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New for 2022 - The Brompton P Line
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Brompton have released the P Line (or Performance Line) bike for the 2022 range
This time it's not just colours or small changes
(It is available in storm grey or midnight black - both are a metallic finish)
It's almost like a new bike - here we run through all the details (unless we missed some!) - even the box is different
We were going to compare to a C Line (Core Line) bike - but there was so much different it seemed like it would be eating into valuable time to spend with this new bike!
There are so many changes we split the video into the following sections:
0:00 | Intro
0:24 | Our top 5 new features
3:42 | Teaser of all changes
4:00 | Run through of features
12:16 | End
12:36 | Outtakes
If we missed anything - please comment in the comments section
Handlebar grips:
Superlight foam 130mm lock-on - 42 g per pair
Handlebars:
They are black … like all of the extremities - it is effectively a Black Edition (of course the black makes it harder to film!)
Available in low (previously S-type) , mid (previously M-type) and high bars (previously H-type)
Gear shifter:
There is just the one shifter - on the left side
Because it’s a derailleur gear you should only change gear when pedaling
Headset:
Superlight - black aluminium
Front carrier block:
It uses the standard Brompton front carrier block - not standard by default on the P Line
Front Forks
These are standard Ti forks - as used on the CHPT3 - painted black
Front mudguard:
New design and new stays
Front Wheel:
All new 20 spoke wheel with thinner rim profile
Bolt through axle
Tyres:
Schwalbe one Black
Also available with the Continental Contact Urban - our current favourite
Hinge clamps:
New (as used on the CHPT3) aluminium - black
New Chain catcher on main frame
Saddle:
Superlight saddle with chromoly rails, carbon reinforced base and lightweight padding. Includes integrated carry handle and light mount.
Pentaclip:
New and now compatible with carbon rails
Carbon long lips
Others short lips
Lower stop disk is now a lower stop device - with integrated cable guide
Seatpost clamp - now aluminium - black
Rear frame clip - now aluminium - black
Suspension block - new - and a new shape
New roller wheels
Rear mudguards are new with new stays and a new roller wheel - for better rolling when folded
Rear wheel:
All new 28 spoke rear wheel, with new rim profile
New hub
Gearing
4 Sprockets
Gearing 11-13-15-18 Tooth this give a 163% range
Chain
10 speed hollow pin chain
New chain tensioner / derailleur (replacing the chain pusher)
Video equipment: (for our ref)
Sony A7C camera
50mm lens
Sony wireless microphone
For me it's like having a b-side kind of Diana Rigg talking about Brompton matters, just love her!
Thank you!
Really pleased to see your comparison and review. Looking forward to your riding the new P.
Many thanks for watching! Yes we can’t wait to ride it either!
Once again, you did a fine job of articulating the features of this new model.
Thank you from California.
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching!
This is one of the best review I’ve see for this Brompton Model. You did a fantastic job. I know the T is coming out soon I can wait for you to review it. Thank you again for a great video .Happy New Year
Thank you so much for your kind comments, and thank you for watching!
Great vlog as always very clearly describing all the changes to the new P Line. The bike looks awesome.
Thank you for your lovely comments, and thank you for watching!
Love my Firehouse red Brompton... Makes me feel awesome every time I ride it then gently place it in the back of my Prius Prime!
That so just make you smile don’t they! Our home ones have their house in the sitting room!
Thank you for watching!
Finally a proper detailed video on the P line! Awesome and thanks for this :)
Many thanks for watching and your nice comment.
This P line is exciting! As usual, you did an excellent job of articulating the differences between this and the C line. I'm doing some updates on my "old" 2012-2013 Brommie ... but I may stop short of where I'd planned to go and start putting money aside for a new P model. Thank you for the always excellent videos! :)
Thank you so much for your kind comments! And thank you for watching!
I like how you clearly were able to describe the differences between the regular brompton and this new p line. Good video.
Many thanks! And thank you for watching!
Thank you for an an excellent review. This bike has some interesting changes and, well, the gray and black are visually appealing IMO.
Many thanks for your lovely comment, and thank you for watching! The colours do look great!
Love the out takes.....😊
Many thanks for watching!
Love your review, so patient, detailed and educational
Thank you and thank you for watching!
Thumbs up - and for Brompton for aggressively attacking a previous weakness! Great! I'm excited!
Many thanks for watching! We are really excited to ride it as well!
Your out-takes are the best….it’s really a lot harder to make a video than most think and you make it look very easy!
Thank you so much! And thank you for watching!
Great job introducing the P line!👍🎉⚡️
Thank you and thank you for watching. We are impressed at all the changes and how light it is!
Love the outtakes!!!!
Thank you so much for watching all the way through!
Excellent video. Thanks!! Brompton continuing it’s endless thoughtful evolutionary saga 🥰
Many thanks for watching. It’s a great evolution!
Such a tease! Waiting for delivery of mine (same spec as the one you reviewed) I learned so much more from your video than from the Brompton website.
I’m hoping with you having one to review that it shouldn’t be long 😄
Many thanks for watching, so glad it was useful. They are lovely, worth the wait!
Great review and comparison! Love the sound check for the hub! Would love to see a T Line review as well.
Thank you for watching and the kind comment
You can be sure that as soon as we can get hold of a T Line we’ll be reviewing it!
Thanks for the sharing. I would like to see how the new locking system works when it folded without the stopper.
Thank you - very clear and comprehensive. You have excellent diction.
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching!
Excellent film. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and for watching 😀
your the best, thank you for the bike chat.
Thank you for watching (again) and for your nice comment.
Thank you for your review. This new line is a small step to modernize the Brompton brand and I can't wait for your test ride. I am secretly hoping they also release a new model with more than 6 speeds.
Thank you so much for watching. It really is impressive! Can’t wait to ride it!
Can relate to the gears, but hope for a nobbyish tire first.
I bet you have sold out already!!! Keep em coming for 2022 xx
I think they were sold long before we had them arrive! But they are lovely!
Thank you for watching!
I have found a chain-catcher for my a few years old Lightweight, and it functions fine.
Hello, What a fantastic review of the P-line bike. I love the new 4 speed invention I think it give someone the opportunity to have more options when purchasing a brompton.
The four speed looks great! Can’t wait to see how it rides!
This will be a perfect companion for my heavily modified b75, stone grey ideally but I will change the mudguards to a grey colour coded carbon fibre mudguards…..thanks for sharing
Thank you so much for watching.
We think they will make a great friend for any Brompton!
Thank you! I like these, I think I'll pick one up from you later this spring, supply permitting! I'll phone the shop first.
Thanks for watching! They are proving very very popular!
That fringe keeps getting into your eyes 🙂
Lovely that P-line. Can't wait watching the test-ride review.
I know my fringe was driving me crazy! Hair cut day today!
We can’t wait for the test ride either!
Another excellent video and very charming
I can see someone buying one of these and placing a rack, a brooks saddle and a loaded up carrier bag to undo all this amazing redesign.
Great video.
Many thanks for watching!
We don’t think the current Brompton rack would fit…. So perhaps this might limit the chances of this!
Ahh but all this weight saving offsets the touring add ons.
Really good video! Many thanks.
Thank you for watching! And for the lovely comment!
I always love your review and many of the video guides. The "British" style explanation is what draws me to it. It is detailed, not too fast, and with very clear description of what is intended. After watching all your video, I start to upgrade the brompton myself and I find another dimension of joy doing it. No more paying people to change this and that. - THANK YOU!
Thank you for watching! And for your lovely comments. Hope you have fun!
Great info. Thanks.
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
Hope them new mudguards become available to buy alone to swap out my m6L they look a lot better and the roller is a welcome upgrade. Wouldn’t mind the easy wheels too
Haven't watched these for a bit but what fun!
Welcome back and thank you for watching!
@@brilliantbikes Road tests of the Ti bikes please.... perhaps a group test there's more than one I think, I'm sure Brompton will oblige, use some of that charm on them!
Absolutely brilliant bike
Thank you, and thank you for watching!
Awesome channel excellent descriptions looking at purchasing your first Brompton 👍🤩🚴 subscribed will be watching lots more of your vids
So glad it helps! If you have any questions, just let us know!
Thank you for watching!
@@brilliantbikes thinking of going for a c line explore as would like the 6 gears and versatility etc trying to decide if a p line really is worth the extra costs
@@n22pdf I find the gear range too low. I have a 2012 M6R with titanium parts (& 6 gears, 12% lower); live in New York USA.
Nice. Top tip for existing bike owners - use a telescopic seat post for same shopping trolley experience
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Great video as usual❗️lots of improvements. I especially like the new locking mechanism. Plus an all new bottom , couldn’t we all use one of those!
Maybe one day they’ll come out with what I and I’m sure lots of other people have been hoping for , a knobby tire version to make light off road excursions possible . I do it anyway but a wider tire would make it less sketchy 😁 It would be a real Explorer❗️ 🌎
the conti urbans do better than expected off-road, but then I've ridden kojaks off-road in summer (they fail totally in sandy surfaces). Standard marathons do the best all round off-road in my experience, but certain NCN trails in wrong conditions will be all sorts of wrong, whatever brommie tyre.
A Dutch Brompton shop sells special wheels for a wide version terrain Brompton.
This one actually solves a lot of old problems that lead people modding their Brompton, only downside I can think of is the dull color option
Ah but the two colours are all sparkly and rather cool!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the videos and I enjoyed all of them very much. I like to request whether you can make a comparison of the C-Line Vs P-Line or T-Line on the gear systems. Many thanks.
Many thanks for watching!
We are planning on making further P Line videos as soon as we get one to keep!
perfection-i want one!
We agree, they look lovely and so light!
Thank you for watching!
Incremental improvements. You should see some of the Brompton inspired bikes from PRC..wow. Full carbon.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. We agree they are well tested incremental improvements 😀
finally sombody do a review about the p line! very good review,👍👍👌👌when comes the video about test ride? best regards
Many thanks for watching! I know I can’t wait to ride one!
@@brilliantbikes goo ride what you waiting for😁🤩🤩 do you do a comapre video between P Line and C line Black Edition I don't know wich I should choose and on 19.01 come NEW BROMPTON T Line!!!!!! it will be hard to choose!!!! this will be my first Bromii🤩🥳🤩
I like the old "rack" - good job ;-)
You have provided one of the best detailed reviews on the innovations made by the P line. I cannot get it here. BUt it seems it is beautiful.
Thank you so much for your lovely comment! And for watching. Hopefully you will be able to get it soon!
thorough and helpful~!!
Thank you for watching!
Love the videos and bloopers! Would it help to have an iPad behind the camera with the script? Type the script on pages and put it on ‘presenter mode’… the text will auto scroll then, like a teleprompter… just a tip! Keep up the videos!
A challenge for any derailleur system on small-wheeled bikes is its proximity to the ground and the consequent assault from road dirt/grit/water. Please update us in due course how well the P Line 4-speed system fares in this regard 🙂
In context, on my 2018 M6L, it was the derailleur changer that very soon (within only a couple of winter weeks) gave me problems and a disappointment. However, this problem prompted me to come up with a home-brew solution - by making a bigger front mud flap. This reduces the amount of bad stuff getting to the critical parts of the mechanism. I cut a new flap from semi-stiff plastic such as one finds in the separators in some “ring-binder” folders. The plastic is a fair bit stiffer than the Brompton flap so it holds shape well, but not so stiff as to compromise the fold. My flap is 5cm longer than the standard flap which means it is 7cm clearance from the road rather than the yawning 12cm, and I find this is really effective at keeping things cleaner. This is something anyone could make up themselves. It also helps to keep my feet drier 🙂
A great vid btw, plenty of interesting and informative content, well produced! 👍
Thank you for watching. We will be monitoring the performance and will report back 😀
Old cylindrical washing up bottles were good for home made mudguard flaps!
Thank you !
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for all your great videos! The axle that the tensioner cog moves on seems vulnerable to contamination by road grit while riding. Wonder how well it will work.
After a 100 miles on my new P line I can confirm it doesn’t get much dirtier than the chain or any other sprocket. Just clean it along with the rest of the drivetrain during maintenance
@@NationX Thanks! That’s good to know,especially since that design will be used for many years.
Hate the mudguards on my M6R, prone to rubbing on the front wheel, wonder if the new mudguards carry over to old Bromptons
Very nice presentation! Thanks for that! Are there some more colours planned?
Many thanks for watching and for your lovely comment. Sorry we just don’t know about the planned future colours.
I’d love to know which parts are backwards compatible. Like the mudguards or roller wheels. Some of these changes look like genuine design improvements, not just weight saving measures.
Also, are the pedals unchanged? No mention here - unless I missed it!
Good question, we will do an update when we know more!
Thank you for watching!
The bearings on Brompton’s standard right-hand pedal are in my experience of poor durability. My solution has been to swap the right-hand pedal for something more durable. And given all the quirks of the Brompton anyway, any mis-match of pedal style/form is of little consequence really.
In contrast, the folding left-hand pedal seems to be well engineered with proper bearings! I am more than happy with the folding one🙂
Yes, I would like to know, also, especially the wheels and mudguards. Thank you for asking this and I look forward to learning if they will be. Btw, I have 2 of these pedals and love them, one in black for my flame lacquer and one in silver for my older raw lacquer: MKS Pedal SYLVAN TOURING NEXT Ezy Superior.
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Thank you! And thank you for watching!
Great video
Thank you for watching!
I love your videos. I hope for a review of the latest P Line Explore 12 Speed with test drive. It's easier now to choose a brompton because of your reviews. I'm from the Philippines. 😊
Many thanks for watching! The 12 speed is on the list!
How am I going explain to my partner that I want to buy this beauty when I have perfectly functioning Brompton at home already? It is a beautiful Brompton! Thank you for video 🙂
Happy New Year!
Hmmm it’s lighter so easier for the commute? It won’t strain your back?
We are lucky we have to try and keep the bike collection down…. But can find reasons for a new one…
Thank you for watching
Love to see how you’ll sell her that 😂🤣
@@brilliantbikes It would be nice if you can make a video about riding P line compare to C line. You do excellent job with your videos! However outtakes are the best 🙂!
Great video guys
Thanks so much for the kind comment
We are looking forwards to getting our own one soon - so we can test it against other Bromptons on the road
@@brilliantbikes I don’t suppose you’ve got any P Low bar coming into stock for sale have you?
Good type… very hansome 😊👍
We agree it’s a lovely bike, both technically and to look at!
Thank you for watching
HAPPY 2022!
I think this is a long awaited video :)
Is this "lower stop device" retro compatible with the traditional frame?
It seems that for this new stop to work properly in "shopping mode", an extended seatpost is a better choice to be able to push the bike when locked.
Happy New Year and thank you for watching.
We are pretty certain it would not be backward compatible.
I shall find a way! :)
Thank you for this very informative video. What material is the frame and stem made of, may I ask? (I might have missed it while watching.)
thanks nice video
I am not much of a biker but do enjoy watching your videos. They almost have an ASRM effect 😂 BTW, will there be a similar in-depth video about the T line? Thx!
Thank you so much! Fingers crossed we will do a T Line video in time!
Love the color
Many thanks for watching.
We agree the sparkly colour is great!
great video as always, one quick question: how different does the midnight black to the regular black in c line? thanks in advance
The paint is metallic, so has sparkly bits in it on the P line.
Thank you so much for watching!
Bromptons are obviously the bees knees of small folding bikes. (actually have seen some other uber cool bikes in this category), however, purchased a Reid branded bike from a bike shop of that name in Melbourne for $349 AUD. I'm upgrading a few parts, and funnily enough going to fit BMX forks, stem and bars to it, and a 10 speed drive train and lighter wheelset to it. Even stock, the bike is okay.
I put it in the back of my Toyota Echo hatchback , drive to where I want to go, then whip it out, unfold it and ride it.
I'm rapt with my purchase and can slowly upgrade, yet still enjoy it in it's current form. Cheers!
Thank you for watching!
I can’t wait for the T line
T line sounds amazing. probably astronomical in price
I purchased a P-line. Observations/changes made include:
1- The 3-roller design has poor rolling performance ( the 4-rollers rack is needed ).
2- The continental tires are the best option. Use Stans tire sealant for peace of mind, and 95 PSI for pedaling efficiency.
3- The four derailleur gears lack a lower gear that allows for fast speed. A front crank with a larger sprocket is needed.
4- The handlebar grips also need to be changed, too small for big hands.
Thank you for your videos.
3. You mean it lacks HIGHER gear
It would be nice to have more color options. Thank you for the perfect video, very well explained.
Thank you for your lovely comment. The colours do look lovely, but yes always nice to have different options.
my dream bike
We think it is a lovely Brompton in so many ways!
Double butted spokes are not "made of three bits of metal", they are a single length of metal that is formed into the butted shape.
Thanks
Thank you for watching!!
Wow that was so informative. I've wanted one for years but was always concerned about it handling my weight as I'm 6.2 and ate too many pies.
Many thanks for watching! Brompton recommend an upper weight limit of 110kg
Thanks for the review. Really interesting to see how light it is even with the mudguards! I wonder if Brompton are now finally using stainless steel parts though? My CHPT3 looks nice, until it gets wet...
really enjoying my p-line .... starting to get very competitive when accelerating away from lights when on London.
looking at titanium/carbon upgrades to reduce the weight
further.
They are such fun and quick away from the lights! The T Line crank set looks like a nice upgrade 😀
Excellent informative video. I feel that Brompton may be innovating TOO quickly. My amazing 2021 H6R now feels truly ancient. Then again, I am ancient, so we continue to be an excellent match. Most of my changes to the bike (Telescopic seat post, Lezine road drive pump hiding in the seat post, RAM mount for my phone, Brompton tool kit, inner tube hiding in the frame...) added more weight. I would probably do the same to the P. And so... I am perfectly happy, just feeling like my brilliant new Brompton, is now vintage... like me. Thanks as always!
Thank you so much for watching!
We also love our standard Brompton, not thinking of them as old, just our friends!
I too have the 2021 h6r in black. I am pretty ancient as well now that you mention it! 🍻 Cheers!
very thorough. I wonder if a model will be made with a 44-tooth crank to reduce the low gear ratio a bit, hopefully making pedaling a little bit easier. I’’ve seen a couple models that did this, but not recently.
Many thanks for watching and for the comment. It would be a simple change to lower the size of the chain ring.
Lovely review. May I know if the Brompton Rack Bag will fit on the roller-frame (rack) version of the P-Line? The new P-Line rack seems shorter than the C-Line ones.
Amazed to see this coming out after the C line was launched not too long ago. But anyway , tried to get a P line but sold out fast , don’t know where they have ended up but definitely not London as I haven’t seen one about . I also hope they add some colourful ones not just grey & black
Thank you for watching! We were impressed at how light they are and all the new changes- exciting 😀
All this re-design looks very promising for the future Brompton models. Maybeeee they will start implementing a few of these changes to the regular line. Having a lighter foldable bike never hurt anybody.
Fingers crossed. Thanks for watching!
Super informative video! I wonder why Brompton chose such drab colours for their new flagship superlight?
Thank you for watching. We are quite impressed with the colour under the light, it really sparkles, so makes it much less drab!
it seems that this is better in every way
Many thanks for watching. We agree it has lots of new areas! Kind of cool!
This is very useful. How are you finding the p line bike on low hills?
Thank you for the great detailed info on the P line! I like a 44t chainring. Can I install one on the P line, and will the chain catcher move down to accommodate it?
Many thanks for watching and for the question. Yes you can change the chainring, the chain catcher also moves.
Brilliant
Many thanks for watching! It’s a lovely bike!
Good video, thank you. I think the gear range is too low for general use, say taking a 50mile/80km trip in the country side in addition to urban use (depends on the city as well, or course). Cheers ! :)
Was wondering if you could make a video on how to set up the gears for the advance derailleur on the P line. Mine seems to be skipping quite a bit as i ride
At last a really new step up in design and tech, obviously as a result of user feedback, good. Now work to cut weight from the 'electric'. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Happy New Year! Thank you for watching!
Congratulations on yet another great video! This is one of my favourite channels on Bromptons. I still don't own one, but I will probably get a Brompton in the near future. I had my mind set on a Explore C-line, but the P-line, despite its higher price tag, seems a great improvement. The only major concern I have is the 4 gears, which gives us a shorter range than the 6-gear C-line options.
How much missing the top and low gears (as compared to a 6 gear C-type) affects speed and climbing?
Is there any alternative to increase the gear range simply by changing the sprockets?
Thank you very much.
Thanks so much for your kind comments
You are not alone - it "seems" like the gearing isn't so good for many people
We plan in approx 1 week to try and compare the 3 / 6 / 4 speeds on a ride - the difficulty we are having is what to measure / compare
We could have a set distance - and compare how may revolutions it takes in each gear on each bike (we could use a gear calculator for that)
We could do a drag race and see when we spin out on each bike
We could do a steep climb and see if we can make it on each bike
but there is so much subjectivity
What would you like to see measured / compared?
@@brilliantbikes , thank you very much for your reply. Perhaps a good test would be to try out the limits of the upper and lower gears. For example, to test the first gear on each model, perhaps the tester could start from a stationary position at the bottom of a climbing terrain and see how far or how quickly she/he could go in first gear. For the top gear, your suggestion of a race to see at which distance the tester spins out on each bike seems to be a good idea.
Anyway, this would be a very interesting video indeed!
A very good video!!!!! So is really a good bike??? A eternal bike???? Respect and love from Chile
Many thanks for watching. Yes we like the Brompton’s 😀
Your video was valuable to me only seconds in, when you held the bikes up so we could get a good look at the colors.
They are beautiful! I’ve seen some comments that people think the black and grey and boring! But they are all sparkly! So cool!
Thanks for watching!
Hi! Is the clicking sound of the new hub as loud as the internal gear hub? Thanks!
Wow . 8 spoke difference. Changes the way I see the bike and want to upgrade at once
It is a lovely bike. So many new things 😀.
Thank you for watching!
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I’m sensing another Brompton in my future.
We think they are lovely! Fun to ride as well!
Thank you for watching!
As soon as I heard you say “titanium” I knew I wouldn’t be able to afford it.
Ps, I hope they make the four speed available on their other lines.
Many thanks for watching! We can’t wait to ride it! Fingers crossed!
Nice
We agree it’s lovely!
Thanks for watching!