narcissist ex? That gives me kind of confirmation which is comforting, but not sure how it will help in the long term in journey of healing
Why, then Dr. V do they get married? My ex was married 2 times. 1st wife left with 3 kids. 14 years later he remarried. He left that one. But is now begging her back. Why have a hard time letting go of the wife. So not to pay her? Why are they at church every Sunday and can sleep with three women in the same week including their estranged wife.
My narc seperated was asking me to live single till our kids grow and end marriage and keep it hidden till kids grow from everyone while get treated horrible and was offfering me sex when i refused he became enemy indifferent left and seperated now trying to ask me to be his gf while our only offical divorce paper is due...stay with me as gf than wife and raise kids.later kids will takecare of you.i hve my kids from him with me. I refused ...now hes so angry and threating me to take kids custody and offer no child support. Hes asking me to move to canda frm country im in...now.hes afraid i msy comppaint and raise case at him. Why he cant be married and why hes forcing me i told him what he wanted go live seperate free be happy dnt drag me. Still hes forcing me to leave country. When you dnt offer sex access control of narc ex husband he will threat and blackmail you .he says he wana do business mean live with me for public image his family reputation n kids mothering setvices...while he told me he doesnt love me says its@only for kids plz accept it. I refused .😢😢
I am still wondering why he is begging his ex wife back. What she offered him other than sex. She was a drug addict during the marriage. He left for 7 years finally divorced then the very second minute the divorce was final -> he asked her to remarry. Maybe b/c he did not want to give her 350 grand. Or he says he just wants or likes her body no one else’s. I just can’t figure why he would want her - begging this also narc exwife
I swear they like to come back from time to time, much like a serial killer revisits the scene of the crime .
When I have any inkling that my ex Isn’t a Covert Narcissist I listen to Sam and it destroys my cognitive dissonance. I also go back and re read the last text from my ex that says ‘I am happier not having to deal with your emotions and issues any longer-we are not compatible.’
I was discarded 48 hours after he met his new supply after telling me I was his rock, best friend and life partner. Two years of my life and tossed away like trash.
I’m 6 months out-and have some days where my mind plays tricks on me but Sam always sets me straight. 😅
You haven’t given any indication that your ex was a narcissist - from your comment here it only looks like he changed his mind, found someone else, and you were dumped. This is normal behaviour whether you like it or not.
@@audreyandrea460she doesn’t owe you or anyone else an “indication” for anything. Why be a dick?
It makes you feel so disoriented. As if he had a switch and he flipped it. The most cold hearted, dismissive behavior that he became unrecognizable to me. I remember thinking who is this as if someone took over his body.
Dr. Vaknin you perfectly described his treatment towards me. Not because of anything I did or did not do but because he found new supply. 19 years I had his back yet none it mattered to him. No contact for 4 years. His loss!
I had to take a Vaknin break: the truth lessons are a lot to handle! Happy to return to this video reiterating reality as it truly is.
I feel this, I'm very grateful for all the lessons learned from Sam but sadly it has opened my eyes to a world that is much worse than I initially thought and taught me to give up on my parents. Both good things to know objectively but far harder to manage in real life.
i feel u on this .. the truth is so hard too digest
We’re all props in their tragicomedy 😂
Crazy people. Crazy men, i know
Just a Pawn in their game!
Well put!
Absolute fact. One minute you're the besty, next minute you're gone in exactly that moment they've gotten their benefit from you. Mission completed. It can happen that they tell you the truth afterwards If you ask for their change at 180 degree. I Had been told "Well, I don't need you for the time being."
Yes. It was shockingly abrupt and extremely painful to me. He went from charming to completely dismissive - looks right through me when he sees me, and refuses to even acknowledge me - a woman he's known 10 + years. It's pretty disgusting.
I just googled sociopathy and read all of the traits. It’s totally enlightening and helpful to end the emotional turmoil of being discarded like trash. These people are subhuman.
When my husband left he looked through me like I wasn’t even there. This his hands down the most clear video at explaining how my husband and partner of 19 years has discarded me when I stood up to him about his emotional abuse. Thank you.
This is so interesting!
As soon as I forced the maintenance fee up, he told me he didn’t have the motivation to put the energy in our relationship anymore and I was only wasting his precious time. Haha
Before this, he already dropped some things about how he thought about certain things in life:
He told me he doesn’t know what love is (I understand, if it’s only transactional you don’t have a clue of course)
He told me everything in life is a game of winning or losing to him (like a business man trying to make a deal).
He told me multiple times he wanted to marry within 6 months, otherwise I would be wasting his time.
He wasn’t interested at all in visiting and meeting my family.
All signs of a transactional way of thinking, it’s very interesting when you question them about their beliefs and values in life. My experience is that they give really weird and awkward, practical and transactional answers.
Lots of love and strength those who are being dropped recently ❤️
My narcissist who was married for 14 years and with an endless list of ex-girlfriends told me he doesn't think he has ever been truly in love. And he was telling me he loved me at the same time!
Nothing would make me happier then being erased. After two years of maintaining gray rock and trying to stay 2 steps ahead of him, it would give me peace of mind if he has lost interest in me.🙏
Exactly what I needed to hear today. My narcissist best friend devalued and discarded me overnight because he arbitrarily decided to move across the country. I'm not useful to him there. If I simply express that I'll miss him, I'm "being selfish" or "holding him back". Really painful experience.
everything I learned about Narcissism I learned from Sam Vaknin.Its so eye opening.He is 1000% right with everything
In other words, to a narcissist or psychopath a person has zero intrinsic value.
spot on - and in most cases, if you look back there were little signs in past behaviour. He is right that the pattern is easy to spot. Problem is this -- often we are not looking....or don't want to see it.
👍🏻 My mother and I are in the process of ending our relationship because her behavior is not tolerable anymore. She certainly has psychopathic traits (my therapist used the phrase "the most extremely pronounced structures she has ever witnessed"). But if there is no real emotional bond, there won't be a lot of sad or angry feelings ...
Agreed, you never tell the Narc’s your plans/intent
Nobody understands unless they've been through it. I've gone no contact for many years to save my soul
I had the same with my father.. big relief to have no contact anymore
Yes, be swift and safe and silent, - don’t bother with reason or explanation, certainly wish I hadn’t. Wishing you good luck and happy heart and soul .
Yes, you are the biggest victim of the world. Victim Nr 1.
I was just dating a man who pursued me for months only to drop me like a hot potato for his "female friend" who is an ultra skinny, unattractive vegan alcoholic chainsmoker. He'd give up our history and all we had built for THAT. Literally overnight, erased me. Tossed my things and blocked me. I never considered him a narcissist. He told me their friendship was non-negotiable. I merely mentioned setting boundaries to their late night texting and not having them spend one on one time together as often
It really fukks someone up to be dropped hard like that! I couldn't eat or sleep for 3 days.
Hugs.
I had a similar experience. As soon as I set a singular boundary, I was instantly erased from their life. This has happened more than once. It's pretty mad behavior.
@pupper5580 Now I just need advice for moving forward. How do I possibly trust again when this man gave me zero red flags and earned my trust over 5 months before we even dated? It's sickening
People like him are emotionally & ethically built like 2nd graders with shiny new object syndrome.
Not everyone is like that--but...it takes more than a few months to properly vet them.
Same. Set a boundary and was told to never come back to his place again. Dropped HOT after 3 years. Didn’t eat for 8 days after that. Now it’s been 6 months no contact. Last night I cried “missing” him. Healing isn’t linear. And you will get through this. 💜
Incredible show. This helped me a lot. Thank you
Lord have mercy I needed to hear this
Sadly everything you said is so true 😢
Thank you, this explains a lot. My ex doesn't even keep contact with his 2 sons, even when they were babies, they are grown now, Thank goodness they turned out OK. I t was just me alone raising our boys. He gave me no financial help as they were growing, he had a high paying job. It was very painful at the time. How could anyone treat their own flesh and blood that way. This makes it clear. He married a couple more times, but that failed to. Now he is in the Philippians, and still trying to find what he wants. Good luck, so sad.
A narcissist literally said to me "I always repay my debts."
Extremely useful insight on this instant switching when people in narcissists life are of no use anymore. I've always wondered why and how i would always "lose" best friends and groups of people and not have any regret or even memory of being happy together. I'm not sure what benefit i was willing to get from them other than just fun time together but at some point I'd always switch and cut them off my life as if we've never met each other. (Although from some people I wanted to get financial or career benefits but at some point I was able to recognise that urge and I acted mostly "psychopatically" in those cases with total fakeness).
This explains the sudden disgard. But if they are gone, done, why you they hoover? But in my case, the hoovers are just a day of texting.
Search the shared fantasy playlist.
You are spot on 😁
God I’ve actually had some of these conversations with a person I know! ‘I care for you….because you’re useful to me!’ This one hit the nail right on its head.
I’m curious to know, though…this sort of narcissistic behaviour seems a lot more rampant of late, relationships are so transactional, is there a general global trend towards narcissistic behaviour that you’ve observed in your work? Would love to know. Thank you.
The narc sought services of an escort instead. Much easier to just pay for the deed. No work involved. Easy transaction. No emotional connection. The minute I questioned and critized his indifference towards me and then finding out about the escorts it was all over. He walked away saying I don't want to be told how to live my life anymore. 33 years of marriage.
If only narcissists would stick to escorts in the first place instead of pulling us into their sick and twisted lives it would be so much better.
Dr Vaknin the best explain ever .
Thank you!!
You are unique , Mr Sam Vaknin !! Thanks for all!!!❤
God I love your wisdom. Thank you for being
Thank you.
This is so accurate!
God, youre so accurate😳
Eye opening !
This is so spot on! To the t
OMG... the transactional piece... omg...
Thank u, Sam❤
Why did he pursue me for three years?
Call me his “dream girl”? His “swan”?
Ask me 100 times to “come and see his country side house”
I’m still confused, almost 4 months after final discard.
i don't care ❤
@@3jesus3christ3thanks for letting me know 😅
It's their game don't ask WHY🙏☀️ THEY COULDN'T CARE LESS 🌊 JUST LIES THAT u like to ear 😜😂
Haha. Sam I am 56 years old female but I wish I had had you as a Father figure to explain this cold behavior to me when I was in my teens and early 20s..HUGS
Relatiojship with them is a transection based. My ex said... I pay for you I don't want to discuss. It's not a deal for me.
Stop being a drama queen. If I pay, I want to be a boss, you do what I say. Get over it.
I don't care how you feel. I don't want to talk about emotions it's unfair.
😮😮😮 I was shocked.
We were planning to have a baby in that time thanks god I figured him out.
The dialog metod between honest narcissist and other person used by you Professor in this video give a different angle and is a nice art form. Should use it further on :)
Search the channel for additional examples.
I know your channel pretty well :) Just want to emphasize this form as very helpful.
Great video.
Dear Sam Vaknin-thank you for this amazing information.I have been questioning some aspects of an involvement with a guy and you have awakened me to his “meanness” .Now realise it is because the return on the investment is being equated what an eye opener.G
Do you think since the narcissist/psychopath is able to go from absolutely desiring someone one minute and wanting something serious with them, to acting as if they don't exist the next second granted that something comes in the way of the narcissist/psychopath for him/her to not get what they want, is a key factor as to why most victims of narcissistic/psychopathic abuse are never believed? Or why when victims speak out, regular healthy people would say something along the lines of "he/she just never liked you", even though the narcissist/psychopath pretty much did at a point in time... Do you think being disbelieved also adds to the victim developing even deeper trust issues, since as you mentioned they begin to doubt their sense of judgement after this "behavioural gaslighting"? Also is this some form of reaction formation? I'd like to know.
Watch the Narcissistic Abuse Healing playlist.
Thank you very much
U r brave 🎉
PERFECTLY DESCRIBES MY MOTHER
I told me narc housemate to take the bus. Uh oh!
100%
Is it a good idea to watch your videos when we think about the narcissist ex? That gives me kind of confirmation which is comforting, but not sure how it will help in the long term in journey of healing
I like when u laugh 😂it is very funny❤
Why, then Dr. V do they get married? My ex was married 2 times. 1st wife left with 3 kids. 14 years later he remarried. He left that one. But is now begging her back. Why have a hard time letting go of the wife. So not to pay her? Why are they at church every Sunday and can sleep with three women in the same week including their estranged wife.
Search the playlists.
Haha wonderfull video
Any opinions on Daniel Mackler?
I wanna see a collab so bad, it would be like a Nickelodeon and Disney channel crossover
My narc seperated was asking me to live single till our kids grow and end marriage and keep it hidden till kids grow from everyone while get treated horrible and was offfering me sex when i refused he became enemy indifferent left and seperated now trying to ask me to be his gf while our only offical divorce paper is due...stay with me as gf than wife and raise kids.later kids will takecare of you.i hve my kids from him with me.
I refused ...now hes so angry and threating me to take kids custody and offer no child support.
Hes asking me to move to canda frm country im in...now.hes afraid i msy comppaint and raise case at him.
Why he cant be married and why hes forcing me i told him what he wanted go live seperate free be happy dnt drag me.
Still hes forcing me to leave country.
When you dnt offer sex access control of narc ex husband he will threat and blackmail you .he says he wana do business mean live with me for public image his family reputation n kids mothering setvices...while he told me he doesnt love me says its@only for kids plz accept it. I refused .😢😢
Actually covert narcissist are predictable .
Growth orientated. Interesting.
Im studying the subject. AI assumes we have someone in our life like this because we listen to this...dumb ai...just sayin
Such great explanation! Thank you.
Thank you Sam.
I am still wondering why he is begging his ex wife back. What she offered him other than sex. She was a drug addict during the marriage. He left for 7 years finally divorced then the very second minute the divorce was final -> he asked her to remarry. Maybe b/c he did not want to give her 350 grand. Or he says he just wants or likes her body no one else’s. I just can’t figure why he would want her - begging this also narc exwife
It's hilarious that the professor is educating us about the behavior of narcissists and almost every ad is for Trump.
I guess im a psycho. Im also American